From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 1 12:00:36 2010 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with COPY id ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:12:44 +0000 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQbUv-3PTVbs-03-F4w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:00:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQbUv-3PTVbs-03-F4w; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:00:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQbUv-3PTVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:00:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQbUt-00070a-Nd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:00:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA190CC5E7E; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gabQYoXa3B-K; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F03A4CC575A; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5147CC5E3C for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qERHIe7TexMD for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DB90CC575A for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.136.153]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o01708Fi003010 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:00:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d2aa2303dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ih4ZQ5hMm_rxwJu2MK4A:9 a=sSKwF33qiLo0_uTToZEA:7 a=N2y-G6XdVVsdigeEUPvxiVYr9J8A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Wi4yac_Z4Ds-3HL2:21 a=9AuWoAi_euhyd0F-:21 In article <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > Dave Symes wrote on 31 Dec: > > ... showing the Font in all its glory. > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Illo.zip > Clive Bonsall wrote on 31 Dec : > > ... effTTT successfully translates the Orna font, but the RO font > > manager can't display it. > begs the question of whether this sort of thing (having seen the JPeg > illo of it from Dave Symes above) can really legitimately be called a > "font". why would anyone want to be able to type those characters > from a keyboard? surely they'd be handy enough as separate drawfiles. > did its perpetrators in PC-land do the designs as a font simply > because their poor benighted world lacks anything so universally handy > as our Draw? Jim, It is sometimes very handy to be able to illuminate a document you are creating, and having some graphics as a Font does make it easier & quicker. As a foot note... If anyone is interested in seeing the seven fonts I was attempting to convert, with each character as a Draw object, please ask and I'll Zip em' and put them up on the site. As I mentioned in an earlier posting Aspex Draw solved the problem, and I was able to convert to path, then Save as Drawfiles direct from the PC side. I guess Oak Draw might do similar, but it's not an app I'm familiar with. With regard to universally handy Draw, well I have to totally agree with that sentiment, but we shouldn't forget things like InkScape on the PC side, and even the Computer Concepts offering. (Can't remember its name ATM.) Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 1 12:30:35 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQgVs-2DMVbs-02-A3z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:30:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQgVs-2DMVbs-02-A3z; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:21:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQgVs-2DMVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:21:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQgVo-00042y-JV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:21:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BABCFCC5F76; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7OsdVk5x8fZF; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B33DECC51DC; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:21:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8301FCC58FC for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ETimchSF8oKc for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C42CCC51DC for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQgVX-0002kk-Wv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:21:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:19:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <50d2aa2303dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d2aa2303dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=8KcjTO9-yH0KYiLotqIA:7 a=BH_b4cvUMRgwWWERKWWsS1EIm_kA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=GSu8ghyewfuQxCjV:21 a=jTJ6nUfygMFNDu9D:21 Hi, In message <50d2aa2303dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >With regard to universally handy Draw, well I have to totally agree with >that sentiment, but we shouldn't forget things like InkScape on the PC >side, and even the Computer Concepts offering. (Can't remember its name >ATM.) Xara The Windows equivalent is meta file (wmf and emf) but it's not quite as good or as common a format (relative to the size of the platform). OTOH people attempted to enhance the Draw file format (Vantage) or replace it (ArtWorks), so the Windows situation may just be the sign of more development. Happy New Year! -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 1 16:00:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQjoN-1c4knw-05-FI0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:00:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQjoN-1c4knw-05-FI0; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQjoN-1c4knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQjoI-0004LB-UA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD7D2CC60CD; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G5r+0rCitk3o; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71A6CC570C; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 900E0CC5E36 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JbRLBIFsTu2i for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 230DDCC570C for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100101155250.EQZH17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:52:50 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100101155250.FOPE13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:52:50 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fusion 3, Windows 7, OPW and mouse speed problem To: David Pilling From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:42:11 GMT Message-ID: <8db8dad250.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=aUK7niYNwE0A:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=W7ppoViLWlwaGECXKJcA:9 a=mvDJoQ3y-2zUuIgf66pxucfUkt8A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=x2SAxAeGMfBYTWOG:21 a=-yvgWa19Lmz3xEkY:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BrwLyDyiuK4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=W7ppoViLWlwaGECXKJcA:9 a=UJtQ72pfap17W4TN_IoA:7 a=LKVls_xTi19PjsGzY78CGd89OhAA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=ELHrS08gHMEV_K9a:21 a=6qzvWk1SWlccMjJd:21 In message Clive Bonsall wrote: > I thought I had narrowed this down to a problem with VMware Fusion 3. > However, another user in Texas ran the OPW demo on an identical > hardware/software setup and reports: [snip] > "... everything works on Win7 x64." Is the 64 bit version of Windows 7 a difference from Clive's setup? Is Win 7 x64 running on 64 bit hardware or under VMWare Fusion 3? Does running the x64 version in VMware depend on 64 bit hardware underneath? 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([213.130.73.142]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm5275627fxm.8.2010.01.01.13.46.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:46:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3E6D1D.9090603@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:46:05 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fusion 3, Windows 7, OPW and mouse speed problem References: <8db8dad250.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8db8dad250.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BrwLyDyiuK4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=p2uIXpGS3y3fzoe89E0A:9 a=a1Fo7puyeWihcp1Ep-YA:7 a=ibHsoYBSLCsbYICXv9GEsDzAXp8A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> I thought I had narrowed this down to a problem with VMware Fusion 3. >> However, another user in Texas ran the OPW demo on an identical >> hardware/software setup and reports: > [snip] > >> "... everything works on Win7 x64." > > Is the 64 bit version of Windows 7 a difference from Clive's setup? No, I'm running Win7 x64 > Is Win 7 x64 running on 64 bit hardware or under VMWare Fusion 3? Does > running the x64 version in VMware depend on 64 bit hardware > underneath? Fusion 3 is running on a MacBook Pro with Intel core2duo processor and the latest version of MacOS X ... so all 64-bit capable/ebabled. For me ... the mouse problem with OPW is only apparent in Win7 under Fusion 3 (tho not for the Texas respondent, it seems). If I migrate the Win7 VM to Parallels Desktop (the rival virtualisation environment) then no mouse problem. So, something particular to my setup perhaps ... but what? -- C.B. 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(5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm6357293fxm.12.2010.01.05.01.43.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 01:43:38 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and copy/paste options Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:43:37 +0000 Message-Id: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> To: David Pilling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3jfAbONpNyQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1-0SN1tBiMmpGlayNecA:9 a=tZm8ovfNdq5bsD8kcc8A:7 a=Aw37M8wSpMK7hwX_m-Q59A2oqXUA:4 The Windows clipboard allows the copying of styled or formatted text = between applications ... even between Mac OS and Windows under = virtualisation. For example, this works between Apple Pages and WinWord = ... so that effects/styles (bold, italic, text size, text colour, etc) = are transferred from one application to the other via the clipboard. Unfortunately, OPW does not allow this -- the only PASTE option = available is . Is there any possibility that a "keep source formatting" option could be = added to OPW. In many situations it would obviate a or = option. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:15:00 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS70P-3zR000-06-FL8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:15:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS70P-3zR000-06-FL8; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS70P-3zR000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS70M-0002mA-PS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:51:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B46C5CC6954; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bp0DF3j7EVLs; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA067CC6728; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9847CC6835 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XOrNeDOsdWeP for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44C35CC66FF for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100105105051.QDYV17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:50:51 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100105105051.HQYO22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:50:51 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:50:42 GMT Message-ID: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=b00MaVdLeAJ75bzmpR4A:9 a=rdZOypkic7hTGgnAYnjH9puEOzgA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=b00MaVdLeAJ75bzmpR4A:9 a=l_DjEIFuq2oMtCc-RXEA:7 a=DWr5tNvrI3Ib7rf-iWnXlrzNB7UA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In message you wrote: Happy new year, I cant get the hang of high lighting part of a sentence on the OPro Windowa as I do in the Risc os version An example The Windows clipboard allows the copying of styled or formatted text between applications ... >even between Mac OS < and Windows under virtualisation. For example, this works between Apple Pages and WinWord . Between < & > high lighted on my Risc os but I only seem to be able to do a whole line or a paragraph on OProW. Sure I know it is me. 8-( Alan -- -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:15:00 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS79p-4Vi000-01-FBi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:15:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS79p-4Vi000-01-FBi; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:01:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS79p-4Vi000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:01:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS79m-0004IP-BB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:01:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B967CCC6A0B; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:00:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N4CBG3OOPVPS; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A199BCC6743; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:00:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78E5CCC6931 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:00:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Wp-lnd3OrpC for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20C5ECC6743 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so2402744eyg.22 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.23 with SMTP id t23mr23739195ebb.97.1262689239985; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm38906804eyx.38.2010.01.05.03.00.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:00:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:00:38 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aENJ_QQ7kjwhTXQN3tgA:9 a=HYMKdiPi2I26bimsNdwA:7 a=RBR7TKYnAOGkyRnr5Mqn3SaFfmkA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 On 5 Jan 2010, at 10:50, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message you wrote: >=20 > I cant get the hang of high lighting part of a sentence on the OPro > Windowa as I do in the Risc os version ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of the = bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, that = works for me, as does . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:29:56 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7OV-20Bknw-06-Ex2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:15:53 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100105111553.ZYOV2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:15:53 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:15:48 GMT Message-ID: <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=3_87mLmHYuIA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=krKt6bWVjXObfj39lPkA:9 a=qOAuatDNnS69b0B65tcA:7 a=0RH0XITLmjUANvIJ2v1kW3_tReYA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=krKt6bWVjXObfj39lPkA:9 a=DCRKkxixW9qm5pPebOcA:7 a=yOzqo4rRU35K-ZNQKVRapnKNEEEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In message Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 5 Jan 2010, at 10:50, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message you wrote: >> >> I cant get the hang of high lighting part of a sentence on the OPro >> Windowa as I do in the Risc os version > ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of > the bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, > that works for me, as does . Thanks Clive but I forgot to mention that the text is in a frame/box and when I at the beginning of the bit I want to highlight, at the end the first letter of the word produces a four point compass that the moves the frame. If I go to the second letter it works OK and drags along the words in the normal way. Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:29:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7UM-2ajknw-06-ErB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:29:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS7UM-2ajknw-06-ErB; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:22:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS7UM-2ajknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:22:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS7U7-0002b1-A3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:22:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83EE7CC6BDD; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:21:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SEYThWYzTg-i; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C642CCC6B7E; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:21:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5882ACC6B89 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:21:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3K8UzvuCZqv for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A80ECC6B7E for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NS7To-0000y0-iQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:21:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:20:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Zzfd_a4UQzN4nxf5VsoA:9 a=HMXn7XYDqzxBSePGKYkA:7 a=r76XwAwdShTcisb-7BVDBfnxbDEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=IFqnOlfOI1j8aLMC:21 a=kgGMW2ggsbppJyHO:21 In message , Clive Bonsall writes >ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of the >bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, that >works for me, as does . The best way of highlighting on Windows (works on RISC OS too with the relevant applet installed) is to hold down shift and use the cursor keys. All the other ways work too - double click, triple click, quadruple click. Click at the start, then right click or left click + SHIFT at the end - these last two can also be used to extend a marked area as can the shift+cursor feature. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:44:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7cc-2vtknw-01-Eiv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:44:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS7cc-2vtknw-01-Eiv; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:30:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS7cc-2vtknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:30:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS7cb-00077u-5s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:30:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2D49CC6D48; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:30:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id he5qMP39NG38; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA35ECC6A7D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B708CC6BEF for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EXUa2VFhBx4n for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52862CC6B1C for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NS7cJ-00034c-iN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:29:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PZJekoWqL00BXFgzJZIA:9 a=FiVqwUG-hFZRScIlhw4A:7 a=0qs5Q00f5UpVGDpR-P985WBMaB0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=zTJWPD3GWblaR5v8:21 a=UkMPqFtpt1RIOzYw:21 In message <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >The Windows clipboard allows the copying of styled or formatted text >between applications ... even between Mac OS and Windows under >virtualisation. For Windows clipboard supports multiple formats. At the moment OPW saves as OPW and text. What you would like, is for it to save as RTF, HTML, Word etc. or at least one of them, then styling information would appear in destination apps that support these formats. There is the question of how far things go, are we talking about just bold/italics or actual style names and things like leading, or enhanced justification. Adding this is easy enough, but its the usual problem of "what's the point". Not being contrary, but what I'd often find useful is "paste with no style". Windows apps. sometimes offer a standard paste dialogue which offers a choice of the formats on the clipboard e.g. wordpad "paste special". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:44:58 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7eg-0kzknw-02-Egr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:44:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS7eg-0kzknw-02-Egr; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:32:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS7eg-0kzknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:32:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS7ef-0004NI-R7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:32:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFA00CC6D4D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:32:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7iciS5STiPk2; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1501CCC6BEC; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:32:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF121CC6C51 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:32:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f6Wnwz3WFA12 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F2B3CC6BEC for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19049157ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.204 with SMTP id s12mr12643980ebb.69.1262691147543; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm13225828ewy.4.2010.01.05.03.32.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:32:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:32:25 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3A7EB3E3-59ED-4F31-85CA-75C3336DD1B6@ed.ac.uk> References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QTM4o7XLWJJWW5olTDoA:9 a=VDQcO-x6Okuh9A_djtcA:7 a=zFCj0cRk2Vo1Gcp6eKeEVYRJmpgA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 On 5 Jan 2010, at 11:15, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >=20 >> On 5 Jan 2010, at 10:50, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >=20 >>> In message you wrote: >>>=20 >>> I cant get the hang of high lighting part of a sentence on the OPro >>> Windowa as I do in the Risc os version >=20 >> ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of >> the bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, >> that works for me, as does . >=20 > Thanks Clive but I forgot to mention that the text is in a frame/box=20= > and when I at the beginning of the bit I want to=20 > highlight, at the end the first letter of the word=20 > produces a four point compass that the moves the frame. If I go to the=20= > second letter it works OK and drags along the words in the normal way. Do you have Text frame inset =3D 0 (Misc>Choices>Text), by any chance? = This makes text selection a little more difficult, but it should still = work with left/right click. You might also look at your Mouse settings = in Windows Control Panel -- Pointer options ... look at the and = settings.** Failing that, D.P. has provided chapter and verse. ** Now, there's a thought ... going back to the Windows 7/OPW/VMware = issue! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:44:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7fH-0a9000-03-EgG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:44:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS7fH-0a9000-03-EgG; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:33:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS7fH-0a9000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:33:00 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:32:55 GMT Message-ID: <813ed3d450.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=3_87mLmHYuIA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=uvKDbaFnEk-fQSzPP2EA:9 a=lP15q5ydoeK0RZV4sfkA:7 a=Rl99NhR2yxvvPDEI-w2avZYpTowA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=T2KYHAyMQF1EFLZS:21 a=CLXGZCcsz81lZrWF:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uvKDbaFnEk-fQSzPP2EA:9 a=oJQvtiVGQc3a5E9wF8IA:7 a=lNRGRNfqS7maDLDZyBsiezfLvdUA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=GqGWyP76jR3jZfjU:21 a=Ckib8vQ8mhfOKWSJ:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive > Bonsall writes >>ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of the >>bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, that >>works for me, as does . > The best way of highlighting on Windows (works on RISC OS too with the > relevant applet installed) is to hold down shift and use the cursor > keys. That is perfect for me, many thanks Alan > All the other ways work too - double click, triple click, quadruple > click. > Click at the start, then right click or left click + SHIFT at the end - > these last two can also be used to extend a marked area as can the > shift+cursor feature. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:44:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7jv-1gAknw-04-Ebc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:44:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS7jv-1gAknw-04-Ebc; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:38:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS7jv-1gAknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:38:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS7jr-0007gb-1t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:38:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B85A9CC6D69; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:38:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yb6Xd5HqvkAw; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D26B3CC6C51; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:37:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A98A2CC6D38 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:37:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d1T5a9+M4F36 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F7DACC6C51 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NS7jZ-0000Bh-Wf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:37:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:36:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ob643EUMYVM8nBaGqrgA:9 a=wP0eDAEATPT9wWk2EOYA:7 a=yst1ADI54fTz_750G0loCEfXoBoA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=aMfrXPJzd6mF8GWe:21 a=3HxAuBQJ6kPZYOuu:21 In message <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton writes >Thanks Clive but I forgot to mention that the text is in a frame/box >and when I at the beginning of the bit I want to >highlight, at the end the first letter of the word >produces a four point compass that the moves the frame. If I go to the >second letter it works OK and drags along the words in the normal way. The four point device means you're attempting to drag the frame. That says to me either right click + control, or too long a left click. A long left click on Windows starts a frame drag. I was never very happy about the long click concept (it appears in the RISC OS version too). You can adjust the time in Choices->View->Long click delay. It's even OK to turn it off, because there is an alternative in control+right drag. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 11:59:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS7yW-2zrknw-08-EN1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:59:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS7yW-2zrknw-08-EN1; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:53:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS7yW-2zrknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:53:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS7yQ-0000SF-MY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:53:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AD9BCC69B9; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:53:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69ZqC6YFqjMy; 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Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100105115259.TRFG17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:52:59 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100105115259.QSQ2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:52:59 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:52:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <4aadd1d450.alan@ntlworld.com> <3A7EB3E3-59ED-4F31-85CA-75C3336DD1B6@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3A7EB3E3-59ED-4F31-85CA-75C3336DD1B6@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=3_87mLmHYuIA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L4Ch1PWHJg0AeXvoabkA:9 a=E91f0C1wjUEjd-oBtPoA:7 a=nqFeYe4rMRuNrNbtyLJU4zHecYoA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=lnYl_UWhBfMPf3Bj:21 a=5ZClKztosdM5KoMZ:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L4Ch1PWHJg0AeXvoabkA:9 a=7ea-f4XzHxs5q3i_Lq4A:7 a=di7v79HxoYfSHFHLKlxe_hcXkV4A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=yuqMj4YuLTg6yAT_:21 a=D0y5xWpGIhTLvRf4:21 In message <3A7EB3E3-59ED-4F31-85CA-75C3336DD1B6@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 5 Jan 2010, at 11:15, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >> >>> On 5 Jan 2010, at 10:50, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> >>>> In message you wrote: >>>> >>>> I cant get the hang of high lighting part of a sentence on the OPro >>>> Windowa as I do in the Risc os version >> >>> ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of >>> the bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, >>> that works for me, as does . >> >> Thanks Clive but I forgot to mention that the text is in a frame/box >> and when I at the beginning of the bit I want to >> highlight, at the end the first letter of the word >> produces a four point compass that the moves the frame. If I go to the >> second letter it works OK and drags along the words in the normal way. > Do you have Text frame inset = 0 (Misc>Choices>Text), by any chance? > This makes text selection a little more difficult, but it should still > work with left/right click. You might also look at your Mouse settings > in Windows Control Panel -- Pointer options ... look at the > and settings.** > Failing that, D.P. has provided chapter and verse. Like the 7th Cavalry he always comes to the rescue! Thanks for your help Clive, Alan > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 12:14:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS89G-48lknw-07-ECH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:14:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS89G-48lknw-07-ECH; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:04:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS89G-48lknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:04:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS89C-000273-7Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:04:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAB2CCC6D75; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:04:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wZ0a9MgDGjjJ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D6DBCC6D58; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:04:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D54EACC6D65 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:04:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pswhIU9+9hYs for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B3B3CC6D58 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19078829ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.39.140 with SMTP id g12mr2709463ebe.83.1262693048035; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm13237882ewy.13.2010.01.05.04.04.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:04:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:04:06 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dFhLguekvZAc-87e7UQA:9 a=s2M6Px-3bcrImW20I_sA:7 a=GhYNB3ybr8ogDTZ0-YFX5B369qcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=wNJh4ydCOrtxfvcE:21 a=sQBQj30Ff4utCan8:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 11:29, David Pilling wrote: > In message <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall writes >> The Windows clipboard allows the copying of styled or formatted text = between applications ... even between Mac OS and Windows under = virtualisation. For >=20 > Windows clipboard supports multiple formats. At the moment OPW saves = as OPW and text. What you would like, is for it to save as RTF, HTML, = Word etc. or at least one of them, then styling information would appear = in destination apps that support these formats. >=20 > There is the question of how far things go, are we talking about just = bold/italics or actual style names and things like leading, or enhanced = justification. >=20 > Adding this is easy enough, but its the usual problem of "what's the = point". The "point" is that documents for typesetting in OPW are normally = presented to me as MSWORD files. Such documents frequently contain BOLD = and ITALIC styles/effects. They may also contain other formatting (e.g. = headings in a different font/font size ... in my experience, most = authors tend to apply these as "effects" using the button bar, rather = than as pre-defined styles). Currently, all formatting is lost when = pasting into OPW, and it's a real chore to have to put back all the = formatting manually ... especially in very long documents. Of course, I = could save the WORD files as RTF and import that into OPW, but (ISTR) = the translation isn't perfect and you end up with some legacy "styles" = ... tho' I haven't tried this recently. Being able to cut and paste text = from WORD files into OPW so that at least the BOLD and ITALICS are = retained, would make life a great deal easier. For preference, these = would appear in OPW as "effects", which (I assume) could be replaced = with pre-defined OPW styles using the SRWE applet ... again, I haven't = tried this. . > Not being contrary, but what I'd often find useful is "paste with no = style". Windows apps. sometimes offer a standard paste dialogue which = offers a choice of the formats on the clipboard e.g. wordpad "paste = special". Yes, I think that's what I'm asking for ... BOLD and ITALICS = (superscript, subscript, etc) as "effects", not as "styles". MSWORD 2007/2010 seems to offer THREE paste options: Keep source = formatting (K), Merge formatting (M), and Keep text only (T). The second = seems to do what I'm looking for -- B, I, superscript are preserved, but = not, e.g., font colour/size. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 12:14:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS8Ba-4Scknw-07-E9x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:14:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS8Ba-4Scknw-07-E9x; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:06:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS8Ba-4Scknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:06:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS8BW-00043e-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E76A5CC6D9D; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:06:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2TU67xg-d+yd; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E718ECC47D5; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:06:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9CEBCC6CDC for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:06:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0R-0v-N4vnWV for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E001CC47D5 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19081121ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.0.147 with SMTP id 19mr17270057ebb.86.1262693193416; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm13244673ewy.4.2010.01.05.04.06.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:06:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <813ed3d450.alan@ntlworld.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:06:31 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <813ed3d450.alan@ntlworld.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_Nn4E3vvE-qP70oJ8BsA:9 a=jFMroq4sN1XKAKP2dOoA:7 a=QJfFzvaB94YlL78rnAEpxPUkZLwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=-ga7s1p35U9XTpeB:21 a=C2XBaDj-dpZ155BC:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 11:32, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: >=20 >> In message , Clive >> Bonsall writes >>> ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of = the >>> bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, = that >>> works for me, as does . >=20 >> The best way of highlighting on Windows (works on RISC OS too with = the >> relevant applet installed) is to hold down shift and use the cursor >> keys. >=20 > That is perfect for me, many thanks Yes, but slow ... try on the first word (highlights = the word), then right click at the end of the selection. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 12:44:58 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS8dN-2q4Vbs-08-DiA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:35:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:33:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <813ed3d450.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=2Eq_VhD2d9UqLWQZTPsA:7 a=_oWO2-Sk5ofc0wsL6KSrBZvC3wUA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=WVwNOKg90zJ1j69b:21 a=btnpaXulNUr_mZdE:21 In message , Clive Bonsall writes >>> The best way of highlighting on Windows (works on RISC OS too with the >>> relevant applet installed) is to hold down shift and use the cursor >>> keys. >Yes, but slow ... try on the first word (highlights >the word), then right click at the end of the selection. The cursor key fast movement keys also work with shift highlighting. So say you want to mark a line, home then SHIFT+end -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm13265645ewy.13.2010.01.05.04.55.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:55:51 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:55:49 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <895568A0-1C1D-4039-9972-F28B0DF0AF81@ed.ac.uk> References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <813ed3d450.alan@ntlworld.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=O6AsLBSboBoJsB-c1wsA:9 a=IQtpsuyExpHwq_SHCVUA:7 a=aP5YCSLM60JlZigTJJHDZxuH2GMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 5 Jan 2010, at 12:33, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive = Bonsall writes >>>> The best way of highlighting on Windows (works on RISC OS too with = the >>>> relevant applet installed) is to hold down shift and use the cursor >>>> keys. >> Yes, but slow ... try on the first word = (highlights the word), then right click at the end of the selection. >=20 >=20 > The cursor key fast movement keys also work with shift highlighting. = So say you want to mark a line, home then SHIFT+end Good point. Alan's original email suggested he might want to highlight = part of a line/sentence, in which case at selection end = would seem the quickest option. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 13:15:15 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS99o-1VPGPo-08-DBj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:15:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS99o-1VPGPo-08-DBj; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:09:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS99o-1VPGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:08:44 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Word High lighting To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:08:17 GMT Message-ID: <98f9dbd450.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0061cfd450.alan@ntlworld.com> <813ed3d450.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=3_87mLmHYuIA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=RMFBqSZ25oWpfYnjysAA:9 a=R1BaEIKPzgnOt5QJsGwA:7 a=Bpzb0OKs1h_O5cIfySY9f8N9umMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=Fwws_rhBpeniRL6T:21 a=lFGOg8ysraAWUP2D:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IJ-5--q7-YMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sLBhWjFYgY3rGw5uYBUA:9 a=2EI6HnW8OB-9CkGWofEA:7 a=LbEJ9DZd13w3ZtCa-VZpGWioFX0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=wbFC3IumJlCgwmbD:21 a=-uZflByPEFhJStvQ:21 In message Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 5 Jan 2010, at 11:32, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> In message , Clive >>> Bonsall writes >>>> ISTR it's the same as in RISCOS -- at the beginning of the >>>> bit you want to highlight, at the end ... at least, that >>>> works for me, as does . >> >>> The best way of highlighting on Windows (works on RISC OS too with the >>> relevant applet installed) is to hold down shift and use the cursor >>> keys. >> >> That is perfect for me, many thanks > Yes, but slow ... try on the first word > (highlights the word), then right click at the end of the selection. Now that works a treat, Cheers Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 13:45:00 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS9Xr-0lb000-02-Cng.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:45:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS9Xr-0lb000-02-Cng; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:33:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS9Xr-0lb000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:33:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS9Xn-0002I7-PH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:33:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27D54CC6C9C; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:33:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hF6cUvpoC6Qq; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FC68CC6A85; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:33:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AD4DCC6C8D for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:33:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ppBothcJMcP1 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0D9ECC6A85 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so7429003fxm.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.132.203 with SMTP id c11mr14307411fat.27.1262698416346; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15sm28495093fkz.6.2010.01.05.05.33.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:33:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fusion 3, Windows 7, OPW and mouse speed problem From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <8db8dad250.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:33:33 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <501A5718-018B-41BB-BF9B-9D370AB6D66B@ed.ac.uk> References: <8db8dad250.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BrwLyDyiuK4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ypYOe3DK_Tdtq3JTllAA:9 a=Immu9bMDKbaP5IWC8GMA:7 a=iiqnlt_zj2BdSyH8lKmW0t5VITAA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 1 Jan 2010, at 15:42, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >> I thought I had narrowed this down to a problem with VMware Fusion 3. >> However, another user in Texas ran the OPW demo on an identical >> hardware/software setup and reports: > [snip] >=20 >> "... everything works on Win7 x64." >=20 > Is the 64 bit version of Windows 7 a difference from Clive's setup? Is=20= > Win 7 x64 running on 64 bit hardware or under VMWare Fusion 3? Does=20 > running the x64 version in VMware depend on 64 bit hardware=20 > underneath? Replying to an email in another thread this morning prompted me to check = the Windows mouse settings ... Windows 7/Fusion 3 ... I had Mouse properties>Pointer Options>Enhance = pointer precision TICKED. If that option is UNTICKED, then the slowdown = in drag speed within an OPW window is much less noticeable. Windows XP/Parallels Desktop ... the state of appears to make no difference to mouse drag speed (there is = no noticeable slowdown either way). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 14:00:09 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS9nq-2ZT000-04-CXh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:00:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS9nq-2ZT000-04-CXh; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:50:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS9nq-2ZT000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:50:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS9nm-0001ue-J9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:50:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 420FDCC6B76; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:50:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jcylRFWhT3p2; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 637CBCC6B44; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B6DFCC6B5C for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCB0tE41nFRU for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05B04CC6B44 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NS9nW-0001Kn-ga for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:50:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:49:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=exl5KL-9WtbcBrkmwS0A:9 a=HCUEX08NNSI66iIddyYA:7 a=vu8EGJ40gh2o1WvWWiqiuLLHrvAA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=tp7tsYtCHeqN9nFk:21 a=UPAr0hZ3mgserV61:21 In message <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >The "point" is that documents for typesetting in OPW are normally >presented Yes I understand this is a really useful feature. What I meant is that Ovation Pro, is on the same path as Kunzle cakes and Callard and Bowser's butterscotch. Well loved, but not by enough. However much of my limited time I put in, the project will not survive. It is perhaps a mistake to do nothing when you can only do a little, but that is the situation. I think the best thing would be for me to find something else to do, and OP to become an open source project, but I can't bring myself to give away all the years of work until I find something else. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 14:15:02 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NS9zx-3d6knw-05-CLa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:15:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NS9zx-3d6knw-05-CLa; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:03:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NS9zx-3d6knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:03:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NS9zv-0006Vo-DC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:03:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A17A0CC6D95; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gAnoEFUIyKXs; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8679CC6D48; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82A1ACC6CA6 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M48pYnpFWXR9 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8CAACC6D75 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100105140234.HFIQ17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:02:34 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100105140234.LDVR22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:02:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:02:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=8J0nTJ2sm_EA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=Q6IfPyAoWgJzVxR88UcA:9 a=_f0qJMqk5DmD1nKuO0QA:7 a=592_9DYUHvZDQm4SasuSJ-yVHW4A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=hFKaMCx2jmWAwrA4:21 a=yCwYd07J91vOHDhL:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Q6IfPyAoWgJzVxR88UcA:9 a=BftoDNw1NsZcXmXzEi8A:7 a=8fpOpWKQ7wPLjmU9nILfe0p9FacA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=Lv4AqhiUSs1FrXwC:21 a=7y4aSLZHuMai76sF:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk>, Clive > Bonsall writes >>The "point" is that documents for typesetting in OPW are normally >>presented > Yes I understand this is a really useful feature. > What I meant is that Ovation Pro, is on the same path as Kunzle cakes > and Callard and Bowser's butterscotch. Well loved, but not by enough. > However much of my limited time I put in, the project will not survive. > It is perhaps a mistake to do nothing when you can only do a little, but > that is the situation. > I think the best thing would be for me to find something else to do, and > OP to become an open source project, but I can't bring myself to give > away all the years of work until I find something else. I think many of us can understand. It must be so frustrating that one of the best DTP there is does not have the user base that it deserves, Alan (a fan) -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 15:30:09 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSBKG-05nGPo-01-B1H.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:30:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSBKG-05nGPo-01-B1H; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:28:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSBKG-05nGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:28:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSBKB-0001Kv-HM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:28:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFE67CC6839; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qGvIJoio2rWQ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D09ECC652C; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17B96CC686C for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U5g1OwMxzq2r for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3891CC652C for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19292239ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.109.75 with SMTP id i11mr5945893ebp.68.1262705262424; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm13326930ewy.14.2010.01.05.07.27.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:27:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:27:40 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1PhGN7ctCH2k5dlFBdwA:9 a=7SAyo2StAALyCZHPFgYA:7 a=1F96B6bnzRNRHrR37hq6G23vPWoA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=ailxIEPz7o5qNYio:21 a=f-O8EURixLiVsRad:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 13:49, David Pilling wrote: > In message <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall writes >> The "point" is that documents for typesetting in OPW are normally = presented >=20 > Yes I understand this is a really useful feature. >=20 > What I meant is that Ovation Pro, is on the same path as Kunzle cakes = and Callard and Bowser's butterscotch. Well loved, but not by enough. >=20 > However much of my limited time I put in, the project will not = survive. It is perhaps a mistake to do nothing when you can only do a = little, but that is the situation. >=20 > I think the best thing would be for me to find something else to do, = and OP to become an open source project, but I can't bring myself to = give away all the years of work until I find something else. I can sympathise with everything you say. But when you say "the project = will not survive", how do you define "survival" ... purely in terms of = the number of users? Presumably, new users would have to be converts from other software. At = a guess, most current users of OPW have migrated from the RISCOS = version. Attracting converts from WINWORD will always be an uphill = struggle, the more so since OPW lacks certain industry standard = functionality -- e.g. copy/paste options, save as Word/RTF, Table = generator. Converting Mac or Linux users (with an inbuilt hatred of = Windows) might have been easier, but the same limitations apply. I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would = benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students when = writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen = produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it = contains pictures ... and I often recommend my students to try OPW. But = the constraints are those I've listed above + COST -- altho' the full = commercial price of MSWORD is much greater than OPW, students (and = staff) get their software free or at educational prices, e.g. the = educational price for the entire Office (Ultimate) 2007 suite is =A338.95.= Just like banking ... catch 'em young, and the chances are you've got = them for life! Even if they later migrate from Windows to Mac OS, = probably they will still use MSWORD in preference to Apple software like = Pages ... not because it's better or easier to use (which it isn't), but = because it works and they are familiar with it (i.e they have invested = more than money). Would the same philosophy work for OPW (very low starting price + charge = for major upgrades)? I don't know. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 17:07:30 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSBa2-2ETGPo-06-AlV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:07:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSBa2-2ETGPo-06-AlV; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:44:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSBa2-2ETGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:44:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSBZz-0000Xa-Fm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:44:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141D2CC6EA2; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:44:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UMiwUBAtjANR; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 065D8CC698A; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D85E3CC6BD7 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O3Ae4qdS+FyV for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93013CC698A for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSBZh-0006Vk-ZZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:44:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:43:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Message-ID: <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8wwuM7PPFFL1W7wuNrgA:9 a=o5prFp9hV5gAsPuZ0LEA:7 a=nxV5VerTC-ByJ1kXfAVlmSKhCxUA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=KyitB--hyxBO9AcQ:21 a=0zPL0apaMDGgcl8u:21 In article <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would > benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students when > writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen > produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it > contains pictures ... You are comparing apples with pears. MS Word is a "Word Processor"; OPW is DTP software. One of the major differences between the two types of program is the ability (or lack of it) to handle pictures. The comparison should be with MS Publisher - which I, personally, find very difficult to use - which I have to sometimes when I get sent unfinished work in that format. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 17:52:31 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSDGj-32tVbs-05-94o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:52:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSDGj-32tVbs-05-94o; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:32:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSDGj-32tVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:32:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSDGe-000055-6O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:32:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C9B4CC69B6; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:32:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dRyWlYiHayqW; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00F2CCC67F2; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C55F9CC6918 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f8MtlUgiHfMc for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAB0CCC68B3 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19426502ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.42.81 with SMTP id r17mr8929663ebe.3.1262712727741; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm45931357eyf.2.2010.01.05.09.32.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:32:07 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:32:05 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4AAAB8E1-ECAF-4108-9906-30124ACE8BDB@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_8FNbcWN4BM86jX_Ir0A:9 a=dQBg0Yfg6sf0EL4p8ooA:7 a=QSMHI4fuExODh5-KYLhwNTVupdcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=K8LoIRe6ZT6Udm9O:21 a=c4e7piN_aeJseaRD:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 15:43, charles wrote: > In article <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall > wrote: >=20 >=20 >> I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would >> benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students = when >> writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen >> produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it >> contains pictures ... >=20 > You are comparing apples with pears. >=20 > MS Word is a "Word Processor"; OPW is DTP software. One of the major > differences between the two types of program is the ability (or lack = of it) > to handle pictures. The beauty of OPW is that it is both a DTP program and a word processor. = But up against WORD it would not win many converts outside the RISCOS = community because of the lack of certain basic features that would allow = files to be moved easily between applications on different platforms. Up = against MS Publisher a major disadvantage is pricing ... Publisher comes = as part of Office Ultimate 2007 -- along with Access, Excel, PowerPoint, = Word, and several other applications -- all for the educational price of = =A338.95. Microsoft isn't making any money out of its student offers, but it's = creating a captive market. > The comparison should be with MS Publisher - which I, personally, find = very > difficult to use - which I have to sometimes when I get sent = unfinished > work in that format. "Personally" is the key ... it's a matter of what one gets used to. The = more difficult something is to learn, the more likely you are to stick = with it once you've learned how to use it effectively. Moreover, = Publisher will at least import MSWORD documents and supports PASTE WITH = FORMATTING ... both of which (but the latter especially), in my view, = are crucial for winning converts to OPW. Just to reinforce this point ... a software tool used increasingly by = students/academics (in my experience) is that for creating and managing = bibliographies, e.g. EndNote -- which, again, costs next-to-nothing = under academic licence. I suspect OPW would be of little interest to = EndNote users (or devotees of any academic reference manager) without = the ability to . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 18:22:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSDrS-0zHVbs-02-H0b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:22:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSDrS-0zHVbs-02-H0b; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:10:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSDrS-0zHVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:10:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSDrP-0007av-6W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate7.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate7.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.16]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06736CC69A4 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate7.iss.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate7.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o05IA423005600 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:10:04 GMT Received: from UOS-MSG00010-SI.soton.ac.uk (uos-msg00010-si.soton.ac.uk [152.78.119.33]) by mailgate7.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate7.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.16]) envelope-from with ESMTP id m04IA42442219219Jk ret-id none; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:10:04 +0000 Received: from [152.78.161.11] (152.78.161.11) by smtp.soton.ac.uk (152.78.119.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.1; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:10:04 +0000 Message-ID: <4B43807C.7000206@soton.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:10:04 +0000 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-smtpf-Report: client=relay,white,ipv6; mail=; rcpt= X-UOS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-UOS-MailScanner-ID: o05IA423005600 X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: X-archive-position: 2124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jrSdtXA8PLS2rRElgfMA:9 a=r-lqjv6QfOMypXSsTDwA:7 a=7sFEYq7ykG7DDXu8RM_L8GWQmIQA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=QZc--DpTNO_Ckh_g:21 a=D1s0tSlJvoEBD7ee:21 charles wrote: > In article <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > wrote: > > >> I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would >> benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students when >> writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen >> produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it >> contains pictures ... > > You are comparing apples with pears. > > MS Word is a "Word Processor"; OPW is DTP software. The difference is, however, lost on your average user. The majority of dissertations and theses are done with Word because that's what everyone thinks of when they have a lot to type. There wasn't a chance in hell I was going to use Word for mine, but most universities now insist on an electronic copy for plagiarism checks and OPro files probably won't be accepted. MattLB To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 18:37:37 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSE75-0AwGPo-06-Gky.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:37:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSE75-0AwGPo-06-Gky; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSE75-0AwGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSE73-0001Db-Qh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2144ACC6B47; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:26:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UHaREfaBIdxZ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F38CCC5CE6; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CC40CC3D43 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gJQ+lvTIVP1p for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DF5DCC6AC4 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 13:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-13-243-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.13.243]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LsMbE-1Nuncc0ofo-0128ic; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:26:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:25:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lRyfFrvlIW0uzdWjDKkHIu9mViyPwi9FHLwA C9PwwKLTr0nU/8ZYc7zCelulFoXmXZcQQEx8SektiGa8Xi2Gt+ WU+qgLqRNQfEU6IsJbhCQ== X-archive-position: 2125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jrSdtXA8PLS2rRElgfMA:9 a=m8_CzK2dhqn6bIvBhIMA:7 a=IVZp1oUNBAR573EQP_84HVr29DgA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=2iEnXuVu_IrOhnrP:21 a=fMPTsWFJO4i-sDKZ:21 In message <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > wrote: >> I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would >> benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students when >> writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen >> produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it >> contains pictures ... > You are comparing apples with pears. > MS Word is a "Word Processor"; OPW is DTP software. One of the major > differences between the two types of program is the ability (or lack of it) > to handle pictures. Not quite. Handling pictures is a core feature of a word processor. The key difference is whether you can position text or a picture manually at a particular position on a particular page. If you write a large structured document, this is the last thing you want to do. Instead, you want the software to take care of the layout and you want all content to flow. For something like a disseration a word processor is about 100 times more useful than a DTP program. Of course, that does not mean that Word would be a better choice than OP, though many would say that the lack of tables immediately rules out OP (and utilities like TableMate do not help here - for serious use, tables need to be able to span many pages and rows need to be able to flow between pages). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 20:52:37 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSGC8-18U000-02-Efv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:52:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSGC8-18U000-02-Efv; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:40:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSGC8-18U000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:40:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSGC0-0002Le-MX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:40:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7BA6CC6FE1; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3EVZa3EIahX; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01687CC6DA2; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:39:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6CFBCC6DA9 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1IuhLF229MB for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D6D8CC6DA2 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19625374ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.42.211 with SMTP id t19mr5712127ebe.10.1262723974427; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm13571050ewy.12.2010.01.05.12.39.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:39:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <4B43807C.7000206@soton.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:39:31 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <877376BC-0365-4449-809B-02F238687B77@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4B43807C.7000206@soton.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2SgkMieKV8uAdNivXL4A:9 a=gU0ZTKcNd264PlSA3CkA:7 a=k4Uv7WqNEWv3JU6WrMM81fPrtmEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=E-IYjQyRS0shQUOx:21 a=8gEoNXVxoC8IN1YQ:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 18:10, M.Bellamy wrote: > charles wrote: >> In article <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall >> wrote: >>> I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would >>> benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students = when >>> writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen >>> produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it >>> contains pictures ... >> You are comparing apples with pears. >> MS Word is a "Word Processor"; OPW is DTP software. >=20 > The difference is, however, lost on your average user. The majority of = dissertations and theses are done with Word because that's what everyone = thinks of when they have a lot to type. ... or, in the case of my own university, because WORD is available on = every university-owned computer as part of a global "managed desktop" = system, which is why it's important (here) for any text processor to be = able to interface with MSWORD. > There wasn't a chance in hell I was going to use Word for mine, but = most universities now insist on an electronic copy for plagiarism checks = and OPro files probably won't be accepted. True, but PDF would ... and OPW will interface with any PDF maker. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 21:22:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSGi4-0Npknw-01-E9z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:22:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSGi4-0Npknw-01-E9z; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:13:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSGi4-0Npknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:13:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSGhv-0003l6-RH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:13:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B45E1CC6FDF; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:12:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dY5eytUKPjjH; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B03D6CC6F9B; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B939CC6F98 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BF0ykNbJzpum for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECCDECC6E4D for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so19660937ewy.26 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.90.15 with SMTP id d15mr1823187wef.219.1262725952822; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm51850725gvf.28.2010.01.05.13.12.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:12:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:12:30 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EY-lyPj8ab-To0Wn_VoA:9 a=GZXXFFf_K--O0IxN0OYA:7 a=l-2zm_QKd8vZFSPtuTkXD568wGIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=ptIWrSUI2VZKI-d2:21 a=2yJzr4QYP63RA-PS:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 18:25, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> > charles wrote: >=20 >> In article <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk>, Clive = Bonsall >> wrote: >=20 >>> I'm a university teacher, and I often think the main group who would >>> benefit from OPW are final year undergraduate and postgrad students = when >>> writing their dissertations. Virtually every dissertation I've seen >>> produced in MSWORD is a presentational disaster, especially when it >>> contains pictures ... >=20 >> You are comparing apples with pears. >=20 >> MS Word is a "Word Processor"; OPW is DTP software. One of the major >> differences between the two types of program is the ability (or lack = of it) >> to handle pictures. >=20 > Not quite. Handling pictures is a core feature of a word processor.=20 > The key difference is whether you can position text or a picture=20 > manually at a particular position on a particular page. If you write a=20= > large structured document, this is the last thing you want to do.=20 > Instead, you want the software to take care of the layout and you want=20= > all content to flow. A fair point -- but to get WORD to do what I want with pictures seems to = require a level of expertise that I have failed to acquire, even tho' I = use the software daily. Similarly, most of my students have only a basic = knowledge of WORD, which is why they get into a formatting mess when = trying to incorporate pictures into essays and dissertations. The safe = option is to add the pictures at the end ... in which situation OP(W) = has the advantage (my opinion, of course). > For something like a disseration a word processor is about 100 times=20= > more useful than a DTP program. Of course, that does not mean that=20 > Word would be a better choice than OP, though many would say that the=20= > lack of tables immediately rules out OP (and utilities like TableMate=20= > do not help here - for serious use, tables need to be able to span=20 > many pages and rows need to be able to flow between pages). Lack of tables is a limitation, for sure. But it's relatively easily = overcome by using grouped frames (more time consuming in most = situations, admittedly); so, I don't think it rules out OP for producing = dissertations. In a sense, a dissertation is no different than a book -- = and I've produced two books using DTP software, one with Impression and = the other with OPW, both containing many tables and pictures. In each = case, what would have saved me most time is not a table generator, but = from MSWORD. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 22:08:17 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSHIj-4Lh000-07-DZK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:08:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSHIj-4Lh000-07-DZK; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:50:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSHIj-4Lh000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:50:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSHIf-0004u6-6Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:50:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B367CCC6DA1; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:50:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CBv9-u0SMIL3; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D45FECC713F; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:50:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0642CC7141 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:50:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L2o-Yzq118fP for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A4E5CC713F for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSHIN-0005JN-bR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:50:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:48:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=44PBLJ9HIDK7DnbvkEEA:7 a=UZ1PlMvfFBNUzN44b5hiUyh4DiQA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=dPK0RpefHbXXR1mX:21 a=Fpn6RPe7KkEp-MfV:21 In message , Clive Bonsall writes >is not a table generator, but from MSWORD. I've got the message... I've been aware of the possibility of copying different formats via the clipboard for a long time, my idea was to use the existing filter system - automatically. Adding the code inside OPW to do this is probably simple, but RTF/MSWORD filters are something that I have failed to do in the past. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 5 22:38:17 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSHuG-1UDknw-02-Cxn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:38:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSHuG-1UDknw-02-Cxn; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:29:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSHuG-1UDknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:29:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSHuC-00031M-Qk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:29:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37662CC3504; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:29:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eqjr85vtl4iS; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04648CC348F; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:29:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCDA9CC3504 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:29:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ev66quYp47ED for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72524CC348F for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so2560623eyg.22 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.1.23 with SMTP id 23mr5465567ebd.71.1262730557917; Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm411692eyh.24.2010.01.05.14.29.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:29:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:29:14 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <03461208-43DE-4434-ACA6-207D200D9138@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a0K8ZpDSi5UaBavIDG0A:9 a=OIqY94QSak7J1libI2EA:7 a=UGR4UQ_YJiyOyyClAkSDuOguSD8A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 5 Jan 2010, at 21:48, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive = Bonsall writes >> is not a table generator, but from MSWORD. >=20 > I've got the message... >=20 > I've been aware of the possibility of copying different formats via = the clipboard for a long time, my idea was to use the existing filter = system - automatically. >=20 > Adding the code inside OPW to do this is probably simple, but = RTF/MSWORD filters are something that I have failed to do in the past. That's great news, thanks. I'll be happy to help with beta-testing. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 11:56:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSLSk-2U3GPo-06-9PJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSLSk-2U3GPo-06-9PJ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:17:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSLSk-2U3GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:17:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSLSi-0002CL-Lb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:17:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0D86CC6EDB; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1XKITc6VIvgG; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C519FCC4287; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EE2DCC47A3 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3jGnUIhZCQP for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DB5BCC4296 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14971 invoked by uid 89); 6 Jan 2010 02:17:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 6 Jan 2010 02:17:02 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:22:10 +0800 Message-ID: <58e4144d52.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <03461208-43DE-4434-ACA6-207D200D9138@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <03461208-43DE-4434-ACA6-207D200D9138@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zyGWMG3GxGeZaeNczrEA:9 a=dYHinvAhu7AC4-ubSdIA:7 a=2x3gxBo8LcOU2SINVVcASGsaH7AA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=jPXeo8bRoAOY9dzk:21 a=E3A93WqYkeR9Evl1:21 In message <03461208-43DE-4434-ACA6-207D200D9138@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 5 Jan 2010, at 21:48, David Pilling wrote: >> In message , Clive >> Bonsall writes >>> is not a table generator, but from MSWORD. >> >> I've got the message... >> >> I've been aware of the possibility of copying different formats via >> the clipboard for a long time, my idea was to use the existing filter >> system - automatically. >> >> Adding the code inside OPW to do this is probably simple, but >> RTF/MSWORD filters are something that I have failed to do in the past. > That's great news, thanks. I'll be happy to help with beta-testing. A feature such as that would be used by us and we would be willing to pay for such an upgrade! -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 11:56:33 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSTIc-0yC000-04-A5x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:56:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSTIc-0yC000-04-A5x; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:39:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSTIc-0yC000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:39:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSTIb-0006Oy-3N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:39:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B5B4CC6235; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:39:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PAY1zkwBYD5p; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0944FCC4A96; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:39:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7493CC4AAE for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:39:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L+tCUkbWKxPC for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9ADAFCC4A96 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124] helo=[10.0.0.4]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSTIF-0001Of-eY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:39:11 +0000 Message-Id: From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:39:09 +0000 References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-archive-position: 2131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1wgM2_CeXyG-WeOjACcA:9 a=uyyFZHyavLSKKBKEG4YA:7 a=3lzW4XALDx9GOajzDqb8Uze9bLkA:4 a=evUBKtqLuPUXlL7_:21 a=Se2Knh59xbPi5lW7:21 On 5 Jan 2010, at 18:25, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Handling pictures is a core feature of a word processor. Only if you ignore the historical perspective. Your comment makes no sense to the user of LocoScript on an Amstrad machine. That fact shows that your definition of Word processor has significantly change over (a very short period of) time. In the early 90s there were word processors and publishing programs - with the latter using the output of the former to merge words and pictures. At the time Acorn machines brought the remarkable revolution of applications (EasiWriter & Ovation) that remarkably were both wp and dtp programs at one and the same time. Letting the definition of word processor slide over time aids confusion and helps hide that remarkable revolution. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 11:56:33 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSTYb-2ZTknw-05-9py.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:56:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSTYb-2ZTknw-05-9py; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:56:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSTYb-2ZTknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:56:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSTYT-0007TF-Nl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:56:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AF7BCC66B7; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3MYpxJVmCKu; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 046E7CC65B6; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4CC9CC65B9 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zf6xxttRWiWj for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80595CC65B6 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NSTYB-0007fV-0W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:55:39 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NSTYA-0005ky-F9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:55:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:55:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Message-ID: <50d553b043john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9-hA7DBUOOuqMStBZywA:9 a=JjKsEVsqOtpXjWWuQtEA:7 a=1JcASy_z3uQD5U_0G8i5M2UkJ24A:4 a=J33lAVg4B95b_SzM:21 a=12d0amRaRJjQSzvP:21 I can see this developing into one of those online battles that benefit no-one, so let me try to be helpful before that happens... In article , John Cartmell wrote: > On 5 Jan 2010, at 18:25, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Handling pictures is a core feature of a word processor. > Only if you ignore the historical perspective. To be fair, Martin did write *is" a core feature, not *always has been*. > Your comment makes no sense to the user of LocoScript on an Amstrad > machine. That fact shows that your definition of Word processor has > significantly change over (a very short period of) time. Yes, and the clue is in the name "word processor" -- which is why Computer Concepts called their Impression app a "document processor", which was a sensible update of the concept for those times. > In the early 90s there were word processors and publishing programs - > with the latter using the output of the former to merge words and > pictures. At the time Acorn machines brought the remarkable revolution > of applications (EasiWriter & Ovation) that remarkably were both wp and > dtp programs at one and the same time. Absolutely! We were a major force in updating that outmoded separated concept into a sensible, but not excessively memory or disk space hungry modern application. Thank you for reminding us (and advising those new to our computing world) of that advance. > Letting the definition of word processor slide over time aids confusion > and helps hide that remarkable revolution. Actually, probably not, as the methodologies are different, as has again come out on the mailing lists during the past day or so. The specific contrast of writing a dissertation or laying out a magazine does make the distinction between the tools aimed at those differing tasks clear. Some of us have been involved in only one or other of those tasks (though my progressing first novel is broadening me out in this respect) so can easily be forgiven for not necessarily immediately appreciating that contrast. We are all still learning and growing! Thus, I accept the modern version of the distinction between word processors that, in accordance with today's expectations, handle embedded images and the like, and full-blown publishing/layout-driven packages, yet not forgetting how these categories operated in the past. We do not live in that past, but can at least appreciate and recognise it in seeing how we got to where we are today. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 14:11:23 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSWXG-15tknw-02-FNp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:11:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSWXG-15tknw-02-FNp; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:06:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSWXG-15tknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:06:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSWXF-0003YF-DG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E56B8CC7564; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gayg6J6zXwJX; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BFF5CC753E; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13FD7CC7543 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BKPhylkwSDXS for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D03AECC753E for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSWWx-0007Vo-Yn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:06:35 +0000 Message-ID: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:05:07 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_oZp6MA9MWEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lLYG5wx5n5kbxUttq9sA:9 a=mRljuNlywKUKjjfV17kA:7 a=CpTGxvLgVZBBYhCLJIIs9dYuPOsA:4 a=HOyF6VuOsV6tDcKU:21 a=VmCm2yKu8lY9yPjd:21 Hi, It's come to light that there is a bug in both the Windows and RISC OS version of Ovation Pro - if a line of text is split in to more than 32 pieces by other objects memory corruption can occur. This is probably a rare event, so don't rush to upgrade. However a fix is available: New RISC OS version: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip New Windows version: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 14:56:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSXF2-18GGPo-05-Eg3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:56:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSXF2-18GGPo-05-Eg3; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:52:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSXF2-18GGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:52:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSXEy-0003QI-Hq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:52:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CF8ACC6FBD; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:51:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W6fRLMNvn5om; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F4C1CC701D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35CDFCC56DA for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21Hviq1OrZbm for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF0BCCC701D for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o06EpU5F000787 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:51:31 GMT Received: from UOS-MSG00012-SI.soton.ac.uk (uos-msg00012-si.soton.ac.uk [152.78.119.35]) by mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.11]) envelope-from with ESMTP id m05EpU1461410921Y5 ret-id none; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:51:31 +0000 Received: from [152.78.161.11] (152.78.161.11) by smtp.soton.ac.uk (152.78.119.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.1; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:51:10 +0000 Message-ID: <4B44A35E.1090402@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:51:10 +0000 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4B43807C.7000206@soton.ac.uk> <877376BC-0365-4449-809B-02F238687B77@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <877376BC-0365-4449-809B-02F238687B77@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-smtpf-Report: client=relay,white,ipv6; mail=; rcpt= X-UOS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-UOS-MailScanner-ID: o06EpU5F000787 X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: X-archive-position: 2134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LQA9cVJ_XgU42X48yZEA:9 a=6SZPPGtmGAB7IlQGOXEA:7 a=b4iIaiLIFtmncdAUrrJQQRNMJrMA:4 Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 5 Jan 2010, at 18:10, M.Bellamy wrote: >>> You are comparing apples with pears. MS Word is a "Word >>> Processor"; OPW is DTP software. >> The difference is, however, lost on your average user. The majority >> of dissertations and theses are done with Word because that's what >> everyone thinks of when they have a lot to type. > > ... or, in the case of my own university, because WORD is available > on every university-owned computer as part of a global "managed > desktop" system Yes, we've got one of those. Still running Word 2003, which is fun when all the students have Word 2007 on their laptops. >> There wasn't a chance in hell I was going to use Word for mine, but >> most universities now insist on an electronic copy for plagiarism >> checks and OPro files probably won't be accepted. > > True, but PDF would ... and OPW will interface with any PDF maker. This is the route I went, converting pages with images to pdfs that I then printed off on a PC (OPro was the RISC OS version). I dare say conversion to pdf goes smoother from OPW than from Word based on some of the attempts I've seen that started as Word files. MattLB To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 14:56:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSXGc-1IBGPo-05-EeT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:56:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSXGc-1IBGPo-05-EeT; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:53:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSXGc-1IBGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:53:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSXGa-0002n3-9w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:53:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C891ACC701D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:53:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id THOqhogxT5by; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0E38CC573D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FC04CC6FD1 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ApvtxHMuHKqM for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43016CC6430 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id o06ErHkF001484 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:53:17 GMT Received: from UOS-MSG00012-SI.soton.ac.uk (uos-msg00012-si.soton.ac.uk [152.78.119.35]) by mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate6.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.11]) envelope-from with ESMTP id m05ErH1461410965Ov ret-id none; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:53:17 +0000 Received: from [152.78.161.11] (152.78.161.11) by smtp.soton.ac.uk (152.78.119.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.393.1; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:53:16 +0000 Message-ID: <4B44A3DC.5050605@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:53:16 +0000 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-smtpf-Report: client=relay,white,ipv6; mail=; rcpt= X-UOS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-UOS-MailScanner-ID: o06ErHkF001484 X-UOS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UOS-MailScanner-From: X-archive-position: 2135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=N7ldq-n-HtMjh_pUrHIA:9 a=2EILd5NZzuBDqv1IjyYA:7 a=tlsSCp0UoX7uWvUz4gM4TSpWXOkA:4 a=P5Gf8Y-6DvZ3uEQ9:21 a=x5LgJX3cS9OOSEaY:21 Clive Bonsall wrote: > A fair point -- but to get WORD to do what I want with pictures seems > to require a level of expertise that I have failed to acquire, even > tho' I use the software daily. Similarly, most of my students have > only a basic knowledge of WORD, which is why they get into a > formatting mess when trying to incorporate pictures into essays and > dissertations. The safe option is to add the pictures at the end ... > in which situation OP(W) has the advantage (my opinion, of course). If you use textboxes in Word it's the closest thing to frames in OPW. Despite their name you can drop pictures in them. MattLB To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 15:11:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSXLP-1YyVbs-02-EZg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:11:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSXLP-1YyVbs-02-EZg; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:58:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSXLP-1YyVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:58:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSXLM-0004BT-QK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:58:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6DBDCC753C; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:58:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yUq5Kb9MtNRb; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00892CC701D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D081DCC7526 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ly+cjFW8EFL for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61F3BCC701D for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100106145822.BSXW27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:58:22 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100106145822.WLYR21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:58:22 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:57:41 GMT Message-ID: References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=YL8XhHyr3gcA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=kShy2PryGbmu9PSOIhUA:9 a=RE4ou0iaSoaAVyajkWbF_wZadCwA:4 a=qEnMtSKlaY0Qe9oa:21 a=V98cACELloN7qtMb:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kShy2PryGbmu9PSOIhUA:9 a=AchMjlHQQdn0n9rXRZkA:7 a=yCkGwLpuQMnABbW-z-CX3vEsb1oA:4 a=NweK3x5EAzY4wSpn:21 a=uGmCWiNoFUMabazk:21 In message <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > It's come to light that there is a bug in both the Windows and RISC OS > version of Ovation Pro - if a line of text is split in to more than 32 > pieces by other objects memory corruption can occur. > This is probably a rare event, so don't rush to upgrade. However a fix > is available: > New RISC OS version: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > New Windows version: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe I cant find OPCA to update it! Help Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 15:26:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSXlU-2K2GPo-03-E9b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:26:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSXlU-2K2GPo-03-E9b; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:25:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSXlU-2K2GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:25:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSXlR-0000km-Tb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:25:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36670CC75BD; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:25:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7pVFvGXbkREp; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 799CDCC6E72; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51186CC7596 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GflRp5cETNbF for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19FAACC6E72 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124] helo=[10.0.0.4]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSXlA-0004NT-mN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:25:21 +0000 Message-Id: <78F422DA-7E25-436A-AA8F-EC9A0BACB39F@cartmell.demon.co.uk> From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <50d553b043john@acornusers.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:25:20 +0000 References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d553b043john@acornusers.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-archive-position: 2137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3eEFMUjSUm8dAihNtocA:9 a=se31s__x7aSG5OHIoVUA:7 a=c3DrLlPBOcM4kzI-yPD6duIMvu4A:4 On 6 Jan 2010, at 10:55, John M Ward wrote: > We do not live in that past, but can at least appreciate and > recognise it > in seeing how we got to where we are today. Words. There is a nice* distinction between the awful* word processor that is TechWriter and the likes of (the far less awful*) LocoScript. That word changes matter is obvious to those that look up what the starred words meant a century or so ago (and are meant to mean here!). Over a couple of centuries the changes matter only to pedants and those confused by descriptions in old quotations, but IT terms seem to change within a decade or less and it is well worth making an occasional song and dance about it in order to make the matter known to those new or forgetful. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 16:11:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSYFk-2wYGPo-08-DfL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:11:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSYFk-2wYGPo-08-DfL; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:56:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSYFk-2wYGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:56:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSYFh-00048t-Tr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:56:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31C25CC6E7A; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qx2mhSDn2RPK; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 661A8CC5F44; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F2ACCC5F73 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VoWmGxZREdrA for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03938CC5F44 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSYFR-0006lA-jq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:56:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:55:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=0BVjOHN5qg1YdQx3Qz8A:7 a=YSa0SaDbQFUL5sHVqlQrg2I4FEQA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=aAqQ5W4AlHNb8rL9:21 a=Zp6Ht69xyTAlQU27:21 Hi, In message , Dr Alan Leighton writes >I cant find OPCA to update it! In that case I would not bother. OPCA is ancient, and in the unlikely event that you use it, you will have updated it long ago. I presume this is because the latest version in common with all post 26 bits mentions that applets have to be 32 bit versions - well yes, but you only have to do the update once, and you probably did it in 2003. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 17:26:30 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSZSx-2O6knw-08-CS8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:26:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSZSx-2O6knw-08-CS8; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:14:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSZSx-2O6knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:14:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSZSu-00011S-1G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:14:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1AF0CC765A; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nUzfZMG8+7Tn; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6038CC7540; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C10BCCC763F for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ERM5o1bE8aI9 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F889CC7540 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100106171417.BBFE17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:14:17 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100106171417.UNJO13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:14:17 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:14:09 GMT Message-ID: <105276d550.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=dtZPm8orZJ8A:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=nmmdgieziUIpkx9nDyAA:9 a=UBl-NsWyJFqFqZsh2ZmIKc3aQSkA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=n8lWGnJ1eq3lPT5e:21 a=X2cCbLzL1bZNf1hZ:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nmmdgieziUIpkx9nDyAA:9 a=0ANw5crYbGiSXf7tp40A:7 a=O5cChuG2yBmE9mGydKVfEEK2HCgA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=Dd7y7Aw-j0riIsbe:21 a=_fSYTAXn0v7lIVzA:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Dr Alan Leighton > writes >>I cant find OPCA to update it! > In that case I would not bother. OPCA is ancient, and in the unlikely > event that you use it, you will have updated it long ago. > I presume this is because the latest version in common with all post 26 > bits mentions that applets have to be 32 bit versions - well yes, but > you only have to do the update once, and you probably did it in 2003. Thank you David, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 17:26:30 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSZTV-0K5Vbs-03-CRa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:26:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSZTV-0K5Vbs-03-CRa; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:15:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSZTV-0K5Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:15:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSZTI-0002eL-OT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:15:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C62FCC7653; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fyZgulQUqv-z; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA094CC765D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94A1ECC7661 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GsE4lzCkvvPE for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 632E8CC765D for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so20610418ewy.26 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.41.81 with SMTP id n17mr13996917ebe.67.1262798078037; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm14211562ewy.10.2010.01.06.09.14.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:14:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <4B44A35E.1090402@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:14:36 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4B43807C.7000206@soton.ac.uk> <877376BC-0365-4449-809B-02F238687B77@ed.ac.uk> <4B44A35E.1090402@soton.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gH4b2KkhpyRLSMpMQw8A:9 a=TnWwBElDSTot7qPxj2wA:7 a=xw4eQJGDhKmhhW9IfM0ps3-4XEgA:4 a=sXCxvs7Lqyydwtda:21 a=CJ4s4-DS3koDWmUE:21 On 6 Jan 2010, at 14:51, M.Bellamy wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> On 5 Jan 2010, at 18:10, M.Bellamy wrote: >>>> You are comparing apples with pears. MS Word is a "Word >>>> Processor"; OPW is DTP software. >>> The difference is, however, lost on your average user. The majority >>> of dissertations and theses are done with Word because that's what >>> everyone thinks of when they have a lot to type. >> ... or, in the case of my own university, because WORD is available >> on every university-owned computer as part of a global "managed >> desktop" system >=20 > Yes, we've got one of those. Still running Word 2003 ... Same here. > which is fun when all the students have Word 2007 on their laptops. Not sure about that ... but likely, if it came bundled with the laptop >>> There wasn't a chance in hell I was going to use Word for mine, but >>> most universities now insist on an electronic copy for plagiarism >>> checks and OPro files probably won't be accepted. >> True, but PDF would ... and OPW will interface with any PDF maker. >=20 > This is the route I went, converting pages with images to pdfs that I = then printed off on a PC (OPro was the RISC OS version). I dare say = conversion to pdf goes smoother from OPW than from Word based on some of = the attempts I've seen that started as Word files. OP (RiscOS) is very capable. The weak link in producing PDFs was the old = PS2 printer driver ... I used to try and run the PostScript output thru' = Acrobat Distiller v4 on a PC (you could do it directly under VRPC ... = print to host), but quite often "distilling" would fail. I'm guessing = the situation has been improved dramatically by the new PS3 driver, tho' = I haven't tested it rigorously. OPW offers more control/options, with = output to or direct PS. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 17:26:30 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSZYq-2q3knw-08-CMF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:26:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSZYq-2q3knw-08-CMF; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:20:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSZYq-2q3knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:20:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSZYp-0003GD-Bt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:20:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4089CC75CA; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GASJzkUQ+Ivg; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 825D8CC4AC4; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D317CC4B13 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5vrWpddqBnCs for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07391CC4AC4 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so2749570eyg.22 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.96.214 with SMTP id i22mr1906528ebn.88.1262798423939; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm14256846ewy.12.2010.01.06.09.20.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:20:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <4B44A3DC.5050605@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:20:22 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70B94734-05A0-4280-995D-8D8F381635F6@ed.ac.uk> References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4B44A3DC.5050605@soton.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ImhDJ7ZIWaVX1UJgd0AA:9 a=btmGOpoKcHuOA15M7JAA:7 a=9Oet1GLGLON1F5ITVc15lj-CocoA:4 a=7HjmwK_GsCFiBES0:21 a=ACXIy2pdx5OXwUqe:21 On 6 Jan 2010, at 14:53, M.Bellamy wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> A fair point -- but to get WORD to do what I want with pictures seems >> to require a level of expertise that I have failed to acquire, even >> tho' I use the software daily. Similarly, most of my students have >> only a basic knowledge of WORD, which is why they get into a >> formatting mess when trying to incorporate pictures into essays and >> dissertations. The safe option is to add the pictures at the end ... >> in which situation OP(W) has the advantage (my opinion, of course). >=20 > If you use textboxes in Word it's the closest thing to frames in OPW. = Despite their name you can drop pictures in them. I use textboxes in WORD quite often ... just don't find them as easy or = flexible to use as frames in OPW. Not helped by the fact that the = behaviour of textboxes seemed to change somewhat between Word 2003 and = 2007 (along with many other things). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 19:56:35 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSbq3-2Fo000-01-A52.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:56:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSbq3-2Fo000-01-A52; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:46:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSbq3-2Fo000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:46:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSbq0-0001Q1-Ru for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:46:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D89F9CC53FF; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6v7+Rh-P+HQT; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 304AECC36C4; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E61CC5355 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:46:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pvhlg0XMsi0S for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A644DCC36C4 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.110.248]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o06JkGvS028416 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:46:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lYg7UnUykiGxHPuQCTsA:9 a=M6PJzbn_kRpvgtj3c64A:7 a=xliDFMMVjRuiwdtobkZsycAA5cQA:4 a=RKP6uYImn1lrP2x2:21 a=cYAlBqkhN3yLZLHR:21 In article <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > It's come to light that there is a bug in both the Windows and RISC OS > version of Ovation Pro - if a line of text is split in to more than 32 > pieces by other objects memory corruption can occur. > This is probably a rare event, so don't rush to upgrade. However a fix > is available: > New RISC OS version: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > New Windows version: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Thanks for that Mr P. I did have a problem with the Win Installer on Window 7, however despite the error moan it did seem to install okay. Err was: "An error occurred during installation. The requested operation cannot be performed on a file with a user-mapped section open. (createFile)(1244)(File path for the install)". For what it's worth, only Windows Explorer was running, with one window open containing the Ovro.exe file. Dave The RO version installed okay. I'm off to Google for the meaning of the above err. D -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 19:56:35 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSbvg-2ZfGPo-08-9zP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:56:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSbvg-2ZfGPo-08-9zP; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSbvg-2ZfGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSbvc-0001yX-Ut for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:52:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1CE0CC7808; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:52:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bj65JFyOC72o; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C34C5CC75EA; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0413CC761C for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hEiSjagu+bUS for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50E58CC75EA for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.110.248]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o06Jq6WR028636 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:52:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:51:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: <50d584c4dddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GX2uS22DllD2wMCF8f8A:9 a=xj5e4MfTGfOrOwRzkIYA:7 a=FyBt-mCh-8lk24chJElvGFZ3XtsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 06 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > "An error occurred during installation. The requested operation cannot be > performed on a file with a user-mapped section open. > (createFile)(1244)(File path for the install)". Back from Google... Apparently it is the AVG Resident Shield causing the problem, turning it off is supposed to sort the problem. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 20:11:35 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSc1D-2ioGPo-07-9ts.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:11:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSc1D-2ioGPo-07-9ts; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:58:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSc1D-2ioGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:58:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSc19-0004YD-Mc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:58:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50F90CC7860; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LifSgkYDqvCK; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D3DFCC7857; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B289CC782D for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xE3dlP3-lo8J for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3204DCC7874 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.110.248]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o06JvfYR028846 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:57:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:57:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: <50d58546ebdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d584c4dddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d584c4dddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=66b4pmV7vaJgNSkdVGkA:9 a=Lkr51_Tp5EgJLU0oJEsA:7 a=UH7JKecvhOP3XuO1WWvAzQIYBEoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=BWffiwV8_078-mQU:21 a=mp4Q_MM27mdtWBhl:21 On 06 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > On 06 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > > "An error occurred during installation. The requested operation cannot > > be performed on a file with a user-mapped section open. > > (createFile)(1244)(File path for the install)". > Back from Google... > Apparently it is the AVG Resident Shield causing the problem, turning it > off is supposed to sort the problem. > Dave Or to be precise... AVG Anti-virus is causing the issue. Here is the solution: 1. Open AVG resident shield. 2. Choose manage exceptions. 3. Under Resident Shield Directory Excludes choose Add Path 4. Browse to your App install directory 5. Choose OK D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 20:56:37 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSctt-0Z4knw-03-91C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:56:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSctt-0Z4knw-03-91C; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:54:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSctt-0Z4knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:54:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSctq-00057r-EQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:54:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C08ECC6E6F; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rGWtfnExYkXn; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9B62CC6DBC; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:54:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B612ACC6E01 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FYxKSb032kDJ for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7558ACC6DBC for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSctT-0003fC-eq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:54:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:52:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d553b043john@acornusers.org> <78F422DA-7E25-436A-AA8F-EC9A0BACB39F@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <78F422DA-7E25-436A-AA8F-EC9A0BACB39F@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3rdZiCbEu7E19FQvMzEA:9 a=WDOj0JeiSOC9hB7pDDgA:7 a=ibSguD0oLcoNQhAy24PItjX6f8UA:4 a=kzfIxFqgghHgSZrI:21 a=B5P1Kc55HQ_73iAU:21 In message <78F422DA-7E25-436A-AA8F-EC9A0BACB39F@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >There is a nice* distinction between the awful* word processor that is >TechWriter and the likes of (the far less awful*) LocoScript. That >word changes When a word undergoes a marked change from one use to another . . . it's likely to be the subject of dispute. Some people (Group 1) insist on the traditional use; others (Group 2) embrace the new use. . . . Any use of [the word] is likely to distract some readers. The new use seems illiterate to Group 1; the old use seems odd to Group 2. The word has become "skunked." -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 21:11:44 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSd9k-1i1knw-01-8lL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:11:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSd9k-1i1knw-01-8lL; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:11:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSd9k-1i1knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:11:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSd9i-0000ph-6y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:11:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 088DDCC7648; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:10:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UE6MO503fMUi; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5860CCC7617; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34AEBCC763C for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVD4G8UcgvmX for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BDB3CC7617 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:10:42 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,230,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="155087349" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 06 Jan 2010 21:10:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [192.168.0.100]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACF09A0BD for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:10:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:10:38 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.3) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tRJx_EUY3-Xt_UKzVjwA:9 a=NLnZs7x4GL6L6JqstSQA:7 a=Zrsq_LBcyRsQjqJ06FF5cegGXaoA:4 a=IuTehTf82pgmvpxo:21 a=3S1EVU6Ur3JYyv0D:21 On 6 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message : > At the time Acorn machines brought the remarkable revolution of > applications (EasiWriter & Ovation) that remarkably were both wp and dtp > programs at one and the same time. EasiWriter is a WP, not a DTP. Oh, and its concept didn't really originate on RISC OS, either. But apart from that, I'm sure you're correct. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 21:41:39 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSdQW-2RUknw-01-H15.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:41:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSdQW-2RUknw-01-H15; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:28:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSdQW-2RUknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:28:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSdQS-0004KB-FY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:28:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA676CC7707; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:28:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Imt8W1PV+CCD; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B61D1CC502B; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:28:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 927D3CC769C for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:28:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N+VBGTKXS133 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BEA5CC502B for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NSdQ9-0005od-1u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:28:01 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NSdQ8-0004eq-In for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:28:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:27:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Message-ID: <50d58d8262john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d553b043john@acornusers.org> <78F422DA-7E25-436A-AA8F-EC9A0BACB39F@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=goZ0quD5n-yr-UBzlBcA:9 a=cC3cW-vZtyX9726Fp_8A:7 a=73nTES5hCtd8l9eoxZpPLz47j6AA:4 a=GxHhhpbm64EfsDx8:21 a=wq2MVZFw1BxM8CoT:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <78F422DA-7E25-436A-AA8F-EC9A0BACB39F@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, > John Cartmell writes > >There is a nice* distinction between the awful* word processor that is > >TechWriter and the likes of (the far less awful*) LocoScript. That > >word changes > When a word undergoes a marked change from one use to another . . . > it's likely to be the subject of dispute. Some people (Group 1) insist > on the traditional use; others (Group 2) embrace the new use. . . . I am careful to preserve existing uses that are well-embedded in literature, and am suspicious of attempts by certain interest groups to subvert an existing word's meaning. Thus I am gay in the company of daffodils, for example. > Any use of [the word] is likely to distract some readers. The new use > seems illiterate to Group 1; the old use seems odd to Group 2. The > word has become "skunked." It is so easy to devise a new word, that there really is no need in this widely-connected and not so parochially-dialected world to "steal" existing words for other meanings. The pharmaceuticals industry invents new words all the time, though some are rather long :-) Okay, all this has drifted off the topic of copy/paste options; but a lot of what WP and DTP programs handle these days is dictionaries of words, and in some cases their meanings and contexts as well, so we do need to be aware of this topic. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 6 22:56:39 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSebG-2Rxknw-02-FqL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:56:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSebG-2Rxknw-02-FqL; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSebG-2Rxknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSebD-00015V-2c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 871FACC7821; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:43:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fnACqdpRISVA; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0D52CC778F; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C137CC7817 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+q35NUg1dFz for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D1C1CC778F for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NSeas-0006jL-QJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:43:10 +0000 Received: from [92.235.171.138] (helo=[192.168.1.13]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NSeas-0003zS-CA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:43:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:36:19 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50d58546ebdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d584c4dddave@triffid.co.uk> <50d58546ebdave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.29i (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DkW9MlyXrqCXMcjSWY4A:9 a=ddmJnR6YayT42g_KGNsA:7 a=vUP_YS-dnIhqjC-Syx6au_75yWEA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 Dave Symes wrote: > AVG Anti-virus is causing the issue. Here is the solution: > 1. Open AVG resident shield. > 2. Choose manage exceptions. > 3. Under Resident Shield Directory Excludes choose Add Path > 4. Browse to your App install directory > 5. Choose OK Surely that's a bad idea, telling AVG not to look at files in the directory that your newest files/installers are in? Isn't that one of the most likely place for viruses to be? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 00:41:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSgFR-3tCVbs-03-ECA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:41:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSgFR-3tCVbs-03-ECA; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:29:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSgFR-3tCVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:29:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSgFP-0007ee-8w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67120CC7675; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DxI5ZWJfKQeJ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A28EACC614D; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:28:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F6C5CC62C4 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:28:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A75zguk5IhWt for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4899ECC614D for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124] helo=[10.0.0.4]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NSgF8-0007Yv-a7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:28:50 +0000 Message-Id: <6EF5A9B5-6F0D-4D14-A1C5-F76A5AD30A2F@cartmell.demon.co.uk> From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and copy/paste options Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 00:28:29 +0000 References: <75C012AC-4C0E-4562-B422-1D3257937D5D@ed.ac.uk> <1A71ABA9-CBB0-46AA-8FD9-F518BDA19D44@ed.ac.uk> <92F452E6-4CEB-457B-98ED-E6251A5919AF@ed.ac.uk> <50d4ea3743charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-archive-position: 2149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7b2SOd9nSN0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Rz6h5x5lJz7gShWItjgA:9 a=ZvKJ5FthEamSibT3kjgA:7 a=lrDjOAs-4lfp6q1I9bqG7pPsKwEA:4 On 6 Jan 2010, at 21:10, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 6 Jan, John Cartmell wrote in message > : > >> At the time Acorn machines brought the remarkable revolution of >> applications (EasiWriter & Ovation) that remarkably were both wp >> and dtp >> programs at one and the same time. > > EasiWriter is a WP, not a DTP. Oh, and its concept didn't really > originate > on RISC OS, either. But apart from that, I'm sure you're correct. The confusion is that we are both correct! ;-) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 11:55:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSmT2-3TUknw-06-GV5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:55:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSmT2-3TUknw-06-GV5; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:07:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSmT2-3TUknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:07:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSmSy-0004O6-NQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:07:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27BDDCC779B; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:07:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I5fH71Pwd2hY; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E2BCCC7753; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34889CC776F for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ph4UKIjAHato for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7C56CC7753 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.137.215]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0777DQE023326 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:07:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:00:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: <50d5c1f7b6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d584c4dddave@triffid.co.uk> <50d58546ebdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hyJeR9iJFSNjkw8wJxIA:9 a=si8FNsGyBw_JjhhyGwUA:7 a=nQo3EX6g59MdG_5w1Gl-4LYLkWkA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=EQOiL0Uft5y6VnOU:21 a=YMn7W1Nv55TpJaIo:21 In article , Jeremy Nicoll - freelists wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > AVG Anti-virus is causing the issue. Here is the solution: > > 1. Open AVG resident shield. > > 2. Choose manage exceptions. > > 3. Under Resident Shield Directory Excludes choose Add Path > > 4. Browse to your App install directory > > 5. Choose OK ^^^ > Surely that's a bad idea, telling AVG not to look at files in the > directory that your newest files/installers are in? Isn't that one of > the most likely place for viruses to be? I guess Jeremy, technically yes, but nothing in life is that simple... The suggestion was not to turn off Resident shield monitoring for "Program Files" as a whole directory full of "Apps", but to turn it off for the specific "App" install directory (In this case Ovation Pro) leaving everything else in Program Files to be Shield monitored. It's not every App install that presents the Err message, just a few. In most cases it's just a warning, if you continue the install, it finishes okay. Dave Doing a manual scan afterwards can override those setting anyway. I wanted to install OvPro, I'm sufficiently computerate to understand... I have additional measure in place... So in my case no risk. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 11:55:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSqP2-2M6knw-02-CZ5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:55:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSqP2-2M6knw-02-CZ5; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:19:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSqP2-2M6knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:19:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSqOy-0001O4-CF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:19:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5485CC760A; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6tANLjnn2zCJ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ED7FCC75BA; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:19:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D58D6CC7604 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:19:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9u8vJzGURVG1 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com (mail-fx0-f228.google.com [209.85.220.228]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74F87CC75BA for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 06:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so9371743fxm.26 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.97.155 with SMTP id l27mr6653116fan.91.1262863162241; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm7619595fxm.6.2010.01.07.03.19.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:19:21 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--1059364980 Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:19:20 +0000 Message-Id: To: David Pilling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6HyLeCkNDUsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=hI4RRvbOlC3SnNNajjAA:9 a=heG8wlmlcfj3xXv_cqP_2WrO35cA:4 a=BMCY_ApLj7N7clA5nfIA:9 a=Eh9belAwfv-d082i_JHfcRkzlyYA:4 --Apple-Mail-5--1059364980 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and replace working with SRWE = 1.06 and OPW 2.92 (5 January 2010)? Consider the following example: The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG. [FOX and DOG have = BOLD EFFECT set] I want to change this to: The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG. [FOX and DOG have = ITALIC STYLE set] I can do this by searching individually on the words FOX and then DOG = (with the appropriate effect/style set). But I cannot seem to do a = global change of the BOLD EFFECT to ITALIC STYLE using wildcards or = wildcards + macros. What should the FIND and REPLACE strings be? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --Apple-Mail-5--1059364980 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and replace working with SRWE 1.06 and OPW 2.92 (5 January 2010)?

Consider the following example:

      The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG.  [FOX and DOG have BOLD EFFECT set]

I want to change this to:

      The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG.  [FOX and DOG have ITALIC STYLE set]

I can do this by searching individually on the words FOX and then DOG (with the appropriate effect/style set). But I cannot seem to do a global change of the BOLD EFFECT to ITALIC STYLE using wildcards or wildcards + macros.

What should the FIND and REPLACE strings be?
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--Apple-Mail-5--1059364980-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 21:10:43 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NSzav-2e7Vbs-06-Bti.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:10:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NSzav-2e7Vbs-06-Bti; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:08:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NSzav-2e7Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:08:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NSzat-0000Ss-Dz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:08:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 372FACC7CD4; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:08:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fj8JzvHvg1gW; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DDB9CC7C7E; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:08:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE2DFCC7C8E for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:08:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WsnB5SBxKzwz for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B3C8CC7C7E for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100107210815.OGFI17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:08:15 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100107210815.WIYK2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:08:15 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06 To: David Pilling From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:05:32 GMT Message-ID: <0f570fd650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=kpKH1r0MJjYA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Ac1tVfTYFyPEax8eSWYA:9 a=OWGKvdjQQRe4c3j6OHkA:7 a=hJ0z3ird-dV9hfU94WjcyZwH5JsA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=6efrXmMriehBLCSd:21 a=LuGE7UrnDS4hadtI:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=egTvhKzgcakA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ac1tVfTYFyPEax8eSWYA:9 a=gHHBtlahbCw0B-lwEo8A:7 a=DUEi2WbSmFjKWbUPMIoSU376iiMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=4N5M4U69qfTII5yT:21 a=9DMaMJBswfEgBub-:21 In message Clive Bonsall wrote: > Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and replace working with SRWE > 1.06 and OPW 2.92 (5 January 2010)? OPro on RISC OS and I haven't yet taken the latest upgrade so I hope this is relevant. Surprised to find I have SRWE 0.03 > Consider the following example: > The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG. [FOX and DOG have > BOLD EFFECT set] > I want to change this to: > The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG. [FOX and DOG have > ITALIC STYLE set] > I can do this by searching individually on the words FOX and then DOG > (with the appropriate effect/style set). But I cannot seem to do a > global change of the BOLD EFFECT to ITALIC STYLE using wildcards or > wildcards + macros. > What should the FIND and REPLACE strings be? For this special case the following seems to work, use wildcards and: Find string \aO\a (Any letter, capital O, any letter), no find style, Case sensitive, none of the effects ticked. Replace string \& (the found string) with Italic Style Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 21:55:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NT0DL-2CCGPo-05-BHI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:55:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NT0DL-2CCGPo-05-BHI; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:48:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NT0DL-2CCGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:48:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NT0DH-0003nP-LL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:48:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFEB5CC7A3F; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:48:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkKkm0Q7cQG9; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FB44CC7A08; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDCC9CC7A35 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ioShzyoVPBRX for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 719E8CC7A1F for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so22108585ewy.26 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.200 with SMTP id s8mr293069ebb.52.1262900878270; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm15397707ewy.1.2010.01.07.13.47.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:47:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06 From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <0f570fd650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:47:55 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0f570fd650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=egTvhKzgcakA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Oky1c_rGgKgm8EYUz6oA:9 a=8B_WzLYrSNR7cgq0rIYA:7 a=hXXUlQFvCYWw1Yl_L199qL1cXsgA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 7 Jan 2010, at 21:05, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >> Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and replace working with SRWE >> 1.06 and OPW 2.92 (5 January 2010)? >=20 > OPro on RISC OS and I haven't yet taken the latest upgrade so I hope=20= > this is relevant. Surprised to find I have SRWE 0.03 >=20 >> Consider the following example: >=20 >> The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG. [FOX and DOG have >> BOLD EFFECT set] >=20 >> I want to change this to: >=20 >> The quick brown FOX jumps over the lazy DOG. [FOX and DOG have >> ITALIC STYLE set] >=20 >> I can do this by searching individually on the words FOX and then DOG >> (with the appropriate effect/style set). But I cannot seem to do a >> global change of the BOLD EFFECT to ITALIC STYLE using wildcards or >> wildcards + macros. >=20 >> What should the FIND and REPLACE strings be? >=20 > For this special case the following seems to work, use wildcards and: >=20 > Find string \aO\a (Any letter, capital O, any letter), no find style,=20= > Case sensitive, none of the effects ticked. >=20 > Replace string \& (the found string) with Italic Style Yes, I guess that would work -- but all it's doing is finding = three-letter words with upper case "O" as the middle letter. What I'm = after (and I'm now aware that several people have previously asked about = this on the List) is a way to replace one effect/style with another for = any text string in the document. For example, consider a Bibliography = where the TITLES of journals and books need to be in Italics ... but the = file has been imported from another software package and the titles have = a different style (or an Italics effect) and you want to do a global = conversion to your own Italics style. Having played around with SRWE all = day, I've come to conclusion that the "match all strings" (\.\*) = wildcards feature doesn't work. There is another solution, of course, = which is to edit the DDL. It's more cumbersome, but quite educational ;) Thanks for the suggestion, anyway. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 21:55:49 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NT0IL-0UTGPo-06-BCI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:55:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NT0IL-0UTGPo-06-BCI; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:53:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NT0IL-0UTGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:53:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NT0IG-0003D9-9c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:53:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09E38CC7CCC; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:53:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WABe8tKQAtzn; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9537CC7CBD; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:53:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4566CC7CBA for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:53:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a3v+emugE0ST for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16B9ACC7CB9 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NT0Hq-0000qB-1p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:52:58 +0000 Received: from [92.235.171.138] (helo=[192.168.1.13]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NT0Hl-0003Vk-GG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:52:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:52:53 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50d5c1f7b6dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d5843aa1dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d584c4dddave@triffid.co.uk> <50d58546ebdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d5c1f7b6dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.29i (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-XWngJWkVWgSAMODuFUA:9 a=RcXdklZi98sv6xxoakkA:7 a=Q8HzwgjH4iKDAxFGXWtgUNbS2jkA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 Dave Symes wrote: > The suggestion was not to turn off Resident shield monitoring for "Program > Files" Nor did I read it as such; they're the things you've already installed and much less likely to harbour a new virus... > but to turn it off for the specific "App" install directory ... which is precisely the place that newly-downloaded but not yet installed apps will be. Even though my a/v is sure to scan things that I download, I normally scan installers too. I usually scan the installed program's dirs as well just after doing an install, as you can't necessarily be sure that the installer just unpacks & copies stuff. A malicious installer could bring together bits of something which in total were dangerous but had been in fragments in the installer. I might be inclined to turn a/v off for the duration of the running of the installer, (as well as unplugging the LAN cable and turning off the firewall - as one obviously does for a/v and firewall updates). But I think making the place where you install new apps from a permanent exclusion is unwise. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 7 22:25:45 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NT0e9-3WFVbs-02-AqU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:25:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NT0e9-3WFVbs-02-AqU; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:16:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NT0e9-3WFVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:16:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NT0ds-0003ne-Kb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:16:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 806CFCC63A6; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:15:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VxQNYQgl1nHk; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD063CC62B2; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:15:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 991BCCC62B9 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:15:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BU-w-8sVRZ0h for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B776ECC62B2 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:15:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:11:45 +0000 Message-ID: Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="0__=0FBBFC37DFEA6A2C8f9e8a93df938690918c0FBBFC37DFEA6A2C" Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 2155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=egTvhKzgcakA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=atqkWfWey4CbQl389r8A:9 a=ki_hPRi_LPhnAceVWqcA:7 a=O0lS_EPIAmKkw-NkNu-SkjxxVsQA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=zysPh69lTqUNIV8J:21 a=6ZiYxKdbB1WXmxpD:21 a=7t_2gLz3H_FAmV_DAcQA:7 a=5y8Evp5Ern6o2M2Rk27Ul6EKcj4A:4 a=a-SIaFLgZRMA:10 --0__=0FBBFC37DFEA6A2C8f9e8a93df938690918c0FBBFC37DFEA6A2C Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >On=A07=A0Jan=A02010,=A0at=A021:05,=A0Anthony=A0Hilton=A0wrote: > >>=A0In=A0message=A0 >>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Clive=A0Bonsall=A0=A0= wrote: >> >>> Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and replace working with >SRWE Snip.... >> Find string \aO\a (Any letter, capital O, any letter), no find >style, >>=A0Case=A0sensitive,=A0none=A0of=A0the=A0effects=A0ticked. >> >>=A0Replace=A0string=A0\&=A0(the=A0found=A0string)=A0with=A0Italic=A0S= tyle > >Yes, I guess that would work -- but all it's doing is finding >three-letter words with upper case "O" as the middle letter. What I'm >after (and I'm now aware that several people have previously asked >about this on the List) is a way to replace one effect/style with >another for any text string in the document. It's ages since I've looked at this and I modified someone else's origi= nal applet, so I may have got things wrong. I've had a quick look at the code and I don't think it is searching for= effects. I'm not sure if it can. It does search for a style and so will= replace strings that have one style with another. It will also change t= he effects on the found string. There are also issues with wildcards. You can't search for just \* as t= his will find an empty string. You get a popup error about searching for nu= ll strings if you do this. So you have to search for something like \a\* This is a limitation of OP. If I get time (like it continues snowing and I can't get to work) I may= have another look, but I suspect there is good reason it doesn't check = for effects in the search. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may= be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are no= t an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete= it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In th= e pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachme= nts) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wale= s. Registration No: 4004913 Contact details for all Quantel Offices and Companies can be found on o= ur website www.quantel.com or by writing to the holding company. 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>On=A07=A0Jan=A02010,=A0at=A021:05,=A0Anthony=A0Hilton=A0wrot= e:
>
>>=A0In=A0message=A0<AF2FF4FF-C688-408D-9C3A-5315CB1C= B46A@ed.ac.uk>
>>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Clive=A0Bonsall=A0<cb= onsall@sky.com>=A0wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and repla= ce working with
>SRWE

Snip....

>> Find string \aO\a (Any letter, capital O, any letter), no = find
>style,
>>=A0Case=A0sensitive,=A0none=A0of=A0the=A0effects=A0tic= ked.
>>
>>=A0Replace=A0string=A0\&=A0(the=A0found=A0string)=A0= with=A0Italic=A0Style
>
>Yes, I guess that would work -- but all it's doing is find= ing
>three-letter words with upper case "O" as the mi= ddle letter. What I'm
>after (and I'm now aware that several people have previous= ly asked
>about this on the List) is a way to replace one effect/sty= le with
>another for any text string in the document.

It's ages since I've looked at this and I modified someone else's o= riginal applet, so I may have got things wrong.

I've had a quick look at the code and I don't think it is searching= for effects. I'm not sure if it can. It does search for a style and so= will replace strings that have one style with another. It will also ch= ange the effects on the found string.

There are also issues with wildcards. You can't search for just \* = as this will find an empty string. You get a popup error about searchin= g for null strings if you do this. So you have to search for something = like \a\*
This is a limitation of OP.

If I get time (like it continues snowing and I can't get to work) I= may have another look, but I suspect there is good reason it doesn't c= heck for effects in the search.

Andy Ling

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(5ac334f4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm2393541eyx.46.2010.01.07.15.05.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1017009762 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 23:05:15 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: Message-Id: <2CCE8AC8-08D0-477F-93F9-626EC1CD7501@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=egTvhKzgcakA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=nEeUm18_jnVoZQFyYSMA:9 a=gXhSkwgp9ChQCN6B5s8A:7 a=4vxsVPBjyTXKFRVn4KghsEZ_qqgA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=KqpWVkfzXHcVsuaWoiUA:7 a=Vqw7nUBVkLwCnpG5kEiFhpgRP7sA:4 --Apple-Mail-2--1017009762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 7 Jan 2010, at 22:11, Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com wrote: > >On 7 Jan 2010, at 21:05, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > >> In message > >> Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and replace working with > >SRWE >=20 > I've had a quick look at the code and I don't think it is searching = for effects. I'm not sure if it can. It does search for a style and so = will replace strings that have one style with another. It will also = change the effects on the found string. >=20 It definitely can't search for effects and replace them with styles ... = would be extremely useful if it could. Whenever RTF is imported into = OPW, italics, bold, superscript (etc) appear as effects -- and I always = want to replace the effects with proper styles, so that I can remove = other, unwanted, effects using OPW's "Remove local effects" feature.=20 >=20 > There are also issues with wildcards. You can't search for just \* as = this will find an empty string. You get a popup error about searching = for null strings if you do this. So you have to search for something = like \a\* > This is a limitation of OP. >=20 I read the help file and previous correspondence about SRWE, so I knew = about \a\* ... \@, etc. Replacement of styles doesn't work perfectly, = however. "Whole word" has to be selected, and each word replacement adds = an extra character space ... so across a string of words you end up with = lots of double character spaces between the words. Try it on: "It uses the [same wildcards as other applets] so to match all strings = you have to use \.\*. Then you [use \& as the replacement] string." ... setting the strings within square brackets initially, e.g., to BOLD = and changing them to ITALICS. If SRWE works as it does here, you'll find = you acquire lots of extra character spaces (occasionally, extra = characters). > If I get time (like it continues snowing and I can't get to work) I = may have another look, but I suspect there is good reason it doesn't = check for effects in the search. >=20 Thanks, that would be appreciated. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --Apple-Mail-2--1017009762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com = wrote:

>On 7 Jan 2010, at 2= 1:05, Anthony Hilton wrote:
>
>> In message <AF2FF4FF-C68= 8-408D-9C3A-5315CB1CB46A@ed.ac.uk>
= >>         &nb= sp;Clive Bonsall <cbonsall@sky.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone managed to get WILDCARD find and = replace working with
>SRWE

I've had a quick look at the code and I don't think it is searching = for effects. I'm not sure if it can. It does search for a style and so = will replace strings that have one style with another. It will also = change the effects on the found = string.

It definitely can't search = for effects and replace them with styles ... would be extremely useful = if it could. Whenever RTF is imported into OPW, italics, bold, = superscript (etc) appear as effects -- and I always want to replace the = effects with proper styles, so that I can remove other, unwanted, = effects using OPW's "Remove local effects" = feature. 


There are also issues with wildcards. You can't search for just \* = as this will find an empty string. You get a popup error about searching = for null strings if you do this. So you have to search for something = like \a\*
This is a limitation of = OP.

I read the help file and = previous correspondence about SRWE, so I knew about \a\* = ... \@, etc. Replacement of styles doesn't work perfectly, however. = "Whole word" has to be selected, and each word replacement adds an extra = character space ... so across a string of words you end up with lots of = double character spaces between the words. Try it = on:

"It uses the [same = wildcards as other applets] so to match all strings you have to use = \.\*. Then you [use \& as the replacement] = string."

... setting the strings within square = brackets initially, e.g., to BOLD and changing them to ITALICS. If SRWE = works as it does here, you'll find you acquire lots of extra character = spaces (occasionally, extra characters).

If I get time (like it continues snowing and I can't get to work) I = may have another look, but I suspect there is good reason it doesn't = check for effects in the = search.


Thanks, that would be = appreciated.

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= --Apple-Mail-2--1017009762-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 16:11:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTHDe-2i6Vbs-02-BK1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:11:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTHDe-2i6Vbs-02-BK1; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTHDe-2i6Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTHDY-0002Yi-Fm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43B91CC7CC5; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48xIKDuzul4e; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 537D9CC7C68; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22DF1CC7C9C for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id khfQHE6A4XRU for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.250]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 24368CC7BF7 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 35877 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 15:57:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:thread-index:Content-Language; b=FAwnxaAmhVda/rKrNok2UB+f1HZLYYruXjNrnTtpUw8LrJWkp4yDGN/kpOAra5+6PXbekG3ALko+t1U0RjGjOSggCvS0FWRUEHfX23phCNeeke6gKslhVyBb+fHFvaQcMUmZ1U039d2H0LTAOwv87LS1BjcwNVWfEAhcVp0/Xq4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO MartinPC) (martin.cawte@86.177.139.122 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 15:57:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4M3xUayswBCMRXkL1C2x3g45rzyGh8Xa3n2z05._SVsavitmZ0mOOA-- X-YMail-OSG: k5pKdwEVM1lrKYNWU9Ebmk6TQ387nsB3U.VgLymQDvF2hkxhCGKgXvC3lWO5pxv76ElnjLlN5Vhqb2U_ezowpF7NKd75e5_7pFEfuj_dMTX8.aAGiapqpoLtlIVxdu2sDiF0.JPX_kUGeyNjul2kzWA2POrZgjB7uMOnjST8A8h0FrFbGOjiLOQc0KLCiHs1GOZeMRRXrFJhQH0qv1aMa5_E5orFDrrwWiBXB5NZSc7ufpw2W8117NFltLw_vqqZ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Martin Cawte" To: Subject: [softwarelist] OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcqQezeqXwP6qoJNRoulx1/VqbghHw== Content-Language: en-gb X-archive-position: 2157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.cawte@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hV238ideEb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JICtlIk596pSMRAEs0UA:9 a=L1uxheV47_vH86IDTrAA:7 a=VODIHXJ0FIWgTZVcvgMnDaPNjmwA:4 I still have not succeeded in installing the fonts for Windows from the Ovation Pro for Windows CD. I run InstallFonts.exe (as adminstrator) from the CD and get an 'Install Error' message saying "An installed and registered copy of Ovation Pro is required". I am using a PC with Windows 7. Ovation Pro is installed and registered and works well. I wish to install these fonts because I have many OvnPro documents on my RiscPC 7000 which I wish to transfer. I should be grateful for any help. Martin Cawte To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 16:56:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTHxY-0V0knw-05-Aa7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:56:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTHxY-0V0knw-05-Aa7; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:45:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTHxY-0V0knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:45:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTHxT-00013x-SG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:45:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1B30CBEAB2; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:45:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jEaP4AwmDC7E; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D0C6CC7D29; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:44:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C30ACC7D4A for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:44:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hllD0kkg2U1P for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A4BDCC7D29 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:44:48 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEANrvRkvUnw4T/2dsb2JhbADUYIQvBA Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Jan 2010 16:44:48 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NTHx9-0007SA-R8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:44:48 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 To: From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:44:36 GMT Message-ID: <71497bd650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte@btinternet.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: c4944f9619cdfc216625dd7f34d9e835 X-archive-position: 2158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TXNwIE44EvJndp_be5AA:9 a=pi03M1gM9SZN6IH9JWEA:7 a=rcePtPEFcg97O-7YKdCkoGt07hoA:4 a=zw6h1A24o64A:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=zz1fe26T3PFtoBxX:21 a=p-mVlR4GncfKmsvs:21 In message <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte@btinternet.com> "Martin Cawte" wrote: > I still have not succeeded in installing the fonts for Windows from the > Ovation Pro for Windows CD. > I run InstallFonts.exe (as adminstrator) from the CD and get an 'Install > Error' message saying "An installed and registered copy of Ovation Pro is > required". > I am using a PC with Windows 7. Ovation Pro is installed and registered and > works well. > I wish to install these fonts because I have many OvnPro documents on my > RiscPC 7000 > which I wish to transfer. > I should be grateful for any help. > Martin Cawte On Windows 7 the default user is not an Administrator user, you have to set is as such, (Control panel > Users etc) then re-install Ovation Pro again to makes sure it registers properly, then you can install the OvPro fonts InstallFonts.exe -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 17:26:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTIWN-25aknw-06-A1I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:26:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTIWN-25aknw-06-A1I; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:21:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTIWN-25aknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:21:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTIWL-0006uX-3c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:21:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3472BCC78D0; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:21:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tCWhvR29Z7kr; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D7BCC78A2; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 163C4CC78B2 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLnnX8GBDtGH for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9FC3CC78A9 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NTIW3-0007LE-eR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:20:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:19:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> In-Reply-To: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=Gu5Ckz16Q6fJ-hZnLnoA:7 a=peXLxrpyverbEOJ6hpsfjXoY_scA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=vw8q0nak9J7oei0f:21 a=mFCag-_b1twNGmZi:21 In message <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte>, Martin Cawte writes >I should be grateful for any help. I've just emailed you the fonts in a zip file . However a discussion (thanks Bernard) would be interesting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 19:11:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTKA6-0eWGPo-06-Gu5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:11:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTKA6-0eWGPo-06-Gu5; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:06:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTKA6-0eWGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:06:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTKA3-0004Bc-U8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:06:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6755DCC7D0D; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vBm2Q7pFNEyF; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90819CC7CEC; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:05:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D83DCC7CC2 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:05:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WEXZE17F0HyT for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.245]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id BC51CCC7CFA for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46552 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 19:05:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=wTRaoWP73S0GZjZLAXYAshVz35cOuHy/x7pXIbtH6001LODPgjXqxNzsu396x4CcLgVX9qtwrZ6kP1lpRS0LGXgVeBQ/GEsqjlvCegYSIGcO89IOe5iq0AQIYMhE2+qAtlwMq5BCJ328OD7quRXmH/GtMM2319B/STzNxgjCIk0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO MartinPC) (martin.cawte@86.177.139.122 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 19:05:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4M3xUayswBCMRXkL1C2x3g45rzyGh8Xa3n2z05._SVsavitmZ0mOOA-- X-YMail-OSG: 4OpYAzMVM1n5SL0YWA9aWAn082jeNkcZysPp3gLNeH.TlQDAMpeAooIzOpBuX5F1ywNrXZjUtrPvysEhcDOcBs8EIiNJeLRb5cI_Or6cFppR5XnQ.omWyOpG0kmS5yPiRz7VSjeDHqt6FBCpuFZoOmlGp.8qKjxn4VytMoGTnV_ucmx5g12nyP.jPhPV56mgaj64_ET6rr5XB6COFbijsJoymjz4 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Martin Cawte" To: References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000101ca9095$7ff2dcf0$7fd896d0$@cawte@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqQhvhX0gEuV/yVR2WzGCsNjVxt2gADd+Ew Content-Language: en-gb X-archive-position: 2160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.cawte@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MX3h3fm3Tk5JS3mJ8B0A:9 a=AxkNhK5rANPUVMdSt88A:7 a=q1eSZkzuXXGwba6-JxNT0TeS3zsA:4 My thanks to David Pilling for the zip file which solves my problem. I was logged in as administrator and OvPro was properly registered so I still don't understand why the font installer didn't work. But it doesn't matter now. Thank you Martin Cawte > David Pilling wrote: > > I've just emailed you the fonts in a zip file exploding>. > > However a discussion (thanks Bernard) would be interesting. > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 19:26:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTKG3-0kQGPo-03-Go8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:26:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTKG3-0kQGPo-03-Go8; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:12:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTKG3-0kQGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:12:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTKFz-0005NA-HN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:12:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E714CCC7CBC; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p3iBDqoZLlLs; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29773CC78A6; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:12:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0833BCC7BF7 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrvmNwXdltPu for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADE73CC78A6 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:12:07 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAE8SR0vUnw4R/2dsb2JhbADVMoQvBA Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Jan 2010 19:12:06 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NTKFi-000733-5N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:12:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:11:47 GMT Message-ID: <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: aca6fd02c5500b1dce0bdeae4310656a X-archive-position: 2161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3Dr8_PC2izV-clMKTvMA:9 a=txjQqCJ_gziEyJfXxFEA:7 a=Ch7ur-N2Ie77EANs3clK6-a0GVgA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=klcEfMekcGDC8QUf:21 a=qwtQgCZ0yBvoj20e:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte>, Martin Cawte > writes >>I should be grateful for any help. > I've just emailed you the fonts in a zip file . > However a discussion (thanks Bernard) would be interesting. So what's the difference between your zip file and InstallFonts.exe on your website? -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 20:56:41 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTLnV-0OO000-02-FGg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:56:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTLnV-0OO000-02-FGg; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTLnV-0OO000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTLnU-0006JJ-I8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:51:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61B83CC7804; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPL+w2kUhpqQ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC562CC6137; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:50:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84C88CC6138 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:50:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mi88s3XPqpiq for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E28DCC6137 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NTLnD-0002Dz-nH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:50:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:49:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KPPwOCHVmTjFMoOdipUA:9 a=31LBR16JEu4J00woXowA:7 a=mPTSWwDa3H_bXThpPn4BC6b1_pgA:4 a=edmB7KbwN6-Awqz_:21 a=4yIG10yDrDxY_ANX:21 In message <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, Bernard Veasey writes >So what's the difference between your zip file and InstallFonts.exe >on your website? The exe consists of a zip file glued on to a piece of code. It would be easy to load the .exe into a programmers editor, eyeball the tags at the start of the zip and then save it. I was going to comment on Dave Symes problems, that most of my .exe files are compressed, and expand when run, this is standard on RISC OS (squeeze), less common on Windows. Point being that some virus programs don't like the look of expanding .exe files. Seemed reasonable when I started Windows programming, by now transfer speeds are such that we could probably all live without compressed .exe's. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 21:11:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTLzW-3wd000-06-F4f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:11:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTLzW-3wd000-06-F4f; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:03:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTLzW-3wd000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:03:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTLzS-0005wv-Ny for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:03:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A7B8CC7A21; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:03:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QJLUKraJWoj9; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85497CC784A; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 644CBCC7851 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bt7-nBnDLf-L for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07171CC784A for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NTLzB-0001Tv-66 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:03:09 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NTLzA-0003fw-A1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:03:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 Message-ID: <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7h-5QZUbVIZxjKjeNIsA:9 a=cKNdGNF6Plc49gNhj2wA:7 a=Y6Tm4flnvcI9OtHqJpW8l0Uh6c8A:4 a=Z479CEnewZ6c7jG2:21 a=zKpBvk_MIFHodSxJ:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: [modest snip] > I was going to comment on Dave Symes problems, that most of my .exe > files are compressed, and expand when run, this is standard on RISC OS > (squeeze), less common on Windows. Point being that some virus programs > don't like the look of expanding .exe files. Virus checkers I'd have thought. Just to be clear... > Seemed reasonable when I started Windows programming, by now transfer > speeds are such that we could probably all live without compressed > .exe's. I notice that there are still a lot of self-extracting .exe -type downloaded programs in that market, and the extracted files do count at a noticeably higher total number of bytes than the downloaded file was, so it suggests that programs supplied in that way are still compressed in many cases. That is probably just to save download times for those on slow connections; and perhaps versions supplied on CD (where that option exists) are not compressed? I don't know: just guessing. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 8 22:26:44 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTN8V-4E1000-02-Dvg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:26:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTN8V-4E1000-02-Dvg; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTN8V-4E1000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:16:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTN8S-0005zo-L1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:16:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DAF8CC608C; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:16:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id whDgosRzHTvt; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18D49CC2209; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:16:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E66D6CC5D1F for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:16:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GfhUFM4jsOiG for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB64CCC2209 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 17:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NTN89-0001sH-eF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:16:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:14:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=40loxRnltBpiaDE8LwgA:9 a=B87YFhvWMlnzUdzrOtcA:7 a=yCr4BqXX19S0igdhYRHNQO7n3lcA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=ZVqsMhM4n7a6aXxm:21 a=EMnI8P3Fh7ovfiWs:21 In message <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward writes >> (squeeze), less common on Windows. Point being that some virus programs >> don't like the look of expanding .exe files. >Virus checkers I'd have thought. Just to be clear... Is there a difference. >I notice that there are still a lot of self-extracting .exe -type >downloaded programs in that market Don't confuse two things. There have long been .exe files which when you run them extract a number of files and save them to disc. These are "self extracting archives", they hardly exist on RISC OS. What I'm talking about is .exe files on disc that have been installed and which you run when you want to do something - programs. The actual code that is executed is compressed, it loads, expands and then executes. Almost all the !RunImage files you have on your RISC OS computer do this - ARM code compresses well and it is faster to load a small file from floppy and then expand it. It appears that for OPW, the installer is a compressed .exe, the main OvnPro.exe is not. Your virus checker does not mind a .exe saving out data (self extract archive), what may upset it is seeing a .exe re-writing code and then executing it (compressed .exe). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 9 13:09:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTYhq-0JrVbs-07-Asr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:09:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTYhq-0JrVbs-07-Asr; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:38:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTYhq-0JrVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:38:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTYhl-0001hh-62 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:38:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40280CC6B8F; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 05:37:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qaLkC1e6LEtn; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 05:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 344E9CC6A94; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 05:37:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 05:37:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0480ECC6B41 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 05:37:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ki8VkPlNu1mQ for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 05:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E17BCC6A94 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 05:37:43 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 317575551/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/79.78.149.81/None/rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.149.81 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AikFAFbrR0tPTpVR/2dsb2JhbACBRNJXhC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,247,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="317575551" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-78-149-81.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com) ([79.78.149.81]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Jan 2010 10:37:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:37:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 Message-ID: <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1-ieghDlzYwaGZXKBEcA:9 a=Qwwmdxn79rP5Lcahd-oA:7 a=JqGtLCc-7E7K-qwJ-U8C8fF5aOMA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=ajzNVSzZaY7fS4Wc:21 a=qLBNqv5kw0pIlBCh:21 In article <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward > writes > >> (squeeze), less common on Windows. Point being that some virus > >> programs don't like the look of expanding .exe files. > >Virus checkers I'd have thought. Just to be clear... > Is there a difference. > >I notice that there are still a lot of self-extracting .exe -type > >downloaded programs in that market > Don't confuse two things. There have long been .exe files which when > you run them extract a number of files and save them to disc. These > are "self extracting archives", they hardly exist on RISC OS. > What I'm talking about is .exe files on disc that have been installed > and which you run when you want to do something - programs. The actual > code that is executed is compressed, it loads, expands and then > executes. Almost all the !RunImage files you have on your RISC OS > computer do this - ARM code compresses well and it is faster to load a > small file from floppy and then expand it. > It appears that for OPW, the installer is a compressed .exe, the main > OvnPro.exe is not. > Your virus checker does not mind a .exe saving out data (self extract > archive), what may upset it is seeing a .exe re-writing code and then > executing it (compressed .exe). Interestingly I also get the same error message when trying to install these fonts, even with my virus checker disabled :-( Could a non-compressed version of the installer be made available on a web site somewhere? (Or just the fonts without the installer?) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 9 13:24:45 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTbDU-1lXGPo-07-Gtj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:24:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTbDU-1lXGPo-07-Gtj; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:18:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTbDU-1lXGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:18:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTbDR-0002wd-EC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:18:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70EA8CC7D7F; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:18:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AKnTfNM0OUfz; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FD41CC6041; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 08:18:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38DCBCC7D83 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:18:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3rzaLuOPijoS for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEAF9CC5F4D for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NTbD7-0000Qw-oa for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:17:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=9OHtE7xjwu8YxbisijEA:7 a=ZWwHjWe6_T8GwBdpxAkihJBCeWYA:4 a=5woAYc_QDdv9cJA_:21 a=cApynF_Sp7ducW63:21 In message <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" writes >Interestingly I also get the same error message when trying to install >these fonts, even with my virus checker disabled :-( >Could a non-compressed version of the installer be made available on a >web site somewhere? (Or just the fonts without the installer?) This is my fault, virus checkers have nothing to do with problems installing fonts. I was talking about Dave Symes problems installing the main program. I have to make a pretence of being in business, so I can't just give the fonts away. When we get it all sorted out as open source, I'll give the fonts away too (assuming the font designer agrees (hi)). In the meantime, you could turn hacker as per my previous comments and extract the zip file from the .exe. Or wait until I get W7 and sort things out. My feeling is that the problem is running the font installer without enough admin rights, or the main program not being installed. I think Bernard has told us that the fonts can be installed in the normal way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 9 14:39:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTcHg-4T5000-06-FpX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:39:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTcHg-4T5000-06-FpX; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:27:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTcHg-4T5000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:27:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTcHc-0005Da-BJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:27:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0906BCC7D74; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:27:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsgvDbwiRvtW; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41ECCCC7D05; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 09:27:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10719CC7D26 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:27:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4JmT8pXkdNQj for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6761CC7D05 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:27:00 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIsgSEtUXeby/2dsb2JhbADVBIQvBA Received: from relay01.plus.net ([84.93.230.242]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 09 Jan 2010 14:26:59 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NTcHL-0002p8-Kd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:26:59 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:26:49 GMT Message-ID: <1c82f2d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: a4769ea91cdb94e90227e98bcc53975c X-archive-position: 2167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wpEsGOfCRFL-fiK07isA:9 a=688iedSpZLCzVWgna5gA:7 a=VgZdIVkn2eHhysU3u8p8oIP49IkA:4 a=zw6h1A24o64A:10 a=amC_h_Z-SfFszCNs:21 a=d8myA0bFJbZsuH4R:21 In message <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > My feeling is that the problem is running the font installer without > enough admin rights, or the main program not being installed. I think > Bernard has told us that the fonts can be installed in the normal way. Before I realised that the default Windows user didn't have administrator rights, I logged on as the actual Administrator user and then entered the OvPro registration details again as they had been lost, then I was able to install the OvPro fonts while still logged on as Adminstrator user. It was then that I discovered that the normal Windows user didn't have Administrator rights, so made it so, then when logged on to the normal Windows user, the new fonts didn't show, so I installed the OvPro fonts again under this user and it now worked and the fonts were available. It seemed to need OvPro being registered when logged on as the Administrator user. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 9 17:24:53 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTf08-1VSVbs-03-D75.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:24:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTf08-1VSVbs-03-D75; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:21:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTf08-1VSVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:21:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTezw-0005df-GF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:21:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AFCDCC78E0; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:21:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id juoHHFyTqRQX; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C2E2CC68CF; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 09 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6282BCC78B1 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bBkoQt9RW5N1 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D206CC68CF for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:20:52 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 317619577/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/79.78.149.81/None/rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.149.81 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswEAENKSEtPTpVR/2dsb2JhbACBRNJzhC8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,248,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="317619577" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-78-149-81.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com) ([79.78.149.81]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Jan 2010 17:20:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:19:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 Message-ID: <50d7025bdfrhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <1c82f2d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1c82f2d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3aT2w2nhx4BPPRMCA8EA:9 a=Xq5iy-diHvX-I9CldnwA:7 a=cZi7qTpdjgE6G6Bbz2j6QZpM1v0A:4 a=q-vBDUGbwiMNFzmX:21 a=WVH6ceAlcFXDiY6I:21 In article <1c82f2d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > > My feeling is that the problem is running the font installer without > > enough admin rights, or the main program not being installed. I think > > Bernard has told us that the fonts can be installed in the normal way. > Before I realised that the default Windows user didn't have > administrator rights, I logged on as the actual Administrator user > and then entered the OvPro registration details again as they had been > lost, then I was able to install the OvPro fonts while still > logged on as Adminstrator user. > It was then that I discovered that the normal Windows user didn't > have Administrator rights, so made it so, then when logged on to the > normal Windows user, the new fonts didn't show, so I installed the > OvPro fonts again under this user and it now worked and the fonts were > available. It seemed to need OvPro being registered when logged on as > the Administrator user. That seems to have solved it! I had previously registered my copy of OvationPro in a user with admin rights and the OvationPro Help/Register menu showed the application as Registered so I thought that was sufficient. However, when I tried running OvationPro using "Run as administrator" the Help/Register menu showed it as Unregistered so I registered it again and was then able to install the fonts. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 9 18:39:55 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NTg8l-4aaVbs-01-ByS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:39:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NTg8l-4aaVbs-01-ByS; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NTg8l-4aaVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NTg8i-0002Xx-AN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.13.163]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 12803CC79A2 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5932 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2010 18:34:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=P880XwZDj9jBnLXr8xQjgjlQQ0RF/W5vSdcESzD87bKDVoUjD3nQCYtMeg+X2XAH7JL+tZ+Fcq5uBpxXLvxCDLbJiOSiFMoZx2sAiwqWhxGIjLlI+/+oa5w5mP+peHThxR5DDpYVBRTgS+pFnNs1exz0XATvcnGJeEapDRY5OFA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO MartinPC) (martin.cawte@86.177.139.122 with login) by smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2010 18:34:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4M3xUayswBCMRXkL1C2x3g45rzyGh8Xa3n2z05._SVsavitmZ0mOOA-- X-YMail-OSG: QuR6.JAVM1nwXD8MQqWBq9saSX1_GNwvlN1kVoQn_AFCZ7idjulxr0i_KViD1_3Kno.GhZsuakDrIAwkLG4H1nwzWdmAcGnNdetBnVn_ZP4tisyDA.iioqLU3HtnnVnTwgP1vvTuIIVEUnY2SjaMg3ZbcnUGXbv8xO3ETXkF66.7jWV5qGF095x6WVzLAG9xM.LV1Opz5MZ.8I54aATgl3M2NqBHTtg0o9lqfubd9CaXO9vX5cK3Y3v5FJagteV7am6b6FFvEucqCciNaHIdKl_fOvO85tzSEdnMDQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Martin Cawte" To: References: <001e01ca907b$3c100360$b4300a20$@cawte> <15c388d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d692d8d9john@acornusers.org> <4Ir0bsLc56RLFwYS@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d6dd8519rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <2YM3vtAOHISLFwhx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1c82f2d650.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <50d7025bdfrhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <50d7025bdfrhnews@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW OP fonts in Windows 7 Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:33:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000001ca915a$4d8841e0$e898c5a0$@cawte@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcqRUCgeSGket/N6SwyjwxA78HT3BAACcmcg Content-Language: en-gb X-archive-position: 2169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.cawte@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zbg7vy1cDncA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2okbQViAcFDDWKh-1CEA:9 a=CnFJdWOWPto7GelxZg4A:7 a=JOU0R9M8pHjlOnXVpo7Hb_cGYtsA:4 That's the solution. It is not enough to be a user with administrator rights. You have to run OvnPro using the "Run as administrator" option and then register again. InstallFont.exe then works as it should. Thank you all. Martin Cawte Rob Hemmings wrote: > > That seems to have solved it! > > I had previously registered my copy of OvationPro in a user with admin > rights and the OvationPro Help/Register menu showed the application as > Registered so I thought that was sufficient. However, when I tried > running OvationPro using "Run as administrator" the Help/Register menu > showed it as Unregistered so I registered it again and was then able to > install the fonts. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Hemmings Southport > > rhnews@dsl.pipex.com > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 15 19:58:04 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NVsIm-1M0Vbs-07-CCh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:58:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NVsIm-1M0Vbs-07-CCh; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NVsIm-1M0Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NVsIg-0000k5-RV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D63D0CC8703; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0QrlYD4z1bpK; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDC4ACC867E; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC64ACC86DF for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4HgSu7oUHumZ for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62A0ECC867E for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A3AF87000098 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:57:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 971BF700009B for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:57:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from standalone. (unknown [91.105.235.10]) by mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 56AC87000098 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:57:24 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100115195724355.56AC87000098@mwinf3432.me.freeserve.com Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 9.0.725 [270.14.141/2622]); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:45:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-07EF6E7A=======" X-archive-position: 2170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=kY-WH6KaST-703X2wNYA:9 a=UTS5kt8VUgIsgrFeIbIA:7 a=4f6fqenp8I0vAj6mSQUP1qMekiwA:4 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=TT4ay2I5l_zzagcHwOsA:9 a=h778PNRMzPPtuwG1P9wA:7 a=XINTdiOkj3Lx6sQjUuH8x5UgW4wA:4 --=======AVGMAIL-07EF6E7A======= Content-Type: text/plain I wonder if someone could help me here? I am having to simplify my computing; what works well for me - a RisCube with VRPC installed - is too complex for my wife needing my frequent intervention - I need a one-platform solution, and this has to be Windows. I see two main problem areas - 1. DTP (I've looked through DP's website and don't see what I want). She is reasonably confident with OvPro, so I'd be happy to buy the Windows version. However, compatibility with people we correspond with means that we will need to be able to save as Word or OpenOffice files. Is this possible. I'd also want her to be able to save a pdf file. Is this possible? If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - of which I've no experience at all. 2. email/ newsgroups We've always used Pluto and find it superb (bought and tried Messenger 2 years ago but didn't suit us at all). We make extensive use of filters to get email in the correct boxes. Newsgroups are also important. Since we use Firefox on the pc, and have Thunderbird installed (but only used for sending out some email such as pics from the pc), that was my first thought. However, study of the help files - there seems no on-line manual - I can't see anything about the ability to personalise as we have Pluto. I presume I am missing something! Can anyone help? The alternative seems to use GoogleMail, which I've avoided but which my son uses with satisfaction. He's in the US so can't help directly. Can this be personalised anything like Pluto? Can I access ng using it? Any thoughts on these issues, or any wider issues that might be a problem would be most appreciated. I do have a limited time to get everything working pc-only. 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(5ac3346c.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1752705ewy.0.2010.01.15.12.20.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:20:05 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MheeZdXcrzIY7pSoAKAA:9 a=uRUqOVq04xzZx14JNs4A:7 a=TFdmzZ6PGmH1wSZa7rxrnTNQcXsA:4 On 15 Jan 2010, at 16:45, Colin Wood wrote:=20 > I am having to simplify my computing; what works well for me - a > RisCube with VRPC installed - is too complex for my wife needing my > frequent intervention - I need a one-platform solution, and this has > to be Windows.=20 >=20 > I see two main problem areas - >=20 > 1. DTP > (I've looked through DP's website and don't see what I want). > She is reasonably confident with OvPro, so I'd be happy to buy the > Windows version. However, compatibility with people we correspond > with means that we will need to be able to save as Word or OpenOffice > files. Is this possible. No, it would be nice if you could as well as RTF ... = but the only the options are or > I'd also want her to be able to save a pdf > file. Is this possible? Yes, if you have, e.g., CutePDF Writer + GhostScript (both open source) = installed on your PC. > If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - of > which I've no experience at all. >=20 >=20 > 2. email/ newsgroups >=20 > We've always used Pluto and find it superb (bought and tried > Messenger 2 years ago but didn't suit us at all). We make extensive > use of filters to get email in the correct boxes. Newsgroups are also > important. >=20 > Since we use Firefox on the pc, and have Thunderbird installed (but > only used for sending out some email such as pics from the pc), that > was my first thought. However, study of the help files - there seems > no on-line manual - I can't see anything about the ability to > personalise as we have Pluto. I presume I am missing something! Can > anyone help? >=20 > The alternative seems to use GoogleMail, which I've avoided but which > my son uses with satisfaction. He's in the US so can't help directly. > Can this be personalised anything like Pluto? Can I access ng using > it? I have no experience of Pluto, but Thunderbird works well and is quite = customisable. Also, there's a lot of online help available. Of course, = if you also had the Windows version of VRPC, you could continue to use = Pluto. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:01 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NVvRy-1ORknw-01-93V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:18:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NVvRy-1ORknw-01-93V; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:19:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NVvRy-1ORknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:19:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NVvRw-0003tH-Ll for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:19:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48D97CC8691; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HGYk54XZdHWV; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4834CC8619; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 711DACC862B for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8DuaqVMOO44H for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A16ECC8619 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NVvRf-0005XL-TJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:19:11 +0000 Received: from [92.233.175.52] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NVvRf-000336-Cf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:19:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:19:02 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.29i (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=pQs5aej7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=damf2kZbnNE1maCHICgA:9 a=tljjvA3e_pL8Ol-TjzAA:7 a=L-UdKQPsKDwCbUk7wkk2O2lQ1IIA:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 Colin Wood wrote: > I'd also want her to be able to save a pdf file. Is this possible? I don't know if OPW 'saves as pdf' but there are lots of packages around which you install as 'virtual printers' - that is they show up in the list of all the printers that Windows knows about - then when you print from ANY Windows application the virtual printer application generates PDF output. > If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - of > which I've no experience at all. I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for documents (perhaps those shared between people). I presume there's a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but I've no idea how powerful it is. How long/complex are the documents you need to work with? > 2. email/ newsgroups > > We've always used Pluto and find it superb but unsuported now, for years. > We bought and tried Messenger 2 years ago Do you mean the RO one or Intellegit's Gemini program (now rebranded as MP but nothing much to do with it)? I changed from Pluto to Gemini a while ago and it took me ages to get used to it. And it's not perfect but at least there is some ongoing development. It also has the advantage (I think) of working on Windows, Macs and Linux, so if you do make the effort to learn its ways at least you're not tieing yourself just to one platform for the future. I did look at Thunderbird a while ago and found the lack of manuals meant I couldn't realistically assess what it can do. Even when I started to use Gemini I ran my 'real' mail and news in Pluto under VRPC for months in parallel, until I was sure I understood Gemini's ways well enough. I'd not suggest anyone change mail/news client in one fell swoop. > Thunderbird: However, study of the help files - there seems no on-line > manual - I can't see anything about the ability to personalise as we have > Pluto. I presume I am missing something! Can anyone help? There's a mail-list called: support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org If you hunt around at: https://lists.mozilla.org/ you should be able to find details. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:08 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NVwzU-07DVbs-03-G2V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:18:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NVwzU-07DVbs-03-G2V; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:58:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NVwzU-07DVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:58:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NVwzR-0000b7-Fp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:58:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3F2CCC86DA; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:58:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IGt2daMH4Ewt; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18D4BCC8699; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E02E8CC86A4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9zPiPoYm06vY for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08CC0CC8699 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5351 invoked by uid 89); 16 Jan 2010 00:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 16 Jan 2010 00:57:43 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: inserting extra data at each line To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:57:32 +0800 Message-ID: References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tOyFE8BnR0oA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rxGYJt84ErdeHtq7WpsA:9 a=hRc2tpsvB8KQ2BhsMdcA:7 a=AdBKx-Ipn8c3okDZ4P4dkmwb1yUA:4 I have a list of items in an Edit (text) file that I would like to add an identifier to. ie as the lists are year based I'd like to combine them into a single list but need to be able to identify which year they came from eg SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg needs to be SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg P07 SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg P07 DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG P07 DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG P07 PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg P07 Is there any way this can be done short of inserting, manually, the addition data at the end of each line. I looked at applying a style but with no success. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:11 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW4Hj-0xTknw-03-8kG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:18:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW4Hj-0xTknw-03-8kG; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:45:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW4Hj-0xTknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:45:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW4Hf-0003Y4-HL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:45:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96925CC6803; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CY7JRxsw81Gp; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A27FCC65F1; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E29E7CC6630 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7E52GraQllV for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A17ECC65F1 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so1645212ewy.26 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.1.207 with SMTP id 15mr3515527ebg.45.1263631509038; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (188-179.dsl6.newtelsolutions.net [81.20.188.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2061267eyg.17.2010.01.16.00.45.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:45:08 -0800 (PST) References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: inserting extra data at each line Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:45:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tOyFE8BnR0oA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8QsI3ELZ31m_FhsdE_cA:9 a=oKr4vr1JzpQGairHLPIA:7 a=qwjr7gUj92fXfUwntrBG7pNF8tEA:4 On 16 Jan 2012, at 0:57, Ross McGuinness wrote: > I have a list of items in an Edit (text) file that I would like to add=20= > an identifier to. > ie as the lists are year based I'd like to combine them into a single=20= > list but need to be able to identify which year they came from > eg > SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg > SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG > PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg >=20 > needs to be > SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg P07 > SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg P07 > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG P07 > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG P07 > PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg P07 >=20 > Is there any way this can be done short of inserting, manually, the=20 > addition data at the end of each line. I looked at applying a style=20 > but with no success. In Edit, using f4 and Wildcarded expressions (where $ represents new = line), Find $ and replace with Hex09(for Tab)P07$ OR spacesP07$. If = every line requires P07, hit End of file replace; otherwise, hit Replace = for each appropriate line. Regards - MJT To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW4yG-2cEknw-03-GaF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:18:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW4yG-2cEknw-03-GaF; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:29:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW4yG-2cEknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:29:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW4yA-0001t4-DF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:29:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF4D6CC7A8D; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:29:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5kBtkZun1M3; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D219CC699E; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:28:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9023CCC7A34 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:28:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rmb5VLriiyzb for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E8E2CC7A31 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.110.188]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0G9SssC029253 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:28:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:27:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <50da71ef74dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=arXd2X8nAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gKfTs6eq07vEoW5fyfAA:9 a=pRLc6Pxyi2Aa-HyhnPQA:7 a=ZYEy02QBUYrvNOeGYTkcSSQBRS8A:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=NmUwMTqjLj5nrgrm:21 a=43lOp73VnemvTQ7b:21 In article , Jeremy Nicoll - freelists wrote: > Colin Wood wrote: > > I'd also want her to be able to save a pdf file. Is this possible? > I don't know if OPW 'saves as pdf' but there are lots of packages around > which you install as 'virtual printers' - that is they show up in the > list of all the printers that Windows knows about - then when you print > from ANY Windows application the virtual printer application generates > PDF output. [Snip] This is something I do quite often using Win Ovation Pro. As Jeremy notes you have a virtual printer installed, in my case PDFCreator (From Sourceforce, http://www.pdfforge.org/download latest version 0.9.9) This can then be selected from the Ovation Pro Print dialogue window in the same way you'd select a harware printer, and that's it. And as Jeremy also notes, once installed, the Virtual printer is available to print a PDF from almost any Windows application. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW50y-35Dknw-01-GXX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:18:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW50y-35Dknw-01-GXX; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:32:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW50y-35Dknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:32:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW50v-00074h-7D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:32:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75BB4CC870C; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1SI0dRZWDeDZ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ABC9CC7A34; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:31:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3031DCC7A8D for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:31:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tYBva60Mpq7F for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.melange.net (smtp.melange.net [212.59.199.15]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7C0ACC7A34 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.18.3.156] (helo=iy-corn.jacorn.attglobal.net) by smtp.melange.net with esmtp id 1NW50d-0006Sx-F1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:31:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: James K White X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.15) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jacorn@attglobal.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sVB3yzao2H8FcRc--B4A:9 a=HNIbAxA4MTPASKU-oyUA:7 a=XudeE6d_Q4yw1Y_JSJbvHbu-mJYA:4 a=TCVSi2EnKWl3Th21:21 a=kdFzvmaC8MAs8Y8a:21 In message <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > New RISC OS version: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > The file 'Changes277n' curiously has a datestamp of 2012, possibly indicating the end of an extended festive season ;-) -- James K White To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW5Co-0aZknw-08-GLh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:44:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B5A7CC8801 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:44:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0eNIExUDUK3G for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39DE5CC87B7 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.165.84]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0G9i3gZ029855 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:44:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:43:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: inserting extra data at each line Message-ID: <50da73754adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tOyFE8BnR0oA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=sCu9mXzQAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aT5htp_ABTRCquKoUVQA:9 a=QiRQ-pqKLVE8TvRv95IA:7 a=Nvnh-qiOz-vmhkB6H5phajElgAEA:4 a=C8mrrX0TPdoA:10 In article <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com>, Michael Talibard wrote: > On 16 Jan 2012, at 0:57, Ross McGuinness wrote: > > I have a list of items in an Edit (text) file that I would like to add > > an identifier to. > > ie as the lists are year based I'd like to combine them into a single > > list but need to be able to identify which year they came from > > eg > > SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg > > SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg > > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG > > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG > > PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg > > > > needs to be > > SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg P07 > > SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg P07 > > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG P07 > > DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG P07 > > PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg P07 > > > > Is there any way this can be done short of inserting, manually, the > > addition data at the end of each line. I looked at applying a style > > but with no success. > In Edit, using f4 and Wildcarded expressions (where $ represents new > line), Find $ and replace with Hex09(for Tab)P07$ OR spacesP07$. If > every line requires P07, hit End of file replace; otherwise, hit Replace > for each appropriate line. > Regards - MJT Might I also suggest... as you already have each entity/field separated by a comma, you insert a comma before the Hex09 in the Replace writable, so that at anytime you might want to, the list could be filetyped CSV and inserted into a Database or Spreadsheet. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:18:13 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW6lG-0C4Vbs-02-EnF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:18:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW6lG-0C4Vbs-02-EnF; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:24:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW6lG-0C4Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:24:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW6lF-0002hV-2I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:24:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A0ABCC758D; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:24:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yZY1VbVzp7zA; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92CC4CC7583; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:23:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56379CC758B for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:23:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SiMAHnjGa+9T for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE292CC7583 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:23:52 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACAxUUvUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADXZIQyBA Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2010 11:23:52 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NW6kx-00078k-TH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:23:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 6d3df4c30386a12dbd6ce21c131990f2 X-archive-position: 2178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=mHFh7uMkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U9OOu6Qh17fIKWGgXJgA:9 a=PaCq_s7w3l3Dw22c92oA:7 a=m-rsUOsc6pROwzi8r1_b6SzCuk8A:4 a=tcDiGDk7qbQA:10 In article <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net>, James K White wrote: > The file 'Changes277n' curiously has a datestamp of 2012, possibly > indicating the end of an extended festive season ;-) ... or an Iyonix without a fix for the RTC date bug! -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:33:01 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW7it-39UVbs-04-Dpc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:33:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW7it-39UVbs-04-Dpc; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:25:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW7it-39UVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:25:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW7iq-0003sD-Kn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97E07CC85C4; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id arch0DCuDcMy; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B42CCCC7626; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68561CC8151 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3M+G4Oed-yO for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EF86CC7626 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NW7iY-0003lE-oB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:25:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:24:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: inserting extra data at each line References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tOyFE8BnR0oA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=sCu9mXzQAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GRpyXA-6H9Qx0k80GYcA:9 a=gs7t-mfmYYx9FyS5X6QA:7 a=IfzMGMEjdCeuH-U7RbL830GIKJoA:4 a=C8mrrX0TPdoA:10 a=-5himS79-EmvsnSk:21 a=qqXSv-cCfvhDfwfa:21 In message <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com>, Michael Talibard writes >In Edit, using f4 and Wildcarded expressions (where $ represents new >line), Find $ and replace with Hex09(for Tab)P07$ OR spacesP07$. If >every line requires P07, hit End of file replace; otherwise, hit >Replace for each appropriate line. I'd imagine you could use the wild cards in OP to do the job too. Same technique search for end of line, replace with stuff+end of line. In OP you can start by marking a selection if you want to limit search/replace to a range of lines. You can also go much further, using macros and the script language, but the simple approach seems like it will solve the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:48:02 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW7q5-3RpVbs-04-DiQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:48:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW7q5-3RpVbs-04-DiQ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:33:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW7q5-3RpVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:33:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW7q2-0005fL-5m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:33:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E849CC8774; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4bFNlhPNrMhd; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88821CC82FE; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:32:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23FF0CC8364 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:32:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WtI74MyGAbMg for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF6C3CC82FE for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NW7pk-0000jI-kL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:32:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:31:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GiO5p-kER82-jcLOCYMA:9 a=a0P_-opLoFyP1IkpJY0A:7 a=ZQxRzwO-guhzNXhcTTbhUnWzrPEA:4 a=PNIbCnQWl01d7e7e:21 a=JLHojDTHPfLvI58V:21 In message <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >... or an Iyonix without a fix for the RTC date bug! An Iyonix. I did change the clock because it looked to be a few days out. The problem is if you get some time stamps wrong then programmers tools like make are likely to go wrong - so you fix a bug and the compiler never runs to fix the !RunImage. I know nothing of the RTC date bug. I rarely turn the machine on, and I suppose it is now old - 7 or 8 years?, amazing. This makes me wonder if the best policy would be to say "no more hardware support - i.e. scanner drivers" and shift everything to VRPC. I say that because if the Iyonix falls over it will take all the RISC OS source code with it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:48:02 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW7xS-1iPGPo-01-Db3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:48:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW7xS-1iPGPo-01-Db3; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:40:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW7xS-1iPGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:40:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW7xN-0000wg-Nn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:40:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D394CC8364; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XMnH6a0iG17c; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 805DFCC8220; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59923CC7E0A for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7yzDaWUl3gCp for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80929CC8220 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2774 invoked by uid 89); 16 Jan 2010 12:40:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 16 Jan 2010 12:40:23 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: inserting extra data at each line To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:40:00 +0800 Message-ID: <889483da50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com> <50da73754adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50da73754adave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tOyFE8BnR0oA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=sCu9mXzQAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mp9JxQ-2HU-XYkpWVowA:9 a=-I_E3fbVHMS4tL6B_qUA:7 a=G5T9xi3FXcQCOfySKFQF3NeuCI8A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=C8mrrX0TPdoA:10 a=6zgGfVGvAsRAqfz3:21 a=8EQlsO78UBNfwEHC:21 In message <50da73754adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <93E05162-9C61-4485-8BDF-CFCAE6F95637@talibard.com>, > Michael Talibard wrote: >> On 16 Jan 2012, at 0:57, Ross McGuinness wrote: >>> I have a list of items in an Edit (text) file that I would like to add >>> an identifier to. >>> ie as the lists are year based I'd like to combine them into a single >>> list but need to be able to identify which year they came from >>> eg >>> SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg >>> SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg >>> DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG >>> DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG >>> PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg >>> >>> needs to be >>> SVENSON, Judy, Dsc01316/jpg P07 >>> SVENSON, Beau , Dsc01317/jpg P07 >>> DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00940/JPG P07 >>> DAVENPORT, Barbara, DSC00941/JPG P07 >>> PATE, Geoff, DSC05360/jpg P07 >>> >>> Is there any way this can be done short of inserting, manually, the >>> addition data at the end of each line. I looked at applying a style >>> but with no success. >> In Edit, using f4 and Wildcarded expressions (where $ represents new >> line), Find $ and replace with Hex09(for Tab)P07$ OR spacesP07$. If >> every line requires P07, hit End of file replace; otherwise, hit Replace >> for each appropriate line. >> Regards - MJT > Might I also suggest... as you already have each entity/field separated by > a comma, you insert a comma before the Hex09 in the Replace writable, so > that at anytime you might want to, the list could be filetyped CSV and > inserted into a Database or Spreadsheet. Thanks to both Dave and Michael. That does exactly what I need. I started several years ago to collect images of the local townsfolk. Now I have so many I need an overall index to allow me to see who I have and who is missing. The only catch was that to combine the lists I'd lose their location i.e. which year set they belonged to. By doing this I can now instantly refer to the correct year. Combining the images into a single directory wasn't feasible as some images have duplicate names - as my camera has been through the cycle numerous times and has reused the same set of numbers. Thanks Ross > Dave -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 12:48:02 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW7z6-48V000-05-DZP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:48:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW7z6-48V000-05-DZP; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:42:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW7z6-48V000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:42:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW7z2-0007a0-6w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:42:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BDD8CC87BC; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bles+yxxKnrj; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B33FBCC8764; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CA3DCC8774 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LlD-TNkZiY+X for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB241CC8764 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3544 invoked by uid 89); 16 Jan 2010 12:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 16 Jan 2010 12:42:08 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:41:46 +0800 Message-ID: <40be83da50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sLeuFa4M5LO2ooirdgcA:9 a=qoZqJOopxIUKDhBN5RoA:7 a=Qo6hdQVHmP7gVg3JnYbO09c45aEA:4 a=Z-R1h08oZVvY0P6O:21 a=CwSzodLi30WEhrVM:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > writes >>... or an Iyonix without a fix for the RTC date bug! > An Iyonix. I did change the clock because it looked to be a few days > out. > The problem is if you get some time stamps wrong then programmers tools > like make are likely to go wrong - so you fix a bug and the compiler > never runs to fix the !RunImage. > I know nothing of the RTC date bug. I rarely turn the machine on, and I > suppose it is now old - 7 or 8 years?, amazing. Is there an Iyonix fix for the RTC date bug? > This makes me wonder if the best policy would be to say "no more > hardware support - i.e. scanner drivers" and shift everything to VRPC. I > say that because if the Iyonix falls over it will take all the RISC OS > source code with it. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 13:33:04 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW8hG-0O0000-03-CrF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:33:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW8hG-0O0000-03-CrF; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:28:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW8hG-0O0000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:28:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW8hD-0004qQ-2o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:28:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3E72CC87EE; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:28:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BLk68SG5A3k; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B969ACC691F; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:27:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CA71CC878F for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:27:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cHxBKI66-as3 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53FE6CC691F for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 08:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NW8gs-0008Qr-Pb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:27:47 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:27:10 GMT Message-ID: <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 2183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=_IpxF-FHAAAA:8 a=ykYT1N_1AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sLeuFa4M5LO2ooirdgcA:9 a=0kobEILnT0Ym1vTY8XIA:7 a=2IRqndSx-GUNiFKQjWJYFJ4xjS8A:4 On 16 Jan, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > The problem is if you get some time stamps wrong then programmers tools > like make are likely to go wrong - so you fix a bug and the compiler > never runs to fix the !RunImage. > I know nothing of the RTC date bug. I rarely turn the machine on, and I > suppose it is now old - 7 or 8 years?, amazing. There will be a proper fix when RISC OS 5.15 is officially released. In the meantime, you need to download and install Matthew Phillips' Clock Fixer from http://sinenomine.co.uk/software/clockfixer.zip In case you have any files saved prior to running the clock fixer, which will obviously have been saved with the wrong date stamp, you can run Alan Wrigley's UnTardis, which scans your hard drive and corrects the date stamps. You need to run Clock Fixer first, otherwise UnTardis doesn't work. UnTardis can be downloaded from http://www.alanwrigley.com/untardis > This makes me wonder if the best policy would be to say "no more > hardware support - i.e. scanner drivers" and shift everything to VRPC. I > say that because if the Iyonix falls over it will take all the RISC OS > source code with it. You don't have a back-up!?!?! -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------- "You ought to be bloody well hung!" "What do you mean, 'ought to be'?" To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 14:33:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW9gI-0PM000-02-BsD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:33:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW9gI-0PM000-02-BsD; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW9gI-0PM000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW9gF-0000JT-Uz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A5D2CC8737; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:31:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TNV6X58AJB64; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52F79CA87D8; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9417CC798D for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ZgNkLgDOdgt for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.13.163]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 57274CA87D8 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53975 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 14:30:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=iwHuuOI1JOeRaq+cd0DUAog69EpoHn16JeLokIjtNxvO7RZHCszk40fqyH8+ZEPgLFTW9typ2xjHFYl8e79uwl/mjv5TyyTSoH3ro0hdg7F9Z6myO3hkOZfUVgPgaFOobybmzUKeQJeFE48+kX1IvOswi5IouIV820bWcvGZl3w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO TEDLACEY2) (arthur7hr@86.139.254.247 with login) by smtp828.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2010 14:30:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: vF_WfI.swBC.YY_hcYzeEs2S0E.YtysqjaqPJxowKIW0og_ggA-- X-YMail-OSG: iS0LUJ4VM1lorSV82CkkC0_KEKrpiJHLYBzHKGXwrFz6FwBx7cmi0PYvtDAhQJ5w7cgcq_TxRY3dGgxUA7xLLLozdyK_yHm5aUqVNzQECtwl1LIJc5k5uHl5tIis8wurpbjGr05uov3nyUPWIZIDVz4pV4WUimbsrPfYsPdkcsQHSwhGQ8bziftB9XwqjD7G2i04qS2Qyg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> From: "ARTHUR LACEY" To: References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro and freelists. Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:30:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 2184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: arthur7hr@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=h_wzpkDMgnQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jamOVB-DjYYmKsu1UsUA:9 a=FQ1TrBf7pURxpKwRkgIA:7 a=bc72WfPVT9vrZaHb_EPFdeRKMA8A:4 I see plenty of posts to the list, but I never get any replies from David - I only see them if they are repeated in a subsequent message. Any ideas why? Ted Lacey - operating Windows XP and Outlook Express. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 15:03:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NW9yo-1Bi000-02-BZh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:03:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NW9yo-1Bi000-02-BZh; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:50:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NW9yo-1Bi000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:50:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NW9yk-0000l2-P1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:50:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3673CC85F8; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nyyRUNMjmEaW; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EA27CC8420; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 569D7CC8408 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSL2NQp9pTLf for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DD51CC81A3 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:50:00 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACJhUUtUXeby/2dsb2JhbADZA4QyBA Received: from relay01.plus.net ([84.93.230.242]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2010 14:49:58 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NW9yP-0007YE-Ut for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:49:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:49:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. Message-ID: <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: b86bba29092a202484f0592fd970f1a0 X-archive-position: 2185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZYp-YLI1KkFqD2JT7WEA:9 a=2pXK7p27WlBlvBABkeYA:7 a=8gdsJVEsLE_1GDn_ujsrerGmyHwA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 In article <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2>, ARTHUR LACEY wrote: > I see plenty of posts to the list, but I never get any replies from > David - I only see them if they are repeated in a subsequent > message. Any ideas why? Well, David's posts are no different to other posts - the headers look identical (other than the things you expect to differ for each post such as ID and sender). You haven't inadvertantly set up some kind of filter for David himself have you? -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 15:48:07 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWAnj-1Zcknw-06-Akm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:48:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWAnj-1Zcknw-06-Akm; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:42:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWAnj-1Zcknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:42:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWAnd-0002Ud-FR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:42:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 773B2CC8823; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDBjLAB1DN0W; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1967CC6F3F; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E7E2CC7823 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oDlRJmdHPmF7 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48D0DCC6F3F for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NWAnL-000548-X1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:42:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:41:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=-OKHhpOLTg_s2Ww2QAkA:9 a=6RU58ae-AKnHFXUplpUA:7 a=EHskQc6gK5S7hJZWsAJU1vnKDpkA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=Vr6NzxO-IBfVoCP8:21 a=0TPiTaUFM4F7Bu_9:21 In message <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >In article <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2>, > ARTHUR LACEY wrote: > >> I see plenty of posts to the list, but I never get any replies from >> David - I only see them if they are repeated in a subsequent >> message. Any ideas why? Well, postings are archived at: http://www.freelists.org/archive/davidpilling so you can see what is going on. As Chris just said beyond that favourite would be some sort of filtering by you or by your ISP. It seems unlikely that the list would filter postings by me to just one subscriber. Finally, would someone who likes quoting the whole of peoples messages when replying (to the irritation of others), please indulge themselves by quoting all this tripe, so Arthur can see it. 8-) (would it work if I quoted it) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 16 16:03:08 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWAv1-3gL000-08-AdU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:03:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWAv1-3gL000-08-AdU; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWAv1-3gL000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWAux-00006y-Of for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:50:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B8FBCC6FA5; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h9GsH2jQIfCb; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BB57CC6F73; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7706ECC6F79 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5MTYudN+PZmK for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A9E2CC6F73 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NWAug-0005zu-85 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:50:10 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NWAuf-0005BO-KL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:50:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:50:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. Message-ID: <50da94fc2cjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=ib-NvkqNH7l9ke1xOdsA:9 a=JjU2MEiG3nL416Kdog8A:7 a=1ugnDFhKr4ciHhKooc4GQzT-QvwA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=N6oSYav3p5LxTdba:21 a=6qVw6BW0p5fLrRfU:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > writes > >In article <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2>, > > ARTHUR LACEY wrote: > > > >> I see plenty of posts to the list, but I never get any replies from > >> David - I only see them if they are repeated in a subsequent > >> message. Any ideas why? > Well, postings are archived at: > http://www.freelists.org/archive/davidpilling > so you can see what is going on. As Chris just said beyond that > favourite would be some sort of filtering by you or by your ISP. > It seems unlikely that the list would filter postings by me to just > one subscriber. > Finally, would someone who likes quoting the whole of peoples messages > when replying (to the irritation of others), please indulge themselves > by quoting all this tripe, so Arthur can see it. > 8-) Oh, all right: as it's you ;-) > (would it work if I quoted it) No, if you are filtered out: it would be the same as your other messages at his end. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 15:26:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWOtr-4aFVbs-04-Dhg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:26:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWOtr-4aFVbs-04-Dhg; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:46:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWOtr-4aFVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:46:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWOtq-0006Qe-32 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:46:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D89CCC78B1; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5tbr0EorvsyI; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:46:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E41DCC7821; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33FBBCC782C for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4zVyGuPfn6j8 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.13.122]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B940DCC7821 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52702 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2010 06:45:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eMJzaL0DsDMX5Z3ArC3Z2pkXmF5e8QRr6RtcEHEwQBsV0xVr8crxypcliDD6XOgfyhoN7PK5RC5nP2C+CNSGhxzkhOBHGyhlqEZ2SNronQUnirxcvsx0YPeIu90v0b7xK0jHJR1ynkdibhFtQtJrlOZ9HvORn3qqJbe0ov0CnIY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO TEDLACEY2) (arthur7hr@86.139.254.247 with login) by smtp825.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 06:45:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: vF_WfI.swBC.YY_hcYzeEs2S0E.YtysqjaqPJxowKIW0og_ggA-- X-YMail-OSG: 3xlWpH4VM1mp6EVPmTuuOSQSUpcwLyg4JEU8nxeS43opMow64yLDUQjFc3SBFSNsgiMMeauSZMAl5FADa1f2XFJsYltdSYZw8ZqxnhcqRrYkIx8MbVisMk8g29MAXHHLOR867bojswfTBBJVWy1u11MG72iGWpXWx.e8YkHn_ZiRj7xqmXszjq14bjmTOhO8HN.D4d1i9w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "ARTHUR LACEY" To: References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50da94fc2cjohn@acornusers.org> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:46:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 2188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: arthur7hr@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6lrChOQCU46Mnzhrp-MA:9 a=gFCS4aTDcGKDCQze5qQA:7 a=W43vL7adJS7z1KO6qzT-DhBrMkIA:4 Thanks for the input and reminding me about the archives. I ahve now realised that I am not getting David's direct posts re upgrades, etc. So it is looking very likely that there is some filter that is causing the problem. I shall monitor the situation via the archive to make sure that it is only David's posts that are affected and then contact my server. No need to repeat posts as suggested which a practice that I deplore and will not encourage. At my age (nearly 89) with most of my marbles and in a care home because of physical disabilties, I really do appreciate seeing these posts and on other sites. For the record my first home computers were a ZX81 and a BBC way back in 1981. Best wishes to all, Ted Lacey To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 15:26:46 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWU3E-2dFknw-08-8YJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:26:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWU3E-2dFknw-08-8YJ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:16:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWU3E-2dFknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:16:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWU3B-0006ln-67 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:16:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 761E1CC6A3F; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:16:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fI-DaMIpfk5e; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8324CC69FE; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88F62CC6A4A for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xe7Zm08LJy14 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EF5BCC6A3F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:15:56 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,291,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="157686991" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2010 12:15:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515DC9A06B for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:15:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:15:55 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5q_HdP90hv4UjVZy000A:9 a=DBKjCWdw6--qei1scW4A:7 a=HnWFFWPLnO7CyXeJ3eoJJFLziYkA:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=qekuUMIFK44M4L10:21 a=PQtBBKPYZ9uXlyI2:21 On 15 Jan, Colin Wood wrote in message <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk>: > I wonder if someone could help me here? [snip] > If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - of which > I've no experience at all. [snip] > Since we use Firefox on the pc, and have Thunderbird installed (but only > used for sending out some email such as pics from the pc), that was my > first thought. However, study of the help files - there seems no on-line > manual - I can't see anything about the ability to personalise as we have > Pluto. I presume I am missing something! What do you mean by personalise? I'm writing this in M-Pro for Linux. It seems familiar enough to a RISC OS user. [snip] > The alternative seems to use GoogleMail, which I've avoided but which my > son uses with satisfaction. He's in the US so can't help directly. Can > this be personalised anything like Pluto? Can I access ng using it? This is all *way* off topic for this list. However, all of the software is free, and you can download it, install it and play with it yourself. You don't need our help to do that. As far as Google goes, just consider how happy you would be to allow the data you would be editing to get on to a remote server somewhere over which you have little or no control. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 15:26:46 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWUKu-3bCknw-04-Gn9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:26:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWUKu-3bCknw-04-Gn9; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWUKu-3bCknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWUKs-0000Lt-BL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:34:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8517CC84E1; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aPnYn1uW2QT6; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFB17CC84DB; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDAC6CC84E1 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K+X+IM+q7B-n for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69276CC84DB for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,291,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="157688617" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2010 12:34:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD1C9A06B for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:34:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:34:13 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <40be83da50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40be83da50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2GOl43IxWTHH8GwFrgsA:9 a=NBIVEnn3gzUs_0genDgA:7 a=DxEejLcew9FAXc7CTxQpb8FrX44A:4 a=pvojme6-oXwBbtsX:21 a=NGH85IAzqHlQsxmy:21 On 16 Jan, Ross McGuinness wrote in message <40be83da50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>: > Is there an Iyonix fix for the RTC date bug? Yes. A new OS will be out sometime soonish with the fix, and in the meantime there is ClockFixer: http://www.sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk/software/ -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 15:56:39 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWXK5-1puGPo-04-Dny.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:56:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWXK5-1puGPo-04-Dny; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWXK5-1puGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWXK2-0005RX-Kg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65EFACC6F42; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCY-tWpBZ80u; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFF9ACC6D77; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CB27CC6DFC for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u8-7nixWdBDa for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 628C7CC6D77 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NWXJl-0003p8-Wp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:45:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:42:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50da94fc2cjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2191 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=7kMXnqM1HAxrhbwDhPMA:7 a=RqnuGBw-GnVR_SuioLLuS2wixwMA:4 a=Muse886u-ckA:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=MiO0cw8bmdcut-W8:21 a=ERd7dSrjyNUKJWxw:21 In message , ARTHUR LACEY writes >At my age (nearly 89) I really do appreciate seeing these posts and on >other sites. For the record my first home computers were a ZX81 and a >BBC way back in 1981. I'm pleased to hear that. As list administrator I get a log of failed postings. I often think that I could perform a useful service by telling people when their email address was failing. Anyway, in the last log it looks like every btinternet.com address subscribed has failed. There's also a rash of yahoo addresses - but I'm not sure if every one. That was Jan 15 'Message Not Allowed' Things happen. I had a spell in December of trying to email someone @comcast, and comcast had black balled demon, every email was bounced as a tasty ham product. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 15:56:40 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWXNM-1GO000-03-Dkh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:56:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWXNM-1GO000-03-Dkh; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:49:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWXNM-1GO000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:49:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWXNJ-0002X9-LO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:49:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3B4ACC82DB; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:49:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SroPk0KltRcj; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3FDCCC6E81; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2BBCCC6EEC for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VLz+NcnuGf95 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E60ECC6E81 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NWXN1-00046P-hH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:48:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:47:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gE0BNbNa3VlRV01MJNoA:9 a=P0qZVqr3358iae3jYB4A:7 a=BRLh_XwqevAtKxZMNBkf9Heeq1gA:4 a=dmJoAv_bvhCNWIN1:21 a=QJW-3J95sHAOGbwl:21 In message , Steve Fryatt writes >As far as Google goes, just consider how happy you would be to allow the >data you would be editing to get on to a remote server somewhere over which >you have little or no control. That's the point... but sat on your hard disc it is subject to flood, fire and theft. Given the complexity of Windows, I doubt it is secure from remote attack either. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 17:41:43 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWZ7P-2t1000-07-C0e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:41:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWZ7P-2t1000-07-C0e; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:40:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWZ7P-2t1000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:40:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWZ7H-00054D-Fh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:40:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36CD5CC88C6; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2sRGldqBOLlB; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DAB0CC6B2F; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 704B2CC6C22 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHVMMJXLhBAg for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 06207CC6B2F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67013 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2010 17:40:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4+QETndQUoDpn/NXVoncmmK+WYLkiiPA0y7d1kd0AYNxB+TqoQFGIw5GXLupU2A9kTI8FvYs9e89R74RKxEokA0vSJKp+hWGAATiV0dIs4TL++eznqfdgFweBiu3lEFRVk+uQDRe8VKNkhehMLjaDCGmFM8bF1XPAI1KXXVjy2w= ; Received: from unknown (HELO standalone.) (sdhull@86.158.211.4 with login) by smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 17:40:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 5vkJlGeswBBKlX5JvkdmSClwzkIA7WLY4ylq6TR23cPRiFu10_xd2g-- X-YMail-OSG: XCRuIZgVM1noAMaxUg3ijut8zm_uRwdrgkHdgFYRl_4lBED9qwCrKlFdT7vgXsauG1RrIJ2btXG_LJk9GIjzAnBG8R.6xq5qysnKd40ItW9Cw0C6Fp9UOMmTVCJKyMyONJxxK0FSdFCmc46CFHwqfCurmlwakRjsGWgmD4zDxpnlqSCDj3FzNxzv7XjnDo4Hr2S.io7eVIL_.UuFiI7wme_xWWFX3lomEZ.0K5706t9L3G4eU6Xh1g3Zq4qPwhgI84_i94R0Qdn5cSM6XnnI8BEe10D7dV2PMsI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:40:22 GMT From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. Message-ID: <97ea22db50.Steve@btinternet.com> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50da94fc2cjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Created on RISC OS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2193 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sdhull@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pSfjoznEfZzfv4XKXSsA:9 a=oBCcgPS5ATo6E_BzbSAA:7 a=59mBS8IGl9llF-Y8xS2uaB7bazYA:4 a=Muse886u-ckA:10 a=D0jRaQfQK-UWhwrD:21 a=KLXyE8Z3baCsOHuW:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > >As list administrator I get a log of failed postings. I often think that >I could perform a useful service by telling people when their email >address was failing. That's interesting, it probably explains why my messages are not getting through to this list via my ISP, Btinternet.com. >Anyway, in the last log it looks like every btinternet.com address >subscribed has failed. There's also a rash of yahoo addresses - but I'm >not sure if every one. > >That was Jan 15 'Message Not Allowed' > >Things happen. I had a spell in December of trying to email someone >@comcast, and comcast had black balled demon, every email was bounced as >a tasty ham product. > > I wonder if this post will come through? My question to the list was/is; Is it a relatively easy and painless process to change the registration address on the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro? My old postal address is shown when I start up OP v2.77 but I would prefer it to show my new current address. Is this possible? Regards, Stephen. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 18:11:49 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWZQ9-1bzknw-03-Bhu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:11:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWZQ9-1bzknw-03-Bhu; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:00:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWZQ9-1bzknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:00:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWZQ5-0002K1-0u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:00:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AB07CC8464; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:00:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FgxPe4vzxq9m; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EEC8CC6DAF; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60442CC8408 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 43pDV6fWd+vE for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25EA8CC6DAF for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NWZPo-0001TD-gQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:59:56 +0000 Message-ID: <40m0EzD$+0ULFwzF@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:58:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50da94fc2cjohn@acornusers.org> <97ea22db50.Steve@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <97ea22db50.Steve@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=j-TeXhMdU3eYpGF-pzAA:9 a=m7EzhQ0D6PKWWPjK5Q0A:7 a=Z3ErS2gqNcqWKOBeugB1YI7I574A:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=yUU-ElGkg8PLS9vg:21 a=0bBBTBiYdWK12Mdp:21 In message <97ea22db50.Steve@btinternet.com>, sdhull@btinternet.com writes >Is it a relatively easy and painless process to change the >registration address on the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro? This is interesting. ISTR your message bounced from the list, and I sent you a personal reply. I then saw you send your message again, and I'm afraid I forgot about it. Anyway, I'll be happy to provide you with a replacement RegData file for your new address, if you let me know it. Messages will bounce from the list if they're sent from an address that is not subscribed - I have things set up this way to ensure that all the attractive financial offers go direct to me - one last week, in German, a member of the US forces with a few million dollars they need help getting out of the UK... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 18:57:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWZv3-0BAknw-02-BD0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:57:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWZv3-0BAknw-02-BD0; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:32:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWZv3-0BAknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:32:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWZux-0000yN-3i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:32:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3A82CC86CE; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:32:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Je528bX65qxm; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B87CC84AD; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:31:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB03FCC84D2 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8DJlEz8EGCqP for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.245]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 76B6BCC84AD for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 39323 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2010 18:31:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BAIbRg4RxOvk1NRjhzKoA87iOuhyC7BVqU2PZfKYCrT6AT8QEa6ypeFiyJ9BrXCnesKwdVaaEQAflM1N0XlZZQBELzXiCHE8GNnN7sVFRz4DtjyMsf/Jk1ZEy0xNs4pkfBhESRhZarQkIAwQBONGEHLs578Y31stS67ywpDeV28= ; Received: from unknown (HELO standalone.) (sdhull@86.158.211.4 with login) by smtp816.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 18:31:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 5vkJlGeswBBKlX5JvkdmSClwzkIA7WLY4ylq6TR23cPRiFu10_xd2g-- X-YMail-OSG: iCSBAHYVM1mJM.mIMSZz0v8aQe5buFbJ3MlM6va7nqxwW1M7Fxo7Por_0ni5mlPUlNeHf2BYpaYWgpbRiIYA3Po4wVFp3pGmOUlsqLlKa_1PfR4saxwIQY8EjKJGz1DCnlt2J6thy3o7QgeTmGLDwpNAzlIF1Gh_W7zDIidwcagLTbcUdNyJdeT35PE_21fNuJgF_UJqUk0nSE8Gh32iF5vX7HC6bt3iK7WWYqdByz5.z7loHHeCSqsKStGu.FVmFd1cJePTxzuL4NXQ7UIsdka_rTrFuQg31SY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:31:44 GMT From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro and freelists. Message-ID: <8d9e27db50.Steve@btinternet.com> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <804a72da50.jacorn@jacorn.attglobal.net> <50da7c98cdchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3ce687da50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <8DB2371A105A48D3947FFE2EDB6E4D38@TEDLACEY2> <50da8f76ddchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50da94fc2cjohn@acornusers.org> <97ea22db50.Steve@btinternet.com> <40m0EzD$+0ULFwzF@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <40m0EzD$+0ULFwzF@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Created on RISC OS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sdhull@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qPWL14q33qIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YA8L-9OdIY9SXRj_h9EA:9 a=ZeGaidP7H0Oyo1AaSVUA:7 a=Kjj__-424PVfOM1T4jNw9RR4iuwA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=DN4wvrbSvPPc7zrl:21 a=FkbnTxF0LZy22ZH6:21 In message <40m0EzD$+0ULFwzF@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >In message <97ea22db50.Steve@btinternet.com>, sdhull@btinternet.com >writes >>Is it a relatively easy and painless process to change the >>registration address on the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro? Brilliant, my message got through this time ;-) >This is interesting. ISTR your message bounced from the list, and >I sent you a personal reply. I then saw you send your message >again, and I'm afraid I forgot about it. No problem, like you I also get huge amounts of unsavoury spam and I might have deleted your reply this end without realising, sorry. >Anyway, I'll be happy to provide you with a replacement RegData >file for your new address, if you let me know it. Excellent, I am not sure which email address to sent it to so perhaps you would be kind enough to email me off list so I can provide you with my new home address privately? >Messages will bounce from the list if they're sent from an >address that is not subscribed - I have things set up this way to >ensure that all the attractive financial offers go direct to me - >one last week, in German, a member of the US forces with a few >million dollars they need help getting out of the UK... > > I keep getting offers to make me a millionaire too, sadly though its not likely to ever happen. Regards, Stephen. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 21:27:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWcLY-1GOVbs-08-8mV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:27:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWcLY-1GOVbs-08-8mV; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWcLY-1GOVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWcLO-0000kr-BQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEA49CC869D; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wp33CMMKuacJ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B686CC7E3C; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9AABCC8053 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s79Jz8tBotEG for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F0E1CC7E3C for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7FD8C700008F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:07:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 738CA7000093 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:07:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from standalone. (unknown [91.105.235.10]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 35E92700008F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:07:14 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117210714220.35E92700008F@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 9.0.725 [270.14.147/2628]); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-33DC30EA=======" X-archive-position: 2196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=pQs5aej7AAAA:8 a=1JoOmuI0DI7ldSSH-0EA:9 a=9EnE8f_Q9CGynVz88U0A:7 a=jggClZo3gGYQEhA-D1VI5HsRusMA:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=qHB69H9913iQ5MCT:21 a=DlmVvtgk1o02cZZq:21 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=WKSMRrtgpU8mEn-SXowA:9 a=h778PNRMzPPtuwG1P9wA:7 a=Rns8Lat5nv5jq5KyZ4GjBjqPEyEA:4 --=======AVGMAIL-33DC30EA======= Content-Type: text/plain In article , Jeremy Nicoll - freelists wrote: > Colin Wood wrote: > > I'd also want her to be able to save a pdf file. Is this possible? > I don't know if OPW 'saves as pdf' but there are lots of packages > around which you install as 'virtual printers' - that is they show > up in the list of all the printers that Windows knows about - then > when you print from ANY Windows application the virtual printer > application generates PDF output. Yes, I have Cutepdf writer which iirc I have used for this purpose. > > If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - > > of which I've no experience at all. > I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for > documents (perhaps those shared between people). I presume there's > a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but > I've no idea how powerful it is. > How long/complex are the documents you need to work with? Writing letters of just a few pages. > > > 2. email/ newsgroups > > > > We've always used Pluto and find it superb > but unsuported now, for years. > > We bought and tried Messenger 2 years ago I should have said Messenger Pro from RComp, 5.13 in fact. > Do you mean the RO one or Intellegit's Gemini program (now > rebranded as MP but nothing much to do with it)? I changed from > Pluto to Gemini a while ago and it took me ages to get used to it. > And it's not perfect but at least there is some ongoing development. > It also has the advantage (I think) of working on Windows, Macs and > Linux, so if you do make the effort to learn its ways at least > you're not tieing yourself just to one platform for the future. > I did look at Thunderbird a while ago and found the lack of manuals > meant I couldn't realistically assess what it can do. > Even when I started to use Gemini I ran my 'real' mail and news in > Pluto under VRPC for months in parallel, until I was sure I > understood Gemini's ways well enough. I'd not suggest anyone > change mail/news client in one fell swoop. Yes, but that's more or less what I'm going to have to do. > > Thunderbird: However, study of the help files - there seems no > > on-line manual - I can't see anything about the ability to > > personalise as we have Pluto. I presume I am missing something! > > Can anyone help? > There's a mail-list called: support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org > If you hunt around at: https://lists.mozilla.org/ you should be > able to find details. Thanks - will do - strange that there doesn't seem to be some sort of manual, even to get started. -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / VirtualRPC-Adjust _______________________________/ Risc OS 6.16 --=======AVGMAIL-33DC30EA======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-11125B27=======" --=======AVGMAIL-11125B27======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "Certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.147/2628 - Release Date: 01/17/10 = 07:35:00 --=======AVGMAIL-11125B27=======-- --=======AVGMAIL-33DC30EA=======-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 21:27:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWcLd-3qLVbs-03-8mQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:27:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWcLd-3qLVbs-03-8mQ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWcLd-3qLVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWcLW-00036V-B4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311A5CC840A; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u6h6hhRZE2WN; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91096CC841C; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68E24CC840A for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lozT1cmd9ALC for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF66DCC84AD for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4C0BF700008F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:07:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4044B7000094 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:07:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from standalone. (unknown [91.105.235.10]) by mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 008EB700008F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:07:24 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117210725239.008EB700008F@mwinf3511.me.freeserve.com Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 9.0.725 [270.14.147/2628]); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:07:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <50db35d18ccolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-61BD628F=======" X-archive-position: 2197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fgldOBvxEwKgTLDCFnkA:9 a=djpHAl0C-3DTaUDw8-sA:7 a=zh2vj8TuGw9zLqnwi3EQja0BfkMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=QqBlg1NpUMsUloP6:21 a=tbvY5LzxUKLjt188:21 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=WKSMRrtgpU8mEn-SXowA:9 a=h778PNRMzPPtuwG1P9wA:7 a=Rns8Lat5nv5jq5KyZ4GjBjqPEyEA:4 --=======AVGMAIL-61BD628F======= Content-Type: text/plain In article , Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 15 Jan 2010, at 16:45, Colin Wood wrote: > > I am having to simplify my computing; what works well for me - a > > RisCube with VRPC installed - is too complex for my wife needing > > my frequent intervention - I need a one-platform solution, and > > this has to be Windows. > > > > I see two main problem areas - > > > > 1. DTP (I've looked through DP's website and don't see what I > > want). She is reasonably confident with OvPro, so I'd be happy to > > buy the Windows version. However, compatibility with people we > > correspond with means that we will need to be able to save as > > Word or OpenOffice files. Is this possible. > No, it would be nice if you could as well as RTF > ... but the only the options are or > > > I'd also want her to be able to save a pdf file. Is this possible? > Yes, if you have, e.g., CutePDF Writer + GhostScript (both open > source) installed on your PC. Thanks - I've used the former without afaik Ghostscript. > > If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - > > of which I've no experience at all. > > > > > > 2. email/ newsgroups > > > > We've always used Pluto and find it superb (bought and tried > > Messenger 2 years ago but didn't suit us at all). We make > > extensive use of filters to get email in the correct boxes. > > Newsgroups are also important. > > > > Since we use Firefox on the pc, and have Thunderbird installed > > (but only used for sending out some email such as pics from the > > pc), that was my first thought. However, study of the help files > > - there seems no on-line manual - I can't see anything about the > > ability to personalise as we have Pluto. I presume I am missing > > something! Can anyone help? > > > > The alternative seems to use GoogleMail, which I've avoided but > > which my son uses with satisfaction. He's in the US so can't help > > directly. Can this be personalised anything like Pluto? Can I > > access ng using it? > I have no experience of Pluto, but Thunderbird works well and is > quite customisable. Also, there's a lot of online help available. > Of course, if you also had the Windows version of VRPC, you could > continue to use Pluto. Thanks, but we won't have this luxury - I reckon that I'll have to switch to pc only at one go, although my wife will be able to look back on old emails, ng etc in Pluto. > ========================================== C.B. > ========================================== > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > --=======AVGMAIL-2CCB6971======Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4E6B71BA=======" -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / VirtualRPC-Adjust _______________________________/ Risc OS 6.16 --=======AVGMAIL-61BD628F======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-7F133E95=======" --=======AVGMAIL-7F133E95======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "Certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. 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(5ac334b4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1719085eya.3.2010.01.17.13.24.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:24:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:24:25 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <202A57AE-42B0-491F-9899-D3972E197F7D@ed.ac.uk> References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=pQs5aej7AAAA:8 a=SS3UPUxPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R2vROhOUgivyi06wIfwA:9 a=0jmm94PvgpMyot7GTwYA:7 a=LFdTic3llNRP280RTmXZ34YkZzYA:4 a=FQAJFbLru2wA:10 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=4mCm3ff5Ia9HORaz:21 a=E2QndsFeZIqKHNsC:21 On 17 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Colin Wood wrote: > In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists > wrote: >=20 >> Colin Wood wrote: >>> Thunderbird: However, study of the help files - there seems no >>> on-line manual - I can't see anything about the ability to >>> personalise as we have Pluto. I presume I am missing something! >>> Can anyone help? >=20 >> There's a mail-list called: support-thunderbird@lists.mozilla.org=20 >=20 >> If you hunt around at: https://lists.mozilla.org/ you should be >> able to find details. >=20 > Thanks - will do - strange that there doesn't seem to be some sort of > manual, even to get started. No official manual, but it's such a widely used email client, that there = are lots of "unofficial manuals" available online, for example: = http://www.columbia.edu/acis/software/thunderbird/basics.html =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 21:42:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWcro-2ThVbs-02-Gml.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:42:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWcro-2ThVbs-02-Gml; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:41:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWcro-2ThVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:41:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWcrl-0006ZC-Bg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:41:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64A5CCC8718; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KfNkgmvKQmCv; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B81BBCC6E54; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95F28CC7AE3 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBz7Mt2teATv for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.144]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48241CC6E54 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so399508eyw.22 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.42.139 with SMTP id s11mr2940280ebe.59.1263764439852; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:40:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334b4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm961258ewy.4.2010.01.17.13.40.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:40:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:40:38 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7C00A2FA-9796-4F55-8FE1-8CC00A9729F9@ed.ac.uk> References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kNn9tDAoYx-i67YUsE0A:9 a=f9qV9YOjqXiJx4IhnbgA:7 a=zVg9e12ILOlEK39gxUs9PhM5tTcA:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=9SrB4O-9qtDNF4vK:21 a=egIruaQi6etOV4R3:21 On 17 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Colin Wood wrote: > In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists > wrote: >=20 >> Colin Wood wrote: >> I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for >> documents (perhaps those shared between people). I presume there's >> a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but >> I've no idea how powerful it is. >=20 >> How long/complex are the documents you need to work with? > Writing letters of just a few pages. GoogleDocs is quite powerful, but very easy to use. Also, the document = you are editing can be saved ("downloaded") onto your desktop PC in = various formats -- Word, RTF, Open Office, HTML, Text, or even PDF. So, = you don't need a separate PDF creator. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 21:56:52 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWctF-3Ak000-05-GlK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:56:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWctF-3Ak000-05-GlK; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:42:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWctF-3Ak000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:42:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWctB-0006XY-Ru for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:42:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F663CC840A; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YojV0IEn8gSS; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E33FCC7A2C; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A62DCC7AE3 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id poBBpX9-Ll+i for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5786CC7A2C for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3503.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B3EA37000093 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:42:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3503.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A70837000096 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:42:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from standalone. (unknown [91.105.235.10]) by mwinf3503.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 63CA67000093 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:42:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20100117214210408.63CA67000093@mwinf3503.me.freeserve.com Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 9.0.725 [270.14.147/2628]); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:41:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:41:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <50db38fd01colin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-3EF07048=======" X-archive-position: 2200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=Po2Alu0NQPmuTm71ATMA:9 a=vjLXjfMYEEFhnE_ZjAYA:7 a=v4WF_IkZbrJHoM9l2yhNlcte8X4A:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=flQymQUQHcy4cPrL:21 a=oiUJhYSgf10iPODS:21 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=WKSMRrtgpU8mEn-SXowA:9 a=h778PNRMzPPtuwG1P9wA:7 a=Rns8Lat5nv5jq5KyZ4GjBjqPEyEA:4 --=======AVGMAIL-3EF07048======= Content-Type: text/plain In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 15 Jan, Colin Wood wrote in message > <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk>: > > I wonder if someone could help me here? > [snip] > > If not, the over-complex OpenOffice? or what about GoogleDocs - > > of which I've no experience at all. > [snip] > > Since we use Firefox on the pc, and have Thunderbird installed > > (but only used for sending out some email such as pics from the > > pc), that was my first thought. However, study of the help files > > - there seems no on-line manual - I can't see anything about the > > ability to personalise as we have Pluto. I presume I am missing > > something! > What do you mean by personalise? using filters or whatever to get mail into 34 different boxes, plus mailing lists plus ng. > I'm writing this in M-Pro for Linux. It seems familiar enough to a > RISC OS user. Familiar, yes, but as I said I couldn't get my head round it - learning curve too steep or whatever - and I had some off-list emails from others who'd tried to make the transition from Pluto which made me give it up ... and yes, I know it's being developed and is well thought of by its users. > [snip] > > The alternative seems to use GoogleMail, which I've avoided but > > which my son uses with satisfaction. He's in the US so can't help > > directly. Can this be personalised anything like Pluto? Can I > > access ng using it? > This is all *way* off topic for this list. However, all of the > software is free, and you can download it, install it and play with > it yourself. You don't need our help to do that. > As far as Google goes, just consider how happy you would be to > allow the data you would be editing to get on to a remote server > somewhere over which you have little or no control. All these points taken, but I am in quite exceptional circumstances at the moment and need the help urgently. I have responded in detail to Steve, whose help to me in the past has been much appreciated, off-list. Thanks to all who have tried to help - any further ideas/ recommendation would be most helpful. Regards to all, -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / VirtualRPC-Adjust _______________________________/ Risc OS 6.16 --=======AVGMAIL-3EF07048======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-464B041F=======" --=======AVGMAIL-464B041F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "Certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.147/2628 - Release Date: 01/17/10 = 07:35:00 --=======AVGMAIL-464B041F=======-- --=======AVGMAIL-3EF07048=======-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 17 22:11:52 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWdJG-1PKGPo-03-GLJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:11:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWdJG-1PKGPo-03-GLJ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWdJG-1PKGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWdJD-0002ec-34 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:09:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C41BCC8543; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XeMU7zzrlQoG; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83673CC7B55; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 625A0CC7D6F for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q2kYu2w+YSoz for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0244BCC7B55 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:09:06 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,292,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="164595724" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2010 22:09:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28F125A001 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:09:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:09:07 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50db38fd01colin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <50db38fd01colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nASUqm1rBzM-Im1wbGQA:9 a=7wdRlIxbErQM7BXO0SUA:7 a=SI4D7qPR2EaomCOTmxGeOr2UDREA:4 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=VyxXgB8J-A49Rfrc:21 a=uhQxcC19a7_ULope:21 On 17 Jan, Colin Wood wrote in message <50db38fd01colin@mel-dr.co.uk>: > In article , Steve Fryatt > wrote: > > > What do you mean by personalise? > using filters or whatever to get mail into 34 different boxes, plus > mailing lists plus ng. > > > I'm writing this in M-Pro for Linux. It seems familiar enough to a RISC > > OS user. > Familiar, yes, but as I said I couldn't get my head round it - learning > curve too steep or whatever If you want mailing list support, then your choice is going to be severely limited otherwise -- it's not common amongst the mainstream (ie. developed and supported) clients AFAICT. I migrated my email from RISC OS four months ago, so I'm not completely unfamiliar with the options. Thunderbird can filter and thread mailboxes, and is a good client, but it does not have mailing list support in the sense that an M-Pro (and I assume Pluto) user would know. And as a final thought, if you plan to keep your old emails: allow a *lot* of time for the migration. It took about a month to complete the process here, although that was 10 years' worth of the things that needed exporting from M-Pro, moving across the network and converting into a new storage format. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 18 18:07:22 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NWvu1-4Gcknw-04-Ena.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:07:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NWvu1-4Gcknw-04-Ena; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:00:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NWvu1-4Gcknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:00:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NWvtx-0007C0-Bg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:00:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEF6FCC8AF7; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YfAdt82W1BZk; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C541CC7FBA; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6B9DCC8A7A for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id InxSMTezl00F for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from al.netweaver.net (al.netweaver.net [78.129.250.121]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8CECACC8AF6 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15797 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2010 18:00:15 -0000 Received: from 213-152-32-201.dsl.eclipse.net.uk (HELO ?192.168.1.64?) (martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk@213.152.32.201) by al.netweaver.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2010 18:00:15 -0000 Message-ID: <4B54A1B3.4000000@eclipse.co.uk> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:00:19 +0000 From: Martin Longley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <7C00A2FA-9796-4F55-8FE1-8CC00A9729F9@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <7C00A2FA-9796-4F55-8FE1-8CC00A9729F9@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000600010307090002090802" X-archive-position: 2202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=HATPMwiSAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=2AcHzTfs8uR7l_Cu4qAA:9 a=ihq2xv9VRVdk2oaYomQA:7 a=hudDnX65Mg4TnXc_wp2bdzl3P1gA:4 a=TNx2m9-nkVoA:10 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=QhaLWLxCntldlthD:21 a=NmhNCzBajgc7VxHl:21 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=ovTQseO9TZ6cW3QddiUA:9 a=tE5XixCX0syZRAkA92kA:7 a=je63I-o2uaR_D7TIAq7-LSlDuOAA:4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000600010307090002090802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 17 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Colin Wood wrote: > > >> In article , >> Jeremy Nicoll - freelists >> wrote: >> >> >>> Colin Wood wrote: >>> > > >>> I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for >>> documents (perhaps those shared between people). I presume there's >>> a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but >>> I've no idea how powerful it is. >>> >>> How long/complex are the documents you need to work with? >>> >> Writing letters of just a few pages. >> > > GoogleDocs is quite powerful, but very easy to use. Also, the document you are editing can be saved ("downloaded") onto your desktop PC in various formats -- Word, RTF, Open Office, HTML, Text, or even PDF. So, you don't need a separate PDF creator. > > Alternatively, use j2e.com - individuals use for free (schools pay an annual sub). Easiest way in the universe to make web pages that can include everything from text and pictures to RSS feeds and animations. Martin Longley __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4783 (20100118) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --------------000600010307090002090802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clive Bonsall wrote: 
On 17 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Colin Wood wrote:

  
In article <gemini.kwba3q009f0zt01yw@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
  Jeremy Nicoll - freelists <jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:

    
Colin Wood <colin@mel-dr.co.uk> wrote:
      

  
I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for
documents (perhaps those shared between people).  I presume there's
a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but
I've no idea how powerful it is.
      
How long/complex are the documents you need to work with?
      
Writing letters of just a few pages.
    

GoogleDocs is quite powerful, but very easy to use. Also, the document you are editing can be saved ("downloaded") onto your desktop PC in various formats -- Word, RTF, Open Office, HTML, Text, or even PDF. So, you don't need a separate PDF creator.
Alternatively, use j2e.com - individuals use for free (schools pay an annual sub). Easiest way in the universe to make web pages that can include everything from text and pictures to RSS feeds and animations.

Martin Longley



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(5ac334b4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1753828ewy.12.2010.01.18.11.05.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--81010696 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:05:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4B54A1B3.4000000@eclipse.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <50da1633f0colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <50db356c38colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <7C00A2FA-9796-4F55-8FE1-8CC00A9729F9@ed.ac.uk> <4B54A1B3.4000000@eclipse.co.uk> Message-Id: <193AF0F6-6EEB-4A11-8996-84B81B4B51AC@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=MpdEmYjlAAAA:8 a=HATPMwiSAAAA:8 a=sPD9u7na6MMV6j_SxN4A:9 a=MOoFJy-d_kyn1QQgsIeR2Z82N7MA:4 a=TNx2m9-nkVoA:10 a=ez4MRQSbDz8A:10 a=m8wH6DuHwCOx5Mi2:21 a=mvLDfFfEJ_sCAU3N:21 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=ovTQseO9TZ6cW3QddiUA:9 a=MZ6JXk3h5jKGtexyeqYA:7 a=3w2F99RYQfZP513pI0-FPDSUepMA:4 a=zSN5Oo3oIVIA:10 --Apple-Mail-2--81010696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 18 Jan 2010, at 18:00, Martin Longley wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: >>=20 >> On 17 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Colin Wood wrote: >>=20 >> =20 >>> In article , >>> Jeremy Nicoll - freelists >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>> Colin Wood wrote: >>>> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>>> I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for >>>> documents (perhaps those shared between people). I presume there's >>>> a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but >>>> I've no idea how powerful it is. >>>> =20 >>>> How long/complex are the documents you need to work with? >>>> =20 >>> Writing letters of just a few pages. >>> =20 >>=20 >> GoogleDocs is quite powerful, but very easy to use. Also, the = document you are editing can be saved ("downloaded") onto your desktop = PC in various formats -- Word, RTF, Open Office, HTML, Text, or even = PDF. So, you don't need a separate PDF creator. >>=20 >> =20 > Alternatively, use j2e.com - individuals use for free (schools pay an = annual sub). Easiest way in the universe to make web pages that can = include everything from text and pictures to RSS feeds and animations. Interesting ... but can you save as WORD and PDF, which I think are key = requirements for Colin? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --Apple-Mail-2--81010696 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On 18 Jan 2010, at 18:00, Martin Longley wrote:

Clive Bonsall wrote: 
On 17 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Colin Wood wrote:

  
In article <gemini.kwba3q009f0zt01yw@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>,
  Jeremy Nicoll - freelists <jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk>
wrote:

    
Colin Wood <colin@mel-dr.co.uk> wrote:
      

  
I believe GoogleDocs is mainly an online dumping ground for
documents (perhaps those shared between people).  I presume there's
a editor or wp or DTP program accessed through a web interface but
I've no idea how powerful it is.
      
How long/complex are the documents you need to work with?
      
Writing letters of just a few pages.
    

GoogleDocs is quite powerful, but very easy to use. Also, the document you are editing can be saved ("downloaded") onto your desktop PC in various formats -- Word, RTF, Open Office, HTML, Text, or even PDF. So, you don't need a separate PDF creator.
Alternatively, use j2e.com - individuals use for free (schools pay an annual sub). Easiest way in the universe to make web pages that can include everything from text and pictures to RSS feeds and animations.

Interesting ... but can you save as WORD and PDF, which I think are key requirements for Colin?
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--Apple-Mail-2--81010696-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 19 12:28:23 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXD8c-3FHknw-05-Ec1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:28:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXD8c-3FHknw-05-Ec1; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXD8c-3FHknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXD8a-0005ue-2W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5609ACC8B4C; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RZfSSyvdH4px; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83632CC8B18; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 534A7CC8B4B for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnPn4oQRPay0 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18C5ACC8B18 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXD8I-0005cu-pT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:24:31 +0000 Message-ID: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 12:22:53 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] PagePal 1.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=eUAKGS0Iuilx5ggkt6EA:7 a=h0QfCI4DuFtWYjVFg7rg-yLH3OMA:4 a=pV8fl4M3eV_zMmQ9:21 a=k_-cMR3hgh-xVs3T:21 Hi, The page palette applet sometimes gets stuck on pages. Fixed versions. RISC OS: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/applets/files/page.zip Windows: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Applets/PagePal.oap -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 19 23:02:04 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXMrE-446knw-01-DPv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:02:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXMrE-446knw-01-DPv; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:47:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXMrE-446knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:47:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXMr6-0003hT-Rk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:47:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03038CC6C93; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6HLW6HiYhymO; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DCEDCC6BB1; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4304CCC6BCD for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2YgY57PuvbR9 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56EBBCC6BB1 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF3C2AB0DE for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:45:31 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA2DDBAFE for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:45:31 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6NxnSWHauiq7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:45:31 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4D3DBADB for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:45:20 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:45:19 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KIPJlfgMDGvgTOidL2cA:9 a=1nAQ_txyg-Lm4slOFCUA:7 a=1EXYCwW6qlYacTmjFXRZXYr6kP8A:4 a=uYYjqqUpBW3K-Gax:21 a=wjQc4ubRqyNaI72K:21 In article <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > The page palette applet sometimes gets stuck on pages. Fixed versions. Thank you, David. Might the 'sticking' have anything to do with the display of page numbers in the Print window? Since the latest 2.77 version there have been two occasions when the page number shown was wildly incorrect - always after having printed a multi-page document - then loading and wanting to print a single sided document. This has only happened to me twice, but on the first occasion the number 12 and on the next the number 3 were shown. The documents I had previously printed both, it so happens, had 24 pages. The single page seemed to print OK, however! Has anyone else had this difficulty? Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 11:54:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXVb5-1F8Vbs-03-DCa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:54:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXVb5-1F8Vbs-03-DCa; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:07:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXVb5-1F8Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:07:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXVb1-0003aj-WE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:07:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00B96CC90D0; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1MiSR2w2t5vX; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31BC6CC9088; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77DD5CC90C2 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V+PFYJFm9IvR for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F0FECC9088 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:07:06 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisJADtIVkvUnw4T/2dsb2JhbACCNtQzhDYEiTo Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 08:07:02 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NXVag-0008NT-HU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:07:02 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 To: David Pilling From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:06:49 GMT Message-ID: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: afdf4a9aa8e6a775b4fac70062823630 X-archive-position: 2206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FuiKeS7JvxMGnfywj_IA:9 a=EPhte8BUJElgH8SsnOMA:7 a=Luuna2nTu8qdpvwkJ-k3dhw_liwA:4 a=0cS1O8BZJ_zR9EMJ:21 a=dWr4DiHp94QiYR_B:21 In message <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > The page palette applet sometimes gets stuck on pages. Fixed versions. > RISC OS: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/applets/files/page.zip > Windows: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Applets/PagePal.oap Thanks for the two upgrades David. -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 11:54:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXW5i-2wVVbs-06-Chx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:54:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXW5i-2wVVbs-06-Chx; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:39:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXW5i-2wVVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:39:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXW5f-0000Pb-9W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:39:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD474CC917D; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:39:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GbzlKdxh1Cpb; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2683CCC90FF; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:38:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F145FCC9139 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:38:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9t7W1dFRcYfX for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D86DCC90FF for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:38:46 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AisJAD9PVktUXebi/2dsb2JhbACCNtQ6hDYEiTo Received: from relay03.plus.net ([84.93.230.226]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 08:38:45 +0000 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by relay03.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1NXW5N-0005nR-9y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:38:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:37:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 Message-ID: <50dc7cbb10nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 46f44fb5d4241a3dc1bf8d6efe5709cd X-archive-position: 2207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3pkmNb-Hf0XJUrKRUXUA:9 a=8xBnhsQlIhcfcE4YMbQA:7 a=zxnZPnS-Sm6ByD_sOILoBduMDjYA:4 On 06 Jan, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > New Windows version: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Hi David, This prompted me to put the OProW version on Linux under Wine but all three archives (Main + Spell + Filters) are giving an "End of central directory signature not found". -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 11:54:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXXzl-2iAknw-03-Anu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:54:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXXzl-2iAknw-03-Anu; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXXzl-2iAknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXXzk-0006Df-Iq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AB81CC8EFC; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jriFdf2UEtF9; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D06E7CC662B; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A949BCC8132 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:40:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2xmk4Iedc+t1 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D234CC662B for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120104047.LGSK27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:40:47 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20100120104046.EKPK22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:40:46 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:40:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=0np9fE_YxPWpSusDYucA:9 a=DJDSz0alU3EFR8npKjYve8Z77TYA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0np9fE_YxPWpSusDYucA:9 a=sotIVFEuxqkjyJRo3uQA:7 a=-qyyHTdu_oS7FuDHcZWujue0NX8A:4 Hello, On Windows the PagePal dialogue is hidden until I select it from the Applet menu. This is fine because it's really only useful for big documents. On RiscOS, however, it always appears when I run OvationPro which means that 99% of the time I have to close it manually. Is there any way to leave it active but hidden until selected (as on Windows)? I'm quite happy to modify the OvPScrpt file if that's the way to do it but I would need some guidance! Thanks & regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 11:54:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXY8a-3kxknw-06-Af5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:54:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXY8a-3kxknw-06-Af5; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:50:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXY8a-3kxknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:50:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXY8Y-00021e-5b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:50:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16083CC8DF6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nPxKe32KVxVC; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 278A7CC8DE7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:49:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06748CC8DEE for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:49:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l90xfsr1vWkI for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C00E3CC8DE7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXY8B-0006a1-n8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:49:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tYYRveSIrXARSvoayd0A:9 a=pgzy3ASuXFHzoPoJoNEA:7 a=q7k6H2C5zrmeh42bYtofamKwIsAA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article , John Grogan wrote: > Hello, > On Windows the PagePal dialogue is hidden until I select it from the > Applet menu. This is fine because it's really only useful for big > documents. On RiscOS, however, it always appears when I run OvationPro > which means that 99% of the time I have to close it manually. Is there > any way to leave it active but hidden until selected (as on Windows)? If you untick it in the Applet menu, it doesn't appear. Then tick it if you want it. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 11:54:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXYEr-4NZknw-05-AYo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:54:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXYEr-4NZknw-05-AYo; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:56:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXYEr-4NZknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:56:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXYEo-0000jF-1R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:56:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB4E4CC8E43; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WLhGWPQh81jO; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 074B7CC8E1A; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9C32CC8E20 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TUAUvXw+bMti for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D575CC8E1A for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([83.104.159.43] helo=riscpc.local.net) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXYEW-0002Ot-ke for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:56:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:56:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <6aHUfjESILOLFwQJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-archive-position: 2210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: stephen@spcap.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jtKlUKA3MMD1rThOmUIA:9 a=agAbzFmFNn3lYRNf_NQA:7 a=9QetsjaFPTqfbQU8i9nbenZodaYA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 In on Mon 28 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward > writes > >"Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I think it was Harry > >Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) > > Benefits of a good lunch to subliminal cogitation, 'twas Harry Decker. > Hmm. Late follow up, but this sparked a memory. Just found, lurking on a drive, a 343MB Tar file, entitled 'Harry Decker Fonts'. Seems to be the whole site... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 12:09:17 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXZHO-04N000-01-9WH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:09:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXZHO-04N000-01-9WH; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:03:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXZHO-04N000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:03:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXZHN-000529-37 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:03:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14B58CC8F55; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O2deJln-XWFo; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 298BCCC8E50; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBE59CC8E57 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3RNfvaKDz6T for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5DC4CC8E50 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXZH5-0000fv-Xy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:03:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:01:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc7cbb10nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <50dc7cbb10nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2211 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=14ULeNs8lx7TeFJOqAQA:9 a=yL9bBJNX44-5e0-PlOIA:7 a=-nWZEnBg3lipRjlsfSYYz5UTZCUA:4 a=pqjT0dryoFS0kTSk:21 a=RObsbqu8szgM1-FF:21 Hi, In message <50dc7cbb10nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, Ned Abell writes >This prompted me to put the OProW version on Linux under Wine >but all three archives (Main + Spell + Filters) are giving an >"End of central directory signature not found". They're not zip archive files, they're .exe's so they don't have to obey any rules on format. Or do you mean the above happens when you run them? In which case they''ve been corrupted in transit. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 12:09:17 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXZM3-0ef000-06-9Rc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:09:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXZM3-0ef000-06-9Rc; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXZM3-0ef000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXZLy-000787-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:08:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87EC1CC8F56; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:08:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jhVcBbIHzloA; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A49C2CC8EC8; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:07:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EFC2CC8EDC for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:07:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XB3Sf86h3hVf for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32D2CCC8EC8 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXZLf-0007Nm-hN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:07:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:06:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pgMQez8VAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xDZXkZfCfs0tUEB5bH8A:9 a=M13CEvFUOPyjSQEHx80A:7 a=MvpGOvDpHtvhCAOtd2ZoKuUTt9IA:4 a=NwPsx1pv5WHuLPmR:21 a=-ChJuFJlR0ho26up:21 Hi, In message <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes > Might the 'sticking' have anything to do with the display of page >numbers in the Print window? NO! > Since the latest 2.77 version there have been >two occasions when the page number shown was wildly incorrect - always >after having printed a multi-page document - then loading and wanting to >print a single sided document. This has only happened to me twice, but on >the first occasion the number 12 and on the next the number 3 were shown. >The documents I had previously printed both, it so happens, had 24 pages. The reason for my confidence about the pagepal applet is that the problem was in the applet, it has been present for many years. Your printing problem is probably a bug in the main program - however even then there have not been changes to page number code in the last few versions. Going back slightly further (i.e. a year or two see the changes file) I did fix a bug in the code which understands page numbers - things like using a10 if you want to go to (or print) the 10th page in the document (as opposed to page number 10 - there may be many page number 10's in a document) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 12:39:19 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXZlR-3ZT000-02-92E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:39:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXZlR-3ZT000-02-92E; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXZlR-3ZT000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXZlN-00056o-Im for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAF1ECC8FA2; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FSNyhTn25kdr; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEBF9CC8F84; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBF4DCC8F94 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uaf8IYUMORRI for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 504A7CC8F84 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120123404.XXVH4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:04 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100120123404.CSXO2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:34:04 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] An idea To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:33:59 GMT Message-ID: <995f92dc50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=3Zt4uRzNErVkZwyawi8A:9 a=I92gdlN8DwIDqBqBF_PUX6dHbcUA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3Zt4uRzNErVkZwyawi8A:9 a=vxuDhbFDOKt53-xCHBYA:7 a=VLDtiObDnSqk38pV8_rWzNgeeyEA:4 Dear David, If this is a stupid idea the forgive for I only want to see !Ovation continue to be developed. You said that major work wasn't practical. EasiWriter has continued to be developed by Martin Wurthner so I wondered if there is any mileage in getting RComp to develop OPro as they may need a product to to supercede WebsterX R. Forgive me if this s looney idea! Kindest regards Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 13:09:19 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXa4h-0wGknw-06-8iy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:09:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXa4h-0wGknw-06-8iy; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:54:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXa4h-0wGknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:54:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXa4e-0007Wo-Vh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:54:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1406CC8FF4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:54:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nf7zUk9VfAfT; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E5B5CC8FDD; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0098DCC8FDF for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:54:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQ72kFTf0dqP for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4D62CC8FDD for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:53:59 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHuLVktUXeby/2dsb2JhbADYD4Q2BA Received: from relay01.plus.net ([84.93.230.242]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 12:53:58 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NXa4M-0003BS-7I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:53:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:53:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 39923b6509b8ec55b2a9a53e30a399c9 X-archive-position: 2214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9yn7jdDdyUhqqhB5bwsA:9 a=1zWyW20aHb5H9vVX_YQA:7 a=uRb3Z91iur5LUFyXJacNqgYUbv8A:4 a=EFttsa8AxJH7q5Q1:21 a=WC-mib_ukH_emp4H:21 In article <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > If you untick it in the Applet menu, it doesn't appear. Then tick > it if you want it. As with all applets, OPro will need to be rerun for the change to take affect. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 13:24:19 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXaSs-3RWknw-08-GrJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:24:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXaSs-3RWknw-08-GrJ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:19:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXaSs-3RWknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:19:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXaSq-00008w-El for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:19:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5367ACC9039; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zB-pnrNsyrKL; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CCABCC7696; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 749B6CC83B4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pp0rCRKTfA9o for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DE38CC7696 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:19:00 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGaRVkvUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADYEoQ2BA Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 13:19:00 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NXaSZ-0000Zh-SU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:19:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:18:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dc967afechris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 212da3ae5df0be55ffca66bcafaa7318 X-archive-position: 2215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=t9pLDjIutTc6uN2HjfsA:9 a=kMc408hy6tQhS5n_cMsA:7 a=8eJbZR5_EB9x6pXHvsLFxXoiIWgA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article , John Grogan wrote: > On Windows the PagePal dialogue is hidden until I select it from > the Applet menu. This is fine because it's really only useful for > big documents. On RiscOS, however, it always appears when I run > OvationPro which means that 99% of the time I have to close it > manually. Is there any way to leave it active but hidden until > selected (as on Windows)? > I'm quite happy to modify the OvPScrpt file if that's the way to do > it but I would need some guidance! I have just tried the following on my system. Open !OvnPro.Applets.!PagePal.Library.PagePal in a text editor. The fourth line reads int pagepal_toolbox = 1; Change the 1 to a zero and rerun OvnPro. The pagepal dialogue will now remain hidden until its menu entry in the Applets menu is ticked. Chris... -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 13:24:19 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXaTu-3bBknw-06-GqH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:24:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXaTu-3bBknw-06-GqH; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:20:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXaTu-3bBknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:20:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXaTr-0005kp-G3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:20:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3312CC9058; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WOYM1YaD306T; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAF4ECC7568; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8BF2CC7565 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rjTxPlpD+ex4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73D98CC904C for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAEeSVkvUnw4T/2dsb2JhbADYH4Q2BA Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 13:19:59 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NXaTX-0000WX-4R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:19:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:19:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 0bfb78773990bb44489cd57da5b3decd X-archive-position: 2216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Wq5mpzmVKvvjCE5DgcQA:9 a=sM0xnao1TkZYpNZm4KIA:7 a=XqVULbPwxlXEisOj53_4pEJGjd4A:4 a=6s-b565U1QjoDCeE:21 a=56hfVA_bUN86NMgs:21 In article <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > If you untick it in the Applet menu, it doesn't appear. Then tick > > it if you want it. > As with all applets, OPro will need to be rerun for the change to > take affect. Sorry - ignore that! Engage brain before pressing send. The page palette window will open and close as you tick/untick its entry in the applet menu. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 14:09:20 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXb3q-2EbVbs-07-GGL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:09:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXb3q-2EbVbs-07-GGL; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:57:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXb3q-2EbVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:57:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXb3m-0003OM-1d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:57:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1FB2CC90C1; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rTk08KmdF2Q5; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49BAACC7D26; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1677CCC8233 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPQS4Dd7diqM for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4AD7CC7D26 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXb3S-0004UJ-ie for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:57:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:55:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: An idea References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <995f92dc50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <995f92dc50.alan@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MFv8r06l__eR3dji18cA:9 a=xofEJSmQyJ-xBTGSD8AA:7 a=19VPpV8qudKSzGMIB09ChEyhf3MA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=EFwuDlH06t1rjxmN:21 a=l5nXwTGRmZzxmLEu:21 In message <995f92dc50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton writes >EasiWriter has continued to be developed by Martin Wurthner so I >wondered if there is any mileage in getting RComp to develop OPro as >they may need a product to to supercede WebsterX R. Forgive me if this >s looney idea! Passing the programs to someone else is a possibility but one which I have rejected - there is great scope for unhappiness, mine, yours and I'm avoiding it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 16:09:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXcz6-2llknw-05-EL5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:09:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXcz6-2llknw-05-EL5; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:00:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXcz6-2llknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:00:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXcz0-0001lb-Pf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:00:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBDE9CC9254; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U8PeVXqgFH7y; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E441CC9039; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4915CC91C4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AokKTpBLGwXH for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0600CC9039 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:00:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120160016.LISE17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:00:16 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20100120160016.GLXO2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:00:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc967afechris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:00:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=IwQcW-2ZJM8A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_BcL-bFFYygtyRtfv-oA:9 a=lCtMCIs9z21Zm0_rPnyeDaWPNZ0A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_BcL-bFFYygtyRtfv-oA:9 a=zPznDT5qbd_yZ1Bl7kMA:7 a=AcOVfD5H5YRnIjz-crK8ocQU6acA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:18 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 > > I have just tried the following on my system. > > Open !OvnPro.Applets.!PagePal.Library.PagePal in a text editor. The > fourth line reads > > int pagepal_toolbox = 1; > > Change the 1 to a zero and rerun OvnPro. > Thanks, Chris. That's exactly what I was looking for! Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 17:39:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXeTl-02Z000-08-CqQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:39:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXeTl-02Z000-08-CqQ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXeTl-02Z000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXeTh-0006XK-Pd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9041CC8E48; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceMOzgIiZnPS; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DAEECC8E59; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18322CC8EDC for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vWmFhOMOpwvt for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06BDCCC8E59 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120173607.PVYO4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:36:07 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100120173607.ZVWZ13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:36:07 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: An idea To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:24:29 GMT Message-ID: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <995f92dc50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=LG1Sv0sptm_2JJoXs5sA:9 a=X0lLQEvE-OmEFCzxB_fYqCboHFAA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=fr0cWUvDyVWJt0v5:21 a=0tnoFI0wSsZTsd3d:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LG1Sv0sptm_2JJoXs5sA:9 a=fTUgUa5Iu5oxJEEO9DcA:7 a=_882f6P1hcvt-59JACzPqZ6WpTwA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=1OXR-cvM60GZclZK:21 a=qpTDU110SPnDXt41:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <995f92dc50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton > writes >>EasiWriter has continued to be developed by Martin Wurthner so I >>wondered if there is any mileage in getting RComp to develop OPro as >>they may need a product to to supercede WebsterX R. Forgive me if this >>s looney idea! > Passing the programs to someone else is a possibility but one which I > have rejected - there is great scope for unhappiness, mine, yours and > I'm avoiding it. Thanks for listening. I am sure you know best, Best wishes Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 19:54:31 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXgZI-4fvknw-06-Akt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:54:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXgZI-4fvknw-06-Akt; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:50:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXgZI-4fvknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:50:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXgZE-0001qu-IY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:50:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0FEBCC8563; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:50:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z-OGLggqd1Vj; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F248CC8088; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72DC0CC8554 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ICXDfZ1Ziizc for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2CDBCC8088 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100120194958.KSNN4474.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:49:58 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100120194958.KPVE2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:49:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:46:19 GMT Message-ID: <5df4b9dc50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=y26AOypDAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=WjQOIRHNCRXOLor9P5UA:9 a=6wu7ecv9nnzeTpxKaz0A:7 a=apk-Ak-SPW1WqagQZsgYVHa8NEsA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=5s0rL-rILvj58sfJ:21 a=VpMEM54oqOTRqoAA:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=y26AOypDAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fmlRdujWK0QBJ43E6bsA:9 a=itHsqoxwaNyeDdu-Q9MA:7 a=JGHlpubwdrcXu-sEJRObqkWJSaMA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=spk7Ayal-whc1Pa1:21 a=GnQhlQiU4ANzxZNN:21 In message Stephen Parkin wrote: > In on Mon 28 Dec, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward >> writes >>>"Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I think it was Harry >>>Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) >> >> Benefits of a good lunch to subliminal cogitation, 'twas Harry Decker. >> > Hmm. Late follow up, but this sparked a memory. > Just found, lurking on a drive, a 343MB Tar file, entitled 'Harry Decker > Fonts'. Seems to be the whole site... If I remember correctly, that the site was taken down because of copyright questions over some of the fonts. The site owner had neither the time nor inclination to go through them all to remove those where there is a copyright violation so he removed the whole site. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 21:09:35 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXhiT-4B0Vbs-05-9bi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:09:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXhiT-4B0Vbs-05-9bi; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:03:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXhiT-4B0Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:03:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXhiR-0000e7-DY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:03:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6864CC8832; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kpTC9m6crTiD; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0239CC8791; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8035CC87BD for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTqvAJL0IQdU for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail16.bluewin.ch (mail16.bluewin.ch [195.186.19.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD7EECC8791 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:03:33 -0500 (EST) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[85.2.232.224] Epoch[1264021410] Received: from [85.2.232.224] ([85.2.232.224:52919] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail16.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 26/F0-08728-2AF675B4; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:03:30 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:03:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100120-1, 01/20/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 2221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pgMQez8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Agy4doB0Plqf4BRYvpoA:9 a=rAkYK_WCv3R1EwYshv8A:7 a=pAHvmrYtwFl-mb12qBmio4QLxTMA:4 a=9Fd7Gy5Z2jmakusj:21 a=f0TCcMR21OLgg_4E:21 In message <50dc4681d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: [snip some] > Thank you, David. > Might the 'sticking' have anything to do with the display of page > numbers in the Print window? Since the latest 2.77 version there have been > two occasions when the page number shown was wildly incorrect - always > after having printed a multi-page document - then loading and wanting to > print a single sided document. This has only happened to me twice, but on > the first occasion the number 12 and on the next the number 3 were shown. > The documents I had previously printed both, it so happens, had 24 pages. > The single page seemed to print OK, however! > Has anyone else had this difficulty? Yes, but it is very seldom. Mostly it happens when more than one document is open and you go from one document to the other, especially when switching fast between windows. I tend to follow David Pillng's cofidence in the applet. Whether it is OvPro that gets indigestion or simply the computer not being able to follow all key presses or suddeenly busy with an interrupt (as happens whith automatic updates of a anti-virus prpgram) is anybody's guess. Generally closing down one document and reopening cured the problem. Only once did I ever have to close down OvPro and restart anew. I've seen this happen on RiscOS (Iyonix and VRPC) and windoze. I should mention that especially with RiscOS I tend to have many programs active. While typing this I have 14 programs active and running! -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 22:19:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXitb-0vG000-03-Gx6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:19:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXitb-0vG000-03-Gx6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:19:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXitb-0vG000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:19:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXitW-0003EL-Uk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:19:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABDA9CC906E; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:19:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FRkpnUt7jh9t; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4A08CC8AE7; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78827CC8EB7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CdseDnTvzzg3 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D76C2CC779C for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.175.49]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0KMIsaV026218 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:18:55 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:18:50 GMT Message-ID: <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2222 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Miqw-LfULcOU56QcaKgA:9 a=vWgCtfaTNA5B3HvXs6UA:7 a=TVgkd4wnn7qhzStb88aF0ITfAPIA:4 a=nbXUV09rZ1lTQEa5:21 a=6pxYxFiTo6vI_xFV:21 In message <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, >> charles wrote: >>> If you untick it in the Applet menu, it doesn't appear. Then tick >>> it if you want it. >> As with all applets, OPro will need to be rerun for the change to >> take affect. > Sorry - ignore that! Engage brain before pressing send. The page > palette window will open and close as you tick/untick its entry in > the applet menu. I seem to recall this question being asked, and answered several years ago. Making pagepal and colourpal be present, but without windows open, needed a change to a file somewhere, adding two 0s as I recall. Does this prompt any memories? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 22:34:36 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXj2f-1QT000-03-Go2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:34:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXj2f-1QT000-03-Go2; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXj2f-1QT000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXj2Y-0001Td-Ja for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F8A7CC9090; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WK+KvmjZ4reF; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 315F5CC8E56; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED47ACC9090 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ry8HO9h1WSQb for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AAD5CC8F05 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.175.49]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0KMSOU4026595 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:25 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:28:12 GMT Message-ID: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uIZ7izG6WI6v2EhwPKcA:9 a=VtrGfYqAn7w6jAOOA0AA:7 a=_3E0XfsXMFqkq4NJ8WkZCQBiXKgA:4 a=gUblZ-jfc_pSUBEr:21 a=tGybDHUhOuAR_pf3:21 In message <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, >> Chris Johnson wrote: >>> In article <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, >>> charles wrote: >>>> If you untick it in the Applet menu, it doesn't appear. Then tick >>>> it if you want it. >>> As with all applets, OPro will need to be rerun for the change to >>> take affect. >> Sorry - ignore that! Engage brain before pressing send. The page >> palette window will open and close as you tick/untick its entry in >> the applet menu. > I seem to recall this question being asked, and answered several years > ago. Making pagepal and colourpal be present, but without windows > open, needed a change to a file somewhere, adding two 0s as I recall. Sorry, that should have said stylepal and colpal, so probably not directly relevant. > Does this prompt any memories? I'd still like to know how to suppress those two though, without removing them. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 23:04:37 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXjQ4-2b3000-05-GQd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:04:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXjQ4-2b3000-05-GQd; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:53:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXjQ4-2b3000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:53:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXjQ0-0003K4-DC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:53:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26804CC95A0; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3zuf0jakZh6; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36423CC8394; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C74DCC83B8 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SIG-D+jvlQ0X for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8180CC8394 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so7178070ewy.6 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.25.67 with SMTP id y3mr1587611ebb.73.1264027955584; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (5ac334b4.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm338811ewy.11.2010.01.20.14.52.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:52:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:52:33 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0FD818FD-CD04-42F5-9133-4135F4D761E9@ed.ac.uk> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a8kTDCt3QQWZGCA123kA:9 a=hxWaMUA_b2CDYLvV0jEA:7 a=OzenZvbrPaNM3cjcChG_eRQ6E3wA:4 a=wc3TZygrbQf-jf_N:21 a=SxH4zmHu8KB_ZE5a:21 On 20 Jan 2010, at 22:28, Alan Adams wrote: > In message <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: > >> In message <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> >> Chris Johnson wrote: > >>> In article <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, >>> Chris Johnson wrote: >>>> In article <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, >>>> charles wrote: >>>>> If you untick it in the Applet menu, it doesn't appear. Then tick >>>>> it if you want it. > >>>> As with all applets, OPro will need to be rerun for the change to >>>> take affect. > >>> Sorry - ignore that! Engage brain before pressing send. The page >>> palette window will open and close as you tick/untick its entry in >>> the applet menu. > >> I seem to recall this question being asked, and answered several years >> ago. Making pagepal and colourpal be present, but without windows >> open, needed a change to a file somewhere, adding two 0s as I recall. > > Sorry, that should have said stylepal and colpal, so probably not > directly relevant. > >> Does this prompt any memories? > > I'd still like to know how to suppress those two though, without > removing them. Chris Johnson wrote about PagePal ... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Open !OvnPro.Applets.!PagePal.Library.PagePal in a text editor. The fourth line reads int pagepal_toolbox = 1; Change the 1 to a zero and rerun OvnPro. The pagepal dialogue will now remain hidden until its menu entry in the Applets menu is ticked. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I guess you'd do the equivalent for stylepal and colpal. ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 23:04:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXjZG-3Ce000-02-GHR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:04:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXjZG-3Ce000-02-GHR; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:02:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXjZG-3Ce000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:02:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXjZG-000741-9F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:02:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7064CC95FF; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DYVQ0rUZstYw; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFB0ACC8546; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCC9ACC952C for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t4BYx8z61sMN for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 790E4CC8546 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:02:09 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAAYaV0tUXeby/2dsb2JhbADZaYQ2BA Received: from relay01.plus.net ([84.93.230.242]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2010 23:02:09 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NXjYu-0004qT-V5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:02:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:01:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: fd56c9f3f1619fc2b5e911c07486dcb2 X-archive-position: 2225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mDfEKBhfL9TXbKDroFcA:9 a=F8nFfdj0QadAFnZgLnUA:7 a=iJ2kVzJq7gnHZIG18bviEKLV5hoA:4 a=q9p7QB9MSqfzv8J6:21 a=V3oggdvnqxfP2LSH:21 In article , Alan Adams wrote: > I'd still like to know how to suppress those two though, without > removing them. At the start of the file !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Library.StylePal change the line int stylepal_palette = 1; to int stylepal_palette = 0; At the start of the file !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Library.ColPal change the line int colpal_palette = 1; to int colpal_palette = 0; All with minimum testing, of course 8o) Chris... -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 20 23:19:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXjgC-3bM000-02-GAV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:19:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXjgC-3bM000-02-GAV; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXjgC-3bM000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXjg9-0002p0-Pz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49169CC94C8; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AxRiPIsa9rzJ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D5B0CC8E49; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B9BBCC94B7 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WuULBRyP0TwL for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F2D5CC8E49 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NXjfs-0003ze-Y1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:09:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Message-ID: <50dccc89ecpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2226 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BGp04tiL0WvNv4zt9zoA:9 a=0tigJ2psEuzHvlCLp6oA:7 a=aXuLyyaSvV73eQaHJJeiuBG_bSsA:4 a=WFJw6lrPIRy6YuHU:21 a=Nyu3043h7qQIB-dW:21 In article , Alan Adams wrote: > I'd still like to know how to suppress those two though, > without removing them. See page 252 of the manual: You can disable Applets in the !OvnPro.Applets directory by double-clicking on them so that their names are suffixed with a '-'. When you re-run Ovation Pro, disabled Applets are not loaded. To re-enable an Applet double-click over it again. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 21 11:28:55 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NXv6x-0k0Vbs-07-DGG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:28:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NXv6x-0k0Vbs-07-DGG; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:22:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NXv6x-0k0Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:22:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NXv6r-0005X1-Q5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:22:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B127FCC8DAE; 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Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6219FCC8DCA for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100121112134.UIRL4204.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:34 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20100121112133.VIDQ22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:33 +0000 Message-ID: <89A153B89B2F49E28374F127F872FC75@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=gElbbJia6lfbHoT1NXQA:9 a=OZJS5mKoOKXDSrauAaEGryyb-_AA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=A4jNWqbwpU5XzegW:21 a=k7Mt2xrOiEC8cEcM:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=gElbbJia6lfbHoT1NXQA:9 a=O9Ah8NibkFcUWyzzlkkA:7 a=uIFiQ_VYjNOpoDwa0ZQgpBkvsKEA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=zuu8OyEvPu4lbUCI:21 a=srwWD0nFJYFEK7t2:21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 > In article , > Alan Adams wrote: >> I'd still like to know how to suppress those two though, without >> removing them. > > At the start of the file !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Library.StylePal > change the line > > int stylepal_palette = 1; > > to > > int stylepal_palette = 0; > > > At the start of the file !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Library.ColPal > change the line > > int colpal_palette = 1; > > to > > int colpal_palette = 0; > > > > All with minimum testing, of course 8o) > > Chris... > Correct for ColPal. StylePal saves its Open/Closed state in its Choices file so no need to play with that. Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 21 18:44:09 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NY20S-1Ytknw-04-EtH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:44:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NY20S-1Ytknw-04-EtH; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:43:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NY20S-1Ytknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:43:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NY20P-0001pK-O9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:43:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C82ECC9AD6; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZ6k4j08cqeL; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2757CC9A83; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6771CC9AAA for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ttK2yThvgKo for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C1D1CC9A83 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.85.136.140]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0LIhQ1S010516 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:43:26 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PagePal 1.03 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:43:25 GMT Message-ID: <5a0838dd50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <+6PVXRBdQaVLFwaf@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc88d339charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50dc942aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50dc96881cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <40ebc7dc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vhoDk9WrAG1UKHjkkr8A:9 a=JiqQsKG5v1GYDLozzYgA:7 a=FBe3_6n2TNHnKeuSsRsOkHdIYrEA:4 a=fUc2u1JAzDZpwLDJ:21 a=z-VJ8BWlsYQmDlyY:21 In message <50dccbd326chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Alan Adams wrote: >> I'd still like to know how to suppress those two though, without >> removing them. > At the start of the file !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Library.StylePal > change the line > int stylepal_palette = 1; > to > int stylepal_palette = 0; > At the start of the file !OvnPro.Applets.!StylePal.Library.ColPal > change the line > int colpal_palette = 1; > to > int colpal_palette = 0; Excellent, thanks. Now it doesn't display the palettes on opening a document, but menu - applets - colpal opens the palette when required. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 22 12:30:40 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYIX2-43xVbs-04-FPj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:30:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYIX2-43xVbs-04-FPj; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:22:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYIX2-43xVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:22:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYIX1-0002py-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:22:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29046CC9883; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yL9dsNVdJcok; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD97BCC83DF; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 742EDCC83F4 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4GF-UxrhBdv9 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E893CC83DF for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NYIWk-0007iY-cG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:22:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:20:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro new version 5th. January 2010 References: <9J4lrUCTiJRLFwIe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50dc7cbb10nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XO4Z4fRUWMMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ykYT1N_1AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dnPFZqO2iNGNtXfKRHIA:9 a=bcripeP8LEqq3VgNbnMA:7 a=NMlpVYtkPiUeSfZCXPL4tUZsKdEA:4 a=NDMwA5qlP4iogV7a:21 a=FxVtz0l9YchFdeCy:21 Hi, The last RISC OS upgrade has some files dated 2012, due to the Iyonix clock bug, all this has been discussed above, and thanks to the helpful advice here I have installed the relevant fixes. However... it has been pointed out to me that the presence on *any* machine of post dated files may upset some operations like hard disc backup. If you think this will affect you then you can get hold of untardis: http://www.alanwrigley.com/untardis very nice program from Alan Wrigley. As far as I can imagine the effect on hard disc back up would be to backup files which had not changed, so it would be an inefficiency rather than an omission (you're still backing up to floppies?). I might well change the upgrade archive soon, so you could also get out of the problem by re-upgrading. I've always thought that scanning for post dated files could be useful, untardis may be interesting to try independently of my blundering and the Iyonix problems. At which point people who synchronise discs for backup should ask me to stick with the 2012 dates. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 16:51:23 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYj4S-0zMGPo-07-ERr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYj4S-0zMGPo-07-ERr; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYj4S-0zMGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYj4O-0004qJ-LY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E5A3CC9E57; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tx-N3Abz47xx; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E36DCC9D32; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32933CC9E3F for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x-qIA9Io3u7c for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7D70CC9D32 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.172.87]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NGgOun023874 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:42:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:42:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pyYzj0R3u3-i-h61W3gA:9 a=1HYPm-E-hbHpG2zzmxAA:7 a=InaiTftawgPTGxPKwymhEEkkjpYA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=b19pbVJAlNdZ_8Yx:21 a=-RJjBoLHukWa2SD3:21 On 27 Dec, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > [Snippy] > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > ========================================== > > C.B. > > ========================================== > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a > couple of fonts. > Dave I assume some of you remember the discussion about Fonts and effTTT which I eventually bought for 44.85 Ukpounds. I assume you'll remember the lack of conversion with the Ornamental fonts... I can also add since that time... What a complete and utter waste of money (As per usual with many RO products). I needed to convert a couple of plain old PC fonts for something "She" is doing, did it happen, well probably effTTT did a conversion of some sort, but is doesn't register or display on this SARPC with RO 6.20 Additionally, when I attempted to install the fonts using EasyFont Pro it not only stiffed that application, but made a serious crapola of it, requiring some work to get it going again. I can inform you *without* equivocation, the GM came within a whisker of escaping. I'm seriously beginning to wonder why I'm bothering with RO anymore. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:21:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYjRd-22OGPo-06-E4g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:21:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYjRd-22OGPo-06-E4g; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:06:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYjRd-22OGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:06:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYjRa-0005dw-Mc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:06:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59C8BCC9F7A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JnKHSG-fLpVc; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B149ACC8380; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F29DCC9D01 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YN+CXEsUkidS for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26642CC8380 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.172.87]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NH6NrR024821 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:06:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:06:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2231 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oEbfkrm-PV0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8haaL70dEe3__iD_Hc0A:9 a=VQDQbkPNcEQ42vJ1bZsA:7 a=NetiIdnjiO37MpqDZYmb-EYMciUA:4 Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, but I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required characters. C and c with Circumflex. G and g with Circumflex J and j with Circumflex. S and S with Circumflex. U and u with Breve. So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the Win PC and OvPro there. 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? 2) Any other solutions? Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:21:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYje4-2XyGPo-06-DsF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:21:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYje4-2XyGPo-06-DsF; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:19:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYje4-2XyGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:19:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYje0-0004CX-H8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:19:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65668CC9E8D; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t+wZIh0i7EjT; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4371CC9DF2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BBBBCC9E87 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jcwly088uLXt for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 370C6CC9E86 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so2836978ewy.6 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.109.86 with SMTP id i22mr1514148ebp.58.1264267155420; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5acadcbb.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.187]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2879947ewy.15.2010.01.23.09.19.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:19:14 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:19:13 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pudMZ2AHnSDfTPOZGd4A:9 a=PQvInsDJ5Qv0faBZAkoA:7 a=ZJ3zMcUxG2S1rmKfH4KiGTfheIYA:4 On 23 Jan 2010, at 17:06, Dave Symes wrote: > Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, = but > I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required > characters. >=20 > C and c with Circumflex. >=20 > G and g with Circumflex >=20 > J and j with Circumflex. >=20 > S and S with Circumflex. >=20 > U and u with Breve. >=20 > So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the = Win PC > and OvPro there. >=20 > 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? >=20 > 2) Any other solutions? Dare I suggest ... you need to purchase a Latin 3 font from EFF, or = migrate to unicode fonts on a PC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:36:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYjiy-2lWGPo-02-DnL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:36:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYjiy-2lWGPo-02-DnL; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:24:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYjiy-2lWGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:24:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYjiy-0000z5-BB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:24:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4BC9CC9EB7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l6JipDVU0byd; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F39C8CC9EA7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE779CC9EA8 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P-GF685MYyv8 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CFD6CC9EA7 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NYjid-0002cL-ar for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:24:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:23:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2233 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X5S2os8ToLaAWWO1gjEA:9 a=9FXVAkAVRKisOFKAG04A:7 a=1kK3hbwNIcEKS5TSILDQKh5zz9sA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=VqUg0y0PbUYljEM_:21 a=fFf6vbwIkLWHN9se:21 In message <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I assume some of you remember the discussion about Fonts and effTTT which >I eventually bought for 44.85 Ukpounds. Knowing nothing, I'd suggest loading what came out of effTTT into FontEd to see what it consists of. As to installing fonts, don't you just copy into !Fonts and then double click !Fonts? >I can inform you *without* equivocation, the GM came within a whisker of >escaping. GM? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:36:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYjmD-2swGPo-06-Dk6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:36:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYjmD-2swGPo-06-Dk6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:28:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYjmD-2swGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:28:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYjmA-0000cY-UY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:28:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F32F5CC9EBE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sg5M5fm90uJY; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28819CC9E96; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05CDDCC9E99 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nEjPRfWBfyvP for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C12BBCC9E96 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NYjlt-0006Ag-i0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:27:41 +0000 Message-ID: <2CAXpiEsEzWLFwQY@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:26:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2234 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=cg1n19Ae-qpV2Pfcs9IA:7 a=3mgN9_TQB7fgqzw0EbvrTcogsHMA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=UJEuR5l_hS_IEQQL:21 a=wJxhT06q_Emd-HOT:21 In message <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, but >I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required >characters. > >C and c with Circumflex. > Again, knowing little I'm keen to reply - some RISC OS fonts have extra characters beyond the 224 normally on display, some software, not OP, but perhaps Techwriter (etc) can use a different "code page" (it's got a proper RISC OS name) and use these. So they may be there. Think FontEd shows them and would let you copy them into a made up font of your own. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:36:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYjsC-05x000-08-De7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:36:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYjsC-05x000-08-De7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:34:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYjsC-05x000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:34:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYjsA-00049z-17 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:34:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 538D3CC9EBA; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:34:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBOD9PvbKAA0; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D474CCC9E86; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2B86CC9E99 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jBP7+nYm0rso for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.243]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D38ACC9E86 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFjCWktcGHDA/2dsb2JhbADWEoQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="437730364" Received: from unknown (HELO RiscPC.talktalk.net) ([92.24.112.192]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2010 17:33:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David H Wild To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:33:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de394ffddhwild@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2235 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dhwild@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=q9FoVwWRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sXYfYffPtx8-HwEIHYEA:9 a=qvcVUKsurnPVD6Jwe2UA:7 a=yZNLU_jHFjy2lA1766mceMxdbNoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=jCIiwrgMOFWyBFlk:21 a=gMkZEppzrgviWi5S:21 In article <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > C and c with Circumflex. > G and g with Circumflex > J and j with Circumflex. > S and S with Circumflex. > U and u with Breve. > So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the Win > PC and OvPro there. > 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? Yes - all the ROM fonts- > 2) Any other solutions? EFF sell several. -- David Wild using RISC OS on broadband www.davidhwild.me.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:51:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYjvT-0Iv000-04-Daq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:51:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYjvT-0Iv000-04-Daq; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYjvT-0Iv000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYjvP-0001T0-6m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 427EDCC9EEB; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WZkhunxblJOo; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8F28CC9ED2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4A5FCC9ED4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJqUoPoW8RV4 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70C7FCC9ED2 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so530578eyw.22 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.2.82 with SMTP id 18mr1494114ebi.23.1264268231245; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? 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From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:09 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=zMB1_UybAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FP-3WaDi5v8sDsUSBdAA:9 a=Iy9hVSbLu-t1aWaLupEA:7 a=XgcTSPDGleuNdBm7ti-nni-VTu0A:4 On 23 Jan 2010, at 17:06, Dave Symes wrote: > Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, = but > I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required > characters. >=20 > C and c with Circumflex. >=20 > G and g with Circumflex >=20 > J and j with Circumflex. >=20 > S and S with Circumflex. >=20 > U and u with Breve. >=20 > So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the = Win PC > and OvPro there. >=20 > 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? >=20 > 2) Any other solutions? If you can find an "open source" unicode font (see, e.g. = http://www.openfontlibrary.org/), then you could use !effTTT to generate = from it a Latin 3 font for RiscOS. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 17:51:25 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYjvU-0J8000-03-Dap.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:51:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYjvU-0J8000-03-Dap; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYjvU-0J8000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYjvL-0001JM-4A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E07ECC9EDE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RpmgL+gIuCBe; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80CE4CC9EBA; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C60ECC9ED1 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yd0R78y1xgxR for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25941CC9EBA for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NYjv4-0007RV-FN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:10 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NYjv3-0008H1-TP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:37:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:35:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50de397b54john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-archive-position: 2236 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=w9EMF1WFfZQZd2qJ4OMA:9 a=5cR_FVGyZi3G_eTfiKUA:7 a=BDO5jZK7vdCvwzviaEvlrgm1n2YA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=TEXqnpA4XTersG_8:21 a=zlE3_SWkmmD1lA-Z:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I assume some of you remember the discussion about Fonts and effTTT > >which I eventually bought for 44.85 Ukpounds. Ah yes, I remember it well (as the song puts it)... [some snipped] > >I can inform you *without* equivocation, the GM came within a > >whisker of escaping. > GM? Not General Motors, nor Genetically Modified: this would be the famous Grump-Master. I can appreciate Dave S's frustration, but feel sure there is a solution already "out there", just not yet explained. I'm confident it will come, any time now... -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! 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From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50de394ffddhwild@talktalk.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:52:19 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de394ffddhwild@talktalk.net> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IPKKLdG2WiG3p1Um1V8A:9 a=KeWFuYNhK9MxJd1rTi8A:7 a=7KdKVkdNFxsH_rgCmFUjbbGE0RUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=o_pTPEsFx0t5RleI:21 a=-I__-4RRkDwYJaxl:21 On 23 Jan 2010, at 17:33, David H Wild wrote: > In article <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> C and c with Circumflex. >=20 >> G and g with Circumflex >=20 >> J and j with Circumflex. >=20 >> S and S with Circumflex. >=20 >> U and u with Breve. >=20 >> So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the = Win >> PC and OvPro there. >=20 >> 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? >=20 > Yes - all the ROM fonts-=20 True ... but I don't think you can get non-Latin 1 characters into OP = under RiscOS 6 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 18:06:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYkG3-1AV000-07-DGG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:06:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYkG3-1AV000-07-DGG; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:58:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYkG3-1AV000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:58:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYkFz-0003g3-JZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:58:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADCA8CC9D94; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wwVw7RKc9o3l; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E345CC836F; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE639CC8A87 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3pO+Y2r4T70T for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.243]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80CDFCC836F for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAP7GWktZ8dHo/2dsb2JhbADWBIQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="437732962" Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([89.241.209.232]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2010 17:58:30 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:58:03 GMT Message-ID: <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 2239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2lpDwVx1et52zu8TbjoA:9 a=xNxmib3V3zzQoax2MykA:7 a=uq6-Odk4l3d3E_89wDRaAbaCN9gA:4 a=MXALxxKt9TAA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=aCKEqJk0bIhEjfbu:21 a=l9sSHGK3c2Ud9rCv:21 In message <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, b= ut > I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required > characters. > C and c with Circumflex. > G and g with Circumflex > J and j with Circumflex. > S and S with Circumflex. > U and u with Breve. > So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the Win= PC > and OvPro there. > 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? The ROM fonts do - but you need to use Latin3 encoding: Load XChars (Martin W=FCrthner FREEWARE) and by clicking on the bottom=20 button to the right of the big letter 'A' above the grid of=20 characters, the different encodings may be obtained. Mouse over a character and left-click; as if by magic that character=20 is inserted at the cursor. Other Latin character sets are available should you so desire. http://www.mw-software.com/software/xchars/xchars.html Hope that helps. Regards Roger --=20 Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 18:36:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYkiR-2Qu000-04-Cns.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:36:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYkiR-2Qu000-04-Cns; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYkiR-2Qu000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYkiL-0000XE-HJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:28:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 731E9CC8C39; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:28:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XzHlxajFO7x7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7194CC8C0A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:27:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F983CC8AAD for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:27:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CcrcImFq-2y for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C7DACC8A9B for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-6-119-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.6.119]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MdH7v-1NGOVm0eNH-00Ic4L; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:27:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:27:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> In-Reply-To: <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19bnyuXkj7q5SggxNrdyGHSoMhny+O3OTCvdRq AjWhJq31NVhJXl6knDFjcTnsI8MA/9bWS6VdyQwwGZ40cgIY1y tghYm6qiJjymtPXJ2cTHQ== X-archive-position: 2240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pRWSvid7GZUBgR30BLkA:9 a=9UCdJHGIZN7_5xurJ4AA:7 a=uKv3rNdHvFln5nUSq8x3DhO3QbQA:4 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=iranjAe6MGjZc2zY:21 a=RbIFF6DERxIK_FZa:21 In message <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> Roger Foden wrote: > In message <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: >> Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, = but >> I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required= >> characters. >> C and c with Circumflex. >> G and g with Circumflex [...] >> 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? > The ROM fonts do - but you need to use Latin3 encoding: > Load XChars (Martin W=FCrthner FREEWARE) and by clicking on the bottom > button to the right of the big letter 'A' above the grid of > characters, the different encodings may be obtained. > Mouse over a character and left-click; as if by magic that character > is inserted at the cursor. Not quite. As if by magic the Latin-1 character that happens to be at=20 the same codepoint is inserted at the cursor, unless you have a=20 program that allows you to use Latin-3 encoding. I am not aware of any=20 RISC OS word processor offering an encoding switch. You can of course switch the global system encoding to Latin-3 (by=20 typing *Alphabet Latin3 before loading your word processor). Then, you=20 will notice that XChars immediately displays the Latin3 characters and=20 you can indeed use all Latin-3 characters from the ROM fonts in your=20 word processor. However, while using Latin-3, all your existing=20 documents, which are based on Latin-1 may be displayed incorrectly if=20 they use any of the changed codepoints, so this is just a temporary=20 emergency workaround, not really suitable for serious work. RISC OS word processors should really have offered an encoding option=20 ever since that feature was added (in RISC OS 3.1!), at least a=20 document-wide setting, or, better, a property that could be applied to=20 characters. Then, you could mix encodings in one document. Of course, nowadays, everything should really be Unicode, which makes=20 all that faffing about with encodings obsolete. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 18:36:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYkkz-2Sv000-08-ClK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:36:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYkkz-2Sv000-08-ClK; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:30:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYkkz-2Sv000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:30:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYkkw-0000ps-OH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:30:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC6DECC8C09; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uh+AlwM6vJgl; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 371A3CC8BEC; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1091BCC8C07 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3cCMfmoy2k4Q for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.245]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A54A5CC8BEC for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKvPWktZ8dHo/2dsb2JhbADWIYQ7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="425750622" Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([89.241.209.232]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2010 18:30:27 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:30:14 GMT Message-ID: <1f7f3ede50.roger@Iyonix> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> In-Reply-To: <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 2241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uq2smJKfKVqK2n5IOFYA:9 a=xfAcrEPrK5Eo6ub4brMA:7 a=pj3xlGeiWnXnm1cLRukatPTC68gA:4 a=MXALxxKt9TAA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ynDigenj5c13_KtQ:21 a=zNxN1protlEX67RO:21 In message <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> Roger Foden wrote: > In message <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: >> Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, = but >> I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required= >> characters. >> C and c with Circumflex. >> G and g with Circumflex >> J and j with Circumflex. >> S and S with Circumflex. >> U and u with Breve. >> So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the Wi= n PC >> and OvPro there. >> 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? > The ROM fonts do - but you need to use Latin3 encoding: > Load XChars (Martin W=FCrthner FREEWARE) and by clicking on the bottom > button to the right of the big letter 'A' above the grid of > characters, the different encodings may be obtained. > Mouse over a character and left-click; as if by magic that character > is inserted at the cursor. > Other Latin character sets are available should you so desire. > http://www.mw-software.com/software/xchars/xchars.html > Hope that helps. > Regards > Roger But, unfortunately they don't show as Latin3 in OvPro - unless David P=20 knows better. Sorry about that. Roger --=20 Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 19:51:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYm0m-0fbknw-02-BVX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:51:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYm0m-0fbknw-02-BVX; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:51:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYm0m-0fbknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:51:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYm0j-0007ci-8L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:51:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F8F7CC978E; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:51:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vHtpj+tQy09n; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0649DCC96EE; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1405CC976A for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WCcgFo7WH7qB for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6765ECC96EE for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:50:51 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGviWktOlWN5/2dsb2JhbADVe4Q7BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="311960729" Received: from unknown (HELO Kinetic.) ([78.149.99.121]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2010 19:50:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Yandell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:50:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steyan@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=US_jfuyt9IJbCqNNMPIA:9 a=ib87rKccslCi6CSfM4cA:7 a=SUfhBh-uRcbe3ruAcKRf-kDbsdAA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=qOYY1duWp8wHY0DY:21 a=fPa0cNeDQVI1sAqi:21 On 23 Jan, Dave Symes wrote: > Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, but > I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required > characters. > C and c with Circumflex. > G and g with Circumflex > J and j with Circumflex. > S and S with Circumflex. > U and u with Breve. > So I guess two questions before we again forget RO and head for the Win PC > and OvPro there. > 1) Are there any known fonts for RO that contain the above noted? > 2) Any other solutions? > Thanks > Dave An application which translated between a large number of languages, !Ergane, uses?used Esperanto as the pivot between all other languages; Paul beverley used to sell the Risc OS adaptation of the program, but it just refused to start on my Select 6.20 system. How it would cope with the characters above I do not know. -- steyan@talktalk.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:21:30 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYmQT-1Qhknw-08-B5q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:21:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYmQT-1Qhknw-08-B5q; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:17:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYmQT-1Qhknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:17:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYmQQ-0005GZ-OE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:17:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CAD6CC9903; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xg1IUKhP7UcZ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 882B7CC98C6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E796CC98D3 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WhuPgfmi5BLW for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E79DDCC98C6 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,330,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="159364727" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:17:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [192.168.0.100]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC549A06B for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:17:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:17:19 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.3) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=tLLil9klAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DwSbMI-padbLOrDm3N8A:9 a=xZd4rE-5LUQf30XoUiQA:7 a=YgiBu_dm6ZYk8r1l8Sbuf2Ry5eoA:4 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=HzOfAkXfprxjnaqL:21 a=ZibuVE1CTnFrplXK:21 On 23 Jan, Steve Yandell wrote in message <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net>: > An application which translated between a large number of languages, > !Ergane, uses?used Esperanto as the pivot between all other languages; > Paul beverley used to sell the Risc OS adaptation of the program, but it > just refused to start on my Select 6.20 system. How it would cope with the > characters above I do not know. In case it is of any use: http://www.iol.ie/~djkoshea/misc/index.html -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:36:31 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYmdt-1o0knw-07-AsQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:36:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYmdt-1o0knw-07-AsQ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYmdt-1o0knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYmdq-0007dC-P6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 385C0CC9FD3; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O3-xqsfS6oGM; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98CE5CC82CF; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76AA7CC82D5 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3vpvDPnb0tKp for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28832CC82CF for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.91.159]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NKVDbu000347 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de42656bdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2CAXpiEsEzWLFwQY@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <2CAXpiEsEzWLFwQY@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xhKRQWUUFCyElzvlIboA:9 a=xKxcAw4IErMqhdWgKcsA:7 a=dvNORs7bBFT6S836WpZb57i6StsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=2tjKSgN4sPMO2R_e:21 a=REzMD-MBygLlm_tg:21 In article <2CAXpiEsEzWLFwQY@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Fay wanted to write her Esperanto letters in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, but > >I cannot find a single RO Font that contains even some of the required > >characters. > > > >C and c with Circumflex. > > > Again, knowing little I'm keen to reply - some RISC OS fonts have extra > characters beyond the 224 normally on display, some software, not OP, > but perhaps Techwriter (etc) can use a different "code page" (it's got a > proper RISC OS name) and use these. So they may be there. I wouldn't know about that, I don't have or use TW. > Think FontEd shows them and would let you copy them into a made up font > of your own. Maybe FontEd on an Iyonix might show the additional Unicode set, but on this SARPC it doesn't. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:36:31 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYme0-1tIknw-01-AsJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:36:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYme0-1tIknw-01-AsJ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYme0-1tIknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYmdw-0000jS-FJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47EB2CC9FED; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DNU5OfEXmEYc; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCEA2CC82D6; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99243CC9F9D for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tC3QlRrWuV3Q for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 432CFCC82D6 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.91.159]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NKVDbw000347 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:35:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de44811cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1f7f3ede50.roger@Iyonix> References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> <1f7f3ede50.roger@Iyonix> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 2245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TukciHqNv18WvRtzpLgA:9 a=oqRHiASCYCJGx3BSC6EA:7 a=tzIMwZm8axzOzi1v3BOzx1QrF18A:4 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 In article <1f7f3ede50.roger@Iyonix>, Roger Foden wrote: [Snip] > >r > But, unfortunately they don't show as Latin3 in OvPro - unless David P > knows better. > Sorry about that. > Roger They don't show in Imp Publisher either. But thanks for the thought. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:36:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYmeC-1muknw-05-As7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYmeC-1muknw-05-As7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYmeC-1muknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYme9-0000kU-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9956ACC9FC2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QNdcKwpxzrA8; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB62ACC9FBA; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8548ACC9FC2 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dJZ5QQrQOhkw for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32D9ECC9FBA for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.91.159]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NKVDc2000347 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:00:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de46b907dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oEbfkrm-PV0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=idtH6j4eZvz9rLiLY64A:9 a=09gk19_hnUO_Pa7CfG4A:7 a=JKl1e50Lwabyr9e5WnUTDWudykQA:4 Thanks for all the input folks. Appreciate your time. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:36:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYmeK-1pBknw-07-Arz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYmeK-1pBknw-07-Arz; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:32:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYmeK-1pBknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:32:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYmeH-0000l8-EP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:32:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1125CCA027; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sihqmRwevbdC; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1482ECC9F7A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4EA4CC9FC3 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cYgkrb8g7uVo for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9356CCC9F7A for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.91.159]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NKVDc4000347 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:30:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de49899adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5RWdl-mx2z_yv6_wGXMA:9 a=UCywwvaGXhHRgcsBwqIA:7 a=FMTz4_l_wIdslUC6g_EXqidmAxEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snip] > Not quite. As if by magic the Latin-1 character that happens to be at > the same codepoint is inserted at the cursor, unless you have a > program that allows you to use Latin-3 encoding. I am not aware of any > RISC OS word processor offering an encoding switch. > You can of course switch the global system encoding to Latin-3 (by > typing *Alphabet Latin3 before loading your word processor). Then, you > will notice that XChars immediately displays the Latin3 characters and > you can indeed use all Latin-3 characters from the ROM fonts in your > word processor. However, while using Latin-3, all your existing > documents, which are based on Latin-1 may be displayed incorrectly if > they use any of the changed codepoints, so this is just a temporary > emergency workaround, not really suitable for serious work. > RISC OS word processors should really have offered an encoding option > ever since that feature was added (in RISC OS 3.1!), at least a > document-wide setting, or, better, a property that could be applied to > characters. Then, you could mix encodings in one document. > Of course, nowadays, everything should really be Unicode, which makes > all that faffing about with encodings obsolete. > Martin Thanks for that bit 'O info Martin, I think that will do for what she wants. Fay wants to create the Esperanto document, Print it out, and that's it. So I can create two Obey files for her Pinboard, one that sets Alphabet to Latin3 while the second will set it back after printing to Latin1. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:36:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYmeU-1spknw-06-Arp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYmeU-1spknw-06-Arp; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:32:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYmeU-1spknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:32:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYmeU-0002ZE-1a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:32:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE912CC9FF2; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z+H9Z17qEzb7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6327DCC9FAF; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E150CC9FB9 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3u+aH11FIyoN for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE7B2CC9FAF for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.91.159]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NKVDc0000347 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:31:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:56:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50de46609cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2246 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ga07ggjdf4yg6whjI9UA:9 a=7nkRXDoTGs8vMHjGuMoA:7 a=VFrdqRls56vE12a69TEnfAlDdgUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=CeQnC1CXgtjeAxR6:21 a=H28C6seDkonFPX33:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I assume some of you remember the discussion about Fonts and effTTT which > >I eventually bought for 44.85 Ukpounds. > Knowing nothing, I'd suggest loading what came out of effTTT into FontEd > to see what it consists of. Ben there done that etc, FontEd moaned a lot but did load it, none of the required character were displayed. > As to installing fonts, don't you just copy into !Fonts and then double > click !Fonts? Yes, tried that, didn't work, which is why I tried EFP. The key is remembering some silly programming arse made !Fonts create a Text file containing a list of all the fonts, and if you install something new that isn't in that list, it will not show in any of the RO apps. So you have to manually delete the text file before moving on... However I've done the whole translation of another Font Tahoma via effTTT successfully (Latin 3) And the Characters will show in XChars as Roger notes, unfortunately none of them can be inserted into a RO application correctly. > >I can inform you *without* equivocation, the GM came within a whisker of > >escaping. > GM? =Grump Master a seriously bad alter ego that occupied my life for a few years until Jan 1st 2009. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 20:36:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYmhG-1uaknw-08-Ap3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYmhG-1uaknw-08-Ap3; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:35:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYmhG-1uaknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:35:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYmhC-0000xU-6G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:35:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE891CC9FE0; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bLnvy9V7kjHt; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07BADCC9F4C; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8AA4CC9FC2 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lkLxBiiWrGiZ for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72EC3CC9F4C for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NYmgp-0005kT-oP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:34:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:33:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vzcHrG4kqt79xHgguQgA:9 a=LgljiVvFG2dk3iTvjz4A:7 a=909E8Am9RlJipfNAshNc-7xzIXYA:4 a=yfCxNid93RMGJqb2:21 a=t2BaGoW7AMObEJzC:21 Hi, I'm reminded: " You already have such fonts. The newest fonts with Ovation Pro have all these chars and many more. Just take a look in !FontEd (after locking the font files to prevent overwriting): 4 weights Bookmark, 4 weights Curator, 4 weights Paladin, 4 weights SwissB, 4 weights Vogue, 1 weight Chaucer.Medium.Italic Besides that there are 2 symbol fonts: DPDings and SymbolB These fonts have also a 'Type1' file to make PoScript printing without mapping possible. These fonts have also a 'About' text and an AFM-extract text file, giving additional information. The same fonts in TT format come also with Ovation Pro for Windows. " But as with all the comments above I am worried about the encoding - lack of support in Ovation Pro etc. The usual way this discussion ends is with me pointing out that one can have a text file inside !Fonts which maps names (I can't recall the name Fonts3?), and wondering if it allows one to map a font name + encoding to another name? Martin - I have put thought in to supporting encodings over the years, never got around to it - I appreciate you taking the time to join the discussion. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 21:36:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYnTK-3RWknw-07-A2z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYnTK-3RWknw-07-A2z; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:24:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYnTK-3RWknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:24:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYnTJ-0001hv-Cr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:24:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE4BECC9AAF; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BT1NSNr5OWkt; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BBE5CC832E; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26469CC9A10 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6AYe8P71C+4W for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B97A3CC832E for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.77]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0NLOPqu002461 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:24:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? Message-ID: <50de4e4474dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 2250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4sPabEZgQPY1c_WGCjoA:9 a=d_NNhhCCLk_YBMzYyGAA:7 a=x8MMsHM46RnYjjyVGWa4FPpSTaUA:4 a=xjvNFKmvJWCAttKF:21 a=ruf3rn8GuVOpw46c:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I'm reminded: > " > You already have such fonts. The newest fonts with Ovation Pro have all > these chars and many more. Just take a look in !FontEd (after locking > the font files to prevent overwriting): > 4 weights Bookmark, > 4 weights Curator, > 4 weights Paladin, > 4 weights SwissB, > 4 weights Vogue, > 1 weight Chaucer.Medium.Italic > Besides that there are 2 symbol fonts: DPDings and SymbolB [Snip] You are so right, but of course they only work if the Alphabet Latin3 is done. This has been an interesting and fruitful discussion. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 23 22:21:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NYo9z-08BVbs-03-9MK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:21:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NYo9z-08BVbs-03-9MK; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:08:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NYo9z-08BVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:08:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NYo9u-0006X4-Aq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:08:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59158CCAD13; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uj4zfRAoICB1; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC856CC84F7; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FC1BCCAD1F for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id toxHg4dhvkXl for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18B54CC84F7 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NYo9c-00010H-Zi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:08:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:07:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> <50de4e4474dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50de4e4474dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iR9kkpsxX0kYT3pahuUA:9 a=OKl1S8RqvxWTlgifAOkA:7 a=z4Leh6TQoQrFPf3GTmHSERCZrGQA:4 a=H2AI2b3eOkxx0Wyb:21 a=-tGgW3igsuCDEMCZ:21 Hi, Quoting myself from this list six years ago: ================================================== Sat, 22 Nov 2003 I did have a go at using a !Fonts.Messages1 file to create a new font name with a different encoding - didn't work, and from the PRM's that is probably no surprise. It did bring to mind the idea that you might be able to add to the main encoding file a small number of characters that you want to use. But with the obvious problem that your documents would not be portable to other machines. =================================================== From the PRM (page 3-420) you should be able to tack the encoding on to the name of a font, I wonder if this works in something like Draw - this has the facility to import text files which contain things like font names - a text area. Otherwise one is left wondering how Acorn tested the ability to use encodings in font names. Messages1 is a very sharp tool, the slightest error and the machine stiffs. But adding to the encoding sounds OK. What we really want, is something that sits on a vector and glues the encoding on to the font name before the Font_FindFont SWI gets hold of it, thus allowing use in any program - nice idea for you Martin... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 24 13:24:58 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NZ2Lo-2xmGPo-08-CDX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NZ2Lo-2xmGPo-08-CDX; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:18:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NZ2Lo-2xmGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:18:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NZ2Ll-00039M-A3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:18:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C9F2CC84F3; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rc5mUmmoamsq; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A6CBCC67E6; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01290CC82B5 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zo46QT5WE7mC for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CE59CC67E6 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-4-208-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.4.208]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MUTsx-1NR1yC0Z3T-00RPxs; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:17:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <278d3bde50.roger@Iyonix> <50de49899adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50de49899adave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18JuOXp50ilHKFc+Hw/rHKllQeSONsTSzGQUI0 XTCfnzVoX0Qq6dI2MJBjtg/7M/LzxOVdguz52QFWHK/UoEblP8 YThA4pPddCyJYPcxVNreg== X-archive-position: 2252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZOHr5O2qOCihvFre-EgA:9 a=EBHQMYDo7HGmXA1oqFAA:7 a=IQkKzIoI_XZ7sp7O7lfL9Tcpf_EA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Yb27OyZjaz18hB4a:21 a=FJeeE72BDaKbmGF-:21 In message <50de49899adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > [Snip] >> You can of course switch the global system encoding to Latin-3 (by >> typing *Alphabet Latin3 before loading your word processor). [...] > Thanks for that bit 'O info Martin, I think that will do for what she > wants. > Fay wants to create the Esperanto document, Print it out, and that's it. > So I can create two Obey files for her Pinboard, one that sets Alphabet to > Latin3 while the second will set it back after printing to Latin1. It is worth noting that this global setting does not immediately change everything on your desktop. To be sure that you get reliable output it is best to quit and reload applications after switching system alphabet. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 24 13:39:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NZ2gT-0wp000-04-Bss.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NZ2gT-0wp000-04-Bss; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NZ2gT-0wp000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NZ2gL-0007Sq-RC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:39:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3F30CC981A; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:39:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYfHTdOgofME; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0951CCC5A66; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:38:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D86C3CC87D5 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:38:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ptjGS54aQJpC for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75286CC5A66 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-4-208-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.4.208]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lmwns-1O0gOR3uSC-00hf3U; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:38:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:38:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> <50de4e4474dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/DEwvScYz0td3ioa0FBcUGcUnyl6SqS8/bBYf kuoveBwv9icgkt0MAzi+hPw+93Cy3CLYh53VXVGaDmHHeTaaHI chn4usEs0VPHZiTn7z0WQ== X-archive-position: 2253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dFQYD759-GSLhX3AyIkA:9 a=DtjLc9h6WISsSFDjuUYA:7 a=n-fZ4HaQomBk1wCHDLXAMQwDcKUA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=4DMA-ilqSxi3Jx0s:21 a=llBW02SxFB_5lURd:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > From the PRM (page 3-420) you should be able to tack the encoding on to > the name of a font, I wonder if this works in something like Draw - this > has the facility to import text files which contain things like font > names - a text area. Yes, Draw has no problems with encodings both in text areas but also in normal text line objects, mainly because it simply passes on the font name as is the FontManager. If you put a font name like Homerton.Medium\ELatin3 into a Draw file it displays text in Latin3. It would also work in OvationPro if you could put that font name into an OvationPro style definition somehow. Then, you could even have Latin1 and Latin3 in a single OvationPro file. However, if you hack a font name like Homerton.Medium\ELatin3 into an OP document, then OP complains that the font is not present and substitutes it. The same is true for EasiWriter. > Otherwise one is left wondering how Acorn tested the ability to use > encodings in font names. The FontManager has had full support for encodings since RISC OS 3.1. Testing that is no problem. A BASIC two-liner can display fonts in various encodings just fine. Or, see my XChars application. > What we really want, is something that sits on a vector and glues the > encoding on to the font name before the Font_FindFont SWI gets hold of > it, thus allowing use in any program - nice idea for you Martin... Well, that is not really an option because it would do just the same as the global alphabet switch, which we already have. What we really want is that applications no longer ask for fonts without encodings. The ability to do that is really a RISC OS 2 fallback. Ever since RISC OS 3.1, applications should have been encodings aware and they should have been passing font names with encodings to the FontManager. Otherwise, how can you make sure that your document looks the same on some other machine? Currently, all word processor documents display differently if you switch the global alphabet. That was not the original idea. The whole problem has only arisen because the user base was so much UK centric that users never really asked for that in large numbers. It is fairly trivial for applications to support mixed encodings documents. That said, neither ArtWorks nor EasiWriter do, but then, hardly anyone ever asked for it anyway and nowadays we would of course be better off if we jumped to Unicode directly, even more so as we finally have solid Unicode PostScript printing abilities with the PS3 driver. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 24 14:09:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NZ30T-1t3000-08-BYs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:09:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NZ30T-1t3000-08-BYs; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:00:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NZ30T-1t3000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:00:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NZ30S-0002Px-Sd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:00:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4611ECC95ED; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vJn34T35YxZQ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B60BBCC834F; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9493FCC95ED for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hPJwUPPc1bVq for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BB3DCC834F for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NZ308-0001Cf-gH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:59:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:58:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Any Font thoughts please? References: <50de36cb24dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de45d5f1steyan@talktalk.net> <50de4e4474dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7COp80eAcy8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=TDZ3iPAxUowHvgMhSvwA:7 a=LJeZ6PModnN9bB01nFLQ7CotPvUA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=rvX_d_0qKzLd7w9B:21 a=06yTtVcQzg7wLxLF:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >Well, that is not really an option because it would do just the same >as the global alphabet switch, which we already have. No, no. What you'd do is generate extra font names. Perhaps via the Messages1 file, perhaps by intercepting the SWI that enumerates fonts. So I'd see in Ovation Pro on the font menu: Homerton Medium Homerton Medium_Latin3 etc. Then when the Font Find SWI vector code sees a name with _Latin3 stuck on the end it maps it into Homerton.Medium\ELatin3 In fact perhaps that is an even easier solution, make the font enumerate SWI return names like "Homerton.Medium\ELatin3" OP attaches no significance to \'s in font names. Seemingly I failed to fiddle encodings into the Messages1 file, maybe there is a clever way. >OS 3.1, applications should have been encodings aware and they should >have been passing font names with encodings to the FontManager. Good point. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 24 17:40:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NZ6Pr-1tmVbs-08-Gg0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:40:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NZ6Pr-1tmVbs-08-Gg0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:38:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NZ6Pr-1tmVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:38:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NZ6Pm-0002ja-LR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:38:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 558CECC984B; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Q9-ExSqjhjT; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF7C6CC8EA7; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7379BCC90D5 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCG3nU11QP+u for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from sif.is.scarlet.be (sif.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.28]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04900CC8EA7 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-178-176.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.178.176]) by sif.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0OHbvmF023259 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:37:57 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1264354678; bh=7m9V5DjZhGxX+2ZXdiMS275eVXrtWmbSkdzFvUPgvVU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EpE4WFwI4tszzlwcQriUY7AKBedODsEAAv3VLBY1trH89SGHzC4ThDQ6Ks/A+ukLh Qn01Ke/GBi2by3Mfn7jTf+Bp6BOIGxw+2BRZKjbOTgTwqYRvBX8AtBImcfIGIELPsH OKK0lHh+l+jPfDWTfYina9U49xy/2H3twGm8z8oc= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:38:00 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de46609cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50de46609cdave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.21) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-archive-position: 2255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=GivGGa_SYTSkQuoFmvsA:7 a=weRIKp5TyEAOXZB_4XLZR7TTq3QA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message <50de46609cdave@triffid.co.uk> you wrote: > The key is remembering some silly programming arse made !Fonts create a > Text file containing a list of all the fonts, and if you install something > new that isn't in that list, it will not show in any of the RO apps. > So you have to manually delete the text file before moving on... No, the key is to not always resort to fiddling inside !Boot and complain about having to do that. Use Configure to install extra fonts (and in case you made a mess of !Fonts.MessagesX, you can even regenerate this with 'Font configuration' Rescan option). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 24 18:25:07 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NZ71d-3rjVbs-07-G4E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:25:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NZ71d-3rjVbs-07-G4E; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:17:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NZ71d-3rjVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:17:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NZ71b-0001vW-6p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:17:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87DB3CC8C8D; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XWKvCf-xq3V0; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1105CC8D19; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6037ECC8D01 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kIs9kyvbD-zP for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B317CC8C8D for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.139.146]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o0OIH2qu022912 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:17:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50debfd9dadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de349a46dave@triffid.co.uk> <50de46609cdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 2256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Iiito8HDAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZBj9uF9JS7KUsDDupYUA:9 a=lzGSxgeh03bK1MhnRa0A:7 a=h4IkmMPvp7VPt1b6zgAK75Qs-sYA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=p30zFF5q4akL6OW0:21 a=086Smzfg3zfIPZTQ:21 In article , John Tytgat wrote: > In message <50de46609cdave@triffid.co.uk> you wrote: > > The key is remembering some silly programming arse made !Fonts create a > > Text file containing a list of all the fonts, and if you install something > > new that isn't in that list, it will not show in any of the RO apps. > > So you have to manually delete the text file before moving on... > No, the key is to not always resort to fiddling inside !Boot and complain > about having to do that. Use Configure to install extra fonts (and in > case you made a mess of !Fonts.MessagesX, you can even regenerate this > with 'Font configuration' Rescan option). > John. Oh Yes John, Yes John, Yes John, Yes... I know all about that, but I rarely put Fonts in the !Fonts dir, only occasionally to test a font out, then I remove it and install it in a Better font manager. Problem is, I usually forget about the ...king Messages1 file, the concept of which annoys me so much it needs deleting, and doing it manually gives one so much pleasure. Yesterday evening at the conclusion of my search, with a solution in hand, I *manually* Poked around inside !Fonts and dumped all the experimental fonts I stuffed in there during yesterday, and also of course Deleted (Manually of course) the rescanned Messages1 file. But, just to keep you happy, you'll be pleased to know, at around 10:30 ish PM yesterday (Sat) I did a Configuration Re-scan, so your beloved Messages1 is back in place. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling