From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 6 12:06:33 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q7QOj-2Koknw-05-CLC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:06:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q7QOj-2Koknw-05-CLC; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:55:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q7QOj-2Koknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:55:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q7QOi-0003fO-KF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 10:55:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06520E03ECD; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:55:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c+3D+krvynMN; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1130DB3CDB; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:55:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8940CDB3EB4 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:55:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0teUDyIvl5z4 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47EF7DB3CDB for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7QOQ-0002Vf-3F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:55:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Paragraph Rules? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gavin Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 11:55:00 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 635 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@dentrassis.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WCJUt_ePnnwA:10 a=q8yBQLD_jegA:10 a=eh7fDCqbAdkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AHSgYz1kQmo2L5NOjJkA:9 a=mlD5XwIm-HWTJUXnXGwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Interesting! I was messing around within the main OPro (RISC OS) Templates file today, just tweaking the size and position of the main window, and I noticed the 'Paragraph rules' dialogue. Which looks to me like it was once planned to have Horizontal and Vertical rules. Also, there's a commented out menu entry on the Text menu (in AutoRun.!Menus). I uncommented the line to see what happens: The entry on the Text menu opens the Paragraph rules dialogue, but upon applying 'rules' to a selection of text nothing happens. So it would seem that the paragraph rules feature was never completed. I'm not suggesting that David spends any time on adding these rules - although they could be useful for simple table layout situations. I just thought I'd mention my find! Anyone else found any interesting unfinished/undocumented features? Gavin BTW David, if you were to spend any time adding features to OPro I rather see the DDL functions we've talked about. But you were probably expecting that as I mention it in all my posts ;) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 6 21:14:15 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q7Z3g-2EDknw-01-CCl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:14:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q7Z3g-2EDknw-01-CCl; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:10:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q7Z3g-2EDknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:10:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q7Z3c-0001b5-NW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:10:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9006BE044FB; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b3jf8AIHJnFx; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D25A6E044F1; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A41CCE044ED for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DL+SAAjUogD9 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CCAEE044EE for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q7Z3L-0003PZ-nF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:10:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:09:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U5rV5PS-53gA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HZccNrEIAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OYlvjiLWqS_a9he0ysEA:9 a=2At78Db6gOMPeAplQzUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cdubJsRaR3EA:10 a=D0cLDY0AapM9a9Ri:21 a=LbFT8FBtv2XT_IAp:21 Hi, In message , Gavin Crawford writes >Interesting! >I was messing around within the main OPro (RISC OS) Templates file >today, just tweaking the size and position of the main window, and I >noticed the 'Paragraph rules' dialogue. Which looks to me like it was >once planned to have Horizontal and Vertical rules. Yes there were a few things that were designed but never implemented, rules, contents/index generation. It's funny they could have been done, just a few weeks work, yet years of work have gone into the project since it was "finished" (May 1997). Rules were like those in Impression, where they also are used to emulate tables. There is a spec. for proper table support, which would have been much better. The file format is set up to store the information in the rules window etc. Bullet points and paragraph numbering were something which was specified and then did get done later on. The choice was probably to do these extra things instead of the Windows version. With hindsight maybe that would have been better. >BTW David, if you were to spend any time adding features to OPro I >rather see the DDL functions we've talked about. But you were probably >expecting that as I mention it in all my posts ;) Thanks for reminding me - seriously, it won't get done without some encouragement. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 8 12:00:29 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q84o1-2BIknw-05-EYU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:00:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q84o1-2BIknw-05-EYU; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:04:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q84o1-2BIknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:04:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q84o0-0001Ek-TW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 06:04:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40176E04A3B; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:04:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7P4ySBhBdgeR; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F1D9E049BA; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 02:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F3FEE049FB for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6tOZ+wHYEUma for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0706E049F8 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 02:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.bbailey.argonet.co.uk ([91.85.168.17]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3863Ic4027466 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 07:03:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:03:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 637 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bbailey@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qEjjSLkqi6oA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=PKd0TWqe1NoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7WX_7K_jkpwFCwvhuCcA:9 a=z2I-osevmXdQ0ztuXewA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=5IKcYI6siWGks12d:21 a=5aS2zIXeTmxSStGs:21 Hi [snip] > >Interesting! > >I was messing around within the main OPro (RISC OS) Templates file > >today, just tweaking the size and position of the main window, and I > >noticed the 'Paragraph rules' dialogue. Which looks to me like it was > >once planned to have Horizontal and Vertical rules. > Yes there were a few things that were designed but never implemented, > rules, contents/index generation. It's funny they could have been done, > just a few weeks work, yet years of work have gone into the project > since it was "finished" (May 1997). > Rules were like those in Impression, where they also are used to emulate > tables. There is a spec. for proper table support, which would have been > much better. > The file format is set up to store the information in the rules window > etc. > Bullet points and paragraph numbering were something which was specified > and then did get done later on. > The choice was probably to do these extra things instead of the Windows > version. With hindsight maybe that would have been better. > >BTW David, if you were to spend any time adding features to OPro I > >rather see the DDL functions we've talked about. But you were probably > >expecting that as I mention it in all my posts ;) > Thanks for reminding me - seriously, it won't get done without some > encouragement. If implemented, would the above do anything that !TableMate doesn't do, perhaps? Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which I would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? Cheers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 8 12:00:33 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q85sJ-499000-07-DUC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:00:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q85sJ-499000-07-DUC; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:12:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q85sJ-499000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:12:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q85sD-00065L-I8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:12:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AF34E04A75; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:12:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2S1jCSckpEMl; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92DA4DB28E9; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61392E031CC for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gehNg8NqcuqI for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FAC7DB28E9 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p387Bk9b028256 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 08:11:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:12:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 638 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wrW4LeC0AEEh3Di68TAA:9 a=_0knmOvfk0B3eG-02XgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=M_SypjJJvimJRboV:21 a=SNMr6YCdWFEaXFMC:21 On 8 Apr 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > Hi > [snip] >>>Interesting! >>>I was messing around within the main OPro (RISC OS) Templates file >>>today, just tweaking the size and position of the main window, and I >>>noticed the 'Paragraph rules' dialogue. Which looks to me like it was >>>once planned to have Horizontal and Vertical rules. >> Yes there were a few things that were designed but never implemented, >> rules, contents/index generation. It's funny they could have been done= , >> just a few weeks work, yet years of work have gone into the project >> since it was "finished" (May 1997). >> Rules were like those in Impression, where they also are used to emula= te >> tables. There is a spec. for proper table support, which would have be= en >> much better. >> The file format is set up to store the information in the rules window= >> etc. >> Bullet points and paragraph numbering were something which was specifi= ed >> and then did get done later on. >> The choice was probably to do these extra things instead of the Window= s >> version. With hindsight maybe that would have been better. >>>BTW David, if you were to spend any time adding features to OPro I >>>rather see the DDL functions we've talked about. But you were probably= >>>expecting that as I mention it in all my posts ;) >> Thanks for reminding me - seriously, it won't get done without some >> encouragement. > If implemented, would the above do anything that !TableMate doesn't do,= > perhaps? > Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which I w= ould > gladly contribute towards an upgrade? Enthusiastically seconded! With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Message-ID: <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2011 14:07:52.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[595B59B0:01CBF5F6] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 639 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-M75jXDnvJcA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZuLOrcidHrstALoUrjwA:9 a=TQdFJeil4xa7xYjUSOMA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 > > Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which I > > would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? > Enthusiastically seconded! Wholeheartedly thirded! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 8 16:00:22 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8D0u-40nknw-07-Es7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:00:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8D0u-40nknw-07-Es7; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:50:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8D0u-40nknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:50:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8D0p-00064x-S5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:50:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B0DBE00199; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:50:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yb1UPcRQyBs1; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B896DFC619; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BA83DFC5DC for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pk2wFjzLYg6K for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server6.spellings.net (server6.spellings.net [89.255.133.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21C28DD6268 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpc3-croy19-2-0-cust46.croy.cable.virginmedia.com ([94.169.180.47] helo=Shuttle) by server6.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8D0U-0004CU-Mw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:49:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:49:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1Q8D0U-0004CU-Mw X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server6.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=PRIVh2AOkfEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3nTInNn9iHOXVoOyA7YA:9 a=uE-08SxvlLQiMcXjuOMA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Paul Sprangers wrote: >>> Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which I >>> would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? > >> Enthusiastically seconded! > > Wholeheartedly thirded! Warmly fourthed! --=20 Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 8 17:15:25 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8EI5-4Bbknw-06-Daw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 17:15:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8EI5-4Bbknw-06-Daw; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:12:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8EI5-4Bbknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:12:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8EI4-00058w-BF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:12:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01FBDE04E07; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h5XNJWkJsn72; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 200B2E038D8; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:11:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8F88E047A2 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:11:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a-v0u-ygMPSA for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.245]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94C81E038D8 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:11:50 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqsXADIzn00CYFUR/2dsb2JhbACZAI0SA3eIerdfhW0EkVM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,324,1299456000"; d="scan'208";a="474318640" Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.workgroup08) ([2.96.85.17]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2011 17:11:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:11:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 641 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=QnuX5TXgijMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=UjCtF1DkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bfwVSwtDV7z33UhwZ8EA:9 a=BNn54zTal-zBk7V8DFwA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=c_VJIVJPyp4A:10 a=SapvlFQbMb9bOi3d:21 a=7jNZNcy0anXbXkxG:21 On 08 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote: > Paul Sprangers wrote: > >>> Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which= I > >>> would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? > > > >> Enthusiastically seconded! > > > > Wholeheartedly thirded! > Warmly fourthed! Losing count, but me too! Regards Jack --=20 Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 8 18:00:25 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8EuS-25I000-07-CyZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 18:00:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8EuS-25I000-07-CyZ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8EuS-25I000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8EuQ-000196-8i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:51:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7CC5E04DFE; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QvP2PgpE33hJ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33926E04B3A; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:51:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 037F1E04B9F for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:51:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CvY4xvHAKA6G for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EC90E04B3A for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkwIAFo8n01UXebr/2dsb2JhbACZAI0Vd4h6t16FbQSROA Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2011 17:51:28 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Q8Eu7-0000hv-Hg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:51:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:50:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c0cd2d59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 642 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=UjCtF1DkAAAA:8 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MZurHCbClIlcpj-k8y0A:9 a=zJMqP4zzNFPugcnDBhUA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=c_VJIVJPyp4A:10 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=tA_RL8l56LVgiJ-e:21 a=h0ifgrkYCOxOjr_Z:21 In article <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > On 08 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > >>> Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, whi= ch I > > >>> would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? > > > > > >> Enthusiastically seconded! > > > > > > Wholeheartedly thirded! > > Warmly fourthed! > Losing count, but me too! Only another 995 needed 8o( --=20 Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 9 19:08:58 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8L6Q-2VeGPo-02-FJ7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:08:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8L6Q-2VeGPo-02-FJ7; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 23:28:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8L6Q-2VeGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 23:28:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8L6C-0002Pj-Bw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 23:28:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95B57E04CAC; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vjxu3UWdKwFj; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3A02E00E24; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 19:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85663E046BA for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0l9VcPb5zV0 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfilter3.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50EADE00E24 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am0GANSWn03Lbfjh/2dsb2JhbACESpQ7jgyyW5A7gSmDTHgEjU4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,327,1299409200"; d="scan'208";a="147749568" Received: from 225.248.109.203.static.cust.vf.net.nz (HELO fricka.khnet.nz) ([203.109.248.225]) by cust.filter3.content.vf.net.nz with ESMTP; 09 Apr 2011 11:18:07 +1200 Message-ID: <4D9F97AE.5030803@asgard.org.nz> Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 11:18:06 +1200 From: Keith & Elizabeth Hopper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c0cd2d59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51c0cd2d59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 643 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: qnh@asgard.org.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DVs7lP8Ycy0A:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=UjCtF1DkAAAA:8 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=xe8BsctaAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=G-LvMS70Ua6uLNdSC9YA:9 a=OLvRIJruxoCcnqBY5boA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=c_VJIVJPyp4A:10 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=3Hyuc6yv8feVthXR:21 a=FY7iVRM06zk6ZH8I:21 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 9/04/11 04:50, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk>, > Jack Evans wrote: >> On 08 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote: >>> Paul Sprangers wrote: >>>>>> Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =C2=A3sd kind, w= hich I >>>>>> would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? >>>> >>>>> Enthusiastically seconded! >>>> >>>> Wholeheartedly thirded! >=20 >>> Warmly fourthed! >=20 >> Losing count, but me too! >=20 > Only another 995 needed 8o( >=20 Pounds or people? Me too! Keith -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNn5euAAoJEBGkHMRytd2ZlrQIAKJaICQf28zixJ8uLHAWBa/5 pRRn4uLwQ86d2g5l80scRXiSm+233JVD9XR35N5qSG7p7f70CwQvDbmXDxOYZq2/ NyTY98sG0VwkAgmsJWMgXTITdZWBO/TfPnFyE8Any/+OLoBqX3okLwODhg943CaI oo9LCE1j9ZYhLk0LinVlTDWoOZJN0niZoQ9x/snRRtdBUD4IQJzVY/hLUYqzoQtm GV/yeSPp4OFKvoyGUhZQrCEXWVEk2rtQmPfCtsg6/IYNsqPN1nHzP7HxacQ9QLPP mSr4ynsEL/3iNVICFucFxmR8N1W4K6tb9Nerx3cF4DUoBE2xdMc/BZtIt6eQm30=3D =3DFDRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 11:02:39 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8oPV-1eIknw-02-BZa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:02:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8oPV-1eIknw-02-BZa; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:46:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8oPV-1eIknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:46:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8oPT-00022M-Gz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:46:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A1DDE056C7; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:46:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WxiozhVS2ZgI; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 225B4E056A9; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E88B4E056AA for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:45:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Td08erhR9Y5D for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A6BEE056A9 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 02:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.95.120]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3A6iwgw002033 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:44:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:39:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 644 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KR5MIgd2fWAA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=Vt-lPvQP9RgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=UjCtF1DkAAAA:8 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MZurHCbClIlcpj-k8y0A:9 a=R9DWOGDCjth0E1VwzAUA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=c_VJIVJPyp4A:10 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=FIUX49Rw5DfN_Z7p:21 a=aRwlWWYbF7CFCUX6:21 In article <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > On 08 Apr, Bruce Goatly wrote: > > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > >>> Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which I > > >>> would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? > > > > > >> Enthusiastically seconded! > > > > > > Wholeheartedly thirded! > > Warmly fourthed! > Losing count, but me too! Add me to the list. Dave --=20 Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 11:32:27 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8rXk-2nYGPo-05-Gxr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:32:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8rXk-2nYGPo-05-Gxr; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:06:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8rXk-2nYGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:06:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8rXj-0006HR-3j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:06:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F539E06627; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XnnMUtFdupMn; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E5CE05DBB; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE205E065C8 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AdEqPtE4XkWW for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F84EE05DBB for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q8rXM-0007lI-mp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:05:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 645 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7TE2Zywz14A:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=B2D_l2bMLYmmKSK9gHYA:9 a=TN4Q0aC_dVWjLQ4fWYQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=OgMM6Q8f_GYTdHTf:21 a=eXxwUCNs8FWv8EUz:21 Hi, In message <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Add me to the list. Don't know what the queue is for, but I'll join it. Any chance that you agree on one thing you'd like adding? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 11:47:28 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8s7q-2RwVbs-08-GNl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:47:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8s7q-2RwVbs-08-GNl; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:44:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8s7q-2RwVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:44:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8s7p-00071E-24 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:44:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37989E0583E; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:44:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tj4jYnQbt+km; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8989BE04AAD; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:43:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D4C9E04CE4 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:43:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jiXR8jAvmWoS for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9D90E04AAD for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.bbailey.argonet.co.uk ([91.85.168.17]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3AAh3Rc004396 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:43:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:43:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 646 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bbailey@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qEjjSLkqi6oA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=PKd0TWqe1NoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=137luN_oO83AsWiKEUMA:9 a=iW2RD2dqEzDXIPBAdI0A:7 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=mltJCEDy-QcnrbKC:21 a=UGA7ifWiivv-y0sB:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Add me to the list. > Don't know what the queue is for, but I'll join it. > Any chance that you agree on one thing you'd like adding? Weeell, if I may make a suggestion, as a starting point, I have often used !TableMate for the generation of tables incorporated in !OvatPro files, but, depending on their complexity, editing those tables can get awfully messy and !TableMate can crash from time to time. What might the spec. for fully supported tables look like, please? Would you also care to elaborate on the 'few things that were designed but never implemented', please. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 12:47:28 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8svK-2TC000-05-FaH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:47:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8svK-2TC000-05-FaH; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:35:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8svK-2TC000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:35:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8sv9-00003W-QM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:35:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 189BEE05759; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:35:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dEEO8LF7VGXb; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A98CE03548; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:34:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FC50E037BA for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:34:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27q39m7svOuk for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCB28E03548 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q8sus-00065i-ZV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:34:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 12:33:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 647 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2Y4WJk8GRm8A:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DpJdgdlnxspYdN5IaIkA:9 a=F6ahShkXTRc8pIfRcCkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=ztpx3lM_az-kmIrS:21 a=FYttX70vdXQ_lsdW:21 Hi, In message <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey writes >What might the spec. for fully supported tables look like, please? Yes, tables would be good. A lot of added functionality, but also a lot of work. The table spec is below, makes me feel sad. >Would you also care to elaborate on the 'few things that were designed but >never implemented', please. Only what has been said above, paragraph rules, index and content generation. Index generation was envisaged as simple, like Peter Bond's applet, I think what did for that was the outcry "simple index generation is no use, burn it" about that time (where did that come from, maybe Impression), which led to IdxPro which is too complicated for many people. =========================================== Sat Jan 21 15:42:22 1995 From John Wallace X-Mailer ArcBM 1.10 Dear David At last, here's the Table specification. Drawing a Table To draw a table choose the Table tool and draw a rectangle representing the overall size of the table you require. The depth of the table should snap to an exact number of rows that can be fitted in. The default row depth should be 'auto' which means that it is determined by the tallest font bound box in the row, plus a bit extra. The width of the table should be exactly as it is draw, but divided into column based on a fixed minimum width (say 25mm). Each cell in the table is essentially an empty frame, and the whole lot is grouped. It is probably best to prevent the table from being ungrouped. Resizing a table by dragging. If the table is made wider or narrower the columns are scaled accordingly. If the table is extended vertically, extra rows are added to the bottom. It is probably best that we do not allow the user to decrease the depth by dragging, since rows could then be accidentally deleted. The important point here is that scaling the table vertically should not scale the row depths. If it did, we would end up with inconsistent tables throughout the document. If the pointer is moved over a column divider, the pointer changes to a special shape (probably the one we use to drag vertical guidelines) and the column divider can be dragged (snapping to grid if necessary). Modify Table The modify dialogue box should apply to the table. It should specify the X origin , Y origin, number of rows, number of columns, rotate (?), skew (?), colour, inset, align, spread, lock and row depth. If rows are added, they are added at the bottom of the table. If columns are added, they are added at the right of the table (at a predefined with, say 25mm). The row depth can be: auto the depth is determined by the biggest text in the row, plus a bit extra min the row depth is at least the value specified, but may expand to accomodate extra lines fixed the depth is fixed to the value specified - if the lines will not fit, it overflows Typing into the table Each cell is treated just like a normal frame, but with 2 important differences: 1. If you type past the end of the cell, the whole row depth is expanded to accomodate an extra line if text ('auto' and 'min' row depth settings only) 2. Caret movement should continue in all directions into the next cell. 'Shift' and 'Ctrl' with caret should probably just work within cells as expected, but perhaps 'Ctrl Shift' could move the caret to the start of the next cell in any direction. Selection within the table Selecting text within any cell should work as usual, but dragging across whole cells should select the whole cells in rectangles. We could also allow columns and rows to be selected by moving the caret to the line at the top of the column (or left of the row). The pointer changes to an arrow and c;icking with Select will select that column/row. This idea is copied from MS Word. Extra columns/rows could be added inthe same way but using Adjust. Adding/deleting columns and rows Four additional options should be provided to do this (see below). The specified number of columns are added to the left of the column with the caret or to the left of selected columns. Rows are added above the caret or selection. Deletions affect columns/rows with the caret or selected columns/rows. Menu organisation We need to add some extra options. We could do it on the the Object menu as follows: Object Table ------------- ----------------- Table > Modify Border Insert columns > Text flow Insert rows > Duplicate Delete columns > Shape Delete rows > ... The Table option would only be available if the selection or group contained only tables. Otherwise the usual Modify Object box would be used. Adding a border around the table The usual border option can be used on the table as a whole, so we could have a fancy border around the whole table (including auto drop shadows). We could also specify a width and thickness for cell outlines. finally it would be useful to be able to separate the column/row headings. We could do this by having a width and thickness for the line below the first row and the line to the right of the first column. Table Style We could have a special Table style that is created when the first table is created. It would specify type size only, say 10pt, and would be be applied to each cell in the table. Thus by changing the Table style, we could easily change the text in all the tables. What do you think? Importing We should be able to import CSV and TSV files directly into any rectangle in a table, with the table expanding as necessary to accomodate the data. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 15:32:35 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8vaG-2qxknw-05-CvL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:32:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8vaG-2qxknw-05-CvL; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:25:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8vaG-2qxknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:25:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8va7-0005Mi-4e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:25:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FB14E051E3; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NqH41QMbn7VI; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADA47E039D3; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DC2AE039CC for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cmqo1sGixWgo for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6E9DE039D3 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30772 invoked by uid 89); 10 Apr 2011 14:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 10 Apr 2011 14:25:12 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:13:00 +0800 Message-ID: <556ec6c151.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 648 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fYewJnVq8AEA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3EuId21r3KHmDr-rj3oA:9 a=plrrHgetUgYrqybZ25gA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=Q5E5bJkPPBHB31T_:21 a=yF4kIYCIZ2QP4Ebj:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey > writes >>What might the spec. for fully supported tables look like, please? > Yes, tables would be good. A lot of added functionality, but also a lot > of work. > The table spec is below, makes me feel sad. Tablemate is OK for those of us who have it. >>Would you also care to elaborate on the 'few things that were designed but >>never implemented', please. > Only what has been said above, paragraph rules, index and content > generation. > Index generation was envisaged as simple, like Peter Bond's applet, I > think what did for that was the outcry "simple index generation is no > use, burn it" about that time (where did that come from, maybe > Impression), which led to IdxPro which is too complicated for many > people. Index generation is what I'd happily pay good money for. You are correct in saying that IdxPro is too difficult. I tried to use it but gave up. An indexing system that is based on styles, implemented in a simple manner, would be great. Highlight the word or phrase and apply Index level i, or ii or iii etc > =========================================== > Sat Jan 21 15:42:22 1995 > From John Wallace > X-Mailer ArcBM 1.10 > Dear David > At last, here's the Table specification. > Drawing a Table > To draw a table choose the Table tool and draw a rectangle > representing the overall size of the table you require. > The depth of the table should snap to an exact number of > rows that can be fitted in. The default row depth should > be 'auto' which means that it is determined by the tallest > font bound box in the row, plus a bit extra. > The width of the table should be exactly as it is draw, > but divided into column based on a fixed minimum width > (say 25mm). > Each cell in the table is essentially an empty frame, and > the whole lot is grouped. It is probably best to prevent > the table from being ungrouped. > Resizing a table by dragging. > If the table is made wider or narrower the columns are > scaled accordingly. If the table is extended vertically, > extra rows are added to the bottom. It is probably best that > we do not allow the user to decrease the depth by dragging, > since rows could then be accidentally deleted. The important > point here is that scaling the table vertically should not > scale the row depths. If it did, we would end up with > inconsistent tables throughout the document. > If the pointer is moved over a column divider, the pointer > changes to a special shape (probably the one we use to drag > vertical guidelines) and the column divider can be dragged > (snapping to grid if necessary). > Modify Table > The modify dialogue box should apply to the table. It should > specify the X origin , Y origin, number of rows, number of > columns, rotate (?), skew (?), colour, inset, align, spread, > lock and row depth. If rows are added, they are added at the > bottom of the table. If columns are added, they are added at > the right of the table (at a predefined with, say 25mm). > The row depth can be: > auto the depth is determined by the biggest text in the > row, plus a bit extra > min the row depth is at least the value specified, but > may expand to accomodate extra lines > fixed the depth is fixed to the value specified - if the > lines will not fit, it overflows > Typing into the table > Each cell is treated just like a normal frame, but with 2 > important differences: > 1. If you type past the end of the cell, the whole row depth > is expanded to accomodate an extra line if text ('auto' > and 'min' row depth settings only) > 2. Caret movement should continue in all directions into the > next cell. 'Shift' and 'Ctrl' with caret should probably > just work within cells as expected, but perhaps 'Ctrl Shift' > could move the caret to the start of the next cell in > any direction. > Selection within the table > Selecting text within any cell should work as usual, but > dragging across whole cells should select the whole cells in > rectangles. We could also allow columns and rows to be selected > by moving the caret to the line at the top of the column (or > left of the row). The pointer changes to an arrow and c;icking > with Select will select that column/row. This idea is copied > from MS Word. Extra columns/rows could be added inthe same way > but using Adjust. > Adding/deleting columns and rows > Four additional options should be provided to do this (see below). > The specified number of columns are added to the left of the > column with the caret or to the left of selected columns. Rows > are added above the caret or selection. Deletions affect > columns/rows with the caret or selected columns/rows. > Menu organisation > We need to add some extra options. We could do it on the the > Object menu as follows: > Object Table > ------------- ----------------- > Table > Modify > Border Insert columns > > Text flow Insert rows > > Duplicate Delete columns > > Shape Delete rows > > ... > The Table option would only be available if the selection or > group contained only tables. Otherwise the usual Modify Object > box would be used. > Adding a border around the table > The usual border option can be used on the table as a whole, > so we could have a fancy border around the whole table > (including auto drop shadows). We could also specify a width > and thickness for cell outlines. finally it would be useful > to be able to separate the column/row headings. We could do > this by having a width and thickness for the line below the > first row and the line to the right of the first column. > Table Style > We could have a special Table style that is created when the > first table is created. It would specify type size only, > say 10pt, and would be be applied to each cell in the table. > Thus by changing the Table style, we could easily change the > text in all the tables. What do you think? > Importing > We should be able to import CSV and TSV files directly into > any rectangle in a table, with the table expanding as necessary > to accomodate the > data. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 15:32:36 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8vbx-2ttknw-05-Cte.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:32:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8vbx-2ttknw-05-Cte; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8vbx-2ttknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:27:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8vbs-0003HC-6D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 14:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7532E052A3; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id at-aSEbKhTjx; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BFF1E051B4; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23B79E051E3 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnrgVx5IogMs for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24E8DE051B4 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31357 invoked by uid 89); 10 Apr 2011 14:27:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 10 Apr 2011 14:27:08 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:14:59 +0800 Message-ID: References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 649 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fYewJnVq8AEA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pP7LGWyH2cMDhZCpttIA:9 a=ZQe23g2BUW8cnApkbtoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=P3Da0p3kluh2BYEW:21 a=ImYwwXitbqEQ2pVr:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey > writes >>What might the spec. for fully supported tables look like, please? > Yes, tables would be good. A lot of added functionality, but also a lot > of work. > The table spec is below, makes me feel sad. After looking at the list below I don't blame you. Would it be possible to acquire Tablemate and incorporate/include it with OvPro? SNIP -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 16:47:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8wpN-4Te000-07-BgE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:47:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8wpN-4Te000-07-BgE; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:45:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8wpN-4Te000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:45:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8wpL-0006Rk-QZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:45:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16338E055DB; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCJu8AReZAVi; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78DE5E0559F; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEB76E055DB for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MRG0lbkM4gPG for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ADB3E0559F for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3AFiFDd006940 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:44:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1226cac151.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 650 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=wZ8Vzw4yAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NC3bJ0ZVKIjHTGo1w5sA:9 a=sHn_C4cixXBqjXoguIQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4bMActlRVe4A:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=f_0r1HK0unH5z-6d:21 a=MX_QzAfzO22sIvc-:21 On 10 Apr 2011 Ross McGuinness wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> In message <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey >> writes >>>What might the spec. for fully supported tables look like, please? >> Yes, tables would be good. A lot of added functionality, but also a lot >> of work. >> The table spec is below, makes me feel sad. > After looking at the list below I don't blame you. Would it be > possible to acquire Tablemate and incorporate/include it with OvPro? TableMate is now available from CJE; http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=DAL-TABDE2 (should be one line)but needs Aemulor on the Iyonix. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 10 17:02:38 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q8x3G-0B4knw-07-BSL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:02:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q8x3G-0B4knw-07-BSL; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:59:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q8x3G-0B4knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:59:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q8x3D-0001O3-9p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:59:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75695E05628; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uM88mWDQ47xW; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B269CE05619; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88AC4E05622 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9HtFduDnEW7w for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CD6FE05619 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q8x2v-0004Qv-b5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:59:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 16:57:54 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> <1226cac151.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1226cac151.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 651 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Qtx5TdRoDUA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EAn4DNNg-KzFlm05cMwA:9 a=6lZCByycYLBDRyn9T1IA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=11FI716jo7L9A7gP:21 a=NSpQN6urftNh8L8V:21 Hi, >TableMate is now available from CJE; Quite right. ISTR the matter being thrashed to death on comp.sys.acorn, the author having gone to NZ and not wanting to continue, CJE buying it out etc. etc. It is interesting that Computer Concepts saw the need for tables and came up with the idea of using tablemate. That was in the days when everyone said "oh we like lots of small apps that can work together", when they meant "we'd like one huge app that does everything called MicroSoft Word". It solved the problem quickly for CC and adding tables to Impression would not have been easy. Built in tables could do things tablemate can't, but I don't think I am about to do them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Squirrel-AuthUser: bonytaker@freeuk.com X-archive-position: 652 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bonytaker@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QwxTMoT1xusA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=-U4yWJ8CnawA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oblhNXLHtnT6-5meYAYA:9 a=w4IHsybUa8zzO3gee3QA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Hi all, add me to the list of contributers to the project. However can I add one caveat that it is also included in OvnPro for windose. Thanks, Tony Baker. >> > Encouragement? What kind, please? Do you mean the =A3sd kind, which = I >> > would gladly contribute towards an upgrade? > >> Enthusiastically seconded! > > Wholeheartedly thirded! > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:27:31 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9Ajv-4Fdknw-03-Eoi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:27:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9Ajv-4Fdknw-03-Eoi; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:36:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9Ajv-4Fdknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:36:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9Ajp-0007jN-9i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:36:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40AD0E04A06; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H9gtV3fe-7+e; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 336B3E038A0; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01AA2E03E71 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ibiDt8CAEP+q for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A46ADE038A0 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 02:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.bbailey.argonet.co.uk ([91.85.168.17]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3B6ZTso014694 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:35:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:34:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c2204a46bbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51c091f6e3bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c0be4895Paul@sprie.nl> <4A0938542C894E3FB8625920CF9F1A61@Shuttle> <51c0c9914bjack@ljsevans.co.uk> <51c19cf1e3dave@triffid.co.uk> <51c1b3442cbbailey@argonet.co.uk> <1226cac151.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bbailey@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qEjjSLkqi6oA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=PKd0TWqe1NoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PfPyymXm_GdckmNTZrYA:9 a=-rb9hL5ub5THNMa1dtoA:7 Hi > >TableMate is now available from CJE; > Quite right. ISTR the matter being thrashed to death on comp.sys.acorn, > the author having gone to NZ and not wanting to continue, CJE buying it > out etc. etc. > It is interesting that Computer Concepts saw the need for tables and > came up with the idea of using tablemate. > That was in the days when everyone said "oh we like lots of small apps > that can work together", when they meant "we'd like one huge app that > does everything called MicroSoft Word". Without wanting to go thoroughly off topic I note that Word documents, containing tables, when loaded into !EasiWriter don't appear to render properly and, for some reason not clear to me, become un-editable. > It solved the problem quickly for CC and adding tables to Impression > would not have been easy. > Built in tables could do things tablemate can't, but I don't think I am > about to do them. I was just about to say something similar. !TableMate is a very capable application, no doubt. But it doesn't allow all the typesetting capability of !OvatPro if that aspect is a critical issue in a project, which was something that I was alluding to previously. So it does need to be used with care if files are loaded into !OvatPro. However, just musing out loud, I wonder if !TableMate would be unduly difficult to convert into an Applet, perhaps. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:27:34 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9Bt6-2K5Vbs-07-DfX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:27:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9Bt6-2K5Vbs-07-DfX; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:50:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9Bt6-2K5Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:50:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9Bt6-0004wJ-1j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:50:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78101D51D06; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzAsxA+yUi+R; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DECCED51CC6; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3C86D51CCB for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cA1bNn74IsyE for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64A4BD51CC6 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 03:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.176.155]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3B7n9UU015349 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:49:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:49:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c2272574dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51c2204a46bbailey@argonet.co.uk> References: <51c2204a46bbailey@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 654 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KR5MIgd2fWAA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=Vt-lPvQP9RgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CKJm8Wk92ZY-XlijsosA:9 a=r5njBuLdRhq8K7DW8u4A:7 I've added my name to the list of yes' so don't read this post incorrectly. In the *meanwhile*, don't forget, a Table created in Eureka can be saved out as an ImpOLE file and put into OvPro. Thereafter Ctrl Double click will OLE it back to Eureka for editing, then F3 back to OvPro. Obviously not as convenient as a similar thing editable within OvPro, but useful... To be honest, while Yes to the subject of this thread, I feel a far, far more important job with OvPro remains to be done... And that is the inevitable Word Importer. As someone who uses OvPro on both OS platforms, that would be a lot more use than any other additions. Dave And no I don't use or want to use the Easithingy... Or is it the thing my friend has the Techthingy. ;-) D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:27:36 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9CX9-4VOVbs-08-D1U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:27:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9CX9-4VOVbs-08-D1U; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:31:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9CX9-4VOVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:31:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9CX5-0001DP-Du for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 08:31:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C52E5E05769; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YAuZsjthsCz6; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ADEFE056E8; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DEECE056E9 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JVbxboib9-ZR for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3B44E056E8 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3B8UUWx015818; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:30:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:31:14 +0100 Message-ID: <36fa2ac251.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <51c2204a46bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c2272574dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51c2272574dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 655 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dWlgEqVy8AheSHPOGo4A:9 a=FctOCmkDsDm0EkVVul4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=wQkEDHXK9QKfVM0W:21 a=VEBlAr-3jqYfR4Lj:21 On 11 Apr 2011 Dave Symes wrote: > I've added my name to the list of yes' so don't read this post incorrectly. > In the *meanwhile*, don't forget, a Table created in Eureka can be saved > out as an ImpOLE file and put into OvPro. > Thereafter Ctrl Double click will OLE it back to Eureka for editing, then > F3 back to OvPro. > Obviously not as convenient as a similar thing editable within OvPro, but > useful... And you can do just that with TableMate too! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:27:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9DK4-3gT000-02-CEZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:27:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9DK4-3gT000-02-CEZ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:22:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9DK4-3gT000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:22:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9DK1-0001kF-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:22:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 925C6E04104; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DQW427ogGYEt; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97874E03F36; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67F0DE03F4A for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0JmkIFTUv3mR for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141C2E03F36 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.bbailey.argonet.co.uk ([91.85.168.17]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3B9L2jr016841 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:21:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:21:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? Message-ID: <51c22f98eabbailey@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <36fa2ac251.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <51c2204a46bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <51c2272574dave@triffid.co.uk> <36fa2ac251.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 656 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bbailey@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qEjjSLkqi6oA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=PKd0TWqe1NoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3P3z0iqJQ4Eat-H6_NEA:9 a=jvsCyeNCOGxQFp3ic3kA:7 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=54d-_mE6rDexS8pa:21 a=oo1QLULD0LPJr4IM:21 In article <36fa2ac251.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] > > In the *meanwhile*, don't forget, a Table created in Eureka can be > > saved out as an ImpOLE file and put into OvPro. > > Thereafter Ctrl Double click will OLE it back to Eureka for editing, > > then F3 back to OvPro. > > Obviously not as convenient as a similar thing editable within OvPro, > > but useful... > And you can do just that with TableMate too! Indeed, you can. But I stopped doing things that way because I lost a lot of work through crashes. I now save out of !TableMate as Draw files and continue working that way within !OvatPro. Equally, I have also been able to continue editing those Draw files within !ArtWorks, and so ad infinitum. 8-) Cheers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:27:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9DKQ-2In000-04-CED.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:27:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9DKQ-2In000-04-CED; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9DKQ-2In000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9DKN-0004vq-GL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:22:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 810A4E046CD; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RR1AvslzppWA; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B48AE03F36; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CA85E040E1 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpfilO6ZcoAc for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8A6BE03F36 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110411092215.BKLA18231.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:22:15 +0100 Received: from web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com ([81.103.221.25]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110411092215.OOKU20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: <20110411102215.AZOGW.612166.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:22:15 +0100 From: Andy Marks To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? In-Reply-To: <36fa2ac251.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 194.216.126.15 by webmail.tesco.net; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:22:15 +0100 X-Mailer: 4.2.7 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=PFYKsJw7UrIA:10 a=VGi4Nqwp24wA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=fKgPPcxLAAAA:8 a=r43XYFHfbe62hMK5MygA:9 a=eCFCh5R8C1B_G6g1a0cA:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LYqoPf8_5tsA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=UDn-En3VtHs4_kWw:21 a=cTRxiOMcw6n7oQQN:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 657 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.marks@tesco.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=VGi4Nqwp24wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=fKgPPcxLAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r43XYFHfbe62hMK5MygA:9 a=LfAXiDtpy4v-TCngnW8A:7 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LYqoPf8_5tsA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=6TZ-bbIyNp2O0bmj:21 a=NdqnwJP5Ls0LccOZ:21 ---- Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 11 Apr 2011 Dave Symes wrote: > > > I've added my name to the list of yes' so don't read this post incorrectly. > > > In the *meanwhile*, don't forget, a Table created in Eureka can be saved > > out as an ImpOLE file and put into OvPro. > > > Thereafter Ctrl Double click will OLE it back to Eureka for editing, then > > F3 back to OvPro. > > > Obviously not as convenient as a similar thing editable within OvPro, but > > useful... > > And you can do just that with TableMate too! > The only thing wrong with TableMate for me is its lack of 32bit support. Whilst I can use it on an Iyonix (via Aemulor) it is of no use on more modern hardware, like the Beagleboard or the Touchbook. Does anyone know if CJE got anywhere with it as per this Drobe article of nearly two years ago: http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2501 Andy To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:27:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9DYR-3Z5000-08-C0C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:27:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9DYR-3Z5000-08-C0C; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:37:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9DYR-3Z5000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:37:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9DYO-0004oW-PQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:37:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1543E047F4; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGJGNs1Nhn77; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18A08E0414B; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:36:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6189E041AE for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:36:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LIpX0nUaYdwa for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 963FCE0414B for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 05:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3B9Ztkt017417 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:35:55 +0100 Received: from 194.106.46.76 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bd39) by webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:36:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <26458.194.106.46.76.1302514581.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110411102215.AZOGW.612166.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> References: <20110411102215.AZOGW.612166.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:36:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? From: "Andrew Conroy" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 658 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andrew@owlart.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e-oTvW9ZY5YA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=oVq2zNtD9JEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=fKgPPcxLAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fJD9rNgVOjoMrEUVaksA:9 a=JZtiWC8iikqbbJxAKqgA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=LYqoPf8_5tsA:10 On Mon, April 11, 2011 10:22 am, Andy Marks wrote: > The only thing wrong with TableMate for me is its lack of 32bit support= . > Whilst I can use it on an Iyonix (via Aemulor) it is of no use on more > modern hardware, like the Beagleboard or the Touchbook. Does anyone kno= w > if CJE got anywhere with it as per this Drobe article of nearly two yea= rs > ago: http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=3D2501 We're *still* waiting for the author to send us the full source code! Andrew --=20 Andrew Conroy (via Webmail) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 11:57:21 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9Emn-2IiVbs-08-Alq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:57:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9Emn-2IiVbs-08-Alq; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:56:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9Emn-2IiVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:56:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9Emk-0001Lb-A4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:56:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 433CAE03DDC; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k2qJO-Ald4bG; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BB5EE03D90; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34A08E03DDC for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id caZDxpPQsiRO for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFAB5E03D90 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 06:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q9EmS-0006oZ-gE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:55:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:54:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: <20110411102215.AZOGW.612166.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> <26458.194.106.46.76.1302514581.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <26458.194.106.46.76.1302514581.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S (<00qE8Nd1I+dJeRS90LB1TyErQU>) X-archive-position: 659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zIPh8nLNow4A:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CUzElw1UAAAA:8 a=J4bYTdbIAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=m5pPkDztoLXdiQS3XL8A:9 a=J6IXD36BeyM2cYrJGuMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aN_dsQuji08A:10 a=5vTlTjuJweBYKEbd:21 a=a13VyOGkE9mnuB32:21 Hi, In message <26458.194.106.46.76.1302514581.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Andrew Conroy writes >On Mon, April 11, 2011 10:22 am, Andy Marks wrote: >> The only thing wrong with TableMate for me is its lack of 32bit support. >> Whilst I can use it on an Iyonix (via Aemulor) it is of no use on more That's a bit sad, because a 32 bit port would probably consist of a recompile which would take seconds. A lot of source code does seem to have been lost. Says something. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 12:12:21 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9ErW-2nOVbs-08-Ah7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:12:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9ErW-2nOVbs-08-Ah7; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:00:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9ErW-2nOVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:00:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9ErT-000478-UM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:00:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 263F9E04B91; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g9MoZGZYYAyG; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB465E046C0; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AB8EE04706 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8RpxJLWM1F1L for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 616D6E046C0 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3BAxdDg018515 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:59:39 +0100 Received: from 194.106.46.76 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bd39) by webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:00:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <27321.194.106.46.76.1302519605.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <20110411102215.AZOGW.612166.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> <26458.194.106.46.76.1302514581.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:00:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? From: "Andrew Conroy" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 660 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andrew@owlart.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e-oTvW9ZY5YA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=oVq2zNtD9JEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R-ahpLMkS0XuxbvXzioA:9 a=7uGs9dsJONB-SePWQWoA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 On Mon, April 11, 2011 11:54 am, David Pilling wrote: > That's a bit sad, because a 32 bit port would probably consist of a > recompile which would take seconds. > > A lot of source code does seem to have been lost. > > Says something. The author says that he has all the source code to hand, he's just not been very good at actually sorting through it to send it to us! Andrew --=20 Andrew Conroy (via Webmail) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 11 12:27:22 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9FDX-1HdGPo-07-AL6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:27:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9FDX-1HdGPo-07-AL6; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:23:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9FDX-1HdGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:23:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9FDV-000632-Lt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:23:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9151E04FB1; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A40RuAkmKATo; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C38EE03CCA; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9CE5E03CE4 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B5XCUov8KYJN for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0544E03CCA for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q9FDE-00020H-iJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:23:20 +0000 Message-ID: <$m8PQNCpRuoNFwKv@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 12:22:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paragraph Rules? References: <20110411102215.AZOGW.612166.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> <26458.194.106.46.76.1302514581.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <27321.194.106.46.76.1302519605.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <27321.194.106.46.76.1302519605.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 661 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eJ_YnKqn5qkA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CUzElw1UAAAA:8 a=J4bYTdbIAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9X5ghoZ9jBig1cztd2wA:9 a=mI6BmJTkrQ6s-40n1XEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aN_dsQuji08A:10 a=NZcDlhKRYhVe8ys9:21 a=kvKbEsvFtgt5RypP:21 Hi, In message <27321.194.106.46.76.1302519605.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Andrew Conroy writes >The author says that he has all the source code to hand, he's just not >been very good at actually sorting through it to send it to us! Authors may worry about many things, are they going to get loads of work answering queries, are "things" going to be found in the source code, like bits of copyright code from Acorn. Maybe you should offer him an agreement, no questions and you take full responsibility for the consequences. Also might be worth pointing out that at this stage of the game no one cares. The days when Acorn waved a big stick are long gone. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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From: "Andrew Conroy" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 662 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andrew@owlart.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e-oTvW9ZY5YA:10 a=KP1YZAzTrKYA:10 a=oVq2zNtD9JEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=CUzElw1UAAAA:8 a=J4bYTdbIAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pcsd7dR7hbO0Q3dJjK8A:9 a=uNwG-ni2vOB2GHhQHogA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=aN_dsQuji08A:10 On Mon, April 11, 2011 12:22 pm, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message > <27321.194.106.46.76.1302519605.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk>, > Andrew Conroy writes >>The author says that he has all the source code to hand, he's just not >>been very good at actually sorting through it to send it to us! > > Authors may worry about many things, are they going to get loads of wor= k > answering queries, are "things" going to be found in the source code, > like bits of copyright code from Acorn. > > Maybe you should offer him an agreement, no questions and you take full > responsibility for the consequences. Also might be worth pointing out > that at this stage of the game no one cares. The days when Acorn waved = a > big stick are long gone. I believe that we have done (I don't get involved in that side of things)= , it's just that it's so far down his list of priorities that it never make= s it to the top of his things-to-do list :-( Andrew --=20 Andrew Conroy (via Webmail) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 13 11:41:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9xJ8-2W4knw-01-8s5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:41:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9xJ8-2W4knw-01-8s5; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:28:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9xJ8-2W4knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:28:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9xJ5-0000HW-A5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:28:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D07AE06E91; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ErxXtSFEKqfm; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08F5DE0449A; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9E18E044DA for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YBritZdiHsqA for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.vanderhoff.org.uk (shell.vanderhoff.org.uk [77.73.7.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2D25E0449A for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (magpieway.net [87.127.17.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shell.vanderhoff.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AA0B22C1C0 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:28:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4DA57AAF.3060008@vanderhoff.org> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:27:59 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro Win version Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 663 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9FJ4r2J2y_QA:10 a=e_67Qh5VtT8A:10 a=bfWCP2TsLAkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kc4GN9xLSN6lhqta9NsA:9 a=XEV-sn03MBLV7IazVzIA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 I have just installed OvnPro Win on my Ubuntu laptop in order to resurrect some old documents from a RISC OS archive. I'm pleased to report that it appears to run fine under WINE 1.2.2, although I haven't tested all features. Having installed it from an old CD, it identifies itself as Version 2.75 (05 Nov 05). Checking on the web site, I find that the latest version is 1.08 (28th July 2010). Has the version numbering been restarted? Is it worth upgrading? I would quite like to create a new CD from the latest version; is there an ISO image available? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 13 11:56:16 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Q9xdm-2GBVbs-03-8XR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:56:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Q9xdm-2GBVbs-03-8XR; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:49:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Q9xdm-2GBVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:49:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Q9xdk-00046l-93 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:49:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FE00E0446E; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ACuAuhF1U8xB; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0481E04427; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A59BE04435 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jDeeYXYAZ9LR for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 281E5E04427 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 06:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Q9xdQ-0002hA-Yg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:49:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5vdeClAq9XpNFwTw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 11:48:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro Win version References: <4DA57AAF.3060008@vanderhoff.org> In-Reply-To: <4DA57AAF.3060008@vanderhoff.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 664 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RYSmHrJDGdcA:10 a=Ak0-QGZTcmcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=soQNqbbTTOvS8h2_lcMA:9 a=x4PgxanDa7F-Apb-NO8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 a=lQ-Lf4JorIq4zUnF:21 a=q7s0gm3yAVd-4vCi:21 Hi, In message <4DA57AAF.3060008@vanderhoff.org>, Tony van der Hoff writes >I'm pleased to report that it appears to run fine under WINE 1.2.2, >although I haven't tested all features. Sounds good, I wonder if they have sorted out the problems, which presumably improving the Windows emulation would do. >Having installed it from an old CD, it identifies itself as Version >2.75 (05 Nov 05). Checking on the web site, I find that the latest >version is 1.08 (28th July 2010). Has the version numbering been >restarted? Is it worth upgrading? You've got the program version, and the CD version. Doesn't make sense to compare the two. >I would quite like to create a new CD from the latest version; is there >an ISO image available? No. It would make things more difficult for me. I guess you want a tool, that does a sync between a web site and a disc folder. wget springs to mind but I don't know if it does sync, or just get. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 25 21:16:17 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QESBf-0M3GPo-08-BIa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:16:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QESBf-0M3GPo-08-BIa; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QESBf-0M3GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QESBc-0001pw-4r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:15:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EC6AE08EA1; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:15:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303762509; bh=BCypR6fZbTeIv2F/Ner71OMxCZKUCCS+jeiY7qXA 7wg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=nJYliTu81/WUP8LFTrYEU8bak/z55 L04sDnUqP3vkZ/WNcf7z5yj68nRk/lCl7Bmf147b//40WvFM3zk/aYKQwgPt3qHYzfP slyVKIehaoAu6rEHR32c2APthfuVAD7QnuypgBw+86e6Bkjc+JRkG1x/2cxqW8C9hCn hK/GF97U= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aOczZpCOfl-z; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C7D7E0857B; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303762508; bh=BCypR6fZbTeIv2F/Ner71OMxCZKUCCS+jeiY7qXA 7wg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=b8053eVETnqZtBvBPlNexKO0RVOVJ Lbs6J31j6NlLsu40UU4h01MJCQ5o0lOJO7tZSe8Y5zGh7VD9hkEUV+f+uN35kLh587p ivol4maw9YP/77b82YF63tYX/ABaH4QhEZMMaAxCTAu9WFfw5XbU7KGsWKEJIlSoJxC 412v6XVk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71E2EE08C31 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id btZc5lWtsn2g for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA8F6E0857B for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QESBI-0004l8-cG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:14:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 21:13:51 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Colour Supplemt 1.17 - dogged by Beagle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 665 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=660Lx_LIbjUA:10 a=5P_EJ6ZQSfEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4GaTLWWT1vUJDI4d6TsA:9 a=nGzazP0Y1yHhjeYL3BcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Dp112mN0qfki7YxQ:21 a=S6pSRVT3zqLLBmcN:21 Hi, When the Beagle landed, it was obvious that the correct thing to do was to recompile everything using the new compiler settings. I opted to not do that because it would have involved a lot of work, both for me and you. Instead the idea was to only fix the things that needed fixing, and it seemed that problems would show up quickly. This approach means turning a known problem into unknown bugs. Anyway, I've been bitten again, it seems that if image processing is used in Ovation Pro, then without address exceptions turned off OP will crash on Beagle. I have sorted this out by recompiling the colour supplement. You may have been thinking that because OP had been recompiled there could be no more problems - not so, all the compiled applets (about six) also potentially need recompiling. So if you have Beagle, anyone got RComps new machine?, off you go to this URL: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/applets/files/colsup.zip and install version 1.17 of the colour supplement. I do not know what the precise problem was, recompiling seemed an easier way out that tracking down the exact piece of code. They do this sort of thing much better in the land of Windows, last night my lap top informed me it was adding 7000 fixes to Windows. I'll bet someone knows what they all do, and why they're being added, but I expect they're not allowed to say. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 26 20:51:27 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QEo3r-3Zzknw-05-Ezw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:51:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QEo3r-3Zzknw-05-Ezw; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:36:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QEo3r-3Zzknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:36:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QEo3j-0002Pf-NX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:36:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51102E07F73; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303841635; bh=zzI3FSv9i0Jq8HHMLbmke3uLxiV4Q+AsneqFIrKT C+E=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Na1lFicNCFNanVVktQu3z2AhGz+YE b4+/g6g6W2DDjPX7lrZYpo4Bf0rgnmgir/BBwS5KVhyPJm6F90RVexQIPs+6W5Nj1UF 5U5VosGmLHNL9NO1HIIJXRWIgTmVWRkvGfYG+jR8mU8lWMT/gv19fVurXVEyx8IlTsb 4WZx2N5E= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eIclyL7D7VEH; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A690E07E16; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303841634; bh=zzI3FSv9i0Jq8HHMLbmke3uLxiV4Q+AsneqFIrKT C+E=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vgGs0B68MhQyrTVSexWusoV6qENFF hBk6UdIKREzTDg0XzllrzTbuoFjWB9/tJNCKTrK3t96/NLWi0lJT17S1HhvWHAcY07s 1FJM0nGjXY8JHNWPEDbovkAm06yI5rk1xJ0Z5WfMJ75S27ZaQpb44SHa4FSneDXnw8B QM7qVU4k= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A4B0E07E27 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DB-vW-Zkq4ds for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61E97E07E16 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3QIDRHj006437 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:13:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Cropping in DPlngScan To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:13:24 +0100 Message-ID: <99d019ca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 666 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=GIM9e6rKpTsA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=apguuPVV2Hm7eSrz8CoA:9 a=645x2W-JW0ySJ5hnIHcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=099ayNTIOnmCh4Ub:21 a=QvpyD9MxlvW0W6x8:21 I must be doing something wrong, as I'm sure I've managed to crop images in DPlngScan before, but I can't seem to be able to do it now. I did read the manual, but the paper manual I have (rather old) doesn't mention cropping as far as I can see. In the end, I had to use Translator to remove my thumb from an otherwise rather good photo, and I don't like that app so much. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 26 21:36:29 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QEomC-011knw-07-EHb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:36:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QEomC-011knw-07-EHb; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:22:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QEomC-011knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:22:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QEom5-0004iY-7V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:22:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3D3BE087F6; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303848564; bh=UpYKkH7ZsLTr4t1mMBivC2Kw6+zmlKX62vRBKDx5 Ngc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jRC1YWe+WbaKafh4YlIOXA0N+PfiR7arMZq+EsIPJTAM0+LIJX i0CgVmNiCQ5dZPpYH7mhyyCFqTlc9YHALaNgBZVkfNzN/9RisB/qrsXwesNNM19RR// DjYpMoPmr5jj/NYECIuww3halsPZrStTNw80HXeDgMlDC+WGFAw7ug= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cJdsezxdxHOG; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 473D0E08713; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303848564; bh=UpYKkH7ZsLTr4t1mMBivC2Kw6+zmlKX62vRBKDx5 Ngc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jRC1YWe+WbaKafh4YlIOXA0N+PfiR7arMZq+EsIPJTAM0+LIJX i0CgVmNiCQ5dZPpYH7mhyyCFqTlc9YHALaNgBZVkfNzN/9RisB/qrsXwesNNM19RR// DjYpMoPmr5jj/NYECIuww3halsPZrStTNw80HXeDgMlDC+WGFAw7ug= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22089E086D8 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Arc6FbVXtcLo for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FB5DE09CB5 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QEoU8-0006cU-mJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:03:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:02:27 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cropping in DPlngScan References: <99d019ca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99d019ca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 667 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=l8z5gPmJ6QUA:10 a=1dgYGnlUPUEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pwQ0qIrULKJwO92Utw4A:9 a=qvwvaQ8R9XHqSpLxJxYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=L8ZJXDV63cY37lJa:21 a=Pm06Awvw0t4qoS_z:21 Hi, In message <99d019ca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >I must be doing something wrong, as I'm sure I've managed to crop >images in DPlngScan before, but I can't seem to be able to do it now. Select the rectangular selection tool, drag out the area you want to keep, select 'crop' from the edit menu. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3QLEYMd011078 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:14:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cropping in DPlngScan To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:14:22 +0100 Message-ID: <4a622aca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <99d019ca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 668 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=1dgYGnlUPUEA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OmMc3k8fuv1ewOIsAfQA:9 a=J1i7OP6eT7Zk-kjC53IA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=i_34BFhaQpsLT4SA:21 a=Pv0MPh1kxK8U_gwy:21 On 26 Apr 2011 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <99d019ca51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > writes >>I must be doing something wrong, as I'm sure I've managed to crop >>images in DPlngScan before, but I can't seem to be able to do it now. > Select the rectangular selection tool, drag out the area you want to > keep, select 'crop' from the edit menu. Many thanks, perfect. I've saved this message in my Graphics directory, for the next time that I forget :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Application Sprite Plotting Cache Sprites Cache Windows ----------- --------------- ------------- ------------- Filer ticked ticked ticked Artworks ticked ticked ticked Ovation Pro ? ? ? SwiftJPEG ticked ticked ticked Other apps off off off Geminus comes from: http://adrianl.drobe.co.uk/geminus.html -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 27 21:53:01 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QEyxL-4Vr000-03-Ccy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:53:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QEyxL-4Vr000-03-Ccy; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:14:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QEyxL-4Vr000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:14:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QEyxJ-000121-Tm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 07:14:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8BBDE094EA; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303888474; bh=OvnlmSvcAtGXvH4ETvtO/oM1cBoELfZb3GLU/8B2 fE0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=gG+CXzJjguUcGcXtkXneOK/A5ZJ7AmlzOA0N4Egkw6ktXZ2tCk jz2uJ7rgB5GWvPp5ERySrnPJIuSOUw+mqt/2sa1ylx30T2135Dr+ecTBgQWu5rXETlW bys9dPwRbCj3TNrtdSJt9Ix+N+ScPY7iy6SiVjhQKWDWhVWyYVSgbM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sEOMGrLIJH0B; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31364E090B0; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303888473; bh=OvnlmSvcAtGXvH4ETvtO/oM1cBoELfZb3GLU/8B2 fE0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LMpq7xUt3jX24dpml7l3rKqsHESzhMipiR/d/JGuuETWNvPYnD F0sVO2wTtbsiMYQ2rlD0M1lZ9SGhXT18jH5XSelhBJX22Iawk1IWwYiWLyzfpIlNJhk VE7l5agAA0GJTv/2l+lsBgUHWXpHVMZe8IoNdMLO7NIPDpUDEXwr0Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06848E094AB for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YMiea6gduRNV for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 779F2E090B0 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 03:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3R7EHkC013828 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:14:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:12:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 670 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L5nd55PI0akDPxdw934A:9 a=5tPjKFai0rBIOi3FiG4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=Q-srQ27BfH5pV-wE:21 a=h6Mk9Ssqdq2kaztA:21 On 27 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: > Just wondering what Geminus acceleration settings people are using > with Ovation Pro on the Iyonix PC please? > eg. > Application Sprite Plotting Cache Sprites Cache Windows > ----------- --------------- ------------- ------------- > Filer ticked ticked ticked > Artworks ticked ticked ticked > Ovation Pro ? ? ? > SwiftJPEG ticked ticked ticked > Other apps off off off FWIW I don't have OPro in the Geminus settings, so presumably it comes under "Other apps", in which I, unlike you, have the three ticks. No problems here that I'm aware of. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAA6CE0A302 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:52:13 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkYHAEY+uU3Unw4U/2dsb2JhbACYT40vd4hwuXeFdgSScIl2 Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 28 Apr 2011 11:18:31 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QFOIo-00032p-Fe for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:18:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:18:15 +0100 Message-ID: <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 671 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TqzEbjCSYLSnzhb0qB8A:9 a=XzNn1UzWwAgvAWdIBJUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=EK34uxHEIPZGQkV6:21 a=6VscGnhvHUqEOsh9:21 In message Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 27 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: >> Just wondering what Geminus acceleration settings people are using >> with Ovation Pro on the Iyonix PC please? >> eg. >> Application Sprite Plotting Cache Sprites Cache Windows >> ----------- --------------- ------------- ------------- >> Filer ticked ticked ticked >> Artworks ticked ticked ticked >> Ovation Pro ? ? ? >> SwiftJPEG ticked ticked ticked >> Other apps off off off > FWIW I don't have OPro in the Geminus settings, so presumably it comes > under "Other apps", in which I, unlike you, have the three ticks. No > problems here that I'm aware of. > With best wishes, > Peter. Is Peter Young the only Ovation Pro user with Geminus? I asked because I have had the above three OvPro options ticked for years now with no known problems but recently the black sliders in the 'OvPro > Picture > Process' window have stopped displaying when you change the values and I found that switching the Geminus 'Cache Windows' OFF (not ticked) brought them back to life. As you have the three Geminus options ticked Peter - Do the sliders work OK for you please? Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 28 13:36:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QFQOG-3HD000-01-Alb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:36:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QFQOG-3HD000-01-Alb; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:32:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QFQOG-3HD000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:32:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QFQO5-0002tg-Aj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:32:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3170BE0A742; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303993744; bh=unedi4ptCRLnQ9xaBizUWEWQKS620tUib5ur1vBn Tk8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=H4lHep9/2zqLZZ85KyfqZ+ZaGdqftLPsF9Vk1fqFYVFeHk+grC UwfcKc+0+TfC5h/CoVSXDfxG23uygsvScT/cytV5hcbXADmL3HNq1ShO4MBspj0zBAC lJIRY4x2zsFi6ikHFAFXrsYMoXykKUQ9+EaI4/+ygAXKKtGacF6N7A= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2BPdRZlxA5DA; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58DD1E0A648; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:28:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1303993743; bh=unedi4ptCRLnQ9xaBizUWEWQKS620tUib5ur1vBn Tk8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FM+2V3QqcaFztwq+t5FfCxHqMTt2iPhcraF1tF+gfbJ9yshUVB sown6zNorlyEvo1T1NtvPvytaBlBWaAkRjIPBgHDUTarbODC/dsPOUDlU2bHg5R812v zRjp/fJQGrDOG6x+JM5ZTC5aBMax4vaePuKorFzSAosycNoGzsrpdA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:28:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24BDAE0A657 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:28:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCn9+62+DEhp for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27938E0A648 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3SCSHdG015564 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:28:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 672 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GLFvCTEShSY9HOWrYQwA:9 a=JalLxSCkMmwspUTZy0UA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=B7xXSkUVz6rnFjkd:21 a=3cXtpTpvKSeg4pNt:21 On 28 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: > In message > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 27 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: >>> Just wondering what Geminus acceleration settings people are using >>> with Ovation Pro on the Iyonix PC please? >>> eg. >>> Application Sprite Plotting Cache Sprites Cache Windows >>> ----------- --------------- ------------- ------------- >>> Filer ticked ticked ticked >>> Artworks ticked ticked ticked >>> Ovation Pro ? ? ? >>> SwiftJPEG ticked ticked ticked >>> Other apps off off off >> FWIW I don't have OPro in the Geminus settings, so presumably it comes >> under "Other apps", in which I, unlike you, have the three ticks. No >> problems here that I'm aware of. >> With best wishes, >> Peter. > Is Peter Young the only Ovation Pro user with Geminus? > I asked because I have had the above three OvPro options ticked for > years now with no known problems but recently the black sliders in the > 'OvPro > Picture > Process' window have stopped displaying when you > change the values and I found that switching the Geminus 'Cache > Windows' OFF (not ticked) brought them back to life. > As you have the three Geminus options ticked Peter - Do the sliders > work OK for you please? I had to do a quick experiment, as I hardy ever use pictures in OPro. Therefore, I'm not totally sure what you men; if you mean by sliders the black bits in the parts of the window that say "brightness" and so on, the answer is yes. Both the nudge buttons and dragging on the sliders has an effect. Let me know if I'm getting this all wrong, though! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3224AE0ABFE for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:24:47 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkYHAKlpuU3Unw4U/2dsb2JhbACYT40vd4hwukyFdgSScIl2 Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 28 Apr 2011 14:24:35 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QFRCt-0002PG-6G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:24:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:24:17 +0100 Message-ID: <970407cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 673 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nLnOqOm65fgQ7Qhu73AA:9 a=7ph4AdQwfPIaaCslhqQA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=1m59RsQDduTiQVD4:21 a=ymbDLAO8bq-i_wpK:21 In message Dr Peter Young wrote: >> As you have the three Geminus options ticked Peter - Do the sliders >> work OK for you please? > I had to do a quick experiment, as I hardy ever use pictures in OPro. > Therefore, I'm not totally sure what you men; if you mean by sliders > the black bits in the parts of the window that say "brightness" and so > on, the answer is yes. Both the nudge buttons and dragging on the > sliders has an effect. Let me know if I'm getting this all wrong, > though! > With best wishes, > Peter. Yes, that's the black sliders. When you drag the sliders do the black bar bits follow the mouse pointer as they should do? Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 28 16:21:29 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QFSpy-0VFGPo-04-GqP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:21:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QFSpy-0VFGPo-04-GqP; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:09:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QFSpy-0VFGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:09:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QFSpv-0005nh-EX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:09:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7F68E0A493; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1304003337; bh=DaBQnMft28FbaTHoNEYDzfh6gW5fbcz6YqnTsqg+ UFQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=wfFl83U7P7i9twuO9ZROlw5fxzy5Yf19gPq5zBgJJcfBsaPbOI JCLpwR3oKAY7GbvDIXSydjxZJCAP2AEXgazTh3STxd/8gg155LArSuU+um859uqgZtV AtRQUqa79Kie2z6ifj5VUiY1+5dCmZ4/O3N3PMfOl9L0LsDa8CaQmw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dL8zNjeSDYwo; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B9A2E0A79F; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1304003337; bh=DaBQnMft28FbaTHoNEYDzfh6gW5fbcz6YqnTsqg+ UFQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=wfFl83U7P7i9twuO9ZROlw5fxzy5Yf19gPq5zBgJJcfBsaPbOI JCLpwR3oKAY7GbvDIXSydjxZJCAP2AEXgazTh3STxd/8gg155LArSuU+um859uqgZtV AtRQUqa79Kie2z6ifj5VUiY1+5dCmZ4/O3N3PMfOl9L0LsDa8CaQmw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3780E0A7BE for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKL-pLPm4v0M for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C63FE0A79F for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3SF8cXH019104 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:08:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:52:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <970407cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <970407cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 674 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UMsW3tsfqd7aC8JyPC8A:9 a=Y0uwI-b58ap8jEjSGV8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=zaFPrLs-VPdC6I2z:21 a=tOCwVYuvo920v9wu:21 On 28 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: > In message > Dr Peter Young wrote: >>> As you have the three Geminus options ticked Peter - Do the sliders >>> work OK for you please? >> I had to do a quick experiment, as I hardy ever use pictures in OPro. >> Therefore, I'm not totally sure what you men; if you mean by sliders >> the black bits in the parts of the window that say "brightness" and so >> on, the answer is yes. Both the nudge buttons and dragging on the >> sliders has an effect. Let me know if I'm getting this all wrong, >> though! >> With best wishes, >> Peter. > Yes, that's the black sliders. When you drag the sliders do the black > bar bits follow the mouse pointer as they should do? Yes, but they don't shrink again when you try to slide them back. The bump icons still work, though, but without affecting the sliders. I probably have different, and perhaps less, applets than you, so maybe there's a conflict somewhere? With best wishes, Peter. 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Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At8HAPaNuU3Unw4U/2dsb2JhbACYUY0yd4hwuj6FdgSScIl2 Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 28 Apr 2011 16:56:35 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QFTZy-0006Vx-TX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:56:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:56:22 +0100 Message-ID: <0ff114cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <970407cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 675 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wSBu9ot6SEXJ2-D9P6gA:9 a=AdYRrGXV9wtOziqNkNYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=QW_kBVodtidqVVRR:21 a=JdX3Hr59JSghS0gK:21 Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 28 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: >> Dr Peter Young wrote: >>>> As you have the three Geminus options ticked Peter - Do the sliders >>>> work OK for you please? >>> I had to do a quick experiment, as I hardy ever use pictures in OPro. >>> Therefore, I'm not totally sure what you men; if you mean by sliders >>> the black bits in the parts of the window that say "brightness" and so >>> on, the answer is yes. Both the nudge buttons and dragging on the >>> sliders has an effect. Let me know if I'm getting this all wrong, >>> though! >>> With best wishes, >>> Peter. >> Yes, that's the black sliders. When you drag the sliders do the black >> bar bits follow the mouse pointer as they should do? > Yes, but they don't shrink again when you try to slide them back. The > bump icons still work, though, but without affecting the sliders. > I probably have different, and perhaps less, applets than you, so > maybe there's a conflict somewhere? > With best wishes, > Peter. So if you temporarily switch the Geminus 'Cache windows' off, does that improve the black sliders? 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Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9805E0A7DB for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.38]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p3SG5BcH020759 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:05:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Geminus settings with Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:05:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <158b59ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <84fcf5ca51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <970407cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <0ff114cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <0ff114cb51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=vHVvAdnhKDkA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=shrjyKfMXbVXkMUMkQ0A:9 a=RBS51iQizcEeeVl6G-kA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=ZZ2RrfqX-88aH3vG:21 a=LMAyhyWSVJZqRAzt:21 On 28 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 28 Apr 2011 Bernard wrote: >>> Dr Peter Young wrote: >>>>> As you have the three Geminus options ticked Peter - Do the sliders >>>>> work OK for you please? >>>> I had to do a quick experiment, as I hardy ever use pictures in OPro. >>>> Therefore, I'm not totally sure what you men; if you mean by sliders >>>> the black bits in the parts of the window that say "brightness" and so >>>> on, the answer is yes. Both the nudge buttons and dragging on the >>>> sliders has an effect. Let me know if I'm getting this all wrong, >>>> though! >>>> With best wishes, >>>> Peter. >>> Yes, that's the black sliders. When you drag the sliders do the black >>> bar bits follow the mouse pointer as they should do? >> Yes, but they don't shrink again when you try to slide them back. The >> bump icons still work, though, but without affecting the sliders. >> I probably have different, and perhaps less, applets than you, so >> maybe there's a conflict somewhere? >> With best wishes, >> Peter. > So if you temporarily switch the Geminus 'Cache windows' off, does > that improve the black sliders? I've added OPro to the Geminus list, with all three icons unticked. Yes, that makes the sliders work properly! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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