From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 12:11:05 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SS4hT-4OOVbs-01-BlQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:11:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SS4hT-4OOVbs-01-BlQ; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:04:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SS4hT-4OOVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:04:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SS4hS-0005xy-Dn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:04:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5E46EC8C80; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:04:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336561491; bh=5KnYSS4u1zVFasL0Itk90Q4gA9kGmg5T0iobVt4N 69o=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FLw2mhXKC7Ra7yGdQ6iXqny0SqmdG ltIxPsiTjm0y6siVQK/ZJc4UFkoRM0FI7YAbAC32dtUPPvtLWqvCWFQ3pEy/+1/wFb1 w6+5agb38Rs88aMx8x4beMh0RfepMBGsrYDJhutqmegAkN6bqPCsxFLngNXTAvrfRdS L9EPcT1g= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zOgWI-6zLyqZ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F8C5EC929C; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336561490; bh=5KnYSS4u1zVFasL0Itk90Q4gA9kGmg5T0iobVt4N 69o=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xOySLH1/ZSTkNhEXLUc6pseRm/QOo /roVO6sKS6L0tUAiiDY1IJC4kD1t7vH1HTLoViEPcEhE72VG5FnVpcMPG6Xd6obzWaH pD+lnoh5ojihq+5BbV8Fsuxn/t4ttyIVs7R0e5fsN5QOitiJnMoEJzDxi1gvrSMjKqT VZihy8ic= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2012 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53790EC9222 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Kv6UkvtrAG2 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from auth.b.painless.aa.net.uk (auth.b.painless.aa.net.uk [90.155.4.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEB68EC929C for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by b.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SS4h9-0006B2-Dc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 12:04:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Opro - Request for new feature To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gavin Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 12:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@dentrassis.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I'm posting here to suggest a new feature to be added to Ovation Pro, and I hope that there may be some others on this list that will think it enough of a good idea to convince David into implementing it. [having said that, I bet no one even comments!] I'd like to have the ability to actually print the proxy images out to the printer instead of the full sized image. I know that may sound like a silly, backwards approach to what proxy images are intended for, but I often work on large, graphic heavy, books that are intended for commercial litho printing, with a lot of large 300dpi images at 300+ dpi. Printing these images, especially to a PostScript printer can take a very long time. Being able to just print the lower resolution proxy images would enable a much quicker proofing option. -- Gavin To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 12:26:05 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SS51c-0XGknw-03-BRH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 12:26:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SS51c-0XGknw-03-BRH; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SS51c-0XGknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:25:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SS51Y-0007iA-I3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:25:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4805DEC940F; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336562738; bh=5+Ssq6mRcjw1U1x1yQnx5XmI2Dnz+JFIkNBYJMY4 vt0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ZmiKuHWeRdOjj63iD8DEB9wkueDSD3yDJL8QRiS2O6hCqnQJnc HiFhjNCPrBfGURAOy3XXSfgiY7sC1R2q2w+5tX1+VL7iJxKf/SS73Wt5sydM/izjv7m fuku4IOxGfkSGhzSB58r3tWapMKkS77oM9g5g+J7dGnWmF0aCosGZQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hsi+PZhU0Vbv; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F52EEC8FD8; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336562737; bh=5+Ssq6mRcjw1U1x1yQnx5XmI2Dnz+JFIkNBYJMY4 vt0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Mwm3p+Dd25g1UVizrnX4oJchColjCOjZsizNWVNE3Ti6r2XtN9 acohYPrd7gGgCmIH8XcnBna3AxGN8X3+Wokjcapoejjx/7yM6HXFYG+1a6y7QYWOJbB YGpEppr333lFcY/0YQyU4i4UnPTTdCgTmgnF7bELXSqkJRK8OWSJFs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2012 07:25:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAB8AEC9569 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5kA-WEWKh06 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2225EC93E7 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SS51G-0001Kz-ka for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:25:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:58 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Gavin Crawford writes >I'd like to have the ability to actually print the proxy images out to >the printer instead of the full sized image. Yes, why not. As it stands, you can turn off printing of pictures, and there is the thing that if you print EPS on a non-PS printer it will print the low res preview. Some days I sit watching my PostScript printer and think how much faster Laser Direct was. Then again I think how long from typing *wordwise to entering text and how long to get into todays text editor. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 14:11:06 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SS6ej-240GPo-03-9oA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 14:11:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SS6ej-240GPo-03-9oA; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:10:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SS6ej-240GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:10:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SS6ee-0002Xb-EX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:10:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53226EC9C14; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:10:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336569006; bh=Cq4KuSwyXOSphMvjYuURsKa1PB8ZDA46d/d7wEui hVQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=s3W0I0 zbNlBNPBO5/YMKNupdmV4dm6I5Ma7KamuGhjAiRXy3PbTsD3DapgFTnZ8wDCv3A72pw hXQ2seBjINCFzD+e23YFh266V3y7tMDa2lnvLlPGItA4BCyo6n8RJioDuQMHbZPXRSd kyt4Cg+3aa/L1926wmVvaBJcczkiW9Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dHcgohzbq0Ou; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E26B5EC7746; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:09:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336569005; bh=Cq4KuSwyXOSphMvjYuURsKa1PB8ZDA46d/d7wEui hVQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ldKYRO s6F+cILDmJWgaBkAo8KSDcXWc6//WfEYbBJA/NgQOi5KGWIZVV3+LJorQc4Lw3Hl4Rr NBaRrNyX26Odrs3ibswXHwWXzcm9BhnsD7wePxLTbLJ09B3z2AvB1PDASVfMt20tdzd O4aSzg/0hIN/DQQPcY33/cYWRrBwyQU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2012 09:09:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 914E0EC992F for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:09:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id htLhkoediThK for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89FA7EC7746 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews21.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.187]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 9 May 2012 15:09:46 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews21.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 9 May 2012 15:09:46 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 9 May 2012 15:09:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 15:09:42 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature Message-ID: <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2012 13:09:45.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[01805240:01CD2DE5] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Some days I sit watching my PostScript printer and think how much faster > Laser Direct was. Actually, since using the new PostScript 3 driver, I'm often surprised how much faster it prints than any previous printer I had, including the Laser Direct, even if the document comprises numerous large JPEG's. Perhaps, it also depends on what printer is used. Mine is a Xerox Phaser 8550. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 14:41:07 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SS74S-2Mh000-03-9OR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 14:41:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SS74S-2Mh000-03-9OR; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:36:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SS74S-2Mh000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:36:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SS74Q-0006LR-SK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:36:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 972D9EC8300; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:36:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336570605; bh=oFowwMcUrgmND9OsABm2gNzSzrNorWnNWNUFmOXE GhU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cAihWOWhhXsykXDoXJHq/4vUkyP8f2MA1reTZzb0dSm8iOSPTZ lWzDCtUZMS7lTkotS/DDyNJwq2XxYoU/HD+oMAB+Vc/926ywLZ0E61tShrraR8f8msU GhQotIbk1duga2OR/lZzH97zv/U5CyRnrixxTFJKFNC6KKc4cRk+fo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90ccwBHs78xQ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59BFEEC7C26; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336570604; bh=oFowwMcUrgmND9OsABm2gNzSzrNorWnNWNUFmOXE GhU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TnzzIzP4w09MX4qefG4+Ts4kGjdaIvXIV08zeOs5MsH9YD5CL+ gbt6mWXrF8A0R1Gv4TipuS3FOojDSTcUFBA9WMQAVo7gVy8eSHoci4r70QzYAb7Lc/d RBeXwSelz3WylasxV854AG5ruStN3F4MEzL+ReFfs4YyQ4wPAqr0dI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2012 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 371AD233E33 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X-ezBOB7G3bP for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C29D3EC8219 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SS74A-0002nC-oe for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 13:36:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 14:35:55 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature References: <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >Actually, since using the new PostScript 3 driver, I'm often surprised how >much faster it prints than any previous printer I had, including the Laser >Direct, even if the document comprises numerous large JPEG's. >Perhaps, it also depends on what printer is used. Mine is a Xerox Phaser >8550. All hail the PS level 3 driver. Firstly I don't have a level 3 printer and secondly I'm on Windows. My printer is not that old, maybe 10 years and when I was doing the PS stuff for Ovation Pro for Windows (XP), I never saw a level 3 driver. That is the usual thing with Windows, if you wait long enough, and if you buy the latest kit you can get the equivalent performance of a 25 year old computer. From MS DOS days to now, I'd say processing speeds have gone up by a 1000, and yet the time to boot a PC has remained constant or increased. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 20:40:09 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SSCbj-1psGPo-03-CNg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 20:40:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SSCbj-1psGPo-03-CNg; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SSCbj-1psGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SSCbh-0005M5-Ry for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF9B1ECA182; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:31:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336591886; bh=sO55LHeYk73D2Cn32md7AIze3Wpf7UN5rzDl5IAq Z9M=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=W8fVxgXVx/u9+jzGJ8ifdmBcn+FIdI6XKlEQHA6P7zLeDZzaYT hNjGl9iKFEjnldckh1uJLxsAihSrvMMg18HBElZV18L+LNeB2rTdaNGIJwk3y9ockDX uBnk1c2lBkJLshFUjJqL3wvrB/dy9gErDvb2WZETSDykNvEzDc6b9Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id La4KavFnAigF; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA44DECA0BC; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336591886; bh=sO55LHeYk73D2Cn32md7AIze3Wpf7UN5rzDl5IAq Z9M=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=W8fVxgXVx/u9+jzGJ8ifdmBcn+FIdI6XKlEQHA6P7zLeDZzaYT hNjGl9iKFEjnldckh1uJLxsAihSrvMMg18HBElZV18L+LNeB2rTdaNGIJwk3y9ockDX uBnk1c2lBkJLshFUjJqL3wvrB/dy9gErDvb2WZETSDykNvEzDc6b9Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2012 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FA74ECA0C2 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a0xg0od8S+3q for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b.c.painless.aa.net.uk (b.c.painless.aa.net.uk [81.187.30.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BBA0ECA0BC for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 15:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SSCbP-0001jG-JQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2012 20:31:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gavin Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 20:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1bc04e8d52.Dentrassis@mail> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@dentrassis.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Gavin Crawford > writes >>I'd like to have the ability to actually print the proxy images out to >>the printer instead of the full sized image. > Yes, why not. As it stands, you can turn off printing of pictures, and > there is the thing that if you print EPS on a non-PS printer it will > print the low res preview. I often have embedded ArtWork images that I want to appear on the printed page, but don't want to wait ages for a large A4 JPEG image to be rendered by the rather slow printer, so turning off all pictures doesn't always help, and equally to going through a whole range of pages to hide certain pictures can sometimes take almost as long as waiting for the printer. The PostScript print files of the last book (which was 400 pages) was over 2.8Gb across 26 separate files. Trying to print a proof copy on a domestic desktop PostScript printer took rather a long time. Having the option to print the lower res proxy images would be really useful. -- Gavin To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 23:10:08 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SSEv4-06IVbs-06-A4L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 23:10:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SSEv4-06IVbs-06-A4L; Wed, 09 May 2012 21:59:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SSEv4-06IVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 21:59:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SSEv2-0000Fb-1q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2012 21:59:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 461A8EC9C6E; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336600774; bh=VNIdYXCHqlvCid+3DTER2Ah0BmvueW8+IjvC1lNK Krw=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ctnScgb2OB0CyQHZwVCMzzW11OM9R /KDrUNWRYXxUP/cyZsdmoivShMbCISclySj5m/HvTMUvW1a9/kJWZQZtkSd0oLgD2X9 2khXr2PUqg5F27znFZcOiEEgpVXrK2s2HMm7kt4dgz0lsBDyRbTTTH+mPjYYnIVtqr6 bwYoC9hU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6SrDg8XisQL; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F389BEC8D19; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1336600773; bh=VNIdYXCHqlvCid+3DTER2Ah0BmvueW8+IjvC1lNK Krw=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Vh7UEFa8Kh+9NBDS+10hrF7xeze4P HsiNKgfWEnYes+LS6g3bE+C2Ex/5juJEWpiYroLznyiNT1dX2m1h/z00jT+7/3qA9Ms Qc0XE293nccZZLhg2IGLRC0lJDJQgLpe6nGDK3vUg7UaQXYf7z3DeaHoQo+/iKB17et iH9u+Ivs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2012 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7299EC9BAA for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id se9vsVzKb6OW for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 785C4EC8D19 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q49LxHlJ019780 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from 82.38.168.157 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bw73) by email.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 22:55:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49519.82.38.168.157.1336600551.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:55:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature From: "Richard Watkinson" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 1242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rwatki@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 9 May, 2012 12:23 pm, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message , Gavin Crawford > writes >>I'd like to have the ability to actually print the proxy images out to >>the printer instead of the full sized image. > > Yes, why not. As it stands, you can turn off printing of pictures, and > there is the thing that if you print EPS on a non-PS printer it will > print the low res preview. > > Some days I sit watching my PostScript printer and think how much faste= r > Laser Direct was. Then again I think how long from typing *wordwise to > entering text and how long to get into todays text editor. > > -- > David Pilling Your memory fails you... *W. was enough!! Now what was it for Wordwise+ --=20 Richard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 14 17:13:17 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1STxgW-0sSVbs-07-E7b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:13:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1STxgW-0sSVbs-07-E7b; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1STxgW-0sSVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1STxgV-0002ux-NH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8751ECAB0E; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337011181; bh=6dH0hm/Tb9Vp2F5edc3QwfmNUsLfPXklRYlHT5Su QoA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=w5EKzA xggRB0X3Mwy1BsHKYKoZigCTwriFXgssf+O7OmSlpH4cChA+msPIOw7MVOBhO/QLFuP aUBn1yVXsyOS+K0equLcftx6yr9UPNgFFyVdrhVRvwhPZ4p0hIsd+A+MF509RIvLQCI fCWYvFpxHHpnl/XQQ7d+txIl/LLh9jU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id URNJdmqnuOta; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AADCBECAA5E; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337011181; bh=6dH0hm/Tb9Vp2F5edc3QwfmNUsLfPXklRYlHT5Su QoA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=w5EKzA xggRB0X3Mwy1BsHKYKoZigCTwriFXgssf+O7OmSlpH4cChA+msPIOw7MVOBhO/QLFuP aUBn1yVXsyOS+K0equLcftx6yr9UPNgFFyVdrhVRvwhPZ4p0hIsd+A+MF509RIvLQCI fCWYvFpxHHpnl/XQQ7d+txIl/LLh9jU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7667CECAAE2 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sAbt+gXN+G+I for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04333ECA929 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [87.115.51.75] (helo=lab.4QD) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STxgE-00016l-Ra for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Richard Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:40:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature Message-ID: <528fccd18bLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl> References: <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Mine is a Xerox Phaser 8550. Which is hugely faster printing pamphlets from a RISC PC! We scrapped a Samsung to upgrade. -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 14 17:13:17 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1STxgc-0vTVbs-04-E7V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 17:13:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1STxgc-0vTVbs-04-E7V; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1STxgc-0vTVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1STxgX-0000Ne-Cn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2012 15:59:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF47FECAB25; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337011182; bh=ZCOLFzcLIjRs4rLYfY+pccfQQDzND0tvntiXOl1V tJo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=qYHIxV bqFliDQ8CuLY73P9BFAgfq7PNRh3UO3ogZ4zM4WdgCY7fZvWo4Q0SfzHSm0zYlBxPw6 ypQsrz6O90Zr/JcJ86EpbWFCFEodoDYov0zyGuBVZ5tNaZPETIWXm9ZGOjNL8cAWkDD gNBRyPUGWD2ZoTWyfrqofBiQABj9YHk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQCWch4bg7Yt; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA754ECA929; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337011181; bh=ZCOLFzcLIjRs4rLYfY+pccfQQDzND0tvntiXOl1V tJo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=UOxLPr 36p3tWr7QxIz4bQZcB/GNg44ok4aB3BiYvg+VS6sgtfH2b3zrETZsEdge23UrbWpXvv NiCzIduVXh978Eq0vIw4rfGK+39EEreGA6poxiQODY/eV6w+PjE6TU/AmWRKzxDMAKR VAo12gXgSkJga+mlonrNyayUp8i3Whw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B5F1ECAB11 for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vNtzkUDAiA5i for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1006AECAA5E for ; Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [87.115.51.75] (helo=lab.4QD) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1STxgE-00016l-3A for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 14 May 2012 16:59:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Richard Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:39:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature Message-ID: <528fccae05Lists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <528d2bd497Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > From MS DOS days to now, I'd say processing speeds have gone up by a > 1000, and yet the time to boot a PC has remained constant or increased. which is clarly quite deliberate - to make you buy the latest hardware - which is tied into a contract with M$oft! -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 18 23:12:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVV0F-2CuVbs-06-CZY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 23:12:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVV0F-2CuVbs-06-CZY; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:46:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVV0F-2CuVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:46:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVV0E-0007H7-L2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 May 2012 21:46:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76E6CECB725; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337377585; bh=Fj2IXYHcy8trDSK17Ou1GEVsK8EO3u2HpK/EVTVY TP8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=OavhJ0EzvqZA6an4Y4+bEZj+qKzwe 9g6vSRTUP1FSJEH3jSJMKySLtqAJrENN2Np4wVHDtY+pQsbdDsL1SIwIgNOXBxVRucf sp2lmvtVr927+5blQ6YSIBxt1EbU2GOEJNzwtbxbUxC4wEIGKAFY1F0CXSku+NUHP09 /JyCRuTk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4vY2u7LWtTQo; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39F4AECAA7F; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337377584; bh=Fj2IXYHcy8trDSK17Ou1GEVsK8EO3u2HpK/EVTVY TP8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=s5UKSK1H4tn10bftAG12GXxzQna85 tgG9Ym/kJPDh81j8YWCDsU2XThnWlO0ANVaQv+JS60noj6T4VHoWRCRn3amdHUdxibB bU5SwxPGUiNEf48YyZuNCEwVnQB0y2tY+TvTAna9G1z25IC0kraQK6vwjG1VWWeQmz9 ZPdsGvwY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7BBDECB706 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dur2bdQjiNJ for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 917BCECAA7F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 17:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews13.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.180]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 May 2012 23:46:09 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews13.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Fri, 18 May 2012 23:46:09 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Fri, 18 May 2012 23:46:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:46:06 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing lots of fonts Message-ID: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2012 21:46:09.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[A29ECBA0:01CD353F] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dear all, Today, I finished creating a document that shows all of the serious serif fonts that I collected over the years. Bolds and italics included, the document now counts 243 different fonts and weights. However, that's where it stops, because printing the document seems to be impossible. Whatever I try (printing directly to my postscript printer, printing in the background, printing through PrintSpool, printing to the PDF printer driver), the print window doesn't even come up with the smallest fraction of the green bar, while the hourglass continues to run for hours, literally. Alt-Break does nothing. The only way to retrieve control is a complete reset. Although scrolling through the document goes rather smoothly, I wonder whether there's actually a limit to the number of fonts that OvationPro can handle when it comes to printing? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers (OvationPro 2.77s, RISC OS 5.18) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 12:05:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVVme-3LN000-01-Bn9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:05:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVVme-3LN000-01-Bn9; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:36:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVVme-3LN000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:36:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVVmb-0006N5-00 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:36:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0985CECA372; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337380584; bh=g3m7Ma3aJpjxjgotvmU3lOlHdZWcWjJiFw4z+/b6 RYM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=R8aiETS8v4jlmngqqVasijPos4yMCMILZzo5ONWwGC1O0XgjR1 TjIg5wRInpNXHXKoBoxnLkQywaRjJQm7NXhQiPn4ZHigSg/z9DB1/lqdAl8UkjL9es9 vgWl4kgb+39w0GFpO5Ey7+xckhWtaI2fL8B4N8lbHgV3BgQIYuQRxA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2VeUWE0uA+LU; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFF0BECA132; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337380583; bh=g3m7Ma3aJpjxjgotvmU3lOlHdZWcWjJiFw4z+/b6 RYM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EXKRjFiO+G4XFW5T4LWSk1xzZEdmjngX14bMcoMUAivWxC6Azv YkP39OCvVTFdCzvLiZIEcQf9iFnQUOsjqMw62gRnOYz6se+S4DsQgK4tJhTUTYEKFl3 EjeUS4mWYH41gLkTFgEtYHd+vF3kCM97laCt6hI3J/IbFgG9ouuu8A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F503ECA143 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6YqG8TgD4czn for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00695ECA132 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 18:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SVVmK-0001ge-ey for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 May 2012 22:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:35:59 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts References: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers >However, that's where it stops, because printing the document seems to be >impossible. Whatever I try (printing directly to my postscript printer, >printing in the background, printing through PrintSpool, printing to the >PDF printer driver) Is PostScript printing a common factor here - how about using Sprinter (free from my web site) which is a bitmap driver. With PS there is the problem of caching the fonts to the PS output file. >whether there's actually a limit to the number of fonts that OvationPro can >handle when it comes to printing? I have dim memories of complex things going on with fonts whilst printing. I'm sure there must be some limit like 255 fonts in one line of text. Can you try some things, for example if you have these fonts spread over many pages, what happens if you try to print just some of the pages. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 12:06:02 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVdhv-1D8000-07-COO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:06:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVdhv-1D8000-07-COO; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:04:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVdhv-1D8000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:04:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVdhr-0006ND-1o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:04:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 766B7ECA9CE; 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Sat, 19 May 2012 03:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C633ECA9B7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 03:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70600228DA; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:03:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from host81-129-48-244.range81-129.btcentralplus.com (HELO [192.168.1.64]) (81.129.48.244) (smtp-auth username postmaster%pop3.dentrassis.com, mechanism plain) by outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:03:43 +0100 References: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Gav Crawford Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 08:03:41 +0100 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4fb745cf.9eb9-10ef-1 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: postmaster@pop3.dentrassis.com X-archive-position: 1246 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@dentrassis.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 18 May 2012, at 10:46 PM, Paul Sprangers wrote: >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > Today, I finished creating a document that shows all of the serious serif > fonts that I collected over the years. Bolds and italics included, the > document now counts 243 different fonts and weights. >=20 > However, that's where it stops, because printing the document seems to be > impossible. Whatever I try (printing directly to my postscript printer, > printing in the background, printing through PrintSpool, printing to the > PDF printer driver), the print window doesn't even come up with the > smallest fraction of the green bar, while the hourglass continues to run > for hours, literally. >=20 > Alt-Break does nothing. The only way to retrieve control is a complete > reset. >=20 > Although scrolling through the document goes rather smoothly, I wonder > whether there's actually a limit to the number of fonts that OvationPro ca= n > handle when it comes to printing?=20 The problem could also be down to one particular font being corrupt, and cau= sing the font manager to lock up. I've had this sort of problem in the dista= nt past. I'm not sure of the best way to narrow this down to find the culprit. I do a= s David suggests and spread the number of fonts over many pages, with only a= few on each page and the print each page separately. I'd go for the divide t= echnique where you split in half each time, then the half that had the probl= em is halved again until the it is narrowed down to the troublesome font. The one thing I can't remember, and hopefully David can clarify, is if when p= rinting to PostScript does OPro send all the fonts in the document to the Po= stSctipt stream or only those being used on the actual pages to be printed. I= f it sends all, at the start of the printing process then the corrupt font c= ould still cause problems unless it is removed from the document. But before doing all that, I'd suggest printing as before but set the printe= r driver to print to a file. After you reset everything view the file in a t= ext editor and see if you can determine where the process got up to. You may= see a clear obvious font definition that has only partially been outputted,= which may help to narrow down the problem. I'd also recommend downloading Ghostscript and Gview to save on using lots o= f paper. Also printing to file is often much quicker than waiting for a real= PS printer to process a page. --=20 Gavin To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 12:06:03 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVep4-4Jp000-05-BHF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:06:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVep4-4Jp000-05-BHF; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:15:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVep4-4Jp000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:15:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVeow-0003PP-Tj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 08:15:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30052ECAE69; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337415325; bh=lKdC0AOPeXnkd7ba0Hk6pDMz9OzP/4uUnCdSytnu DTk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=KRTqkaBDinOwHoQAoUtJ0sf7dyTUHRU3XKJOsB04 1G/OvlZ1sZOMzL1EfincsXIw29OiP0Gl8vXPK93k91tTWCLVg23fWJFpTwQzYcLAEnR /OOwwkoPeko2o50qTVS7bI3rtLSQtmFeBwTnCaMeIRlcG07tFK5jeXCsDZcstFRI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2+1iohtaM0aq; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BCB3ECAC34; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337415324; bh=lKdC0AOPeXnkd7ba0Hk6pDMz9OzP/4uUnCdSytnu DTk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=qRTqaa7wkHaarwn8wbZc6bF9F9wLqsGI3l/5WyWD rPxbWFvcW42JNrWL1fXqOZ2vLJcktLdV9kDtIH680WlmkNDTlxBCR8PkDbXzgvOaoxT a6urx8VtkFlH9t6cpUCN0As4vtuRMwMNqbe3C5vdaKFdjBxlVnFa5pVQxDIjD30A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53E61ECAD76 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wwXNP6lS3lrS for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3B60ECAC34 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 04:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.192]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 19 May 2012 10:15:10 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews26.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 19 May 2012 10:15:09 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 19 May 2012 10:15:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:15:06 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts Message-ID: <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2012 08:15:08.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[81529820:01CD3597] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear David and Gavin, Thank you for your suggestions. Some testing revealed that it is a corrupted font indeed. SPrinter was able to generate all the pages, including the one with the corrupted font. Printing postscript to a file, however, froze the machine= . Examining that file revealed that things went wrong at the definition of the font Concorde.Bold. Its large data block suddenly changes in an infinite number of =FF's and 0's. After having removed the page with that font, printing went smoothly again. So, although this discussion is no longer related to OvationPro, I still would like to know what sort of corruption this is about. The font displa= ys nicely on screen, and loading it in any font editor (including FontFiend) doesn't reveal anything special. Moreover, it's a nice font that I actual= ly don't want to delete. Is there a way to clean or repair a font, without knowing what is wrong with it in the first place, other than that it won'= t print to a postscript printer? 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Sat, 19 May 2012 05:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75EE2ECB79C for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 05:18:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1337419124; bh=9tSVO4yxkfwT72snpP7TRPxjVqLv1+zZOg8yyF/rZPc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mfMO41oBc3O/v3eSwhYyz4VKsA7tMxUBJXef0odb823e6lvjzGQpMpywC5yvXoMGS RAF0Zx8dAMYuSRM44ELjEfBM/qQ0OH0jSfK5ge734+GGN6U+kpPgQDMQc0gTGJO9Wd nFMpXM1AMZvpjZbg3eC/HE0awoEPa2u99X30xfSs= Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-176-127.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.176.127]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4J9IhDl021640 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:18:44 +0200 X-Scarlet: d=1337419124 c=83.134.176.127 Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 09:40:15 GMT From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts Message-ID: References: <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.21) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20002; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.1-exp at eir X-Virus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> you wrote: > So, although this discussion is no longer related to OvationPro, I still > would like to know what sort of corruption this is about. The font displays > nicely on screen, and loading it in any font editor (including FontFiend) > doesn't reveal anything special. Moreover, it's a nice font that I actually > don't want to delete. Is there a way to clean or repair a font, without > knowing what is wrong with it in the first place, other than that it won't > print to a postscript printer? Most probably there is something corrupt/very odd with it which the FontManager happily ignores (or just don't need that information), while the PS driver falls over because it converts the complete RO font into a PS one. I don't mind having a closer look at it if you could send me a copy. No promises whether it can be fixed. Any idea where you got this font ? Also, which PS printer driver did you use, the standard RISC OS one, or the PostScript3 printer driver ? John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 12:06:05 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVgSi-2R8GPo-08-9db.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:06:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVgSi-2R8GPo-08-9db; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:00:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVgSi-2R8GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:00:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVgSg-000542-Hi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 10:00:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB4C7ECB7D0; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337421632; bh=ib7sN0szchIsUrHLn2KEYiPqo5AYToCwVsdhX739 CmQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=kJ1AqL IEWGXqtytYd/k7G/iB1PtmyFq7IOSATMhb/F1ApglHjBoVSYJC+c3R8QDhwddqsYbdR YSBKBoHzx8IXHg7GeVAPUwyvB9jNt1biWXp9DDS5iDtyqouUiRBxWoLJYIbuOUzDxmM UWK+oGWVLCiTl7lO3duegmYaWHCxmbc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2LtC0ePOJajG; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72182ECB7C3; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337421632; bh=ib7sN0szchIsUrHLn2KEYiPqo5AYToCwVsdhX739 CmQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=kJ1AqL IEWGXqtytYd/k7G/iB1PtmyFq7IOSATMhb/F1ApglHjBoVSYJC+c3R8QDhwddqsYbdR YSBKBoHzx8IXHg7GeVAPUwyvB9jNt1biWXp9DDS5iDtyqouUiRBxWoLJYIbuOUzDxmM UWK+oGWVLCiTl7lO3duegmYaWHCxmbc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 349C6ECB7C6 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M4nxFCfqzPN7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3145ECB7C3 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 06:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews21.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.187]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 19 May 2012 12:00:17 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.19]) by cpsps-ews21.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 19 May 2012 12:00:17 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 19 May 2012 12:00:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:00:14 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts Message-ID: <529240d7f9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2012 10:00:17.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[31724CB0:01CD35A6] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , John Tytgat wrote: > I don't mind having a closer look at it if you could send me a copy. > No promises whether it can be fixed. Sent by private mail. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 12:35:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVhpj-2JRVbs-04-Gn6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:35:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVhpj-2JRVbs-04-Gn6; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:28:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVhpj-2JRVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:28:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVhpe-00059D-UG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:28:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 161BFECB7F0; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337426901; bh=+CS33C1GBvHw2RKFJUiqX2NxDWOvrCkGTyHyqvv6 kfc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YFGP884SyId5jmjRQnPS57d2uQCffDnHS8km3YeGcU8uZbZUrO gkFU/253hRVY+7OWhp2q13mT61zG0aEm3QUmyrGLk6qKwstMyCaaDKEAVQwG7iltWoa be9MrqcUc0sPu79yJrvuCEH5k/8hZ6NUkN2B3TaSjR5PlLLLWCEwmk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18u9Ws8AmcWd; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91D96ECA995; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337426900; bh=+CS33C1GBvHw2RKFJUiqX2NxDWOvrCkGTyHyqvv6 kfc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tcGQoRh87AfmEjiusCpVN/hMdkfr2tc/QKFlXye8NzWpcASlnW MXrpqNHsOee5K6xFRoiROcuLrtQitfmNYFDldX/d7WvFu1jlMe5lX9wWFoovDQUCJqp Adb3D6hiUR4rhqcCfdig699045Zb4KyNIgJxLpozBcTmBnBpZ0dhdY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 574F3ECB632 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iu01Ij4yQ7FI for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB9B1ECA995 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SVhpN-0000mp-b8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:28:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:27:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro - Request for new feature References: <1bc04e8d52.Dentrassis@mail> In-Reply-To: <1bc04e8d52.Dentrassis@mail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <1bc04e8d52.Dentrassis@mail>, Gavin Crawford writes >domestic desktop PostScript printer took rather a long time. Having >the option to print the lower res proxy images would be really useful. I've added this feature - but... I've done it on the Windows version. http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Version of the 18th. May, has a new button 'proxies' on the extended print dialogue, when ticked proxies are used for printing. If that's OK, I'll add it to the RISC OS version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 12:35:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVhvd-1b6GPo-03-GhC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 12:35:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVhvd-1b6GPo-03-GhC; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:34:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVhvd-1b6GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:34:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVhvY-0005Cu-0f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:34:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85DE2ECB882; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337427266; bh=U5vqlCnG9S+UKO4qS5dWM38gGs2L+naGLIYmL6Xp A6U=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Wa/8/bMvhfAFeYOTzkFc3Izzu5uUTtn/1jyj1dFG2WRXn+KymC jvyyGNmzmBEayn8Y64T5aE+dlDCA9jF6HYvoDWjSr2VPsiIHyAZ1x/5eQ40XvXpoc8I J4RhN6j0aNG/9s3zk6CoNZOyb6QTZ/0FCK+Y5zgmR4hG/6n6WlT35M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zWDTNp6nE88R; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C85ECB88F; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337427265; bh=U5vqlCnG9S+UKO4qS5dWM38gGs2L+naGLIYmL6Xp A6U=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=MCHxzH8aOSmBc/S671fRKqts9jOJd/FECgxjfU/uYZHt7YddqZ e/aq5CScr28rPJESNqcjTOzQhUbEqe2qIjpK8jnRdn1/0ZVMjwqhBrhDbFAOfraTHUN ef90zf4fJXuDfPD56+lmTo9VFISwYPGN/CtEW8iMEq+RPa+4fhGPxk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F42EECB882 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ezt2IFp3322B for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C704AECB878 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SVhvG-0003eG-kk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 19 May 2012 11:34:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:32:43 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts References: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Gav Crawford writes >The one thing I can't remember, and hopefully David can clarify, is if >when printing to PostScript does OPro send all the fonts in the >document to the PostSctipt stream or only those being used on the >actual pages to be printed. I think it was once the case that all fonts in the document were sent to the printer, that was not popular and later versions scan for fonts actually used. Interesting to hear how things turned out, and Paul had a good idea looking at the PS output file to see where it had got to. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 14:20:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVjXQ-1SdGPo-07-F5P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 14:20:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVjXQ-1SdGPo-07-F5P; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:17:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVjXQ-1SdGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:17:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVjXN-0007nF-1i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 13:17:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EFE9ECB022; 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Sat, 19 May 2012 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E24E8ECADD7 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 09:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews13.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.180]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 19 May 2012 15:17:18 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.20]) by cpsps-ews13.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sat, 19 May 2012 15:17:19 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sat, 19 May 2012 15:17:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 15:17:15 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts Message-ID: <529252e1a2Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2012 13:17:18.0703 (UTC) FILETIME=[B77D87F0:01CD35C1] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The one thing I can't remember, and hopefully David can clarify, is if > >when printing to PostScript does OPro send all the fonts in the > >document to the PostSctipt stream or only those being used on the > >actual pages to be printed. > I think it was once the case that all fonts in the document were sent to > the printer, that was not popular and later versions scan for fonts > actually used. When I print the first page only, which has one single word ("Serifs") in one single font (Bembo), the resulting postscript file still contains the definitions of 200+ fonts, making a file of nearly 17 Mbyte. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 19 22:05:05 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SVqmt-3z8000-06-GMS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 22:05:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SVqmt-3z8000-06-GMS; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:02:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SVqmt-3z8000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:02:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SVqmr-0002pH-Vt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:02:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52381ECA957; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:02:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337461325; bh=+9ZXFxVR9eIl0F60lls7rErQINU8At/raq93CwEY 3E8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=gd5ZNoGtLhTJSkW+8hzgIUTothfCP+F6WH/XyjA2GBgHtELz9A DoRYzq6AVKJdW/n3S3z/XNTvEFrDvhwbrgsQUFppi8tLdZgqlHaX6lX7zUvoLXM/f1N /DVBkcg8ogr4PkW2I/RaqzIOEC84kZzWSoJaB+Q2y64r1E/Zvs4OmE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ogcvT5bYn8cl; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D602ECA8D3; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337461324; bh=+9ZXFxVR9eIl0F60lls7rErQINU8At/raq93CwEY 3E8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LZTj/yMueN1WcuV8VVCJyzGbRoYscvVKhMIKfkKCtgR2sShlrG fBUQ+gmy8EOrwhSOlK18R0Nr1/OUXU00FpW5qq+OQRo58fn4GNdhTdjyJV+9aORe5OS 1vwQqscHGD0azPKL18E+ntkSf6RovIpZ1AxBuhkIB7HLXUiryelZe0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 19 May 2012 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E91ABECA8D6 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qAMc2efyyBVp for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56546ECA8D3 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 17:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SVqma-0006UR-at for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 19 May 2012 21:01:48 +0000 Message-ID: <420bLdE1nAuPFwT3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:00:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts References: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> <529252e1a2Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <529252e1a2Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <529252e1a2Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >> I think it was once the case that all fonts in the document were sent to >> the printer, that was not popular and later versions scan for fonts >> actually used. >When I print the first page only, which has one single word ("Serifs") in >one single font (Bembo), the resulting postscript file still contains the >definitions of 200+ fonts, making a file of nearly 17 Mbyte. OK, on Windows it does... There's a note in the code explaining to me that although the code is complex, the complexity is in aid of finding embedded frames, whilst actually caching the fonts is done in the crude way (all fonts used in the document). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 20 14:43:04 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SW6DI-0LUknw-04-9SZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 14:43:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SW6DI-0LUknw-04-9SZ; Sun, 20 May 2012 13:30:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SW6DI-0LUknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 20 May 2012 13:30:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SW6DH-0000Pq-NT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 20 May 2012 13:30:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C18F3ECB446; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337520622; bh=G6oNS3PeoF6JBh0wUazGIWqdAFseYXWdVvVKYqvQ CrM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YIh9kiwoJCl1LGANn8IYqc3eMqGiOXsTn8fArlk7pbBGJxGf83 B2ZM5LYhhC+bK5MH3imLpf0TGkaxsZKJc+W75dUNGaHIccF7C6I2QVc1P47r4ftDQsX g1SdbcUi9B8EiIDQH9TrpKbD1H+It2plI6ek4MBcPV8p0Vrx7r7n6A= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnKa15B2Yiua; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 811B5ECB3F5; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337520621; bh=G6oNS3PeoF6JBh0wUazGIWqdAFseYXWdVvVKYqvQ CrM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=OsaQOpFFJMTPGvcdcHeZ4XzPcbBidYalcs8mqOXk8iJuYV+zgK 885Iq5Q1eJZnnbAvUlYB+fPhOdG0gpu3XybA/6kutX7TkYRwlQUumfzE65ZNTL9URdc T8FBc8VxPQzmdD41WD60IE5Ryzx84RnRaQfNOJup+rZGi14np15xm4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54498ECB412 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LD3+0DUPIc8F for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDBBCECB3F5 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SW6D1-0005wI-hp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 20 May 2012 13:30:07 +0000 Message-ID: <$YK6gCCPHPuPFwgm@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:29:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts References: <5291fda1bdPaul@sprie.nl> <529252e1a2Paul@sprie.nl> <420bLdE1nAuPFwT3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <420bLdE1nAuPFwT3@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S (<+VlE8JrfI+NiYTS9uRC1TaAVQq>) X-archive-position: 1254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <420bLdE1nAuPFwT3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >OK, on Windows it does... No, not even on Windows, does it cache only used fonts. Tricky area. Surprising because it can't be much harder than printing the actual document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 21 20:13:16 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWXxg-0e3GPo-01-FoF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:13:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWXxg-0e3GPo-01-FoF; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:08:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWXxg-0e3GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:08:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWXxR-0007Is-68 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:08:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F51EECBE0C; 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Mon, 21 May 2012 14:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hel.is.scarlet.be (hel.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D69ECBB2E for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1337625756; bh=3tuPB7JZwu3+xLLRg0hJK7T04dLYx7SyfQdqJvuNnxQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lhXb/bE0VUqjhCEXePkjuC6V72Uhkjj8caafRE4Oqv7cRZJyqplAN0EEUbDVsu0XX cPiFIrT/xdEiAEzj0wSt098D/ajvgJkZydGp5UO+K3IpwvFUouYrxH3s51LIk32OvT OGTXBVpcYeOvVUtX8lTA0PfEUFrBFkcp9vXQi9+0= Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-157-254.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.157.254]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4LIgZng018862 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 20:42:36 +0200 X-Scarlet: d=1337625756 c=83.134.157.254 Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:04:08 GMT From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing lots of fonts Message-ID: References: <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.21) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.1-exp at hel X-Virus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message you wrote: > In message <52923737e9Paul@sprie.nl> you wrote: > > > So, although this discussion is no longer related to OvationPro, I still > > would like to know what sort of corruption this is about. The font displays > > nicely on screen, and loading it in any font editor (including FontFiend) > > doesn't reveal anything special. Moreover, it's a nice font that I actually > > don't want to delete. Is there a way to clean or repair a font, without > > knowing what is wrong with it in the first place, other than that it won't > > print to a postscript printer? > > Most probably there is something corrupt/very odd with it which the > FontManager happily ignores (or just don't need that information), while > the PS driver falls over because it converts the complete RO font into > a PS one. Summerized : it turned that this was a problem in our PS3 driver which didn't react gracefully enough for one character in that particular font which had twice the same subpath (not really what you would like to see in a good font). This will be fixed in the next version of our driver. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWm4G-1Ws000-08-AEB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWm4G-1Ws000-08-AEB; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWm4G-1Ws000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWm4B-00033u-HY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 946D0ECBF45; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337681503; bh=77z+63Y4KLCksvsia0jjoQLpIWLyTNLzBM4uQnzw oGQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Vp77P1ot6ANK49YvyBN2o6F7ci2lC Q10EV2SmPJ4pNAbhyE3BmcVjUDLPhTmT2zeNBdTqwTaaH/+p6bwc1QWmD4wplXppTrQ sjEIjn8umdyB0+4ZHc6Ut5fGqDwgzMVPDSAbzZjSJCXGLOqg8KU7FA/tedj9yJyMGVo DoY3O9GA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ek9rHsVVUHmd; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD9AFECAE8E; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337681502; bh=77z+63Y4KLCksvsia0jjoQLpIWLyTNLzBM4uQnzw oGQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xD1RCuw+z2AiiUVWYTRyiEGCA46J/ iKu6qARrI+QimwQcTNf0HoRB6B4WScA1bqrom1VtCcdToHbc9N2CbL90aBDKsIweZOb 98cW07Sbi+Er6dXp5CqLulWc82oQYQUa+wGJRRwN95fapwevehph4YzQHqev0Y0owGw 0q7+uVq8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72602ECBF12 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id szj5NcT9Ky8l for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 371EFECAE8E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews28.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.194]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 12:11:24 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews28.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 22 May 2012 12:11:23 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 22 May 2012 12:11:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:11:20 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Colour in Black and White prints Message-ID: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 10:11:23.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DE5A550:01CD3803] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dear all, I've come across a problem that might be either OvationPro related, or postscript related - I don't know. Anyhow, I've sent a PDF file of a OvationPro document to the print shop. The cover is full colour, the inside is black and white. Nevertheless, some frames in the inside, particularly the page number frames, appear to have a very faint yellow fill. It's not visible in the OvationPro original, nor in the PDF file when I examine that one with any of the PDF viewers that come with RISC OS, but it is visible at the printers side. He has sent me some screen shots of the output as an evidence. But things get stranger: since I had to make the full colour cover separately anyway, I thought that generating the inside with the 'Colour' button switched off (in the PrintPDF driver) would solve the problem. Not so. It did solve the problem for the even page numbers, but the odd pages still have that faint shade of yellow fill! Does anyone has an explanation for this? You can have a look at the screenshot here: http://www.riscos.sprie.nl/Downloads/Temp/Screenshot.png A close look is probably needed to distinguish the yellow fill, but it is definitively there. Curious about your thoughts, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWnHl-1twVbs-06-90g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWnHl-1twVbs-06-90g; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:29:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWnHl-1twVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:29:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWnHh-0000a9-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:29:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE2FCECBF63; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337686186; bh=0MJxT9h1mErHd9vhJwRfvHu+tcKTE5tdrdmVOjAF 1aQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PzC5habu4aB7Y2LuJ1yqYcEwkE/BuBz9sZP/I0txAh/NZ3eeaJ uykF13eNfxlTRp3+OjPJxunpb2YHE+X051RoisZzhYk793XV0c5QqafNVEhIaHp8IcL pa9sVjOs0hB+Get4CWkGGAP35juSaeQI2qm6MHBgZ27pAmuxtWFk2w= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WyGuQ2gG5kB4; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4634BECBE59; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337686186; bh=0MJxT9h1mErHd9vhJwRfvHu+tcKTE5tdrdmVOjAF 1aQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PzC5habu4aB7Y2LuJ1yqYcEwkE/BuBz9sZP/I0txAh/NZ3eeaJ uykF13eNfxlTRp3+OjPJxunpb2YHE+X051RoisZzhYk793XV0c5QqafNVEhIaHp8IcL pa9sVjOs0hB+Get4CWkGGAP35juSaeQI2qm6MHBgZ27pAmuxtWFk2w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0283BECBED6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x92+RutrlDav for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86333ECBE59 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.85.52.86]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4MBTGka000918 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:29:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:29:20 +0100 Message-ID: <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > Dear all, > I've come across a problem that might be either OvationPro related, or > postscript related - I don't know. > Anyhow, I've sent a PDF file of a OvationPro document to the print shop. > The cover is full colour, the inside is black and white. Nevertheless, some > frames in the inside, particularly the page number frames, appear to have a > very faint yellow fill. It's not visible in the OvationPro original, nor in > the PDF file when I examine that one with any of the PDF viewers that come > with RISC OS, but it is visible at the printers side. He has sent me some > screen shots of the output as an evidence. What happens if you "view separations"? I recently has a similar experience - my b/w laser was playing up, so I used the colour one with the colour button unticked in the PS3 driver. One photo came out in full colour. That was because it wass the only one not subject to picture processing, so it passes straight through. However a number of other features which should have been black had a slight green tinge. In the past I've defined a colour "text black" which had K only - no C, M or Y. I haven't noticed an off-colour white though. Examining your sample it appears that the colour is the frame fill, rather than the text background. Have you checked how that is defined? > But things get stranger: since I had to make the full colour cover > separately anyway, I thought that generating the inside with the 'Colour' > button switched off (in the PrintPDF driver) would solve the problem. > Not so. > It did solve the problem for the even page numbers, but the odd pages still > have that faint shade of yellow fill! Does anyone has an explanation for > this? > You can have a look at the screenshot here: > http://www.riscos.sprie.nl/Downloads/Temp/Screenshot.png > A close look is probably needed to distinguish the yellow fill, but it is > definitively there. > Curious about your thoughts, > Paul Sprangers > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWncT-4VjVbs-06-8fy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWncT-4VjVbs-06-8fy; Tue, 22 May 2012 11:51:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWncT-4VjVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Tue, 22 May 2012 07:50:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r9MBW68TypgJ for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EA58ECBC2F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.176]) by cpsmtpb-ews06.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 13:50:47 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 22 May 2012 13:50:46 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 22 May 2012 13:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:50:43 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints Message-ID: <5293d677a9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 11:50:46.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FFFF500:01CD3811] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1258 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > What happens if you "view separations"? That makes no difference. There's no faint grey or whatsoever. > In the past I've defined a colour "text black" which had K only - no > C, M or Y. That would probably help indeed, if the problem was text related, but ... > I haven't noticed an off-colour white though. Examining your sample it > appears that the colour is the frame fill, rather than the text > background. Have you checked how that is defined? It's a frame fill indeed, I should have mentioned that more accurately. Both frames (left and right page) have a white fill. I could try to do the conversion to PDF again with a transparent fill, because those page number frames don't cover anything, but still I would like to know where the faint yellow colour comes from. Bear in mind: There's no colour at all in the document, and I did the conversion (in PrintPDF) with the Colour button off. By the way, the printer examines the PDF in Acrobat Reader, but when I do the same thing on our Windows laptop, I still can't see any coloured fill. What on earth does all this mean? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWnog-3Sf000-01-H0H.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWnog-3Sf000-01-H0H; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:03:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWnog-3Sf000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:03:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWnob-000569-Mw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62AC9ECBFEF; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337688225; bh=ecWOQz92SRPNHgoMKyhJ6Rlkumhj6fk/LEdmz6+j 0pc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=i6ZeOrISOaFxkntJIqXeDZDq5SmyQ5Rbsx3/myY5S0KMd3so9b nx3lb5QQ+xeAycH9LTzX+F/y48GIF+osSWDeX1wYKKQRtV1gh21JL0uIbWK9qusYffq boZril70oF3Ng0sV8AcbEPAdx20YNzGIypG11STNMOdp6d9od70ZvU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xpQ6PDD3nlp9; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECD8CECBFBD; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337688223; bh=ecWOQz92SRPNHgoMKyhJ6Rlkumhj6fk/LEdmz6+j 0pc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fy0wRSTSq+W2CacyL7++yht5N8WW68mlrt21gcYUfRUzrmreV2 gMK7K776juuxXA8wWCJvkqLx6LF0XgAdJZNNDnEfj0HXremHFl0HTNSe7dxb6CUDyVi PM0JJlWsM25NswfDnLianY7nF6T5tS/Sa6BDdFakL/muI7EPvXF9Ig= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD5D5ECBFC6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NdCEAHFSkl4H for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65DB1ECBFBD for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.85.52.86]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4MC3GiX002118 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:03:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:03:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <5293d677a9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5293d677a9Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <5293d677a9Paul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > It's a frame fill indeed, I should have mentioned that more accurately. > Both frames (left and right page) have a white fill. > I could try to do the conversion to PDF again with a transparent fill, > because those page number frames don't cover anything, but still I would > like to know where the faint yellow colour comes from. Bear in mind: > There's no colour at all in the document, and I did the conversion (in > PrintPDF) with the Colour button off. I'm still at a loss about why it only appears on odd (or was it even?) frames. I'd be inclined to print to PostScript, using PS3, and examine the PostScript for those page number frames. I almost wonder whether the number is being interpreted in some way as a PostScript command and producing a colour. That said, it should show up in Adobe Reader on your computer. Can you strip the document down to just the page number frames and reproduce the problem? > By the way, the printer examines the PDF in Acrobat Reader, but when I do > the same thing on our Windows laptop, I still can't see any coloured fill. > What on earth does all this mean? That's baffling. It almost suggests the printer is doing some processing first. I wonder whether he's actually using Acrobat rather than Reader? > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWo80-0Fx000-08-Ggx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWo80-0Fx000-08-Ggx; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:23:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWo80-0Fx000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 12:23:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWo7q-0002SR-QV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Tue, 22 May 2012 08:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C335FECAC0F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.175]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:38 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.23]) by cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:38 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-cmt107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:35 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints Message-ID: <5293d9624dPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <5293d677a9Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2012 12:22:37.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[93150770:01CD3815] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Alan Adams wrote: > I'm still at a loss about why it only appears on odd (or was it even?) > frames. It's the odd frames, but then exclusively the page number frame. The text frame on the same master page, with the same white fill, is doing fine. > I'd be inclined to print to PostScript, using PS3, and examine the > PostScript for those page number frames. I've done that, but I can't find any colour, just as in the PDF file (which has actually been generated with the same PS3 driver, isn't it?), or in the original OvationPro document. > Can you strip the document down to just the page number frames and > reproduce the problem? I could do that, but the problem is that currently the only one who is able to see whether the problem is reproduced, is my printer - and I rather don't bother the poor man too much, since he's already been quite busy removing that dreaded fill. > That's baffling. It almost suggests the printer is doing some > processing first. I wonder whether he's actually using Acrobat rather > than Reader? That's what I suspected as well, but he states that he's just using Acrobat Reader, albeit on a Mac. Could that make some difference, perhaps? 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The text > frame on the same master page, with the same white fill, is doing fine. Are all the frames generated from one master page, or do you have a pair of left-right masters? If the latter, are you quite sure both page number frames are identical? If they are, then the number itself must be implicated. You could check that by changing the "start at" page number so the odd pages become even etc. However it means bothering your printer, since he is the only one who can test it. >> I'd be inclined to print to PostScript, using PS3, and examine the >> PostScript for those page number frames. > I've done that, but I can't find any colour, just as in the PDF file (which > has actually been generated with the same PS3 driver, isn't it?), or in the > original OvationPro document. Have you looked at it with GView? I don't expect it to see any difference, but... >> Can you strip the document down to just the page number frames and >> reproduce the problem? > I could do that, but the problem is that currently the only one who is able > to see whether the problem is reproduced, is my printer - and I rather > don't bother the poor man too much, since he's already been quite busy > removing that dreaded fill. >> That's baffling. It almost suggests the printer is doing some >> processing first. I wonder whether he's actually using Acrobat rather >> than Reader? > That's what I suspected as well, but he states that he's just using Acrobat > Reader, albeit on a Mac. Could that make some difference, perhaps? There could be a difference I suppose. What happens if he sends the PDF back to you - does the fill show up using either Adobe reader or Gview? If so, he's altering the PDF in some way before seeing the problem. Alan > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWpI9-3EIknw-04-FWo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWpI9-3EIknw-04-FWo; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:38:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWpI9-3EIknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:38:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWpI6-00057u-Mq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:38:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E944AECBB36; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337693900; bh=Kq/R4XVWZ/K2lVN0wmcdJ9WinqCJLGIPDb/rdmrS GAQ=; h=In-Reply-To:References:To:MIME-Version:Subject:Message-ID: From:Date:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=YYfA9H GzeMQYCDZEyxzfHGAbVFMq/lgynVrVdaHLp+NuUYib4tBMRYivGNpX2/R72cIv46vUJ foZN/YaRFgD5SIbyoe0XJOduPc+sP0l2IYSVsUIknWozLjC+hVfM0oHl/ysYZSG3uJm FQjvv1ceJD/hIdI6hvlRq6/1mIzaEqI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ay+q7K8EBn-a; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77092ECAE2B; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337693900; bh=Kq/R4XVWZ/K2lVN0wmcdJ9WinqCJLGIPDb/rdmrS GAQ=; h=In-Reply-To:References:To:MIME-Version:Subject:Message-ID: From:Date:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=YYfA9H GzeMQYCDZEyxzfHGAbVFMq/lgynVrVdaHLp+NuUYib4tBMRYivGNpX2/R72cIv46vUJ foZN/YaRFgD5SIbyoe0XJOduPc+sP0l2IYSVsUIknWozLjC+hVfM0oHl/ysYZSG3uJm FQjvv1ceJD/hIdI6hvlRq6/1mIzaEqI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56353ECAE41 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3orVbZSz7fo for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0585ECAE2B for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:38:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <7982d49352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <5293d677a9Paul@sprie.nl> <5293d9624dPaul@sprie.nl> To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:38:15 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 1262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling >> That's baffling. It almost suggests the printer is doing some >> processing first. I wonder whether he's actually using Acrobat rather >> than Reader? > That's what I suspected as well, but he states that he's just using Acrobat > Reader, albeit on a Mac. Could that make some difference, perhaps? I do have a Mac on my desk at the moment. If you want me to, I can see if the PDF has colour here. Regards Andy Ling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 19:27:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWpKd-3czknw-05-FUK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWpKd-3czknw-05-FUK; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:40:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWpKd-3czknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:40:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWpKX-0006ny-Pc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 13:40:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10032ECBFE1; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337694052; bh=X7E6Ug+jE73fPDdIYzTQn4jM2rXmGNLy/Wc8ZpLk yTU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=VIiurJrQEyaldjaRIgS8hEy6r2bNYL5Gty5H0+UP dub/Tq8wx9Ctuu9nN67uztG14Qo9HKUsRytfgEP8s33iyOLteSU9yhMh7fXejHLiosQ AmTbtngGadxN3KZGY4fnNLxgZO5QBSmGFJHntQU787c9AebBG90VsyMGn6C+rScU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpoF0wakOJnG; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2FD5ECBF9D; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337694051; bh=X7E6Ug+jE73fPDdIYzTQn4jM2rXmGNLy/Wc8ZpLk yTU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=teWjwJUaRD9TyvkGK5xKUBcACWj/KVdoUmzzPrPo Hr6GasyCC9aefPamX4HwQPAcjMZFkq9xQLhKL5vP+uuU0ZCjMksrafG4AkOcHW2vL2K +ANZ0iVELJouZlJ68BpRXS9Xo7c4SBWaqtjH8hl+Q1KVi54bWePROfQ7Tlwl+hVk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 812C1ECBFA7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nRAxAT6FCVLL for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dombey.localdomain (chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk [80.177.169.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2DF6ECBF9D for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dombey.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5D0FD23065; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:40:35 +0100 (BST) From: Deri James To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:40:35 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.8-desktop-10.mga; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Paul Sprangers References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <5293d9624dPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5293d9624dPaul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201205221440.35271.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> X-archive-position: 1263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On Tuesday 22 May 2012 13:22:35 Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > That's baffling. It almost suggests the printer is doing some > > processing first. I wonder whether he's actually using Acrobat rather > > than Reader? > > That's what I suspected as well, but he states that he's just using Acrobat > Reader, albeit on a Mac. Could that make some difference, perhaps? Doesn't apple have a facility to use colour management so that you can make the screen show "real" colours. It may be the printer likes "warm" colours, so the screen shots he sent you include the warming! So it is not just the white which loses some blue but all the greys used in the screen anti aliasing of the page number. The gamma on all colours seems to be about (1.00, 1.00, 0.95), where blue is reduced (making it more yellow). Now, why wouldn't the blue reduction happen to the whole page? Well, it probably is, you can see it in the anti-aliased text, but it is not so noticeable as the white, so if the blue is reduced on a colour which is 100% transparent it is still 100% transparent and as the usual background colour for acroread is white most of the page remains white since the other OvPro frames you are using have transparent backgrounds. This could be all academic though since all the printer has proved is that his screen display has warm colours, the crucial part is the processing from RGB to whatever colour profile is required for his printer/ink/paper, and that's his job. 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Tue, 22 May 2012 13:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 18:15:31 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Paul Sprangers wrote: >It did solve the problem for the even page numbers, but the odd pages still >have that faint shade of yellow fill! Does anyone has an explanation for >this? If you look at the DDL version of the document, and extract all the colour definitions (in my simple documents they're all at the start but I don't know if that's always true), are any of them other than the expected values? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 21:27:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SWvU4-0Ewknw-08-9Kt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:27:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SWvU4-0Ewknw-08-9Kt; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:15:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SWvU4-0Ewknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:15:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SWvTt-0002j3-Mp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:15:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AECC8ECA9A2; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337715384; bh=oxYsi6ED/+rtrQca8AUjRrIShJvphQsgaurIHMNL 6MI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Xtd5FX5QsmfIjskyBGvYkjV2dO6sxbGxrZg/of5kQAREmlxSVh rG2mTA0V1aQagNeyh0fLWhdWs+0jfFbqKNQU4jzdsEByra0zgr0FI1b/YJL4WXfPVcL 85bLOA0onLpSNHl1UEiLlj9spzoW0yaml1HcgrHcBKHIIHJdazEHSw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id on7oTvGTBXMq; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26A24ECA446; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337715383; bh=oxYsi6ED/+rtrQca8AUjRrIShJvphQsgaurIHMNL 6MI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=A67lRngB1B9z6bnSQP4jX6OLk+PZTsuPSixBNoONjz9kHXk/bJ 6ZLgxhbV4kxD1i7WLdKr0P/DS2SLsuQ4Om2RIkWVPYp9XOkpg02oy9jO6BUK55WjGKL PttoPI+hqKhZ+Lqcb0Dq7zN0KTFAI4hnwqvGVyAgOA+FSsKsU1EOTw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3ACEECA57F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oACQHzRW1bnz for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A14EFECA446 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:00 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,639,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="626158914" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 22 May 2012 20:35:50 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB539A05F for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 20:35:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:35:49 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 22 May, Paul Sprangers wrote in message <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl>: > Anyhow, I've sent a PDF file of a OvationPro document to the print shop. > The cover is full colour, the inside is black and white. Nevertheless, > some frames in the inside, particularly the page number frames, appear to > have a very faint yellow fill. It's not visible in the OvationPro > original, nor in the PDF file when I examine that one with any of the PDF > viewers that come with RISC OS, but it is visible at the printers side. He > has sent me some screen shots of the output as an evidence. > > But things get stranger: since I had to make the full colour cover > separately anyway, I thought that generating the inside with the 'Colour' > button switched off (in the PrintPDF driver) would solve the problem. Not > so. It did solve the problem for the even page numbers, but the odd pages > still have that faint shade of yellow fill! Does anyone has an explanation > for this? What PS driver are you using to feed data to PrintPDF, and what optimization settings are you using? If you're using PS3, have a read of the PS3 manual, in particular the bit about PrintPDF at the top of section 3. You might find that if you follow the advice on settings, the problem will disappear. Martin has explained it on this list before, IIRC. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 12:06:28 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SX5mV-3SsVbs-04-G5U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:06:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SX5mV-3SsVbs-04-G5U; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:14:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SX5mV-3SsVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:14:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SX5mH-0002De-Df for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:14:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4E84ECC7BF; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:14:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337757247; bh=paj1OUpV5V2gnYY0ddzRXHW1puHplbqLSMFriGVN 6Cw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=sdw7Q2 TZkLiNBpVBH2jE4JInjth9jWzm+eS1RUONJAaL/KByS/HSOGlROLvzknvUTUK6SQbE+ 6BHZdnbDdUNHjs1F5kykH/sujevPVRNYXm1GWKTu8UENiv7fo9oPiTGgb0njc/Oitk1 wGO2dPYuXagWk5dqWSys26FqwSj8hWw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oINJx7XJE89j; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CE32ECC6D8; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:13:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337757246; bh=paj1OUpV5V2gnYY0ddzRXHW1puHplbqLSMFriGVN 6Cw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=sVM9Df wIs0/JvooiQxjC8aVE0xciT5A3Q/HgeHWH3s3jRMRbLAgPMZ3ZY1t2YLets0sjRNo+T R1weKXRNW3hmzWSNEAhCT7RaO0OCPIufl/CdGvaEUtmU5oNQXVNOsdA8obTmP3r+nRu d5xeZTrXiJSvxonvoaqP6MT7zEE6N+0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 May 2012 03:13:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4D7AECC749 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:13:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JDK0BM4jFIDt for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF07DECC6D8 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews12.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.179]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 23 May 2012 09:13:39 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.18]) by cpsps-ews12.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 23 May 2012 09:13:39 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 23 May 2012 09:13:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:13:35 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints - solved. Message-ID: <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2012 07:13:38.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[93902010:01CD38B3] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > What PS driver are you using to feed data to PrintPDF, and what > optimization settings are you using? I thought it was 'Custom', but it appeared to be 'Printer'. > If you're using PS3, have a read of the PS3 manual, in particular the > bit about PrintPDF at the top of section 3. Blindly following the manual was actually the very first thing that I did, after having installed the PS3 driver. I've no idea when or where, but apparantly I must have changed this setting for some unobvious reason. Anyhow, the problem is now solved. Many thanks to everyone for all your valuable suggestions. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 12:21:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SX9U4-3OZ000-06-CNv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:21:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SX9U4-3OZ000-06-CNv; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:12:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SX9U4-3OZ000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:12:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SX9U3-0007GS-9N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:12:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05C61ECCA2F; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:12:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337771522; bh=zcqZzvFprl5Xgo+cWsYQdAZuN8WU2BYxbmdSOHln dFE=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=ogANmt5mvyyn5JoalNwkQfRy26LFkNXv4fWK/jng /7owhYV1SCIzLd9V91Zytm295pBOq97hIgqqbsByjARr4ONVvM2FpEvGUmjF1Fc9Vnn R+7ddWADgaV4ekyjhdkWJoNnizPuo8/nr7bt0S7fa4lcEMl0Gb8Urmw7YQs5zjLw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rEKljY1cYiUj; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2D86EC9381; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:11:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337771521; bh=zcqZzvFprl5Xgo+cWsYQdAZuN8WU2BYxbmdSOHln dFE=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=hLp2tRIwHUaUFBKuIakmAh6CGPhilU2WkU4s+mgA ormais0wvD6LRFy/V/7EeNKLD+RX4JnBCtyA1mXF20fJixuy3++4iR2NLVNEhhpSnR5 XHBm6SqNjj1fNZyaj88PBDQNUzlJz6aHpIj5W6SV28C3+z6/atC1Fmf2lsk+fldM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 May 2012 07:11:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28061ECC836 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:24:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5J1sHExJAk0G for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.webtapestry.net (green.mail.webtapestry.net [217.151.103.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B578BECC80E for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 03:24:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=217.151.109.134; Received: from [10.0.128.108] (unverified [217.151.109.134]) by blue.mail.webtapestry.net (SurgeMail 6.0a4) with ESMTP id 177594761-1812202 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:24:37 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints From: Jeremy Brayshaw In-Reply-To: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 08:24:30 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-archive-position: 1267 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeremy@brayshaw.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 22 May 2012, at 11:11, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Anyhow, I've sent a PDF file of a OvationPro document to the print = shop. I've no idea what's going on there, but have you tried sending the PS3 = output file to the printer, rather than the PDF? As he has a Mac, he can load a PostScript file into something simple, = like 'Preview', which also happens to be good at producing film too, = instead of the complexities of Adobe software. That way, it will eliminate any problems that may be introduced with RO = converting PS to PDF. Jeremy. --=20 Jeremy Brayshaw <>< To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 12:51:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SX9vV-2Bgknw-05-BwU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:51:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SX9vV-2Bgknw-05-BwU; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:40:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SX9vV-2Bgknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:40:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SX9vQ-0004ob-T6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:40:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 832BBECC9D2; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337773218; bh=DBDOuIiY4Qw0X7e2JSTPqOdwVZftUD8QnrusVJb7 gnE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=THklDp2Hqr0MXWiZt/8CS2XWG+XWokSQBayFnpYwSNGNv14JZK Wg9u4XJTsJMD6HFaYyLFa7fN1idzYYnjbmRnJoH08yyYnl4Mcl0LuvYOm6Csyog20ZN JJQEgcgr2cYXXYoNyNXUvKQo3FOtxYT/nIZMnRw5UiA9/hQE9gS66A= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hKHflUUfkzRH; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E29A0ECC9C4; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337773217; bh=DBDOuIiY4Qw0X7e2JSTPqOdwVZftUD8QnrusVJb7 gnE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TYZD/xRZYwiMeqkO0O/dfOs4bZuYktznFZXuQReNT5vn1Hl+a2 9nkE5mAJCJcES4VM6Y2WwugmTebDUjVhnU00MP5GwlEg2BWMsH3Mre6OED4IW4KlX4K MAkGTatHP//JUNA2KP9PtaDI4X/bOTIy1S73IppW2EPYqKn0KLgnMg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2649ECC9C7 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9aCX2ks6uIi for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21CDDECC9C4 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 07:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SX9v8-0001YU-lw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 12:38:35 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints - solved. References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >Anyhow, the problem is now solved. A great relief to me, because what came before sounded complicated. Can we have an explanation or (as Steve mentioned) a link to Martin's previous posting here on the subject. (but don't go to any great trouble) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 13:06:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SXAH3-4ePknw-05-Baw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 13:06:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SXAH3-4ePknw-05-Baw; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:02:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SXAH3-4ePknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:02:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SXAGy-0000MQ-H5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2012 12:02:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C09AECCB4B; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337774554; bh=BEtJFgYtl/g46wxpdJREq6Y8mqdaRuk+0vVpp4QB JVA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=XcuWNsCTwISs1NRC6mpLY70uSxIEQ34oAo378dmOLwYDtWSUD8 dPPSYbmXH3urdbuuGlN0YWxNO7dt2q8G8Xw0w+w+LwIgSghJvvIn3iWTnb7tPPnT9Bf h0N/PtypPNsLKUS8PwNcp2bwJwVv70z+JXknHMcjofe7H/kWzjmOoA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jMV-UjgQQWu5; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C965ECBF4B; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337774553; bh=BEtJFgYtl/g46wxpdJREq6Y8mqdaRuk+0vVpp4QB JVA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Ol6kysz5KqMzKNdYN3eVcrCkHjDav6LYcUB/TQewE9TNi2TUwt U1vQaS+jFlm4dA5wJOiWBE0ssw/BhKsZgIeRAyKSLZ5lRoH15ueUy6Tptnz316DJRzD I8L7brH/LdP0hy/Aj48e55VSRuMWV/tam1a3mdQtgm9TXphMJPd+K8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18512ECCAE1 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e8vPrr2mQTnF for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89275ECBF4B for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 08:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (95-89-83-248-dynip.superkabel.de [95.89.83.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LmAhq-1RyNgH0ieY-00ZoaG; Wed, 23 May 2012 14:02:19 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints - solved. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:00:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl> <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:/4Cx2EEV0RZ8LXkK+fkCHN/ubmIxy0zt88gRDnmSmP5 GU/5wOZkGYC5CDwjGBk6RY2FojEgdrDnJVP+JFSt2XlK8DPPVa 2se6E7Bhn7ucCRZ9cWpfAbvjQNirxqE7oS0wCQYOdVhEjMjx0f 58/Bz23WTKZKUK7QZxQ+LOXXzXuWUjZtwknVq9AyF3Y0yi5iaA MDwiXNDcOrboyLI/xo7SZJXkhRH+K1bEr/g1GJWQfrdx7vnFNP 4wf17HhKCzbO10Ym1yanVQ2R4Bb5cwJU28D+GjzlkrbFi1gfMg ladteCRcqBg/O6b15/o+TQBfSa7N6QGEArrm2oY6pmBXYskZA= = X-archive-position: 1269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers > writes >>Anyhow, the problem is now solved. > A great relief to me, because what came before sounded complicated. > Can we have an explanation or (as Steve mentioned) a link to Martin's > previous posting here on the subject. First of all, thanks to Steve for remembering what I wrote and pointing it out here, because I had all forgotten about it. Explanation: This problem is down to the Ghostscript "Optimization" settings used for the PDF conversion. PrintPDF presents users with the standard named settings offered by Ghostscript. That is a sensible approach, or, rather, it would be a sensible approach if these settings were any good. Unfortunately, I have not found any of the standard Ghostscript settings useful. Most of them cause degraded image quality, and in particular the "Printer" setting does strange things to colours, too. That is why the PostScript 3 manual suggests using specific custom settings that still produce reasonably small files, but without compromising image quality. This applies to PDF production in general, not only using the PS3 driver. Users of my word processor applications may notice that their "Save as PDF" feature does not offer the standard Ghostscript settings like "Prepress" and "Printer" at all, it only offers "Ghostscript default" and five predefined custom settings. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 22:32:43 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SXfU2-2ryVbs-03-EU1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 22:32:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SXfU2-2ryVbs-03-EU1; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:22:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SXfU2-2ryVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:22:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SXfTN-00042x-5F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2012 21:22:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 525D1ECDEA7; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337894442; bh=gy25z8qhGJfqtZNqLZaRiQG+/XD6bV1cEHin0VRV H14=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=n9llm7WEQTjwBv3d9ndxrvc5ojP7ORMbsZ8gNvbS2rerwg8Igf pYQyrvHYPyyqZ5EfWy6ckfenVJbIfvYLA99y9XPL//9SvhBCoRkfKQ7bmjwi4iRtFsA do5BPPXNQxsB1Y9fHeLhkjK0EfKOo2XM/Edpyr7LGUFCfVJ2GyCRpc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l3ynhyIBOu9G; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10A45ECDD62; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337894441; bh=gy25z8qhGJfqtZNqLZaRiQG+/XD6bV1cEHin0VRV H14=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Y/HPVnJRiaMWrBVNiIlA0TlaRRm7CcRUkTFuH+LK2TM9dQWTqD 9S/DlcmcUPdL0thWsWSIOcTW6qysuiTcNQkbBWQbHV/X3ofjNBcpsLaSMClUdVBQfzV 1q7etwIJTgOv45TC5qafpiPbUbOKVJL0SjhLnewfHYu+MQ0utTSWgQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7EBFECDA20 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5UwK9PlYt1LJ for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FB09ECDE00 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 17:20:12 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,653,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="627135173" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 24 May 2012 22:19:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FBE9A05F for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 22:19:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:19:44 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints - solved. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl> <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 23 May, David Pilling wrote in message <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk>: > Can we have an explanation or (as Steve mentioned) a link to Martin's > previous posting here on the subject. Hmm. I'm not sure where the post was, to be honest -- and I was thinking that this was another list, anyway. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:58:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SXraU-2BsGPo-08-Au5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 11:58:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SXraU-2BsGPo-08-Au5; Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SXraU-2BsGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SXraR-0007Hb-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A95E0ECDBD1; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337941052; bh=gBLo7khaE5I8VXecSUWStjBixuSSqf6KHVMVD3Tx S8k=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=MZzO8w91gcphDuhCPj/kZ2yDjGbpfsyGhGokKdG6z9UaBrRZi6 +Hm70bD7lMd77GXTB8vxnpowGQ6nhYRBgOa9OcF1Ok6QxI4+Q75FZDTA4dgdIT4AQE8 1TAk+bo6gngXaGumj+5FgDI4w4Q1Kkj5b64z4glgwUtcfbIJaFuRQU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t9Dh8bT0qVTB; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C0FBECDB02; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1337941051; bh=gBLo7khaE5I8VXecSUWStjBixuSSqf6KHVMVD3Tx S8k=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=HFDyoeeAJMsXYmvIMm1iN0OFQTyoyXOQsWQhiJK7liGRAUhQXE faG7yPRw49Gvnki+Ch8bkmXTY5Cob9MVukYQjIcwcC7V9mEQc+fgU3AKA+aIv6I3ChS +uXpzmf/uREDYYNCp5FkSJsOO0bMxdSSC8hJ/eKBP7BByOKFUlGOkE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33D92ECDB6A for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IxV8PEXBAEWQ for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62A53ECDB02 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.236.71]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4PAH7Xp014449 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 11:17:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Colour in Black and White prints - solved. To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:17:14 +0100 Message-ID: <776a599552.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5293cd5e5ePaul@sprie.nl> <529440ee27Paul@sprie.nl> <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 23 May, David Pilling wrote in message > <2bWIg5B7wMvPFw5D@pilling.demon.co.uk>: >> Can we have an explanation or (as Steve mentioned) a link to Martin's >> previous posting here on the subject. > Hmm. I'm not sure where the post was, to be honest -- and I was thinking > that this was another list, anyway. This discussion ran here and on the PS3 mailing list. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling