From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 2 18:52:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ofz7w-1DDGPo-08-GiV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:52:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ofz7w-1DDGPo-08-GiV; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:48:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ofz7w-1DDGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:48:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ofz7v-0002G6-4m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:48:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C808FD26692; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YEwD+J8Dbw1k; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B94DD2667D; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52D1CD26680 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aVN2UJfdAanw for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D61F7D2667F for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-196-112.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.112]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o72HllQ8032712 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:47:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] DP's software disagreeing with !FullNames To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:47:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 73 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AhrRPc_TTiwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=LMVbStp1AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DuqAR1XvSxfvmvfCd5QA:9 a=GzoYU4xCjtJwL41_AFsA:7 a=3RLHFytvc44_J3Bk2P8ca-4q95sA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=1heZ5d08wmDbLgd1:21 a=wYpvyTggrK9EgL5v:21 Someone on a mailing list pointed me in the direction of Andrew Booker's app !FullNames from http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/ >From its help file: "if you keep the mouse still over a file that has been pinned to the pinboard (or a TinyDirs icon) that has had its name truncated with '...', the full filename will be displayed." In fact, it does this, with RISC OS 5.** even if the name isn't truncated. This suits my rather chaotic way of working perfectly. Today I had a couple of OPro files pinned, and found that !FullNames gives only the leaf name; I then tried pinning a jpg file displayed with DPlngScan, and the same thing happened! As far as I can see, files from all other apps behave as they should when pinned. Is there an explanation for this difference in behaviour between David's apps' files and the others, I wonder? TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 2 19:07:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OfzIc-49sknw-07-GXp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:07:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OfzIc-49sknw-07-GXp; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:59:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OfzIc-49sknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:59:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OfzIZ-0001zC-8J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:59:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11FCBD269FA; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HaQqUZGjcF+f; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42824D269E7; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 171D4D269E6 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGHR4-yeVrS7 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A230ED269A4 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-21-8-187-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.8.187]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LorgB-1PCJxz2Gct-00gr5a; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:59:20 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DP's software disagreeing with !FullNames To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:59:07 +0200 Message-ID: <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:AFmgn8lNW6r4nr/dzDPnbSSzQFSxbdza45inGdtGCzk lkCuJxWp8174N9V634z/ES2Rvn53saYRopLu1qnOaIBGa7uPYH 4mGlILVNsac8Xo1h+XmoZZEpDCkuIGUaHMEnTJ6hW5oYo4dBoL LLvCiL0v9x8svtayZaRbe3u5xteEVrlhppeb8UcD0oqx5smDWA q60XsE7+Q9kiLdP5wsbNw== X-archive-position: 74 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eR_XHuzLW0QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Gv2hNDkM02UA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=LMVbStp1AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WrObovL5YbLH_V8AS0EA:9 a=wCzv5cm8evmY1oO-i6oA:7 a=cmpo1KY1NqB1mbHSG2V4qr6YdXkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=ijptoltgM_ssO2OX:21 a=yFlpW-3LvGeOMaMY:21 In message <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > Someone on a mailing list pointed me in the direction of Andrew > Booker's app !FullNames from http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/ > From its help file: > "if you keep the mouse still over a file that has been pinned to the > pinboard (or a TinyDirs icon) that has had its name truncated with > '...', the full filename will be displayed." In fact, it does this, > with RISC OS 5.** even if the name isn't truncated. This suits my > rather chaotic way of working perfectly. > Today I had a couple of OPro files pinned, and found that !FullNames > gives only the leaf name; I then tried pinning a jpg file displayed > with DPlngScan, and the same thing happened! As far as I can see, > files from all other apps behave as they should when pinned. Is there > an explanation for this difference in behaviour between David's apps' > files and the others, I wonder? Yes. There is nothing wrong with DP's apps nor with FullNames, nor do they disagree. FullNames has no idea about the full names of files for which there are pinned windows, all it does is show the full text of the pinned window's title bar to you. Both OvationPro and DPlngScan only show the leaf name of the file in the title bar, so this is what FullNames displays. Other applications often show the complete file path in the title bar, but not all do. Impression and ArtWorks, for instance, only show the leaf name, too, so this is not specific to DP's applications. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 2 19:22:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OfzSw-3v7knw-05-GNV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:22:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OfzSw-3v7knw-05-GNV; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:10:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OfzSw-3v7knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:10:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OfzSr-0005yt-Gs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:10:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF8BCD26C9A; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:10:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MgzEC6ExuGQt; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEEF4D26D02; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93DA9D26D06 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KdRak4LrflEJ for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FA66D26CDE for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-196-112.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.112]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o72I9g3G001323 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:09:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DP's software disagreeing with !FullNames To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:09:47 +0100 Message-ID: <0e4a994051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 75 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eR_XHuzLW0QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=LMVbStp1AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mTuIz-zrwpGLTEq2PTIA:9 a=o6qYUt0xpF4YI55DXBEA:7 a=YqiFwNB0alzfIOkQMtEYCnUE9nMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=4ZAEvl7T8xk6BD-H:21 a=_mxJABrE-TL1kLUy:21 On 2 Aug 2010 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> Someone on a mailing list pointed me in the direction of Andrew >> Booker's app !FullNames from http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/ >> From its help file: >> "if you keep the mouse still over a file that has been pinned to the >> pinboard (or a TinyDirs icon) that has had its name truncated with >> '...', the full filename will be displayed." In fact, it does this, >> with RISC OS 5.** even if the name isn't truncated. This suits my >> rather chaotic way of working perfectly. >> Today I had a couple of OPro files pinned, and found that !FullNames >> gives only the leaf name; I then tried pinning a jpg file displayed >> with DPlngScan, and the same thing happened! As far as I can see, >> files from all other apps behave as they should when pinned. Is there >> an explanation for this difference in behaviour between David's apps' >> files and the others, I wonder? > Yes. There is nothing wrong with DP's apps nor with FullNames, nor do > they disagree. FullNames has no idea about the full names of files for > which there are pinned windows, all it does is show the full text of > the pinned window's title bar to you. Both OvationPro and DPlngScan > only show the leaf name of the file in the title bar, so this is what > FullNames displays. > Other applications often show the complete file path in the title bar, > but not all do. Impression and ArtWorks, for instance, only show the > leaf name, too, so this is not specific to DP's applications. Many thanks for this; like so many of Martin's explanations, it's obvious when it's pointed out to the rather dim! :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 2 22:22:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Og2Lo-196000-05-DUd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:22:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Og2Lo-196000-05-DUd; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:15:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Og2Lo-196000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:15:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Og2Ll-0004bn-Kj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:15:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 676DFD24638; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8XDNGWeXe3LP; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA4A2D23C2B; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 736D0D20B1F for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Thysq9PZntVh for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92737D26A03 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Og1Dt-0003hL-aP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:02:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:01:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DP's software disagreeing with !FullNames References: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 76 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eR_XHuzLW0QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3o6qfjiY5B9mn2wTyXAA:9 a=7nFrCWIFTNuZEbSCmHMA:7 a=RzFp3J7Tr9iGfGUYPyGV0X1lU6MA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=50qQri2VBzn_P1fF:21 a=eUOQTDHa0S8zctE5:21 In message <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >Other applications often show the complete file path in the title bar, >but not all do. Impression and ArtWorks, for instance, only show the >leaf name, too, so this is not specific to DP's applications. I wonder what the RISC OS style guide tells us to do... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 2 22:52:33 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Og2nC-2MG000-05-D3F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:52:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Og2nC-2MG000-05-D3F; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:43:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Og2nC-2MG000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:43:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Og2n5-0004bA-KV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:43:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71AFD25260; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xb-eWL92R7Dd; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25128D2397F; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0620D24B55 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:30:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQp1HqrglyTH for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C617ED2397F for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-196-112.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.112]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o72LUIuZ009328 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:30:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DP's software disagreeing with !FullNames To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <0ca2ab4051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 77 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eR_XHuzLW0QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZYTcy2QWSK61Bw2vzp4A:9 a=hsByXTIUaAqmdQ7I4RUA:7 a=_gspVdVxBFdg1vuRSbLKLmT-atIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=WsfyEpRI1-Q8OcBE:21 a=ppWR1vDVqpmDWzZu:21 On 2 Aug 2010 David Pilling wrote: > In message <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes >>Other applications often show the complete file path in the title bar, >>but not all do. Impression and ArtWorks, for instance, only show the >>leaf name, too, so this is not specific to DP's applications. > I wonder what the RISC OS style guide tells us to do... Go on, do tell us, those of us who don't have the style guide :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 2 23:07:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Og35l-1smGPo-01-Ckg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:07:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Og35l-1smGPo-01-Ckg; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:02:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Og35l-1smGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:02:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Og35h-0001YF-Tj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:02:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 430B2D26F3B; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:02:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uF78ShKgx6DW; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10D4ED24DA8; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9ABBD24DEE for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKRuHAvxXuVB for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EF57D24DA8 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:02:18 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,304,1278284400"; d="scan'208";a="207829895" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2010 23:02:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DFC25A001 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:02:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:02:18 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DP's software disagreeing with !FullNames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0ca2ab4051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f48974051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0ca2ab4051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.64.1.3226 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 78 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eR_XHuzLW0QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wo-xYDQz8_yG8dCwlrwA:9 a=or8XgEi3j5Rm6kdn6xsA:7 a=VKw08uwqTO8j6jXq9nZRJFLU1DYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=0qlnT1Y-RIu4cHJ0:21 a=oSNi8KYSAk7-OjnU:21 On 2 Aug, Dr Peter Young wrote in message <0ca2ab4051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>: > On 2 Aug 2010 David Pilling wrote: > > > In message <1c50984051.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > > writes > > > > > Other applications often show the complete file path in the title bar, > > > but not all do. Impression and ArtWorks, for instance, only show the > > > leaf name, too, so this is not specific to DP's applications. > > > I wonder what the RISC OS style guide tells us to do... > > Go on, do tell us, those of us who don't have the style guide :-) Leafname only (for non-directories), apparently. So that's something I've learned today... ;-) -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 3 14:51:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OgHsb-1Dn000-02-F0s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:51:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OgHsb-1Dn000-02-F0s; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:50:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OgHsb-1Dn000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:50:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OgHsZ-000601-Qh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:50:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48358D2730C; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:50:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBTFMHMCPfoR; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2A77D24DC5; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 685BCD2596C for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lCcuvMTOx-zt for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F595D24DC5 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OgHsG-0006Op-hT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:49:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:48:35 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 28th. July 2010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 79 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cXb7KbvTDn8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LMqzJvXcDW9SrhS1MdIA:9 a=Zkqs58jV-2YKH1Q4HHgA:7 a=lQI1ZqTROSSqyIA0YcGDFq9nSrcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=k9lzpyX_I0LEOpIN:21 a=och19WNMV9oDFGyI:21 Hi, A new version (2.92 28th. July 2010) for Windows from: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe This fixes a bug in drawing dashed borders, but I suspect it will not have been seen by many people. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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I've got a document where text flows between master frames and I want to insert a page in the middle of this flow. My problem is that most pages have extra graphic frames and text frames which 'float' i.e. they are not embedded. I've just tried embedding these frames, but the option is blanked out in the Edit menu. Can I easily insert a new page or do I need to do something like modify the document to have more chapters? I recall in the dim past when using Impression I didn't use master frames - I manually created a text frame on each page and linked the frames for text-flow manually too. Is that an option here? regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. 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Why don't you just use the insert page option? >My problem is that most pages have extra graphic frames and text frames >which 'float' i.e. they are not embedded. That should make the insert page option OK, unlike Dave Symes at the start of this thread you won't end up with pages being removed as fast as you add them. >I've just tried embedding these frames, but the option is blanked out in >the Edit menu. To embed, you copy (or cut) the frames to the clipboard, position the caret in a text flow and then use the Embed option. >I recall in the dim past when using Impression I didn't use master frames >- I manually created a text frame on each page and linked the frames for >text-flow manually too. Is that an option here? Yes. One could say it is the wrong option, there are cases where this may be best or the only way to get a result, but often it will involve a lot of work. People will sometimes use frames to get printed results - i.e. I want two pages on each sheet of paper, therefore I design my document with two frames on each page. Bad idea, use the capacity to print two pages per sheet (imposition, aka print format). Otherwise the day you want to print things differently you'll be spending a lot of time editing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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I want something quite simple out of an OvPro document, but today 'tiz not forthcoming. I want the default Base Style of the document to have absolutely *no* Tabs what-so-ever, especially not it seems the non removable default every 5 characters. I then want to insert a single Tab in the center of the page width 75 mm in. I want to end up with... Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... And so on... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:31:08 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OipRF-3MqVbs-01-AtW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OipRF-3MqVbs-01-AtW; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:04:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OipRF-3MqVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:04:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OipRB-0004Ak-MQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:04:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 723A6D2801A; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100810140337.FJMG3075.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:03:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (really [81.100.213.181]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100810140337.IDGC1586.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.100]> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:03:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:00:29 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.29m (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-Vista) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3ENABmdyEd/Fm7fR7+mZIuMDn6+IErAeEhlfWBImZFk= c=1 sm=0 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=SRhEKnaCIY5lLkqMfuAA:9 a=5yOxpGkU5YQq4fmmM14A:7 a=MxaRXRMJ3ACCfnuiwPOkhl1_UCwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 83 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SRhEKnaCIY5lLkqMfuAA:9 a=kJoGLczt5cXTb0T_VCYA:7 a=M3JpJUiBd2okOtHV63LuN-MU9QUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 Dave Symes wrote: > Ever had one of those days when a visit to the local loony bin semmed like > a good idea...? > > I want something quite simple out of an OvPro document, but today 'tiz not > forthcoming. > > I want the default Base Style of the document to have absolutely *no* Tabs > what-so-ever, especially not it seems the non removable default every 5 > characters. > > I then want to insert a single Tab in the center of the page width 75 mm > in. > > I want to end up with... > > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... Writing [Tab] to 75mm more > writing... And so on... Can't you just put a 'real' centred tab at 75mm? Cheers, Ray D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:31:10 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oipv1-1Q9000-04-APk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oipv1-1Q9000-04-APk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:35:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oipv1-1Q9000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:35:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oipux-0005ij-LI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:35:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E0AED280DB; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:35:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwFALkAYUxUXeb6/2dsb2JhbACTYox2ccNbhToE Received: from outmx05.plus.net ([84.93.230.250]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2010 15:34:45 +0100 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Oipue-0007yR-KN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:34:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:34:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 84 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SRhEKnaCIY5lLkqMfuAA:9 a=7Qx94vsn1_OpAA_2KacA:7 a=-UVlV1uwyH5o6r7W9kPUfNEwUVwA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=phzLzucE4yO3jaa2:21 a=gSEi360L3k9V546c:21 In article <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I want the default Base Style of the document to have absolutely *no* Tabs > what-so-ever, especially not it seems the non removable default every 5 > characters. > I then want to insert a single Tab in the center of the page width 75 mm > in. > I want to end up with... > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... > And so on... I don't follow what the problem is. If I go to Edit Base style, select Tabs..., and insert a single left tab at 75 mm, Ok, OK, then I get a single tab at 75 mm. You will find that if you enter a second tab after the first tab has been used, then the next default tab will be used. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:31:11 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oiqan-3KR000-01-9jy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oiqan-3KR000-01-9jy; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oiqan-3KR000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oiqai-0004UQ-UV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CB9CD29225; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281453488; bh=VcDMATeek4THwPDMSSMsrSAjBh2ESlCWyiF9DeuO ozA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=GcbH+j qxkjU6cdIqXzOUmgyFn2mtA2SBKhGpnyLo+umOIa22MShJcKjVYaJj16rh0Wvxab2Kl imZPNY5syDKCEiW1poOkPQ1KinRRPpwqgKPV8+hJsaJDMeX8vn79ppCYPqw9574v9bA +5QgfFFz7NkXZcNwlLZ2Tw0VNXfCBP0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z6htT7kZXnV2; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C0A1D291F7; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281453487; bh=VcDMATeek4THwPDMSSMsrSAjBh2ESlCWyiF9DeuO ozA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=SQIFA0 XsV3JDB3B1GQUMyL3mPIElKEC3fQCqw5I2mrlOmYTzYqoVBAFC7wh/rXLtqU/KeUTbI XPbGvsvMc9untCOZPGVdKC7nJYXFUNPRUVPRx1/1p21mYXXAiz0NDkLt3RSnPsdYlhl Qy6fvg2pvBRl3Sfl8eq4UdHz+vNN+RM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A09AD29217 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ai+96NdUisul for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5DA0D291DC for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.111.1]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7AFHNBi000483 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:08:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144a75d7adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 85 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Urs7Lyw6AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_7skzdFHYz5Pw12I07cA:9 a=ohlfgcr2GnT-dlciwXYA:7 a=Qje3ZQ42B-2RkpVwalMscVbKqIkA:4 a=bzKVVdKtbjEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 In article , Ray Dawson wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > I want to end up with... > > > > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... > > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more > > writing... And so on... > Can't you just put a 'real' centred tab at 75mm? > Cheers, > Ray D To what end, all the other tabs are still there, and I don't want them. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:31:11 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oiqat-1Qw000-06-9js.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oiqat-1Qw000-06-9js; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oiqat-1Qw000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oiqas-0007Pc-4q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:18:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6EE6D29249; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:18:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.111.1]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7AFHNBk000483 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 86 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9ZjXokeFDBCgPC7157oA:9 a=srXTyRCcKyBI2KgpPYkA:7 a=iktym-Ta5h8L024BlSvmqJ4J56kA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=TJdo4AF39vd4ghlZ:21 a=TgpEDS6QUcxh4Gao:21 In article <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I want the default Base Style of the document to have absolutely *no* > > Tabs what-so-ever, especially not it seems the non removable default > > every 5 characters. > > I then want to insert a single Tab in the center of the page width 75 > > mm in. > > I want to end up with... > > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... > > Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... > > And so on... > I don't follow what the problem is. If I go to Edit Base style, > select Tabs..., and insert a single left tab at 75 mm, Ok, OK, then I > get a single tab at 75 mm. If what I wanted was that easy I wouldn't be posting would I? I can do that... I have a doc with that... > You will find that if you enter a second tab after the first tab has > been used, then the next default tab will be used. I don't want any other tabs at all after the 75 nothing, not a single one ever. All those default tabs after the 75 need to be excised, dumped, killed, never to darken my document again. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:31:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oiqkm-4KE000-01-9Zz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oiqkm-4KE000-01-9Zz; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:28:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oiqkm-4KE000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:28:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oiqkh-0002e5-Ri for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:28:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8E2DD292BD; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281454109; bh=ljtDdh+pz6ODjX/NUrogYqZVH1Wcmsm9wBrmOqgO k5Y=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=WxqHo6BWHYCaCeY9zlEBARzBOf0YTFQrHeQyouyvy7a1uA1nUZ WbH2uh4fWX8TlWMTXRdLedh7FQ/PWYSXy2yA8bbO9kW2gtZYOJ4yrqDv9rh/wRfyb8g no3Qwt5dfPh8bKs2G/dkS5EG2EC3iKESYM1zxvAgmWNFTTa1OECOjU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7KPpfK3uERuA; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00A0FD29284; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281454108; bh=ljtDdh+pz6ODjX/NUrogYqZVH1Wcmsm9wBrmOqgO k5Y=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=pekPlSYpvHxvUXnObe9bm5Q1YIJqhF1Ul5euZ/kR4xKhG5Iuxo lMYOZhT5oRRtDM0FbgOnD46rt2xlA9Sklwi2G6tUJ4M35/TMSg2ARdhxjBz9dZXUcMw DsmwHGn9cVcmL8U2HplRGQ5bcwgcqv2wyZmj5mWF32URILitSFBvP8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4262D292C9 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VANlrHJosScX for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail17.bluewin.ch (mail17.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1AACD292AD for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:28:13 -0400 (EDT) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[83.79.2.168] Epoch[1281454089] Received: from [83.79.2.168] ([83.79.2.168:5271] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail17.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 5F/63-24212-800716C4; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:28:09 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:13:59 +0200 Message-ID: <90e1a74451.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100810-0, 08/10/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 87 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qSl2I9bRkKslVOJu0VwA:9 a=hHNXI2CTLWtK8hEi11sA:7 a=_Oln9e7tX0ihAqW1_NuHoGxiq2UA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=pIhzqOtDME7-huqI:21 a=X7eZG00Prm2dLSof:21 In message <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> I want the default Base Style of the document to have absolutely *no* Tabs >> what-so-ever, especially not it seems the non removable default every 5 >> characters. >> I then want to insert a single Tab in the center of the page width 75 mm >> in. >> I want to end up with... >> Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... >> Writing [Tab] to 75mm more writing... >> And so on... > I don't follow what the problem is. If I go to Edit Base style, > select Tabs..., and insert a single left tab at 75 mm, Ok, OK, then I > get a single tab at 75 mm. > You will find that if you enter a second tab after the first tab has > been used, then the next default tab will be used. It is all explained on page 61 of the manual, last paragraph of the lefthand column. Now if you want to be sure there is no Tab anymore between your (first) tab setting at 75mm and the end of the page you set a lefthand tab at the end of the Tab-ruler. Not a righthand tab as then text can be entered at the end of the line, feeding backwards. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:31:15 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OirVc-2R4knw-06-8p9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OirVc-2R4knw-06-8p9; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OirVc-2R4knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OirVZ-0007Sj-AH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48AA6D27E4A; 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4DCBD27B43 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpbrm-ews12.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.143]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:16:38 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-EML102.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.6]) by cpbrm-ews12.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:16:38 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18222); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:16:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:16:34 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144ad9c4dPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2010 16:16:36.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[68379C80:01CB38A7] X-RecipientDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 88 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_m6DFS9XG--EV8_XTSUA:9 a=O-xwm_CNcyJLcARJdncA:7 a=EM8xgVXzqGcwPF4Z9D7onffP_JsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=B3rrZKMbw3yAj2so:21 a=6GVS6_yiKLkWQwyH:21 In article <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > All those default tabs after the 75 need to be excised, dumped, killed, > never to darken my document again. I'm inclined to think that you feel some sort of objection against remaining tabs after the 75mm one. However, (just for curiosity) what harm do they do? They certainly won't darken your document, since they are invisible anyway - particularly the default tabs, with their more or less phantom-like nature. Perhaps, it's just that you don't want the TAB-key to do anything after the 75mm stop. In that case, I'm afraid that we'll have to wait until David Pilling makes the default TAB behaviour configurable in a future version. 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:40:46 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FAHMeYUxUXebj/2dsb2JhbACTO4x6cbxzhToE Received: from outmx01.plus.net ([84.93.230.227]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2010 17:40:45 +0100 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Oirsb-0003XI-22 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:40:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:40:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 89 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yJrMEBz_KgqddamLt1oA:9 a=tJ5xKXVBDNpBmWUwKRQA:7 a=dztoTC_2mQIDgDDFmA4T3EU2zKsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=rU7cqURFzPzvdt1E:21 a=iXfZxT3GTAEnfCTn:21 In article <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I don't want any other tabs at all after the 75 nothing, not a single one > ever. > All those default tabs after the 75 need to be excised, dumped, killed, > never to darken my document again. ... but if you do not enter any tabs after you have entered the first one (at 75mm) then there is no problem. Why do you wish to type extra tabs and have them do nothing? I just don't follow. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 17:45:21 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oirub-2abknw-03-Gwg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:45:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oirub-2abknw-03-Gwg; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:42:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oirub-2abknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:42:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OiruY-00024z-KP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:42:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 636F2D27B15; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281458564; bh=wH6gwKZwlFn2T1fcPCMPrKQKamKQpY7bQePQ2Zb7 haI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Z8LONEMVkIFbhw7sYozYS5txWJlYNC3ECil6DTUJTPDgDYLP+R mvgqX7m5DisM8xx30lXKhilnIl+8n/raWEUHbmzb3w6nQjx3R2Z57RZiiQkN3ciKLkK wNChPBEpzNiDGtdXhxYJlKSARwAYbYdiZ7mD7+5caAtT0+FU3Y32cU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HP9U+-+oN+pd; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38DA9D27A1E; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281458563; bh=wH6gwKZwlFn2T1fcPCMPrKQKamKQpY7bQePQ2Zb7 haI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=aWMH7MMtHTOK1STmFEORVNgONCuzuBuyvUHktayklFBjiXQxDi PLFG8zwvCFBxF86Qw+09FUF3sZbnn/JWRdEW5JTkXv8Xlcoz3UasSsz89cBY4hVsJgh HvRbDbAqptLEhEzAA4i843Pex+Az/SsSPMWWtJY1OPrA+eDg4lDNLM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13255D27A5E for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id scRSuP03VU1U for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A0DFD27A1E for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OiruG-0005Wr-dk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:42:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:41:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144ad9c4dPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5144ad9c4dPaul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 90 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gOqxl81jrvMiuMDvRW8A:9 a=3oFTvkGzuaOjoCxP7J8A:7 a=aRMKvSW5vviZANWb0FThCZI5xG4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=olgJWhH1YGyUWShx:21 a=TwCkNRwPjq9kkC6E:21 Hi, The way tabs work is that there is a default tab every 10mm after the last tab put in by hand. So if you only want hand defined tabs put the last one off the right hand edge of the ruler. I guess this is a reasonable default behaviour, it prevents the situation of "tabs do nothing" arising. Actually typing tab characters into text with the intention of them doing nothing is probably bad practice - because one day you will export the text and the tabs will be there and have an effect. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 18:45:21 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oisjp-0XX000-04-G7S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:45:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oisjp-0XX000-04-G7S; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:35:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oisjp-0XX000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:35:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oisjl-0002Bw-MD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:35:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0C9FD249BC; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281461738; bh=C0gP6RmtefkNXWtkBU5ukCVRhwMwaV3R9pcOzNER 0hk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FJlNiH C6ae+CV7BsA0zAzy/VCpiGmKmYFBi93K4/z2iisBe3aS8+1qXkh/B3SPkPm1oJmdN5y Rl+HbpRMbNDUBEXcsVwu5Rs8gn3cgEUvkfZ98eiICD5IHOkNaUrlBlj+E+mBu+3ok/2 5bAdPaRYxG6gj6V/ikRwypOH7QalBn4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2lsIR0ejpvFo; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9180D1FB6C; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281461737; bh=C0gP6RmtefkNXWtkBU5ukCVRhwMwaV3R9pcOzNER 0hk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NA6kWV dDK1/bywP5VYP1Oj6p/GSsN88TUorv4vlWY02m+8vRMAt5ByzdsUdS+V0e3GYZGBXV8 c0OYFDoRg1ts79IkT9qOzOTVH30o1TgNUh315qGEeke/D2AIT3VrfiN7DgCRFSL2eC5 Vy01bnG5vanykT/wscvqoACYaOVs9tc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 752CCD241DA for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZKSUMoPAJvwq for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAD5CD1FB6C for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.111.1]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7AHYmUZ006201 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:34:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:35:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 91 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CeqinTUSooJcO2anXq0A:9 a=EGw7y_L89tAqnQsAqVMA:7 a=d1nr5of01to5R7ejNyrPV9BNtasA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=6eRE-10-hdhVikSZ:21 a=GGe7Qm5380ctEYzm:21 In article <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > I don't want any other tabs at all after the 75 nothing, not a single > > one ever. All those default tabs after the 75 need to be excised, > > dumped, killed, never to darken my document again. > ... but if you do not enter any tabs after you have entered the first > one (at 75mm) then there is no problem. Why do you wish to type extra > tabs and have them do nothing? I just don't follow. I press tab and get it at the 75 mark, if I want to start a new line press return. But if I want to do this... Dear one and all [Tab] Write then... when I press [tab]again it jumps like this. At the moment I have to press the tab key an additional 9 times to get it there. That's why I want rid of those other tabs. Yes I know I could do [Return] then tab, but that's not the point, I'm trying to find out why I can't get rid of the unwanted tabs and just do tab again. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 19:45:23 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OitmJ-0SNGPo-08-F4y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:45:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OitmJ-0SNGPo-08-F4y; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:42:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OitmJ-0SNGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:42:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OitmG-0000hR-TF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:42:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70651D27AF0; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:42:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsoEABo6YUzUnw4T/2dsb2JhbACTMo1rvUaFOgQ Received: from outmx06.plus.net (HELO outmx04.plus.net) ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2010 19:42:02 +0100 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Oitly-0001pF-86 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:42:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:41:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144bae6c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 92 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=73vxzidPRRX8yysCQ70A:9 a=Y2NoPwZwEjINUx3fG1oA:7 a=JeBeLLgzO8CFdY4kDWdSCL6fjlUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Dbu3cdX9x8rU1Mx-:21 a=_mskTjHrWRinSVMF:21 In article <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I press tab and get it at the 75 mark, if I want to start a new line press > return. > But if I want to do this... > Dear one and all [Tab] Write then... when I press [tab]again > it jumps like this. You never explained that before. As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, put the second tab beyond the end of line marker (you may need to make the right margin slightly less than the full page width). It then works exactly how you want - try it and see. Depending on your exact needs, it is also possible to use a hanging indent to make continuation lines line up with the single tab stop. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 22:00:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oivo0-1Abknw-02-D3H.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:00:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oivo0-1Abknw-02-D3H; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:52:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oivo0-1Abknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:52:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oivnt-0004uA-NW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:52:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EEA3D27986; 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Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AD8ED1DE50 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.111.1]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7AKpKRB013942 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:51:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:51:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144c6c98ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5144bae6c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144bae6c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 93 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9E6fjet7Gr23uqQZirkA:9 a=WBio6JlQXHZsXW2NhAQA:7 a=w__Hhz-lJtVGWpQfr3lpdrQ3dpUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=uEZYJun6EvEZFiAC:21 a=WjuJTDf57gZyOsSm:21 In article <5144bae6c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I press tab and get it at the 75 mark, if I want to start a new line press > > return. > > But if I want to do this... > > Dear one and all [Tab] Write then... when I press [tab]again > > it jumps like this. > You never explained that before. As has been mentioned earlier in the > thread, put the second tab beyond the end of line marker (you may > need to make the right margin slightly less than the full page > width). It then works exactly how you want - try it and see. [Snip] Thanks, yes that works as I want it for this particular doc. Thanks to all who have made suggestions. Cheers Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 10 23:00:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oiwrh-4PDknw-02-Bza.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:00:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oiwrh-4PDknw-02-Bza; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:00:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oiwrh-4PDknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:00:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oiwrf-0005CC-Mn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:00:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2672AD1FB3C; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:00:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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t=1281477605; bh=OdLtdlRiBricc4JbmfMGYOThKtY6bjuPe8+bG1qp gaY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wn7GsN LADhfatgeWjAuBHws7hDRiZo8G8bbmd2W5sm4q9fqH2QMLydsSHM5bsAzvYhLU/oyWq k9CToAZdNDJbrjUkZNf7J8s13BUli6JbhUwX0qL4GibgRk3T8n6m54v9OK0Hfpwp1GI bdY2QET5f0ijhqV8dQFetA3NJ+FPOl4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 175E5D1F80D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rLpPCbGo4c8L for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 715FFD1F62A for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpbrm-ews02.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.133]) by cpsmtpb-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:59:50 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.9]) by cpbrm-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:59:50 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18222); Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:59:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:59:46 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144cd085bPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2010 21:59:49.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A740C70:01CB38D7] X-RecipientDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 94 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Eoqcyt2uoND2y4CP614A:9 a=fkWLJA33vGZXPHDc1YMA:7 a=03dYOKGuYSl5F1KqdHpiFkama-AA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Ms-gXT0Aogr6Pmrz:21 a=jc4TIhVydg1WRVPM:21 In article <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Dear one and all [Tab] Write then... when I press [tab]again > it jumps like this. This is definitely a Hanging Indent Situation - as Chris Johnson already suggested. Be aware though that a hanging indent is by no means an alternative for repeated tabs - it's far superior to it! Its most striking benefit is that you don't need to change all the tabs or returns in case you add something to (or remove from) the original text, or when you decide to move the 75mm tab to a different location: the new text will always automatically flow properly into the desired margins. In order to achieve the effect, you should drag the hanging indent on top of the 75mm tab (the hanging indent is the lower one of the two little flags at the start of the tab ruler - a hanging flag, so to say), and start typing whatever you want. No more messing around with tabs or linefeeds or whatsoever. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 11 11:48:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oj4mv-4YIknw-02-Cas.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:48:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oj4mv-4YIknw-02-Cas; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:27:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oj4mv-4YIknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:27:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oj4ms-0001Pt-6Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:27:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF99D27D32; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281508060; bh=y3R4uwfTW0o7en+OSLObLzlcJkQ2ucsgjaD8YIth 4XY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BfekVg joZCWEbXIuRwOeXaVpBeU7kqCZmuOVueg2u9iwHqM3ca0LbQYEYLgjdGtED7Dq/SeR5 0ZTmbNSj2Po+Mi74uaMoxqkxiNY2xPm6OVYQML5NS6lU3ZFRHq6XegE9gHVznTJyN6g SugmLkzDQZNWXg37K08iwwJd62vznYw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G46uBlPM7o6F; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95854D24314; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281508059; bh=y3R4uwfTW0o7en+OSLObLzlcJkQ2ucsgjaD8YIth 4XY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=HkJNGL XEw+DwYDKCMSZ626l3BiYqEGiQ9iMzU4j61OpStBTMnkb1mL9QYZAeJ+ynpH4KUjsTU zJtF2/8X/812XdI6+SwJtS24yZSPIJ6MXW+wWrN/UZuch08zF82iFbsQf9h2aPEdtDF 9D0j2yBiJwXuy7I6nE4uWzoU+H4n8Vg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43F58D27D02 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRr6pS9fQbzO for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4BCED24314 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.181.9]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7B6Qu3I003980 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:26:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:24:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs Message-ID: <5144fb35a9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5144cd085bPaul@sprie.nl> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144cd085bPaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 95 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Kf7xAp9Odu0WKGJYR7QA:9 a=5SucEN8RN0rlTDOAQs4A:7 a=jV0uMrtpv-Gxc57_Gky3tNQ_h5YA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=RtWdJh-L48j2ptUT:21 a=921uR1PIMzeOC5Oi:21 In article <5144cd085bPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Dear one and all [Tab] Write then... when I press [tab]again it > > jumps like this. > This is definitely a Hanging Indent Situation - as Chris Johnson already > suggested. Be aware though that a hanging indent is by no means an > alternative for repeated tabs - it's far superior to it! > Its most striking benefit is that you don't need to change all the tabs > or returns in case you add something to (or remove from) the original > text, or when you decide to move the 75mm tab to a different location: > the new text will always automatically flow properly into the desired > margins. > In order to achieve the effect, you should drag the hanging indent on > top of the 75mm tab (the hanging indent is the lower one of the two > little flags at the start of the tab ruler - a hanging flag, so to say), > and start typing whatever you want. No more messing around with tabs or > linefeeds or whatsoever. > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Thanks, that does work better. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 11 11:48:51 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oj8K3-4RZVbs-06-93k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:48:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oj8K3-4RZVbs-06-93k; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:14:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oj8K3-4RZVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:14:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oj8K0-0001y0-ER for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:14:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7784D28A74; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:14:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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t=1281521645; bh=VnktA6UGk9cEzn9RTHzcOuE07RZjXOpqHx2qDX2b EKI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=tva+BW oOW7ZeQ2UepZzCQKiglAjZI8cFJiisqkmQV/wAzHItov/MuB1xPEiJ5XBEKbYXYjMaK QMK1WwnT/PAtORKgYQEFVG0niyRsmY29sWwGe3gvR+9fNqlu6mEMNpi8ZFTE2V2MiQs Ovr1eXKcfQLptrEIQTUHjNq96t5vdfI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:13:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C23FDD28A2F for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:13:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUljMi2Ny2Ps for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx4.orcon.net.nz (mx4.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8E47D27775 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx4.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oj8Jh-00012R-6h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:13:49 +1200 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx4.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oj8Jg-00011t-OQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:13:49 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:15:55 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Page Message-ID: <5145106d80theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <514410b059theboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:13:49 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Aug 11 22:13:49 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.5402 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 96 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HMAR1hixrt0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=jzPvenjVHHIA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hy9NdesmH0CBxlQgLyIA:9 a=kmDuWqIBGxfhmaNoXHYA:7 a=tJoyq2h_JHOBuUHB-wzWIY5YqSQA:4 a=PDmWLzcJDzCwahBz:21 a=cxrYueOdmDHBW5cL:21 On 10 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <514410b059theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes > >I've got a document where text flows between master frames and I want to > >insert a page in the middle of this flow. > Why don't you just use the insert page option? See feeble reason below... > >My problem is that most pages have extra graphic frames and text frames > >which 'float' i.e. they are not embedded. > That should make the insert page option OK, unlike Dave Symes at the > start of this thread you won't end up with pages being removed as fast > as you add them. You are quite correct (unsuprisingly) :-) In my tired stupor it looked wrong and I couldn't work out why. Inserting a new page before page X did just that and the extra frames were where they were expected. What caught me out is that the text was on the page that I had just inserted instead of on page X. This now makes perfect sense - the master frames are linked - adding a 'page break' put the text back on page X and left my new page blank as expected. Anyway - now is a good a time as any to say what a joy it is to use OvPro, Artworks2, TableMate, RISC OS fonts (incl. Sibelius's OpusIV) and PS3 - thanks to those authors. I can produce quite complex, attractive documents as .pdfs to print (often as booklets) at school using the colour laser printer. I find there is a better chance of students actually reading attractive documents - nasty looking photocopies don't really get a look in these days. Today it came up in conversation with my senior students that I use an Acorn. They remembered Acorns from their primary school days as 'kids computers'. I then pointed out all my work was published using RISC OS and added that if Macs were so great with design and publishing then why are so few teachers producing anything that looks any good? Of course most teachers are using MS Word. Let's not go there. Poor souls. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. 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They remembered Acorns from their primary school days as 'kids >computers'. I've always thought that Acorns presence in schools would not necessarily endear them to a future generation - desktop computers will eventually be seen as part of the world of work, rather than play, and so not fun. People will look to things like mobile phones for entertainment. That may only make sense to those who bought a BBC Micro and thought typing in programs was fun. (I got a typewriter for my fourth birthday...) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3ENABmdyEd/Fm7fR7+mZIuMDn6+IErAeEhlfWBImZFk= c=1 sm=0 a=HMUWiF50hmMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=y5u0wpfuhAQ9Xe95fmQA:9 a=wR3GRw1j4HvlsBzMmFsA:7 a=lBkvUdfszIKL9PfZzEM-ncUn6bcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=RjkwZhz_Mv8Dr2c7:21 a=lAzMqyKjhjP861mL:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 98 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HMAR1hixrt0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=y5u0wpfuhAQ9Xe95fmQA:9 a=ZrzNHZ-VR60qhKGSyfEA:7 a=fO5-UBp_SlK0oxhdFusnV4fRcfwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1sb1LGn1Snm3HP1d:21 a=Jq8iFcOXquxqZZuf:21 In message <7AT0ZOBYSwYMFwNM@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <5145106d80theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes >>Acorn. They remembered Acorns from their primary school days as 'kids >>computers'. > I've always thought that Acorns presence in schools would not > necessarily endear them to a future generation - desktop computers will > eventually be seen as part of the world of work, rather than play, and > so not fun. People will look to things like mobile phones for > entertainment. Perhaps that is why Acorn brought out the PC emulator, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 14 20:08:33 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OjpTX-3TOVbs-04-8Wq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:08:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OjpTX-3TOVbs-04-8Wq; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:18:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OjpTX-3TOVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:18:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OjpTJ-0003J4-Uh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:18:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92D99D29597; 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charset="us-ascii" I think mobiles (and other small devices) and game consoles, like PlayStat= ion 3, are the way forward!=20 As yet I haven't bought a single game for my iMacs, while the PS3 has plen= ty, even ol' Lemmings! Tord =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Dr Alan Leighton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Sent: Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:59 pm Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Page In message <7AT0ZOBYSwYMFwNM@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <5145106d80theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes >>Acorn. They remembered Acorns from their primary school days as 'kids >>computers'. > I've always thought that Acorns presence in schools would not > necessarily endear them to a future generation - desktop computers will > eventually be seen as part of the world of work, rather than play, and > so not fun. People will look to things like mobile phones for > entertainment. Perhaps that is why Acorn brought out the PC emulator, Alan --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilli= ng =20 =3D ----------MB_8CD08D72FB8430D_12C8_BE58_web-mmc-m06.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I think mobiles (and other small devices) and game= consoles, like PlayStation 3, are the way forward!

As yet I haven't bought a single game for my iMacs, while the PS3 has plen= ty, even ol' Lemmings!

Tord




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>>Acorn. They remembered Acorns from their primary school days as 'k=
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>>computers'.





> I've always thought that Acorns presence in schools would not


> necessarily endear them to a future generation - desktop computers wi=
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> eventually be seen as part of the world of work, rather than play, an=
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> so not fun. People will look to things like mobile phones for


> entertainment.





Perhaps that is why Acorn brought out the PC emulator,





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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A long time ago I did something to my OP (Windows) that re-mapped the '#' key so that it produced '-' (endash). I have recently changed my computer and have reloaded Windows and set up all the applets and macros that I had before but I cannot remember how I effected this remap or find any reference to such a facility. Can anyone enlighten me? Jeff Wallis ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CB3AF5.55EB17A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A long time ago = I did=20 something to my OP (Windows) that re-mapped the  '#' key so that it = produced '–' (endash).
 
I have recently = changed my=20 computer and have reloaded Windows and set up all the applets and macros = that I=20 had before but I cannot remember how I effected this remap or find any = reference=20 to such a facility.
 
Can anyone = enlighten=20 me?
 
 
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Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F562D28ADF for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 03:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100814072802.RXBB3266.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:28:02 +0100 Received: from JeffPC ([86.8.92.142]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100814072802.QJAJ1593.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@JeffPC> for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:28:02 +0100 From: "jeff.wallis" To: References: <57D7D48A8EDA4772B3DCA41FF3F58D14@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: <57D7D48A8EDA4772B3DCA41FF3F58D14@Shuttle> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Keyboard mapping Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:27:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acs6/Kjl8txmdEQfSxWYYUzimmTPwQAhTDPw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7600.16543 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DhNl2YeytwJssBBGe49HJX82LNDFEEVkpVB34RXKaPo= c=1 sm=0 a=XIhpW_KwZt8A:10 a=NFFZAs4-bf4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7ORO57v1AAAA:8 a=Kp4qgs6ro2_v_JxZsf0A:9 a=S9fZl7qU9kKKyNLBqFJn7DE6JLcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=D8AEudLtxo4A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WQLnuSqkLgQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=NFFZAs4-bf4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7ORO57v1AAAA:8 a=ultsB55s39lOQVsbYSYA:9 a=zIQnVuYLBaQkIVbNXWUA:7 a=jOfOW__UNFsXg4mYH4FQezF2xz4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=D8AEudLtxo4A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Goatly Sent: 13 August 2010 16:31 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Keyboard mapping jeff.wallis wrote: > A long time ago I did something to my OP (Windows) that re-mapped the '#' > key so that it produced '-' (endash). > > I have recently changed my computer and have reloaded Windows and set > up all the applets and macros that I had before but I cannot remember > how I effected this remap or find any reference to such a facility. You could try SharpKeys from randyrants.com as long as you're careful not to disable the Ctrl, Shift or Alt keys... -- Bruce Thanks for your suggestion - but I've now remembered how I did it. The facility is built into OP. It's called Key Macros and enables the setting up of macros activated by a single key press. Jeff Wallis To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 16 17:24:03 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ol2Ix-29oVbs-06-AQ4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:24:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ol2Ix-29oVbs-06-AQ4; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:12:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ol2Ix-29oVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:12:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ol2Im-0003j9-Lv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:12:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BD83D292EB; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281975161; bh=lzhWB59NLEmxbhsNEVhy9KRf3Ga9MJKLESk/jCwv gB0=; h=To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=dGKJQSP0OMRpkJ0VehDDKqN7Ka2Mh qvcDA5Pr9rmsLUAkyK1mlG1thKBA6P7E1wHVj2tF3TId0BhtLdCkFbx0LtlkNlZWjO0 UFbsCPz1Mq5t0Q0if8Pez/ntTvlZmv7Fw0NWXRr4B6RCQDN3yKRD52YQhE3S10SJplJ zTdMGhmo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5hDsgFNR2YP5; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BF34D291EC; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281975160; bh=lzhWB59NLEmxbhsNEVhy9KRf3Ga9MJKLESk/jCwv gB0=; h=To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Fo/O6PKCeStAikfHpF9K4fyomj6GZ CuCOcouewUsaaofT6/oXf7SQsINJ2PkjjNKTt/N56YLntFNSWiY3CfSuxbVNrDM+NIL OGYCz0N0mvjFQvAjFd/2TP+xgesMMgI1LihR0qx2k5YkHj+rB24hErqV7GjS4zjDSqu CqhCaPiM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EDF7D292EA for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZUzK75N1p-Ud for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 821ACD291EC for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:12:25 -0400 (EDT) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OPW setting tabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:12:58 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LSD5wB9oTLcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aRy4i-czsk9jf0WvAbYA:9 a=xXN7l_qWbSwxOnqX-0gA:7 a=29-4NJlx5RUEqZSV6NzUqlRSRsMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-hraKBphX6mAq2uy:21 a=Iy5G6uoH4QbDEV3G:21 The recent thread about tabs made me have a play... and I'm having a problem. I'm using OPW 2.92 (28-July-2010) on Windows XP. Using my PC at work, when I click on the Tab ruler button, usually the tab ruler doesn't appear. If it does, it is often misaligned with the document window If I select Edit Style and choose Tabs, the tab ruler usually appears, but is often misaligned. In either case, if I click on the ruler to add a tab, it disappears and doesn't add the tab. Doing all this on my PC at home works without a problem. The main difference between the two PCs that might have an effect, is my work PC has two monitors. So could there be a problem with negative screen coordinates? I've tried disabling all and it made no difference. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. 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I've tried disabling all applets and it made no difference. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. Registration No: 4004913 Contact details for all Quantel Offices and Companies can be found on our website www.quantel.com or by writing to the holding company. 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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75FB3D27C9C for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.107.217]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7GKT7s9004342 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:29:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tabs To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:29:22 +0100 Message-ID: <7dc5db4751.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5144a01a3ddave@triffid.co.uk> <5144a4388bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144a83789dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144afc46bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5144cd085bPaul@sprie.nl> <5144fb35a9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5144fb35a9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=o_m4gZKilhZ-wuUiuncA:9 a=GedgSVchfc-H3NBPIM0A:7 a=RPCLkFTQD_ae1w6A-ZDFfO3ZhzcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=vq4ykGfgY56_03Ft:21 a=4xMja_YP4s9vmeUr:21 In message <5144fb35a9dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <5144cd085bPaul@sprie.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: >> In article <5144b4cab2dave@triffid.co.uk>, >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> Dear one and all [Tab] Write then... when I press [tab]again it >>> jumps like this. >> This is definitely a Hanging Indent Situation - as Chris Johnson already >> suggested. Be aware though that a hanging indent is by no means an >> alternative for repeated tabs - it's far superior to it! >> Its most striking benefit is that you don't need to change all the tabs >> or returns in case you add something to (or remove from) the original >> text, or when you decide to move the 75mm tab to a different location: >> the new text will always automatically flow properly into the desired >> margins. >> In order to achieve the effect, you should drag the hanging indent on >> top of the 75mm tab (the hanging indent is the lower one of the two >> little flags at the start of the tab ruler - a hanging flag, so to say), >> and start typing whatever you want. No more messing around with tabs or >> linefeeds or whatsoever. >> Kind regards, >> Paul Sprangers > Thanks, that does work better. And if you do want to start a new line, with a hanging indent applied, use shift-return. Alan > Dave -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 16 22:24:13 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ol79L-0I9000-04-E6C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:24:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ol79L-0I9000-04-E6C; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:23:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ol79L-0I9000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:23:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ol79F-0000rV-10 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:23:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E6B3D298A2; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:23:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281993791; bh=ZY7Tm9qsdw9rRICifHif+xRqya5aO8PDCUlZcwim 0Zw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=B5uqMuDqlBKU+tQjzJ96QKGLlV7svPf2rqHz+wOunjah8JBf4I esY6vYCyqkhAsuldJU1MUhCH/q48fB5xgUGD2qxhVQM06/fsVRwXPkOYzQ+JwbCoZbA nf9CwX+SprE+klJ4AdOexyAtPIhi84YgiZyyDxEK+qmP9OgAN+YGXc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TLwmLHnrBVpN; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EBF4D29195; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:22:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1281993790; bh=ZY7Tm9qsdw9rRICifHif+xRqya5aO8PDCUlZcwim 0Zw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qK5QUKyXcaLQbQV75o+5f1QRzIhtArHA9+a6TiqHogTZ74idYR 9/nToDQHI+4kIDzf3gP0SoUqKygpd0uBaD68SUQjYnBnbLw5z3niFKAI76yYvMmal5t sFbPi923C0EZ1mgxxtuJb0QC0ArtDHAGQ/NTjk5kdb7DLl3a3A37A4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:22:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B44DD29740 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:22:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0pDFVcjPX23 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91BC3D29195 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ol78x-00079k-hY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:22:55 +0000 Message-ID: <07uHHFGlvaaMFwen@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:21:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yzZNmymXiPghleqgSIsA:9 a=h76GPIXOim0XfHQUVcUA:7 a=BQGyEWa8IPH6876ktxbR_5eYoTcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=y5vYysJ9rothQ3cM:21 a=vw-0FJI_4fGOT98j:21 In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >The main difference between the two PCs that might have an effect, is my >work PC has two monitors. So could there be a problem with negative >screen coordinates? Hmm. ISTR there is a problem with more than one monitor. A bit lamely I can't remember what it is. I had multiple monitors set up myself for a while. There's chat in the mail list archive, but it is about the toolbox window ending up on the wrong monitor for which there is a workaround. I think there would definitely be grief if the monitors were working at different resolutions - but perhaps it is not possible to get windows to do that. I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73CF0D2BB6B for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:27:43 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApIFANdXaUxcDiMr/2dsb2JhbACIb4pKjRFywH+FOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,378,1278284400"; d="scan'208";a="321137223" Received: from host-92-14-35-43.as43234.net (HELO owner8ba57bba1) ([92.14.35.43]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2010 23:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <95E5A70DCB48433C8E7B427CA9AF9420@owner8ba57bba1> From: "Tom at TalkTalk" To: References: <07uHHFGlvaaMFwen@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:27:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="response" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-archive-position: 107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=u-l2sMkZ4G6bcTeop_wA:9 a=7ehGEl_2tGqfPuYXiQUA:7 a=MJ1P3qOLml9Jq91wQVFdluukaqkA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=RWVJ8w-hr88YdXk3:21 a=p8cZQ3_HJbqYJhyS:21 ----- Original Message ----- "David Pilling" wrote: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs > In message > , > andy.ling@quantel.com writes >>The main difference between the two PCs that might have an effect, is my >>work PC has two monitors. So could there be a problem with negative >>screen coordinates? > > Hmm. ISTR there is a problem with more than one monitor. A bit lamely I > can't remember what it is. I had multiple monitors set up myself for a > while. > > There's chat in the mail list archive, but it is about the toolbox window > ending up on the wrong monitor for which there is a workaround. > > I think there would definitely be grief if the monitors were working at > different resolutions - but perhaps it is not possible to get windows to > do that. > > I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. > I'm using the same version of OPW with 2 monitors with different resolutions on Windows XP. The tab button behaves normally here on both monitors. Also, the old problem of the info pallette and the toolbox not moving to the required monitor seems to be cured. Hope that helps Tom H -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. 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Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 17 11:54:23 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlI66-1l8GPo-07-Bfx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:54:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlI66-1l8GPo-07-Bfx; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:04:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlI66-1l8GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:04:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlI63-00063g-29 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:04:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D79D2B88C; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282035877; bh=bQtKK6IRpcPaeLMzY6tKlw2QcOYwy5tC4zPQ6K7u OXQ=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=fpaDDm21WLQIfl yirpxOrvuXNSNK7O0o0eRkmtAD2ktbMGiNOfFqf2jZ2aq6RO2EpKbZL/lbMwVMUipGJ Y/jxHMIiRpMd7AGYuQ7SYcn+PhL1ipARKd6DnXxCXI/Io8EnEKYVoOEQld9ZiCPaoQp urCPyk6AuDtv8z8NTBF5XhI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bDUUhCAA5KAf; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 930A2D297AA; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282035876; bh=bQtKK6IRpcPaeLMzY6tKlw2QcOYwy5tC4zPQ6K7u OXQ=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=AaFu+vAlKU/WSd X+329upNQ7eSTzTjLqkFQPeHWWGvabGxtwUVDR1MpBkWTTSMjWBvBfdw2sMClJFyYoO +huNK+vVCzo44sPMi5CxNx/5skwDUMVdN4k1VX+XrYktJBnVbIopnK3f0mcVsZTXEQ7 JqRZpAmLHLVgh7o+5Yq5Z/I= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6603ED2B787 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6RhYHUuFouw for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2515D297AA for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:04:19 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <07uHHFGlvaaMFwen@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:04:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RKxqYmBS7fRCIYT8tlIA:9 a=rU6HYssonG3dD6ayX3QA:7 a=-vSLR1699E-c5wBC08gopwdUyeUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=31q271g20qILvTp7:21 a=D2vHKjJSW1DEbMLe:21 David Pilling wrote on 16/08/2010 22:21:41: > Hmm. ISTR there is a problem with more than one monitor. A bit lamely I > can't remember what it is. I had multiple monitors set up myself for a > while. > > There's chat in the mail list archive, but it is about the toolbox > window ending up on the wrong monitor for which there is a workaround. > Looks like I was the instigator of that discussion. The result was to tick the "allow off screen" box for toolbox & info windows. I have that ticked and it doesn't help with the tabs stuff. It was also back in 2007 and it's taken this long to notice the tab problem. Which just goes to show how much I use OPW at work. > I think there would definitely be grief if the monitors were working at > different resolutions - but perhaps it is not possible to get windows to > do that. > Depends what you mean by different resolutions. The two monitors are different sizes so the screen size is set differently. One is 1440x900 and the other 1680x1050. The DPI setting is 96DPI and I'm pretty sure this has to be the same for both. Both have colour quality set to highest 32bit > I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. > It doesn't. Moving all the windows onto the same monitor makes no difference. I also tried switching which is the primary monitor and that makes no difference. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. 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ISTR there is a problem with more than one monitor. A bit lamely I > > can't remember what it is. I had multiple monitors set up myself for a > > while. > > > > There's chat in the mail list archive, but it is about the toolbox window > > ending up on the wrong monitor for which there is a workaround. > > > > I think there would definitely be grief if the monitors were working at > > different resolutions - but perhaps it is not possible to get windows to > > do that. > > > > I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. > > > > I'm using the same version of OPW with 2 monitors with different resolutions > on Windows XP. > The tab button behaves normally here on both monitors. Also, the old > problem of the info pallette and the > toolbox not moving to the required monitor seems to be cured. > Hope that helps > So I wonder what you have set differently. Nothing I've tried seems to make it work. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. 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The result was to >tick the "allow off screen" box for toolbox & info windows. Paul Witheridge had a lot to say, back in 2003. >Depends what you mean by different resolutions. The two monitors are >different sizes so the screen size is set differently. One is >1440x900 and the other 1680x1050. The DPI setting is 96DPI and I'm >pretty sure this has to be the same for both. I meant the dpi setting. >> I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. >> >It doesn't. Moving all the windows onto the same monitor makes no >difference. It may be something about the document that is odd, for example are you looking at it in double page view. One could raise the question do things go wrong with just one monitor - same system monitor turned off, or same document on another system. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.241]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE3A8D28B2B for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:30:26 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAEwQakxcDitj/2dsb2JhbACIb4o4jRVyvSeFNwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,381,1278284400"; d="scan'208";a="310049505" Received: from host-92-14-43-99.as43234.net (HELO owner8ba57bba1) ([92.14.43.99]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 2010 12:30:12 +0100 Message-ID: <24CCE2F3FB32454395A05FDD046BE10B@owner8ba57bba1> From: "Tom at TalkTalk" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:30:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-archive-position: 111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=M4CBTNCfStzqy_6-C80A:9 a=76ZKVc3vbaTnT2SGbZ8A:7 a=pMqC4Os-iRwq-J8SaCs2MBQHBrkA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=wGNP0H2dySbrpoIH:21 a=_NeKAlWAo0hRFT0p:21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs > Tom wrote on 16/08/2010 23:27:38: > >> > Hmm. ISTR there is a problem with more than one monitor. A bit lamely > I >> > can't remember what it is. I had multiple monitors set up myself for a > >> > while. >> > >> > There's chat in the mail list archive, but it is about the toolbox > window >> > ending up on the wrong monitor for which there is a workaround. >> > >> > I think there would definitely be grief if the monitors were working > at >> > different resolutions - but perhaps it is not possible to get windows > to >> > do that. >> > >> > I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. >> > >> >> I'm using the same version of OPW with 2 monitors with different > resolutions >> on Windows XP. >> The tab button behaves normally here on both monitors. Also, the old >> problem of the info pallette and the >> toolbox not moving to the required monitor seems to be cured. >> Hope that helps >> > > So I wonder what you have set differently. Nothing I've tried seems > to make it work. > > Andy Ling > My set up of OPW is bog standard, with lots of Applets active. Open a new document, put it on either monitor, click the tab button and Voila! All OK. I wonder if the video card or its settings is causing a problem. Mine is an Nvidia GeForce 9600 GT. It had problems with some graphics software (but not OPW) until I installed its latest drivers. Hope that helps Tom H -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 164 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 17 13:38:54 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlLJS-31Y000-07-Gz7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:38:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlLJS-31Y000-07-Gz7; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:30:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlLJS-31Y000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:30:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlLJM-000586-BI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:30:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 629F4D296DC; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282048234; bh=d5R041U4ozpDxrkcgGqEG6h2zWKQk2bBW2GeSWhE ElI=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ud3JzI6JDHm9ln K6OVKDHfNc4Re0yvtLdg2jVDvn//Domf9M/5b6cODYE928EjubR2k4DRhJ5S4kosDdw rk8DSoNbybWYdjMgjjkww3amRJEeugrvRfUURknXbs/vJpFhnIkp3MO3/9ua/bvikdT FTEnICd8bstlHsJQYTi8WG4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIdlESrze5LA; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84671D293FE; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282048233; bh=d5R041U4ozpDxrkcgGqEG6h2zWKQk2bBW2GeSWhE ElI=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=KudG9ArG4crm38 65QRXNizUigpbnT96+SahahnfDXLqO7VfM6d4E1HIlGcxikpu349ryUZvVB2Zxuxx0s ZZcPWmbptbH8MTdNxCC+nO1aXcgxOAqTNZ6MWXt61SsUMmpfomL1kPwdXxrv/ZIKGVG McFsP1PBCC62XJsost+/tvo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59D72D29428 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3P2asBygGSKf for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88248D293FE for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:30:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:30:52 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GnHyx9mdAAAA:8 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RKxqYmBS7fRCIYT8tlIA:9 a=pJKMPiGVzAtCDWcTZY4A:7 a=wJ_AWi8OzHi-XX0TiclEfujWcGgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=m_QVljYbJTqoWUwo:21 a=pLBNkctnK-D8JWh4:21 David Pilling wrote on 17/08/2010 12:03:58: > >> I'd expect the program to work correctly in one of the two monitors. > >> > >It doesn't. Moving all the windows onto the same monitor makes no > >difference. > > It may be something about the document that is odd, for example are you > looking at it in double page view. One could raise the question do > things go wrong with just one monitor - same system monitor turned off, > or same document on another system. > Well this is just the default document I'm using. Run OPW, click on the tab button and it all goes wrong. I've tried turning off the second monitor and it still goes wrong so maybe I'm just confusing everyone with the two monitor stuff. So, starting again..... I have a problem entering tabs.... I've tried deleting what I think is the default document and it didn't make any difference. That is the Default.dps file that lives in C:\Documents and Settings\AndyL\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro I also have "Focus follows mouse" turned on. I've tried turning that off and it still goes wrong. Found it.... I have an application called TXMouse http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/nt/TXMouse/ It provides X11 like stuff for Windows. This appears to mess up OPW. If I stop the app then OPW tabs behave. TXMouse does have a way of telling it to ignore certain applications. It does this using the Windows ClassName. Unfortunately OPW doesn't seem to use anything sensible for the class name (most seem to be set to Task) So nothing I have tried seems to work. If anyone has any ideas about making the two applications work together I'd be interested to hear. I have been thinking about installing TXMouse at home as I miss some of it's functionality. I guess I'll have to hold off for now. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. 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It >does this using the Windows ClassName. Unfortunately OPW doesn't seem >to use anything sensible for the class name (most seem to be set to Task) What's the problem with a class name of "task"? I'm relieved to hear you've made progress. I don't think the class name makes much difference to me, I could compile with a completely different name. (The class name is a string that is provided when a window is created.) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 17 14:53:56 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlMbh-2LJ000-02-Fgs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:53:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlMbh-2LJ000-02-Fgs; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:53:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlMbh-2LJ000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:53:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlMbd-00053a-ER for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 13:53:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1A71D2BB55; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282053211; bh=hvaVFaFi0AeN31t3D31dJ5SU4jjftMlZC5lIm1JJ BAE=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=AbrC6JK++Pli82 azFH2ijAGwu66EzxAUcX9m+10o9swMO3PBDSqJurE8c/q2a7Skp7pJyKWDPvsQVbTjt i1razi8pe/FWBF7gmp8WlOogy2lLCuemTd20BJh7MEMzLi73fLVuG59QgF8fxIwgWEJ NJpXU50YiIF8VuUwxdfzAJs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1VgEroV3gaY9; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFCE6D2BAFA; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282053210; bh=hvaVFaFi0AeN31t3D31dJ5SU4jjftMlZC5lIm1JJ BAE=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=c+lqxeOPe5xySo frg7u7kAMqv3VqtHH8jk8bNtK/l8S45Q2O8m3je7v/aS3CsdxK/2k36aRo40laRpHEc w4W8tTCZPSsyXSiyCIcyT5pkWQIZg6DFBZCxQzIoxnWQoy2TWsbu26Z0A0Ji1FpGJVa d2VHsReEAhr+yPjX2TI0GzY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C57F3D2BB3F for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1tyDPfBaBdR for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A033D2BAFA for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:53:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:53:51 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=D9urDIxPD0EaCaC_vjEA:9 a=VzCfuwunZj2Ztfd8YscA:7 a=om-zdLU0ot8uVeMF6hchOZLqsnwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rYVMKfqSssfLuNX2:21 a=TajyeTxLp5vwF-if:21 David Pilling wrote on 17/08/2010 14:22:38: > >TXMouse does have a way of telling it to ignore certain applications. It > >does this using the Windows ClassName. Unfortunately OPW doesn't seem > >to use anything sensible for the class name (most seem to be set to Task) > > What's the problem with a class name of "task"? > Well, using that as the filter doesn't work. So I wonder if it is just a default name. TXMouse has a window that lists all the open windows with their class name. It generates something like ==hWnd==== ClassName====================== Title============== 0x0003005a Shell_TrayWnd 0x000a0a06 Task 0x0047092c Task 0x0027087a Task Document1.dpd 0x000c054e NOTES New Memo - Lotus Notes 0x00560690 Emacs makefile 0x004b03a2 #32770 ClocX 0x007f069e CabinetWClass \\severn\jamesca\downloads\AppleBooks 0x000806de Emacs quentinServer.cpp 0x00020352 ThunderRT5Main M8 Free Clipboard 0x001c0852 SWT_Window0 Java - Eclipse SDK 0x0001016c VirtualsDesktopFloating Virtuals Desktops v2.0 0x001a0108 MozillaUIWindowClass Bookmarks - Mozilla Firefox 0x00070096 Progman Program Manager Actually, experimenting some more, it does do something. With Task in the ExemptedClass list, TXMouse no longer tries to grab the clipboard from OPW while selecting text. But the tab stuff still doesn't work properly. So it's not ignoring OPW completly. I suspect the tab ruler is getting "grabbed" somehow. It doesn't seem to appear in the list of windows, but may not be completly hidden. Does it have another ClassName? > I'm relieved to hear you've made progress. > At least we know the cause. I doubt there's much that can be done though. Unless you feel like a challenge :^) Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 17 15:38:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlNAR-1Uuknw-02-F88.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:38:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlNAR-1Uuknw-02-F88; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:29:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlNAR-1Uuknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:29:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlNAL-0000DU-K9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:29:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A093D27979; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282055324; bh=pyk4lza+0Nn17PM2ZegeqUrGRQyEc9KUyIgOVF15 K1M=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tpONlMjqKV7I9eYTp5DlSqHFpvKe8TB2m1CCjdOBzX4r2e8kRZ CCefI+jq1+Y5laP2ghF91a4vLMeuxdsfKcNGhkcOeps3pvbVN/bKVHY+1gY2jGgHk5e GsWwcD5DdTahmjYwHGuMjMWgPyjBZno8I8p0NpiGZcSdSx3l2YyBy8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Wg2uwl2yFqu; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABC63D2BBFD; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282055323; bh=pyk4lza+0Nn17PM2ZegeqUrGRQyEc9KUyIgOVF15 K1M=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=oqPEW7Ss1sZwF3KvwqXHVpFB5hCfCzmJOaPX2/GYqtYqFzGMV6 JtZFvgPLSIQLFqSVMsegw8pB6bi9oosRemxcvU+xuqWhs+zx3CZntw4d9U2SNnnmmVo j8gbGU9a/4LzTrBRCmBNDzJekpeMjv7mhgE9KFEzvyy+Ku2mfXJIks= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79E93D2BC01 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwKW9UU81IdT for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57D44D2BBFD for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OlN9N-0003Py-hC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:28:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:26:46 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CHD_C9Eg3a8HuojJIK4A:9 a=7GU1qK0JUXWEKxwdqHMA:7 a=gFQ5Q0FhrN9tlkXJh-mcH1kbSBUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=tsd2xLmFHOt9TRMx:21 a=BdpPdzLQyzqWAonL:21 Hi, In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >David Pilling wrote on 17/08/2010 14:22:38: >> What's the problem with a class name of "task"? >Well, using that as the filter doesn't work. So I wonder if it is >just a default name. "Task" is a name I invented, on RISC OS there's a magic string of "TASK" when starting an application and so I used the same string on Windows. It is unlikely anyone else on Windows uses it. On Windows, there are no icons, just child windows. I have another class of window with name "abx" which emulates RISC OS icons - obviously all child windows of a window with class "Task". The tab ruler is a child window of the current document window. It will still have class name "Task". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 17 16:08:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlNiF-4cPknw-03-EaK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:08:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlNiF-4cPknw-03-EaK; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:04:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlNiF-4cPknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:04:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlNi9-00016R-8O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:04:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F904D29A56; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:04:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282057453; bh=xw/ak942qMOw53gp+KWNPYvFWE9SmVThh657ur8Q 8z4=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Lh/ce1gOXNhOxd wOJqdLzIjMWnLX2dZ0ib8IjFb2uZvMAICxtSdGP1Db2WJJpwlzWfWBwIV0kYixsq0Ev nrUv2Z90p8ncACl30q4rx/FNkuLINLA802RSlOvy6Wy9YgjaHyxyiUqlzn5Z+p9VIPq EwzeOigrh3SvV+BZAxzhXsg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JvLxX-zUxHuL; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95740D29670; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282057451; bh=xw/ak942qMOw53gp+KWNPYvFWE9SmVThh657ur8Q 8z4=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=mtw/SBGRDcWsUE G+Tz475xvYv3oNMj0X/+0FZPSBP14W5wTJhVSSubk7UW/U63zgtEcsENGSfLIKfhsI5 LzM2Dqns6/2YnGdvBxc5xoaFx2wdLDMXdbqYgLO26pK9RwQR8r3DW9/1km8/R3zlqEp +WzkfHC0kgntqzWWw1zZ0Hg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6653AD29680 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zht4S28dwjrI for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C387D29670 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:03:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:04:31 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RKxqYmBS7fRCIYT8tlIA:9 a=_E0BGgE5KFarpbjaBhUA:7 a=gvLehQu3ZhtMhP-BmouTOBX41KkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=_ocvM57WimEtUPXZ:21 a=F3M1p5Dg3-Ne9zD1:21 a=cBDOZjEZEijlyVt4:21 David Pilling wrote on 17/08/2010 15:26:46: > andy.ling@quantel.com writes > >David Pilling wrote on 17/08/2010 14:22:38: > >> What's the problem with a class name of "task"? > >Well, using that as the filter doesn't work. So I wonder if it is > >just a default name. > > "Task" is a name I invented, on RISC OS there's a magic string of "TASK" > when starting an application and so I used the same string on Windows. > It is unlikely anyone else on Windows uses it. > > On Windows, there are no icons, just child windows. I have another class > of window with name "abx" which emulates RISC OS icons - obviously all > child windows of a window with class "Task". > > The tab ruler is a child window of the current document window. It will > still have class name "Task". > OK. I've tried adding Task, Task*, abx & abx* to the list of Exempted classes and TXMouse is still doing something to the tab ruler. With Task in the list it stops grabbing "drag selected" text in OPW, so something is happening. Opening a new document and clicking on the tab button, I just get the tab window and no ruler. Selecting edit style and clicking on Tabs, I get the window & ruler. Clicking on the ruler I can add tabs, but as soon as I try and move one by dragging, the ruler disappears. The TXMouse web page suggests I can get support if I send him a postcard, but it hasn't been touched since 2005. So I don't know how active it is. I suspect the only way to fix this is for one or other of the apps to change and I doubt there is enough incentive for this to happen. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 17 21:39:09 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlSl9-4e9000-04-9XQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:39:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlSl9-4e9000-04-9XQ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:27:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlSl9-4e9000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:27:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlSl4-0002ko-LI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:27:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F97FD298AD; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282076861; bh=+xSu9rsswMLn9X3bjQVe19uNJGEXjNO3dBseQMi7 wP4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FptWHpWndJB6sB5dxD610Pbr8Df4QNOJqFBKBKxa4YdwaQ2rQs +ju5u+YAFlkw0OpRNCarvXKdOXZY5yFQkdHJ9y8qsp7dm6fANznQ7MMAeqDmR2tZoAW uNWR/NwEInegnja7SPUDZx0eWhuOD4Ova4wIdLfaJX/l+F8FdNbgOs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ssu8MsT+-qCi; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E88C2D29561; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282076860; bh=+xSu9rsswMLn9X3bjQVe19uNJGEXjNO3dBseQMi7 wP4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=MQxS2SAlXHQQurN56XJZErA1nZyEVRnsaDeeetA/j1Lz1j0bgW h0VabFsvMpwYg11N+FhXTV0181A/W6Gsc85qqb5CnN6OS/KD2BabP7h9GHheSvlVd9K 7ZQx+KAPhhHPPHQwzgHm2A8ieapcVD58jy9YfvrxDnZzfRVU/K+piI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4B89D296B3 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVXiDsjy2Gk1 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38E9CD2967F for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OlSkn-0000Ga-ZJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:27:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:26:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NgTsUDJ98CPuTpTQkn4A:9 a=9UpzmhjpGj0lhzWAgpwA:7 a=NPcq30_doPXH7DcMqxEvX0jR9dQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=SFqAMc9aIOSHsoOB:21 a=ZCCo3PHoicXOr-YH:21 Hi, In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >With Task in the list it stops grabbing "drag selected" text in OPW, so >something is happening. I've installed TXMouse, and I agree, but alas the list does not seem to stop other things going on. I've reproduced the tab ruler being messed up, I thought it was surprising that the other 'panes' in the main window still worked, they are handled much like the tab ruler. Toolbox OK, info palette OK, but try the window rulers... no marking. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 18 11:49:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlesI-1lhGPo-02-ETJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:49:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlesI-1lhGPo-02-ETJ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:23:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlesI-1lhGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:23:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlesE-0005mj-Av for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:23:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55A26D297A3; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282123431; bh=l7uuuAx8NFSIwF71eOGb1r+MITAupFeMHE+73KgS dbs=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=CiJ9PMiIQ29TGt C5sxA6RQu0MXQKHmZZARhWbPz5k+Zb9iig2GjvjZmy2bVKUAPpSiIt6Zcr4FG6iA0p5 d51e77eGtnC+R77omfcoACpwsv7NcVmv+ghuRlmigMB997NK5aTZWPzKAVJMtFaZvoZ IhKup++UClykmia1971WP6o= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DwlevAZ+TTB; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D682D27804; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282123430; bh=l7uuuAx8NFSIwF71eOGb1r+MITAupFeMHE+73KgS dbs=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=KdGzGnM8K3+4lf OrPli8/j1tvZkQpvKhc9xYamqjnYQZCEeUXmtOw7mkNo+/h1sek7ih21763pLprculN RQatY9btZIiO/irmNrG10F93AnjNg+i2AGWZB2n3OLOo5yxj2JGsIH7bT6vu45w8MKo 0Q9TBIMweJYVVXEakuEiTbM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22C72D27988 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4yULGpzxiDL for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5540CD27804 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:24:09 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dJnavhzFDdIwLf_pE78A:9 a=eAc7MqpzgX0rzb3cx7MA:7 a=NoqZwNPruKcSAl_PWF_u8FT56pYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=cBlBGpfFCwfNH4e8:21 a=pcLcsYS8hjjb9LCC:21 David Pilling wrote on 17/08/2010 21:26:09: > andy.ling@quantel.com writes > >With Task in the list it stops grabbing "drag selected" text in OPW, so > >something is happening. > > I've installed TXMouse, and I agree, but alas the list does not seem to > stop other things going on. > > I've reproduced the tab ruler being messed up, I thought it was > surprising that the other 'panes' in the main window still worked, they > are handled much like the tab ruler. Toolbox OK, info palette OK, but > try the window rulers... no marking. > Well at least it's not just me :-) Yes, the window rulers go wrong too. Not immediately. I have to scroll the window for the markers to disappear. All very odd. Reproducing the problem is halfway to fixing it ;^) I wont hold my breath. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 18 21:49:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OlpSY-4ZA000-05-CPZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:49:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OlpSY-4ZA000-05-CPZ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:42:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OlpSY-4ZA000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:42:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OlpSW-0005vB-1M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:42:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85803D29708; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:42:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282164122; bh=eMUy8I8jrzCE2GnBMlD4DIk7k+iMYEw8bU/3aXGl iXQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PnzCgy++QsztyT66uMaot++Bx0siZOHIHTxG7HpVpYS6Za1ZFR yh012/z0S6uN7qp8UXMxdW86Bribdy4LQH4uL/tf74mWa4LQBJ9/5bGA0ln3lAhjyRf 0ly9cAUgF6vyF2/ohDrv1zBaONj4mM1TMZXXPad1aQMcvd3CCJWMrU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bf7DSanN89np; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F801D2960D; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:41:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282164121; bh=eMUy8I8jrzCE2GnBMlD4DIk7k+iMYEw8bU/3aXGl iXQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=kJpMgOgJnTtMXQLg1Bofn347I+G1uFHBqHzbLvEESFwEXybp7y SApYTyFYQ3HjZQtYK29WhkQkdc21SqFqZsz0NDKTxhCA1F7srRSWGHpMNOuRONI4EEM 5JaLRke70VUKuztiMc4yQFa487V6iC0xPNr5LNWE4FdJoA0Z3NvJ/E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:41:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 579C6D296CD for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:41:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbHRzwVP0gvb for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A246DD2960D for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OlpSE-0006HS-a9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:41:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:40:25 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=awkdeX-wptDbkIDyQ_wA:9 a=QOElAQFblaehDn1wUHMA:7 a=aeGc7P--a_pYxlGDrNdL7E7YiAwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=qQfyqNIj1OmNmx95:21 a=o8FH2zfIqUfT4rMM:21 Hi, In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >Reproducing the problem is halfway to fixing it ;^) I wont The rulers problem gives some insight. My best guess is something like this. On RISC OS you can ask what is the scroll position of a window, it's not quite so simple on Windows. Windows allows you to attach a pointer to each open window, you can use that pointer to store the address of some memory of your own. That user memory is used by OPW to store information of its own about the window, scroll position, window extent - at any rate, stuff that Windows does not know about, and which RISC OS does. It seems to me that TXMouse is messing up either the data or the pointer to the data. With TXMouse active I get back strange values. I'm inclined to drag the author of TXMouse into proceedings, firstly why doesn't it ignore windows you've told it to ignore. Then maybe the above will mean something to them. My explanation above does not quite ring true, firstly if you start looking at memory you've not been allocated it is likely things will go bang, secondly quiting TXMouse seems to put things back to rights. Guess would be that TXMouse sticks its own memory on each window, and restores the previous value when quit, and that the memory is common. I suppose I had no reason to use this Windows facility, I could have mapped handles to allocated memory myself. Take anything from MS and you will pay for it later. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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My best guess is something like > this. On RISC OS you can ask what is the scroll position of a window, > it's not quite so simple on Windows. > snip... > I'm inclined to drag the author of TXMouse into proceedings, firstly why > doesn't it ignore windows you've told it to ignore. Then maybe the above > will mean something to them. > I suppose there are other things it does to windows apart from the cut and paste stuff. Things like the right click to "lower" a window. So maybe it can't completely ignore them. I've sent an exploratory email to a likely looking address in the hope someone is still listening. Otherwise, contact has to be by postcard and there's no guarantee the author is still there. > My explanation above does not quite ring true, firstly if you start > looking at memory you've not been allocated it is likely things will go > bang, secondly quiting TXMouse seems to put things back to rights. Guess > would be that TXMouse sticks its own memory on each window, and restores > the previous value when quit, and that the memory is common. > If this sort of thing is "legal" I would have thought there should be some way of getting hold of "your" pointer when it has been hi-jacked. I don't know much about Windows, but presumably TXMouse is intercepting some events. If it has to pass events on, maybe it is supposed to "restore" the pointer before it does. > I suppose I had no reason to use this Windows facility, I could have > mapped handles to allocated memory myself. Take anything from MS and you > will pay for it later. > Lots of things we'd do differently in hindsight. Thanks for spending the time on this. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 19 12:25:52 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Om31I-1EoVbs-07-Ftr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:25:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Om31I-1EoVbs-07-Ftr; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:10:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Om31I-1EoVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:10:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Om31E-00054i-Uj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:10:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84540D2BD1E; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:10:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282216245; bh=QawHz73CT/wydPZcbjjOluaNfUd8G7pZlnF+IIpj Sho=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=I1rj4tAfpaaHEzlva+qA9f2uLeFYWDRpm+V/CFauMR2TOr+XBM RPDnNXzyofX2czAKJjFsQdWbaxv6867MbxGq7GdbVZ6z/fu7FWjvQ0gaJxrcz9LrUDK BgSFkFhOZZ1hUmlngovYNzhctHJe/tXZIcDI3xSulZl4M9umsqUDS0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TUhehLsOQg35; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75942D29A2F; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:10:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282216244; bh=QawHz73CT/wydPZcbjjOluaNfUd8G7pZlnF+IIpj Sho=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Se3y/gzNnRZms7xEm7iCPxADLz8/yJjiiatocB2a178lGlNErW FIdOsgnJOQdcV7tphugyIvvH+oxfeZwoyCb7Uc4lsjoVVWKh+BYPV6RFp4/6Mu/N+aO /fV1UTerqoTp/q6KyCQuL5XNQN1d+V6Jf4ZC/P4dX2lLoitWUi+uIg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B3B0D2BC9B for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EMtVaLQmobmF for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E383D29A2F for ; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Om30M-0002p3-f9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:09:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:08:46 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW setting tabs References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JdQboEchr8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LLpjkYKWW3tueWixZi0A:9 a=DuxbFxGNbmC626ksvP0A:7 a=AiEy46XAkGA_8RR7FpMUTfXoX2wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=MqoK05vmEei9Abah:21 a=If4x1SAiuIf9y-Xu:21 In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >I don't know much about Windows, but presumably TXMouse is intercepting >some events. If it has to pass events on, maybe it is supposed to >"restore" the pointer before it does. In the Windows jargon, "sub-classing" lets you put your own code around any window. The thing that is odd about those windows, is that they have a scroll position but don't have scroll bars. In Windows, the scroll position comes with the scroll gadget, if you have no scroll bars on a window, you have no scroll position and have to set up your own. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Lets illustrate with an actual example. I have an RTF out of Publisher in this case, but could be anything, filetyped RFT If I drop this on the OvPro icon bar icon it will open the rtf in an OvPro document window...Oh goody or NOT. OvPro opens in some strange sized piece of stationery that is (for my purposes) quite useless.(Nothing I've created) (Probably the internal default) Why doesn't it open in MY default document, the one that resides in OvnResDir? In which case, how do I get the RFT into OvPro in *my* Default document? And so you don't read what I'm saying incorrectly... When I drop something on the icon bar icon of OvPro, I want it to open in *my* Default document, not anything else. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 20:03:46 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmRBY-1bP000-03-8md.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmRBY-1bP000-03-8md; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:59:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmRBY-1bP000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:59:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmRBU-00074k-BT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:59:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 671DAD1DD2A; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:58:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OmRBA-0005qR-X0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:58:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:53:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9cm1qodbDbK0Ia3nMuMA:9 a=dJ_uACHSVM74iSAwO6cA:7 a=1nlFz6EJr9gMXME1sJZ8VSyHV2QA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=bRiGve_3_xUzZyC6:21 a=_oEwtx3xr405KEkz:21 In article <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, It's enough to drive one back to booze... > Lets illustrate with an actual example. > I have an RTF out of Publisher in this case, but could be anything, > filetyped RFT > If I drop this on the OvPro icon bar icon it will open the rtf in an OvPro > document window...Oh goody or NOT. > OvPro opens in some strange sized piece of stationery that is (for my > purposes) quite useless.(Nothing I've created) (Probably the internal > default) > Why doesn't it open in MY default document, the one that resides in > OvnResDir? This not the fault of OvPro. !MakeRTF is an add-on. > In which case, how do I get the RFT into OvPro in *my* Default document? copy and paste? > And so you don't read what I'm saying incorrectly... > When I drop something on the icon bar icon of OvPro, I want it to open in > *my* Default document, not anything else. > Dave -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 20:03:47 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmSZ8-3iLknw-05-FvZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmSZ8-3iLknw-05-FvZ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:27:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmSZ8-3iLknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:27:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmSZ0-0003Us-0l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF869D288EC for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-196-112.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.112]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KEQVQm024503 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:26:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:19:09 +0100 Message-ID: <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R-AutrD6Ex1Uu2CZdiIA:9 a=2B8_YBtcHHNo-rXHSSIA:7 a=zx0fg9EGNNhnaydQNHgIHFWZkdoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=DSEG9fdL0uajAW1C:21 a=hC1jcLVKRRQWck3M:21 On 20 Aug 2010 charles wrote: > In article <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, It's enough to drive one back to booze... >> Lets illustrate with an actual example. >> I have an RTF out of Publisher in this case, but could be anything, >> filetyped RFT >> If I drop this on the OvPro icon bar icon it will open the rtf in an OvPro >> document window...Oh goody or NOT. >> OvPro opens in some strange sized piece of stationery that is (for my >> purposes) quite useless.(Nothing I've created) (Probably the internal >> default) >> Why doesn't it open in MY default document, the one that resides in >> OvnResDir? > This not the fault of OvPro. !MakeRTF is an add-on. But MakeRTF is an add-on to /Export/ RTF from OPro, which it doesn't do very well, BTW (it was never finished). Dave's problem is /importing/ RTF. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 20:03:47 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmSr9-3hG000-07-FdY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmSr9-3hG000-07-FdY; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:46:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmSr9-3hG000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:46:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmSr7-0000xD-KB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:46:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EA22D297AF; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282315558; bh=ESDDnI7ZkrMlEJEUUGKkAy9YCgpOD/Ue/ktueAdx rFA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=quUbIM BU0FR/TUOSwNOa9Jkb/uoEM4Q06rvkOrtGOZ0l1ErjviY5epCQ2x3QgplYvIp9NaQii 7mGD4uk/Voy6MiZ3qh2Ts0eAHYuxWbOJa9ZppK0EE/fOoAmx/gyUl431fTCgNfzqD+r lPuA/TUu19HhUBSOr8GtJCMq4eC6j1w= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2sqQLXIBMkWD; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27A3AD294F5; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282315557; bh=ESDDnI7ZkrMlEJEUUGKkAy9YCgpOD/Ue/ktueAdx rFA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=DqrpdC edBPfLbmcziWnJy02/QgSWI1L1sN0JzBLqKch9PmeEJJQrRN08g5I4oN0DYR4vzfnG6 i8Qs0e+5HG3/c6FRByPBXQ/bp3P/jupXhnA9539VwZhQx9A8zNCNIyoQ03X2HKGaxNv DxoRWa57UTD1bXh+6bcMb035QqO7jMs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB7EDD29711 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vh7+JV25KSAj for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3541DD294F5 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OmSqj-00009l-gE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:45:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:44:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149cb8e75charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=otXuaKXCzupmLmorbZsA:9 a=jWIpQzsrjBulxltPaBUA:7 a=A64O7BEiU7LAPwWbq4e1J-RH-fIA:4 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=OZztvvufHPkBsP5d:21 a=dluyEuQbMALlQnto:21 In article <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > But MakeRTF is an add-on to /Export/ RTF from OPro, which it doesn't > do very well, BTW (it was never finished). Dave's problem is > /importing/ RTF. Of course, what is used to import an RTF file is !TransRTF. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 20:03:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmTwR-1FZ000-03-EYG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmTwR-1FZ000-03-EYG; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:55:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmTwR-1FZ000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:55:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmTwN-00046U-Gr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:55:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64214D2B252; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282319733; bh=fTJtte3yBjqK7Orp7EMYuT8ebkgPzjatLvLDJC36 D0M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rEKoVd WS7nmLbRuQPqVMl63vJ3HWmr+ari+uEvlfbOeveh7NQJkYPMN0sk1xgnQII4KHBNVSD 63w2DKJTNBMpfsolK+ZL19TIOcrk2RQCsd3Z4EiPQVBCvvSZzbW8vdtcEB9xoy9/8tT aEB8aLht8rzDkwuohRWM/jfK7/WRz0M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cg6OX7mXqM+p; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D6F7D29A4B; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282319732; bh=fTJtte3yBjqK7Orp7EMYuT8ebkgPzjatLvLDJC36 D0M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ArdbLW js36henl6YbNUYdx0fs7n+w/ShjmzTnjV7B/Tu2X5uPkHRSmuYAwAlzD0FWlx9JmJOH 05aigZsTZdtR5AahYixPTZt/+S5YppyRqBnqiAlcsOw+VQLf0cOcbWKUsnTOmu7AuyV 64r2ESXJsQgdf/G19p/nu0a3L/LQZLs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48A06D29A76 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pe20ZmEFjRyN for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 958E4D29A4B for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.176.36]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KFscLt028083 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:54:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:52:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149d1cd54dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5149cb8e75charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5149cb8e75charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=58IfpiJECQsdCGkfPKYA:9 a=vBW1w24P2qVvMdgvkQgA:7 a=mumpJZqDRjRohvJ0EWEYTo1i4W4A:4 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=SeHZveWpylxG58_D:21 a=O1K7BhnLgJiTNP4t:21 In article <5149cb8e75charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: > > But MakeRTF is an add-on to /Export/ RTF from OPro, which it doesn't > > do very well, BTW (it was never finished). Dave's problem is > > /importing/ RTF. > Of course, what is used to import an RTF file is !TransRTF. Whoooo! Somebody is not keeping up.... ;-) I know TransRTF, it's there in my Filters directory and active. If it wasn't I wouldn't have been able to import the RTF by dropping it on the OvPro Icon bar icon. Thus I wouldn't have noticed it was importing it in to some bit 'O stationery that was neither my Default or any other doc of mine. The last three lines of my original posting read in conjunction with what was written before, says it all. 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(brian.jordan9@86.148.152.104 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2010 16:04:20 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4ksiPhKswBD.ObC6KqQydMwTxNfQPzekNynQkioUBx_0S.V1snKSDe8- X-YMail-OSG: NafRMCgVM1mrrpRIPYWt6c18ERWIma36_WxAGWuGFbq.jgJ Lz1C7F_dOUOKv.maxk1EFnU5JJ.WWoIgxWGHHZTYaY5dhNGVGGgfNifO60b6 wO1KqYGL1ryqqb.mhI0f1Ikf75lEKUzz9JyqSKWeSyATEa4a4f6mnbZ8l3wC 0eHpv9YFpGSTU15gsT00E4RdYb0S9CRVeXu7EJbsI4lHF0PMx51QFuTRC2Lm rCuBGK6v5wZSeWdkt4XX3qNySi7IIi2iBL9x.Pb1x4ulcVzzHrOeLjns- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Jordan To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:04:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149d2d784brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100820-0, 20/08/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.jordan9@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=0JnS22kIvKgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4E8y-NkL1u36FXQn5pwA:9 a=AJ3DbQXdXXpyZ7m58F4A:7 a=2U97pCTwGUIMbZaOqGpQRkl6otUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=dwluhvkrZnoV-Mrf:21 a=pU-zc4_M4SXYS2Bl:21 Just had a little play, and you are dead right however I have found a way, which works here and which you might like to try. 1. Drag your RTF file to the OPro icon bar icon, as you say this opens in an arbitrary document which is maybe defined within the !TransRTF filter? 2. Mark all of the text within this window and save selection as text to some temporary place. 3. Drag that text file to the OPro icon bar icon and it will open in your default document as saved in OvnResDir. Probably not what you want but then again... Brian On 20 Aug, Dave Symes wrote: > Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, It's enough to drive one back to booze... > Lets illustrate with an actual example. I have an RTF out of Publisher > in this case, but could be anything, filetyped RFT > If I drop this on the OvPro icon bar icon it will open the rtf in an > OvPro document window...Oh goody or NOT. > OvPro opens in some strange sized piece of stationery that is (for my > purposes) quite useless.(Nothing I've created) (Probably the internal > default) > Why doesn't it open in MY default document, the one that resides in > OvnResDir? > In which case, how do I get the RFT into OvPro in *my* Default document? > And so you don't read what I'm saying incorrectly... > When I drop something on the icon bar icon of OvPro, I want it to open > in *my* Default document, not anything else. > Dave -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. 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Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.deburen.co.uk (a.mx.deburen.co.uk [80.68.93.127]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EE37D28B56 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=buur01.vm.bytemark.co.uk) by a.mx.deburen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OmUAo-0000Iv-Ut for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:10:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:10:30 +0100 From: Toby Bryans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <20100820161030.GB2556@buur01.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5149cb8e75charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5149d1cd54dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5149d1cd54dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: toby-ovation@bryans.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NW0Lcypf9N0n6rAbB5cA:9 a=j5rWxB6gUB7ow8sSzIQA:7 a=19u44LYNOdWRnUWki6BdM7i0HpcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 04:52:53PM +0100, Dave Symes wrote: > Thus I wouldn't have noticed it was importing it in to some bit 'O > stationery that was neither my Default or any other doc of mine. ISTR (and I haven't used the RTF import for a loooooong time) that if you drop an RTF file on the icon it uses the page as described in the RTF file (which is what you'd generally want). If, however, you drop the RTF file onto a frame in an already open document it ignores the document spec in the RTF file and just drops the text and associated styling into the frame. This, of course, could be complete rubbish as it has been dragged from the depth of my memories but it may help you! -- Toby To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 20:03:52 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmXMe-2YSGPo-06-B83.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmXMe-2YSGPo-06-B83; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:34:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmXMe-2YSGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:34:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmXMc-0004JL-NY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:34:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01335D2C6E1; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282332893; bh=YODHxgwve96aUzC3Tj4IrKYaUxSyU8lpPkHXQnOP LY0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BkbJOd PwvqpLtcmAQojX7SdavU9YBmIxaKwnjyrd5yH9RIKpAfrV4ASrfUNfgU+FqmJYbpeVs ySaEBfEcCxydI87oPwIZ2vBr7ZrsFm9W4shh7RH1nwov7M83ee9AiYaVO9N8FsOOXw8 hteuq5RdAV1QMLr5JmwTK8DFT+2h/tQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qYSji8u5Nv4; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9D5AD2C6D2; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282332891; bh=YODHxgwve96aUzC3Tj4IrKYaUxSyU8lpPkHXQnOP LY0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=mT+WFj d6yastCPcSxWrZRV7jsuVU+snF0oju2LZKNgDHYaat2iaHlGumWDSZVRXzo7+fAGjCO +QRPpvIyWaKCXDrXn9NMxmiWZWLF7/QNX7P19AfB7SL1lZ9hNA0RCx5KEYO03PEeJky AcY9cdcxZ9KFXPRWsUB6FRA6pnabGS4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA332D29889 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MyEX-1nv557h for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A2F7D295C9 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.102]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KJY1TY004437 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:34:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:31:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149e5ccbfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5149d2d784brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> <5149d2d784brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-P1K0cNOBcW7NWqrFxAA:9 a=rah8Qrv67KXSLSt9E8wA:7 a=MY4V5QOUe5TwxT_RSw4a844LqrcA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 In article <5149d2d784brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan wrote: > Just had a little play, and you are dead right however I have found a > way, which works here and which you might like to try. > 1. Drag your RTF file to the OPro icon bar icon, as you say this opens in > an arbitrary document which is maybe defined within the !TransRTF filter? > 2. Mark all of the text within this window and save selection as text to > some temporary place. > 3. Drag that text file to the OPro icon bar icon and it will open in your > default document as saved in OvnResDir. > Probably not what you want but then again... > Brian [Snip] Sorry Brian, Interesting thought, but no banana. The point of the RTF transfer is to also retain Bold italic etc, your method doesn't do that. 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Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.102]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KJY1Ta004437 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:34:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:34:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149e6113edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20100820161030.GB2556@buur01.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <5149bc9bbedave@triffid.co.uk> <5149c15a03charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <6238c94951.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5149cb8e75charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5149d1cd54dave@triffid.co.uk> <20100820161030.GB2556@buur01.vm.bytemark.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=G6HIrYbYAAAA:8 a=PDExP-QpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kLusfLazjUtgwbng6uQA:9 a=uJg7owsSgsHCaS44ELwA:7 a=e0Q4-CQfNG9RF_wcUJPTm6uIxXkA:4 a=lAJlDMAGU5MA:10 In article <20100820161030.GB2556@buur01.vm.bytemark.co.uk>, Toby Bryans wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 04:52:53PM +0100, Dave Symes wrote: > > Thus I wouldn't have noticed it was importing it in to some bit 'O > > stationery that was neither my Default or any other doc of mine. > ISTR (and I haven't used the RTF import for a loooooong time) that if > you drop an RTF file on the icon it uses the page as described in the > RTF file (which is what you'd generally want). If, however, you drop the > RTF file onto a frame in an already open document it ignores the > document spec in the RTF file and just drops the text and associated > styling into the frame. > This, of course, could be complete rubbish as it has been dragged from > the depth of my memories but it may help you! Not quite so... If you drop an RTf into an open OvPro document frame, it doesn't load. You need to drop it on the icon bar icon for the Transloader to work (Well that's how it works here. Thanks for the thought though. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 20:03:53 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmY8m-0Hu000-02-ALv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:03:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmY8m-0Hu000-02-ALv; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:24:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmY8m-0Hu000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:24:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmY8j-00052j-9d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:24:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F95DD2C740; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282335875; bh=qVJL6fKh/L2noSCofT1BTwXSCpSSyXfv2OkBDHse pcw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=MpN9DuYjNGRJWaanDChnBWhU/GkNv TrBqukg5oH7Sv8yrD4XkMZP66HBNSKTNInRnclTrYYyYRynewklP+pi5xO2GqZSnn2G hQs6fnf9AG0CpO3WS4DKN/Ia4St409uCKJf5E0oB41byFitIATHZH/f5O6Z90Emuv6/ JkPEy4L8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oh3mWy2i-JE6; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9547ED2C71E; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282335874; bh=qVJL6fKh/L2noSCofT1BTwXSCpSSyXfv2OkBDHse pcw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=MorlRtBFuV/IrITuWOH0M3pKUGkK6 hRdgv4JxQLhDZ/dwUxYrCkMZNAMyu/v4yL+PGuZRJNjpZDc6fbVQg4wFG9ROurJqskT MN7iihU1DCjTw+gGq/zJ2GPr3rnuFZu6jhnn+5gxKewD5m6eQy0FWVaq+DaE/Zne3f0 P23XaFBI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67E54D2C72F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9pB4XuhVyQu for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 137A8D2C71E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.102]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7KKNjv9006375 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:23:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 21:19:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Default Stationery Message-ID: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Buo7VaucLvZ8mt65GHgA:9 a=KchXlIGCDUMOlOcZSIAA:7 a=W-m0stQG6k_qtkQ8yMwM70IpY78A:4 I've just realised, I do have another way. Drop RTF on to OvPro icon bar icon... I have !MakeRTF installed which gives me a SaveAs RTF option, if I then drag this to my particular piece of stationery all is as I want it. Well as good as RO rtf can be. :-( Dave But I'd still like to know why it's using its internal document, rather than my Default? -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 21 22:33:14 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Omvbe-05g000-01-CSb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:33:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Omvbe-05g000-01-CSb; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:28:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Omvbe-05g000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:28:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Omvbd-00014D-4B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:28:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2084BD2BA65; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:28:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282426080; bh=fvFEqQN+xA8LJYXs7OLGmNuFV6nOa3DoUdVoPr1P W10=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=woDmyemNU0WDfU6Wb1EMPkWIyGkCD95rQBEowc4F47lYYxQWGX 5XiZtYy4L9YzRrRwAYhzNrTzkFCfeTMArWiTqxJUfhAGuD7f1eDNVGQ284mG/lzcDiO S0KIGs5xbYE2vm9KWyNsuG/CPWbl+BY95f6GS4Gh7Q58XBMh4P5WAI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hi4YaAbsp8rG; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADE07D2B92A; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282426079; bh=fvFEqQN+xA8LJYXs7OLGmNuFV6nOa3DoUdVoPr1P W10=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TihjO3VFJ53BSnrhPGZHhpB9CCTtkhJRpFCitXAGPkY4izFEO7 b7uoAmEMyqlKNoV7RUb3gQ/K9UE3RbA3kchIuDCecXZmeW1LTWvfMrap15F2gFHn1sU 8sLLMgfVsu/6OUvbc6ozHoLB0PcMjuP3blw4XuTPaGJlcxPQfNxsNY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EC6FD2B997 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eW87GvSleZRt for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00BAED2B92A for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OmvbI-0004hB-n6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:26:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7CL92z9-Mc_urk03fu8A:9 a=gU5LxnwEeXSPEw0zIv4A:7 a=3YsGqtZkeTGEsltWxIAu9vcDaF0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cUYg8CI26gl_q7jM:21 a=3g2kvbJQlFGUy3nm:21 Hi, A brief comment. There are two types of RTF, one is when you save just a bit of text, the other is when a complete document is saved. So if you have the bit of text form, you can drop it in a frame and it merges in as text with effects. When you load the document version, you get a new document with the page size of the original document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 11:15:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OmwPL-2hPGPo-06-Beu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:15:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OmwPL-2hPGPo-06-Beu; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:19:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OmwPL-2hPGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:19:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OmwPH-0006tj-RX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:19:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97A1BD2BA68; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282429157; bh=vjKnIXvT0s+vTjHG9z/GI3vy5FYcdrFwrLBctiNt OzA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=II1/EFkam1Immm0AewxJvDbyGZmLsGa8lW4FRs6Wzg46jw6JP8 QLF4oGidFnbrdhYYD062pUWKApUk4NkI9txhHmSLwQFW7+cCYrycAD19688SMMRFluq x2WkeJ5F2kPPOTfi0z5JCKRIdGr+CPRubW/BY2AZWmTxZra2jJU4Lg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wDeQFhv7Z2va; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADE06D2BA50; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282429156; bh=vjKnIXvT0s+vTjHG9z/GI3vy5FYcdrFwrLBctiNt OzA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iFxgeb1ESAsaPKw6vktRJlB8yyiW0yeX316Ru4ns7pQuvcxY9z G7nOIbpOpD0uP248lHU+sGH987eKezMt2eIwejTvEWFXA6cidBrK9AWpYf6Lo5GeXWH lPlczcPWh6vLmAzTIhJzP/d8T9taHm3eSae4sdNW4cWyPKnn+74ANc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E3E7D2BA51 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0HJ8KfPZQZK for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1027DD2BA50 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.181.193]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7LMIPXE001757 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:18:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 23:02:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Default Stationery Message-ID: <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Lpb-7qXb6T6Y_S8Zt8kA:9 a=3iS9YJDtZJ-XORUDW8EA:7 a=Pw4upukWthn8hxVVgej9fByMWw0A:4 a=Poch2SXAgAJN8PlQ:21 a=WN_jpJi8wqXzH8Yg:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > A brief comment. There are two types of RTF, one is when you save just a > bit of text, the other is when a complete document is saved. So if you > have the bit of text form, you can drop it in a frame and it merges in > as text with effects. > When you load the document version, you get a new document with the page > size of the original document. Sorry to have to contradict you Mr P. If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small paper size, it always open in some strange bit of stationery 190 x 277 RTF doc at source = 122 x 184 dropped on OvPro opens 190 x 277 RTF doc at source = 157 x 168 dropped on OvPro opens 190 x 277 This strange sized doc that appears is 'nuffunk' to do with me, I've neither created or imported it. ? Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 11:16:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1On6hL-2CTVbs-05-9tQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:16:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1On6hL-2CTVbs-05-9tQ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:18:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1On6hL-2CTVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:18:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1On6hI-0001tG-8D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:18:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B68A7D2BADE; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282468712; bh=b/VQ7yJUIqSQawRnvBx+UoBIx/AHjzyDgIxt25l1 tRc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UewfQ32WHXS/l1CuMDQoYOuKqVlR6EPMvjewRbvYKF6qGQ76Rz IF0pRSkEhe58zomkG/VnqwH8E0kT5ZtSF3WghlHMu3nMFxOzJAZpJp6DNR8/Wf/c5w8 +h4j5cYt5vNufn7VxtbI5SWcK89UtS3PoaUVrQ+EKfzYfZ5YQw8jFQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQbGTJx+SFvv; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 119D8D2BA4D; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282468711; bh=b/VQ7yJUIqSQawRnvBx+UoBIx/AHjzyDgIxt25l1 tRc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fDSqUMJkja6f0Qm3yJX7AsjBwQ3jVaNh848CbLN53/o9Hr8x5B 5Uh6zHTMyOlyUXJXqAiEjmIR5EH7EILWd9gv7Rauf89Bg+s6TWC6eEr6Go4KFhuFwEQ dLxQHo1O9TpS5bE+1gubXxv/Pf+P78p2S9g8EN9FAuCWUug75dAJyM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D63ADD2BA91 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cpJLQkM7kbei for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07BF7D2BA4D for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.176.36]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7M9He64030071 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:17:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:18:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Vxd-ophjMtYpqSkkKDkA:9 a=nbWUIaWShdK9RawXMxAA:7 a=HYyAoY05lGFShmrH2_BiLWbBSY8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=rCJ3nP9Zn6E_JLyt:21 a=eyRw9LN-jr56ZdTF:21 In message <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> A brief comment. There are two types of RTF, one is when you save just a >> bit of text, the other is when a complete document is saved. So if you >> have the bit of text form, you can drop it in a frame and it merges in >> as text with effects. >> When you load the document version, you get a new document with the page >> size of the original document. > Sorry to have to contradict you Mr P. > If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small paper size, it > always open in some strange bit of stationery 190 x 277 > RTF doc at source = 122 x 184 dropped on OvPro opens 190 x 277 > RTF doc at source = 157 x 168 dropped on OvPro opens 190 x 277 > This strange sized doc that appears is 'nuffunk' to do with me, I've > neither created or imported it. Are you creating the RTF from Word? If so, I suspect Word is using the printer's paper size, just as it does when printing. Is 277*190 US Letter by any chance? (the default for most windows printers.) > ? > Dave -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 12:31:01 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1On8ZS-1yTknw-04-GXp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:31:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1On8ZS-1yTknw-04-GXp; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:18:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1On8ZS-1yTknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:18:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1On8ZN-0006Eq-Pj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:18:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03883D2B965; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282475912; bh=MxRBCD5C7zKIZGcNXrN5lMFS47vMAvdvBYjutHi3 NkE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qpGvkGOJ7Kvq/ZxRWFGrTj1DJK+a05QQqDdbMNJIkxveqn5Tqk qpZ6KCuOkEYAqtnpgPebC4523+HXb9e0G3j70G+ybxpJFlr78za/+30NZXIEyVfTL9x BSg1IQE6OIk7IcNGQ/0eUEzv09+H5bkN1sgyEh4WkpJj3O0Phtj+38= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFYafVwDvD0b; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11A32D29512; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282475910; bh=MxRBCD5C7zKIZGcNXrN5lMFS47vMAvdvBYjutHi3 NkE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FjHnPr5uhihlisVNhFILWVxerUcZ/VLJ8y810VSyZreGKGRkU+ 2U4pAq2qM6k+sMIcwmNUUDgmh41BXbEXO13rYqTyxKrsw1lrdjxf4tKooyqVyrI95DI +RjLrz0BnvKKWLS0oGeTly/R7FXJ4STJQ91ku7UnBEr8BSLk40Rcqk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA704D29669 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fJk8U36B0q0J for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 315E1D29512 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1On8Yu-0005fv-mM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:18:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:16:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uqag9qoHVsFZIdqootgA:9 a=z-qQ51CDhex0JKy3AEUA:7 a=o4XMesUgBZ4aamKesqbWzcRh1ZYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=reH4Ys9GFbv0o83f:21 a=32o2aARvM7sTvEOG:21 Hi, In message <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Sorry to have to contradict you Mr P. > >If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small paper size, it >always open in some strange bit of stationery 190 x 277 Hmm. As I said, that was a brief reply, it was late... The point about there being two types of RTF is correct. If your RTF gets translated into something with a "start new document" command in, then you'll get a new document, if not you can load the RTF into a frame. However there are two RTF loaders, my RTF loader which is the only one for Windows and the only 32 bit compatible one for RISC OS. On RISC OS it is called TransRTF 2.XX (see: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip), and then there is the original RTF loader for Ovation Pro (see: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf.zip). My RTF translator assumes all RTF is a document and generates a document with a fixed size (actually A4), the size is hardwired into the RTF translator. I believe the original RTF loader at least recognises the two types of RTF. It may also get the page size right. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:55:11 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkQFAMa6cEzUnw4R/2dsb2JhbACTHo0VcbgwhTcE Received: from outmx02.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 22 Aug 2010 13:55:11 +0100 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1OnA4s-0006TR-Hm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:55:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:54:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default Stationery Message-ID: <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHRJ5WZ-md0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Y5NvkUisLRdFVlQB2rsA:9 a=xCW7EIqrJV1J3Ohn6TsA:7 a=_nGYdj9cQ-w3pe3lTYOkkLgR9r8A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=KA5aNGpef_gWp_DE:21 a=bILqxYkav3VEFpPY:21 In article <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small paper > size, it always open in some strange bit of stationery 190 x 277 This is essentially A4 with 10mm margins. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 16:16:07 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnCGa-40Yknw-02-Cqh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:15:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F33DBD2BA0E for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QS+uR5uag1DT for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23338D29787 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.115.25]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7MFEMOs011375 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:14:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:14:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DmPrcJEoqkoxEJfJjqkA:9 a=OhGqLpUxBY2YbRgBdCIA:7 a=GLaaJHVasS6YDFlVUqes0zKSJO8A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=kR1TOu7NCud2Lmar:21 a=JuDyKdwc8B1gPoUv:21 In article <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small paper > > size, it always open in some strange bit of stationery 190 x 277 > This is essentially A4 with 10mm margins. Unfortunately not any A4 size of use on any of our printers... Anyway, I've given up on that idea and moved on to other problematic matters. Righto, slightly different question for you chaps to ponder, not default stationery but stationery none the less. Example of problem: In Publisher, if you have a document in A4 stationery and for reasons... you want it to be redone in US Letter, you just do Menu-Edit-Alter Chapter and click on the USLetter you have defined in your "Default" document. The document is then redefined/drawn in the US Letter format. (Yes I'm aware a bit of re-editing is required). How is this achieved in OvPro? She has an OvPro document (with graphics) in A4 form, but now needs to have it in (Say) USALetter (Or any other size form for that matter). How do you get from one size to another without having to reconstruct the whole document? Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 16:46:08 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnCWD-425knw-03-Cb4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:46:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnCWD-425knw-03-Cb4; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:31:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnCWD-425knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:31:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnCW7-0006oz-Bd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:31:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A003D291AE; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282491085; bh=OsuWr+aU74/lBUv+ZXMruIteUiZUFpyMJh8Sptsh 8W8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=wQj00XpS4f6xIW+/3hdJXhKAQmzcAH9Hoy84OvmaoEX/SkioOy sx4RESjWi0pZ0hf1zd3PcnJTpPaUJ1MantgFVgFVVQPD4toRteDrNVBo+2LIjQDUWC7 rMjxojG2N3lkZ15N1cGfi8xWxr6+E8FD+47hiofpXRXnBeK3vk7clQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IXQ5u5NLyL2f; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BED0FD27D09; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282491084; bh=OsuWr+aU74/lBUv+ZXMruIteUiZUFpyMJh8Sptsh 8W8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l1L0XaaBMdFaffOYHgWeVr5EWyOCEY23lgiS7BOCgqucOFd4ot afHzBmdnBKXaXlNlxK2/qSWQaghEId5VoOZQxRLIOuVNSFUDhAl4q5Qv+MPD21B5uc7 EnDnodNivn7pWX4TSbh3opoWIGXvqQ190BsDogGqwbAxtdjTLzFrL8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98E7CD27D0F for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1u-80YYx8tWd for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19307D27D09 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OnCVp-0004ow-Yv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 15:31:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:29:59 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ubQH8RrqRpS9-dYbdU4A:9 a=OjJwA3OTxGCYSpOPF4gA:7 a=yHLN5qKp9GtuAWQWse3pPd7x6H4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=RiHsBBdRs7Y3zUdD:21 a=Wmevq8pkk6TZsaKL:21 In message <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >In Publisher, if you have a document in A4 stationery and for reasons... >you want it to be redone in US Letter, you just do Menu-Edit-Alter Chapter >and click on the USLetter you have defined in your "Default" document. It's the same in OP unless Impression is incredibly clever. Page->Edit Master Pages then from the master page window Page->Page Guidelines -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514adc3b70chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yLcJqhigppQKmbUzUfsA:9 a=nV1GTj14alOx_CQsFhAA:7 a=PWr4yhkwWZ0K5YPSOdEXpx01ec0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=uvToCJe9jRlvVgiI:21 a=Rod5bVhJpv32qgzd:21 In article <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small > > > paper size, it always open in some strange bit of stationery > > > 190 x 277 > > This is essentially A4 with 10mm margins. > Unfortunately not any A4 size of use on any of our printers... I have just measured A4 to check - 210 x 297. Take off 10 mm margins all round - gives 190 x 277. The size is essentially a default frame on an A4 page. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 17:46:10 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnDbp-27VVbs-03-BVS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:46:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnDbp-27VVbs-03-BVS; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:41:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnDbp-27VVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:41:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnDbj-0000N1-9B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:41:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67D2BD2B95D; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282495273; bh=zz/Ip84enjYKToxY1rD6qpdjjBdKgV4CvoaLifk8 xmw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=PrKfaL +vWb51RH8ovD+KPqRar5odFxOoqqfXUwCcS1xTlpvMtIqcLCQicRX3D3YHxFC80bovR f5+4aw8qC89a6Ma03uuuTvnNd42oXBkm8Wi/b0LiLfhvTvVniG/mD6mpkObZ7V8/9/r X2fmnYMCbG/Hd8Up1ZONrLyMckk59m8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Y7cs7hpuizy; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 894ECD27F9D; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:40:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282495272; bh=zz/Ip84enjYKToxY1rD6qpdjjBdKgV4CvoaLifk8 xmw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=kHiX/L U8lBuZ9Io5XhU+My4BIJmqgOGnZDyuXJUBsUO4dEm+cikvJcHyLH7h9QTGxoV+50GvR eJWvVuGbZz+tfKcrfIaesZsf9qXe2xXN3nutzEVJviHYJP5pMj7ls++HI32qZ46RGqX 26pBHL9r7iywfpLdrhCwCD73UNlrKLo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E7AFD294EF for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCw9ZK8PzVqz for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E15F0D27F9D for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.115.25]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7MGeMhn014691 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:40:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:39:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5aPfLdZ-zRt3VzYCZ2QA:9 a=d0m7PcgaHFBfLRTHb4MA:7 a=8z0ivCoaIDH0cDiRDp1ZCWwBGv4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=IPKy2ob6VFE1kppX:21 a=qyazouO8Zzn8tuC3:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >In Publisher, if you have a document in A4 stationery and for > >reasons... you want it to be redone in US Letter, you just do > >Menu-Edit-Alter Chapter and click on the USLetter you have defined in > >your "Default" document. > It's the same in OP unless Impression is incredibly clever. > Page->Edit Master Pages > then from the master page window > Page->Page Guidelines Okay, thanks for that. :-) But... It doesn't answer the implied other bit. "Other" gives the user the opportunity to define *one* additional size. What if you need more additional sizes? There doesn't seem to be a "Save" Other1 or Other2 etc? Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 17:46:10 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnDd3-1LoVbs-08-BUE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:46:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnDd3-1LoVbs-08-BUE; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:42:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnDd3-1LoVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:42:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnDd2-00001Z-7r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:42:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88961D2BA01; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282495347; bh=CE54yXGqofYn1xgge77Dm1ItHW3G6/X0jMdRZSrr TrA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=MGSPa1F+e4UcaAPkquigTNrhmjELtSMC8bHRVLAqvYl4imJj5L nPLLcQ9G4WMAlrSlpg81SFhRAkU/h5xAxYbaxSIIWGKGoXTRNcD6P963wT15mTAdRQV kMZbLpEYBkDL3clFru5naRtKeBHi3JTg7dSgKK5UVKMcLtBCqszGo0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EPrfyGYD89af; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44BADD29293; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282495346; bh=CE54yXGqofYn1xgge77Dm1ItHW3G6/X0jMdRZSrr TrA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=BX4CNfjvksJXXMYYf7SCJ7y/H7xwC14cmjtbWlpwXNhj2mxVLn F+P1OJrHPEoOY0xjRIVdC+WfNi9NY0tLW6hwJPK75bGTJAKTT1+JVw5HfdF+5gZKkQV jRA8GLrzHtiTGNta7zabZqBlr7q9towCg0wL83TGBP/LtAugTfhBGE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C54CD2B96B for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-73loYVa-8Q for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3812D29293 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4C639B930328400B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:42:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery To: From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <56ecdd4a51.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/6.20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=s1WHTjWfCfJKgjN8NC4A:9 a=fPTogP0hOklnFOxF_UwA:7 a=SDvsX9rgl7IpWIxm9CQ_IKDJeiQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=6JzN4QEIL056wVUV:21 a=Djxqq6ndySgvGy1Y:21 In message <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk>, >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> If I drop an RTF document of any size beit large or small paper >>> size, it always open in some strange bit of stationery 190 x 277 >> This is essentially A4 with 10mm margins. > Unfortunately not any A4 size of use on any of our printers... A4 is a standard size in this case with a 10 mm margin which you can quickly change in the same way as below edit master pages. > Anyway, I've given up on that idea and moved on to other problematic > matters. > Righto, slightly different question for you chaps to ponder, not default > stationery but stationery none the less. > Example of problem: > In Publisher, if you have a document in A4 stationery and for reasons... > you want it to be redone in US Letter, you just do Menu-Edit-Alter Chapter > and click on the USLetter you have defined in your "Default" document. > The document is then redefined/drawn in the US Letter format. > (Yes I'm aware a bit of re-editing is required). > How is this achieved in OvPro? She has an OvPro document (with graphics) > in A4 form, but now needs to have it in (Say) USALetter (Or any other size > form for that matter). > How do you get from one size to another without having to reconstruct the > whole document? Edit Master Pages...... Its on the document menu. > Thanks > Dave -- Chris Hughes To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 18:46:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnEcC-3csVbs-08-AV5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:46:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnEcC-3csVbs-08-AV5; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:45:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnEcC-3csVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:45:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnEc7-0002Vs-4T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:45:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C160D2BAB6; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282499144; bh=IVVfNGYg5Qkl823leNxCylza0ZCHqolVHw369SQG rMo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=O0COkXrpW3XlKqvAq9KGENuaBKg73BCBQHNGiReV9Gz9C/mtfr 1T8/3G/T87TZhdsZBeEe+dWy6EGdSnQ7ibwB6ZQrh9PK4tHybSqeJvsErDKhkVPRxoK lHg8IA0LWX6UxzfK7X1iii9KLmvHDWi9J0Y1Jwqp+5TLAT1reuoKIY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X+dRXr+87rbJ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D73F8D2B9C7; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282499142; bh=IVVfNGYg5Qkl823leNxCylza0ZCHqolVHw369SQG rMo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FbeG6iO8NDQPmx5w56c75ykafIesEQP+ZfRSuWAZqSQGtDmgNR gjh+Ooap2g/nanYzT+BjQyi0cJDrHxqb/aduW7P+R9FkOwDp+21ZqckO1G0yj7FzesO Xqpx/aNCD5QsKdT9eMwYFaSLbyhFB/9LHaL/z+le07+5V4I4E0DDis= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A96C3D2BA82 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ozCRxV5A1v0 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A1CFD2BA10 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OnEbn-000258-lP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:45:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:44:16 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_6d4l6eAHZa5ePz9E18A:9 a=aWV1x7QR2Kfd1rI84YwA:7 a=6xHN4UGOllyqB0kCs6ABb0Qfy4IA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZmR19BQqgy0A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ANrWeMOfU9lg3Fxw:21 a=ObKUAvhm2N1VHusf:21 Hi, In message <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >"Other" gives the user the opportunity to define *one* additional size. >What if you need more additional sizes? Have a look at: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/opro.php " PageSize Version: 1.01 (15-Feb-04) An Ovation Pro applet that allows new page sizes to be added to Ovation Pro's list of built-in sizes that are available from the New document and Page guidelines dialogue windows. " That is for RISC OS... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 21:31:17 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnH2R-1qBVbs-07-GbM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:31:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnH2R-1qBVbs-07-GbM; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:21:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnH2R-1qBVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:21:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnH2N-0002dq-FC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:21:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73DB4D2B87C; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:21:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282508461; bh=ZjmGxsk32LuU5OZF+drYGpTmOWv91uv/gpiHX3IN /5I=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=nRj5CS 8KmhtAH2GECdMMC4gO1jqj3K8xyqHyqilbuKNTog+CDRzxqEwxsB9VmjXuJQ8HXMg3/ PUJvy0jjXwZDitdM1qD9d+SEBsnn7Ew/KOpvXAwXHT+Po2vpnfGEUOhhZC4m5TjRyhg vWlv441fgSy+CkNU4sg51BiIOnKetbI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ESRdPl34C0Zf; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E40EED29A04; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282508460; bh=ZjmGxsk32LuU5OZF+drYGpTmOWv91uv/gpiHX3IN /5I=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BZyLUo EODxmHbQHhm5JexwmQJRZ6tSjUhXFm2h/KBcqwLehR7tuCyOCGmFiuUDK3pBKPMo/8Z GgGKA4WkLsMR2KfGr0QSDJeiEmV8xjnDyQ82dRt+hVq/RI2xX74tFxSDK00sZT1k22n ywmwNfYUzoHjFludkkz/KS9U0dpiOqU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3808D2B7D7 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vJJYSdNZeyjf for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27627D29A79 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.127.101]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7MKK8LQ023178 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:20:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:20:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ohj1ax8mt386fOZSrlkA:9 a=o4G3q2oSnOXFcbq4uvgA:7 a=0lSo11W1lWRhzHtdKmRyJgl4OCUA:4 a=ZmR19BQqgy0A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=X2gkk73Y9-WztX0D:21 a=BAZrcvCJRo_148Lu:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >"Other" gives the user the opportunity to define *one* additional size. > >What if you need more additional sizes? > Have a look at: > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/opro.php > " > PageSize Version: 1.01 (15-Feb-04) > An Ovation Pro applet that allows new page sizes to be added to Ovation > Pro's list of built-in sizes that are available from the New document > and Page guidelines dialogue windows. > " > That is for RISC OS... Thanks for the info David. I shall be glad when this weekend is finally over, Fay has been resizing quite a number of her (Largish 100+ to 200 pages) documents from standard A4 to that weird size the Yankees still use, then creating PDFs to send over there. Unfortunately it has not been possible to do the PDF work on RO because of the size of the documents and the time it takes on RO for the PDF process, so we've been using Win OvPro and PDFCreator on a reasonably spec'd computer to print out of Win OvPro. (In seconds rather than forever on RO). So both RISC OS Ovation Pro and Windows Ovation Pro have been very, very busy this weekend. Thanks for OvPro and the advice. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 21:46:18 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnHLM-3Ic000-02-GIR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:46:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnHLM-3Ic000-02-GIR; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:40:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnHLM-3Ic000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:40:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnHLJ-0001k4-D6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:40:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D45FD2964A; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282509635; bh=SW7lrYDT7z9ipLE3KVNLfOtjTvV84mIGWlsiWepn RHI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Pc9UK+1+AwmA8GXC0iNNHuNnytREdKd1TODiSkSQKLuaYai7JU uuwRoe79CknkPIC/Bb0B9TgmUSF6nPc2MK8JcQRdAzwipfQGJCpcx3rZ7ew0Bo2H9Sf xgtofxhQ+sL/D6qx2LXFMMW0OVoM9oD/MezHGBGqpsGoe+rQZifMFI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ZANZWxSan1V; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E36E5D27B69; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282509633; bh=SW7lrYDT7z9ipLE3KVNLfOtjTvV84mIGWlsiWepn RHI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=V4bVE1ALUuL0vaALJdEYLJuorBVtxB9BIYbtCVu9cbbdF0RhUM 0q5k8gWUByb+ee1QYWRqoDuDxUB/2rVuM5D/aOLIBdnrypKf/g5y8VaUDVMkJaJQNsX VTb0FVMIcyE0JIFDg8hQkuR+L5mxdYjJ4FmyEXE/4alF3m4w7IrBkw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEC3CD281C2 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGiSJJpgOhbC for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26170D27B69 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OnHKz-0004rt-WR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:40:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:38:50 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zv4yRZY3Vt3y7LLaRWAA:9 a=RtHfLV_DwlykccS_geUA:7 a=Oa2aMjoydX2CtlUALTHMFP3whzcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=RVBZMLkBRAghPlVK:21 a=e14os1K5qSPd7xo5:21 Hi, In message <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >quite a number of her (Largish 100+ to 200 pages) documents from standard >A4 to that weird size the Yankees still use, then creating PDFs to send If you were going from A4 to A5, you'd solve the problem by changing the print scale of the document. The problem with US paper sizes (I assume) is that they have a slightly different aspect ratio (width to height) compared to the A paper sizes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=T9hevBQNl-wztC4brnsA:9 a=1zb0Eq_qoM-7Pvcj4qkA:7 a=pRDY6oEU5uYnUaRnY6DieIQV-F4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=IP5745NYv7d6EDld:21 a=-hNzy9qFf9g46ehH:21 a=MgRSfwgJjs-ycAxb:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >quite a number of her (Largish 100+ to 200 pages) documents from > >standard A4 to that weird size the Yankees still use, then creating > >PDFs to send > If you were going from A4 to A5, you'd solve the problem by changing the > print scale of the document. The problem with US paper sizes (I assume) > is that they have a slightly different aspect ratio (width to height) > compared to the A paper sizes. Mnn! This weekend has been an interesting (Not sure that's the right word) experience, with my role as trouble shooter and problem fixer for her. I seem to have spent a large amount of time fixing graphics/picture problem in the documents. She has some very nice illustrations she's put together over the years, many of them are composits of two or three sprites put together in Draw, and it works very well, with the resulting composit being put into the OvPro document. Printed out of OvPro the documents, including graphics, print perfectly okay, but put them though a PDF process and any sprite transparencies used in the graphic construct are just black areas. It's *not* a problem for me to sort such things out, I've done quite a bit of it over the years, but it did remind me of a conversation we had some while back about your apps and Sprite and PNG transparency... Dave PS: I'm not making any great point of it, just remembering in passing. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 22 23:31:22 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnIzz-0NKknw-08-Edo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:31:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnIzz-0NKknw-08-Edo; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:26:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnIzz-0NKknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:26:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnIzt-0002dk-Oy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:26:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00B85D2B904; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282515992; bh=ZcG0tfCpYhLIuFEf+ZFqaz/4TZb+ctA1rQZENTUQ 0I0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RAsBrIJYSI9M45gKjXFq+mq14atUNsHD1myAV9cRoYvdrRGLZt V68AefLGY+U6d7GO3e0iHCp7Wbowmoua4J0PnT3tRVYfNLuHOki32APFyOwnv1XcM1/ LMe8CijA/U1crwy5qblA7oPqksMrNL3Oea/OB7cCnfqZkR7xVP7Eh4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7eoHGJhxb5mo; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D93AD27BA7; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282515990; bh=ZcG0tfCpYhLIuFEf+ZFqaz/4TZb+ctA1rQZENTUQ 0I0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FZhD3nWY/l8v2o46ryxmYhsuoIY3AtYrkC5ND+ibjdcGPdKVR1 cGqss1yaEW/f/n8St9uyekQKecCnW/ZD2zTYehIkkCzxDsNWSoH9+xCeV13NTkqNoNr vd7YKI6JoYDvpbJ0mmb+kTgmHoAjM2Dou1X0dN6nQlbIG4BMb76eiM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2071D2B8C5 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Szm9v0JHHbBr for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28C35D27BA7 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OnIzY-0004pg-fy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:26:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:24:59 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xEDEzrzHJUz1JPtvN5cA:9 a=aIzLoAW6NbDjeUmVUTUA:7 a=iVIfiGMYK4ddB5-LPTbamFkSe6gA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=jkzjZTSzCtcGgfXa:21 a=GZ97faSdMw4Mtp7c:21 In message <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Printed out of OvPro the documents, including graphics, print perfectly >okay, but put them though a PDF process and any sprite transparencies used >in the graphic construct are just black areas. >It's *not* a problem for me to sort such things out Does that mean I have to provide the solution... well use level 3 direct PostScript in OPW. It all depends what the printer driver supports. I did agree with you about the PNG stuff, I know I didn't get around to sorting it out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Sd2pH6JxRctv3fDQUGkA:9 a=yBOAigplRzSe9t4FjHoA:7 a=1VaVEDQsEksfzr15qWfg6KYBMKYA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=f09cyMCTsrQQ1Kax:21 a=rUN253xaRNcKTMF4:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Printed out of OvPro the documents, including graphics, print perfectly > >okay, but put them though a PDF process and any sprite transparencies > >used in the graphic construct are just black areas. It's *not* a > >problem for me to sort such things out > Does that mean I have to provide the solution... well use level 3 direct > PostScript in OPW. It all depends what the printer driver supports. > I did agree with you about the PNG stuff, I know I didn't get around to > sorting it out. Mmnn! I guess you misunderstood my meaning of. "It's *not* a problem for me to sort such things out" I didn't mean, it's not my problem, so *you* (DP) sort it out. I meant, It's not a problem for me to correct the difficulty she's having, because I extract the problem graphics from the document, rework them to remove any transparency and then reinsert them back in the document. ;-) With regard to level 3 PS, not a subject I know much about... Aside from knowing if you have the latest versions of some expensive Adobe software installed, they will be PS3. So I have no idea what Printing out of OvPro Windows through PDFCreator is/does... I set it up and she just clicks the OvPro Print button, and with a bit of luck ends up with a usable PDF. 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Was Default Stationery To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:14:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=k9_Ri_iOF20A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=053Gu7rh9eK_e4sroC0A:9 a=23k8c5gPqdU6SsHdnFgA:7 a=XUmin_XXCfhdqnMmOCZRLCYydYQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZmR19BQqgy0A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=ixqYlTvSyE7thRTc:21 a=1T0reMFzOaC0Cvqe:21 On 22 Aug 2010 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >>"Other" gives the user the OProportunity to define *one* additional size. >>What if you need more additional sizes? > Have a look at: > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/opro.php > " > PageSize Version: 1.01 (15-Feb-04) I downloaded and installed this applet, as it looked as if it would be useful. Yesterday, after quitting and re-running OPro, all was well. This morning, when I started the computer (OPro is run at start-up) I got an error message: "Error from Ovation Pro: Not enough memory.". I took PageSize out, and OPro ran as it should. I quit OPro, put PageSize back in, rebooted the computer, and all was well. Any explanation of this, I wonder? Or is it just one of those odd things? TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h2vcAEREwFHBeg--dzwA:9 a=FkF1I6FHMvwJEd8I83kA:7 a=V_wuPolcBoMuxhbmhwGeOfus9FcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=J_SPSWYnK6wDjwjV:21 a=aHwMZsbgMtWua8_T:21 Hi, In message <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >With regard to level 3 PS, not a subject I know much about... Aside from >knowing if you have the latest versions of some expensive Adobe software >installed, they will be PS3. The thing about PostScript level 3 is that it supports transparency. If I had your problem, I would set up Ovation Pro for Windows to do direct PostScript (level 3), print to a PostScript printer driver, and then use GhostScript/gsview to convert it to PDF. This I expect would get me transparent images with no messing about. There are free packaged up versions of this process - cutepdf?, because the above is a bit tedious to keep doing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=503bh0KXI9wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OtCDHs5aXQm8zX9vedoA:9 a=gosaQWayXq4fur-hu1MA:7 a=KDPY58pGh0JFVUqKX6-wt4I5mMgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=SbgsiDeYaVVoQbwg:21 a=Jbe7TyeHU1JIPkye:21 Hi, In message , Dr Peter Young writes >This morning, when I started the computer (OPro is run at start-up) I >got an error message: "Error from Ovation Pro: Not enough memory.". I >took PageSize out, and OPro ran as it should. I quit OPro, put >PageSize back in, rebooted the computer, and all was well. No idea. You've provided a good clue, presumably when the machine starts up it has different settings for the memory slots given to tasks compared to when an application is run. I'd expect the problem to be reproducible. Really need to go and have a look at the Page Size applet and see what it is doing... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZPbiT-bxuyEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6eI1YMw_0VY50W39FXgA:9 a=OhZ3ZNQc1L9Vn0cgah4A:7 a=gNX5LS57-YGjVYGR6NEO7_je-04A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=Nz8tfPEnozIFKg-A:21 a=zAoheDA7eS0EjZea:21 On 23 Aug 2010 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Dr Peter Young > writes >>This morning, when I started the computer (OPro is run at start-up) I >>got an error message: "Error from Ovation Pro: Not enough memory.". I >>took PageSize out, and OPro ran as it should. I quit OPro, put >>PageSize back in, rebooted the computer, and all was well. > No idea. > You've provided a good clue, presumably when the machine starts up it > has different settings for the memory slots given to tasks compared to > when an application is run. > I'd expect the problem to be reproducible. Really need to go and have a > look at the Page Size applet and see what it is doing... Thanks. It may well be a one-off. I'll see what happens at the next few start-ups, and report back. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Gbjneak577KPx1yKwX8A:9 a=IYQy8oDHhUJ63V6G-TcA:7 a=Ljmgs2mrr50UWlScnIoONxm9KiAA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=4WUAIejhh0ILjPJc:21 a=87FYF8SD7IQx9opL:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >With regard to level 3 PS, not a subject I know much about... Aside from > >knowing if you have the latest versions of some expensive Adobe software > >installed, they will be PS3. > The thing about PostScript level 3 is that it supports transparency. If > I had your problem, I would set up Ovation Pro for Windows to do direct > PostScript (level 3), print to a PostScript printer driver, and then use > GhostScript/gsview to convert it to PDF. This I expect would get me > transparent images with no messing about. > There are free packaged up versions of this process - cutepdf?, because > the above is a bit tedious to keep doing. Well... Thanks for that bit 'O info Mr P. On the advice of one of Fay's USA friends I did download the latest version of CutePDF early Sunday AM and install it, unfortunately it didn't make any difference, after creating the PDF the transparency was still black. :-( Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 23 21:26:02 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OndNq-1mNGPo-06-BIz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:26:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OndNq-1mNGPo-06-BIz; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:12:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OndNq-1mNGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:12:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OndNl-0005Lr-DG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:12:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1416CD2C97F; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282594356; bh=jE2iCmdGvO9+Wch1AkuEqOwNlDHRRow+6GAUhiUq Ca0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=d/h5YJ 3SVlPAW7LcsyVeSE0weCHIMPVqsjSaNR5RNWPBaMmhACB4uq/GBVMERFA/VtdY8joZC 4b77XSexVPskiCpToZSK3YnAY1zD7ttUM5z/O16ouH5EPIQSBXINQ0WLBM9E99Lb+hJ EbwE9Vm0vFhtR8znE9viBoWncOKeaMw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMwg69bY6A8h; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C013D2BC5F; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282594355; bh=jE2iCmdGvO9+Wch1AkuEqOwNlDHRRow+6GAUhiUq Ca0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WdoXJT xGC570vkkjHz41YXzym1UvXvdYjxUDAMYk+H+CJ6TMxk+kxKaf4bWYQ5SUxOARmIE29 J22HGaOQWKnHgO9YXpeAsmcbsGhmDuxQcW75Lt6PqtO2U6+uEU474ZpDMkaDOKYr4Mh hRTUQfncwi5m8gH+SW4b7xqsDmJfBQI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E448D2C97F for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5hacQKS9uFq for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E789D2BC5F for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.167.144]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7NKBgPZ014994 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:11:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:12:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PrEwVQmfdL1pV1RJa2QA:9 a=tJHxIXvpiAoqr4Ww2OAA:7 a=Z4vC3kE_SCsfTQUrXeba_fegX3AA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 23 Aug, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > On the advice of one of Fay's USA friends I did download the latest > version of CutePDF early Sunday AM and install it, unfortunately it > didn't make any difference, after creating the PDF the transparency was > still black. :-( > Dave Just to double check I wasn't going to the 'Senile dimensions', I had a work through with CutePDF (Latest version). My original note was correct, its output is no different to that of PDFCreator... Transparency is blacked out. It's not a massive amount of work extracting the illos and reconstructing them Sans transparency. Slightly interesting aside, using another PC app or two to create graphics with transparency, the PDF output shows transparency as a whiteout, rather than a blackout. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 23 21:56:03 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1One1s-340knw-07-Aex.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:56:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1One1s-340knw-07-Aex; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:54:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1One1s-340knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:54:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1One1o-00038A-ES for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:54:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5B4AD295E3; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282596838; bh=ejFed+YKdzRNswX7sKtnBqIpLKBtdfVktgH0NsmC 0x0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=pXVmlMpqE4GQFPledY+HtJqRfAK+KA/okJu2Z7Na/satT7t54W r+RbAZF1ltfC1fjdsp5OGThCstIZ3XaNcqo76fbazncFCjcqa67oFaM/Fhod3/7UMmR MFFPi0k3lSXNMatpSm6+VFo6LsZFm9GZUFzogEYsnH8SUFNijPLqbU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hEMoHWrh0JqA; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7427D2947D; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282596837; bh=ejFed+YKdzRNswX7sKtnBqIpLKBtdfVktgH0NsmC 0x0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=dPrxTA6FOMm+S7Rwb7+fIXxSRJW+JeUPhe+9BVHRJmS5zjugJF +S6ohcVbhm9CG05EAQE0mHBo+oDHpI2+Z5s70R8lmAfOoTSXJqOKWsMzYKXdWc2Ic3d TrK0ay38sStNoMhXhr+mqGOvAcSj0FL3o1kgK+86Bz8DxcUgcymAfw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA074D294B0 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mjz42+lIhrwD for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23CC4D2947D for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1One1X-00069I-me for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:53:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:52:16 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=715AAhen1-Dkp5ceU90A:9 a=qRyhKilX8DwcSxjHHdIA:7 a=XQIVwuJWjkpcoY1ZJUc9DlGx2uAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Dpg_3y6vuuD4KJiT:21 a=7XoAGlXJDl1Fvt7H:21 Hi, In message <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >My original note was correct, its output is no different to that of >PDFCreator... Transparency is blacked out. I'll be getting a reputation for misleading you. The route I use does work. Since I don't use CutePDF I can't be sure about that, in principle it should be able to achieve the same results I do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 23 22:11:03 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OneDs-27VGPo-03-ASx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:11:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OneDs-27VGPo-03-ASx; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:06:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OneDs-27VGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:06:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OneDp-0002qd-QC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:06:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B78A1D2C988; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282597583; bh=GV0iNwq+YYSpEFHOej3oWfi+4BrWYjLkotdPIF60 LTE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Ar2484 cuzUF2FBnIpyHPASQZVoUBMAyELB040v53fODm6rYMz/AT1qh9rzvKI2qprgpTsJm9u /fNofhdi9/382ZVbdJdtOx9hIClC0IJyET378V8cPizQkE8Fd7WX3iWQzegavCByBJ2 Ha768t8QsKbD7xiLgV42oo9sqfCkJuI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2F-IawYEQ4vz; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18F45D2977C; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282597582; bh=GV0iNwq+YYSpEFHOej3oWfi+4BrWYjLkotdPIF60 LTE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BNyQtK uwtdBubikFB1uiBha23+wHXnud5GMFi6oGyVxxSh2CaWT1czsIgZTwoldiqGhBqXQFa BG+xTPY7YUWraFhSDt93nJL8fgsDf8Sxt7h7nZ/XcSlLzOPcpf5LYUl4H/lejm0ojcT d9/PvpG5w6oJoKrCDUQcozPJlJqq7Tc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2DE2D2B285 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uq42bHn8rJ+m for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 353C1D2977C for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.167.144]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7NL5HPl017126 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:05:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:05:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dOAr66z1k_2CRsyN8D0A:9 a=PFT6vEALJu8PtnbFbJYA:7 a=4krvXPmCjTl-94H1pYSUqg_AJoQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=1EU-zme9W8mf55i0:21 a=7ZhfQ4q-i4WeFnre:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >My original note was correct, its output is no different to that of > >PDFCreator... Transparency is blacked out. > I'll be getting a reputation for misleading you. The route I use does > work. > Since I don't use CutePDF I can't be sure about that, in principle it > should be able to achieve the same results I do. Well I guess the problem is, you are an expert in this field, my expertise lies a long way away from such things, and most of the time, and where this stuff is concerned, I'm winging it. ;-) That said there are no configuration controls or even status window that I can find with CutePDF, so if it doesn't do it here as installed, I can't see how it could be change to do anything different. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 11:49:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OngTf-1zhknw-06-Gjg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:49:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OngTf-1zhknw-06-Gjg; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:30:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OngTf-1zhknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:30:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OngT7-0002ce-9d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:30:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6588CD2CAB8; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282603561; bh=5cf+itiUCixayJ3Nbx991cO3QPj7h2yh99YjVIvx inQ=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=HrUOBQak2s8p3LZBicmYwigX0Qon+hBxiXQTO/Vz roncoDx1Xq8/r8KHeUe7bhYetaAohpERszLxzZBlBSjBTbOqO3FsOr+XtxPPc0tmiaZ kjZ/rjuAMB5djC7NjdvE8x0HirujH/5ioBaHhuoJbPEH54Dc+7hExD5J5tKc3O0s= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6QOR4HvHRThe; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2D1DD292BA; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:45:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282603560; bh=5cf+itiUCixayJ3Nbx991cO3QPj7h2yh99YjVIvx inQ=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=fMPHTS8x1SNL2Ja0IJGRVh78loHZolewlgT2dr+j FeCMRsf7m3wSnhrxlWLEjhBqM8K66ApxdEVW6lif+HHKv3iXMPxpQQfvYMUMlcqrYo1 Usn/pE627n63V1riq5WUALW0UuPcx+DO4pRhAOZF2yuGN64Lee1u3Rco98DyCFeA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:45:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82A3AD292D0 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:45:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EU0XJhW4Cq2j for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D31ED292BA for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wwb31 with SMTP id 31so232666wwb.28 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.5 with SMTP id b5mr5104887wbv.189.1282603521462; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([89.242.16.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b23sm5613426wbb.4.2010.08.23.15.45.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:45:15 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ERG9dX1LKAklUGRDAX0A:9 a=Pq2W8Vjm0hRjz9kH8OsA:7 a=lSe0EZ2U4Y5WbjdMHYAAOrkB1X8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=SQuwL0Md0oQjfj3p:21 a=FrTrjGEtWivb79nS:21 On 23 Aug 2010, at 22:05, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >=20 >> In message <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes=20 >> writes >>> My original note was correct, its output is no different to that of >>> PDFCreator... Transparency is blacked out. >=20 >> I'll be getting a reputation for misleading you. The route I use does=20= >> work. >=20 >> Since I don't use CutePDF I can't be sure about that, in principle it=20= >> should be able to achieve the same results I do. >=20 > That said there are no configuration controls or even status window = that I > can find with CutePDF, so if it doesn't do it here as installed, I = can't > see how it could be change to do anything different. I can confirm that Cute PDF works with Direct PS selected, starting with = an OPW document containing a GIF with transparency (turn off Direct PS = and you get a blacked out image in the resulting PDF). If you like, I = can send you the GIF file so that you can try it at your end. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 11:49:08 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Onh2e-0CNknw-08-GAh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:49:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Onh2e-0CNknw-08-GAh; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:07:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Onh2e-0CNknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:07:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Onh21-0001pV-7F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:07:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A620D2691B; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282607613; bh=iLJIoCNgnU8edt0bdhQxYT7qYWJQyo1sIQEWVGgC VJ4=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=CwG0u2ng9cZOGgWX8MaJgk22TesofpqRvsixjPaU JsAnV+KQ4vaJsd5xrCGJjKHOesOyJ20/tjPZIuyoN4fjjZvq5uTuEjiFnNDY93Ft8RL zcgRBbn+yaxkPVVB7GQ7dKnb+XHrw9H/zoth8lkPxEv0gEhKOKZ0XnnJpv4lCYFM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rpzd55ZSFMGI; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4D74D1DC66; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:53:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282607612; bh=iLJIoCNgnU8edt0bdhQxYT7qYWJQyo1sIQEWVGgC VJ4=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=dhBsmpQFEbVTf/0mevj81RUDNU5W8410oThJIRcG q662dfkzn6aGW+OkHY6S9exHWU/ET9YbykOGE/pfdePsiSQdaxZKhQ2L5zSqtuwSIer yPi6pxsTgYm4cej4/1Oez3WoMYPetL54yK1Qq+7nmJ22Kd+BK5TnmwcNot9xUoqA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A19D2D1EF74 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3l81hvy0vPM9 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net [79.135.125.112]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9C9FD1DC66 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=[10.0.0.2] country=GB ident=gav#pop3^crawford-print^co#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-6.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4c730948.1b56.0; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:50:32 +0100 (envelope-sender ) References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A400) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <573C91F2-9F9A-4C47-967C-7EEAA76EB8AC@crawford-print.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A400) From: Gav Crawford Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Not enough memory. Was: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:50:30 +0100 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-archive-position: 157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BHIEopa_ai4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zQHjuDAYTfuWEfJZBJQA:9 a=2FZp0U2hOb6moqYd4UYA:7 a=Cxeoier_7wo7TWJinrzv3CuwE-8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZmR19BQqgy0A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=KVQeMdikamSIXiEq:21 a=1I1EKfLH3BTbzEp4:21 On 23 Aug 2010, at 08:14 AM, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 22 Aug 2010 David Pilling wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >=20 >> In message <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>> "Other" gives the user the OProportunity to define *one* additional size= . >>> What if you need more additional sizes? >=20 >> Have a look at: >=20 >> http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/opro.php >=20 >> " >> PageSize Version: 1.01 (15-Feb-04) >=20 > I downloaded and installed this applet, as it looked as if it would be=20 > useful. Yesterday, after quitting and re-running OPro, all was well. >=20 > This morning, when I started the computer (OPro is run at start-up) I=20 > got an error message: "Error from Ovation Pro: Not enough memory.". I=20 > took PageSize out, and OPro ran as it should. I quit OPro, put=20 > PageSize back in, rebooted the computer, and all was well. >=20 > Any explanation of this, I wonder? Or is it just one of those odd=20 > things? The PageSize applet doesn't do anything different or 'special' compared to h= ow any other applet should behave so I'm not sure why it would produce an er= ror just the one time, but do post again if it occurs again. I've not had an= y reports of that type before - but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened to o= thers. I do use the applet myself and haven't seen that error when running O= Pro.= To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 11:49:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Onn1C-1jHGPo-08-AC9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:49:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Onn1C-1jHGPo-08-AC9; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:29:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Onn1C-1jHGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:29:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Onn18-0002Bk-6k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:29:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A159CD2C74A; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282631392; bh=8DeiS+j+AYR/4tWuwg+Mm1rdQ8ElSXmkbpz00fw7 5pk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WXQAbx 9gu6/SZAYgDCMStbOoF0XufYog2zJcQtDA7ljQdNo11hFDQbHbbJU4IgNttEGpHtot6 bErbw+FldEXjvIQsYWsGjFDOuq5agHN1t+93pNRNpbR41NO7SzCFj8A+Qy4xN25MLRp 5WScQQuXp5m7yRJbwuilfY4o+DAXlY8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iJOplmAgGZEp; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E323D29662; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282631391; bh=8DeiS+j+AYR/4tWuwg+Mm1rdQ8ElSXmkbpz00fw7 5pk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=agknzW qSPPSnhTrrmL4wrzzrn4HfLsA28E40LnyOgkbK1yI3UiPkG5yazM8mAEPA236XLvNwx PcvDmIGo9+mbiznOyo0jCUQdGH/C2ooOolIqi41iRxyASF73DSm+toI9AR22KO5yJFr hahSXmwbKtVCp5JqLQALJGXRu7AtWoY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4E2AD2BF2B for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C6-zjTUdtJjS for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47783D29662 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.178.159]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7O6Sx5J006589 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:29:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:28:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tYLVEddYHh1zpfXoaqoA:9 a=Uwl0MuJElAtfFbAf4P4A:7 a=0uDNc2uUwhmqffMWwQ_rIzneghIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=z-dqxeanUNjH4ziv:21 a=21CEmbi_2SQaEa6r:21 In article , Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 23 Aug 2010, at 22:05, Dave Symes wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, > > > >> In message <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > >> writes > >>> My original note was correct, its output is no different to that of > >>> PDFCreator... Transparency is blacked out. > > > >> I'll be getting a reputation for misleading you. The route I use does > >> work. > > > >> Since I don't use CutePDF I can't be sure about that, in principle it > >> should be able to achieve the same results I do. > > > > That said there are no configuration controls or even status window > > that I can find with CutePDF, so if it doesn't do it here as > > installed, I can't see how it could be change to do anything different. > I can confirm that Cute PDF works with Direct PS selected, starting with > an OPW document containing a GIF with transparency (turn off Direct PS > and you get a blacked out image in the resulting PDF). If you like, I > can send you the GIF file so that you can try it at your end. > C.B. I think a step back is needed. Where exactly is this "Direct PS" selected. Apart from the OvPro Print dialog-CutePDF- Properties-Advanced-Postscript options (Which are all on BTW Only mirrored output is NO) I see no other mention of Direct PS. ? Dave The settings are the same for PDFCreator, and the language level setting is 3 -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 11:49:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Onn9X-1okknw-04-A3o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:49:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Onn9X-1okknw-04-A3o; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:38:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Onn9X-1okknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:38:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Onn9Q-0001s4-OR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:38:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAE9DD2C80E; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282631906; bh=g6Wg7bDWpeJ8OPMUnthXsFPIPM0AFi7YaiytU3/J B7M=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=N/8hRkMIBtirzZgusoF8XcCfN9Xav4gXiuVwQ86B dG7tfkVC8FwN7dnNLafFP3363hle2L2ZMVIck+LNQ3SZiZO06pTGNe/vDZV5FanaAwQ H2RVCYVqmoQ+PEExjIReDwg991wGt7QKjyUlDwOX3rbmN/X9ksHj1CSfIAV0UNj8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llKcDE3hh71C; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78114D2BC73; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282631905; bh=g6Wg7bDWpeJ8OPMUnthXsFPIPM0AFi7YaiytU3/J B7M=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=ouApAgVM/NDE5P3TM5tSOHot47+MWHU08RfRLsyW Metk5mv7S7INMQDFIl5TPkJ47spB9iY3scI7V10+D6iAYyOrjGRarf+mvJAe3j/2Oxk /Ec/LciWp3AJy7lR3dKMqgMUSW/iUA7yunDBsHQwgEUW+w8wE0px688acuqAogv8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A429D2BC7B for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0sbe9gSFekVz for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73E5ED2BC73 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so925378wwi.10 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.9.7 with SMTP id j7mr5397345wbj.183.1282631888405; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] ([78.148.173.161]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a1sm6271588wbb.14.2010.08.23.23.38.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:38:04 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RiXt0rhW2OjFRLQsnXAA:9 a=If18gT7yFDWxXMtRb1sA:7 a=W80JVHsqs89ReBB2NQt2ysPPB-wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=u6xjO5RUUAD7Uo2S:21 a=kxU9xFqJ6S7xd--z:21 On 24 Aug 2010, at 07:28, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >> On 23 Aug 2010, at 22:05, Dave Symes wrote: >=20 >>> In article , >>> David Pilling wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>=20 >>>> In message <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes=20 >>>> writes >>>>> My original note was correct, its output is no different to that = of >>>>> PDFCreator... Transparency is blacked out. >>>=20 >>>> I'll be getting a reputation for misleading you. The route I use = does=20 >>>> work. >>>=20 >>>> Since I don't use CutePDF I can't be sure about that, in principle = it=20 >>>> should be able to achieve the same results I do. >>>=20 >>> That said there are no configuration controls or even status window >>> that I can find with CutePDF, so if it doesn't do it here as >>> installed, I can't see how it could be change to do anything = different. >=20 >> I can confirm that Cute PDF works with Direct PS selected, starting = with >> an OPW document containing a GIF with transparency (turn off Direct = PS >> and you get a blacked out image in the resulting PDF). If you like, I >> can send you the GIF file so that you can try it at your end. C.B. >=20 > I think a step back is needed. >=20 > Where exactly is this "Direct PS" selected. Misc > Choices > Print choices You'll see a tick box for Having ticked it, if you click on the button to the right, you'll be = offered other options ... but these are not critical to the transparency = issue =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 11:49:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Onnii-0tw000-08-9Ud.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:49:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Onnii-0tw000-08-9Ud; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:14:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Onnii-0tw000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:14:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Onnif-0005T4-5M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 07:14:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0901D2CAF7; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282634091; bh=gOi9up0oHlQsXxVDDUYBsbpAz9DSiHB1YteZWyI/ 9cM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=L/scscZHcdpfoVPxJYxFQgPBfIhhjJ4nfFgkIEH/RWUtMzAEUY CwQgMROi96pB9LDKjgrOXT6Qw4337qCxZot6Q5FaWp//Wvc7SQndrJAI/pQbTIEtUAK HsgTba3LELx4OPvM13OtGRQEtFARsuhEwJpqSo3TTxrljbsnv5oHeU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-kK5LxxNowg; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F314D29662; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282634089; bh=gOi9up0oHlQsXxVDDUYBsbpAz9DSiHB1YteZWyI/ 9cM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UlQnYmwYbmoSgluQvgZjGTAPFOTYwF9/KU0K268olyzvwmShjg ZubC65LYOyPHxUsImyhXvrnTUrNabt/0RM2fGIjbBuheKLNJQ/Ps4e5D73RLvilrbcx T9IMDraDOnYLWFbvkljED16dlcs/oqU8njk6qoOyKx9vi5umTxhek8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD446D2CAEC for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AonJQU95te6D for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42228D29662 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-196-112.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.112]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7O7DvPk008335 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:13:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Not enough memory. Was: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:14:29 +0100 Message-ID: <89afb14b51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <573C91F2-9F9A-4C47-967C-7EEAA76EB8AC@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <573C91F2-9F9A-4C47-967C-7EEAA76EB8AC@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BHIEopa_ai4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KMvCTZB8Bs0OSixJH2oA:9 a=hsK6YRjQyEGL1G4Dmt4A:7 a=j8MsZoAcZYi4i7skb_f68ifbUyIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=n7ASm83g_pN1B8sg:21 a=M25UMvU3ODuoKY69:21 On 24 Aug 2010 Gav Crawford wrote: > On 23 Aug 2010, at 08:14 AM, Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] >> I downloaded and installed this applet, as it looked as if it would be >> useful. Yesterday, after quitting and re-running OPro, all was well. >> >> This morning, when I started the computer (OPro is run at start-up) I >> got an error message: "Error from Ovation Pro: Not enough memory.". I >> took PageSize out, and OPro ran as it should. I quit OPro, put >> PageSize back in, rebooted the computer, and all was well. >> >> Any explanation of this, I wonder? Or is it just one of those odd >> things? > The PageSize applet doesn't do anything different or 'special' > compared to how any other applet should behave so I'm not sure why it > would produce an error just the one time, but do post again if it > occurs again. I've not had any reports of that type before - but that > doesn't mean it hasn't happened to others. I do use the applet myself > and haven't seen that error when running OPro. Yes, I haven't seen it again, so I think it must have been a one-off; if so, apologies for the red herring! A lot happens at the first start-up of the day, with both MPro and Organizer deleting old stuff, so perhaps one or other of these was tripping over another one. I'll report if I get further trouble. And thanks for the applet. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=21wg2P2OpQtpzAKX2G8A:9 a=30iWELviBj1EpHeBOyMA:7 a=qr2DS8mxBDuJ3_NguAsgZV5cksEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=ogecpzWMjPJwF3ns:21 a=TFM2cBIOSmd8iCFy:21 Hi, In message <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Having ticked it, if you click on the button to the right, you'll be >offered other options ... but these are not critical to the >transparency issue But no, they are, level 3 needs to be selected. (The option printer level might also work). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514bc8211btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx6.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:17:22 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Aug 24 23:17:22 2010 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6461 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=jzPvenjVHHIA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YF3eWVpjt6814M8UaFIA:9 a=H0gdvdb-XCu3w0_SYyUA:7 a=kgPinXoajv_-ayudGR2-xLCy_FEA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 23 Aug, Dave Symes wrote: > Unfortunately it has not been possible to do the PDF work on RO because > of the size of the documents and the time it takes on RO for the PDF > process, so we've been using Win OvPro and PDFCreator on a reasonably > spec'd computer to print out of Win OvPro. (In seconds rather than > forever on RO). When I've got very large documents in OvPro that I want to convert to PDF in a hurry I print to file using the excellent !PS3 and feed this into GhostGum's GSView on XP laptop. It does a good job converting to PDF and I've not had any issues with transparency or large graphics frames (almost always Artworks2 files). regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. 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Was Default Stationery From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:01:09 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=16ZsvjwHPiOC2YMIsjQA:9 a=SulNhJJLiwHeDMOIuxkA:7 a=0Tih0z9LF9SkozLlid2kPaOpctMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 24 Aug 2010, at 11:52, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall writes >> Having ticked it, if you click on the button to the right, you'll be = offered other options ... but these are not critical to the transparency = issue >=20 > But no, they are, level 3 needs to be selected. >=20 > (The option printer level might also work). Well, here, ALL levels appear to work ... and with Generic PS selected = or not. Perhaps it depends on the image type/transparency used. I'll = send you my test image by private email, so that you can take a look. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 14:19:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OntHX-06y000-05-CSK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:19:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OntHX-06y000-05-CSK; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:11:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OntHX-06y000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:11:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OntHR-0000uz-7o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:11:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB82ED2CAC6; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282655463; bh=BAe9X9W1XGWA3esLH5d/+nfo9V6XrkKO9tvONKeo vEo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=rsLqjxl6Xar6vxu/Asgn3O9LgVZZ5weyfMNE+qJYjgaU2/uJiT hXE6eNXilj91p7/Q9SJ/yZOxBYBXxG7BddgpU0xjNoxGkCapIhn2DGzsQ14pVb3lb7O HcUkyYY0wf1n5dG90mULpHylZmQzxgkDKnDDUq4WfSwoxMzplPbSbU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNqnQxHgDWxz; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A57AD2CB99; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282655462; bh=BAe9X9W1XGWA3esLH5d/+nfo9V6XrkKO9tvONKeo vEo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GiriysjNZyVi6LCGXH3UCkWhW9u14dMKHBEu+KXSWpWI1bAq60 eNzuOLtVfh9Zpbj1PPZawXPBsLAfO4rwXcJw9OC9KtTrjvfYoakUhfOAL2o1hmGlPnx XEY91kfw5q/yJ/FyYOxcV4/34hVc5RfROV/j3R7K0wMyci5g7eqjXQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72AF0D2CB9B for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1CDerS8xc9ym for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99D4D2CB99 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OntH4-0003QV-ij for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:10:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:09:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=A_kH2pQwAUKd1KtJd4sA:9 a=cuOJoMXpXCC7huPZFNkA:7 a=MTWeo0pLvX1-5HhtNB2XHqZZVSkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=_YYy3CQWTF83U4L5:21 a=x-21i1o7oitkQDl1:21 Hi, In message <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Well, here, ALL levels appear to work ... and with Generic PS selected >or not. Perhaps it depends on the image type/transparency used. I'll >send you my test image by private email, so that you can take a look. Of course transparency, sprites with masks, works on RISC OS, where until recently there was no level 3 PostScript. I guess when I did my level 1 and 2 PostScript I incorporated support for transparency in to them - so I was wrong. However, as you may know, PostScript transparency on RISC OS is rubbish (unless you get Martin Wuerthner's new level 3 driver). So to that extent I am right that using level 3 is the thing to do. What you should see is that level 3 produces more compact PDF files, and possibly more accurate results. Your GIF file is converted into a sprite with a mask when it is loaded into OPW. Only level 3 PostScript has decent support for transparency. Transparency can be achieved on lower levels - at worst you can plot one pixel at a time. Finally, the direct PostScript option does not support Windows meta files (.wmf, .emf), so there's a choice to make. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Was Default Stationery From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:21:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17FD294D-BF56-439E-83A8-DECFC4D4F575@ed.ac.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fx54aom_ftI_WRRI3YwA:9 a=lXvR-qdWzNQbkDFcENoA:7 a=YeyFvZpXlNS30U7B0-hEonQ5QIEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 24 Aug 2010, at 14:09, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall writes >> Well, here, ALL levels appear to work ... and with Generic PS = selected or not. Perhaps it depends on the image type/transparency used. = I'll send you my test image by private email, so that you can take a = look. >=20 > Of course transparency, sprites with masks, works on RISC OS, where = until recently there was no level 3 PostScript. I guess when I did my = level 1 and 2 PostScript I incorporated support for transparency in to = them - so I was wrong. > What you should see is that level 3 produces more compact PDF files = ... Yes, that seems to be the case. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 14:49:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ontmm-3zO000-08-Bx5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:49:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ontmm-3zO000-08-Bx5; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:43:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ontmm-3zO000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:43:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ontmh-0001Xl-46 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:43:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E55C6D2CBFC; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282657402; bh=6i9MiVQo8bkPpmWtukmTmVfRiLcYSXERXg+EmN3e hp0=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=O0m77X18g8h2AwqHUUpEzgWOUCX/GjDyYvxIDlJz msJnfwnc6Ow6r7Vy0YO3fBHszBanVEQk17S0AmO1i0biE7UvRaEuy4kZn1g2cXIW/ho zqHLune4krzNbXBZewF/iItfOrpAJitL5utKBZ4K9pRoLRqLPu+cngWJPEc+emqo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46SMQNTgvbDD; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E12F0D2CC1A; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282657401; bh=6i9MiVQo8bkPpmWtukmTmVfRiLcYSXERXg+EmN3e hp0=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=PO3wNm0ndiy6D7wTHxYRotLn4uMD0KKiNAUktn0x MLJHDedxqpbZ0qBzucHkEkliHYUJdoDlsZhobWuxGvyFaUx2BKQTk82KXEebEMtc+Nv CBoB5hClU+MdWoHsou3K4pk5p8ULkRCwHasYUGcGqqiRqPLhwA51DSB0Mqz7oZhw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8819D2CC2F for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dY+gCxCTMakD for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F1CBD2CC1A for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1331873wwi.10 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.146.143 with SMTP id h15mr5539467wbv.149.1282657382305; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpn2-070.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk (vpn2-070.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.4.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w31sm96045wbd.9.2010.08.24.06.43.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:42:59 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0C3126AD-6BB5-4B9F-9207-9254296BE3E0@ed.ac.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fx54aom_ftI_WRRI3YwA:9 a=lXvR-qdWzNQbkDFcENoA:7 a=YeyFvZpXlNS30U7B0-hEonQ5QIEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 24 Aug 2010, at 14:09, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <1412C04D-02E3-4C4D-9E9D-0FEBD6602B8A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall writes >> Well, here, ALL levels appear to work ... and with Generic PS = selected or not. Perhaps it depends on the image type/transparency used. = I'll send you my test image by private email, so that you can take a = look. >=20 > Of course transparency, sprites with masks, works on RISC OS, where = until recently there was no level 3 PostScript. I guess when I did my = level 1 and 2 PostScript I incorporated support for transparency in to = them - so I was wrong. > What you should see is that level 3 produces more compact PDF files = ... Yes, that seems to be the case. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 24 14:49:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ontrw-3mV000-05-Brv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:49:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ontrw-3mV000-05-Brv; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:48:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ontrw-3mV000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:48:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ontru-0002Ks-RG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:48:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86FC3D2CC38; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282657729; bh=i8Ql3p32FZ+u1jfMk3oXl64k6llUswK5uCFk00j4 CLE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=YAclQ+PAg7tLiCHPxcfEcjaPDrDqT yGqrceUvVFlCSMwhzM/AeFscaYUnzdQ9WYS6DWInejyoi5Bv3XNryAdLI8D6e8sau3I xhH4DdfhdVeRma1J6JjVCXXbM87N2hp4j3JFpx+zEbT4UOTZLBUc2iViVPFuiC108Q3 z++sELyc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Np9vjfmQ2YLD; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFE2CD2CB65; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282657727; bh=i8Ql3p32FZ+u1jfMk3oXl64k6llUswK5uCFk00j4 CLE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=XOkR58yOjRdwKfh6ss5fetprihAEL FVHPJcY415ulGWeNcgysN22hoXVeVOiVyaJL6uEhDMGpKkYBiGKRsH0bhd7WYPv50dj 26UOwKhlq+GkgcvTR9NgNCzVkRzNqXG9evtHk17tHJ/AWDyvl53qNs+IQIxOOxLp04R npqT8Zdg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE1F3D2CA55 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 018WmezhsbIi for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 503BFD2CB99 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ontrd-0001cS-XT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:48:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:47:08 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Dutch and French dictionary updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oATqqxHNI9wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mDPjWtYsjXV2Owy35qcA:9 a=tYUm7Aw7aXlTRvWGzuIA:7 a=cn032qSdDiLE-OzAxx-7IBZed-QA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_oHZq9Q9MWg68j7N:21 a=ktPTjZcxg9i98LGv:21 Hi, Jan-Maarten van Vredenburch has kindly supplied me with updated versions of his French and Dutch dictionaries for Ovation Pro, and his Dutch hyphenation data. For RISC OS, the dictionaries are at: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/dutch.zip http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/french.zip For Windows they're available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/Others/Vredenburch/Dictionaries/InstallFrench.exe http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/Others/Vredenburch/Dictionaries/InstallDutch.exe The hyphenation text which can be dropped into the usual hyphenation dictionary window, is available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/Others/Vredenburch/Dictionaries/DutchHyph.txt For RISC OS the hyphenation data is enclosed in the dictionary zip file. Bonne chance... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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(In seconds rather than >> forever on RO). > When I've got very large documents in OvPro that I want to convert to PDF > in a hurry I print to file using the excellent !PS3 and feed this into > GhostGum's GSView on XP laptop. > It does a good job converting to PDF and I've not had any issues with > transparency or large graphics frames (almost always Artworks2 files). A similar method: make a Postscript file from an OvPro document on RISCOS with !PS3 in !Printers, transfer it to an XP machine which has PDFCreator (set in Windows as the application to open PS files) and a recent version of Ghostscript installed, and simply double-click the PS file there. PDFCreator does the rest in a fraction of the time taken to convert PS to PDF with Ghostscript on RISCOS. This worked well for me recently with a 170-page document: as it uses !PS3 there should be no problem with any graphics. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: qnh@asgard.org.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FWAA2xQhh1MA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EVBlwNnAsq4eTWSiJzAA:9 a=DGwAUYg7uMLLjihJ5kcA:7 a=NiEgY8gu-FHXylQajsnFTjcPZ-oA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 On 29/08/10 23:31, David Pilling wrote: > In message <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail>, Gavin Crawford > writes > Perhaps you could call it "de-bobbleiser" [1] > [1] Mac + knitting pun I've always wanted a knitted Macintosh - my wife keeps threatening me with one! 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Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Opypj-0006UH-7v for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:31:11 +0100 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Opyd4-0002NF-7G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:18:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:12:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS - controlling text file import Message-ID: <514ec87b16john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4C7B2A60.2000409@asgard.org.nz> References: <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail> <7zOGuFCeUkeMFw+e@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4C7B2A60.2000409@asgard.org.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-archive-position: 207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FWAA2xQhh1MA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=civAzdLvAAAA:8 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Uw3d7Lbiw9QTOXK0YNAA:9 a=yqsX34_fgtC-UVPzrGkA:7 a=azG37gyVw8f8Dg9a8QCZbNxRQBIA:4 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 a=Ha2UXZ-3hmFHgRM8:21 a=w5OKY1W9uyudcnb-:21 In article <4C7B2A60.2000409@asgard.org.nz>, Keith & Elizabeth Hopper wrote: > On 29/08/10 23:31, David Pilling wrote: > > In message <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail>, Gavin Crawford > > writes > > Perhaps you could call it "de-bobbleiser" [1] > > [1] Mac + knitting pun > I've always wanted a knitted Macintosh - my wife keeps > threatening me with one! They don't really exist: this is just a stitch-up... Anyway, the business of smart quotes and associated matters has long been a complex issue, especially with different fonts' character mappings (public domain fonts brought over from other platforms in particular). I suspect there is no sensible universal way to solve this: it would need a character table for every font; though that at least would allow a specific font to be picked for the stitching in which one would have no mapping for the double-hyphen, either as supplied or by the user editing that fon't mapping. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! 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Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514be6efeadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0d7yBHCWSKIatQSUH1UA:9 a=vO0yDIhC98eX_qD9uvUA:7 a=yIcA_1r_UtTvecExkCfbC8mJNlsA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: [Snip] > Misc > Choices > Print choices > You'll see a tick box for > Having ticked it, if you click on the button to the right, you'll be > offered other options ... but these are not critical to the transparency > issue Thanks for the detail Clive, that has done the trick, all remaining unedited graphics with transparency, now PDF out of OvPro correctly with no blackouts. Hoobloominray! I did need to tick level 3. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 18:37:09 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OnxE8-3lIknw-03-H2F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:37:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OnxE8-3lIknw-03-H2F; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:24:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OnxE8-3lIknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:24:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OnxE4-0002hd-Uw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:24:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE738D296DD; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282670627; bh=+RlTLmHnvYz+RT1nHgHzkB51//t0rAOlGOEFJz+I Ego=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wlH2RN NinhTDc6u4rZIKbNEzza4TTz5pE6uCggPt1Kmi+wkExkVBBLZdjN48o/rSFJj3WZVoz ked6jTMxoZ+jgc00Wz6dt3yQrh99hutuXvnYMrM3gGMmTHMacf3WT2gpukqnEQ/F1FI JxQ3O+WuKgb92+OgQzyW2YazIUdzCZU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5BsWdG4Pfzu5; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3B4FD2961D; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282670624; bh=+RlTLmHnvYz+RT1nHgHzkB51//t0rAOlGOEFJz+I Ego=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=fQqQGR ydIR4wL8Co/nj0fOWzdeXnmQ/dYzMJAEisP2ZIQtkVxLzMF9POU0sitxvRdh8rsnqEu J//dS4uy4QpcDT77XXLjaVHQQElolL1o9S/7JRUjzuu3/Ob5FCM6M+Uecu58OTrh+gb PeJNUx7Ot8MZSH1DTfwczyaua4RmQ/4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92510D29657 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zdhcCRniRI73 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8052AD2961D for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.165.202]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7OHMnnr000849 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:22:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:59:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: More Stationery... Was Default Stationery Message-ID: <514be73c7edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5149ea3be8dave@triffid.co.uk> <514a777fe3dave@triffid.co.uk> <514ac92ecfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514ad5fc11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514addc8dadave@triffid.co.uk> <514af1f58bdave@triffid.co.uk> <514af7035cdave@triffid.co.uk> <514b235b15dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b684d68dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b750c11dave@triffid.co.uk> <514b79f350dave@triffid.co.uk> <514bad8138dave@triffid.co.uk> <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gmm8nBjO900A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DXCkeQgjNba7v05IDf8A:9 a=mCNam8x3xaWx-3RNUFYA:7 a=2JKgcwYewmfnIhhL_zgJUltPxFwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=wo4X6B70bxonyU6r:21 a=yOWJNvgiG47D3uXi:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <175B2342-18EA-469E-B9F2-B12968C70D9B@ed.ac.uk>, Clive > Bonsall writes > >Having ticked it, if you click on the button to the right, you'll be > >offered other options ... but these are not critical to the > >transparency issue > But no, they are, level 3 needs to be selected. > (The option printer level might also work). Indeedy, I had to select level 3. So thanks for the general info and prompt David, and thanks to clive for the fine detail. Now perhaps as she's sorted, I can get on with my own work ;-) Also, thanks to everyone who has made suggestions. Dave Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 20:45:56 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoKkG-0afknw-01-AZ9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:45:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoKkG-0afknw-01-AZ9; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:30:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoKkG-0afknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:30:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoKk5-0007Sp-9G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:30:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1254D2CC71; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282760986; bh=GoxJq8jNipYS5Bt9vDsmWsNLm0VAYwknAhh1ANUS 74M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=tbnXFEb6lAgJtMVQPuQXK3gjiAfvU wy8xReRfxKkta00EzJo/RGDU5pWPtey8C0OYFNMrcM647mX0WpBSN0fZCsI9NGvMNA5 3TH4SYde996o7Vs5FvKbPH1/WfWdsbNz+Hasu6UZ4C+QqnNuBoFZtUtSB/lxzhKncNC WflCzkf4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SjOM7udrRniT; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DAA1D29BC0; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282760985; bh=GoxJq8jNipYS5Bt9vDsmWsNLm0VAYwknAhh1ANUS 74M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=basJEjjaomGJU1ulmMSKtlrB+cisB 4nZGcNKOrQ1ynomrGrvlwuHBhSvqm6uqwNv9rddRXS4AazSwCLazVePYLXqVrrVwXFB +d0w3vWrbzQ5RPShgJu7wYxQg1z1Y9zLt9cZ0FqWlGv7Cdf6SA+aKWIE3RWfTHbJQT3 3kLbl4ko= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45312D2CD19 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WKzOUvxMxPof for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02BF6D2C001 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.206]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7PISJAf028366 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:28:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:28:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Font? Message-ID: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GbEXcAWAJdyGImoS8T4A:9 a=2QRS_krURVaj2l-w2IkA:7 a=6Sf-ItLAN_ggwP_IMeU5iAi5iMoA:4 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Leading on from my questions and the answers that sorted the transparency in PDF problems in Fays documents... Moving on to her Fonts. She has in her documents, a number (Few, she doesn't go silly with them) of fonts that don't have PC Win direct equivalents. I have found one or two that are close enough, so that I can set up OvPro Font mapping to allow the documents to be transferred between RO and Win. However, there are a couple which she loves, for which there's nothing close on the PC side. Is there anything like the effTTT, but do it in reverse, transform a RISC OS font to a TrueType font? 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From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:23:45 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hc1CCfvu49WikLgOnW8A:9 a=fQdAI6R4f288U1ifnSsA:7 a=FEFfunEwLpqgSloCcMqHAsdkc0MA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5YogDbPdFy8A:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 Aug 2010, at 19:28, Dave Symes wrote: > Is there anything like the effTTT, but do it in reverse, transform a RISC > OS font to a TrueType font? DrFonty ? : http://productsdb.riscos.com/swcat/font.htm ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 20:45:57 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoLbi-3TX000-08-9hh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:45:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoLbi-3TX000-08-9hh; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:25:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoLbi-3TX000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:25:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoLbd-0007UI-G3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF00D2B8D7; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282764352; bh=q3ZHt4EZ4BK+6kzF3zJnzf4L9ttzyZqDMCsH6n5m 5MQ=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=DGWJEBhGdZd5C6+141y0MeVy3IKcaXDXC1u3WfrO CvTcPA8bC+thckCXbzc8GtwXxWbkAgdNbBHA1g751q2AqdScqXbJXkXrhR6sabU2NbD KwQopBu9jlC0vdKG5N18IynqSahxPXcGp6UN/O2Y4cLCSmuAiMxWR4n2SqesktqI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YPO9sE1zQlPZ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E7CCD29700; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282764351; bh=q3ZHt4EZ4BK+6kzF3zJnzf4L9ttzyZqDMCsH6n5m 5MQ=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=UbXJaLdyysPXa3OC+KJub1Eg9IZ1bUSqH6kq784a Zsbts7wB8Db+EcjQ/d57HChH3X9/NMQ9RX5WQuaE9UTyb0GNqvKkGCISiUnEaUTL+Za U+/eltBjssLxL28WD9aH5NL1yLSofk3YILK1JCz7FKjaUoPGV4iNs2DfhyM3Kfmk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFA3CD2B344 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fS-1Q2mh0SV for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8829DD29700 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so1200999wwf.10 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.128.79 with SMTP id j15mr7860614wbs.88.1282764336915; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([89.240.141.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a1sm1473463wbb.14.2010.08.25.12.25.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font? From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:25:34 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=ece1dd9lAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bdRKOZLujJvHg-IcYRUA:9 a=IEDMO-7BCxeJ6z-1sXoA:7 a=lngSaZYJprsS9KO7kefKcUEzK1QA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5YogDbPdFy8A:10 a=SlWlbEuuKi0A:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 Aug 2010, at 20:23, Clive Bonsall wrote: > > On 25 Aug 2010, at 19:28, Dave Symes wrote: > >> Is there anything like the effTTT, but do it in reverse, transform a RISC >> OS font to a TrueType font? > > DrFonty ? : http://productsdb.riscos.com/swcat/font.htm Sorry, that link doesn't work. Try: http://www.apdl.co.uk/isv/drf.htm ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 21:35:52 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoMcn-1zlVbs-01-8gc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:35:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoMcn-1zlVbs-01-8gc; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:31:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoMcn-1zlVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:31:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoMci-0004ds-Aa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:31:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C7E2D2BC53; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282768259; bh=et0I7Ld3uNIuCVeR32gObfGtzIP9tGFA+b9nv62f kr4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BdeLGC Nwro0/jGmrxy1+QOwOgVULoBvxMxkD9eFl24I5v8uxzLOhlHqQeDu/l6L5ESGh9umQx k05itXQNDzMZN3ZDugniANmlyCNl1PYrp7KLyqEcOTXtPTMCRqLgBkCGk64tPILaR+V 9pwOLmgEftKB1l7eGiKLWhsVe7A1Ed8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mqf47w1cvj+U; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C93BD29595; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282768257; bh=et0I7Ld3uNIuCVeR32gObfGtzIP9tGFA+b9nv62f kr4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=V6AwE6 7RRsirx3WOPKDbsoke0bE8e4tMmk8k1smaFruVnS2KNdmdOi9Fh3l9ObWyO1bPHa1cH fDBNFSxbh4IW84i11WJgICNcK20gk4H52MhGda/0ViYYMOCnB+RlPQItB7RZrWz/r5f stW7ucA0lxcsi9ffVg0iSI9zyim9ekw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D050CD2BC19 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FU4b2LiKRh3z for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF68D2BC0F for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.138]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7PKU3Ok000700 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:30:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:17:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font? Message-ID: <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=ece1dd9lAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xsvZP9y93gfAzBidSTkA:9 a=uNts0J7Hem8gWXw_xY8A:7 a=Y4yTlGJioGcpCPakkbxQr7YmOx0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=5YogDbPdFy8A:10 a=SlWlbEuuKi0A:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=4Ktuisfw-52oRHCo:21 a=G6q5rzZUUJXr53Sk:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 25 Aug 2010, at 20:23, Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > > On 25 Aug 2010, at 19:28, Dave Symes wrote: > > > >> Is there anything like the effTTT, but do it in reverse, transform a RISC > >> OS font to a TrueType font? > > > > DrFonty ? : http://productsdb.riscos.com/swcat/font.htm > Sorry, that link doesn't work. Try: http://www.apdl.co.uk/isv/drf.htm > ========================================== > C.B. > ========================================== Thanks for the thought Clive, I already have DrFonty 1.44 and can't see anyway to save out as a TrueType font. Yes I've even been through the manual. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 21:35:52 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoMco-2RfGPo-07-8gb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:35:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoMco-2RfGPo-07-8gb; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:31:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoMco-2RfGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:31:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoMce-000785-Q1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:31:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E14E4D2BC43; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282768258; bh=xv1xtAH+Nza1XMjsCCR3yL6Q0vbxXw8qvM6im0A6 464=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=aSy1ShFsoQZqn+GSiqiTh5zhkH5Ik f9TJ8tcKsc33rsQd4wX2Uo8PUShS80Ktzp1qIx+LJPMTANPiJXZmjHEKgpy/SF//u1a Pt7muAntzleVBUwLbPkUTBRTyH5h/DLb+ACbSjyrX8yvEGrG9sVtSxNS4ns3xFqgM37 e1ofqTDw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bxuiOd09U4MH; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CBA1D2BC0F; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282768257; bh=xv1xtAH+Nza1XMjsCCR3yL6Q0vbxXw8qvM6im0A6 464=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VfcaUrJxK/wAJEdniY3xr3dfZlzYq hUd3zzM5l4JjZhU6jqp5i3H5IwRLUYaI5gHlRCkhIXKF8w0mUDkuSXipcAyucO2BXBh u7JLPFU4zYSx/E18meoLAIhJyRLQmUMmfus6KerohH76IuAsHOTWDJXzm+L1YXbMsb5 5kZDhAKU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE5BFD2BC11 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lbt66HO+8p4f for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44455D29595 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.138]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7PKU3Om000700 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:30:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:30:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] A Key symbol is really P****** me off Message-ID: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5X8UH7L09LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=v_efAb2iRN-gjE-_gOkA:9 a=kaXSdlDErGq0qCuBl8IA:7 a=gvbID3-MMZqpIOciLrpJObVzN-AA:4 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OvPro for Windows. Something that's been happening to both Fay and I while we've been working on her documents, and it's getting bloody annoying to put it very mildly... Piece of text, one word, one line, one paragraph it matters not. Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then drag along the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Why, what's going on? Obviously, caret at the start, [Shift] then caret at the end does select the text. Thanks Dave I've just noticed, this happens with OvPro for RISC OS but not as bad. So what is going on, whatever it is we DON'T want it. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 21:55:53 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoMum-27R000-06-Gv9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:55:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoMum-27R000-06-Gv9; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoMum-27R000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoMuj-0005tZ-9n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:49:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B5DED2C713; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282769379; bh=b40zjflGfPEQfi6IXUMhdsAxREofrJ90rsQLsVP2 Onc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Vro+SXGVG9K/8zBIbFHU4yQT0IKDiqMvL3OKIuQ/NqO0SJu/Fq g/OeuedDsg3vOMOck9v7RGrFeJ9nuQmf14xZiXPBuroBpgY2sPTlhpwlkoTjbC8Xnjf r8NDqqa9VtvdC0GYHpfINeRbPoOX5cKtlgj5PPAGLZ87l7TwDGPzCY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z+eW4WKUl4ZK; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1471ED2BC43; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282769378; bh=b40zjflGfPEQfi6IXUMhdsAxREofrJ90rsQLsVP2 Onc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=gYLuDHl/x155DkHREYqLveYk+nse7sgodz9V5QEXA0sTtoEUFL LiTFN8QuA6OL7Eeb8Wo60Zt8ifeDLpxF+FD7vkp580I5C+7MjoZHN/285SlS3y3XUxr VYNgUFIKD/yTh03d+2Iuc4Lc0BCucvbs4+pbYEtPLQU8J2VBmjtroM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E261BD2C02C for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kbjMUKYcj6mi for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8834BD2BC43 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OoMuR-0002D6-iY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:49:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9$lHdbD9FYdMFwHo@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:47:57 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font? References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-archive-position: 174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=N4oiMd5tU3An5FlZPiUA:7 a=Ns6LTvdxcm8CnQq7e4RiAhN4zbQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Q7hX7qbSUTg6FgIo:21 a=l7OiCD-6AJQlQgrz:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Thanks for the thought Clive, I already have DrFonty 1.44 and can't see >anyway to save out as a TrueType font. You might like to know that Windows can use PostScript fonts direct. I feel this subject has come up before - which means look at the archives, Google. But anyone who knows the answer, feel free to post it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <9$lHdbD9FYdMFwHo@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:56:28 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E1A86D7-C589-4EC1-9902-F8541080A017@ed.ac.uk> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk> <9$lHdbD9FYdMFwHo@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DCw8hxk22LkrsdhFzEEA:9 a=DcnIgFPNm-VHcGsMnkYA:7 a=zW7I5WyXcafLnod-WHEZLFyYfXQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=3nsPusUoOWUiEqBZ:21 a=MRJDknjAlEU2jd3L:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:47, David Pilling wrote: > In message <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes = writes >> Thanks for the thought Clive, I already have DrFonty 1.44 and can't = see >> anyway to save out as a TrueType font. >=20 > You might like to know that Windows can use PostScript fonts direct. >=20 > I feel this subject has come up before - which means look at the = archives, Google. But anyone who knows the answer, feel free to post it. Windows XP certainly has PostScript Type 1 support. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 22:05:53 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoN36-2G7knw-05-Gmp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:05:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoN36-2G7knw-05-Gmp; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:58:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoN36-2G7knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:58:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eIxjC5MB+CKw for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32944D2BEC5 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:58:01 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMFAAIhdUxUXeb0/2dsb2JhbACTJIZhhjlxvXeCcIJHBA Received: from outmx03.plus.net ([84.93.230.244]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2010 21:58:01 +0100 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1OoN2m-0003Nc-HM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:58:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:57:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off Message-ID: <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eQILAUN8x1cKTjOZT-IA:9 a=NFQyG-9n0CK7FBtcbnIA:7 a=0NySgsk-qBCS8UjgDV_k-aGOXgYA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cC2YPPMhcnGwI5tR:21 a=WUVKfnKqbSAmg8fP:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then > drag along the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. I think you are holding down the mouse button too long before starting the drag. A 'long' hold down is detected by OPro as the start of a 'move the frame' operation. However, if the frame is a master frame, then it is locked and cannot be moved and the key pointer is to remind you of this. If you start the drag to select the text straight away then the selection occurs. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 22:25:54 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoNTP-2FiGPo-04-GMW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoNTP-2FiGPo-04-GMW; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:25:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoNTP-2FiGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:25:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoNTL-0000uS-5L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:25:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D04D7D2BD62; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282771523; bh=q0epa8HDDKNkqTYk1aH40KuOo44o5ywgmD2EXcdO Gzk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=qjjpyx oprxAGTlXP6w1REeUwoCiOoKIg1dtVkua5lQz0X168vFObwMBiQJ6Xh/XJ7KA9+AIeE elDzvQGkdNFKHWlN9/clRMlnT4BAsGu+OP5LBETTfmKTXgw1SAWmPTxWTWqhnAw77Il Z2kRSm6LefHIP6DY4P60JYy6rXIq5eA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y4-vLN+XXYn9; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4252BD2BD0F; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282771522; bh=q0epa8HDDKNkqTYk1aH40KuOo44o5ywgmD2EXcdO Gzk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NX0FFV 2+YQ9RX+ZNws3eIvP3myJNY8UULyJy4Sphti7aUaiugC7ixU3pP5O4jQZXfgGqqdhZL K+v+OyhiOWX3N5eKKkbz2MmaChP3JaPe3C+RlyxGUPekxWr4cb88BuYleDdmyUb3p4J SU+TpjXo1Mh5fqN4x7FBEie8bW3SxZA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 198A0D2BD2B for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEd3xiRHzWFR for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD4B7D2BD0F for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.138]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7PLOQWt002897 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:24:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font? Message-ID: <514c835f27dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8E1A86D7-C589-4EC1-9902-F8541080A017@ed.ac.uk> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk> <9$lHdbD9FYdMFwHo@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8E1A86D7-C589-4EC1-9902-F8541080A017@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DVkrVavPP2LS6f1rl5gA:9 a=9bn_aBvHs-_Yh1R3fMUA:7 a=GphC7KeURQ3hd9If4VoeUwa5t88A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=kexaI8kzxoX_F_DH:21 a=bK_jXZWlMHyWlrwB:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8E1A86D7-C589-4EC1-9902-F8541080A017@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:47, David Pilling wrote: > > In message <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes > >> Thanks for the thought Clive, I already have DrFonty 1.44 and can't > >> see anyway to save out as a TrueType font. > > > > You might like to know that Windows can use PostScript fonts direct. > > > > I feel this subject has come up before - which means look at the > > archives, Google. But anyone who knows the answer, feel free to post > > it. > Windows XP certainly has PostScript Type 1 support. So, just how do you get a PS font out of DrFonty. Problem 1) The Save menu of PostScript has three entries. Problem 2) Save>Metrics causes DrFonty to fall over and die. Problem 3) The Outlines.PFB file is not considered by Window to be a Fontfile. 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Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EA85D2BCDD for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.138]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7PLOQWr002897 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:24:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:14:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off Message-ID: <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Yaun6QR6XVKwEWXH3rkA:9 a=xru51_xjC7PlTSvzMu4A:7 a=PVc3x9fynM8sLRCGN8dD_Uw2fs0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=LAnxrSTtyS75aEow:21 a=Y1Oy5TRMfqPtw9cQ:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then > > drag along the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. > I think you are holding down the mouse button too long before > starting the drag. A 'long' hold down is detected by OPro as the > start of a 'move the frame' operation. However, if the frame is a > master frame, then it is locked and cannot be moved and the key > pointer is to remind you of this. If you start the drag to select the > text straight away then the selection occurs. What, what, what! Okay, I understand what you are saying, and if I de-select the Master frame (Click outside it) then I can take as long as I like to select the text. Fay particularly has sight problems, so she needs to take time to get the caret positioned before doing the selection. FWIW... Doesn't happen in Publisher. :-{~ Any other way around this (insert own) thing? Any setting to change, to increase the delay before it thinks you are trying to move the frame? Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 25 22:35:55 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoNXT-22C000-07-GIS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:35:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoNXT-22C000-07-GIS; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:29:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoNXT-22C000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:29:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoNXT-0006ki-7P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:29:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC4E6D2BFDC; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282771772; bh=sdGqgdYHfkhxqdBaOx47NsGfuvfSmr7uVuJQXgjD 8iI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LZWggUVhSCRmaMfygQXDA6YxUx2Z31MMR7a3Nsk0WyyellRydV kzjP8lDZqshaUkKhvFlq13/Z3KaEzwflo16YF2lgoh0rBK293ll4wbKTmyQCvljmnRH en4dULn1c6jTBvckIPjnsFqi0VtyGqrhjOj/X3qHqK5QUCgSnm7qSo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tju75zoFVKJa; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11BBBD295CD; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282771772; bh=sdGqgdYHfkhxqdBaOx47NsGfuvfSmr7uVuJQXgjD 8iI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LZWggUVhSCRmaMfygQXDA6YxUx2Z31MMR7a3Nsk0WyyellRydV kzjP8lDZqshaUkKhvFlq13/Z3KaEzwflo16YF2lgoh0rBK293ll4wbKTmyQCvljmnRH en4dULn1c6jTBvckIPjnsFqi0VtyGqrhjOj/X3qHqK5QUCgSnm7qSo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E04E7D29876 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qZYCudgoTgbZ for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 572D6D295CD for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100825212903.GIVZ3192.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:29:03 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100825212903.BIPI13964.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:29:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:17:58 +0100 Message-ID: <43407d4c51.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3ENABmdyEd/Fm7fR7+mZIuMDn6+IErAeEhlfWBImZFk= c=1 sm=0 a=HflAZoaCx2EA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=ece1dd9lAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h_gWFFkGZb9YZV9E4FUA:9 a=MqocpYuAhFKWNqx3zlMA:7 a=4WsNq2Ey5X76fa4ge-W8ZsG5HAYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=5YogDbPdFy8A:10 a=SlWlbEuuKi0A:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=a14oRA8udLoHWAI8:21 a=z6PEZEdaMCMsXnW5:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=ece1dd9lAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h_gWFFkGZb9YZV9E4FUA:9 a=pP_A1SFB_yFXWOnpmycA:7 a=2kHfn8jpzk9uxKUgQzkNq5RI1gsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=5YogDbPdFy8A:10 a=SlWlbEuuKi0A:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=d8S6AlBSa2mIB1xy:21 a=fnguXrIY0YuHnEgH:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 25 Aug 2010, at 20:23, Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >> On 25 Aug 2010, at 19:28, Dave Symes wrote: >> >>> Is there anything like the effTTT, but do it in reverse, transform a RISC >>> OS font to a TrueType font? >> >> DrFonty ? : http://productsdb.riscos.com/swcat/font.htm Works for me on the Iyonix, Netsurf, Alan > Sorry, that link doesn't work. Try: http://www.apdl.co.uk/isv/drf.htm > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 26 11:34:35 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoOCU-0aeVbs-05-FdR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:34:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoOCU-0aeVbs-05-FdR; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:12:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoOCU-0aeVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:12:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoOCQ-0006sl-Sb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37FABD295BF for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OoOC7-0006Ap-XM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:11:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:10:31 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-archive-position: 180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=P9goeRdhv1N9-Y5A4y0A:7 a=Z9vBeDR_ThWaJc6ufHpXEBKES4oA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=B_5xIacuCe0baNkE:21 a=UmLSGQxdzSldm7xz:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Any other way around this (insert own) thing? > >Any setting to change, to increase the delay before it thinks you are >trying to move the frame? Yes, the problem is OP having the concepts of click drag (mark text) and long click drag (move things). Whilst no one seemed to have problems with this on RISC OS on Windows it has upset people and I added a Choice->View->long click delay setting. ISTR that by setting it big enough you can get rid of long click drags. See the changes file on the web site. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5817D2CED2 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:52:19 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigHAN6ddUxUXebj/2dsb2JhbACTJ4ZhhjlxuzSFNwQ Received: from outmx01.plus.net ([84.93.230.227]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2010 06:52:18 +0100 Received: from bapfish.plus.com ([84.92.151.71] helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1OoVNp-0002Pl-WC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:52:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=S61xetMnUHxALDLvcIMA:9 a=mj45IVtgA4oZZyQGKEwA:7 a=pPSJmOc5T-pGXp34QTLaqE-RehcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ZOSfclAAW-QbvZoI:21 a=RC4XVqlf7XsIwIrN:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > OvPro for Windows. > Something that's been happening to both Fay and I while we've been working > on her documents, and it's getting bloody annoying to put it very mildly... > Piece of text, one word, one line, one paragraph it matters not. > Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then drag along > the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. > Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Have you tried: Double clicking a word to select it. Triple clicking a line to select it. Quadruple clicking a paragraph to select it. Does that make it easier for what you want to do? Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 26 11:34:52 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoVj7-3NQVbs-01-GdK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:34:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoVj7-3NQVbs-01-GdK; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:14:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoVj7-3NQVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:14:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoVj2-0004hR-IY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:14:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BA4ED2CF95; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:14:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282803248; bh=T1efG6uiZi8pwAHnXsoUqsqGN0KWR1dANGYyXFgK /U0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VVLjwN BvqGSSQrdh9l2As1J/58yiM0kVPCjoN6ApaffOvwQ5F9u7/ZsEVp4DqwAriKkZLdv8Q f+jSJLDwMxwNg7HKpXNByYt7CvZrQVdqDnPxh3nMYdX09LWkWUdl8kIPSwDvnXwvqx/ fEtgOQjpqaU+uOC3qLGBDQEBsfgmD/k= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hp6SZXx-6Wau; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97D3AD29AFE; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282803245; bh=T1efG6uiZi8pwAHnXsoUqsqGN0KWR1dANGYyXFgK /U0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lmWk8R lc8zQlp1t6YuRfYNCcUaLrmr8i44Poz2IraaAY+GaZYbwhrWoR9CYGvTJCQogPHH6q/ +GKRnJjJHu9XLBAvFBA7dEyj6LVHLGpCEc+NOnk+9TbJkRcKcuRy68IpMOO0a/H01bQ XMvDFlZeyqMjcnjTHSYZuSUc2XoRFks= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 627D0D2CF6F for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zR6EslcPYbnR for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA959D2CF68 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.164.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7Q6DCvm023458 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:13:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:45:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Font? Message-ID: <514cb12db5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43407d4c51.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> <43407d4c51.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zz_3IOTelcKT6uF6Sn0A:9 a=MfRHyYcLA81f7p8Z7MgA:7 a=tm3oqXDySxhq9FqMc9U5boYxdKUA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <43407d4c51.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: [Snippy] > Works for me on the Iyonix, Netsurf, > Alan I'm glad DrFonty works okay for you Alan, but how exactly are you getting the PS font saved out? Saving out RISC OS fonts is okay, and doesn't crash DrFonty. I've just tried DrFonty on a RO 4.39 system and it doesn't crash out, so I guess it's another application ...... by RISC OS 6. But I'd still like to know how I get a PS font that windows will recognise out of DrFonty, even running it on 4.39? Despite what it might say in the manual, no file out of DrFonty PS save Is accepted by Windows Font manager... It wants a PFM file to accompany the PFB file. 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Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01C0CD2CF69 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.164.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7Q6DCvo023458 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:13:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:59:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off Message-ID: <514cb2750cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pokBookcdPeYuWjOV_sA:9 a=BNypC389gedUZmjPhUQA:7 a=QZslQPtgDyTzsDNl7BxuEE-ejQQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=u1EK50gKgiLzNClp:21 a=TlKg1tFQmiXsqczb:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Any other way around this (insert own) thing? > > > >Any setting to change, to increase the delay before it thinks you are > >trying to move the frame? > Yes, the problem is OP having the concepts of click drag (mark text) and > long click drag (move things). Whilst no one seemed to have problems > with this on RISC OS on Windows it has upset people and I added a > Choice->View->long click delay > setting. ISTR that by setting it big enough you can get rid of long > click drags. See the changes file on the web site. Thanks for that bit 'O info David. I've tweaked the setting up a bit and that works a treat. Thanks Dave PS: That config doesn't seem to be available in the RISC OS OvPro, unless it's hiding somewhere else? D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 26 11:34:53 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:50 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoVrZ-2qDknw-05-GUs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:34:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoVrZ-2qDknw-05-GUs; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoVrZ-2qDknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoVrW-0000eC-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90146D28B0C; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282803776; bh=keefLSe+WZfKseJ7A61IEW/ZqXB8knuagKpszAUi Z5k=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xuC3eX P5BvhfzuodVd077Nk+XDFpPnXUjJGwZh20DTkXTz6CJdRLWHJHSD1/cMCm2cwJC9bBb zWtaJslrcwd4J0qOqc3bx8px71Jw7uvdbDwev4LTxQmerMeC+OR0dvd8iq1SbTHwZoq HU0/Oe5cmH+YUVhj+yx4BGGbGVxK4Jc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RMNdRw80iqkj; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBC0DD28903; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282803775; bh=keefLSe+WZfKseJ7A61IEW/ZqXB8knuagKpszAUi Z5k=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=oi/pLJ xoNbnVy/3tYYeBLTTA/hZUs/E+rfN/5GnbeiQb8v9IA6eKXlj6Vmw8x99IgGTxTkDNu bYRnP+mvdy/2mTvQWe0UOWJxsjmZ9Uw8++K0Y9fDHu0cSpODUdVZMzD4h1NvG6ca3d8 BYrbTu3VPXb/Ky3Mc6echA3qPyRuz+U= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70BAED289E4 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fsOmRiAJKgNb for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17776D28903 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.164.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7Q6M2HK023787 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:22:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:19:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off Message-ID: <514cb44d65dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Pev8YPUqu_y8CqeqQUwA:9 a=KQFN4BqvgAZwkzjel4sA:7 a=URA_Iry42AIPPXusYTo3cB5l1y4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=OGXj7HWarWlD5lsf:21 a=FHIm_iKS_7_tUB-9:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: > > OvPro for Windows. Something that's been happening to both Fay and I > > while we've been working on her documents, and it's getting bloody > > annoying to put it very mildly... > > Piece of text, one word, one line, one paragraph it matters not. > > Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then drag > > along the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. > > Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > Have you tried: > Double clicking a word to select it. > Triple clicking a line to select it. > Quadruple clicking a paragraph to select it. > Does that make it easier for what you want to do? > Bernard Sorry No! For example, how do you use the above methods to select three words out of a line? ;-) Mr P's config adjustment, slightly tweaked upwards has done the job perfectly, particularly for Fay. 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Thu, 26 Aug 2010 03:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFE7CD28D5B for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 03:41:03 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,272,1280703600"; d="scan'208";a="212771779" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2010 08:41:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4C125A001 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:41:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:41:02 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <514cb2750cdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> <514c80e30achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <514c826fe1dave@triffid.co.uk> <514cb2750cdave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.64.1.3226 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Bgd081PcPrhEEeEZv5wA:9 a=Tg7TyKi2LN68N5HZ9uIA:7 a=xkaZh8JqA1bvM7apF0y9SwFpT2wA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cRLgyrl8Ru9821bI:21 a=PNeh9EZP3YBpCWrs:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 26 Aug, Dave Symes wrote in message <514cb2750cdave@triffid.co.uk>: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > > Whilst no one seemed to have problems with this on RISC OS on Windows it > > has upset people and I added a > > > Choice->View->long click delay > > > setting. [snip] > PS: That config doesn't seem to be available in the RISC OS OvPro, unless > it's hiding somewhere else? Would that be the bit where David says: "Whilst no one seemed to have problems with this on RISC OS on Windows it has upset people and I added..."? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 26 11:34:53 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:51 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoYCk-1FPknw-01-E9h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:34:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoYCk-1FPknw-01-E9h; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:53:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OoYCk-1FPknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:53:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OoYCd-0001RT-BW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OZBaFTsxotfR4xDSh4MA:9 a=LaEew-T1KP__Yo-BSKIA:7 a=PGJCZ6imbukoRjOAqQ9_SUrWyagA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ODRxug5V7S_9RRbE:21 a=sWPYKukUyis_upcq:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <514cb44d65dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> In message <514c7e6709dave@triffid.co.uk> >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> Piece of text, one word, one line, one paragraph it matters not. >>> Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then drag >>> along the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. >> Have you tried: >> Double clicking a word to select it. >> Triple clicking a line to select it. >> Quadruple clicking a paragraph to select it. >> Does that make it easier for what you want to do? >> Bernard > Sorry No! > For example, how do you use the above methods to select three words > out of a line? ;-) > > Dave Triple click the line to select all of it, right click the start of the three words, right click the end of the three words. 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From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <514c835f27dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:18:06 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <49D12C04-FFF0-4C16-BCAD-21487EEE953B@ed.ac.uk> References: <514c734145dave@triffid.co.uk> <1A798610-8A81-4777-8578-D0B7806AB3E3@ed.ac.uk> <6278EA6F-D3C6-46BF-AB47-FC91407BE522@ed.ac.uk> <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk> <9$lHdbD9FYdMFwHo@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8E1A86D7-C589-4EC1-9902-F8541080A017@ed.ac.uk> <514c835f27dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-archive-position: 187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QAj-OS1oZHw_kped8QwA:9 a=hnMciE6x8XyYZH8cmmMA:7 a=FJ1vwVkkHRCAdYbN1lmXREl2TzUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=kK_3LfuMI0D1CuDm:21 a=njJEsZg-0FCYDsmL:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:24, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <8E1A86D7-C589-4EC1-9902-F8541080A017@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >> On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:47, David Pilling wrote: >=20 >>> In message <514c7d3981dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes = writes >>>> Thanks for the thought Clive, I already have DrFonty 1.44 and can't >>>> see anyway to save out as a TrueType font. >>>=20 >>> You might like to know that Windows can use PostScript fonts direct. >>>=20 >>> I feel this subject has come up before - which means look at the >>> archives, Google. But anyone who knows the answer, feel free to post >>> it. >=20 >> Windows XP certainly has PostScript Type 1 support. >=20 > So, just how do you get a PS font out of DrFonty. No idea, I'm afraid. I don't own a copy of DrFonty, and the demo version = has disabled. If you look in the DrFonty Help files under "The = Save Menu", it has something about PostScript, saving, and transferring = the fonts to Windows ... it witters on about Adobe Type Manager (ATM) = and so it may have been written in pre-XP days. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D CB =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 26 11:34:54 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:51 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OoYqt-0wvVbs-01-DVY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:34:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OoYqt-0wvVbs-01-DVY; 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Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:34:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1RuOFqPrxWe for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0C75D29731 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:34:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9750c24c51.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Key symbol is really P****** me off MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:34:39 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TJfchnvCIXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mCn2Mza0b0_-sUU_JhsA:9 a=o0ucvuKww3PKdhfNNc8A:7 a=cfFxqPey8AGlpk4XCO5TjS9Rvo8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cW1XUR1wX0hvOrXu:21 a=l6Sc4b6oAAnfFNH_:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >> Have you tried: > >> Double clicking a word to select it. > >> Triple clicking a line to select it. > >> Quadruple clicking a paragraph to select it. > >> Does that make it easier for what you want to do? > > > For example, how do you use the above methods to select three words > > out of a line? ;-) > > > > Dave > > Triple click the line to select all of it, > right click the start of the three words, > right click the end of the three words. > Might as well left click the start and right click the end and forget about the triple click. Interestingly I had thought that if you double clicked to select a word then right clicked to extend the selection it always went to a word boundary. But checking I find it doesn't. Further checking I find that it is Emacs that does that. Having double/triple clicked to select a "unit of text" any further change to the selection always jumps to the nearest "unit boundary". A feature that might have been nice in OPro. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. 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I'm sure some of the OvPro literati will know what's going on, but not I. One of her documents being redone was getting rather large (Bytewise) so we decided to see if we could slim it down a bit by re-doing the illos, which are all photos, and in Jpeg format, and in the original document most of them are in full colour. As the end result it to be printed in B&W form, it seemed the ideal move. So we found the originals on the computer, Greyscaled them, and using Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V pasted the new versions into the appropriate places in the doc to replace the colour old ones. Made a .Pdf of the document and sent it upline. I just happened to look at the properties of the file (Not the Pdf the OvPro) and was very boggled to see, it was even larger than before we Greyscaled the pictures. Eh! Take it as a given, with my GrumpMaster background, the questioning expletive were many... ;-) Anyway, GM cast out... back to logical thought. Examining the pictures now, shows them to all be .Bmp files. What a magical transformation, we started with Jpegs and ended up with full sized Bmp. It goes like this... If I open the Jpeg in a Win graphics editor (It matters not which ones are used) do a Ctrl-C on it then Paste it in the OvPro document frame, regardless, it becomes a .Bmp Take the Jpeg file and drop it in the the OvPro document frame, and it will remain a .Jpeg. What a chuckle, looks like that lot will have to be re-edited again. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 28 19:08:15 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:51 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Oovor-4gQ000-04-G78."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:08:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Oovor-4gQ000-04-G78; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:05:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Oovor-4gQ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:05:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Oovom-0001cn-VS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:05:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAF58D2D480; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282903551; bh=or4BzMBjT11RT5OaGZv0aM3tglnJ3e0nEGErVRXn HFA=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=misK+WdbCrj7yh CbroVvMAVgPtIHm+DMDO1WsV2OpPgy1ylj/2QtY153msVIu4Ywu19YPqo78ZY4eNM1X yeVjoFV+XHANb5FSOoovlHWPehcJhhNgYdgYInXV43ZHmNj6T+o5JISG/VKojPa2B8r dB35JK8Ff8xtFmVt92sUotA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNGtCLcNDYj1; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DD49D2D502; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1282903550; bh=or4BzMBjT11RT5OaGZv0aM3tglnJ3e0nEGErVRXn HFA=; h=In-Reply-To:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:From:Date: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=DHD3APfq1Mr7jJ h/tVOkg/u0+xTQqJNGG2Wnaim/9S5q85o3R/iW7bdtoPwK/IG9Qc04tSbNHGIXkdzRt N4gbSthUKlMI2uDUDwHmcNpKbSYRZARwMo/08QxZ6G395Yu9N+qE5BXVB0BIMoKpHZx UL38Zj7N+udJuTT2SWotndA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC892D2D4F4 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lXPxCtK67c44 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C79DD2D4BA for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:33 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:06:02 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FkbksW0wxmwUWV1I68oA:9 a=w09up926y-DErH7c680A:7 a=oZ4wAmGvB_lvyenKtqx6z65Sa1cA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pG7djxFCNZmEvVc7:21 a=Ey57e7X65tdVyGdj:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > So we found the originals on the computer, Greyscaled them, and using > Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V pasted the new versions into the appropriate places in > the doc to replace the colour old ones. > I'm not going to try and explain why you end up with .bmp files, but I could speculate. I'm not entirely surprised. What is worth mention though. Using jpeg and converting to greyscale will save you very little. The jpeg compression is such that it is optimised for full colour. You might be better using one of the other graphic formats for greyscale. Something like png, gif or even compressed tiff. Experiment with the output of your image editor to see which generates the smallest files. Regards Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. 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Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6631D2D33F for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.183.106]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7RAbfMn026258 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:37:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:38:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics Message-ID: <514d4fd670dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 191 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zuWE4kiaMqEfGkLcV_QA:9 a=yMIv43YPC5bZ7mjEPbwA:7 a=SrDdkcr3_f59Ku8OG7wcti8RQUsA:4 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , wrote: > > So we found the originals on the computer, Greyscaled them, and using > > Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V pasted the new versions into the appropriate places > > in the doc to replace the colour old ones. > > > I'm not going to try and explain why you end up with .bmp files, but I > could speculate. I'm not entirely surprised. > What is worth mention though. Using jpeg and converting to greyscale > will save you very little. The jpeg compression is such that it > is optimised for full colour. > You might be better using one of the other graphic formats for > greyscale. Something like png, gif or even compressed tiff. > Experiment with the output of your image editor to see which > generates the smallest files. > Regards > Andy Ling Mmn! I have to disagree. Example: Colour Jpeg in file is 639K Greyscale. Save out as Jpeg 451K Save out as Png 1.56 Mbytes (compression). Save out as Gif 2.71 Mbytes Save out as Tiff 1.92 Mbytes (Compression). Having just re-examined the Original OvPro for RISC OS document, I see a number of the file were in fact Sprites, so had the Jpeg insert stuck there would have been a substantial saving. 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Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00D6DD2D54B for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-21-0-227-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.0.227]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MJYJr-1OqK2N0hI3-002XWr; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:47:04 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:46:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:eGOUpzd4h8o1eNKgLregR3MKQjNi9qTjhT/BnE+747m 5s4XFN/qWDGwcpl5FfXxNvQiiF1dw4CvQ6TJC/wXFaaVM3uVYO /gJBujzKW249We/R10jdxtojo/eRDZM+KcG91OlWv1wMrPhnTI HgT1kddvf/SrHHgwVsV4Si/T5h35fS7ExToAK77zB7SimK6Ssk IrCrYqm3A2t24oPzstVhg== X-archive-position: 192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Gv2hNDkM02UA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2ySEM7M_ciHTOowNDMgA:9 a=zdcdiBqbWggMWzZeVtsA:7 a=pEmudPhhbD3TpNJgGMKAEwav7jcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=4KET5jYQs8p2daLX:21 a=ka-_OvcRY9U1NoJ9:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > Examining the pictures now, shows them to all be .Bmp files. > What a magical transformation, we started with Jpegs and ended up with > full sized Bmp. > It goes like this... > If I open the Jpeg in a Win graphics editor (It matters not which ones are > used) do a Ctrl-C on it then Paste it in the OvPro document frame, > regardless, it becomes a .Bmp > Take the Jpeg file and drop it in the the OvPro document frame, and it > will remain a .Jpeg. > What a chuckle, looks like that lot will have to be re-edited again. That has nothing to do with OvationPro. This is Windows for you. Windows programs never copy and paste JPEGs via the clipboard. That simply does not happen. So, strictly speaking, the reason is that your windows graphics editor did not offer OvationPro a JPEG, but the editor is not really to blame because that is not expected behaviour under Windows. 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Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4DBCD2D43E for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.183.106]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7RCBQlt030051 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:11:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:11:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics Message-ID: <514d586ca0dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 193 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GZNq021imJ8EHJR3sFMA:9 a=uHg6Ol2chzE_oj6qKuIA:7 a=_N8EbF5FBx2MLBmxmRlAggYpsNQA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=B6po643KBxROzHGs:21 a=PuwKy_YwZKhkmafO:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: > > Examining the pictures now, shows them to all be .Bmp files. > > What a magical transformation, we started with Jpegs and ended up with > > full sized Bmp. > > It goes like this... > > If I open the Jpeg in a Win graphics editor (It matters not which ones > > are used) do a Ctrl-C on it then Paste it in the OvPro document frame, > > regardless, it becomes a .Bmp > > Take the Jpeg file and drop it in the the OvPro document frame, and it > > will remain a .Jpeg. > > What a chuckle, looks like that lot will have to be re-edited again. > That has nothing to do with OvationPro. This is Windows for you. > Windows programs never copy and paste JPEGs via the clipboard. That > simply does not happen. > So, strictly speaking, the reason is that your windows graphics editor > did not offer OvationPro a JPEG, but the editor is not really to blame > because that is not expected behaviour under Windows. > Martin A most excellent illumination Martin. Thanks. 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([91.84.68.122]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7RCDcKX030144 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:13:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:14:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics Message-ID: <514d58b05briscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LMDFjBC4Py8deRoRSqUA:9 a=IUiVuErofDCQGpmpaRQA:7 a=VrZ47r1Emjfq4CkhXrLc8Ve_7hAA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=PN_mCFlrRPoAR-f0:21 a=Qq7lfZx-lWCUCt6w:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ba1504d51.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: > > Examining the pictures now, shows them to all be .Bmp files. What > > a magical transformation, we started with Jpegs and ended up with > > full sized Bmp. [ . . . ] > That has nothing to do with OvationPro. This is Windows for you. > Windows programs never copy and paste JPEGs via the clipboard. That > simply does not happen. > So, strictly speaking, the reason is that your windows graphics > editor did not offer OvationPro a JPEG, but the editor is not > really to blame because that is not expected behaviour under > Windows. I frequently put greyscale images into a parish mag I DTP. A way that works for me is: I first convert the colour image to greyscale in Photoshop Elements; saving it at very low quality (0 or 1) within the RISC OS environment. Then I see what size the JPEG looks like in relation to the document, and normally resize it by scaling it in ChangeFSI. If I also save it from there as a Sprite, the file size seems to get a lot smaller and the resulting document generally loses many Megabytes cumulatively. Michael Harding Rev. 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Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E495D2D787 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.192.28]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7RJixMF015811 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:07:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics Message-ID: <514d7e6dd8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NyAklZNKAgxARFYXkTkA:9 a=YERhMXPDUTnI7R_AEYMA:7 a=cZIkc_mPFT-EHnaW6B_rHANH6P0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=_-oPn-xOVp5C8if2:21 a=Sm_JJTPE6egiZAPE:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > OvPro Windows: > Well now, we are getting towards the ends of Fay's document conversion > work (Just a couple to go) [Snippy] Well, Fay's documents are all done. Hoobloominray! Just to say thanks to everyone who has helped with resolving various difficulties that ocurred during this exercise. Thanks, the input was appreciated by the both of us. 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During the recent Fay's documents sessions, it would have been very useful. Thanks Dave PS: I've looked on the Crawford site and can only see a RO version. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 28 19:08:28 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:51 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Op6Js-2tEknw-07-E8d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:08:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Op6Js-2tEknw-07-E8d; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:18:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Op6Js-2tEknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:18:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Op6Jp-0000dB-2R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:18:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AC04D2D557; 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Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A551DD2D545 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai8FACrId0zUnw4R/2dsb2JhbACgB1VxvGuFNwQ Received: from outmx02.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2010 22:18:09 +0100 Received: from [82.132.139.49] (helo=[10.90.218.131]) by outmx02.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1Op6JJ-0001Ik-RV; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:18:09 +0100 References: <514d81f38edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514d81f38edave@triffid.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A293) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A293) From: Roger Mayne Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nudge Applet Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:18:06 +0100 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-archive-position: 197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@themaynessenior.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aXReRmLcjqMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XutKhzOuVGi1RgyQKP0A:9 a=y-j74_2dBvBjv6XOql8A:7 a=VsxYwLrJLJY2upsGkhSSwB4R9CkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) No, unfortunately. In fact it is many years since I last asked Gavin for thi= s:-) However you can still this by using the arrow keys. Sent from Roger's iPhone On 27 Aug 2010, at 20:45, Dave Symes wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a Win OvPro version of Gavin's Nudge applet? >=20 > During the recent Fay's documents sessions, it would have been very useful= . >=20 > Thanks > Dave >=20 > PS: I've looked on the Crawford site and can only see a RO version. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Dave Triffid > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilli= ng To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 28 19:08:35 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:51 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OpDiO-2ZCVbs-02-FGd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:08:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OpDiO-2ZCVbs-02-FGd; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 05:12:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OpDiO-2ZCVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:11:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q+sAGPh3Ps9D for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40047D296E9 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.172.167]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o7S5AHRO006690 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 06:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 06:10:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Nudge Applet Message-ID: <514db5b517dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <514d81f38edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bcMO_NznRKbxB_PZNosA:9 a=BAfZF4ATUax0mhbcedYA:7 a=_Dnqiw67J4ajvFafooFRN90XqqAA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Roger Mayne wrote: > No, unfortunately. In fact it is many years since I last asked Gavin for > this:-) However you can still this by using the arrow keys. > Sent from Roger's iPhone > On 27 Aug 2010, at 20:45, Dave Symes wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is a Win OvPro version of Gavin's Nudge > > applet? > > > > During the recent Fay's documents sessions, it would have been very > > useful. > > > > Thanks > > Dave > > > > PS: I've looked on the Crawford site and can only see a RO version. > > Indeedy, and that's what we've been doing, but of course no diagonal nudging with the arrow keys. If we'd been working on the big desktop beast, I could have used the Numeric keypad to nudge in all directions, unfortunately we were using the laptop, and anyone who knows laptops can attest, trying to use the fake numeric keypad on that is a PITA at the best of times. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 28 19:37:44 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:19:51 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1OpQEe-2K1GPo-06-BGt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:37:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1OpQEe-2K1GPo-06-BGt; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:34:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1OpQEe-2K1GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:34:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1OpQEZ-0005Fk-DF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:34:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CCA9D2D35D; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1283020469; bh=P5mkuEdbOq4rwl8BoUnPZn90HtGefbiGczJMZba4 XD8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PfxvqTeYggEZrPqFe23NgRFi8hlgpXh4zGZ/CrLSmSMtLCQWYq VJeFsG5oSc2dedtiX1vdW0rlAFpLconCiN+J8ZublfdwGvE/Yf3sq18ydi1DelfMop+ UOH1ZJ8tiAUsnP65lcNClhntIY4bTxfTAkMYJ3AfDsmgvkvc9aDXo8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j6YRlYcx3qbb; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A16AD2B988; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1283020468; bh=P5mkuEdbOq4rwl8BoUnPZn90HtGefbiGczJMZba4 XD8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tcmLoXbeYRwHZe8z9zWIaVUveCHBbr0SeP057iAHuSc1mqXEBD MV5XQu76DaIsbmeVvixUXOwxWqy3RiWQMLOIbd+LBblLOJ9gUHNoZvcCKrcbH8/ZDli +QBA1C1DpEgUfNS6YarmasEOHSNNX9NMFvv9LJ5TCmyu5yNgK3rWyg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BB4DD2CC24 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PyJfElukdkp5 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAE04D2B988 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OpQEH-0000NR-c8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <9ynX+DC5TVeMFwPe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:27:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> <514d7e6dd8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514d7e6dd8dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-archive-position: 199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Cwjm4bwL5XbbfztBZGUA:9 a=j4YvfWwQbXbBjUi15wIA:7 a=qwYJy__3zmi_MN5q38qqsG-3vQUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OdWTd8XCX_PI4aZG:21 a=p7i0yNwxfRcru-z0:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, On the greyscale conversion. I would have thought it was worthwhile - but it's not going to work via the clipboard. If you load into DPScan, use the grey scale option, and then save to disc, you'll see what the saving is (about 10% [1]), DPScan is clever enough to spot gray scale images and use the appropriate JPEG format. Going via the clipboard, you need the source to offer JPEG as a format, and the destination to both accept it and give it a greater priority than other formats. Windows has the concept of "Paste - special", a paste option that lets you have some control over formats. RISC OS would be no better, and I suspect that not everyone would want a given behaviour. [1] surprised me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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I would have thought it was worthwhile - > but it's not going to work via the clipboard. > If you load into DPScan, use the grey scale option, and then save to > disc, you'll see what the saving is (about 10% [1]), DPScan is clever > enough to spot gray scale images and use the appropriate JPEG format. > Going via the clipboard, you need the source to offer JPEG as a format, > and the destination to both accept it and give it a greater priority > than other formats. > Windows has the concept of "Paste - special", a paste option that lets > you have some control over formats. RISC OS would be no better, and I > suspect that not everyone would want a given behaviour. > [1] surprised me. The whole copy/paste Jpeg thing has really surprised me, as I have been under the impression, for all the many years I've been using MS Windows that you could copy and paste almost anything to almost anything... If you read my posting of a couple days ago replying to Andy, my figures for the saving were somewhat larger. >From the Colour Jpeg of 639K to the Greyscale of 451K I make that just under 30 percent, rough mental calc. That was done in PaintShop Pro (9) using the default Jpeg Save settings. (Standard Encoding and Compression factor 20) That is a low compression better quality setting. 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Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73535D29A4D for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OpSIQ-0000ja-mo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:46:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 21:45:27 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Graphics References: <514d4b9695dave@triffid.co.uk> <514d7e6dd8dave@triffid.co.uk> <9ynX+DC5TVeMFwPe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <514e05fcd6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <514e05fcd6dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-archive-position: 201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=q9aZ6TtTFGdfaktPr_QA:9 a=prIdHygh6ZbW1xhBoEUA:7 a=wnmGaiiCGRWIypUqzCQF1uyuNDsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=SzVjbKfLXKWbox8X:21 a=mJUvYFU4uFeIf44q:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, In message <514e05fcd6dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >The whole copy/paste Jpeg thing has really surprised me, as I have been >under the impression, for all the many years I've been using MS Windows >that you could copy and paste almost anything to almost anything... Well you can, but it's how does the source know that you'd like to save as JPEG and how does the destination know that you'd like to load as JPEG. You might assume the source would say "I've loaded this as JPEG, therefore I will save in the same format". >From the Colour Jpeg of 639K to the Greyscale of 451K I make that just >under 30 percent, rough mental calc. There is one catch, you need to load colour jpeg, save (as colour) and then grey scale, save, and compare the two saved images, not the original with the grey one. When I was doing my test I found load jpeg, save (colour) jpeg gave a big saving in space. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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I've got some charts created in a text file made up from lots of=20 hyphen characters (ASCII 45), when imported in to OPro any two hyphens=20 together are replaced by an em-dash (ASCII 152). How can I switch this off so that the correct number of hyphens are=20 left intact? So far the only way I can stop this happening is if the text is passed=20 to the keyboard input buffer to simulate that it has just been typed=20 directly into OPro - then it doesn't translate -- into =98 This is a small example of what's happening, though it may not display=20 correctly in an email depending on how the ACSII 152 character is=20 handled. Original text file chart B-----B----- -B---B-B---B B---B-B-B--- ---B--B--B-- --B--B-B--B- ----B-B-B--- ------B----- ------B----- Translated in Opro. B=98=98-B=98=98- -B=98-B-B=98-B B=98-B-B-B=98- =98-B=98B=98B=98 =98B=98B-B=98B- =98=98B-B-B=98- =98=98=98B=98=98- =98=98=98B=98=98- Gavin. 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Smart quotes from Choices->Text. In general you'd map the problem character to , import, then map to what you wanted. But the smart quotes setting controls converting hyphens as well as sexy quotes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4FE9D2C7EB for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OpfcL-00042G-Nx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:00:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS - controlling text file import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gavin Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:59:50 +0100 Message-ID: <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FWAA2xQhh1MA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yKWUC6nu3wYHNu5favUA:9 a=l10B-5WDgP1Ul647xgIA:7 a=4rX8S-jpkCAg6gC7EsMI7oWfZDgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 a=YkEBctUFvRESTykL:21 a=njQCHOzDwgqD-ZZv:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Gavin Crawford > writes >>How do I control the conversion of characters when importing a text >>file? > Smart quotes from Choices->Text. > In general you'd map the problem character to , import, then > map to what you wanted. > But the smart quotes setting controls converting hyphens as well as sexy > quotes. Thanks David, I looked through the choices and was hoping to find something similar to the smart quotes option - I just didn't think switch it off and try it again. I wondered about mapping it to another character, but there is a whole load of text files to go through so I was looking for a swift option. I didn't think that it would be hard-coded into OPro, but I couldn't find any settings. The charts are Fair Isle knitting motifs, transcribed from 1920s and 1930s sweaters in the Shetland Museum Archive - another book I'm working on. I need to print out all the transcribed charts so I can study them and work out writing an app to decode them in colour drawfile graphics. Gavin. 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Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EEF2D2CA3F for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Opg8N-0006Ir-lX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:33:11 +0000 Message-ID: <7zOGuFCeUkeMFw+e@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:31:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS - controlling text file import References: <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail> In-Reply-To: <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-archive-position: 205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FWAA2xQhh1MA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2v46RMdBtH4VXsH2-vAA:9 a=m-ECLRI5TLHQ1IlsgTgA:7 a=SrefDycpF7TFDpHWfuIQCtc_jG4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 a=CUJYT5TgbVkRpWTs:21 a=9K5IdPvJH9Vyde0X:21 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2f7f594e51.Crawfords@mail>, Gavin Crawford writes >I wondered about mapping it to another character, but there is a whole >load of text files to go through so I was looking for a swift option. Obviously speed is the thing. As the fluff applet shows you can turn search and replace into a single key stroke. You'd also not be limited to a single character, the trick also works with character mapped to string. Another option (mentioned for general interest rather than you'd actually do this) is to write your own transloader filter, this amounts to a command line program with arguments that converts your own format into DDL. Somewhere I have a shell of Basic for processing command line arguments. Perhaps you could call it "de-bobbleiser" [1] Another option is to type everything as DDF (Impression's text mark up) and feed it in via the DDF filter. Text with no mark up is valid DDF. [1] Mac + knitting pun -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling