From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 5 22:09:54 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PabX9-18l000-07-9rQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:09:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PabX9-18l000-07-9rQ; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:08:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PabX9-18l000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:08:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PabX8-0007ax-6z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:08:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42FA4D59D36; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:08:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294265320; bh=eiATP56qHFwM9LPFbcm5+FUySuHztuOVMN5P/yNX dM0=; h=Date:From:Subject:In-reply-to:To:Message-id:MIME-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:References:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=I0beNbNCI2DCma4LvNMVUN3r9qwIn249TUQcnGyP cLIqU/xU7o4aziufxvQvUR8nOdqHM9QBnHH96hZrX7ynbDG5f8Hg3V1srVCZ6+AP4VI sUUAfnSla0gqZx7coISDDE6ki/EWz4NhxoiXWKHQ+QTxnWvZg8rwWGnQ+3OYyDQk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id es1ODnWPt8On; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65F2FD599BE; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:08:26 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294265319; bh=eiATP56qHFwM9LPFbcm5+FUySuHztuOVMN5P/yNX dM0=; h=Date:From:Subject:In-reply-to:To:Message-id:MIME-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:References:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=XbWgYspwcI/ITDqC2Ayezz3/McIu1YzxXlYLqhat WfWW1+ZFYGpNsf6Q28cEWSTHs6mdwSbhiK23gZNtirNbC0hO3+Icd6/41mJKj9ZZNjP YEOA4LPpTDmiTdMmsTuUmCPGpqfYPovfgMatOXEIvt4sIiAJCLIPvmSaEdhQweeo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ADC5D59A0B for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AR2wB4lgQeRD for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46605D599BE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (121-72-219-90.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.72.219.90]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0LEK00415LHXXE00@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:08:22 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:10:09 +1300 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro (Wind) spelling In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 X-archive-position: 401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: list@clear.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nk0mhfH3MO8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zQg0Z5CDAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Z2DMhwCjuHGTK1G2hgUA:9 a=HckWdQkZSOygprADz2MA:7 a=bsBdcveeqJPSSUsdRvp9aoBJ0qgA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? v2.92 trial Brian -- Auckland New Zealand www.adam.co.nz To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 5 22:24:53 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pabcc-46yknw-04-9lx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:24:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pabcc-46yknw-04-9lx; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:14:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pabcc-46yknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:14:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PabcQ-0007B3-2I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:14:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C574D58F1D; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:13:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294265637; bh=rNA5Ophx4suBcOruu+c9QiyfY6pH9DL52zwx5w0z CjQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=BSzEf8eS75QazieYZlxEhe4cys4ylOB6VRrj4VHC qdvDD+rYk7Us39CsTaxbDX2axfRjZ+kSkz2hOnTM0XtN9s0UYQ30tYTzyNho/EsQYbu hx36hxd7h8a+GDbh9k8anQW0u4DDP4d8FoWwFUGZ/SAfRIW4UQgPUGQEZydgcHFM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRrZzAoX6gxH; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3285CD59292; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:13:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294265636; bh=rNA5Ophx4suBcOruu+c9QiyfY6pH9DL52zwx5w0z CjQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=xt8MBVlSvLlrlMyS7zlfvzhalXhpj5Fpv89LxKTZ PTKZVREQHTTeG1QxuhUgQ/mm18HoK95/MkHBPYqZnGJC2meqGKV3MnMzyOSLS1AZAxr pFKx7uQgz3hZaUwVlYYs7HwjsGp5HRjB/AmmS/XQPxPXb3R6IBhU/j0WuMZ5ma/g= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:13:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10744D5A224 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:13:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SYy7TGnCliCn for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.243]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0992D59292 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsYBAH97JE1cHcEG/2dsb2JhbAAMlX3OJIVMBI5D X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,279,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="475213514" Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.0.13]) ([92.29.193.6]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 05 Jan 2011 22:13:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4D24ED13.6000702@talktalk.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:13:39 +0000 From: Steve Yandell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 402 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steyan@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hLNGrRsPNcPLMvgNCTMA:9 a=a9DmAbeHJVjSO-cdCm0A:7 a=ODzq-Kl0k0CLy9RrmuLTKVSXOYQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 On 05/01/2011 22:10, brian wrote: > Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? > > v2.92 trial > > Brian It might depend on how fast you want your paper to go! (Ouch!) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 5 22:39:53 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pabod-0etVbs-01-9Zw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:39:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pabod-0etVbs-01-9Zw; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pabod-0etVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PaboS-0002EA-3t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:26:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82734D5AF00; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294266393; bh=+80jcCoFGfpHoVBwHrzFu9N7LUvFtMNx2w5/6+/T pO8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l0Ykf0WbHeJtBO6j5m76PpkxD3V0sT0JvLNIcu525gFct3VlJE 8Pi4jHEm0+QpDIXNQXIwgfR61JpilsmA3fSVQ2qhrr+3aOBy0/pSgkG19W+qKkp3jcl VT8SuwhSwU9aG7KZGFNjzvKj3dhM+zvXiJI2sooA5vfBOGfbwMGgAg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DFRGz8mQfpS; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEBB5D59B73; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294266392; bh=+80jcCoFGfpHoVBwHrzFu9N7LUvFtMNx2w5/6+/T pO8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=JgwaRbzzKv+lRcR2jG0mJ0ZUIseOQ+TU0M95r8NM4rfh9VZgFt yHcrsu8i7pEUo6aPJHGFtEtbtnpD+VYI794LI0heuuMnZayif2eOT80qSO3gzDkoiI4 xV8a3GCHSsVpGm1k1HPRBaVoarMfWv0Gr1hucBoB6Cx7o5KZX2dCB8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:26:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBF07D5A42D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rqeHllDJhrfj for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5F7AD59B73 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p05MPdB5024141 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 22:25:43 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling (OT) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:25:34 GMT Message-ID: <081d079151.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D24ED13.6000702@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <4D24ED13.6000702@talktalk.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 403 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6F7dA4chiYQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hm3AC3mm9Z7Es1BYWhUA:9 a=hVuP6t9aOZqctIX05LUA:7 a=0VA4uWvqJi70vKmmwB6OTuEseKcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=BnGL6ReMQAyrIA34:21 a=6pnMqRUOqKP2403z:21 On 5 Jan 2011 Steve Yandell wrote: > On 05/01/2011 22:10, brian wrote: >> Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? >> >> v2.92 trial >> >> Brian > It might depend on how fast you want your paper to go! > (Ouch!) In one of the classrooms at the school where the late and much-missed S(WMBO)+(WILAC) used to do her voluntary work, one cupboard was labelled "Stationary cupboard". Someone had written underneath the label, "Well, it hasn't moved yet". With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 6 17:41:39 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pacnc-2rP000-06-8ax.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:41:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pacnc-2rP000-06-8ax; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:29:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pacnc-2rP000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:29:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PacnX-0001en-PL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2BABD5A521; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:29:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294270181; bh=mBlegNBxgYdqyp0ctjfaPb9EhP8sEoMCNqFijyWp yQc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=G/yJDReoeLXPCQIaZK4SRL73RFLPl1/34G8vaGAY8wFETGdoB3 ybyv3x2L8vfLuFBeNYjqnDLc2dhESmrCzlkS92R9t76xnWAQlmBq6wuXclr9ILnnBIh +u2NaY5VP50aE6TfMpv1gthCBP3eZ/uyADTXUQl05x/Yb+0o+w34XA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VXUk4cpLSpdj; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17BC9D5A069; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:29:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294270181; bh=mBlegNBxgYdqyp0ctjfaPb9EhP8sEoMCNqFijyWp yQc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=G/yJDReoeLXPCQIaZK4SRL73RFLPl1/34G8vaGAY8wFETGdoB3 ybyv3x2L8vfLuFBeNYjqnDLc2dhESmrCzlkS92R9t76xnWAQlmBq6wuXclr9ILnnBIh +u2NaY5VP50aE6TfMpv1gthCBP3eZ/uyADTXUQl05x/Yb+0o+w34XA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:29:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF47AD59EE3 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:29:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wKQ-Ho-U9myu for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF83BD5930D for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 18:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PacnF-0000OZ-lr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:29:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 23:28:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=i9cQR3VaAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=k6YwbYSFT7DErgJyLd8A:9 a=qJsG7EoDwX238j6lyAEA:7 a=Hawn6-2fjMBTGvPApkXEsiBXtWwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2Oh-ObbWGWiIV2vk:21 a=wMzYlHz7a5dY8Tfx:21 Hi, In message <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz>, brian writes >Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? Where? There is the "man walks in to a shop and says 'do you keep stationery'" joke. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 6 17:41:42 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Paeow-1ZKGPo-01-F69.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:41:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Paeow-1ZKGPo-01-F69; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:39:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Paeow-1ZKGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:39:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Paeot-0001T0-Cw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:39:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6ECDD5C83F; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:39:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294277953; bh=gb64+2342He26P34uansgrHDMqwl4bfFyeppTy9P MRU=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=XgeRGBNBpETlHg PT6sENteLdmY7kxA2iO6pcAk83IUR9PQE4yS5bXlRCuFeag/0GdOpMHPLkKtXR6JqGh jUqG7IfiWg43ilZyfWg/74XOoK4n/zQO5vgAL5cS/TA+RdGR7ZQ8kBCJEEYvEVxNahn I54J3tJVFNXvYj3P9XAX6xU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLsvUwnusKer; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1087ED5C730; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:39:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294277952; bh=gb64+2342He26P34uansgrHDMqwl4bfFyeppTy9P MRU=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=XGRBmjDg1M6NG+ VuzlV9p9rM7ohXNsXWPjUpD4K3saVRyLd2el4VeIxrs7bE1I4YJPmJVKqAVaNBYCN// RMb3r/JLhfR9Pdb4P0BV4QnwYSnKAwdQbKuhjuOVCO0QTo0OtWcC+4lHevd/6tSa79g VL8DcGU8S+oZjAaeo6Ym8+Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCBB0D5C7A4 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ttZ7hnxJK2zZ for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com (smtp11.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60E17D5C730 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1Paeoa-0004Kz-LF for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:38:56 +0900 Received: from 131.113.211.196 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:38:56 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:38:56 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-archive-position: 405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=i9cQR3VaAAAA:8 a=zQg0Z5CDAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4-02xk6itNBbqf98o1QA:9 a=0N2Uhu7PVyncA9xYQtEA:7 a=1uRgLBsRGB71rlOYARjk6KPyXycA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Well, _sometimes_ it is, i.e. when something's not moving, and usually with a small letter unless at the beginning of a sentence. But you knew that, of course. ;-) Ian P. On 5/1/2011, "brian" wrote: >Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? > >v2.92 trial > >Brian >-- >Auckland >New Zealand >www.adam.co.nz >To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ecartis@freelists.org Thu Jan 6 19:26:42 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PavKV-4Cn000-06-Fdc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:26:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PavKV-4Cn000-06-Fdc; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:16:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PavKV-4Cn000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:16:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PavKU-0007Wh-Ea for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:16:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFA41D5C6FA for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294341417; bh=uFGAbhcP7352quOf55KFfWrJGp4W4L+geF2rN6Vy E+4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject; b=n2Ek0rx2uaEwaDd IyRv29MLShY1KWwrtKtxMDd9JnkmGzR2vKQFbov+T/AjxY9SDjMpuRTK5BEOwgSBw6A YaWxeoiBkeL+vm4mklxhnIFKHwaQLXeYmivZB560bnuAPbtc5gpAwlKdIaQSxYDgNbR IZ57tKiNtqPwRup3zlDUcA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1t7DfjiRnIY for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80AD8D5C4F7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294341417; bh=uFGAbhcP7352quOf55KFfWrJGp4W4L+geF2rN6Vy E+4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject; b=n2Ek0rx2uaEwaDd IyRv29MLShY1KWwrtKtxMDd9JnkmGzR2vKQFbov+T/AjxY9SDjMpuRTK5BEOwgSBw6A YaWxeoiBkeL+vm4mklxhnIFKHwaQLXeYmivZB560bnuAPbtc5gpAwlKdIaQSxYDgNbR IZ57tKiNtqPwRup3zlDUcA= X-Original-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58AAAD5C6FA for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294341417; bh=uFGAbhcP7352quOf55KFfWrJGp4W4L+geF2rN6Vy E+4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject; b=n2Ek0rx2uaEwaDd IyRv29MLShY1KWwrtKtxMDd9JnkmGzR2vKQFbov+T/AjxY9SDjMpuRTK5BEOwgSBw6A YaWxeoiBkeL+vm4mklxhnIFKHwaQLXeYmivZB560bnuAPbtc5gpAwlKdIaQSxYDgNbR IZ57tKiNtqPwRup3zlDUcA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iL4veVmtobWZ for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28C89D5C4F7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294341417; bh=uFGAbhcP7352quOf55KFfWrJGp4W4L+geF2rN6Vy E+4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Message-ID:Subject; b=n2Ek0rx2uaEwaDd IyRv29MLShY1KWwrtKtxMDd9JnkmGzR2vKQFbov+T/AjxY9SDjMpuRTK5BEOwgSBw6A YaWxeoiBkeL+vm4mklxhnIFKHwaQLXeYmivZB560bnuAPbtc5gpAwlKdIaQSxYDgNbR IZ57tKiNtqPwRup3zlDUcA= Received: from freelists.org by freelists.org (ECARTIS/1.0.0); Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager Reply-To: patbryan@talktalk.net To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Message-ID: X-ecartis-antiloop: freelists.org Precedence: list Subject: davidpilling: patbryan@talktalk.net post needs approval X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6kXXSADjsX8A:10 a=AowVz_kEYwgA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=dWq-ZyEYAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=lyBS0cbzdcPXOrEaDSYA:9 a=hOhVqvN4MaXKi4uz4w0A:7 a=5QPrABHCftrQtnaZIFwsDPeewLIA:4 a=vaF4yFaCieYA:10 a=f5oetn0sQ0EA:10 a=9km_O76EQEQA:10 a=R_owx40YCZ4A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=qRxTFMiaWsrsPKPx:21 a=IwuUtLS8ZfIgsubs:21 This message was received for a list you are a moderator on, and was marked for moderation due to the following reason: Non-member submission to closed-post list. 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Ecartis needs it. // apppost 4D261529:6B0F.1:qnivqcvyyvat >From patbryan@talktalk.net Thu Jan 6 14:16:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02C8AD5C6FA for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtWfcl2tZa41 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.241]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81863D5C4F7 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:16:56 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtsFADikJU1Ol2RJ/2dsb2JhbACWEI4Pc714hUwEjkA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,284,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="327707162" Received: from unknown (HELO talktalk.net) ([78.151.100.73]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 06 Jan 2011 19:16:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:19:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: New email address Message-ID: <519179ed54patbryan@talktalk.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Hi New email address: patbryana@talktalk.net Old one: patbryan*at*patbryan.plus.com. Thanks, Bryan Clarke, 3128 -- Using a British Risc PC running RISC OS Select and the Pluto mail and news reader. // eompost 4D261529:6B0F.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 7 13:55:26 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pb7zO-2jb000-04-BVF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:55:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pb7zO-2jb000-04-BVF; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:48:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pb7zO-2jb000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:48:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pb7zK-00045w-7F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:48:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E119D5CF87; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 03:47:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294390075; bh=PADSabQQVwkiVquLy+fMBWDeNcIFHlvLWB1THvSq riw=; h=Date:From:Subject:In-reply-to:To:Message-id:MIME-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:References:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=pRJpE4RL3QZXgYnCWwxOfrl+k+JfBaghftG8D93h RapIahQ5Ny60xHnU3d1D3Tj37s25nktwv437O76ISKsjIiObXS2artg26AvwolZaO7s TFaBOb3UH/IPf8jKzPjeNkolEfcTf33/+VOfxnTVhwMueAeB6L7yBaF6v3uxFNko= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x37r6yvjtGtj; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 03:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79773D5AA04; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 03:47:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294390074; bh=PADSabQQVwkiVquLy+fMBWDeNcIFHlvLWB1THvSq riw=; h=Date:From:Subject:In-reply-to:To:Message-id:MIME-version: Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:References:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=WCUWruA8tCfGYsu/JquR5YY5rYf1HPYTRF83aq8d /grRZIfqDlIgFbyplimIlnx6ltshX9AaBy7ButI64txbsD+xB4Munh4PKLfUcQdTlIJ cy7l3xbcIRE/PqDqd2J4aXtAB95k/HZQYliZPwUEjbSTSUYGf79cQrPGWhJVO0mo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Jan 2011 03:47:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49D4AD5CAF5 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 03:47:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lV2Je91zqVhw for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 03:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B8F7D5AA04 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 03:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (121-72-219-90.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.72.219.90]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0LEN001B19RD3400@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:47:38 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:48:54 +1300 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 X-archive-position: 406 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: list@clear.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=i9cQR3VaAAAA:8 a=zQg0Z5CDAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=peW4hidQwIi7yB-yoQMA:9 a=M5sC6v7jP0Ipynqi_aUA:7 a=2k-635YO37NJQVlCt-lIgzhiQ-IA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 On 06/01/2011 12:28, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz>, brian > writes >> Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? > > Where? Oh god I stand corrected. In OPro under File I saw => Stationery and assumed the worst. That it should be spelled ...ary. OK I see now that the collection of pre-designed documents may be called stationery. Mea culpa. Make fun of me 'standing' corrected. I'll take it like a man. > There is the "man walks in to a shop and says 'do you keep stationery'" > joke. No I don't know that one but I can guess. 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Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CC9BD5D017 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 04:26:45 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuoGADNrJk3Unw4T/2dsb2JhbACWFo4Pc7xHhUwE Received: from outmx04.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2011 09:26:45 +0000 Received: from 88.0.113.87.dyn.plus.net ([87.113.0.88] helo=iMac.local) by outmx04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Pb8aq-0003Lf-PC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 09:26:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4D26DC53.5040206@toddshouse.plus.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 09:26:43 +0000 From: Derek Todd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 407 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dtodd@toddshouse.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=i9cQR3VaAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VvUhETDb13K76BuLRRoA:9 a=0ZpSrkqkU6YX2MUJvf8A:7 a=wz7_BymfhFO7mYpVODqd4joxPBkA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 On 07/01/2011 08:48, brian wrote: > On 06/01/2011 12:28, David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In message <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz>, brian >> writes >>> Is it important to point out that Stationery is spelt Stationary? >> >> Where? > > Oh god I stand corrected. > In OPro under File I saw => Stationery and assumed the worst. That it > should be spelled ...ary. OK I see now that the collection of > pre-designed documents may be called stationery. Mea culpa. Make fun > of me 'standing' corrected. I'll take it like a man. > >> There is the "man walks in to a shop and says 'do you keep stationery'" >> joke. > > No I don't know that one but I can guess. > > Brian > A useful aide memoir as to which to use is: "there is an 'E' when requiring envelopes". Basic spell checker will not help here! -- Derek Todd Dorset U.K. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 7 17:10:13 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbFj5-0bZGPo-05-CI4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:10:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbFj5-0bZGPo-05-CI4; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 17:03:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbFj5-0bZGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 17:03:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbFj3-0003jB-SB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 17:03:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF63BD5CF97; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:03:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294419820; bh=AffgysLwcGU5qDhhUjBRo5JyTamUpgcygIGK2QXa LTs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iQpSYcBq3Q32Yw5MVx4V/Nhy964YlXMN3Uq/4o8fWpdvXQc4Tj QrF2nYYCGSdlTVe/SwmJIxbpZGZPyKTWsekQXYosdO6XRF/lYRYOryPLxMsOLSMPbdi CltgJSVinXIEUK4qkctGVxDK+CTSi0MzcDFeeJSdlOEWyRgEMP+/Ac= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id auIzaLI6ynhA; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26666D5CB7C; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:03:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294419819; bh=AffgysLwcGU5qDhhUjBRo5JyTamUpgcygIGK2QXa LTs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Wpi8/HcYvlKdbf623hnoJ0ztCpvlnt1U1vQnMZ+pFbCempE57t QLHDK2m8WOREKMPhglsITOaq4JvsDSgBREl1AS/sabt+vG4OVYPod2FEKZ6OZmGIpF7 aTgwCFZAQyVApDdpM7DxknhD89s+y07HLFal4jzXYnahqrs9Lu0TXk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:03:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5090D5CCA8 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:03:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qHDAQjHCevkN for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 769A7D5CB7C for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 12:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PbFin-0007O3-b4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 17:03:25 +0000 Message-ID: <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:02:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 408 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bfrTaiWicUNGYilvenAA:9 a=o6nzEMDhJXKbToAge9sA:7 a=EvgGf7z2W8LBUWgXVTxk0CCWCnYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=maq7lDDi1O0WSdMS:21 a=ElHBcT1U8GZXbVga:21 Hi, Stationery/stationary is a trap, I doubt I would have known the correct spelling, I inherited it from Beebug. Needs the right level of obscurity, few people will get, their/there, where/were or sew/sow confused, many do get your/you're mixed up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.181.214]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p07HxNbX012968 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:59:23 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 17:59:46 GMT Message-ID: <0b73f69151.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 409 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BxK0cakpOtIKqaVDA2kA:9 a=1wmgSKR0HZyc-1ttk-kA:7 a=iG1dtZUN1iMA2cgmLD1QSQnr7IIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GQrMzutGCmgTtxPM:21 a=V7mMZAT7taDeNGUT:21 In message <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Stationery/stationary is a trap, I doubt I would have known the correct > spelling, I inherited it from Beebug. > Needs the right level of obscurity, few people will get, their/there, > where/were or sew/sow confused, many do get your/you're mixed up. Or an interesting set I saw being explained in school our, hour, are The third one was a surprise, but given the Northampton accent, shouldn't have been. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 7 19:55:18 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbIIC-01MVbs-01-9ix.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:55:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbIIC-01MVbs-01-9ix; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:48:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbIIC-01MVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 19:48:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbII9-0003hr-Gw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB4ABD5D26F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (121-72-219-90.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.72.219.90]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0LEO00MBT4BKDN50@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:47:45 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:48:34 +1300 From: brian Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling In-reply-to: <4D26DC53.5040206@toddshouse.plus.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4D276E12.9020102@clear.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> <4D26DC53.5040206@toddshouse.plus.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 X-archive-position: 410 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: list@clear.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zQg0Z5CDAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=20g4i-joUzOz_WuaOxUA:9 a=iOk_gGLC1DRNM3NulAUA:7 a=R9DnHxJfsBn8L2qD8rR5e7-fbTQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 On 07/01/2011 22:26, Derek Todd wrote: > A useful aide memoir as to which to use is: "there is an 'E' when > requiring envelopes". Basic spell checker will not help here! My aide was supposed to be: Stationer = the man and the store Stationery = what the store sells But I failed to remember that. Instead: Stationer = the man behind the counter at the station... (Ringo in that childrens' game?) From there I continued on the wrong track. 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Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi2.callplus.net.nz (mx194.callplus.net.nz [202.180.66.194]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31B37D5D41F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:24:24 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnEFAFkhJ03LuCUU/2dsb2JhbACJTIxSjg50uwiFTAQ Received: from 203-184-37-20.callplus.net.nz (HELO XPHOMEPC) ([203.184.37.20]) by ismtp02.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 08 Jan 2011 11:24:22 +1300 Message-ID: <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:24:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-archive-position: 411 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2pmA5MerfFQV_KNMGnIA:9 a=yj_TkXIM6Dl2ItsFgaoA:7 a=aUITK28njrbblgxopez7_Se-o6UA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 > > Needs the right level of obscurity, few people will get, their/there, > where/were or sew/sow confused, many do get your/you're mixed up. > -- > David Pilling > Interesting point here. I know the difference between "there" and "their" and it annoys me when I see anybody getting it wrong. However I often type the wrong one myself. As soon as I see it on screen I cry out in anguish and correct it, but it would appear that the part of the brain that does the typing "hears" words rather than "Sees" them.. Being a New Zealander of a certain age "where" and "were" are not a problem as I pronounce them differently (Would you believe I just typed "I no the difference"?) Dan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 7 22:55:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbL2f-0tbGPo-01-FV0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 22:55:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbL2f-0tbGPo-01-FV0; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:44:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbL2f-0tbGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:44:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbL2X-0001sL-JX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:44:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC07FD5D316; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 17:44:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan McCarthy=20 To: davidpilling@freelists.org=20 Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:24 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling > > Needs the right level of obscurity, few people will get, = their/there,=20 > where/were or sew/sow confused, many do get your/you're mixed up. > --=20 > David Pilling > Interesting point here. I know the difference between "there" and = "their"=20 and it annoys me when (Would you believe I just typed "I no the difference"?) Dan=20 That reminds me of that old spellchecker poem: Eye halve a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye kin knot sea. Eye strike a key and type a word And weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar write It shows me strait a weigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two long And eye can put the error rite Its rare lea ever wrong. Eye have run this poem threw it I am shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect awl the weigh My chequer tolled me sew. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CBAEBC.5A174430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original = Message -----=20
To: = davidpilling@freelists.org=20
Sent: = Friday, January=20 07, 2011 10:24 PM
Subject:=20 [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling

>
> Needs the right level of = obscurity, few=20 people will get, their/there,
> where/were or sew/sow confused, = many do=20 get your/you're mixed up.
> --
> David=20 Pilling
>
Interesting point here. I know the difference = between=20 "there" and "their"
and it annoys me = when
<snip>
 
(Would you believe I just typed "I no the=20 difference"?)

Dan
That reminds me of that old spellchecker=20 poem:
 
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with = my pea=20 sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot=20 sea.
 
Eye strike a key and type a word
And = weight four it=20 two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a=20 weigh.
 
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee = fore two=20 long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever = wrong.
 
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore = your=20 pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled = me=20 sew.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CBAEBC.5A174430-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 8 11:55:45 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbOKx-1XKVbs-07-CCi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:55:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbOKx-1XKVbs-07-CCi; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:15:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbOKx-1XKVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:15:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbOKv-0002HK-NX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:15:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4E07D5B345; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:15:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294452919; bh=MTiLf67ZtUeTH2IIFCQTve/90ROGSu7xybnnLrPX CM4=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=txs1Th086/UvWg 1EhAuQMUK5wjVCOObUyyEXaamBlTvT4KTiLaiRcqefZ6J3TYNhe8MC/aRcMQPPSKRwV 1H20wXiuGfKF9VwJhWTqN9O6h2nEK6EQjpNyWRIHZ0wHUPsvoc3JRRx/f6xc4cizZvS dQ16h6PwVRpOf8u4z2bjrxU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EaTSt3yWGEO7; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EFE0D5B1A6; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294452919; bh=MTiLf67ZtUeTH2IIFCQTve/90ROGSu7xybnnLrPX CM4=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=txs1Th086/UvWg 1EhAuQMUK5wjVCOObUyyEXaamBlTvT4KTiLaiRcqefZ6J3TYNhe8MC/aRcMQPPSKRwV 1H20wXiuGfKF9VwJhWTqN9O6h2nEK6EQjpNyWRIHZ0wHUPsvoc3JRRx/f6xc4cizZvS dQ16h6PwVRpOf8u4z2bjrxU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01C23D5D335 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvGY4KTYP1X6 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com (smtp11.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CC15D5D334 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1PbOKc-0002aZ-Rp for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:15:02 +0900 Received: from 133.91.253.129 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:15:02 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:15:02 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-archive-position: 413 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xaYbwGM6PwhpvVu44FEA:9 a=EPBNH3oAThZkHG0GcogA:7 a=kHONeJZVSruD3efZHjqJVy769BEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cbNeE68Z5565fn5W:21 a=pJEHhMso7PfkgYVc:21 Two/too right/write/wright - it's/its a plobrem/problem! Ian P. (In Tokyo) On 7/1/2011, "David Pilling" wrote: >Hi, > >Stationery/stationary is a trap, I doubt I would have known the correct >spelling, I inherited it from Beebug. > >Needs the right level of obscurity, few people will get, their/there, >where/were or sew/sow confused, many do get your/you're mixed up. > > >-- >David Pilling >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > >To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 8 11:55:45 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbOt8-1pP000-04-BeX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:55:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbOt8-1pP000-04-BeX; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:50:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbOt8-1pP000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:50:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbOt6-0001I3-Bk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:50:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 474CDD5D4C6; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:50:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294455038; bh=hBsTf5A/zS3Txnxyw+GecPQddw+Kx9ghpq8x9z63 FIM=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=J4LKeUGdQurGqO dt9dLFL3q7DNDSQaKtZ704daX5KbnKi2/LT6H+bYx4q8GANoDgqVHKQwruUC+1DWKmT 0MmhRH6lJpxyvVP1Or1pVXjrkj0DPTSLHTj5ajkQxqVBmdfcGcpfpeDzaY2OWgf3h0i +v1cUiwNn2KqNwwf7eEE+C8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ppbvytSD0LF0; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74A2BD5B778; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:50:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294455037; bh=hBsTf5A/zS3Txnxyw+GecPQddw+Kx9ghpq8x9z63 FIM=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=B+agXkzIAJdJMw R8NpnQkBgWzxzmtmYam2E4RDG081vsbxqNaOiWMn16fzAVP79FDbTfjaElcA1MPNYEY 9A1BuF5Wv0SbN1c6UtS9kJXMyCRDZWx6BN88lUaVAZH8ngfATCtITDe02nzht21NvCs j4eqyaTYBf1e6ualNgcph8g= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Jan 2011 21:50:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F994D5D2A9 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:50:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zMwUoH8XRL6E for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com (smtp11.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4460D5B778 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 21:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1PbOsn-0005aY-TS for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:50:21 +0900 Received: from 133.91.253.129 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:50:21 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:50:21 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-archive-position: 414 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HuCzIMBZWKpQXqWfIEgA:9 a=7Dbtmw8j6ASaAV0qtgIA:7 a=fVrwTEt4UHeVECyLZUIAEbdafvkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 On 7/1/2011, "Tom at TalkTalk" wrote: >'It came with my pea sea' Woodn't that bee 'camb', their? Ian P. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 8 11:55:46 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbU7U-0DJ000-07-Ewh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:55:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbU7U-0DJ000-07-Ewh; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:25:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbU7U-0DJ000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:25:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbU7P-0007MS-UA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:25:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8157D5D23B; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 03:25:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294475144; bh=XO/7uWGc4bKAKUvtHBU4dHV7zTZ1XXvxu0cGuL8w Tx4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lBF+F5 J7Fm96YfMkI9i/kHiqsRgU9puuZh/aZAQON9h1N2bhLCab8in3XmyegbkWI2/caeAWc ZQPZaJ+Z2HXxTmBzs9KUktkCSg0Vi8sS1taV1CHRpukIlCU+PMjQxXQ/Nj39HI0JyF0 rJgKuflqmi7kPn1t8JUV8cFKsZ9O7oY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oAQjhVKpol7W; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 03:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CBE6D5B962; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 03:25:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294475143; bh=XO/7uWGc4bKAKUvtHBU4dHV7zTZ1XXvxu0cGuL8w Tx4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=P0tPJt pycEFexcHw1pFLU45R9mz6tHmpE+gmpTM7gjBJraHh2mPUf3Rm7Z11eFleQlRWtCmbH whgs1p6UO4xUx+zIMJiCcNKauLCdU3LO/1VjsQ9KuBdgEhQUmCXLG25iGBeY73ia29b J2K8eOoDsN/yOGCt2277p+YTrl9Vyas= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Jan 2011 03:25:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7FE7D5D22C for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 03:25:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xYo+2xAd79v3 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 03:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F943D5B962 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 03:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.178.4]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p088Oq9L025994 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 08:24:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:11:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling Message-ID: <51924472c9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC> References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 415 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qGvPFJmDSz0rz77I1DoA:9 a=9eHr8lgaffk8c0MkDgYA:7 a=fDKV1Nrpgf2kLVwiPHApjpFbrVgA:4 In article <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy wrote: [Snippy] > Being a New Zealander of a certain age "where" and "were" are not a > problem as I pronounce them differently. Many years ago, watching a NZ soap (About young Doctors) I was convinced for a while that there were two different characters that looked alike (Maybe twins). One was called Nick by the guesting Aussie actor, while the thick (accent) NZ actor called the look-alike Nuck. I thereafter remember noting quite a number of words where the "u" was used to replace other letters, particularly the "i". If Nick was off work today because he was sick. Out of the NZ mouth is was Nuck is suck... I wrute thus no way as a pejoratuve, but just an amusung observation. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 8 11:55:47 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbVPI-3jFknw-05-Det.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:55:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbVPI-3jFknw-05-Det; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:48:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbVPI-3jFknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:48:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbVPF-0004kh-KU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:48:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4778DD5D292; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 04:48:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294480095; bh=dzTMKp+FqTPA0KHuP59V5eKUP25oFBKDil5ePeEw EOo=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=E3hAR9rrS0Q1qiBBK/FmLi2dbYJcwjZGsdFBJPsUkrLOOJpRDq O+lpZb99uz5u2KV8lWR3UToLAosUOe5TUl1GrHX8zHRLlunWBEBLAtBdOiBK8rBO2zX yCuP2BZR/Iz4S+v3p4sexfhSIjEpIz3EzmuueTaNB0Tie5/6DeBCDA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oaJ5xTljQZDx; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 04:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B412CD5A22A; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 04:48:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294480094; bh=dzTMKp+FqTPA0KHuP59V5eKUP25oFBKDil5ePeEw EOo=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fwjkrFsiJ/xyWH2I0LL9YA/UTi3e6tPS0IKtMFbiDc0qVuzcVp r7P9SLMIs6yQKWO5QHfXDJTdCjmfGbUSclr0nBiwJI0eOA1P20olyA3wncANAtdHwKw KM77o2+Wc9hroY8oRzO9f7eVEo702tqn1TvXlaPS0D0vCGhrNAP9b8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Jan 2011 04:48:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B5ACD5D27C for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 04:48:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id scl0a2RZHgNC for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 04:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E486ED5A22A for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 04:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4FAGPBJ01UXebj/2dsb2JhbACWNY4Oc7wEhUwE Received: from outmx01.plus.net ([84.93.230.227]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Jan 2011 09:47:58 +0000 Received: from 17.12.112.87.dyn.plus.net ([87.112.12.17] helo=IyonixPC) by outmx01.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1PbVOw-000069-5j for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:47:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling To: From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 09:37:54 GMT Message-ID: References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC> X-Organization: Who, me? Organised? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 416 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kTYzx4_BQAT2Hijm97kA:9 a=_e_lTHDmCLrn7ooF5eIA:7 a=vVR8MKkDm05qNp_jw4Gf4T9uaMMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 On 7 Jan, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Being a New Zealander of a certain age "where" and "were" are not a > problem as I pronounce them differently Kiwis pronounce everything differently... ;) -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------------- I installed a skylight in my apartment. The people who live above me are furious! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 9 12:10:08 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pbqk3-4cPVbs-03-9NA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 12:10:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pbqk3-4cPVbs-03-9NA; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:35:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pbqk3-4cPVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:35:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pbqk0-0006Q8-0z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 08:35:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07BE8D5C292; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:35:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294562106; bh=a+MOQ2ggDVTN7CefFRWGLOUo6mBa0HHnV0MB9CCA f74=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CLs1Ur+qXEdsLuIyZ6dO+doUzV6n0auaEh3A/m0NRZKaVvV9HV cA7UWLspdtYCz86DSo5kGZxYmBp0CSAe+ew3JQDnxRx/lbG19nxVJdAma7U+ULbpUaM LEuEyDkDzo213HnFaq5XGNCe3tg08NpsX7k/dOngzwJQQDkphHnbaA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pIUPM7MdIMOs; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A509D5AB6F; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:34:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294562105; bh=a+MOQ2ggDVTN7CefFRWGLOUo6mBa0HHnV0MB9CCA f74=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xgEdGABdjQsy1bN1jMnKmnmqBtvNIPUUso1mjKZM1a50bjB6sF SEhfs32qprIjPDfxC79OMYpeaUx3Tp3b1XMd9Bt9ZNqMCwUnNQ/6ohrcZzVoBN+Xvbl 8wIgdoZH9CSrXTyijd/aSzrbs7u0UKI20XOyDZ2bF/5wgYJyaIngxI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:34:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CB56D5C090 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:34:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QOkWa1tMNCwZ for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi2.callplus.net.nz (mx194.callplus.net.nz [202.180.66.194]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31B7CD5AB6F for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 03:34:50 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwFAIwBKU3LuCUU/2dsb2JhbACJWIxpjg50uliFTAQ Received: from 203-184-37-20.callplus.net.nz (HELO XPHOMEPC) ([203.184.37.20]) by ismtp02.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 09 Jan 2011 21:34:48 +1300 Message-ID: <7DBEE232A79D4CAA930BC6B4F563C8C3@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <5166c7ea01david.rooke@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <4D24EC41.7040404@clear.net.nz> <4D26D376.4040103@clear.net.nz> <+qRI$2BXc0JNFwDX@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7E32A80935D04CE6BEF00E599D68B66B@XPHOMEPC> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (Wind) spelling Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:34:35 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-archive-position: 417 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2VIDnUn6-1wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=J79lKseGiHQfBAfkNDEA:9 a=58X_I2HYoOpu98mhF-cA:7 a=MIhN1y-FzfNGdcJ8_8KNT480G2oA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Woa, we are getting way off topic here. I was not refering to my horrible kiwi accent (which I don't notice when I am talking to myself.) but rather our schools' insistance on the "correct" pronouciation of "wh" which they kept up with until the fifties. Let us now quit while we are ahead cheers Dan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 9 15:55:08 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbxUs-1KaVbs-07-B8r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 15:55:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbxUs-1KaVbs-07-B8r; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:47:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbxUs-1KaVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:47:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbxUp-0006ya-2W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:47:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F2F2D5CEF9; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294588072; bh=vlQoqVW3vIxqdJgXVREev1q16whRhtx/L1ox5Atj Vic=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Sk3rloO1NdrQkvATIu3k0ByHLOzFk ueSN7p01B55Hppdk+HMbN2G2xv2BjRPlvbTqUXn3dE/WorGbedcvfxcqHzAmNg5F0SN DB9MQyBIcfEdbufTgvJBK7lo1oBj1FQo/NNv0hN5cYIUYzSDT2LLc3MVdqDx9SFWttX DPWRd7uY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kied2cWGX+Yd; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3D57D5CA64; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:47:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294588071; bh=vlQoqVW3vIxqdJgXVREev1q16whRhtx/L1ox5Atj Vic=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jNeT6Rqt67SRtyq2fAfChcUYcxwul jRJ+9Nhaxfq2+pLaD5t2+0Mryi0aAfHJzXVmYfQATrvSjOXdQyj30mcYuLItejJgRta 5MCBpvN5g98dd7ZYGGEXt6PUb8QF2fH7Cgf3hVMMMFUuP4ttn/5Sv/qFrp8485/MfBC o9IiGy0A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Jan 2011 10:47:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C6ECD5B344 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:47:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECrbqtaRKDAL for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DEF0D5CA64 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.Cornant) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PbxUT-0002BH-Jg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:47:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Bell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:44:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Interesting printing problem/solution Message-ID: <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 418 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=g0pYr2M4sVkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fusG5sU28cnJkt0Vc7EA:9 a=3knsoLtntterZyxVEU4A:7 a=YmnW6VvmM6mutlrsbOm4lSS7_x4A:4 Hi, I've been battling to get an OvPro document to print correctly. It contains text and drawfile images and displays correctly on-screen. But printing results in half of the drawfiles and, bizarrely, half of OvPro's text underlines being changed from a solid to a dashed linestyle. The drawfiles contain a mixture of solid and dashed linestyles and, in one of them, the last drawn item is dashed. All lines in the OvPro doc after that (ie. in frames at a higher level) are dashed until the next drawfile which happens to have dashed lines followed by solid lines - if there is one! If only one drawfile causes this problem, it can be placed at the last (most forward) level (ie. with nothing following it to get corrupted). But although this fixes normal printing, the problem resurfaces when printing more than one page on the same sheet (eg thumbnails). Does anyone know which app might be causing this problem? I'm using OvPro 2.77, Printers 1.72 and PS3 1.17. Chris Bell. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 9 16:55:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbyJR-2mcVbs-07-AKI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:55:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbyJR-2mcVbs-07-AKI; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:40:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbyJR-2mcVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:40:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbyJN-0006qo-7g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:40:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EBABD5C8B2; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:40:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294591207; bh=NXYlfs7GtF0GWo2cn9titzEsSrFAYRUbQu5SwJWt 1Jk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Ik590705q97dRvMfDfQZXWzxisbszzepYrxeBOf1zYBN5eSUG8 wIqkLEqlIp5bhFfQMVaYr8ZNCAyWI0US6irZSVTe9zWWNrYVl4qEFd+U/mdyyWhaFW4 jQaugCBBUBKKLOYJYlrAkoSmEey/1zBSPPeuA0P7j0BwV/s9w5IKv0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6yS5-goakTl4; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06BA1D5C79D; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:39:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294591206; bh=NXYlfs7GtF0GWo2cn9titzEsSrFAYRUbQu5SwJWt 1Jk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=D7z97kv8+ijiVks6su/EmbqLmTEXqyqE35DR2KYx+J2l5JTJwr vOL5beN2/zO1RM1cJe4ADgZsUi6TKCAnSQp1phrtDGtVGBwLDwMzfQSf05fnADHv+zO zZc3aq4QhV2OjFDnJ/p7Z/UrphkKvuA4f+Jt6gHd0deCJvjjuROSE0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:39:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2E2BD5C7C0 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:39:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P+-KGjJ9jcui for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from payne.is.scarlet.be (payne.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.226]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5970BD5C79D for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-172-92.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.172.92]) by payne.is.scarlet.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p09GdoEB011287 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:39:51 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:49:10 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Interesting printing problem/solution Message-ID: <62a8f79251.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.21) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 419 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ilDYu7ZccugA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=nMjLqBIenXoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=0DChLNy75kwZ8QbfvjgA:7 a=x6CoUtqUNiLBmSp_WvdSwDgKYyoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net> you wrote: > I've been battling to get an OvPro document to print correctly. It > contains text and drawfile images and displays correctly on-screen. > But printing results in half of the drawfiles and, bizarrely, half of > OvPro's text underlines being changed from a solid to a dashed > linestyle. > [...] > Does anyone know which app might be causing this problem? I'm using > OvPro 2.77, Printers 1.72 and PS3 1.17. I'm nearly sure and afraid this is PS3 1.17 issue. Could you please send me and Martin the OvPro document so we can pinpoint this ? If you would have a 1.15 version, it migth be that this problem is not there (= suggestion for temporary workaround but that version contains another issue which might surface with OvPro/Impression). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 9 16:55:25 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PbyP4-3cW000-01-AEf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:55:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PbyP4-3cW000-01-AEf; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:46:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PbyP4-3cW000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:46:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PbyOw-00079e-3e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:46:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5B47D5C90B; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:45:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294591551; bh=FqOc8vF5MJlVTdqEKD6h/jQhv9JifMzkULNEyMj0 ciw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tfmAd/iwfI0NYR0Ald3gRyTxtvxpbk2TV337WItXf0Eyg/UZkQ fTyrNAAHnenqkuF7tMQzqS7DW7JJ8UznLlbxuBVmbUG9losIEqeUxtNBbqs5+thEYBI knkz8LKQz/kymG6t5HyTycxgLwRjVY37H8OBaY6csoAvdxsqCx5U8M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ddy136+7VxHM; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06A3FD5BAA7; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:45:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294591550; bh=FqOc8vF5MJlVTdqEKD6h/jQhv9JifMzkULNEyMj0 ciw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=QA4RuBJ559twfONQMnkIXqS6qk1EL4SF//Kpezcd8xtACPjhlx NJYuCua5rahNNBcTWiyxLouKXGpuImm1RxDnrIwn4qoMt0PdStYeYcGDnjcDXqYx+Iw MLkn9pm59bpvpmRDoRjshKAIFvyLht/Xkef3FvXZ2zn6CBArLFryQQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:45:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD42BD5BB6B for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:45:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZGklPzUt-IE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AA6BD5BAA7 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PbyOe-0004ac-oH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:45:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:44:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Interesting printing problem/solution References: <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 420 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ilDYu7ZccugA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=K9V8uPdFjF6uLUEfRM4A:9 a=ZuB0V_aCmTghpzWZvcUA:7 a=wYmxgjM84n5tYIyVtBKYhQL-UH4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=m6J-675_48BUpgp0:21 a=IpbL84FNtdoaeRHV:21 HI, In message <5192f1bca3lists@highpath.net>, Chris Bell writes >I've been battling to get an OvPro document to print correctly. It >contains text and drawfile images and displays correctly on-screen. >But printing results in half of the drawfiles and, bizarrely, half of >OvPro's text underlines being changed from a solid to a dashed >linestyle. There is always the catch about "thin" lines i.e. zero width, which may look OK on screen and near invisible on printers. I would be inclined to try another printer driver e.g. my SPrinter (see web site) which renders to a sprite. It sounds like you're making a case for things getting into "dash mode", and then staying in it, but that is not how RISC OS works for Draw module output. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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It > > contains text and drawfile images and displays correctly on-screen. > > But printing results in half of the drawfiles and, bizarrely, half > > of OvPro's text underlines being changed from a solid to a dashed > > linestyle. [...] Does anyone know which app might be causing this > > problem? I'm using OvPro 2.77, Printers 1.72 and PS3 1.17. > I'm nearly sure and afraid this is PS3 1.17 issue. Could you please > send me and Martin the OvPro document so we can pinpoint this ? If > you would have a 1.15 version, it migth be that this problem is not > there (= suggestion for temporary workaround but that version > contains another issue which might surface with OvPro/Impression). Yes, John, I'm afraid you're right. The problem docs print perfectly using a PS Generic printer driver. It appears that PS3 can, indeed, be switched into 'dash mode'! It's easy enough to demonstrate once you know how, but I'm, sending John and Martin an example file. In the meantime, I've cured my problem docs by re-ordering the levels in their drawfiles (making sure the last/front item in each one has a solid linestyle). Chris. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 12:09:10 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcFXI-4WJknw-02-A9T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:09:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcFXI-4WJknw-02-A9T; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:03:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcFXI-4WJknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:03:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcFXF-00049P-1s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:03:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EDC9D5C911; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294657414; bh=qi7SE3sI3q3dU1NZhhu9BpRMUaCoRMk3c/FsjvFL WHo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=g7Cxzrzv9wtebemqZmJOA2kqJEwfQ 3chJNzehsoNhvKPZdiXSplMRyWpvRFvzHdPYUhAAUx/wMu70X+EEiCP8mn9AGFsNUB3 l5+zWQH2X7UoKzk6CJxcnp/JEwPQTlbJ6WECWUUbkP4rEAozSYvCbfmBHBt78FaB/7n 5fu0hcd0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sizmRPCy9rZm; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99D6ED5C7E8; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294657413; bh=qi7SE3sI3q3dU1NZhhu9BpRMUaCoRMk3c/FsjvFL WHo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jeK1W8E0GqJ7C6EVdTa/U5r2vEtRH yg1RHIsoT9uq6ET/FP/YBTu1B6zsEN6v5gdDjws3ZgVxVxiR/3KT4UgYlHPxf9pd43+ esZV49SasryYq0kK9iZkoTHcBH+N0+lPDbzR0/ruxRO3bEIuBSVUFR4x1zElt7qLesj y3ezwv+A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 578C7D5C867 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RqRjtuF9Amu1 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87539D5C7E8 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.194.169]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0AB3FYl024111 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:03:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 422 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lNgH3ZbZZ7EA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=F9dqRidAzQ4iTSAVLo0A:9 a=lSte8H2mU7kmql4fUfQA:7 a=aTdgY7bNVl33QdLbIQGITDC8lVQA:4 a=gpA6uBMn6cJhKbol:21 a=ZtJEht1msqTM-2ra:21 Help! I'm in the brown stuff... I've been encouraging my dear wife to migrate from Imp Publisher to RISC OS OvPro, and for a while that was going okay, but she does need to sometimes Save out at RTF to transfer to the PC and Word. Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. I've tried this on two different versions of Word with the same end result. (If viewed in a text editor for the RTF code, it is all there) Anyone have any ideas, suggestions please? Particularly before she cuts off my bits... ;-) Thanks Dave I've divided this posting in to two parts so as not to add confusion to the basics noted above. The test files can be found at: http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/ovtest.zip RISC OS side: The OvPro RTF "Tester1/rtf" will load okay into Imp publisher on RISC OS. Windows side: An RTF file "ImpTest1.rtf" Saved out of Imp Publisher will load into either version of Word okay. The OvPro "Tester1.rtf" when put in a Win Text editor (To display the coding) does contain the text of the original OvPro document. [It's worth noting the header of the RTFs out of OvPro and Imp Publisher are substantially different] The OvPro "Tester1.rtf" will load into Open Office okay, and when Saved out of OO as RTF loads into Word (Either) okay. The files in the archive are: ImpTest1.rtf Impression Publisher RTF file. Tester1.rtf Ovation Pro on RISC OS RTF file. (2.77 6th April 2010) MakeRTF is version (3.04) Tester1.dpd The original test document. Thanks again. One last thought, does OvPro for Windows do an RTF Save (It loads) I can't find one? D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 12:09:11 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcGBM-0PeGPo-03-9VP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:09:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcGBM-0PeGPo-03-9VP; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:45:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcGBM-0PeGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:45:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcGBJ-0001PX-In for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:45:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3EF3D5C278; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:44:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpbrm-ews23.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.154]) by cpsmtpb-ews04.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:44:43 +0100 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.17]) by cpbrm-ews23.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:44:43 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:44:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:44:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51935f9e0ePaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2011 11:44:42.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[C586F480:01CBB0BB] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 423 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X_mXlNof7EHczvUQkTQA:9 a=0JJ757r7zTax3SnAhj8A:7 a=33e9Z0-F_4Srb5DG_bajtrXE6lQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=5EYRNvsy-4Ix9tYm:21 a=8SAZQfpNou1XoK5x:21 In article <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend > for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which > appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. I can only confirm this behaviour with your test file. Microsoft Word shows an empty page, where virtually all other programs display the RTF file nicely, among which OpenOffice Writer and WordPad. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:17:36 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkAHAJiHKk1UXebr/2dsb2JhbACWMI4Oc7tZhUwE Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2011 12:17:36 +0000 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PcGgp-00039Y-NJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:17:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:17:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <5193629499chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 424 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GTPksWD15WyWgq2ubGYA:9 a=T5NQpteyODS9Xsf4H9kA:7 a=EUkPvF374HHdoVl2nNEWNHhrZeoA:4 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 Both files load ok into Techwriter on RISC OS. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 12:39:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcGoc-10YVbs-04-8s9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94A5AD5C3F4 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NBcmrMcBxZJi for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68C7BD5C2E5 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PcGnZ-00020p-aV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:24:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:23:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 425 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=25KO0ZNg5ri8VNL5gsoA:9 a=CmEYmV5xTq_qbW4w7YgA:7 a=eKFq24_VBZTn07vSDozgRpS8wKAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=2-3yYSt53IvlaoIE:21 a=9bR0LJKZb4rizAF2:21 Hi, In message <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend >for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which >appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. Load into WordPad, save out and hope that loads into Word. Presumably there is something odd about that document that results in RTF that Word doesn't like. Some feature used in that document that is not usually used. No, there's no save RTF for Windows. I almost coded it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0ACa3Qd026597 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:36:04 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:35:54 GMT Message-ID: <874e649351.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 426 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pgwGuN0d5Je4LVD3W3wA:9 a=D3xK0hUPw5XMfSSK-2QA:7 a=hliqS_rtKTYRBN_JGrTd2u4RuPYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=5CvLnFBo96tmtcnO:21 a=O9KaFUA5Wb3UTX0k:21 On 10 Jan 2011 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >>Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend >>for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which >>appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. > Load into WordPad, save out and hope that loads into Word. > Presumably there is something odd about that document that results in > RTF that Word doesn't like. Some feature used in that document that is > not usually used. MakeRTF was in fact never finished, and produces some very odd results with some of my files, particularly if they involve frames, which the rtf format doesn't know about, I think. I imagine than for Dave it's come across something that it doesn't know what to do with. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75320D5C24A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p0ACuCo2006454 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:56:12 GMT Received: from vpn2-118.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk (vpn2-118.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.4.118]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p0ACuB9b018239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:56:11 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:56:11 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1EFEEEBD-499E-4C93-9CE0-0E8560A0058A@ed.ac.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 427 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eYpVHLHe6pgIIGtV98YA:9 a=dcu6WfES4VVKL7QpnlMA:7 a=kgeDoRdWo43D9brLvwFhQH4ibnYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4prBYc89cxA-KoMd:21 a=c9nh_0iltRm2ELSe:21 On 10 Jan 2011, at 11:03, Dave Symes wrote: > I've been encouraging my dear wife to migrate from Imp Publisher to RISC > OS OvPro, and for a while that was going okay, but she does need to > sometimes Save out at RTF to transfer to the PC and Word. >=20 > Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend > for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which > appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. >=20 > The files in the archive are: >=20 > ImpTest1.rtf Impression Publisher RTF file. > Tester1.rtf Ovation Pro on RISC OS RTF file. (2.77 6th April 2010) > MakeRTF is version (3.04) >=20 > Tester1.dpd The original test document. Both your test RTF files appear to load OK into Word 11 for Mac, with one d= ifference ... when loading the Tester1 doc, the Roman "I" on the line below= JETSAM appears at v large point size and forces the following text onto a = new page, which does not happen with the RTF in ImpTest1. I'll try them in = Word 10 for Windows and report back. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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Thanks for the thought Mr P., but WPad is not really a very good solution. "AbiWord" which is what I've been using for her, does an excellent job. OVPro.RTF into Abiword, Save as Rtf and that goes into Word okay. > Presumably there is something odd about that document that results in > RTF that Word doesn't like. Some feature used in that document that is > not usually used. We did wonder, but... We've discovered, all our (That we've tested) OVPro documents, even much older ones, any sort, when made Rtf will just not appear in Word (Either version) They are there, but just will not display. > No, there's no save RTF for Windows. I almost coded it. I wish there was, it would be so useful, considering there's no OV to Win direct path. Perhaps we OvPro users should throw some lolly in your direction to get one. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.194.169]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0AD4JXH027105 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:04:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:03:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <519366d514dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51935f9e0ePaul@sprie.nl> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <51935f9e0ePaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 429 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TZjxGRlwjDA7RBA65aQA:9 a=NSixI6mHIHWshfqtM5oA:7 a=oU2szcynZ9dGWJN4HnH8jrDPA80A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=U_xILjdroNPXqbGt:21 a=Kz_aNF4npsTKPyHl:21 In article <51935f9e0ePaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this > > weekend for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation > > Pro, which appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. > I can only confirm this behaviour with your test file. > Microsoft Word shows an empty page, where virtually all other programs > display the RTF file nicely, among which OpenOffice Writer and WordPad. > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Thanks to all who've replied, appreciated. Also the Ov.rtf will work okay in "AbiWord" Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 13:09:04 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcHSY-14uGPo-01-Gkj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:09:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcHSY-14uGPo-01-Gkj; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:06:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcHSY-14uGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:06:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcHSX-0005kL-M6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DE1ED5C6D2; 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26CEBD5C630 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.194.169]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0AD6Q7T027157 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:06:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:06:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51936712b6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <874e649351.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <874e649351.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 430 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MkshcIT7nINx5a5NSEEA:9 a=eO7gO9ZS_JaFpH9iekEA:7 a=9awQTVUPPjairK0sn9IREgDA2pUA:4 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=9QIQI-yaL_fPXEUT:21 a=Fa4fBoge0mu-fwO4:21 In article <874e649351.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 10 Jan 2011 David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > In message <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > writes > >>Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this > >>weekend for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation > >>Pro, which appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. > > Load into WordPad, save out and hope that loads into Word. > > Presumably there is something odd about that document that results in > > RTF that Word doesn't like. Some feature used in that document that is > > not usually used. > MakeRTF was in fact never finished, and produces some very odd results > with some of my files, particularly if they involve frames, which the > rtf format doesn't know about, I think. I imagine than for Dave it's > come across something that it doesn't know what to do with. > With best wishes, > Peter. Good thought Peter, but there's nothing exotic in that particular file. See My Reply to David about all the OvPro files we've tested. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC3E0D5BD77 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p0ADBTh7008641 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:11:35 GMT Received: from vpn2-118.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk (vpn2-118.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.4.118]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p0ADBSNK001911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:11:29 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <1EFEEEBD-499E-4C93-9CE0-0E8560A0058A@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:11:28 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1EFEEEBD-499E-4C93-9CE0-0E8560A0058A@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 431 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eYpVHLHe6pgIIGtV98YA:9 a=WUt0adhIdfRBGnCDZPIA:7 a=zKtaqyQn09Fogk9hZxlI1SotA_8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=tse5xiJQHQ3TeFOV:21 a=gXJo6mnvtCCfS19A:21 On 10 Jan 2011, at 12:56, Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 > On 10 Jan 2011, at 11:03, Dave Symes wrote: >=20 >> I've been encouraging my dear wife to migrate from Imp Publisher to RISC >> OS OvPro, and for a while that was going okay, but she does need to >> sometimes Save out at RTF to transfer to the PC and Word. >>=20 >> Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend >> for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which >> appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. >=20 >>=20 >> The files in the archive are: >>=20 >> ImpTest1.rtf Impression Publisher RTF file. >> Tester1.rtf Ovation Pro on RISC OS RTF file. (2.77 6th April 2010) >> MakeRTF is version (3.04) >>=20 >> Tester1.dpd The original test document. >=20 > Both your test RTF files appear to load OK into Word 11 for Mac, with one= difference ... when loading the Tester1 doc, the Roman "I" on the line bel= ow JETSAM appears at v large point size and forces the following text onto = a new page, which does not happen with the RTF in ImpTest1. I'll try them i= n Word 10 for Windows and report back. OvRTF loads perfectly in WINWORD 10 under 64-bit Windows 7, but not in the = same version of WORD running under 32-bit XP (blank page). Curious! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DD28D5C3A6 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p0ADD9Xi014075 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:13:09 GMT Received: from vpn2-118.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk (vpn2-118.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.4.118]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p0ADD8b3003302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:13:09 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:13:08 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <76B595DB-C7D9-4BD3-B40F-ACE50F9C1D38@ed.ac.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 432 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zsHe493BqGRL8m00qGYA:9 a=V_r-H0LhWwYmtkULoaEA:7 a=Lbp5jWF7ZryR_K1Z3jdNLEGCjjkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=hzyCiFtyBxjsWmBE:21 a=b7sZj9YdgfiM1mGk:21 On 10 Jan 2011, at 12:23, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >=20 >> Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weekend >> for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which >> appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. >=20 > Load into WordPad, save out and hope that loads into Word. >=20 > Presumably there is something odd about that document that results in RTF= that Word doesn't like. Some feature used in that document that is not usu= ally used. >=20 > No, there's no save RTF for Windows. I almost coded it. A while ago, ISTR you were looking into cut-and-paste with formatting/style= s ... any progress? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DC.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 15:54:08 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcJrl-2YT000-06-ELW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:54:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcJrl-2YT000-06-ELW; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:41:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcJrl-2YT000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:41:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcJrj-0004qm-VK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:41:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4CD6D5C9E3; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:41:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294674062; bh=dx8CCNRZVeViheAf6fyuqxVC7x95dAk+Uu/tSbJf 2LE=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FC0l5k+ow1EkNXAeOauJZiotivhba OyJinI9jIKur+pZ6v4SyhjCJJtgJAXn5K2qmfPVz38rviPYXlFhc5olrU5xTmstuCrS 4k/cXJRMsfwCnbrrHVe0ek4uqGUOxkGoPIquPrV/e7sZ9ANrQem321mvJVCD8J3ggSc RBgTu+7I= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JIo76VY4d8mc; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68686D5BDF8; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294674062; bh=dx8CCNRZVeViheAf6fyuqxVC7x95dAk+Uu/tSbJf 2LE=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FC0l5k+ow1EkNXAeOauJZiotivhba OyJinI9jIKur+pZ6v4SyhjCJJtgJAXn5K2qmfPVz38rviPYXlFhc5olrU5xTmstuCrS 4k/cXJRMsfwCnbrrHVe0ek4uqGUOxkGoPIquPrV/e7sZ9ANrQem321mvJVCD8J3ggSc RBgTu+7I= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40A63D5C8AD for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ANHCSjqsw+eV for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABF49D5BDF8 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 10:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukFAKC3Kk3UnwYz/2dsb2JhbACWMo8CuxSFTAQ Received: from pih-webmail01.servers.plus.net (HELO webmail.plus.net) ([212.159.6.51]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2011 15:40:46 +0000 Received: from 163.160.116.27 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tinshill+ajh) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:40:47 -0000 Message-ID: <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:40:47 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF From: "Anthony Hilton" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 433 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hJJXFQkdQkll6Rg5KccA:9 a=sN4vHHkbzJ72Ph6G-1QA:7 a=SwPPcZX8ORt3OpdIKSiGKCfg8wUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=OBDePlUKaT80Uca1:21 a=TYUTtkyF71PkOvSu:21 > Help! > I'm in the brown stuff... > I've been encouraging my dear wife to migrate from Imp Publisher to RIS= C > OS OvPro, and for a while that was going okay, but she does need to > sometimes Save out at RTF to transfer to the PC and Word. > > Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this weeke= nd > for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, which > appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. > > I've tried this on two different versions of Word with the same end > result. Tester1.tf into Word 11 (2003) on Win XP (32 bit) appears blank. Ctrl-A t= o select all (doesn't show anything is selected) and either Clear Formattin= g or select the Normal style and the text appears. Anthony --=20 Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 16:09:09 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcKF6-3ic000-03-DyB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:09:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcKF6-3ic000-03-DyB; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:05:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcKF6-3ic000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:05:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcKF2-00005w-Uu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:05:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B007ED5C8B4; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:05:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294675507; bh=maaCIkHXJmwH1r8XbKs7p4YtuYIGmUubqiXUr+PY muI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=l/tsYS MDfyuzQEb2CCcJPnEWX167SHBjhZKSWvqUB/Yz5zTAmxe91lVoJKCw5m6HxRpVHTPAo DlPZb3fXB9+Z0tQ5/nImIjUvu5twZxOSRX80Ey/0zLAKcDOJqwuONzNsaGl3NTeMjBP ZV3XSAI+bVN0vLcu2eXP3pkR1RfbDqI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aLDOKskZ9KsW; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F36FBD5B8F9; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294675506; bh=maaCIkHXJmwH1r8XbKs7p4YtuYIGmUubqiXUr+PY muI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=PiVrAt IU3Ic4a8oFXUPCgqYSvc/OyXLCPJplZ94I6Cv0JGQlj3SVlbMLk2jYU/m1kzpsGH4D0 4dcOEhWhtbImVr6s9VWhZngw6y+oyqUvFl0VfpP4ej8tAWfoGbKip5IlxcFkEPu8tQO CZP+API1T8eAiL086zf41YN6ryn67SM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9CAED5C56F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XbkLSfOBAdRA for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48202D5B8F9 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.102.220]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0AG4mn2032064 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:04:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:04:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 434 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nDxoZL-EQstVwnDc34gA:9 a=5R1Y1cq0fJpoB_ONXewA:7 a=SCW7ZYDR1MLihIUPtZWrq5Z32xAA:4 a=r8e6-J0Mhl37P8rI:21 a=X80BdWfjTxWHpTcT:21 In article <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > Help! I'm in the brown stuff... I've been encouraging my dear wife to > > migrate from Imp Publisher to RISC OS OvPro, and for a while that was > > going okay, but she does need to sometimes Save out at RTF to transfer > > to the PC and Word. > > > > Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this > > weekend for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation > > Pro, which appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. > > > > I've tried this on two different versions of Word with the same end > > result. > Tester1.tf into Word 11 (2003) on Win XP (32 bit) appears blank. Ctrl-A > to select all (doesn't show anything is selected) and either Clear > Formatting or select the Normal style and the text appears. > Anthony That is very interesting Anthony, thanks. If we now re-apply just one (Any one) piece of formatting the text again vanishes. (Obviously returns when formatting is cleared again). While it's interesting and useful to see, not much help overall as it loses all the formatting. There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 16:09:09 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcKIk-0ESknw-06-DuX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:09:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcKIk-0ESknw-06-DuX; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:08:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcKIk-0ESknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:08:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcKIg-0003OY-7Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:08:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E993ED5C980; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294675732; bh=lWaSJJ0QxWQW7JW9UuIojDJp6XVgCWKGMABwo2W1 UT0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PyFRLRF0K4J1LNYHczRobs24TM9ZLyz6S+MQT0poREKBURVrnX +LmGgTVo5Y8LKilyy1r3VuslWOdFmfnf6Ug69rSs2DgBHX8WTbBQE94KnczCRPDyymn bKBAoY7xcXagw0HNEPO2g7RL68JPz3p/i0cy70YlettrlFU+gdGscE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jz2U2Ysj8wEw; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F2BED5BFC6; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294675731; bh=lWaSJJ0QxWQW7JW9UuIojDJp6XVgCWKGMABwo2W1 UT0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TyYnww5Ny0c3FKS3TEoOdfhtgQBDMImtN+WFre8OzoufYt+XEM wxmWg9zsQz+O2HTf3QXkI85XouvpedNHeMqMEbOWR366EjVChujelHeue8FoUDLABP0 a0d9PSnVvWc94Zkl7oXCzsY8+WFScTM99qEqq/IBTysZbdR34vD5bM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0159D5C029 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GaUyR2hrivs3 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92D34D5BFC6 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PcKIP-000699-ay for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:08:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:07:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <76B595DB-C7D9-4BD3-B40F-ACE50F9C1D38@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <76B595DB-C7D9-4BD3-B40F-ACE50F9C1D38@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 435 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zc--NiZF8Pj6iRPg9GsA:9 a=GrwsZXHteen-F4G8m-wA:7 a=Va_HBJaH_ComKQQaUh0BXfDNeLwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=P2JbeiM7fLTlQYEw:21 a=JxLOkgx5BFEM4bCu:21 HI, In message <76B595DB-C7D9-4BD3-B40F-ACE50F9C1D38@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >A while ago, ISTR you were looking into cut-and-paste with >formatting/styles ... any progress? No. I had it working, but not finished, and then when I had to produce a release version, I chickened out and turned off the paste with style stuff. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 16:54:11 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcKvG-2U7knw-08-DI1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:54:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcKvG-2U7knw-08-DI1; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:48:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcKvG-2U7knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:48:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcKvD-0005Dt-Ru for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:48:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 319E9D5D248; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294678122; bh=7s1yR4PVOK3WpzDbkbJuOsNJU1PZ0kls39nuX89F UdY=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cQXrEAKYV1KaFIGT5ApqQR1DTDnRKppHBeycPFnSK3YMQqKgqN V5EN73WoCetXln2a+wutGrfeb5zovt7uVenFr+4W/Z1MJunZ01VcDm+a5mHqy4RLiCO edU0PleabN0OnDYQbnIsk9Tg1nx3kDNrQF+wDL6mnT7DVXdSBXt3yY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sv4wKenl0tnY; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B400D5CC04; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294678121; bh=7s1yR4PVOK3WpzDbkbJuOsNJU1PZ0kls39nuX89F UdY=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fB0w5FksT+LzKNguOXwnh3NA46prt+AW2hbzw1G2/ER28UzSGu 5hYdPIhBOldpli7ohnlJ+srAjGVq4tODGMUJglCjDbDW4t9GcTHvHntcGYVNqDWAYqs IK3maJduvWNKiqyVTwWG5F6Oqq/9r01J2P4JoEQ/5aVtGMhG6S/CYA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03EC7D5CFCA for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R+7+ZyXEW+8m for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 701CAD5CC04 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.167.155]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0AGmOWT001473 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:48:25 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:48:23 GMT Message-ID: <4d6c7b9351.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 436 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=93T_4N5o8IQmY1h6oPEA:9 a=SCHO1-f7bCAJXelTFF8A:7 a=Xoa_X09jBgR-fMLmaNJlRQ1kY4QA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=0yDoZ2QwESvgj7Vw:21 a=SYxg26uvvvuBIJ4z:21 In message <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>, > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> Tester1.tf into Word 11 (2003) on Win XP (32 bit) appears blank. Ctrl-A >> to select all (doesn't show anything is selected) and either Clear >> Formatting or select the Normal style and the text appears. >> Anthony > That is very interesting Anthony, thanks. > If we now re-apply just one (Any one) piece of formatting the text again > vanishes. (Obviously returns when formatting is cleared again). > While it's interesting and useful to see, not much help overall as it > loses all the formatting. > There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. A quick look at the two rtf files shows that the OPro version defines some styles with the word additive, whereas Imp doesn't. While I don't know what that means, it does make me wonder whether the way the styles are defined is upsetting Word. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 17:09:11 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcL5O-0CL000-04-D7t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:09:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcL5O-0CL000-04-D7t; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:59:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcL5O-0CL000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:59:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcL5I-0000ww-1i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:59:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5199D5D226; 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.vanderhoff.org.uk (shell.vanderhoff.org.uk [77.73.7.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71684D5CDBA for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 11:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (magpieway.net [87.127.17.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shell.vanderhoff.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B19F022C19F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:58:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:58:37 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 437 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ifnDvGoKN71i6eB-ZrUA:9 a=wSxMal_hvnT0FuvaCNEA:7 a=q4pKED7ixt-By5Snk14slo7KxGkA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 On 10/01/11 16:04, Dave Symes wrote: > > There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. > Nothing obvious about that; rather jumping to conclusions. Both RTFs open correctly in OpenOffice. Why do people continue to frig about with that Microsoft crap? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 17:39:12 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcLWZ-0uBVbs-03-Cgi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:39:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcLWZ-0uBVbs-03-Cgi; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:27:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcLWZ-0uBVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:27:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcLWW-0001sj-1y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:27:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54701D5D365; 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.241]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CED6D5CB65 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:26:57 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQGAJDQKk1cDyVl/2dsb2JhbACWOI4OdLtFhUwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,301,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="328172691" Received: from host-92-15-37-101.as43234.net (HELO iMac.local) ([92.15.37.101]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2011 17:26:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4D2B415F.8020209@red-squirrel.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:26:55 +0000 From: Roger Foden Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> In-Reply-To: <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 438 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XOODOXShaOUh1rMtXicA:9 a=6Xq8rHG4MxWPU8otGvwA:7 a=e7DFNOjqR1MV5p-fh8rj5-j8dPMA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 On 10/01/2011 04:58, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 10/01/11 16:04, Dave Symes wrote: > >> >> There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. >> > > Nothing obvious about that; rather jumping to conclusions. > > Both RTFs open correctly in OpenOffice. Why do people continue to frig > about with that Microsoft crap? > > And both open correctly in Pages and in TextEdit for Mac. The only oddity is a lowercase 'g' two lines below the last sentence in the ImpTest1.rtf document. Looking at the basic source, there is quite a difference between the two documents in the preamble before the actual text, though both begin with the standard {\rtf1\ansi . Microsoft Word for Mac (2004) won't open Tester1.rtf : the program freezes, but ImpTest1.rtf is OK. Regards Roger -- Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 17:39:12 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcLbB-2piVbs-07-Cc6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:39:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcLbB-2piVbs-07-Cc6; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:32:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcLbB-2piVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:32:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcLb2-0002Pl-3n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:32:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF386D5C51D; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294680711; bh=ZLIkMP2QBg9d9bzgdhTHXSST047a4188Xbw5F84J FBI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iwPNVypW2cXauZ+hpAnW+QS8G+vDNMn9pckrs83QtXON3sywj+ eIuFrS1e02EBoAjKUfswwlsXhBgftpBLJq0HZsIAIyIlcIPmzw9K1C9/PqZu6+X2k9X cegHyHUcdg0ViIpJtHuUZ7KoXJPAOV0KbMyV4yMZ0eu/gqqMJeUBsA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8x9NjWOELkBt; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D706D5C4EB; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294680711; bh=ZLIkMP2QBg9d9bzgdhTHXSST047a4188Xbw5F84J FBI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iwPNVypW2cXauZ+hpAnW+QS8G+vDNMn9pckrs83QtXON3sywj+ eIuFrS1e02EBoAjKUfswwlsXhBgftpBLJq0HZsIAIyIlcIPmzw9K1C9/PqZu6+X2k9X cegHyHUcdg0ViIpJtHuUZ7KoXJPAOV0KbMyV4yMZ0eu/gqqMJeUBsA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E01DD5C4BC for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCF7WKlZwJMw for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40FFCD5C35E for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 12:31:32 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmQGAFDRKk1UXeb0/2dsb2JhbACWOI4Pc7tAhUwEiwqDIA Received: from outmx03.plus.net ([84.93.230.244]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2011 17:31:29 +0000 Received: from [87.112.187.170] (helo=standalone.xemik.com) by outmx03.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1PcLaa-0006DI-Qk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:31:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:29:49 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51937F3757%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> In-Reply-To: <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.01 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 439 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=aWJfat-lAAAA:8 a=R2OTYkJWAAAA:8 a=YLs-sxLQAAAA:8 a=bKMCzSZhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LF3JFX-wQER4n4SjlQgA:9 a=2dxSfFvQFyqoYV4KGOwA:7 a=cI5my1DLKNbx17Op4SLKuup3y2kA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EcQXcao8HCYA:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 a=FeDn5ByjUKUA:10 a=CPb8YepV-fmIpKv6:21 a=_5rkp_O0qbKclN4Q:21 In article <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Both RTFs open correctly in OpenOffice. Why do people continue to frig > about with that Microsoft crap? OT but I can't help having a wry smile when I read that Word doesn't display an RTF file because it doesn't appear to think it is formatted properly. Over half of the web pages on the 'net are cludged because Micro$oft can't follow industry standards (or try to manipulate them to their own advantage). -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net The light of a hundred stars does not equal the light of the moon. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 19:24:15 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcNFD-1FS000-07-Ay4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:24:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcNFD-1FS000-07-Ay4; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:17:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcNFD-1FS000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:17:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcNFB-0001jY-GX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:17:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FAD9D5D2CA; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294687047; bh=K7VYctXZwdyGn8WdcP7Rn2H8wW0A0TOixcl4TWjH Qao=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Fd+saf A6p44N7hLdTtJOAVB0V9TIME6r5F3RM4l534oRO8lqTciA9Yfb5XS5mrpWl8aCAMhzq rWQdWcfeUPSKEJ7ZOtsSWv9oLnE8X11ZbCXlT7fsbjD8sNxtGL/3mxCo2nwSlSh5Xhy vJRk84488bVbrF0fe19BWsYGS23YGCE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Mn3ZKlVWtVV; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A979D5C1A4; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294687046; bh=K7VYctXZwdyGn8WdcP7Rn2H8wW0A0TOixcl4TWjH Qao=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=AkDU9n poHaasrW4SslRvZdqtCEpOEWW7uhHekKTkVGXnts2ARUnC5BHSIWBxwdFBbwrDEmptw 8u9Ji7Tlj6lVg7ceE/C5bU3j2lAmLFk4+mlOFh8YgQdNdeNK4GdvGGqme2hrSX0WCMa 39PhYToCXV4c4r9Cg5KkJQ8fj/+s7wE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44A7AD5D261 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oe0WxXdleXDy for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DA52D5C1A4 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.183.226]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0AJH6G3007371 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:17:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:16:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 440 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GpZo_G9oeADmY99pbJ8A:9 a=pvDp9unOk3vIC0bzqbIA:7 a=UYS_iqpl4DIJtjBgCXd1O0TBh1MA:4 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 In article <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org>, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 10/01/11 16:04, Dave Symes wrote: > > > > There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. > > > Nothing obvious about that; rather jumping to conclusions. > Both RTFs open correctly in OpenOffice. Why do people continue to frig > about with that Microsoft crap? Really OT. But quick answer. OO is a bloated slow to do anything piece if kit, but more importantly, If someone send you a complex DocX file to edit, and you attempt to edit it in OO, when you return said file to originator, they are not best pleased at the mess they get. Particularly if you are an editor, (She is) and get paid for the job. Back to the plot... There is so much difference between the the construction of the RTF output from OvPro and all the other sources of RTF I've looked at. All other sources of RTF I've tried load into Word okay... As noted even RTF out of the ancient Imp Publisher, which was always known for producing iffy RTF, works in Word. Thank goodness there are a few folks here with a less pejorative view of Fay's problem. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 10 21:39:20 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcPPB-2eOknw-07-8o6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:39:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcPPB-2eOknw-07-8o6; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:35:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcPPB-2eOknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:35:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcPP6-0005zb-4A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:35:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C2FD5C5A0; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294691908; bh=oXy10A3oVPCPSK4oIaTIPVl0xboXqch5KfSgLwn+ n+4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IqXkBrrvb0aU2J /UzPbQeiE5Kw5zusA+Dq3pYCCOevLB94YG/g+UCW5H3w3SosOC4zmwMJlsvq/+EzHBp wTs4t0p2+xMaHdtopBRwZVuaa4h/WiD2q9IhZiAJijfgHI5WNOIDlryx+OM292H7yAB msRaCJfI141qjXgSqcoMa0I= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a4nhH7GV1RcC; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9450DD5BF4F; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294691907; bh=oXy10A3oVPCPSK4oIaTIPVl0xboXqch5KfSgLwn+ n+4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xQzOr1CECQ8qBf eKO9Q7e/HP/Y65RpxnXcMctqEPwTncAxlhZtGRC9qJdbRpslX3DW5x1+ZE/klvm55iR GKXJTvumuaRC9hwfkP8O7MB8EZ9uAxBKpp7DywsX+HJXpXt8jW3TuNaVkZo1rSMD9ju pXveyDg7r1mIEy2pY5PPrdc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F8FBD5C31C for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yWNtssLcZhH3 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10250D5C109 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 192.168.123.1 ([91.85.161.60]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id p0AKbtwO008683 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:37:56 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ovation Pro) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 20:29:59 +0000 X-Organization: Orpheusmail, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.41 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-Id: <2455572.2029599-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 441 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cUSuk6OqaLznuZ9WEUQA:9 a=IYGuFkNG_Ckwyk68KnkA:7 a=165xgnFZoan1He97naiiXyk3sPkA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On Mon 10 Jan 2011 (11:03:07 +0000), dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: >Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this >weekend for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, >which appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. > Try cut-and-paste from the windows version of O-Pro. Or use RiScript to create a PDF and then cut and paste from that. 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Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PcPgr-0002sd-ng for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:54:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 21:52:34 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <2455572.2029599-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2455572.2029599-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 442 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fJ7p51BqAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Fa_xLbOHQs_mYQhuXZAA:9 a=oYy1oHRbfwvkRfQPHvkA:7 a=Xo66-5iKONoEaxerP10rVHECEcMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EiAL5nLiLjwA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=PFD_9h6VfUg_URlx:21 a=qUgmSbYVjicRx9sU:21 In message <2455572.2029599-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Ovation Pro writes >On Mon 10 Jan 2011 (11:03:07 +0000), dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: >>Until recently, that (It appears) worked perfectly okay, but this >>weekend for some unfathomable reason, the RTF files out of Ovation Pro, >>which appear to load in Word only display as a blank document. >> > Try cut-and-paste from the windows version of O-Pro. Or use RiScript to create >a PDF and then cut and paste from that. Cut and paste on Windows will only transfer text, you might as well save out a text file version. As to PDF, again you'll only get text, assuming the text is not mangled. The other route that might work (and I'm not making any promises) is HTML. There are some third party HTML import/export filters. At best you might have bold and italic info preserved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Or use RiScript to > create a PDF and then cut and paste from that. > John Dear Oh dear Oh dear! Sorry John, thanks for the thought, but no banana... Neither is of use in this situation. The whole point of RTF is it retains much document format. You don't want to stick something in Word and have to spend a load of time redoing Headers, indents, etc etc. As it doesn't work au-natural, the simplest solution is put the RTF in AbiWord, Save out as RTF and dump that in Word. Quick, clean, easy... All other suggestions so far would be making a lot more work for the poor woman. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 11 15:08:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pcfoo-3EqVbs-07-9RV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:08:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pcfoo-3EqVbs-07-9RV; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:07:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pcfoo-3EqVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:07:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pcfom-0000TK-T4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:07:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B327D5CB7F; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:07:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294758446; bh=NYVS+zPqMq7JVEhZ95KJhuuFOnn3iT8XJc5ktKlq 9Aw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=tLw784+c6ntovxBRN91U2ElJe6M2WRv3ksXHkfBo v8OCp0WnHCi7tjVmstbxkQLy4qVka6y7e8csHUmVuy6xb3u3HM/rp8E7Y1peNd4jwFM G/6lT2o+ZyB0ZPM2I/xA9Kc2qajcifWbBlj8xHkw7J5H7mdvfI69NgVLgawo7wzU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5D2ED5CB4A for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ja3of+HYiWii for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25535D5CAD0 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsEGAB4BLE1UXebj/2dsb2JhbACWKI4Qc7wYhUwE Received: from outmx01.plus.net ([84.93.230.227]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2011 15:07:11 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by outmx01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PcfoV-00037A-7x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:10:14 +0000 From: Roger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101123 SeaMonkey/2.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@penniceard.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OAg-_DM9H9z3KPf7UJcA:9 a=rYeAW2o-t32TF6IeJ_8A:7 a=JPALZyUX-qCSwUvwVbqjOdJdasIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 Dave Symes wrote: > In article<4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org>, > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >> > On 10/01/11 16:04, Dave Symes wrote: >> >>> > > >>> > > There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. >>> > > >>> >> > Nothing obvious about that; rather jumping to conclusions. >> >> > Both RTFs open correctly in OpenOffice. Why do people continue to frig >> > about with that Microsoft crap? >> Solution appears to persuade wife to use Open Office and for distribution save documents in Word format from Open Office. Or go to Word via Open Office save. Roger To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 11 16:23:27 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pcgpt-0uT000-06-Gww.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:23:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pcgpt-0uT000-06-Gww; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:12:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pcgpt-0uT000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:12:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pcgpr-0006Gt-37 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:12:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B711BD5CCA0; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294762357; bh=TEt1dadJnHthj6TavHJbZNMOwCdOaWzsLTbUiina 8PQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WXSxHA u+R8CKMuuCKzPoURj3d+IuQ6z9kG+GssoDRv9bEQyAlvEyU0OOE/uNi9lBctYhP0ciK sm7Ifk+/Do9i7lgjM2+x//aSLjSy/3c8scwb+/XqjuYxiE4raVKed5VdQ97ER64fFE4 anorNEiVwXc4WT3STtGJpGoJ/Eob4mo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHXNpUO+ChrJ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B6CAD5CA7E; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294762356; bh=TEt1dadJnHthj6TavHJbZNMOwCdOaWzsLTbUiina 8PQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=czBWJy 25oMxrT6yOnpQNtiTfQm9c/Du6VnqnzSRdLoH0X+VfZLMgApV9T9J8sWCcmJlHeWwqz r6lGYrgy3Ndc5kUcOxeSA3la2KNGx9Vx1ZAQfGHCXoQkMRh8agENnw3Kvibm5OYqAGT c+Kac5khu6BiOTbvvq3lRo2kJTclljo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1107D5CA92 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUJ6yfjykH5s for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 890BCD5CA7E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.182.133]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0BGCHB0029413 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:12:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 445 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=1WKaXhBPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4j8JpDD2haoIuY4mFyoA:9 a=5tVMGPQVhpVoNuWoh8IA:7 a=n5yLAae9mAjZCA3uNIc6jV0HSOUA:4 a=vUEFnavaIaMA:10 a=5og4Yp1Z3a5hn_mx:21 a=9vOZ_3KmQvtTq_eF:21 In article <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk>, Roger wrote: [Snippy] > Solution appears to persuade wife to use Open Office and for > distribution save documents in Word format from Open Office. Or go to > Word via Open Office save. > Roger I assume you read my quick reply yesterday. To expand a little on something many OO fans still don't understand in their zeal... Open Office can work perfectly okay on traditional Word documents, but DocX is another fantasy land altogether, and while OO can handle simple DocX files, throws something with lot of complexity and formatting at it and the structure of the doc becomes the brown stuff. I do have the latest version of OO installed on one of the machines... Believe me, she has on a couple of occasions (My suggestion) tried that manouver, and it didn't work. I'm just piggy in the middle ATM, and believe me OO is not the answer. Anyway this is really a side issue to the simple fact that OvPro for RO has an iffy RTF output and OvPro for Windows doesn't have one at all... Infact with OvPro for Windows all you can output (of any use) is .dpd or text... Which to be honest, when you compare it to similar products in the Win world is rather trivial, and in the Windows world almost a waste of time. 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Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dombey.localdomain (chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk [80.177.169.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1254D5C192 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by dombey.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 1552FC166; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:37:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Deri James To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:37:26 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.33.7-desktop-2mnb; KDE/4.5.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Dave Symes References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary-01=_GdILNxcDFSW46Rw" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201101111637.26977.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> X-archive-position: 446 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=oGYEGPIRQFyQE6d7XfcA:9 a=fyGgIQHLFfD3O5TVRbwA:7 a=tp22LPxegZEQqHyMtxXZr6BN7HcA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=f5p4SOGop1DYX5Qi_J4A:9 a=7208w6iS_VUE0JjM4yUA:7 a=EIh3mJkNQeG8_Cks97TD0eJeUEgA:4 --Boundary-01=_GdILNxcDFSW46Rw Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tuesday 11 Jan 2011 16:09:19 Dave Symes wrote: > To expand a little on something many OO fans still don't understand in > their zeal... > Open Office can work perfectly okay on traditional Word documents, but > DocX is another fantasy land altogether, and while OO can handle simple > DocX files, throws something with lot of complexity and formatting at it > and the structure of the doc becomes the brown stuff. Hi Dave, Am I right in thinking that the newer versions of Word can still output the old .doc format? If so, perhaps one solution is that if you receive a .docx file you ask the sender if they could resend the file as .doc, since you state that "Open Office can work perfectly okay on traditional Word document", this would seem a solution. Of course when you return the edited document save it as the old format since this can be read by newer versions of Word as well. Cheers Deri --Boundary-01=_GdILNxcDFSW46Rw Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Tuesday 11 Jan 2011 16:09:19 Dave Symes wrote:

> To expand a little on something many OO fans still don't understand in

> their zeal...

> Open Office can work perfectly okay on traditional Word documents, but

> DocX is another fantasy land altogether, and while OO can handle simple

> DocX files, throws something with lot of complexity and formatting at it

> and the structure of the doc becomes the brown stuff.


Hi Dave,


Am I right in thinking that the newer versions of Word can still output the old .doc format? If so, perhaps one solution is that if you receive a .docx file you ask the sender if they could resend the file as .doc, since you state that "Open Office can work perfectly okay on traditional Word document", this would seem a solution. Of course when you return the edited document save it as the old format since this can be read by newer versions of Word as well.


Cheers


Deri



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X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.41 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-Id: <2455573.1631456-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5193977183dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oqeavZBARnJnnm8sIywA:9 a=PkKsBSXnLGuwpcGFmA4A:7 a=TWz9zNhasgypnDKF5B5SBpxg5zEA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=jbITnQV4vsq8FBzo:21 a=MaP6mbTkdxkpou0n:21 On Mon 10 Jan 2011 (21:54:27 +0000), dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: >> Try cut-and-paste from the windows version of O-Pro. Or use RiScript >to >> create a PDF and then cut and paste from that. > >> John > >Dear Oh dear Oh dear! > >Sorry John, thanks for the thought, but no banana... Neither is of use >in this situation. > >The whole point of RTF is it retains much document format. >You don't want to stick something in Word and have to spend a load of >time redoing Headers, indents, etc etc. > Dave I would suggest using Microsoft Publisher rather than Word for anything other than the simplest documents. Cut and paste from windows O-PrO to Microsoft Publisher should retain most features. You might get better results using a windows PDF generator from O-Pro and cut and pasting from that. This will retain text and graphics. However the difficulty we often have is that the differences in fonts between RISCOS and Windows cause layout problems when a RISCOS document is opened in Windows - except for the common fonts like Trinity**. Also the RISCOS illustrations need to be Jpegs not Sprites or Draw. 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Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE7D4D5CA1E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pchri-0002Xa-kk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:18:38 +0000 Message-ID: <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:17:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 448 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=obJ4we9IzLKFmdYuEwMA:9 a=O0FzaYKfWVNb0z71pKUA:7 a=k2yau1MgYPwoXvMLSm8tRnAW0AYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=WDTOLYNZqBKDTB3I:21 a=2DR-HqDhE9WStpSJ:21 Hi, In message <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Anyway this is really a side issue to the simple fact that OvPro for RO >has an iffy RTF output and OvPro for Windows doesn't have one at all... A big mistake we made was not supporting MS Word at the start, the people behind Techwriter got a grant from Acorn to do so. My feelings don't matter, but I don't like RTF, I did wonder if there was anything else. Maybe the discussion shows the problem, OO represents a huge effort, far more than I could manage, it's a project where they've tried to do nothing other than be compatible with Word, and yet you're complaining about it. The fact you have something to complain about represents a success for MS. Import/export from OP are outside the main program. Someone else could write filters. Recently the horrifying thought that it is 14 years since OP was "finished" (Spring 1997) keeps coming to me. It's even worse because although I've not tried at all for the last four years, before that I did put a substantial amount of effort in. My capacity to do work is limited so that at the end of the day, the typical Windows user will appear with a long list of "*must have*" features and reject the program. Import/export filters are a blatant shortcoming, if I go away for a year and write some, all I'll get is a list of problems with them (because OP's features are different to Word) and the information that something else is vital. I see my fate as what happens to the "little guy" when an industry develops. In 1987, you could be Jim Button and make your fortune from a simple PC word processor (or Charles Moir in 1981). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.183.253]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0BIjqOC000764 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:45:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:45:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <519409f3d9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 449 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Q9xE3i16P5u0L9gILNAA:9 a=XNmDoM9HLCBsP--8plkA:7 a=L9krSdVi7yTp9ClRLUbJDX6NdWwA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=xTYopw4YnTTyh-_y:21 a=Su23uVuWwK_STpHV:21 In article <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Anyway this is really a side issue to the simple fact that OvPro for RO > >has an iffy RTF output and OvPro for Windows doesn't have one at all... > A big mistake we made was not supporting MS Word at the start, the > people behind Techwriter got a grant from Acorn to do so. > My feelings don't matter, but I don't like RTF, I did wonder if there > was anything else. RTF is a kind of minimalist approach, it may not be very elegant, but it's a form that enables the transport of stuff without being tied to MS-Word. Apart from PDF there isn't anything else as universal. (not that I've found). > Maybe the discussion shows the problem, OO represents a huge effort, far > more than I could manage, it's a project where they've tried to do > nothing other than be compatible with Word, and yet you're complaining > about it. The fact you have something to complain about represents a > success for MS. On a personal note, I wish the conversation had stayed away from OO as it has very little to do with the problem in hand. She uses Word and has to, simple as that. > Import/export from OP are outside the main program. Someone else could > write filters. Not within my capabilities, I'm very skilled at what I do, but writing code ain't one of them. > Recently the horrifying thought that it is 14 years since OP was > "finished" (Spring 1997) keeps coming to me. It's even worse because > although I've not tried at all for the last four years, before that I > did put a substantial amount of effort in. And goodness me David we do all appreciate the work you put in and continue to do with fix updates. Ov Pro is an exceptional piece of work which I (rather than Her) use daily in RO to work parts of my business, and on the Win version when I have to be over there. > My capacity to do work is limited so that at the end of the day, the > typical Windows user will appear with a long list of "*must have*" > features and reject the program. > Import/export filters are a blatant shortcoming, if I go away for a year > and write some, all I'll get is a list of problems with them (because > OP's features are different to Word) and the information that something > else is vital. That I can understand. A while back I showed Windows OvPro to a Windows only friend, he was impressed at how easy it was to use, but then the inevitable came up, can it Load and Save Word files. Then his enthusiasm vanished... > I see my fate as what happens to the "little guy" when an industry > develops. In 1987, you could be Jim Button and make your fortune from a > simple PC word processor (or Charles Moir in 1981). Shame really, because more often than not, it's the little guy who turns up with some really useful innovations, rather than the usual bloat additions in the Win universe with ever version update of a MS product. Good wishes for 2011 Mr P. You are still a hero in my eyes. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 11 19:08:31 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PcjNd-3DBVbs-08-EPC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:08:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PcjNd-3DBVbs-08-EPC; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:55:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PcjNd-3DBVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:55:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PcjNa-0001au-UA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:55:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 854E9D5D4D4; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294772137; bh=6m5jMc4p4bf+6aIgCwA0ng7uOr35Ciyk5/YnQsDD 3HE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=XXFE4h1gs5RmroDPkfYm/+OW5Jspol66lM7yve7P6/1/Kv6r0f TbjUDhfMVX/MQn8cfAN5NXCO99TVrfYR9nK85Cwqsw4yKqGHgl9KfUezjzprCB4ccuJ CmFPbJbHf2uWQqP4YLDjOJuIGVhSJfdXlGjTu+ploZGuCOuMO/7akA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHCmzcq+HMHW; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C29CDD5CD7E; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1294772136; bh=6m5jMc4p4bf+6aIgCwA0ng7uOr35Ciyk5/YnQsDD 3HE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=hwNm/lp6QWZaplY7kFCzmZ63ouuFCzwBJOS0Mnvk4uWmytVrVS ZQ8dyqxyvRuiE6scx+7yxs7SkQEx8OFsOJz+Z0umsDkV0bhn4ftUBUYVSza6+8CY6E8 OzO6jxPJdQtwelFAVKGaf3MY92dtitMUOKBHh8DBkL1lUrA0TkODps= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85767D5D45C for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WBmiA9kAQwfG for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15296D5CD7E for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:55:21 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsEGAMo2LE3Unw4T/2dsb2JhbACWKI4Rc7xOhUwEiw6DIA Received: from outmx04.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2011 18:55:20 +0000 Received: from [87.115.33.78] (helo=standalone.xemik.com) by outmx04.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1PcjNH-0000Tw-Uq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:55:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:49:43 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51940A5DD8%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <2455573.1631456-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2455573.1631456-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.01 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 450 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fJ7p51BqAAAA:8 a=aWJfat-lAAAA:8 a=R2OTYkJWAAAA:8 a=YLs-sxLQAAAA:8 a=bKMCzSZhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uZ_vXfCj9j7L6Qwrqw8A:9 a=bJJylJcOEHPilbvqmXgA:7 a=PowNu7GEUPHJLQ6i5fyIQnzqebYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EcQXcao8HCYA:10 a=EiAL5nLiLjwA:10 a=FeDn5ByjUKUA:10 a=s5lYJ_MfiqCDlk_a:21 a=QiRRQU9NgCbJAWNj:21 In article <2455573.1631456-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> Ovation Pro wrote: > I would suggest using Microsoft Publisher rather than Word for anything > other than the simplest documents. [snip] Well, a decent Windows DTP program at least. I find it rather odd that people expect a DTP program to export anything other than plain text. I have Techwriter /and/ OPro, because both are very good at what they were designed to do. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net Arguing is constructive; quarrelling is destructive. 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([91.84.82.171]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0BKfpO0002704 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:41:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <519414ab09riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2B3ABD.6080000@vanderhoff.org> <519388f5e0dave@triffid.co.uk> <4D2C80E6.2010706@penniceard.co.uk> <5193fbae87dave@triffid.co.uk> <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 451 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pvXHtNpz3nmdhSgOp_EA:9 a=NU2kte6cxZ-ntCGJzBQA:7 a=3h3i2vPPYLfNQdFMNVZkQwzuB4EA:4 a=SCGVhr46Pi2eh2VP:21 a=ab7k0MJshSk3FY2x:21 In article <7WPJQZEnCJLNFwA5@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I see my fate as what happens to the "little guy" when an industry > develops. In 1987, you could be Jim Button and make your fortune > from a simple PC word processor (or Charles Moir in 1981). Well all I can say, David, is that there are many of your customers who really appreciate the ease of use, the subtlety and the sheer versatility of OvPro. I bought a copy of Serif's DTP program, to explore whether it might be a solution to having an affordable piece of software to be used by various people within this parish so that we could collaborate in producing the magazine. When phoned by Serif and invited to upgrade to the program that had superseded it, my response was: "I already have a far superior DTP program. If only yours were as easy to use as Ovation Pro, I might buy from you." And that's why, unfortunately, I'm still the sole producer of our parish magazine! Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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Th= e images were reference, and saved in a subdirectory inside the directory c= ontaining the OPW document. Today, I changed the name of the directory. Understandably, OPW I couldn't = view the images inside the OPW file. So, I saved the file as DDL and edited= the DDL (picture references) with the new path name for the directory (usi= ng Notepad) ... and re-saved the DDL file. However, when I tried to open th= e DDL file with OPW, I got "File format not supported". Is that supposed to= happen? If I set the directory name to what it was originally, I can open the origi= nal OPW file and view the images. And when I save the file as DDL, OPW has = no problem recognizing the DDL file format. 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Sun, 16 Jan 2011 01:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFIhMk1UXeb6/2dsb2JhbACkaXO8aYVQBA Received: from outmx05.plus.net ([84.93.230.250]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2011 06:36:43 +0000 Received: from bapfish.plus.com ([84.92.151.71] helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PeMEF-0004MO-AE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:36:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW won't open DDL To: David Pilling From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:36:29 GMT Message-ID: References: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 453 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zhwjg3s0L64A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vgY7VX2SAfCvifNsVkQA:9 a=NuHUmCgLktY8n2FVOvQA:7 a=lyEOvV3_UyWTZEqU55IHmJ-32AwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=2rmgiqhL2YZqNKBI:21 a=lA-jewBrJMh-898E:21 In message <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Yesterday, I created an OPW document containing a series of JPEG > images. The images were reference, and saved in a subdirectory inside > the directory containing the OPW document. > Today, I changed the name of the directory. Understandably, OPW I > couldn't view the images inside the OPW file. So, I saved the file as > DDL and edited the DDL (picture references) with the new path name for > the directory (using Notepad) ... and re-saved the DDL file. However, > when I tried to open the DDL file with OPW, I got "File format not > supported". Is that supposed to happen? > If I set the directory name to what it was originally, I can open the > original OPW file and view the images. And when I save the file as > DDL, OPW has no problem recognizing the DDL file format. > What have I missed? > ========================================== > C.B. > ========================================== I find it best if referencing to a subdirectory off of where the OvPro file is to have a reference for each picture such as: {filepath}.^.subdirectory.picture/jpg Once all referenced pictures are setup like this, this method has the advantage of being able to move the OvPro file and subdirectory of pictures to another directory or computer (RISC OS or Windows) without alteration. Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 16 11:46:05 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PeQqe-1qk000-03-BEN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:46:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PeQqe-1qk000-03-BEN; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:32:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PeQqe-1qk000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:32:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PeQqa-0002yV-P8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:32:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2044CD5D009; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1295177554; bh=1kds5PelDaTc1k6jAXab6ubqogqwGiXq1Yg99lDH xUQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=w1PEzuSS53/VRHIHFOoKJUxeHV9UY811aTD9RtTtMUbmIZNIBC Ph3wZpaxrBRxsOkcMGmr30SDXpg/od0Pu21YWpJqlmX40VKdcWfwkXUKh9RXmJkz/y1 qQBkfMWL93zy8yfHLBkdgVLhqcNMqgA4MsPJSLPLOSCz8Vvaca7O/s= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iwEVJZdE0rde; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 276CED5CF90; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1295177553; bh=1kds5PelDaTc1k6jAXab6ubqogqwGiXq1Yg99lDH xUQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=P8/qJkqy0xkcOK+WiOSc67Di/eXjFDH2YCoPdwehRQGMwbMRPb UGvx17wK2dXpz+MJIHByFT+tL5A/Nc2bE1PRfA6ig6GSleYgRaAJ3kO2+B63RmuKhmf 393Zsn7zzCqa4TfNOjrMSqi60PtA+J3D3D+VQfxH5pjKrv1HxJTT74= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBBEAD5CFAD for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mo8Lz4KLo7Sl for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AE7DD5CF90 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PeQqI-0003i5-jc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:32:18 +0000 Message-ID: <8z9Y5hBzbtMNFwba@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:30:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW won't open DDL References: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 454 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zhwjg3s0L64A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Lj_ilLFdD_3ZZFw9Y9oA:9 a=kMzCP0sgwcWp1Vt6BSYA:7 a=RDto_-0ebxWkljtmmgJw84mbKoIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=kEYYqTfDvfJtK_yb:21 a=bvQ8mVUYDtNDXPCR:21 Hi, In message <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Notepad) ... and re-saved the DDL file. However, when I tried to open >the DDL file with OPW, I got "File format not supported". Is that >supposed to happen? It's telling you that you're trying to load a file type it does not know about. One possibility is that when editing the paths the extensions got changed. e.g. xxxx/myjpeg.jpg became yyyy/myjpeg I'd take it one step at a time, produce the DDL, try loading it, OK? Now change one filename by hand, try loading it again. Bernard is quite right about using document relative paths, but he has quoted the format for RISC OS, slightly different for Windows: {filedir}\picture.bmp (although I did change things so that the RISC OS format would work on Windows, so it might be OK) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26398D5C6D2 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p0GCgnRn000636 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:42:53 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([78.146.46.200]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id p0GCgmdW019377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:42:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW won't open DDL From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <8z9Y5hBzbtMNFwba@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:42:47 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <55504D5A-DD8B-447F-A12D-0B6C273C5034@ed.ac.uk> References: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> <8z9Y5hBzbtMNFwba@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zhwjg3s0L64A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OnMvysX2tOVEcdRyiTIA:9 a=6INAp84ylWOe-wetCwgA:7 a=k5X7dORBYQ7Ycm7uLyONyOLir_kA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=LIsxyXhqmktfU7zg:21 a=lTWoE8UmovdxYwEA:21 On 16 Jan 2011, at 11:30, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall= writes >> Notepad) ... and re-saved the DDL file. However, when I tried to open th= e DDL file with OPW, I got "File format not supported". Is that supposed to= happen? >=20 > It's telling you that you're trying to load a file type it does not know = about. One possibility is that when editing the paths the extensions got ch= anged. e.g. xxxx/myjpeg.jpg became yyyy/myjpeg >=20 > I'd take it one step at a time, produce the DDL, try loading it, OK?=20 As I recall, after the initial failure, I did take it one step at a time ..= . and it failed at this point (i.e. not OK). In other words, changing the m= aster directory name seemed to have the effect of causing OPW not to recogn= ize its own DDL filetype, even tho' no editing of the DDL had been done at = that point. This is what surprised me. But I'll run through the process aga= in when I have time, just to make sure I'm not imagining things, and report= back. On a general point, if the path to an image has changed, OPW will normally = open a document provided there is no image on the first page. It collapses = when it finds the first (incorrectly referenced) image as you scroll throug= h the document. I would have expected things to work in the same way when t= rying to open a DDL file in OPW. Or am I being naive? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:53:12 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlcGAPt4Mk1UXebj/2dsb2JhbACWUY4Xc7xGhVAE Received: from outmx01.plus.net ([84.93.230.227]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2011 12:53:08 +0000 Received: from bapfish.plus.com ([84.92.151.71] helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PeS6W-0000d7-9E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:53:08 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW won't open DDL To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:52:58 GMT Message-ID: <6ee27c9651.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> <8z9Y5hBzbtMNFwba@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8z9Y5hBzbtMNFwba@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 456 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zhwjg3s0L64A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bYII3X8NTCCIj-2Q4mgA:9 a=KuRC6Vsm17O2kuOmQAEA:7 a=gTaB9SepQaCLuccmPVCVB1lN7n4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=eIKLZF2bECfe_vuF:21 a=insN_KJX3acF0Ncd:21 David Pilling wrote: > Bernard is quite right about using document relative paths, but he has > quoted the format for RISC OS, slightly different for Windows: > {filedir}\picture.bmp > (although I did change things so that the RISC OS format would work on > Windows, so it might be OK) As previously quoted: {filepath}.^.subdirectory.picture/jpg works on both RISC OS and Windows. I regularly use this to transfer between both platforms. 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charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=AmBAt207M9AA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=RpmzrhrWSX1j4tXvOCMA:9 a=1RKtEXHXuBza49xWZ6EA:7 a=y0sAohrK_LqZut4ZwBQlGr9ZvTAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=g_N0J4cnJIS7_wtT:21 a=zTUsmFnryknWtSOl:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 457 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: maillist.parish@millers-way.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zhwjg3s0L64A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RpmzrhrWSX1j4tXvOCMA:9 a=QtuyGmGG6a0kmlyT_LQA:7 a=IrA9UcrVD69dNwdTVF5ImXvdSscA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=zJtGkovrXoYC5tPC:21 a=BF-a2vxazsoUFzYE:21 In message <55504D5A-DD8B-447F-A12D-0B6C273C5034@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 16 Jan 2011, at 11:30, David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In message <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk>, Clive >> Bonsall writes >>> Notepad) ... and re-saved the DDL file. However, when I tried to open >>> the DDL file with OPW, I got "File format not supported". Is that >>> supposed to happen? >> >> It's telling you that you're trying to load a file type it does not >> know about. One possibility is that when editing the paths the >> extensions got changed. e.g. xxxx/myjpeg.jpg became yyyy/myjpeg >> >> I'd take it one step at a time, produce the DDL, try loading it, OK? > As I recall, after the initial failure, I did take it one step at a > time ... and it failed at this point (i.e. not OK). In other words, > changing the master directory name seemed to have the effect of > causing OPW not to recognize its own DDL filetype, even tho' no > editing of the DDL had been done at that point. This is what surprised > me. But I'll run through the process again when I have time, just to > make sure I'm not imagining things, and report back. If you are using Notepad to edit the file, you may find that it is saving it as Unicode text and not ASCII. You can check it by looking at the file in a Hex editor and you will find [00] bytes in every other position. Easier still, compare the file sizes before and after edit. Unicode files will be twice the size if the text being edited is the same length as before. -- Grahame Parish maillistDOTparishATmillersHYPHENwayDOTnet Aylesbury, Bucks. HP19 (UK) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 16 14:16:10 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PeTKl-1MsGPo-04-8kG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:16:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PeTKl-1MsGPo-04-8kG; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:11:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PeTKl-1MsGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:11:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PeTKh-0007YQ-KQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:11:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B9EBD5D9CA; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1295187109; bh=MSpeAkeAZSZ9zM+froVT2pFKCG38qlz6uBRZu71b g9I=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CykajT6OPuVDz4QxBslbxL+pWW2Bzxq+UOEPEG+SALZponMnGe MQr3CKIZk4HjTchemOFcapo6ArDkQayQe6awrIz1FFTnANvMuVTkc/PLO3DzpgYuT8B Mucnth/9eVTWiaxG/xGT3etXYfXIdbkya/xfFTYrbK2bS5Ob8htLXc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELBAWDOWUT+V; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BEF9D5CA87; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1295187108; bh=MSpeAkeAZSZ9zM+froVT2pFKCG38qlz6uBRZu71b g9I=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cByCt10UNdPsP40k4FJ2ntQAEp892x9ouWuO4OrRq3w8sUQfot HLkG/OuP9LUD/dd7us4P6souYAlcpqzbXBNGQEsnlrO4MCRl8hIZ0GfTArNghnYBl2V WsaUQ7F6XKwmUZ8AxfEjLao2GMPIv6dgSJvjguOwg4IAsZ+pRRG97g= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65344D5CA8E for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRFXJF52aFvv for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DED78D5CA87 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PeTKP-0007h0-Yn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:11:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:10:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW won't open DDL References: <796D98FF-49D9-4C08-A505-4708AEF0B562@ed.ac.uk> <8z9Y5hBzbtMNFwba@pilling.demon.co.uk> <55504D5A-DD8B-447F-A12D-0B6C273C5034@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <55504D5A-DD8B-447F-A12D-0B6C273C5034@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 458 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zhwjg3s0L64A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5Q34zvlbbiss8w0QvfAA:9 a=6n2iJFoWsHnpbNPOKmMA:7 a=NyDHHgn-reBvSNJJ19rdj0GO1gsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hUauKyRn-uYA:10 a=QeIzkfvnk5L2GF4i:21 a=m-KKdEk1QkO5fdWG:21 Hi, In message <55504D5A-DD8B-447F-A12D-0B6C273C5034@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >As I recall, after the initial failure, I did take it one step at a >time ... and it failed at this point (i.e. not OK). In other words, >changing the master directory name seemed to have the effect of causing >OPW not to recognize its own DDL filetype, even tho' no editing of the >DDL had been done at that point. My feeling is that it is not the DDL that it is complaining about, it is the referenced files in it. Now, good point, it may be that if there's anything wrong with the filename like it does not exist you get this error, in which case going one step at a time won't work (unless the old and new picture folders exist), and if you're getting this error then the problem is you've not converted all the references, Yes, I've done an experiment, if the DDL contains a referenced picture and the referenced picture can't be found (because the folder it is in has changed name), you get the (misleading) "File format not supported" error. I'll perhaps fix this now. The solution to your problem is to convert *all* the references in the DDL into paths that exist. Miss any and you'll get this error. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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January 2011 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 459 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lEyIlxLMWYgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rlYWVLo1A9ti6PYuTLUA:9 a=1nHtjVVd6QCymuKwVUcA:7 a=Ut67xVhGEdTkj2-bqNUpJNC09-UA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UXukd_Vd9NAg1yuy:21 a=h2d_f6khw07AloRI:21 Hi, Having just put in a useful error message for Clive's problem above, it reminded me that I uploaded a new version of OPW last week. It says in the changes file: "Maximum word length in dictionaries increased to 63 characters - note that if you create dictionaries with words greater than the previous limit of 31 characters and then transfer the binary (*.dic) file to an older copy of the program a crash will result. One way of achieving this would be to install an old copy of the program over a new one. The option to warn if fonts are missing from pictures had no effect. If it is turned on it will now work." The main motivation for increasing the spell check length was the Dutch hyphenation dictionary from last year, where some words were getting truncated. The installer is at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling