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04 Jan 2012 16:57:23 +0000 GMT From: Paul Witheridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows 7 junction points Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:57:20 +0000 Organization: None Message-ID: <1ol8g7d3qle5req415cab7mr110iiddgh7@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120104-0, 04/01/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 999 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul_witheridge@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling I thought I would add some comments here. After installing Windows 7, I have been updating some software that reads directories under Windows and this involved some investigation into junctions points and considerably reduced my confusion about the subject (but not completely). But perhaps I can be of some help with others' confusion... =46irst, as far as I can see, a junction point (in windows) is just a directory entry that acts as an 'alias' for an existing file or directory. You can create one quite easily using the MKLINK command from a command window (but this must be "Run as administrator"). mklink /J linkname original-target MKLINK allows you to create symbolic links to files or directories, directory junctions and hard links to files (see http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc753194%28WS.10%29.aspx). Although the Microsoft documentation indicates MKLINK requires a '/D' command line switch to create a symbolic link to a directory and a '/J' switch to create a directory junction, I could not find any observable difference between a symbolic link and a junction. They both seem to set exactly the same attribute flags in the resulting directory entry: FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT FILE_ATTRIBUTE_HIDDEN FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SYSTEM and behave exactly the same (if anyone knows if there is any actual difference between symbolic links to directories and directory junctions, I would really like to know). Second, The access rights for the symbolic-link/junction-point can be different to that for the 'original' directory entry for the target. MKLINK creates the new symbolic link with the same access rights as the original, but you can then modify those for the link (e.g. via the security tab of the symbolic link object's properties) without affecting those of the original. This is where the infamous 'Access Denied' comes in. The junction points set up automatically when Windows 7 (or Vista) is installed, all have 'Deny' set in their access control list for the group 'Everyone', and since denying access always overrides granting access, this means nobody has access to these junction points. This is not a feature of directory junctions in general, just these special ones set up by the Microsoft Windows installer. I suppose it's Microsoft's way of stopping users messing with these particular junction points. However, the fact that you cannot access these junction points themselves, does not stop you using them as part of the path to a file or subdirectory within the target directory (assuming that you have access rights to that object). =20 And, of course, if you set up your own symbolic link to a directory, there is no 'Access Denied' unless you deliberately set up the access rights that way! Third, the big difference between a symbolic link and a Windows shortcut is that the latter is a file (with a filename extension of '.lnk'). So a symbolic link is a directory entry that points directly to the target, whereas a shortcut has a directory entry that points to a file which then points to the target. Shortcuts can do things that symbolic links cannot: they can include command line arguments and can set the working directory. So, in many ways they are more powerful (and much easier to set up). =46inally, the MKLINK command can also create a 'hard' link for files (on NTFS formatted partitions only). This is also a directory entry that acts as an 'alias' to a file, but in this case, there is no difference between the new 'hard' link directory entry and the original directory entry for the file (effectively they're both 'hard' links to the file). NTFS must maintain a 'user count' of the number of these 'hard' directory entries for a file and will not delete the actual file from the disk until the last of directory entries is deleted. Hope that helps. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 4 20:23:52 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RiX49-2QpGPo-04-Dnu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:23:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RiX49-2QpGPo-04-Dnu; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:04:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RiX49-2QpGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:04:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RiX46-0006CS-FT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:04:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81E97E7FBD4; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:04:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325707440; bh=w6i9UiN9XvLlf3OnkHbZZZHToXsmTitAqoiti+Qm d7s=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=S+9RHQ e9pTh6ZWOTcemZEkSnMv+8wMjvm+1VomeGb2YTyUQBs9TOa8meFHXcD9WnbMpzHEVlD 5OdjWb2gERH7+kh9M/Y/0aNvLuLcJz4nZ6MFciMHa3DYeHv6vkRvas8izlmOts2d8+h j97X+Xel5ao8yIU0tHPGDcv6ZaVZDOc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Gcna8gRpyt4; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1311E7FBBC; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325707439; bh=w6i9UiN9XvLlf3OnkHbZZZHToXsmTitAqoiti+Qm d7s=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=CuUkzJ Kse0Re7MPOOU95oy2Y90isWqoPbhn3TbutCH9A87iemyB1T+h9p5mP8n2rXVmbnvLzc mn+xJoQKm80tm0sf0wBQCNNQcp65pKhpNuhsXRySyb4tXKONdUlJKUrEqo8viumxDaW 4cZpYAkvDRc9OOXYbT3fxTJzqusvtrY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1EA9E7FBBD for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NJnoSHD1cgRM for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 378C7E7FBBC for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 15:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from AMD2. ([91.85.51.205]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q04K3hmf021617 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:03:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro for Windows Message-ID: <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <0A54WiIJk18OFw1Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49831.94.194.199.184.1324660199.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <524644dd5adave@triffid.co.uk> <5248a444bdriscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1000 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <5248a444bdriscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > writes > >printing using an ordinary laser printer. Am I right then in > >thinking that what I need is the identical font with the same name > >in both RISC OS & Windows versions? [ . . . ] > The font name does not have to be the same, the font manager built > in to OP will let you map names in complicated ways - if you can > work out how to use it. Sorry, I haven't had the opportunity to respond to this topic - but many thanks to Dave and David for the promising leads. Partly it's because of other matters getting in my way, but also because I've hit some interesting snags to iron out concerning the Applets. I discovered through problems in updating !Organizer that I've been having difficulties because of updates to SA-VRPC which don't seem to have 'taken', leading to newer versions not superseding older ones even though 'newer' was operative. This may be why there are features appearing in W-OvPro which I don't get in the RISC OS version. However, I'm now pressed for the clear time needed for patient and systematic exploration. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 4 21:53:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RiYa7-2WZknw-08-CHw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:53:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RiYa7-2WZknw-08-CHw; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:41:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RiYa7-2WZknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:41:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RiYa5-00058R-L8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:41:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 966C7E7FCB7; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:41:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325713267; bh=lAoNCgxxwod0eXkQzpQd0b6dk69YvSAvhyqietU7 8eQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GiAnuBuKW/KysxfdgCvp0EmmoMo5mThnsrsbnQPGpy2YttqPwL TUPrT0nGK2eAwhhwWO9HOdJU3szc0aFZHKHDwZKvu/GxRfyo7Mou83mmNUtcd6HM/1D iQJOZ0yGogM8HlEKieGAPJsK183ozzWJaLjW9OdZD3g3kaFQJcW71M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Efgju8LT44WJ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C069EE7FB37; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325713266; bh=lAoNCgxxwod0eXkQzpQd0b6dk69YvSAvhyqietU7 8eQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=BwXEPrvuN0Y8Aeb9yymMnROaDHYlKOE77X1FeMg/jmPLVtVAnP m1wIouANqKFqMqdBbPcrst04bxmVMH5QpuMakY0kuo+dZrEfWoVs533cW68Ix2EyRyA Dx4DKrDyLSz2n7Qy5P2eZyTPzJixJ5xA7DZWIiGghrsNr0uhb8S8UE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 952D0E7FC64 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ACvuxiQOyhcA for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12A8AE7FB37 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RiYZm-0001P4-om for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:40:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:40:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows 7 junction points References: <1ol8g7d3qle5req415cab7mr110iiddgh7@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <1ol8g7d3qle5req415cab7mr110iiddgh7@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1001 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <1ol8g7d3qle5req415cab7mr110iiddgh7@4ax.com>, Paul Witheridge writes >I thought I would add some comments here. After installing Windows 7, Interesting stuff. Maybe Windows is just evolving towards the UNIX solution of 20 odd years back. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 4 21:53:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RiYbp-2S5knw-06-CGE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:53:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RiYbp-2S5knw-06-CGE; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:42:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RiYbp-2S5knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:42:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RiYbp-0002y5-H8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:42:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A962EE7F3C1; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325713346; bh=HZMBiZdEbS1doubTlQNEU9REwqjd7k4ISD4cjmZY aro=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GxP/XUVjmO0OPxrJ4ULesvyjMQ1ReAb/VQ+GlQAW8CFpL15IbH iD+p/FVv7XhQlKHXUIWwQUAETYqVHKV9YfhytvGgnUfnOxYT4EOcGaf2/yb40cdRa+i 3fm8juGa8zQHfAxbixc+O7qIXvaQKDaiRIJGnn6G5DotoUun5YIqsY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id umAt593JtZXx; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A319E7F25D; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:42:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325713345; bh=HZMBiZdEbS1doubTlQNEU9REwqjd7k4ISD4cjmZY aro=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=d1lk6vySPC/cSj6MBbStal96ynjFB2K8yzKv1HInAz1su3LV5P Oc3NMCgJseTWAxWd26qczL4eSSz6w/WlEgXO0xXz9iSLa2d0ZrZJIkIXNCOfCXI+7wQ waRIJ1d0rOLFfHMVfF21SdIiJ2RHejRPrpmjL4jVtWM66lGg3NI664= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:42:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0888DE7F2A5 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:42:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LnRAlqLQnVXi for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFE06E7F278 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RiYb5-0001KJ-lb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:41:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro for Windows References: <0A54WiIJk18OFw1Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49831.94.194.199.184.1324660199.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <524644dd5adave@triffid.co.uk> <5248a444bdriscos@mdharding.org.uk> <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1002 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >even though 'newer' was operative. This may be why there are features >appearing in W-OvPro which I don't get in the RISC OS version. OP for Windows does have features that OP for RISC OS does not have. However many available features depend on the relevant applets being loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 4 23:08:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RiZsu-0i4Vbs-06-Az9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:08:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RiZsu-0i4Vbs-06-Az9; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:04:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RiZsu-0i4Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:04:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RiZsq-00072L-QP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:04:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4FDCE7FD19; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325718274; bh=Tp+DIcc97a3HAIQIMr3q1grrIcAyk7N6wONtkQ2v FFQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=TsTtvFhbWTn4Qq5N0PYYQZokI3/Hmh1KnpjgMOiQ K811riRhGzqBOt+YWMg7eFpIa/jyy/gWEMLg3ymHg1cGNmVqLAplKPepi4eZZ8+0KbN 8MEIMeissdhKJAtniEm50sKZpNNZCWb07xe7ugtE5vN/adokC/578LC8Jw2LXtoQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nVZPZXDvFAke; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43BB5E7FBA6; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325718273; bh=Tp+DIcc97a3HAIQIMr3q1grrIcAyk7N6wONtkQ2v FFQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=gFGQuEfIrZ0AKfhdBrCnX2aXeAynfyOMyWachCVs NOHNtVWcF22iDDyrsf6w7ljsYyL+Hb+3pXg2ffHHHfEw9h37tjjEv+7YZxL1vGxhcql TNxuixjPa+404K6cTF5SYnoeJVb6wcHG5pba2SCjacEgYAI/KMijldO/xFEgLSzY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19415E7FCC8 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OlMSo6ZQSy3 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9B75E7FBA6 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([91.85.41.247]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q04N4Caa026514 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:04:12 GMT Message-ID: <4F04DAF0.6040801@appleshack.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:04:16 +0000 From: Tony Todd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro for Windows References: <0A54WiIJk18OFw1Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49831.94.194.199.184.1324660199.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <524644dd5adave@triffid.co.uk> <5248a444bdriscos@mdharding.org.uk> <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tonytodd@appleshack.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 04/01/2012 21:41, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > writes >> even though 'newer' was operative. This may be why there are features >> appearing in W-OvPro which I don't get in the RISC OS version. > > OP for Windows does have features that OP for RISC OS does not have. Is there a list of these please, as I have both versions but tend to use RISC OS for preference. Many thanks Tony Todd > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 5 11:56:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RiaDH-1rz000-05-Aem.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 11:56:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RiaDH-1rz000-05-Aem; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:25:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RiaDH-1rz000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:25:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RiaDG-0005zE-5M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:25:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7295E7FD0A; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325719540; bh=LlgKfjNMb/xL9/BKMGrvDtE5HrqVwk1QrW0DpUi8 A4o=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=M2lk/ThVNZGxcsm4pg2GlUqzyNgVHoFVsFJGgKmIoIiEVBTPgu XnBwmUjkuOXeZ2RYy1ZWVmj0LBlV0my2GjcYj8TaS+1N7dz/xd+t4lhSCfwXbJpv2ny l5Oz1jVPpY+8BH3yKOBew1aXMvqSKzm7TUWh9wSm6pJGjvSj6jB0ss= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dqw6vlIfyyUl; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 528A5E7FCB7; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1325719539; bh=LlgKfjNMb/xL9/BKMGrvDtE5HrqVwk1QrW0DpUi8 A4o=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=NqmwVYnHQ+kTdTpxW5kVhx3hwMpZq7Md4MONoIuDWfGuKZnciV O9QiQh1UM8bODAXhOoz6cDd5DM4AgMaRggorBxPRNqVILQx4/iG6h6hmO7wuD2rpuxS C1UZqmqjj83D3iXxc+WaRYATnCAErnuf76fOgHB99Wo5MXndR+5FaI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:25:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A357E7FCED for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0EinbZyq3DV for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99583E7FCB7 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RiaCz-0005CZ-as for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 23:25:25 +0000 Message-ID: <5btLQ$Fv+NBPFwZV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 23:24:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro for Windows References: <0A54WiIJk18OFw1Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49831.94.194.199.184.1324660199.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <524644dd5adave@triffid.co.uk> <5248a444bdriscos@mdharding.org.uk> <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <4F04DAF0.6040801@appleshack.com> In-Reply-To: <4F04DAF0.6040801@appleshack.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <4F04DAF0.6040801@appleshack.com>, Tony Todd writes >Is there a list of these please, as I have both versions but tend to >use RISC OS for preference. No... Windows has direct PostScript output, it has Unicode support, you can move objects with ALT+cursor keys (there is a Gavin Crawford applet on RISC OS for that). Font manager (font mapping), support for .bmp, .wmf files, referencing of non-built in filetypes (like TIFF). RISC OS has Artworks support -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06618E7F4EF for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([91.85.41.247]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q050Stlf028788 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 00:28:55 GMT Message-ID: <4F04EECB.3040505@appleshack.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 00:28:59 +0000 From: Tony Todd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro for Windows References: <0A54WiIJk18OFw1Z@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49831.94.194.199.184.1324660199.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> <524644dd5adave@triffid.co.uk> <5248a444bdriscos@mdharding.org.uk> <524c6e72a0riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <4F04DAF0.6040801@appleshack.com> <5btLQ$Fv+NBPFwZV@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5btLQ$Fv+NBPFwZV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1005 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tonytodd@appleshack.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 04/01/2012 23:24, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message <4F04DAF0.6040801@appleshack.com>, Tony Todd > writes >> Is there a list of these please, as I have both versions but tend to >> use RISC OS for preference. > > No... > > Windows has direct PostScript output, it has Unicode support, you can > move objects with ALT+cursor keys (there is a Gavin Crawford applet on > RISC OS for that). Font manager (font mapping), support for .bmp, .wmf > files, referencing of non-built in filetypes (like TIFF). > > RISC OS has Artworks support > > Thank you David. A fine program irrespective of which camp one prefers. Tony To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 11 12:15:08 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RkthM-1Sjknw-04-C5T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:15:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RkthM-1Sjknw-04-C5T; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:38:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RkthM-1Sjknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:38:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RkthK-0007bJ-K8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:38:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAB37E831DE; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:16 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1326271096; bh=sYFdGbWyyQPvHlM2jgMGTcPfGXXsakw3racnbhTv nHM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=u/0puCVa6iLx1Fh6K2MFqaF7z+jFV 654Kdc3atW3+IdzNPoAn7XT4dVjSIykuh14su2mMIgMl5d8ueX3jyFHTML/oFQ8tt1z arbOoDmQuXr8ofyVd+rOYnLFQw8d7TI6JCPYTIFuB4+n0g5cirw6w9IiuQoWLZV8ZPL IlBxwAzI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8PENZKGErC+J; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E267FE831C0; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1326271095; bh=sYFdGbWyyQPvHlM2jgMGTcPfGXXsakw3racnbhTv nHM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WDFZu1L4Fo7u7L0/96gX9dlDzl4N8 jixJFXWe+me94lH5FJYhbSubW4kC0Ip2oUV+blzEuhmKmyzlZudmi2f9KWgudQ2Q9r9 3cXhzqfViPOHPS/yKAGikvR2WsXpeJ+dJypubPOEOJnCM13SCUu1B8sTEVmgIcrZekL DJVLWlN0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5495E831DB for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id znqJ5Q25Nhhb for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09625E831C0 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120111083800.FFKM21018.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:38:00 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120111083800.IGGD10211.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:38:00 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] weird To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:37:53 GMT Message-ID: <4778ca4f52.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=xS-ulD6CNlsA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=mv6i-IfyBitg0aYap5wA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1006 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi Using an Iyonix 5.16 I printed off a complex A4 page and my Samsung CLP500 printed it in a mirror image! Since then it has not done it again but it sure puzzles me. Certainly not an Iyonix issue. Cheers Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 11 12:15:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Rku68-3F9knw-04-Bgh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:15:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Rku68-3F9knw-04-Bgh; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Rku68-3F9knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Rku64-0005YR-Ph for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:03:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43B24E831F0; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1326272630; bh=BUNZFiDAIj8xhJdMARYpYDnzxphY+/eo3yIcrroD NVg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=kBd6nG zB4qNS9EFZDy1o3p1xCDim+z0yfjg809egAMbvG/ruTDcjzh5mzfWrmsCn0hr98VLDQ H/vi2y3v8wJDeT9x2BjZGUBmTn/QWHONMjjS5RPjzdIiCH/Zz0tKUu2We2keDQGZErI Y1ietooE/xoPEooEgvV1fRM9HHwHpl0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rokFnFEn3Vov; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2D82E682D1; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1326272629; bh=BUNZFiDAIj8xhJdMARYpYDnzxphY+/eo3yIcrroD NVg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NtAzeF gBwnoAqeQKAXkIwO/rbfyQv5gnxxDq2pU9XILFshwygQbkG1/MtESj/OHK0/+FltLmw CWVWjBwq5vH6NLLmzLgQcoIO3S7KmtwyVZanzm4VHR43zbFEZsN1sKRVA1zex175SE/ F/otoXMkPiQ985Y0K7Hw5RcCK6UK5I4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D154E830F2 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3PErBQ8zh6K for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09F2DE682D1 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsps-ews24.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.190]) by cpsmtpb-ews05.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:03:34 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews24.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:03:33 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:03:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:03:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: weird Message-ID: <524fccd286Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4778ca4f52.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4778ca4f52.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2012 09:03:32.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4763190:01CCD03F] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1007 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <4778ca4f52.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Using an Iyonix 5.16 I printed off a complex A4 page and my Samsung > CLP500 printed it in a mirror image! Since then it has not done it > again but it sure puzzles me. Two possible explanations spring to mind: 1. You've accidentally hit the Reflect button in the Ovation print box. 2. Your Samsung is a postscript printer that has had a rare hiccup. My Lexmark once printed a document that on every page had a perfect rotated thumbnail of the same page in the bottom right corner. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 11 13:44:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RkyJ3-38X000-04-G0I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RkyJ3-38X000-04-G0I; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RkyJ3-38X000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RkyJ0-0002cX-A0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94A5CE82569; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:33:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120111133309.BUQG27245.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:09 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120111133309.FWXS5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:33:09 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: weird To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:59:35 GMT Message-ID: References: <4778ca4f52.alan@ntlworld.com> <524fccd286Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <524fccd286Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=xS-ulD6CNlsA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=XmXCi-f1Nmw0bPRq2FwA:9 a=Jn0q4T1dMDgpXJB9FNUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1008 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <524fccd286Paul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <4778ca4f52.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> Using an Iyonix 5.16 I printed off a complex A4 page and my Samsung >> CLP500 printed it in a mirror image! Since then it has not done it >> again but it sure puzzles me. > Two possible explanations spring to mind: > 1. You've accidentally hit the Reflect button in the Ovation print box. > 2. Your Samsung is a postscript printer that has had a rare hiccup. > My Lexmark once printed a document that on every page had a perfect rotated > thumbnail of the same page in the bottom right corner. > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Thanks Paul, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 26 18:17:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqTQZ-2Nuknw-03-FrQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:17:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqTQZ-2Nuknw-03-FrQ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:48:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqTQZ-2Nuknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:48:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqTQY-0001vo-Fk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E40CBE892AC for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F8022642 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:47:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from host31-52-130-21.range31-52.btcentralplus.com (HELO Nails.nails.abbeypress.net) (31.52.130.21) (smtp-auth username jim%pop3.archivemag.co.uk, mechanism cram-md5) by outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:47:45 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] setting tabs in OPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:48:22 GMT Message-ID: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4f2191c1.6193-7801-2 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: jim@pop3.archivemag.co.uk X-archive-position: 1009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Page 61 of OPro manual says: To set a tab, choose the type of tab you require from the Tab]Tabs dialogue box [which you get with ^Tab], then click on the white area of the tab ruler at the required position. Further clicks on the tab ruler will set more tabs of the chosen type. Did that, but nothing appears on the tab ruler for me. This is whether or not I have some existing text selected when I do ^Tab. What am I misunderstanding this time?! OPro 2.77s, RiscPC, OS 4.39. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 26 18:32:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqTvQ-2seknw-06-FMZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:32:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqTvQ-2seknw-06-FMZ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:19:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqTvQ-2seknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:19:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqTvM-0006K0-LQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:19:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3B09E893B9; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327601990; bh=pGoFaWFS+h6sAa6pI7+UmIyeP8lVBWpLZVuYvwLy T0A=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=RIAQIz rTGiDoNbNlNG6xVBKL/aslx2SlynhOEB6YiDCda6DB6zahK6fjfkAIEDbCYGhT9VGa3 A5firnG6qWTK/GzrrNIMkh/ABXTTsi5LPzL/Sl67btFhypE+VxspgJ/ocP9S2zFdPqb lT28HCmOvT6jsXXOGTpyN9obzLOKNr0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QXBYx7kiD7xg; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C980E88A88; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327601989; bh=pGoFaWFS+h6sAa6pI7+UmIyeP8lVBWpLZVuYvwLy T0A=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=M6/5Lr 4oLwOGlWqNsObM76GjupZB96uLDxSx2wHCujj3oCD4aS5PUdAzx7rURrMGJbqDrC3AO KOoObumVtPOPX9Jmk9WUnZ88Ov5U2QuNsfRudCuWrfnDX00ln9eAQ/Z9ockwTqYSieH pwIT8ltGR8z7i8UjYT6yuTbcQUqnkGw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10045E89329 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qeAa-lwGUmcy for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 921D6E88A88 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([109.176.252.255]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q0QIJXNw022427 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:19:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:19:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro Message-ID: <5257b93ec6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel wrote: > Page 61 of OPro manual says: > To set a tab, choose the type of tab you require from the > Tab]Tabs dialogue box [which you get with ^Tab], then click > on the white area of the tab ruler at the required position. > Further clicks on the tab ruler will set more tabs of the > chosen type. > Did that, but nothing appears on the tab ruler for me. > This is whether or not I have some existing text selected when I do > ^Tab. > What am I misunderstanding this time?! > OPro 2.77s, RiscPC, OS 4.39. Are you clicking in the blank space between the top of the ruler and the black line about 5 mm above it? That's how it works here. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 26 18:32:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqU0X-3LCknw-08-FHS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:32:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqU0X-3LCknw-08-FHS; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:25:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqU0X-3LCknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:25:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqU0W-00027b-Gq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:25:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D57BCE87B0F; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:25:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327602309; bh=P9dxf2CYWwlhqYjGGzvbe5IqtFzinXArcwmQshM9 Kyo=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=lV1jDR2ECYsvRTMO+mBlK9i0A4mz6cWvLQoklteUvm/hj6UUdo qQIpK556QXgDHaMzPgvAEEbnmyM+IelAo4No7qqkBClIQFnVZz7WEkS7sG8OrxvmVXR A4dN5K25EJ4cqssdQvQStarmmGmbG3kGtmd2oFeJXDSmyucg0XAOaE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BDIuvFBovYZm; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:25:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AEF4E862E5; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:24:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327602308; bh=P9dxf2CYWwlhqYjGGzvbe5IqtFzinXArcwmQshM9 Kyo=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UHDsb14gwOOA1Ng3685IxkC7vX9jl3/MpVuu80DN8e6xfOoqRL NVNIx78E3gskRVXRIQypjnBC7kBtmbQvKNFA33iVQbx3ihlPKWZgKZ3WCnQ1ooZ9xUc aNoA3F4oflcCoe4gb1p1TR1O/BDXp7MsgsMsjLAGYGEbTydrBFMZh0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:24:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1098DE87B52 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:24:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id udnVTPX9soYC for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch (zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch [195.186.99.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A262E862E5 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.186.227.131] ([195.186.227.131:44672] helo=zhhdzmsp-smta14.bluewin.ch) by zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 10/BA-10892-57A912F4; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:24:53 +0000 Received: from ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch (83.79.178.88) by zhhdzmsp-smta14.bluewin.ch (8.5.142) (authenticated as janvredenburch@bluewin.ch) id 4EBD3C7C03FB34D1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:24:53 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:24:34 +0100 Message-ID: <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> In-Reply-To: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120126-1, 01/26/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Jim, In message <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel wrote: > Page 61 of OPro manual says: > To set a tab, choose the type of tab you require from the > Tab]Tabs dialogue box [which you get with ^Tab], then click > on the white area of the tab ruler at the required position. > Further clicks on the tab ruler will set more tabs of the > chosen type. > Did that, but nothing appears on the tab ruler for me. > This is whether or not I have some existing text selected when I do > ^Tab. > What am I misunderstanding this time?! You do use a "left-click"?? And you do click on the blank field ABOVE the Cm/inch bar, do you?? > OPro 2.77s, RiscPC, OS 4.39. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 26 19:02:39 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqUYy-2Hsknw-04-Ej1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:02:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqUYy-2Hsknw-04-Ej1; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:00:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqUYy-2Hsknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:00:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqUYU-0006Nc-5Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:00:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBEDEE8739A; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327604318; bh=dOs/JkwKCnikvbQowi6ipcjsebdh6Kkt+UKsI8Hq lNs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YBSmvo3/vNYTdrKXMXiv9N8+IS426IGV/Tvx5nq3GQkPUlEYMA o5uOqgOZ2gkE3mtCVokRrkDPV6zO3U3S1n6R02UnNRZQxN6e0TlPkG2CjH4mYuApoN+ xRZp1Kp3evYpMTdPjfpTkKoEk4aGUba7Gc3vLCJOsI/8hiTff75Eio= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJ850uzIjzXf; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EC6CE86863; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:25 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327604317; bh=dOs/JkwKCnikvbQowi6ipcjsebdh6Kkt+UKsI8Hq lNs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=NmwT+Nb6eWbAd32gdPU1TKuqh464hqSp40QhDqwQt1zdQR/51K Zvc5CwcwND8QP9s8o9KfIHqirFg88iDP4Mj2dWQeP4VIMHAntD1qjknWuv+LUT5nh2b FkzYdI3bB4PGZIqNraKj0Lsw2lwyrvezosHGItsY67oZPMxvVrpN1M= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30FA1E89572 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m2oWtI9v6BGa for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7689BE86863 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RqUWS-0004kd-h5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:58:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:56:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1012 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch>, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >You do use a "left-click"?? And you do click on the blank field ABOVE >the Cm/inch bar, do you?? Can you see existing tabs in documents. I think you can also create tabs by entering a value and pressing OK. (maybe). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 26 21:32:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqWkj-416Vbs-04-CXG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:32:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqWkj-416Vbs-04-CXG; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:21:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqWkj-416Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:21:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqWkd-0004Yz-NA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:21:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E9C9E891EE; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327612857; bh=59G/QSYE4zuwFD4f9MgMMlgX+C/p2yPAWOnXD7AF Lvc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=aCZwj8 AUXqDyigScoetuoZcEdvfvNyiMIzcnY4pgx/ljMg0SuaN4LGe2Mg3egczV53x63JkSE gYcMxPKDHPD/07A+A8O5H3PVWpDtEIBv9xKdd9lGvyKF7pyrKANtdGrxLlbc8cB+n+Z g2EB1t60k4nRHGDGhFAxI8He2nHF+bs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TAewVbjR7y1r; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FD57E89173; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327612856; bh=59G/QSYE4zuwFD4f9MgMMlgX+C/p2yPAWOnXD7AF Lvc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=hHTICF ftzv7dNTMeqmWOHOl0vbqB6f4mh1+uD4ZlARAGcxZ12dTKLAVD9AeMSuhxkleG+lNaL DiEdj/D7nHDeRcmtZPTg3XSkn6AHyt+UF4C5ggp9buIohEdmYxVSSNWKduwlRuploEO 58dfju94YrtkUqCKtWRmKKYcqdprlEw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4147CE89194 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DFmz-lxP7mlw for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E8C3E89173 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([109.176.252.255]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q0QLKZVt027406 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:20:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:20:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro Message-ID: <5257c9d4fcdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1013 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch>, Jhr JMAH van > Vredenburch writes > >You do use a "left-click"?? And you do click on the blank field ABOVE > >the Cm/inch bar, do you?? > Can you see existing tabs in documents. > I think you can also create tabs by entering a value and pressing OK. > (maybe). Yes but you have to press Return after entering the value, then the OK button. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 26 21:47:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqX47-0Bl000-06-CDs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:47:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqX47-0Bl000-06-CDs; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqX47-0Bl000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqX46-0003Np-Bz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:41:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F6A1E88F2B; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:41:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327614065; bh=epDQUhdhCCy0FEjyDkJL36xVtN7HCqKgkqnpOjNh +Vg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RauoLGbfwoctTJrGi20fuhRGUvbHjHclx9xPHQXLUBl7SeydDD E/c551qleyjW17npcsV0E6EMzltCkP0Q1PWo826+YkwLuf+0EQeEQMojMjPgWhAg6jV r9KdLe6ab1V/SpLitRlIlM/1q33O0QOdXdQ1fi0LP5ZyZCOTIbZYoQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62aviz+-FeD7; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C824E880AF; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327614064; bh=epDQUhdhCCy0FEjyDkJL36xVtN7HCqKgkqnpOjNh +Vg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VmuKPePa2EvrvHPsHNJVP5E6hyiL1+S6ZnIJ7IFjwjNooG6KTP 99XLPAB+UcQWzpWgDsptGsxEBxDYkxMbIB5SqOUNASBDgjTT6MPQxHRhEvNV+uX7y0D aJdDfqdTd82ev3Em57PVIe7h6YzTzRWyJe4oouscVTbxD91HkBc0VQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16F3DE8853B for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EP8jAs3T2+Ig for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 849FFE880AF for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RqX3p-0000gG-nq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:40:49 +0000 Message-ID: <0p2osxIlgcIPFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:39:49 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <5257c9d4fcdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5257c9d4fcdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <5257c9d4fcdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Yes but you have to press Return after entering the value, then the OK >button. Sorry I said the wrong thing. You can create a tab by entering a position for it, and then pressing *return*. That tab is then the currently selected tab, repeating the trick with typing a position and return will simply move the tab, not create another. To deselect it, click on the bottom half of the tab ruler. OK just applies the tab ruler and saves it. As with most dialogues Ctrl + click on OK does the same as OK but leaves the dialogue open. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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And you do click on the blank field ABOVE >>the Cm/inch bar, do you?? > Can you see existing tabs in documents. Ah, yes, now that I do ^Tab on an existing document (the OPro manual), I see what the tab indication looks like. I had been clicking on the ruler itself, not the blank area above it. (Too bad the illustration in the manual, p.61, doesn't actually show any tab markers in place.) > I think you can also create tabs by entering a value and pressing OK. > (maybe). Confirmed. I think I did try that before but must have looked in wrong pace for a result or botched something. 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Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA916E89365 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1869322466 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from host31-52-130-21.range31-52.btcentralplus.com (HELO Nails.nails.abbeypress.net) (31.52.130.21) (smtp-auth username jim%pop3.archivemag.co.uk, mechanism cram-md5) by outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:05:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:06:47 GMT Message-ID: References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <5257c9d4fcdave@triffid.co.uk> <0p2osxIlgcIPFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0p2osxIlgcIPFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4f21ce12.207d-49bb-2 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: jim@pop3.archivemag.co.uk X-archive-position: 1016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > Dave Symes wrote: >>Yes but you have to press Return after entering the value, then the OK >>button. David Pilling wrote on 26 Jan: > Sorry I said the wrong thing. You can create a tab by entering a > position for it, and then pressing *return*. Aha, THAT's what I failed to do earlier. I entered a number then clicked OK without doing Return after the number. So nothing happened. Little things like this are fine when they're second nature, but not obvious to the newbie. Anyway, the process of setting a tab in OPro, now that I'm past my little pitfall, is less palaver than it is in the mighty M$Word -- this all came up because the other night I was trying to teach a Word-using pal the advantages of tabs instead of the multiple spaces he was using. It seemed to me tabs were simpler on steam-powered typewriters. Another big difference between OPro and Word is the instant help from other users, not to mention the coder-in-chief. Thanks. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 27 12:03:39 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RqYfn-1hbVbs-01-AcC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:03:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RqYfn-1hbVbs-01-AcC; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:24:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RqYfn-1hbVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:24:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RqYfk-0003UO-JB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:24:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE15E871F9; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327620218; bh=jKFlHQkbSqFcI8ZiRY0MmIh1dXJwu2Ym+GruW6Sx eLQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=uy8bifR/EEBIgAgfB8hYpyNKPKrbsYCf68A64wcuzm5VqICxlW 2sOvivhECOb4JDtYRhxfOwaUE6WY1m4+zZ0gaVfWzoirZC1SZDCQeA3Mmn8jsi0XBrG rYSzPbARPhwTQbSyVyE6tnmKETKo7fnVzXHKGTMkZW/+tCdcTpGVWY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iq3R2ZdIjrKG; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15CCAE74B1F; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1327620217; bh=jKFlHQkbSqFcI8ZiRY0MmIh1dXJwu2Ym+GruW6Sx eLQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qJgJg9SLkEbLyalE2WsODA/g5t9Nv0FPy+zpTVSHEB51Z9bsY/ iquelSez9boMUTOVzVEqJrZn3TihdgEe+UNKhnuIcrXyYhWN53QUe7AVTvL5yxThECt RuC9VPj2+XJSR8hkPfeIHyKBu4vdOnc2cDxd+9VzvpUzTVjr477tGM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EC14E851CA for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oanzbjYBdBJD for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15E2BE683B4 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RqYf4-00007H-f2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:23:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:21:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro References: <0b68b65752.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <76b8b95752.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <5257c9d4fcdave@triffid.co.uk> <0p2osxIlgcIPFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Jim Nagel writes >Word-using pal the advantages of tabs instead of the multiple spaces >he was using. OP has a default tab every 10mm (after the last user set tab), so you can use tabs without setting tabs. > It seemed to me tabs were simpler on steam-powered >typewriters. I recall happy days studying the mechanics of tabs on typewriters. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling