From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 4 18:05:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NGcRi-2VPknw-07-BqT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:05:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NGcRi-2VPknw-07-BqT; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NGcRi-2VPknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NGcRg-0003R3-TW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C952CBFC0B; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8I9CBKdGYflK; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A9A6CBF982; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:59:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 537B1CBFB63 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cqkWPK4anZYB for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1054BCBF982 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NGcRN-0006wI-W2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:37 +0000 Received: from [92.236.89.122] (helo=Bravo.home) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NGcRE-0006lm-Ns for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:59:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven J Green To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:39:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] error message on DPScan Message-ID: <50c47a0647stevegreen@clara.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1973 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: stevegreen@clara.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=odjuDJAaDXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WH8WlOoLi34jsfK2bRgA:9 a=-XbcM2ar_h2ap8Fy7jwA:7 a=6gzvnIcWk6tFvnrMr-LMd2tf4KUA:4 I have a Win 2000 laptop which I use in the office, on which is a copy of DPScan (much easier to use than the program which came with the scanner!). On loading this program, I get an error message "The specified color management module is invalid (SelectCMM)(2010)". I tried deleting and re-installing the program, but this didn't get rid of the error message. However, when I loaded the same program on a WinXP netbook from the same source file, I did not get the error message. Can anyone advise what this error message means, and how I get can rid of it? regards Steve To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 4 18:35:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NGcqj-4aSknw-08-BRS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:35:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NGcqj-4aSknw-08-BRS; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:25:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NGcqj-4aSknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:25:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NGcqd-0007Ql-1z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:25:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81E62CBFB1B; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hhlHEGcYZ7-0; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC557CBF574; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BF23CBF800 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzBs8Yy4TV5d for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55D7ACBF574 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NGcqM-00017V-ga for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:25:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9U21MnE3OVGLFwxR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:23:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: error message on DPScan References: <50c47a0647stevegreen@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <50c47a0647stevegreen@clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pCNwy4aNOVwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=dhzyWMy2-SJEUCiyVWsA:7 a=mcOsim7R7wVqSsVnGM8lKo5uc0YA:4 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 a=Qou0rZMZZAkZlxHu:21 a=c-vyCIYtDJpw5EQn:21 Hi, In message <50c47a0647stevegreen@clara.net>, Steven J Green writes >I have a Win 2000 laptop which I use in the office, on which is a copy of >DPScan (much easier to use than the program which came with the scanner!). >On loading this program, I get an error message "The specified color >management module is invalid (SelectCMM)(2010)". I tried deleting and Have a look at: http://www.freelists.org/post/davidpilling/Error-message-from-DPScan-for- Windows -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 5 17:53:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NGydl-2EwGPo-05-FDy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:53:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NGydl-2EwGPo-05-FDy; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:41:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NGydl-2EwGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:41:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NGydg-0002Pe-Gc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:41:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F278CC00A5; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mt70v4AT3d1I; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14093CBFE43; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:41:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCC98CBFE9E for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:41:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhyjYu4-QF-8 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rslr-smtpout-2.cpwnetworks.com (rslr-smtpout-2.cpwnetworks.com [62.24.218.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49EF5CBFE43 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:41:30 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjoFAHIqGks+GID9/2dsb2JhbACBTJdEvAuEMwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,347,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="12845985" Received: from wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net (HELO rslr-smtp-1.cpwnetworks.com) ([62.24.128.253]) by rslr-smtpout-2.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 05 Dec 2009 17:41:11 +0000 Received: from [92.26.255.72] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by rslr-smtp-1.cpwnetworks.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NGyd5-0006L9-Eu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:41:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4B1A9B36.7030603@4ozNuff.org.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:41:10 +0000 From: Graham User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Kanji applet for Ovation Pro, and the fonts References: <20091205060555.2D5A0CBFB02@turing.freelists.org> In-Reply-To: <20091205060555.2D5A0CBFB02@turing.freelists.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1975 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: graham@4ozNuff.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=adS-XQFW8y4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=e_WDC0CgAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1vB-6kJo9W3kyk7lM_AA:9 a=2c9k-WUl4EP4szYZj1IA:7 a=a_bUm_YfJbvBiNXdos0XOV_2rMcA:4 A few years ago I created an applet for Ovation Pro which allowed entry of Kanji and Kana along with the Wadalab fonts necessary. I don't know if anyone other than me uses it, or even if recent versions of RiscOS provide the same facility - I have heard of Unicode support but am still on RiscOS 4. Anyway, to the point, I have had a chance to upload all the fonts (until now only a couple were on the web) and the applet to a site with enough space to hold them. It would be interesting to know it anyone has a use for the software. Information and download is from: http://4oznuff.org.uk/kanji-for-riscos-ovation-pro/ Graham Jones To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 5 22:08:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NH2m5-0Psknw-08-B5e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:08:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NH2m5-0Psknw-08-B5e; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:06:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NH2m5-0Psknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:06:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NH2m2-0003Xx-K0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:06:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 479B5CBFD21; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:06:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BN8ZB5ZGuBBy; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58552CBFCE4; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:06:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A8F0CBFCE7 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:06:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZwVj2yh3JW4 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAB4ECBFCE4 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.112]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB5M6JfP002354 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:06:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:06:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Line question Message-ID: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1976 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nG60ZG8YkXI_DsLqtF8A:9 a=fNFDIhwmp7nRwpOwQWkA:7 a=EnAdWFc9bcb0h3CTn2NE1_iD1QcA:4 If I draw a frame in an OvPro document, (unhilighted) it shows as a grey lined frame and by default does not print out. I want to draw a line in an OvPro document to signify a position for something, but try as I might I cannot get a line that will show in the document but not print. As a last resort, because I needed to complete and print out this particular document this evening, I created a frame and made it very thin, so that temporarily solved it. Is is possible to create a line that will display like a frame (grey) but not print out? Thanks Dave PS: I'm obviously aware that deleting the line after completing the document, before printing, would also solve the problem, but I need to keep the basic outline document as a template for future use, by both myself and others. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 5 22:53:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NH3HP-4W8knw-06-AaK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:53:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NH3HP-4W8knw-06-AaK; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:39:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NH3HP-4W8knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:39:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NH3HP-00009R-2A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:39:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ADD1CBDCC6; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:37:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wUsySUFQXJIq; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B513CBDBDE; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:37:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AE32CBDBC4 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:37:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oUYcsme3tlqO for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05138CBDB7B for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NH3G0-0005Sv-Z1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:37:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 22:36:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1977 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=v1khnaYGgupUNTb4-ZAA:7 a=UOJBksj2KmcL-DLCNoorBS9QPfsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=U4fLbimIlEyhcQpL:21 a=ojy-u_9a1MfSM7Cv:21 Hi, In message <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Is is possible to create a line that will display like a frame (grey) but >not print out? If you look at the edit colours window, there's a button you can check that signifies a colour will not print. So create a non-printing colour, and draw your lines in it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 11:56:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHAWL-31F000-07-Bru.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:56:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHAWL-31F000-07-Bru; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHAWL-31F000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHAWI-0003I4-3P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40D26CBFE8F; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:22:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jc9Ns17xEhi2; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BDDECBFE78; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BE9ACBFE77 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4afSgIB4zDM8 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8D0CCBFE8F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 01:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.253]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB66MceW025917 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:22:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:03:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question Message-ID: <50c541fda8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1978 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zrbP7onwJnYJP6QWXJcA:9 a=XIInfZfKt9DKLlaP5pAA:7 a=PsVjjVrN_vzQRuGPbM8e1MR_qZkA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=loJvhVoY-RUvu2Mg:21 a=fusVEO0aQ6OvynQ2:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Is is possible to create a line that will display like a frame (grey) > >but not print out? > If you look at the edit colours window, there's a button you can check > that signifies a colour will not print. So create a non-printing colour, > and draw your lines in it. Aha! Now I see it. I had a vague recollection the question has been asked before in the past, but couldn't remember. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 12:40:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHGN1-3bE000-04-EXk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:40:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHGN1-3bE000-04-EXk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:37:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHGN1-3bE000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:37:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHGMl-0000mm-Jw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:37:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B10CDCBE0A8; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:37:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XFIdTOHm4Vi8; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB9EECBCFC5; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:37:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EA37CBD001 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:37:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UTxK1rOAFaey for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 475B6CBCFC5 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.85.167.61]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2009 12:37:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3682322A1F0 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:37:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 12:37:12 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1979 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=t7szEoyp20u0BDFXxlQA:9 a=nU2N6eWaFL5VC7ztkBoA:7 a=Puc90pCfQf0osSvrHWZUcq5xZJAA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=BKiihQeGEIY3wZo-:21 a=6-xa6s4BHZPvkRMT:21 On 5 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > > > Is is possible to create a line that will display like a frame (grey) > > but not print out? > > If you look at the edit colours window, there's a button you can check > that signifies a colour will not print. So create a non-printing colour, > and draw your lines in it. If it is a horizontal or vertical line, could a guide be another option? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 19:11:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHMNR-42Y000-01-8XK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:11:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHMNR-42Y000-01-8XK; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:02:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHMNR-42Y000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:02:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHMNN-0005RB-VY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:02:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA1FCCBFECF; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ozOqCJBaKAC; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A961ACBFCDC; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CBC0CBFD67 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uj1yrlNgsURU for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E0CECBFCDC for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.179.219]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB6J28LY022935 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 19:02:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:52:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question Message-ID: <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1980 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Usq-k0J9DMtMD3inKKgA:9 a=9zQj9tsNAGniQRNjAtcA:7 a=cpjON7cDRBmyzm9z1MyoZ5ePRKQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=AWJY_otJ38s9wTEW:21 a=BRpg8Lb6kM13wHdd:21 In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 5 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message > : > > In message <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > writes > > > > > Is is possible to create a line that will display like a frame (grey) > > > but not print out? > > > > If you look at the edit colours window, there's a button you can check > > that signifies a colour will not print. So create a non-printing > > colour, and draw your lines in it. > If it is a horizontal or vertical line, could a guide be another option? They are horizontal. Steve, could you please expand on your suggestion a bit more, as the only reference to that is on page 87 in the manual. How would you make a permanent guide line? Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 20:56:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHO6i-1el000-03-FKZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:56:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHO6i-1el000-03-FKZ; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:53:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHO6i-1el000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:53:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHO6g-0003zz-9v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:53:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73AADCBFA9B; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Sux6CGOXWtU; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EAF6CBF3CF; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73D0BCBF45F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Z0CrnK4OS9F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38EEBCBF3CF for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 15:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NHO6O-00075b-oc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:53:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:52:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1981 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=_0jFBwjvW5XjBNs8_xQA:7 a=l0aRY3gUkTsgGdPAhZ4E01-a0dsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=rwQxNYENmrFMtich:21 a=1f1jse_Y8vRkThUq:21 In message <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Steve, could you please expand on your suggestion a bit more, as the only >reference to that is on page 87 in the manual. >How would you make a permanent guide line? Turn on rulers, click on ruler. You can select horizontal and vertical guidelines and position/delete them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 21:26:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHOUm-2uwknw-07-EwV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:26:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHOUm-2uwknw-07-EwV; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:18:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHOUm-2uwknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:18:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHOUk-0001Nj-UX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:18:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8FAACBF3F0; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:18:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LF+tt3YD+bPZ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FADDCBF335; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:18:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDC46CBF33F for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:18:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id esW2PqTsPrpn for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A032ACBF335 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.181.172]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB6LHup1028161 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:17:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question Message-ID: <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1982 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pwBLatRa4oUXrxI2jgMA:9 a=hpJLg5LGMrTcT3NBoj0A:7 a=sdMBq_1MCeysLOKb24t5WkQaaVIA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=2TGPQQAz1auHY0Tv:21 a=nX-QdNjrFUr33ndS:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Steve, could you please expand on your suggestion a bit more, as the > >only reference to that is on page 87 in the manual. How would you make > >a permanent guide line? > Turn on rulers, click on ruler. You can select horizontal and vertical > guidelines and position/delete them. Yeeees, I see, thanks for that bit 'o info. I don't think that would be any good for me as the guide line doesn't run over the main doc frame. I always have ruler On, and I've often wondered just what those dotted lines that run from the x,y 0.00 in to the start of the main doc frame were. Not that it matters as the non printing line does the business. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 21:56:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHOuM-2M7Vbs-06-EWv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:56:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHOuM-2M7Vbs-06-EWv; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHOuM-2M7Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHOuL-0004Xh-4T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 509B2CBFAA2; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:44:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yl9ISFGs+PA9; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B386CBF6D0; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:44:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 673D1CBF6F6 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:44:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i84X8hW9NzV for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DC09CBF6D0 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NHOu4-0005Jt-iM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:44:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:43:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1983 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=VoRZ7r13obYHhzoUtNIA:7 a=mmUTDexEuTkneHPtXx329zzZgmgA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=42JCwTLrP5KMtSzA:21 a=Co12qqQ87MNK6nrC:21 In message <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I don't think that would be any good for me as the guide line doesn't run >over the main doc frame. I belive doc prefs->view will let you set if guidelines run over or under everything. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 6 22:26:13 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHPTb-3T2Vbs-01-Dxg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:26:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHPTb-3T2Vbs-01-Dxg; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHPTb-3T2Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHPTY-0000pW-M0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:21:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89B11CBF5CA; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:21:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B+c9uqha70Xw; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A962DCBE65F; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 811FACBF58E for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n6g+D3gHXBbN for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FBDECBF401 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:20:52 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEABq9G0tUXebz/2dsb2JhbADVK4QzBA Received: from relay02.plus.net ([84.93.230.243]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2009 22:20:52 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NHPTI-00072u-3I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:20:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:20:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Kanji applet for Ovation Pro, and the fonts Message-ID: <50c59b7371chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4B1A9B36.7030603@4ozNuff.org.uk> References: <20091205060555.2D5A0CBFB02@turing.freelists.org> <4B1A9B36.7030603@4ozNuff.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: f9992524b51f7ef2b56ef840df62698c X-archive-position: 1984 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=K7SowWD5dmoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=e_WDC0CgAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lzpSjh0xbwWRbZBOpREA:9 a=L3ntNAZ2ZO9plcNsegMA:7 a=8rqN5ynNDWLZUYyj9RPieMBnGmUA:4 a=5YOTcMO2AdLwG05_:21 a=TewzXiEMPajd8Wb4:21 In article <4B1A9B36.7030603@4ozNuff.org.uk>, Graham wrote: > Anyway, to the point, I have had a chance to upload all the fonts (until > now only a couple were on the web) and the applet to a site with enough > space to hold them. I would be happy to host it on my resources site. How big are the files? -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 7 11:49:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHXc3-2D0knw-03-ELk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:49:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHXc3-2D0knw-03-ELk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:02:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHXc3-2D0knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:02:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHXc2-0007Ek-6W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 07:02:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E61B2CBFF02; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:02:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5VH08Jdz-7mz; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3BACCBEE5C; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:02:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C67A5CBFEF0 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:02:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5TSQ1uWO7mU6 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7146CCBF105 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 02:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.165.237]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nB77261s018826 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 07:02:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:46:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question Message-ID: <50c5c9cd7cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1985 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ga1ju8omA6hCdbHUYY4A:9 a=Y0yFsl6G_95cfw5bWOgA:7 a=xEJx9XbV_Lp6gYQmQWmY3QHUOvIA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=p_HrsHFW3Zvz2qvy:21 a=eBn_btWTpSczT7Je:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I don't think that would be any good for me as the guide line doesn't > >run over the main doc frame. > I belive doc prefs->view will let you set if guidelines run over or > under everything. Well, there you go, I didn't know that. They say it's good for the old brain to learn something new each day. Thanks again. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 8 11:32:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHi6O-1SLGPo-04-CNv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHi6O-1SLGPo-04-CNv; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:14:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHi6O-1SLGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:14:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHi6L-0000Kz-LX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:14:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29434CBFBAD; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:14:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l2epYgrI1b6t; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2973DCBE650; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2969CBE9BC for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:14:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxeYHXCeHVGd for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail12.bluewin.ch (mail12.bluewin.ch [195.186.19.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83F77CBE650 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[83.76.63.26] Epoch[1260209646] Received: from [83.76.63.26] ([83.76.63.26:48661] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail12.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id DD/A9-05867-DE54D1B4; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:14:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line question To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:13:51 GMT Message-ID: <34b508c650.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <50c5164ecedave@triffid.co.uk> <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk> <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091207-0, 12/07/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1986 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r7uw9u73L0B8LPbiPooA:9 a=J6H0tKX0ysc8He4rhNUA:7 a=_K0cCB_TuoV4ztvwODvm8ouY9ukA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=d8Ld42ztN7uKHNA4:21 a=KBZ30aO5v7vBDMJ9:21 In message <50c5955701dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <50c58860d5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>>Steve, could you please expand on your suggestion a bit more, as the >>>only reference to that is on page 87 in the manual. How would you make >>>a permanent guide line? >> Turn on rulers, click on ruler. You can select horizontal and vertical >> guidelines and position/delete them. > Yeeees, I see, thanks for that bit 'o info. > I don't think that would be any good for me as the guide line doesn't > run over the main doc frame. > I always have ruler On, and I've often wondered just what those dotted > lines that run from the x,y 0.00 in to the start of the main doc frame > were. The 2 preceding paragraphs indicate that in your default document set up: 1. guidelines have been used/iserted to set up the main doc frame and not deleted before saving as default; 2. In "View Preferences (ctrlP -> View) "Guidelines to back" has been selected. In the latter case if you select "Guidelines to front" the guidelines do appear over the main doc frame. > Not that it matters as the non printing line does the business. > Thanks > Dave -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 8 11:32:42 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NHlQf-4HHknw-08-93e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 Dec 2009 11:32:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NHlQf-4HHknw-08-93e; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NHlQf-4HHknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NHlQa-0007RG-6q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:47:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F40BDCC0780; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EcvyZRGvhcdh; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43E20CC06F5; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A6C9CC0759 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmPn2S-xWDwF for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47C07CC06F5 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NHl9y-0003Wj-KX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:30:22 +0000 Received: from [92.236.89.122] (helo=Bravo.home) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NHl9y-0007bJ-2i for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:30:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven J Green To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:17:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: error message on DPScan Message-ID: <50c6197dccstevegreen@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <9U21MnE3OVGLFwxR@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <50c47a0647stevegreen@clara.net> <9U21MnE3OVGLFwxR@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1987 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: stevegreen@clara.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pCNwy4aNOVwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tsyNvvEA75VkAeB35asA:9 a=sJolozYrkagRrXB3ePAA:7 a=Jnmi_ZyS0DXB77JbGIk6oPCgsgoA:4 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 On 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <50c47a0647stevegreen@clara.net>, Steven J Green > writes > >I have a Win 2000 laptop which I use in the office, on which is a copy of > >DPScan (much easier to use than the program which came with the scanner!). > >On loading this program, I get an error message "The specified color > >management module is invalid (SelectCMM)(2010)". I tried deleting and > Have a look at: > http://www.freelists.org/post/davidpilling/Error-message-from-DPScan-for-Windows Thank you for that pointer which has helped resolve the error message. As I almost only ever do BW scanning I had not paid any attention to the 'colour management' part of the menus before, so I did not realise the relevant dialogue required any input fro me. regards Steve To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 10 18:08:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NInPz-0h7knw-02-DGS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:08:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NInPz-0h7knw-02-DGS; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:07:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NInPz-0h7knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:07:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NInPy-0000Wz-HY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:07:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF54CBF72E; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:07:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uJUbyw5bx+d0; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BEA4CC153E; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:06:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C21CC1553 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:06:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xo-mXpcsuKTk for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC386CC153E for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.85.167.61]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2009 18:06:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B7922A143 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:06:52 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:06:50 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] O-Pro for Windows -- Licence for RISC OS Users Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1988 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Kh-LRS1Xx18A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oRDINQhUb1m7i42ZT7EA:9 a=660OHwzEEOy9hXH9rjIA:7 a=yWspf0nFF1JfR5y09ZUIA6-5mGIA:4 I currently own (and still use) O-Pro for RISC OS. Checking David's site, the price for OPW for existing RISC OS users is 60 UKP. Does the discounted price allow for the continued use of the RISC OS version as well, or is it necessary to purchase the full version at 100 UKP for this flexibility? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 10 18:38:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NIngJ-1zxknw-08-D08.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:38:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NIngJ-1zxknw-08-D08; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NIngJ-1zxknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NIngI-0006Ze-KQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:24:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AA04CC15D0; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9IKtr+D7Liua; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B26A0CC15C4; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D24CCC15CB for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzWyrplOT4Mk for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57BE0CC15C4 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NIng2-00079w-kL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:23:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:22:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro for Windows -- Licence for RISC OS Users References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1989 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eBxDiDWYXBwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=P7d5P2LWdPl-VerYFRQA:7 a=931y6ORxNyPpIZ94LsxZp83sQHMA:4 a=VdTMmL8Thh9OPFzp:21 a=DqgI3qQ3qaqLkoAF:21 Hi, In message , Steve Fryatt writes >I currently own (and still use) O-Pro for RISC OS. > >Checking David's site, the price for OPW for existing RISC OS users is 60 >UKP. Does the discounted price allow for the continued use of the RISC OS >version as well, or is it necessary to purchase the full version at 100 UKP >for this flexibility? Yes you can carry on using both RISC OS and Windows versions. I'd not mind if you sold the RISC OS one and carried on using Windows (or vice versa). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5ac3348f.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm3485591eya.19.2009.12.11.06.41.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:41:48 +0000 Message-Id: To: David Pilling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 1990 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ST7YieitgcUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=l5LdGJ5WbzJF0YeukRoA:9 a=OWoBfgJPw1JULOs5VrsA:7 a=vKDX8eSsgiiP2oSX_go-US1cImwA:4 As an update to the earlier discussion ... I had the opportunity today to test OPW in Windows 7 (32-bit) running = under VMware Fusion 2 on an iMac -- no mouse speed problem apparent. Whereas ... OPW in Windows 7 (64-bit) running under VMware Fusion 3 on a MacBook Pro = -- definite mouse speed problem. So, at least 3 potential culprits -- 64-bit Win 7, Fusion 3, hardware = :-( =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 11 21:21:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NJCmz-2Ic000-06-DT0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:21:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NJCmz-2Ic000-06-DT0; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:12:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NJCmz-2Ic000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:12:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NJCmy-0002a4-E7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:12:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7142BCC1A07; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWwr+4aHR7R9; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75A2BCC19A4; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F9A8CC1832 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yr6y6s5aKIFh for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 191D7CC19A4 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NJCmg-0001X6-fa for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:12:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:11:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1991 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ykYmZR9-jusA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_7KEtUZfvBDmFlen3OYA:9 a=5Ac1ot3II4UFXbEXJLIA:7 a=oAizHoTph1jrDSjQvprlFibPZhIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=M72ecSjYa7RJXzun:21 a=Gm_i1VtdmmdQK3Tp:21 Hi, In message , Clive Bonsall writes >I had the opportunity today to test OPW in Windows 7 (32-bit) running >under VMware Fusion 2 on an iMac -- no mouse speed problem apparent. Googling it seems Fusion has had quite a lot of trouble with the mouse in the past - doesn't help and doesn't mean they've not got it right now. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5ac3348f.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm1488236ewy.7.2009.12.11.15.23.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:23:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:23:31 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 1992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ykYmZR9-jusA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QbvDspABZx7T7J9T3UYA:9 a=WEXn8FzvP0AHL-wCs00A:7 a=TUrPykCD_WQWyhRQGQzG7Q1l1AMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 11 Dec 2009, at 21:11, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message , Clive = Bonsall writes >> I had the opportunity today to test OPW in Windows 7 (32-bit) running = under VMware Fusion 2 on an iMac -- no mouse speed problem apparent. >=20 > Googling it seems Fusion has had quite a lot of trouble with the mouse = in the past - doesn't help and doesn't mean they've not got it right = now. If that's the case, then switching from Fusion to Parallels Desktop = would likely fix the problem ... and it has. Thanks. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 11:17:46 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLEEX-0M4Vbs-08-FtC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:17:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLEEX-0M4Vbs-08-FtC; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:09:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLEEX-0M4Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:09:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLEEW-00049A-MK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:09:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02A9BCC1BA2; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RB1LFMlGbbZx; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19E48CC00E7; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6161CC1B8C for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oFPgwTANXkBT for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56467CC1B59 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217110907.INDP27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:09:07 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217110906.AIT2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:09:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:07:19 GMT Message-ID: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=7_WQmEmRIavNMjBQKUQA:9 a=9OPh-gmW0JRdMJuIn58uKbGXLhcA:4 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1993 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7_WQmEmRIavNMjBQKUQA:9 a=JJaMc2X6CjC33BYoQ3QA:7 a=AZdjfSnR3MI8Tbf4h7CTIm16APsA:4 Subject: addressing envelopes I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The later has a slot for envelopes. Any help please, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 12:17:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLFI4-02Hknw-06-Epf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:17:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLFI4-02Hknw-06-Epf; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:17:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLFI4-02Hknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:17:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLFI2-0002oy-Eg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:17:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E49EDCC1D29; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:17:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBucsat8AtXb; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1506ECC1CBE; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:16:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8871CC1D04 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:16:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UjLV21hqL4OI for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81F7DCC1CBE for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAEewKUtUXebz/2dsb2JhbADWBoQtBA Received: from relay02.plus.net ([84.93.230.243]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 12:16:48 +0000 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by relay02.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1NLFHk-0005IL-LT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:16:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 785e287043070202f03213c8e87de04c X-archive-position: 1994 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MlmtJsnF0STRbbrap44A:9 a=8SCFj6HURTqSHpP5zdIA:7 a=E6--UhB_CxGbeqeERW9wYt-dgU4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=eYmz3VYhaJfg0xGF:21 a=dLWkUKbgn-tt7ZPA:21 On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Subject: addressing envelopes > I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my > Iyonix. > I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet > all-in-one. The later has a slot for envelopes. > Any help please, Two ways I do it Alan are, for business, to use windowed envelopes and print the address on the letter in the correct place to show through the window or secondly to export for example all my Organiser addresses filtered on, say, "Christmas" and print them as a mailmerge onto sheets of labels. I dont therefore print directly on the envelope. -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 13:47:42 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLGfM-2BnVbs-02-DSN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:47:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLGfM-2BnVbs-02-DSN; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:45:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLGfM-2BnVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:45:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLGfL-00032r-BS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:45:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8410ACC2207; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:45:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zBO8xw20r0V2; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E7F2CC167F; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55984CC13D5 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g-ih++Dp5CW0 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBAAACC167F for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:52 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,411,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="158013044" Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 13:44:51 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:44:51 +0000 From: Martin Devon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.3 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7uSDHzcBI3E4iQxroyUA:9 a=A8xH89lEek1Jg9wUOQgA:7 a=01OrHrrTiCHHAZQYYPIPHGz0iLoA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=BTHFPr4f7w3h9txw:21 a=Su_LbTMSd0j-VEkZ:21 On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:07:19 GMT Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > > Subject: addressing envelopes > > I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. > > I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The > later has a slot for envelopes. > > Any help please, It's done here using sheets of A4 laser printer labels -- there are 14 on a sheet but it may be possible to print only the top 12. Make up an OPro stylesheet with a text box corresponding to each printable label, with margins. We have a DataPower file of the names and addresses. These are exported as CSV and converted to text with !CSVEdit. The text will have end-of-line as \n so in !Edit or !Zap., with magic characters on, search for \\n (note double backslash) and, with replace all with \x0a and save. The resulting file is dropped into the top left box of the stylesheet and the document should be ready. Sometimes it is necessary to reduce font size or fiddle the odd label where the address is long. Martin -- Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 14:02:42 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLGks-0EsGPo-01-DMr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:02:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLGks-0EsGPo-01-DMr; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:50:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLGks-0EsGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:50:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLGkp-00049Q-RY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:50:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA23ECC2297; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8SqZgYjM4zfI; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAB43CC228E; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A20C5CC225F for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id biVCM0o2zyAK for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25FFBCC228E for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:50:19 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGDFKUtUXebz/2dsb2JhbADWaIQtBA Received: from relay02.plus.net ([84.93.230.243]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 13:50:17 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NLGkD-0005P0-65 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:50:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:49:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb16e7a8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: a0de717d340535ac7203aa84a9a1c6e0 X-archive-position: 1996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_tcy-IiLVQUxeTGGh-kA:9 a=bu4ZvX92W1CDSkZvzSoA:7 a=GqKrfZIzhkJHliCZ5eAJAXRjUpwA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=dnM8JvHm9wEkAVwp:21 a=lhcvXKeKQjFVzkuK:21 In article <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Subject: addressing envelopes > I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. > I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The > later has a slot for envelopes. > Any help please, I set up a blank document with a page size = envelope size, a text frame where the address is to go. In my case the print set up was to print sideways, which is how the envelope is placed in the auxiliary feeder of my laser printer. It is very simple. Just drag and drop the address details into the frame. If you would like an example blank document to examine contact me off-list. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 14:17:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLH6v-0RiGPo-08-D0o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:17:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLH6v-0RiGPo-08-D0o; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:13:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLH6v-0RiGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:13:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLH6r-0007F9-Sc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C236CC17A6; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QrihjHz2Tjdp; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7BCDCC1782; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F7ACCC17DA for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vFkG8-KK07r1 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B585CC1782 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217141323.GRMU17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:13:23 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217141323.RXAZ13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:13:23 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:11:33 GMT Message-ID: <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=fSQTmyaQbjZnaPLus8oA:9 a=jNDWcAauZtA0NKF0EQVR-bCMlmEA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=DpqQ0nRIq2QWNUec:21 a=qqmfuZRPqcDYKmXj:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1997 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fSQTmyaQbjZnaPLus8oA:9 a=4u3PM3ii7afHOrw63GAA:7 a=AAdO16c5Vwjz-4UxHN0jjFyQe4UA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=UhVaMCFUIcIH4wAe:21 a=rYw6MzvSq6HiZgKT:21 In message <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> Ned Abell wrote: > On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton > wrote: >> Subject: addressing envelopes >> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my >> Iyonix. >> I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet >> all-in-one. The later has a slot for envelopes. >> Any help please, > Two ways I do it Alan are, for business, to use windowed > envelopes and print the address on the letter in the correct > place to show through the window or secondly to export for > example all my Organiser addresses filtered on, say, > "Christmas" and print them as a mailmerge onto sheets of > labels. > I dont therefore print directly on the envelope. I never thought of using window envelopes! I will give it ago! Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 14:32:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLHGy-1eoGPo-08-Cql.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:32:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLHGy-1eoGPo-08-Cql; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:24:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLHGy-1eoGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:24:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLHGt-00034D-7Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:24:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DAB9CC1CCD; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:24:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBOFTdmQnR19; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B3B6CC1809; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBD32CC1986 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bUZTeMTe9yYr for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3581CCC1809 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLHGa-0006BG-63 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:23:44 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLHGX-0005Lt-Sr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:23:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:23:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1998 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gaXOZxE-VNqeHe-sxgMA:9 a=awD5xJzc_hm5bPrrMl0A:7 a=97KfdIIT3KCZRjCIEMmXxOv3mB0A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=C-Afw_R8EuIHroco:21 a=zpkwXc6id43vLUNV:21 In article <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> > Ned Abell wrote: > > On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton > > wrote: > >> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my > >> Iyonix. There are all sorts of ways to do this, including those already suggested and -- of course -- passing the job to a dedicated label printer app such as Ray Favre's !Labella as a further alternative method. > > Two ways I do it Alan are, for business, to use windowed > > envelopes and print the address on the letter in the correct > > place to show through the window or secondly to export for > > example all my Organiser addresses filtered on, say, > > "Christmas" and print them as a mailmerge onto sheets of > > labels. > > I dont therefore print directly on the envelope. > I never thought of using window envelopes! I will give it ago! It is the best way where possible. For situations where it isn't, I have a fourteen-frame Ovation-Pro file created by measuring the positions of labels on one of those Avery sheets of laser labels, and doing it that way. Each is a separate frame, and I have linked them from one to the next, making life easier when importing (text) files of names and addresses. It works fine. When I need only one specific label on a partly-used sheet (and being mindful not to pass the same sheet through the printer more than three times max) I use the Ctrl-Enter method to force the single entry into the right frame, on a temporary copy of the same file. Try it: it's easy! -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 14:47:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLHSt-2ED000-04-Ceq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:47:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLHSt-2ED000-04-Ceq; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:36:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLHSt-2ED000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:36:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLHSo-0003rv-OB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:36:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 114B1CC2311; 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Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BC1BCC231F for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217143605.SDNA27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:36:05 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217143605.ZATK21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:36:05 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:33:29 GMT Message-ID: <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=CIFJc1225RIohwndTPAA:9 a=6Dn0XcGN6QmT4JL_WMMA:7 a=I61pWWBPzLHWv4FVExDodeYdqfcA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=lbbPEIg0SnMEtOB6:21 a=t-acRPZ2USFDT9Cf:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1999 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CIFJc1225RIohwndTPAA:9 a=mOcncPAXSpu9nE-VbPMA:7 a=-Bxa2Ntc2dS4kKZwwYsMmThOrzgA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=05k7D2aJ__YfIFU-:21 a=8_kGF7ZjWpI0K0cC:21 In message <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> >> Ned Abell wrote: >>> On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton >>> wrote: >>>> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my >>>> Iyonix. > There are all sorts of ways to do this, including those already suggested > and -- of course -- passing the job to a dedicated label printer app such > as Ray Favre's !Labella as a further alternative method. >>> Two ways I do it Alan are, for business, to use windowed >>> envelopes and print the address on the letter in the correct >>> place to show through the window or secondly to export for >>> example all my Organiser addresses filtered on, say, >>> "Christmas" and print them as a mailmerge onto sheets of >>> labels. >>> I dont therefore print directly on the envelope. >> I never thought of using window envelopes! I will give it ago! > It is the best way where possible. For situations where it isn't, I have > a fourteen-frame Ovation-Pro file created by measuring the positions of > labels on one of those Avery sheets of laser labels, and doing it that > way. Each is a separate frame, and I have linked them from one to the > next, making life easier when importing (text) files of names and > addresses. It works fine. > When I need only one specific label on a partly-used sheet (and being > mindful not to pass the same sheet through the printer more than three > times max) I use the Ctrl-Enter method to force the single entry into the > right frame, on a temporary copy of the same file. Try it: it's easy! That sounds very impressive. I would love to try it, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 15:17:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLHsp-1LfGPo-03-CEu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:17:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLHsp-1LfGPo-03-CEu; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:03:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLHsp-1LfGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:03:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLHsk-0000UO-Rh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:03:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B43ACC22A9; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JGSAOM7msTDt; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58538CC2251; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33B06CC2287 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yPxMikFH61v2 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6ABACC2251 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:02:54 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAC7XKUtUXebq/2dsb2JhbADWToQtBA Received: from relay07.plus.net ([84.93.230.234]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 15:02:53 +0000 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by relay07.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1NLHsT-0002Wu-5R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:02:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:02:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb1d912dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: fc8addbe28aef69a30650b06f9b4e3b2 X-archive-position: 2000 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GqiKTNrm0uwvQdBsgIYA:9 a=GFsJ_wNa2_l54tXhoYoA:7 a=k5vbDOEcEb2SKPewGek0D4eshn0A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=Xvw09egLehPhEwoQ:21 a=OFue5uid-ApR71CE:21 On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> > Ned Abell wrote: > > On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton > > wrote: > >> Subject: addressing envelopes > >> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my > >> Iyonix. > >> I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet > >> all-in-one. The later has a slot for envelopes. > >> Any help please, > > Two ways I do it Alan are, for business, to use windowed > > envelopes and print the address on the letter in the > > correct place to show through the window or secondly to > > export for example all my Organiser addresses filtered > > on, say, "Christmas" and print them as a mailmerge onto > > sheets of labels. > > I dont therefore print directly on the envelope. > I never thought of using window envelopes! I will give it > ago! A4 is generally folded into three lengthwise to fit the envelope. Its a help if you print faint edge lines where the folds are to be :-) -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 15:32:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLIH0-1q1Vbs-05-Bqj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:32:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLIH0-1q1Vbs-05-Bqj; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:28:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLIH0-1q1Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:28:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLIGw-0001Oy-Hb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:28:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A26CCC22A9; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KMuaT58IFbAa; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A19F9CC21DF; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:27:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80074CC2248 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:27:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hF3FflHVPS8b for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48F82CC21DF for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLIGd-0007QZ-7h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:27:51 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLIGb-0008ET-Ii for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:27:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:27:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2001 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KV-DIIHJVf8Sg2693uEA:9 a=3cLha7KzqFkImEwKSdwA:7 a=CUZoZs3DmG9aQgfiWbOzE9xVQsYA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 In article <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> > John M Ward wrote: [mucho snippo] > > ...Try it: it's easy! > That sounds very impressive. I would love to try it, Note: I have now sent my file to Alan via email, with brief explanations. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 17:02:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLJhy-18Mknw-05-APl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:02:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLJhy-18Mknw-05-APl; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:00:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLJhy-18Mknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:00:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLJhw-0000AV-Vi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:00:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 749A0CC22B4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:00:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5G3uoGavKrzI; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96DA9CC224A; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6788DCC225F for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dB8cawmBxd0j for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E7F0CC219C for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NLJhe-0004sG-oR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:59:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:58:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2002 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=WUpDhGz2RZF_RvxhI0sA:7 a=Qmq-66bY8T41u3afLVtvWkzDwq4A:4 a=d-zDBDoOpoR6OpnX:21 a=IMvO6Os5Gup_0AJk:21 Hi, On the subject of labels, there is a label applet, and one feature is that it lets you print just one label on a sheet (auto incrementing number?). In times past I used sheets of 12 or 20 labels, and passed the sheet through the printer as many times. Times moved on, new printers that are expensive (in ink) to turn on and off, less happy feeding used sheets of labels. Currently I have a Brother QL 500 - dedicated thermal label printer - I think it is pretty good. I set off with large sticky labels that I filled in using a typewriter - there's not a lot wrong with that system, and you can feed all sorts of things through typewriters which you're not going to do with a laser printer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 18:32:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLKy4-49n000-03-99f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:32:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLKy4-49n000-03-99f; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:20:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLKy4-49n000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:20:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLKxt-0007kb-Q0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:20:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE1E3CC23C8; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JP7SbwZ+DqMq; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D06D2CC22F6; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0BE7CC231A for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RK6e40tfvcQn for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F559CC22F6 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEALAEKkvUnw4S/2dsb2JhbADWeIQtBA Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 18:20:21 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NLKxY-0008Pk-NF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:20:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: eac1e97dacf78ce75bae2a99f36106a4 X-archive-position: 2003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XQXlK-WFZh7dipPadKUA:9 a=J5SBmIE9cHrs5-Nc_84A:7 a=1nau9x_tWFmSy68wWqeyvKXH9ncA:4 a=eKxvr_5CINMA:10 a=ml4FYdUhSEIA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 In article <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward wrote: > It is the best way where possible. For situations where it isn't, > I have a fourteen-frame Ovation-Pro file created by measuring the > positions of labels on one of those Avery sheets of laser labels, > and doing it that way. Each is a separate frame, and I have linked > them from one to the next, making life easier when importing (text) > files of names and addresses. It works fine. Remember there are a range of label templates on my OPro resources site. http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/templates.html Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 19:32:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLLu8-1w6GPo-01-Gk7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLLu8-1w6GPo-01-Gk7; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:20:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLLu8-1w6GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:20:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLLu3-0003Eu-5l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:20:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5793CCC1B81; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JxbhdxryLw2X; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F465CC1DA1; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 422EECC218D for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2kiBnBvxD61 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3059CC1DA1 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217192012.GIJT27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:20:12 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217192012.RVFY22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:20:12 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:33:25 GMT Message-ID: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=JJUJpvOcCLpbgCXLUMMA:9 a=ZHrY0DGHZH5k4ffR6zkA:7 a=N5QPR-YzmbSrbsjnHDoINcslYmQA:4 a=eKxvr_5CINMA:10 a=ml4FYdUhSEIA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kk8PhWWUcuYJXHKoeusA:9 a=oa3_VsG2wMfFpKYURRwA:7 a=N5QPR-YzmbSrbsjnHDoINcslYmQA:4 a=eKxvr_5CINMA:10 a=ml4FYdUhSEIA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 In message <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org>, > John M Ward wrote: >> It is the best way where possible. For situations where it isn't, >> I have a fourteen-frame Ovation-Pro file created by measuring the >> positions of labels on one of those Avery sheets of laser labels, >> and doing it that way. Each is a separate frame, and I have linked >> them from one to the next, making life easier when importing (text) >> files of names and addresses. It works fine. > Remember there are a range of label templates on my OPro resources > site. > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/templates.html I have put it on my favourites/hotlist Chris, Many thanks Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 19:32:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLLw5-4HRVbs-07-GiA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:32:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLLw5-4HRVbs-07-GiA; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:22:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLLw5-4HRVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:22:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLLw4-0005k4-3d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:22:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F325DCC2235; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZS-I5EtqkB6; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19CFDCC1D3E; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB6EACC2235 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0s6qPEDgIyRM for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49DD7CC1D3E for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLLvh-0000Uf-OW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:22:29 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLLvg-0006zm-UO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:22:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:21:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb354c04john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2005 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WQ13ubl4QVseBfYYhPMA:9 a=Di_E3DrfAYfavudO75AA:7 a=tMi-rfyjKyfRMCQD-RdaexqrXjgA:4 a=eKxvr_5CINMA:10 a=ml4FYdUhSEIA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=gyfzeJ8TuK30TMMX:21 a=a8Bl2BTBe6EzpY6j:21 In article <50cb2f9254chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org>, > John M Ward wrote: > > It is the best way where possible. For situations where it isn't, > > I have a fourteen-frame Ovation-Pro file created by measuring the > > positions of labels on one of those Avery sheets of laser labels, > > and doing it that way. Each is a separate frame, and I have linked > > them from one to the next, making life easier when importing (text) > > files of names and addresses. It works fine. > Remember there are a range of label templates on my OPro resources > site. > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/templates.html Good point! Thanks for the reminder. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 20:17:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLMb4-1qi000-04-G3B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:17:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLMb4-1qi000-04-G3B; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:05:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLMb4-1qi000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:05:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLMb2-00054c-L4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:05:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16FE0CC1C4F; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:05:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcsXoLGJtzQl; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60B84CC19C5; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38CA9CC1C4F for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ih3w3-x-UvUp for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.240]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C80E5CC19C5 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:04:56 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnwQAIkdKktOkdEO/2dsb2JhbABBkQXFHwqEIwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,415,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="210840153" Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix) ([78.145.209.14]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 20:04:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Robin Phillips X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:07:12 GMT Message-ID: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2006 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin-phillips@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WxOR-HwfSXSN4h3bz3MA:9 a=Pe6Kqqu2l279w0rAOqAA:7 a=7-oHmEvy0CcP-x6emQuPDg74ZuIA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 Dear colleagues, In message <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> >> John M Ward wrote: > > [mucho snippo] > >> > ...Try it: it's easy! > >> That sounds very impressive. I would love to try it, I assume you are using an Iyonix. I can thoroughly recommend Impact as a database manager. LabPrint comes with it and is a very versatile programme for designing and printing labels. > > Note: I have now sent my file to Alan via email, with brief explanations. > Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, NG9 1BT To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 21:32:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLNrd-03jknw-02-Emc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:32:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLNrd-03jknw-02-Emc; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLNrd-03jknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLNrY-000330-PS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21485CC245A; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id psVtzLk9IE6V; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 400D0CC20BF; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1211CCC2225 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2XbaJk+U096B for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5F1ECC2220 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217212559.LMQQ27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:25:59 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217212558.FWUO21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:25:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:22:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=H5vN3LqLkhTHZMNfzakA:9 a=vVX-27-3CdbYqMTYR254x8B2rOUA:4 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=1PVtNoFCyRR_0wUZ:21 a=flhObE58fkq4bkzD:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2007 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bNNJaBL7a475ASURC2UA:9 a=X-BxNIOGpzTOKsS27VQA:7 a=aOCBrqA2OjFcr8n-9kT2r2OCVOgA:4 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=STiaoQKB6sJR4TQ5:21 a=j5VsolM-BNKyKAfV:21 In message Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > In message <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> > John M Ward wrote: >> In article <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com>, >> Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >>> In message <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> >>> John M Ward wrote: >> >> [mucho snippo] >> >>>> ...Try it: it's easy! >> >>> That sounds very impressive. I would love to try it, > I assume you are using an Iyonix. I can thoroughly recommend Impact > as a database manager. LabPrint comes with it and is a very versatile > programme for designing and printing labels. >> >> Note: I have now sent my file to Alan via email, with brief explanations. >> > Best wishes, Robin. Many thanks to you and everyone. You are a fantastic lot of guys. Merry Christmas Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 21:32:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLNrt-04sknw-02-EmM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:32:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLNrt-04sknw-02-EmM; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLNrt-04sknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLNrn-0005LS-0M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B309ACC246D; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wTJ8kkep03h5; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2C9CCC2220; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A144ACC20BF for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IecTOLMxyUgg for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54A4DCC2220 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217212613.LMWV27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:13 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217212613.FWWJ21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:23:02 GMT Message-ID: <5a6340cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb1d912dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <50cb1d912dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=nqOfhzpQi628mbjJKy4A:9 a=EKE-te29cnmT4K16bna2XC9e3zoA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=ZX5V7oMEk2c4oH7H:21 a=P7CT01ZIZwn5xoDu:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2008 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nqOfhzpQi628mbjJKy4A:9 a=1tpDM0APBajKpjVXfK4A:7 a=BOb7-s5cyBCYTddSKGuN5lYWDnsA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=cHbaqCTTahHwerFb:21 a=Pt380rhAsK2Vy06H:21 In message <50cb1d912dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> Ned Abell wrote: > On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton > wrote: >> In message <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> >> Ned Abell wrote: >>> On 17 Dec, Dr Alan Leighton >>> wrote: >>>> Subject: addressing envelopes >>>> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my >>>> Iyonix. >>>> I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet >>>> all-in-one. The later has a slot for envelopes. >>>> Any help please, snip >> I never thought of using window envelopes! I will give it >> ago! > A4 is generally folded into three lengthwise to fit the > envelope. Its a help if you print faint edge lines where the > folds are to be :-) Now that is cute! Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 21:47:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLO4f-2p2knw-04-EZa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:47:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLO4f-2p2knw-04-EZa; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:39:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLO4f-2p2knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:39:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLO4c-0004ft-TR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:39:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC14CC19AE; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6mGthY0pK44; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F1B0CC1941; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0471CC194C for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oT9CrWe2tXn9 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from queueout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queueout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.33]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21D95CC1941 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091217212623.BHSF17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:23 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091217212623.FWXP21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:26:23 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:24:10 GMT Message-ID: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=s61VdduxC0UarOgQFD0A:9 a=O0WB76uHEV-nGs47tj4A:7 a=r0HXv7EqI396Edh8bSfXhquTvBwA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=agroWPVzWmtUquSP:21 a=Vw9c5LXU3y_xbQ83:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=s61VdduxC0UarOgQFD0A:9 a=9-xyawEuA83GEU0Ch9QA:7 a=GWoYxGyQv4ETxdmvF40tjSMpeoUA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5lS4-XWXLNVSHeLZ:21 a=r_GRsKMa3GZlqmHj:21 In message <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> Martin Devon wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:07:19 GMT > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> >> Subject: addressing envelopes >> >> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. >> >> I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The >> later has a slot for envelopes. >> >> Any help please, > It's done here using sheets of A4 laser printer labels -- there are 14 > on a sheet but it may be possible to print only the top 12. Where do you get them? > Make up an OPro stylesheet with a text box corresponding to each > printable label, with margins. > We have a DataPower file of the names and addresses. These are exported > as CSV and converted to text with !CSVEdit. > The text will have end-of-line as \n so in !Edit or !Zap., with magic > characters on, search for \\n (note double backslash) and, with > replace all with \x0a and save. > The resulting file is dropped into the top left box of the stylesheet > and the document should be ready. Sometimes it is necessary to reduce > font size or fiddle the odd label where the address is long. Good stuff Martin many thanks, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 17 22:02:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLOCV-1EzVbs-05-ERk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:02:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLOCV-1EzVbs-05-ERk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:47:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLOCV-1EzVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:47:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLOCU-0002rl-4b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:47:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5075ACC22FD; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T3JYlUdxgfjP; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 660D3CC1967; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41A0CCC1D12 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3tAHcjhL6WC for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 049D3CC1967 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NLOC8-00071a-ow for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:47:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb433adbcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=kztVmm01AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KV-DIIHJVf8Sg2693uEA:9 a=HKOMqO5LyvTU-1MWRNIA:7 a=up9z-1HRSi--dNjCP9xgFSCrJ1sA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=-htRqnQv7VUa4Yvv:21 a=LFLeFTvQ4GbyqXTd:21 In article , Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> > Martin Devon wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:07:19 GMT > > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > >> > >> Subject: addressing envelopes > >> > >> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. > >> > >> I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The > >> later has a slot for envelopes. > >> > >> Any help please, > > It's done here using sheets of A4 laser printer labels -- there are 14 > > on a sheet but it may be possible to print only the top 12. > Where do you get them? Many places sell them. I use www.clp.co.uk, others use Viking or, if there's one nearby Staples. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 11:18:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLPij-0ySknw-03-CvW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:18:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLPij-0ySknw-03-CvW; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLPij-0ySknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLPif-0000UJ-OB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:25:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2953CCC1A71; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PhmDc2MRmTjb; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F0E3CC1DA1; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:25:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E426CC1866 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:25:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3aH4lmk1-hKn for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98835CC15F7 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:24:58 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,415,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="151520873" Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2009 23:24:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:24:56 +0000 From: Martin Devon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <20091217232456.41e364ea@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.3 (GTK+ 2.18.3; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=swX-THxwEZzANiPPvtoA:9 a=6Epc9sOJcL9Xslz1hiEA:7 a=0ojO26v_asRQUsaYQhAMhE_D4TQA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=QV34RwY4TwgJzjsK:21 a=avEg14ojG2JCDOc4:21 On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:24:10 GMT Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> > Martin Devon wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:07:19 GMT > > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > > >> > >> Subject: addressing envelopes > >> > >> I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. > >> > >> I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The > >> later has a slot for envelopes. > >> > >> Any help please, > > > It's done here using sheets of A4 laser printer labels -- there are > > 14 on a sheet but it may be possible to print only the top 12. > > Where do you get them? Most office supplies have them. One source is 5 star white labels from Euroffice, item 296794 at 6.49 per 100 sheets of 14. best wishes Martin -- Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 11:18:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLQf4-1XgGPo-01-BzB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:18:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLQf4-1XgGPo-01-BzB; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:25:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLQf4-1XgGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:25:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLQf3-0007IZ-BQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:25:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AC39CC21D4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9tBR6p3pQYz; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CAC9CC1D8A; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CF91CC222F for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zxBGc6+KvUyC for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D94D8CC21D4 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NLQej-0001BM-Mc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:25:17 +0000 Received: from [92.235.171.138] (helo=[192.168.1.13]) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NLQej-0001p1-9t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:25:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:25:14 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20091217232456.41e364ea@PC-Ubuntu> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> <20091217232456.41e364ea@PC-Ubuntu> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.29i (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2012 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0QdHDTf2psEUHeRACd4A:9 a=9C9zklVia3eXOKbM25kA:7 a=_62fpKnCyuXGfdFhX3d9n7pPAvQA:4 a=LZbL-1bIbiHxz8lP:21 a=3yybZan79JRBJXkM:21 Martin Devon wrote: > Most office supplies have them. One source is 5 star white labels from > Euroffice, item 296794 at 6.49 per 100 sheets of 14. Is it still the case (indeed was it ever?) that one needs to be careful to get laser-printer labels rather than ink-jet-compatible ones? I've tended to assume the laser- ones used a different adhesive and so were less likely to come off their backing sheet inside a printer, but maybe that's me being taken for a ride by the suppliers? Presumably it's also better if your laser printer offers a straight-through path to use it as labels going round rollers are more likely to come off their backing? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 11:18:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLRuy-26bGPo-07-AjH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:18:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLRuy-26bGPo-07-AjH; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:46:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLRuy-26bGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:46:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLRuu-0000vC-5C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:46:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8DCCC1D12; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:46:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y3f4fk5BjN2Y; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E0F5CBFFD4; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69685CC0001 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6R6UuOIhzDYz for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30DB3CBFFD4 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLRuZ-0000PP-KO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:45:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:36:59 GMT Message-ID: <25a357cb50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <20091217134451.337350e5@PC-Ubuntu> <20091217232456.41e364ea@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-archive-position: 2013 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wHzibhJuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aOq35vsBze12Oe1TjF4A:9 a=xp0PhiqzApmjw-pEbAsA:7 a=_EcIUKoiubQwL32SO7RiMNUkOYMA:4 On 18 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - freelists wrote: > Is it still the case (indeed was it ever?) that one needs to be > careful to get laser-printer labels rather than ink-jet-compatible > ones? I've tended to assume the laser- ones used a different adhesive > and so were less likely to come off their backing sheet inside a > printer, but maybe that's me being taken for a ride by the suppliers? > Presumably it's also better if your laser printer offers a > straight-through path to use it as labels going round rollers are more > likely to come off their backing? I use Tesco Multi-Purpose labels - just under a fiver for 40 sheets of 21 labels, suitable for inkjet or laser. I've never had one come off the backing sheet yet, even after some sheets having been through the laser printer 3 or 4 times. http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.100-3649.aspx -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every 4 seconds a woman has a baby. Our problem is to find this woman and stop her. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 11:18:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLZVG-4S5000-08-BfV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:18:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLZVG-4S5000-08-BfV; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:52:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLZVG-4S5000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:52:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLZVD-0000CJ-AX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:52:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2B7FCC1B4C; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:52:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id upg1bIql6s-R; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1410ACBFF3E; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:51:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1FF9CC019A for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:51:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wcEWiLRHP8Ck for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpm-eml105.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BEB6CBFF3E for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:51:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:51:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes Message-ID: <50cb84edc9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2009 09:51:44.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4EDC020:01CA7FC7] X-archive-position: 2014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VBfQPCttqtctdhcjD8YA:9 a=y9USOe6-Hzi0coBNTccA:7 a=k_T6h-tRjKldcjvyDlDeATub8gkA:4 Dear Alan and all, Printing to labels first, rather than printing directly to the envelopes, seems a redundant step to me, especially when your printer has a dedicated slot for envelopes. My three laser printers never had one, yet I printed tenths of thousands of envelopes during 18 year. It's a matter of a bit of experimenting the first time (where do I put the frames, should it be rotated?) and off you go. I do agree, however, that windowed envelopes are the easiest solution, as long as you don't need to print logo's or sender information. Again, if your printer can print to envelopes directly, I wouldn't recommend label printing, since label sheets are rather expensive and they involve quite a lot of extra hand work (such as properly sticking them on the envelopes one by one). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 11:33:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLaw3-2C3000-06-AEi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:33:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLaw3-2C3000-06-AEi; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:23:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLaw3-2C3000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:23:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLaw0-0003yW-8c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:23:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3803FCC1B56; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NoSkLjf1+gvT; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4DA2CC112D; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96076CC1862 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TYzm45rQWvvP for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43839CC112D for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (88-202-209-102.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.102]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBIBNSnJ016830 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:23:29 GMT Message-ID: <4B2B6645.6040907@appleshack.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:23:49 +0000 From: Tony Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb0e5d7enedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <37e218cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb19fb44john@acornusers.org> <67e41acb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb1fdaf0john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2015 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tonytodd@appleshack.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-b1MU25Sz0h5RsHaM9kA:9 a=fqEDS_c9WVvmuL_5k9MA:7 a=Tvy__qy02E24sG7SNZgKOnZcJn4A:4 Robin Phillips wrote: > I assume you are using an Iyonix. I can thoroughly recommend Impact > as a database manager. LabPrint comes with it and is a very versatile > programme for designing and printing labels. I would heartily second this. Having just dealt with the Christmas Card labels I can say all has gone easily. Setting up for a new label size is a doddle. Best Wishes Everyone Tony Todd To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 12:03:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLbKZ-29C000-07-9qC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:03:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLbKZ-29C000-07-9qC; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:49:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLbKZ-29C000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:49:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLbKV-0003GP-El for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:49:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80AC0CC2207; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:49:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+ILL3eY8RZw; 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Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb-87-82-30-187.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.30.187] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLbK9-000JEH-8x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:48:45 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:39:09 GMT Message-ID: <5cc48ecb50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> <50cb84edc9Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <50cb84edc9Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h1SzT8BfWgc6U4Ouo5oA:9 a=bw9AY7YYTcHGy1PngNsA:7 a=0NRryI37qOdCT_HHXJ70SESlWyQA:4 Paul Sprangers wrote on 18 Dec: > Printing to labels first, rather than printing directly to the envelopes, > seems a redundant step to me, especially when your printer has a dedicated > slot for envelopes. i agree with Paul, and that's how i did it last year: printed direct on envelopes. however, Mrs N /will/ choose three different sizes and shapes of card and envelope, and carefully choose who on the list gets which choice of card. this makes for the IT dept an extra chore of concocting three sub-lists to print addresses on three sets of envelopes, which last year caused much extra stress in the N household. so this year she's getting stickylabels. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 18 19:33:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLiQB-0J2000-01-BH6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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d="scan'208";a="439644" Received: from 118-92-198-181.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO riscpc.my.home) ([118.92.198.181]) by cust.filter7.content.vf.net.nz with SMTP; 19 Dec 2009 08:12:53 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian J Melville X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:21:10 +1300 Message-ID: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/6.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ijm@ihug.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=IpagLc-UAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4Bp2UmEvgGGRto3Qp7cA:9 a=NR9EeZE-06oJ7OIA0SgA:7 a=i0AM5tDbzgDlcCV8p9xAoY5XHqAA:4 a=nf2phQ6lvBMA:10 a=PWLsth8j3ecA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=Of-rzuCxWySXvUGI:21 a=vzOIZfLBAuuMK3gu:21 In message <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> Dr Alan Leighton wrote: Hi Alan > Subject: addressing envelopes Have you thought about using Ray Favre's LaBella programme: http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html I have been using it to print labels and and name badges, for a society that I belong to, with a lot of success. It uses CSV files. I have just looked in "Start-Up Choices" and it apparently does envelopes as well. How good is that? > I have never tackled address envelopes using OPro on my Iyonix. > I use it with a Samsung CLP 550 and a HP Office Jet all-in-one. The > later has a slot for envelopes. > Any help please, > Alan Cheers -- Ian J Melville To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 19 12:39:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NLyYG-3f1knw-01-CC3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:39:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NLyYG-3f1knw-01-CC3; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:36:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NLyYG-3f1knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:36:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NLyYC-00074e-OI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:36:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C4DCC289A; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4dMqk8YjVmNR; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9629CC27A3; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C8ACCC27F3 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C0Hko0fTiXOD for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10C78CC27A3 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091219123630.HPDX17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:36:30 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091219123630.TJBR13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:36:30 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: addressing envelopes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 08:18:46 GMT Message-ID: References: <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=mKHq4jO93M8A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=IpagLc-UAAAA:8 a=h1zqZHWGPSGj-OFvCuYA:9 a=P9kM9gFO9Ys-alSwHVuaAwHILXgA:4 a=nf2phQ6lvBMA:10 a=PWLsth8j3ecA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=IpagLc-UAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h1zqZHWGPSGj-OFvCuYA:9 a=8gt6tW5yyWM8Z_EMlEMA:7 a=HaGty6m5ljEYYPlpd2i21DJykEQA:4 a=nf2phQ6lvBMA:10 a=PWLsth8j3ecA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In message Ian J Melville wrote: > In message <5c0408cb50.alan@ntlworld.com> > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Hi Alan >> Subject: addressing envelopes > Have you thought about using Ray Favre's LaBella programme: > http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html > I have been using it to print labels and and name badges, for a > society that I belong to, with a lot of success. It uses CSV files. > I have just looked in "Start-Up Choices" and it apparently does > envelopes as well. > How good is that? Sounds good to me! Cheers Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 24 00:14:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NNYyi-0N1GPo-06-G3n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:14:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NNYyi-0N1GPo-06-G3n; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:42:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NNYyi-0N1GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:42:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NNYyf-0004Bu-KG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:42:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15FB0CC16F8; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ndn6cYjBcahW; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 025EECC1602; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC8A8CC16F7 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5qWbQgDivNn7 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C7F2CC1602 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:42:23 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,443,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="152777608" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2009 21:42:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3742A9A0BD for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:41:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:42:20 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro for Windows -- Licence for RISC OS Users Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60.1.3104 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2019 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eBxDiDWYXBwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=v_jDg1SF2NBk3Jme0vYA:9 a=3AShY5GegVpAEz40dwcA:7 a=EnYmg5EKmMsdirei66t5oUFNO98A:4 a=OFumsBQbnZrogeKP:21 a=z2C22pZ_FiUi_KsO:21 On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message , Steve Fryatt > writes > > I currently own (and still use) O-Pro for RISC OS. > > > > Checking David's site, the price for OPW for existing RISC OS users is > > 60 UKP. Does the discounted price allow for the continued use of the > > RISC OS version as well, or is it necessary to purchase the full version > > at 100 UKP for this flexibility? > > Yes you can carry on using both RISC OS and Windows versions. I'd not mind > if you sold the RISC OS one and carried on using Windows (or vice versa). OK; thanks. I hope to continue with the RISC OS version for a while, but can see things inexorably migrating towards another platform and need some future-proofing for all the work I've accumulated over the years. :-) -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 24 00:14:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NNaMJ-1RjGPo-02-EgC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:14:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NNaMJ-1RjGPo-02-EgC; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:11:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NNaMJ-1RjGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:11:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NNaMG-00050Z-NT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 119AECC236E; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:11:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0pLSsaJnz4A; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D11CC233F; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EFE6CC235B for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CbwxINxTprft for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44869CC233F for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1139 invoked by uid 89); 23 Dec 2009 23:10:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 23 Dec 2009 23:10:42 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro for Windows -- Licence for RISC OS Users To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:15:24 +0800 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eBxDiDWYXBwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iliHAmYYXakZIuMdTmUA:9 a=XVS8126Nja5sn7wpnSoA:7 a=vJDmBcZkF3mBYn80F1XOHmJIV1wA:4 a=1GIYhEX56rgf2HB7:21 a=3TKZ2ic62pz_JVlX:21 In message Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message > : >> In message , Steve Fryatt >> writes >>> I currently own (and still use) O-Pro for RISC OS. >>> >>> Checking David's site, the price for OPW for existing RISC OS users is >>> 60 UKP. Does the discounted price allow for the continued use of the >>> RISC OS version as well, or is it necessary to purchase the full version >>> at 100 UKP for this flexibility? >> >> Yes you can carry on using both RISC OS and Windows versions. I'd not mind >> if you sold the RISC OS one and carried on using Windows (or vice versa). > OK; thanks. I hope to continue with the RISC OS version for a while, but > can see things inexorably migrating towards another platform and need some > future-proofing for all the work I've accumulated over the years. >:-) Just hope you haven't used too many different fonts that don't have a match on the 'other side' If the document is a large one the substitute can throw the whole thing out of whack! ie the layout will vary, perhaps only slightly, but will have a cumulative effect! -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 26 17:57:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOWIQ-1T4Vbs-01-GPh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOWIQ-1T4Vbs-01-GPh; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:03:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOWIQ-1T4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:03:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOWIP-000174-QU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:03:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2DB0CC2CA0; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:03:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IsmIsuPZFGim; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8B90CC2C5B; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97A33CC2C69 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r272I1TqVfZv for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F10F8CC2C5B for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.112.29.2] (helo=lab.4QD) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NOWI8-0007W9-2R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:02:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Richard Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:36:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] O-Pro Start page no? Message-ID: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 2021 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YZ6FSEGkFD0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=anbA7sKmY7mQ_1DE-7QA:9 a=HYfV-6DbQAUA3PYDwMgA:7 a=bM86Yz3fh6GS3MTKzXBrmeuTmqMA:4 How do I start a document other than at page 1? Starting a new chapter in the current document is easy - but I cannot find how to do chapters as separate files, as the O-Pro manual does. That starts e.g. chapter 12 at page 163. Also - having made a 'template' document, for instance by importing a large text file, I can find no easy way of splitting this up into separate 'chapter' files suitable for printing, as the O-Pro manual is done. --=20 Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 26 17:57:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOWZX-2c4Vbs-06-G8a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOWZX-2c4Vbs-06-G8a; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:20:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOWZX-2c4Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:20:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOWZV-0001Ct-IK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:20:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DC76CC2B55; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Nu1e-2pSGpM; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 111B9CC2B45; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADCFCCC2B46 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UbewNEDScUcg for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72C65CC2B45 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NOWZD-00035h-aM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:20:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:20:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro Start page no? Message-ID: <50cfb6b806peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> References: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2022 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fqpCFGSnkicA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pMrKvXk_quOSsjqpIUYA:9 a=BucbuKEJFuxwOmVaJz8A:7 a=9m5vyoX6loW9DN5oJIzVQ8JGzTEA:4 a=eM3DKgZ30qorCVmk:21 a=7ZVSG4FKvUS-PqVc:21 In article <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk>, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: > How do I start a document other than at page 1? Page > Modify chapter > Start number -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 26 17:57:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOYgd-4E4Vbs-04-E1U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOYgd-4E4Vbs-04-E1U; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:36:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOYgd-4E4Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:36:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOYgb-0005LJ-9g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:36:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 559E9CC2B22; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:36:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wb5YdRqqmMe4; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DC5ECC2ADE; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5816CCC2AF1 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DVxD9A2RcCrZ for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail13.bluewin.ch (mail13.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.62]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9038CC2ADE for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:35:52 -0500 (EST) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[85.2.85.145] Epoch[1261841750] Received: from [85.2.85.145] ([85.2.85.145:2200] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail13.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 69/7D-03945-65D263B4; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:35:50 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro Start page no? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:35:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091226-0, 12/26/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 2023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fqpCFGSnkicA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=891GqMbAUVJHZj6wNTgA:9 a=y7shGOzmYqEIE4DlGeIA:7 a=V0RurMQCdty7Pa1nUAez1PXfKvEA:4 a=YmQ1McSVboNFwff8:21 a=hT3xu9sT5bBYfuVn:21 In message <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> "Richard Torrens (lists)" wrote: [snip 1st question as already answered.] > Also - having made a 'template' document, for instance by importing a > large text file, I can find no easy way of splitting this up into > separate 'chapter' files suitable for printing, as the O-Pro manual is > done. Two possibilities. But 1st you must know how you must create separate chapters (Menu>Page>New chapter>...select after..). 1st way: Select the part of the text you want in a chapter, then Save Selection" and drag to the relevant chapter. 2nd way: Create as many chapters as you believe needed (you can always add or delete later on). Import all text in chapter 1. Mark all text. Now go to the point where you want the 2nd chapter to start and *right* click there (the preceding text will be unmarked). Then left click and hold within marked text and drag to the following chapter. Etc., etc. (watch the Info palette to know which chapter the pointer/caret is). In the latter case you can also save the marked text and then copy it to the following chapter. Takes more time. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 26 18:27:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NObHv-1TB000-02-BQC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:27:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NObHv-1TB000-02-BQC; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:22:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NObHv-1TB000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:22:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NObHs-0001dM-RF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:22:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3184CC28F0; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z4TQFO0HHjLV; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8604CC244D; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8531FCC2483 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YI6GA-POSwB8 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CBDBCC244D for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NObHb-0003ZU-dA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:22:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:21:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro Start page no? References: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fqpCFGSnkicA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=AU9nIG0z08HYGE2_uG0A:7 a=2DU6eWMU-ddEAuY_lnqj8H3uYTcA:4 a=b880myQenWqDRYYz:21 a=-K0a28Nwn6t6R-Vk:21 In message <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Richard Torrens (lists)" writes >Starting a new chapter in the current document is easy - but I cannot find >how to do chapters as separate files, as the O-Pro manual does. That >starts e.g. chapter 12 at page 163. Note that the page menu offers you the ability to copy and paste chapters, that along with the ability to delete chapters lets you move chapters into separate documents. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 27 17:19:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOwZm-1C0GPo-03-Fht.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:19:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOwZm-1C0GPo-03-Fht; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:06:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOwZm-1C0GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:06:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOwZk-0006Os-Iw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:06:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F20A6CC2A8E; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JHS1fhDBa8hv; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36338CC28E0; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1298BCC2A8E for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DDZtto+448X5 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6A2DCC28E0 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 12:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NOwZJ-0007ML-Wo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:06:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:04:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 24th. December 2009 References: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2025 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pEWCKIKJFfIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=HTHnNZP8hMWpXiPzBiQA:7 a=QsUDUp6t9-v2l09MA0g6aLHDTXgA:4 a=TLGMUcLArRLfGyuo:21 a=gliPLbwf8Qdkfvez:21 Hi, I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows. Just one bug fix: "Referenced images from RISC OS often use a macro {filepath} which OPW is clever enough to recognise and translate for Windows, but this only works if the macro is all lower case. Now improved to handle any capitalisation. Should improve portability of documents between systems." Upgrade available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOyNZ-4FGknw-01-Du6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOyNZ-4FGknw-01-Du6; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:02:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOyNZ-4FGknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:02:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOyNV-0003N6-78 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:02:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03A3BCC2B43; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:02:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id leVCdu2PyaGA; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EDA9CC2AF6; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:01:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA36ECC2B08 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gVVo6r9jwcxW for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A744CC2AF6 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.177.19]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRJ1l6j010683 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:01:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:01:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts Message-ID: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZYDwLabrlQqxO-KkTKwA:9 a=rh3Y46BPuCv9Osxw9AEA:7 a=F2FLJrdxsMf8ioxhwH2tWgPIQM0A:4 As I use OvPro on both RISC OS and MS-Windows, I have a small set of fonts that are the same on both platforms, this enables me to Write/Use/Edit them on either platform. However, there are a couple of decorative TTF fonts I use on the PC side that have no equivalents I can find on the RO side. The PC fonts don't seem to have any copyright annotations so I'd like to convert them to RO so I can continue to use/edit OvPro docs on either platform. Any useful suggestions how I could convert them. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOyWG-28aknw-08-DlP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOyWG-28aknw-08-DlP; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:11:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOyWG-28aknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:11:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOyWE-0003F3-AP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:11:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33995CC2BC7; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vPRm4V6Le1nC; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42D74CC2B3B; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:10:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FFC3CC2B60 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:10:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fUFpNtNxWHv5 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FBC5CC2B3B for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-208-30.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.208.30]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRJAqL1011044 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:10:53 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:10:22 GMT Message-ID: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2qvidmzx2IDSqerV4F0A:9 a=d8k89fAwFCyFS9zc5hoA:7 a=Jen01Wh9EzAVXOL2kOImQAfFLSMA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=73Q7-PbieCpgfvGD:21 a=npCH7j0wdiAoGqHG:21 On 27 Dec 2009 Dave Symes wrote: > As I use OvPro on both RISC OS and MS-Windows, I have a small set of fonts > that are the same on both platforms, this enables me to Write/Use/Edit > them on either platform. > However, there are a couple of decorative TTF fonts I use on the PC side > that have no equivalents I can find on the RO side. > The PC fonts don't seem to have any copyright annotations so I'd like to > convert them to RO so I can continue to use/edit OvPro docs on either > platform. > Any useful suggestions how I could convert them. I may well have got my definitions of fonts wrong, but is T1ToFont, I think supplied with many versions of RISC OS, what you are looking for? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.u To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOyen-288000-03-Dcs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOyen-288000-03-Dcs; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:20:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOyen-288000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:20:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOyei-0004gu-AV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:20:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547E8CC28FD; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dMQE-JtHH6OA; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 824E1CC2888; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 616F0CC28C0 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TxYpYEVdUGJr for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2602DCC2888 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NOyeR-0002If-1z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:19:39 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NOyeQ-0003J7-2i for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:19:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:19:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d05b6cd1john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2028 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L709uZ-a967DNpa6518A:9 a=I5LcQw6oS1h6YuP9R-EA:7 a=6PA9-9FaNB4WQOpaYndZ1qn0KzcA:4 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=tWogGDSaZPesG5q6:21 a=5hPfa9xMKQBlcMPi:21 In article , Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 27 Dec 2009 Dave Symes wrote: > > As I use OvPro on both RISC OS and MS-Windows, I have a small set of > > fonts that are the same on both platforms, this enables me to > > Write/Use/Edit them on either platform. However, there are a couple > > of decorative TTF fonts I use on the PC side that have no equivalents > > I can find on the RO side. > > The PC fonts don't seem to have any copyright annotations so I'd like > > to convert them to RO so I can continue to use/edit OvPro docs on > > either platform. > > Any useful suggestions how I could convert them. > I may well have got my definitions of fonts wrong, but is T1ToFont, I > think supplied with many versions of RISC OS, what you are looking > for? Actually, on this occasion you have got it wrong. Type 1 fonts are not the same as TrueType Fonts (TTF). Fortunately, the Electronic Font Foundry has for sale a conversion utility called !effTTT (dated 1998!) that will work on non 32-bit-only platforms directly, and probably under Aemulor (though I haven't tried this) on Iyonix and A9home computers. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOyhC-2hbknw-02-DaT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOyhC-2hbknw-02-DaT; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:22:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOyhC-2hbknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:22:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOyhA-0007Vn-UN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:22:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2812CCC293C; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HEVU17gi0MEW; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DBDBCC2888; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB29DCC2918 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wgv9vCHynryo for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80BEFCC2888 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so11366704ewy.26 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.26.199 with SMTP id f7mr15284840ebc.72.1261941730102; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac334b0.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm22838646eyg.20.2009.12.27.11.22.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:22:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:22:08 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2029 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=igt5-prTb4ztb9BITwIA:9 a=rL7X4Mo2qlTtQdSKQLoA:7 a=YNfeE8SF8Xxk-WI9AW8241hmdGsA:4 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 On 27 Dec 2009, at 19:01, Dave Symes wrote: > As I use OvPro on both RISC OS and MS-Windows, I have a small set of fonts > that are the same on both platforms, this enables me to Write/Use/Edit > them on either platform. > However, there are a couple of decorative TTF fonts I use on the PC side > that have no equivalents I can find on the RO side. > > The PC fonts don't seem to have any copyright annotations so I'd like to > convert them to RO so I can continue to use/edit OvPro docs on either > platform. > > Any useful suggestions how I could convert them. Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOyyR-3Hdknw-02-DJE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOyyR-3Hdknw-02-DJE; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOyyR-3Hdknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOyyO-00016V-Tk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 750DECC2CC4; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rxjr7vEfIoff; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F7A2CC2B6E; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A07ACC2B75 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cwbyDKztqqiK for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECB7FCC2B6E for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.69.201]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRJduTX012146 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:39:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:37:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PKA6DCd-ZrY1vdvrywsA:9 a=gr_PV1csG0PzsNPYiPMA:7 a=Ij0WcpaYE8ZK63GNNHngoP1xEJcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=T1Iw5HZhxmPFdy16:21 a=ye-zj_8H2hkWpxHS:21 In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: [Snippy] > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > ========================================== > C.B. > ========================================== Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a couple of fonts. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOyyV-3EsVbs-05-DJA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOyyV-3EsVbs-05-DJA; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOyyV-3EsVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOyyQ-0004px-8L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C668CC2CA3; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35+3M1PR3Gpr; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CEDFCC2C32; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4896ACC2CA3 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNY3KlvT1nJ9 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3DAACC2C32 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.69.201]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRJduTZ012146 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:39:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d05d3d32dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d05b6cd1john@acornusers.org> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d05b6cd1john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2031 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0UlwTEuXCpTPXpempB4A:9 a=RsCskAgBeieUes2dZTEA:7 a=rGXMdJ6902cQgQMMdmysa8USma0A:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 In article <50d05b6cd1john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward wrote: {snippy] > Actually, on this occasion you have got it wrong. Type 1 fonts are not > the same as TrueType Fonts (TTF). Fortunately, the Electronic Font > Foundry has for sale a conversion utility called !effTTT (dated 1998!) > that will work on non 32-bit-only platforms directly, and probably under > Aemulor (though I haven't tried this) on Iyonix and A9home computers. Thanks, but again too much dosh required to convert a couple of fonts. Were I going to do a lot of conversion it would be worth the spends, but not in this case. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOzNx-3jAknw-07-Cti.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOzNx-3jAknw-07-Cti; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:06:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOzNx-3jAknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:06:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOzNu-0004SG-L1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:06:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C4BACC2D82; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sVvzBwqrho4y; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CC48CC2CE6; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB02ECC2CF7 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kc8xPZ9ohUUr for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5521CC2CE6 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NOzNd-00054h-Yf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:06:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:13:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rWow9u1Vo2MnPNqY34cA:9 a=Mkb1FXn7C-EFD5dW7ycA:7 a=HxO18LWV9pFRO3X9BxnoH-OS-lMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=9Judar1a6JV3cjyY:21 a=hNyqbUsGBLFTJU_x:21 In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > [Snippy] > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > ========================================== > > C.B. > > ========================================== > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a couple > of fonts. why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NOzT8-3k5000-03-CoX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NOzT8-3k5000-03-CoX; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:12:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NOzT8-3k5000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:12:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NOzT6-0002MY-IX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:12:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1B56CC2D99; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pVGs7T5S-5+y; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0103CC2D07; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD0ECCC2D94 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rGDcJXesJiL7 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EFC1CC2D07 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NOzSo-0007Ea-UZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:11:42 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NOzSo-0006qG-E2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:11:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:10:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0602112john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OwQ3Lt-UwfOYTSwYk94A:9 a=HzLRuesvtDoMF3eqt8MA:7 a=_AYyA_KAZx9ITbPWJQXN62rwQ1oA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=mXxj46Ses5vP59Wu:21 a=K_igDuiTILIBzU4Q:21 In article <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > [Snippy] > > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a > > couple of fonts. > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? I don't: I bought the utility, not just for then but for the future, as I knew that many (non-commercial) fonts that we don't have natively are available in TrueType format. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NP016-4gS000-03-CGZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NP016-4gS000-03-CGZ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:47:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NP016-4gS000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:47:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NP013-00049B-2l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:47:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0101CC2CDE; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:47:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lEdzVUnXMtgR; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8C42CC2CC2; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1215CC2CC4 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fWDjP3NUiD+O for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1E30CC2CC2 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NP00l-00048R-hM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:46:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:53:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d06409f9charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d0602112john@acornusers.org> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d0602112john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VF-BIgN3BPZSQ7tW76sA:9 a=33VE-uRkbnXVOPKmOuYA:7 a=MgSqIv-jeITFbBasgoljLYzFQ-0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=-fruAa57M2hVjxbS:21 a=eFK1jo6wEpE-L0aD:21 In article <50d0602112john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward wrote: > In article <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > [Snippy] > > > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a > > > couple of fonts. > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? > I don't: I bought the utility, not just for then but for the future, as I > knew that many (non-commercial) fonts that we don't have natively are > available in TrueType format. as I did. I needed it immediately to reproduce, in RISC OS, a customer's layout. I've used it quite a few times since. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NP0dp-1ZsGPo-05-Bdq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NP0dp-1ZsGPo-05-Bdq; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:27:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NP0dp-1ZsGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:27:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NP0dm-0002xF-I9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:27:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60B1DCC2DE9; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:27:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcMW3iPYyQMc; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73A84CC2D77; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:26:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50CFBCC2D95 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:26:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LYTdGMSzeWWD for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02166CC2D77 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.172.233]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBRLQivU016227 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:26:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2035 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qPT8uBawwj4J_KC6mcIA:9 a=lPy_G01D0RxP-kZ9Y8AA:7 a=fLmLRvczP4NH8orBOCBeAWxK9TIA:4 a=gBDfLbhb6pwbpiJ3:21 a=uPZxVQdrMcWpTchE:21 In article <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: [Snippy] > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a > > couple of fonts. > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? Mmnn! seems like someone has lost the spirit of the season... However Charles, I am personally offended by your slight... Unlike a lot of folks here and other places, I put out quite a bit of lolly every year supporting software upgrades. I'm still one of a small number putting out 100 quid a year to support the RO Select project. In recent times, I've paid for updates to LanMan98 and Organizer. Unlike a lot of bootleggers... On the Win PC side, I do actually pay for my software (Win 7 and Word 2007 being the most recent) and also pay regularly for upgrades. (It's worth noting, I was offered bootleg copies of both the above Win PC items, but declined in favour of spending the lolly). Unlike you pejorative rich folks, some of us are working for a crust in financially difficult times. So it has to be a case of calculating where and what spends are most cost effective, and at present 40 or 50 quid for an app just to process a couple of fonts is *not* going to cut the mustard. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NP1Qc-2yIVbs-04-Ar3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NP1Qc-2yIVbs-04-Ar3; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:17:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NP1Qc-2yIVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:17:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NP1QZ-00051z-HX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:17:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2834ACC29F7; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y1KHgKvlXcEa; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41FE4CC25A6; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BFC6CC2975 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AHANIWM+FLXs for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9F10CC25A6 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NP1QH-0002h9-c2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:17:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:24:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PWz-AyXJZ9Iy-3Kh2jsA:9 a=LnO1jZy4xfCAMDM-DBUA:7 a=IYeiRJrhiE9rq_Ds_yp4h-V_HVgA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=03b5I4SLU-jkgAnB:21 a=IYhF3UZ71R4VX27U:21 In article <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > [Snippy] > > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a > > > couple of fonts. > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? > Mmnn! seems like someone has lost the spirit of the season... > However Charles, I am personally offended by your slight... It was a general observation, not a personal one. > Unlike a lot of folks here and other places, I put out quite a bit of > lolly every year supporting software upgrades. > I'm still one of a small number putting out 100 quid a year to support the > RO Select project. > In recent times, I've paid for updates to LanMan98 and Organizer. > Unlike a lot of bootleggers... On the Win PC side, I do actually pay for > my software (Win 7 and Word 2007 being the most recent) and also pay > regularly for upgrades. In comparision with the cost of those Microsoft products, the EFF one hadly figures on the scale. > (It's worth noting, I was offered bootleg copies of both the above Win PC > items, but declined in favour of spending the lolly). > Unlike you pejorative rich folks, some of us are working for a crust in > financially difficult times. I'm now a pensioner but still put money into the pockets of RISC OS software authors and dealers. > So it has to be a case of calculating where and what spends are most cost > effective, and at present 40 or 50 quid for an app just to process a > couple of fonts is *not* going to cut the mustard. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPAJd-3gqknw-04-AUY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPAJd-3gqknw-04-AUY; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:46:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPAJd-3gqknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:46:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPAJb-0007SH-EH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:46:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09C55CC28F7; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xKSnhnH1nqMS; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E31A2CC2837; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7537CC283F for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W+ZIaM69Q6Pl for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68FACCC2837 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:46:38 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMHALrxN0tUXebz/2dsb2JhbACCP88ihDMEiSQ Received: from relay02.plus.net ([84.93.230.243]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2009 07:46:38 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NPAJJ-0000HQ-SZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:46:38 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 24th. December 2009 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:46:26 GMT Message-ID: <62d29fd050.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: 523d4f25a7da95a440e2dc01cc927a02 X-archive-position: 2037 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1SYFFT0kBC4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5ajGX3Cm2U6DMW5W1PwA:9 a=VAU1bKZuQYvu7b6Rha0A:7 a=uYbW7fR99xkwwI_ybgF8HeuzWN4A:4 a=lkq-XSI33DMeLZ2N:21 a=TXVlziZRTqTuO25J:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows. Just one > bug fix: > "Referenced images from RISC OS often use a macro {filepath} which OPW > is clever enough to recognise and translate for Windows, but this only > works if the macro is all lower case. Now improved to handle any > capitalisation. Should improve portability of documents between > systems." > Upgrade available from: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Thanks David - much appreciated. -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 11:46:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPAO2-1CyVbs-01-AQ9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:46:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPAO2-1CyVbs-01-AQ9; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:51:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPAO2-1CyVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:51:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPANz-0000rA-P0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:51:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6F81CC29A8; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MdI0uBR0987U; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E300ACC283F; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC834CC28F7 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xmqBgzJVNP-I for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58B71CC283F for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.249.196]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBS7p8VM008194 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:51:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:21:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bNksrCVEULp-hAiQdLgA:9 a=8cXxfYRPIcgu3xchTowA:7 a=eKlvKP2MOBP7Nwkvh54oPrlevSsA:4 a=ifshLEC_xXB3ybVF:21 a=78j_H0TmP19sKT7O:21 In article <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: [Snippy] > In comparision with the cost of those Microsoft products, the EFF one > hadly figures on the scale. In the context of this chat, not really a relevant observation Charles. 40 quid plus Vat for a use once product... Compared to some MS-Win stuff that we need for use all the time. (More and more folks are sending paperwork in DocX format). If I could see a lot of use for the RO application I would purchase it, but I've thought about it, and as far as I can see/think ahead, no other use except this single operation. I think this conversation should stop now, as it's not quite relevant to D Pilling software. Dave PS: Fay has just pointed out to me that the Laptop, which one or the other of us uses every day, needs a new battery... So it's now 40 quid plus VAT for a One use app or a new battery for a machine used every day of the week. Mmnnn! D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 12:31:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPEX3-3aE000-08-Ene.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:31:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPEX3-3aE000-08-Ene; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPEX3-3aE000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPEX2-00072o-Ub for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4D65CC2ACD; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:17:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZtDxFN9KpcUm; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2724CC2477; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C29CCC263E for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z1ubZ504ogSb for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D39ECC2477 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPEWm-0007Rz-jP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:16:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:15:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2039 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=I_HmQAdzKHkuwhrs66EA:7 a=TxvIVnEYavwEG2lIMj0BTcXSmEUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=9g7dkUNN6fz27Fgb:21 a=V13fzhzCxN3PbWMV:21 In message <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes I'm surprised there's not more choice, given the number of fonts that have been converted from Windows to RISC OS over the years. I'd been thinking about Dr. Fonty, but apparently that only goes from RISC OS to Windows. There have been large discs of PC fonts, including from EFF. There used to be a web site of 100's (whose name escapes me "Harry Palmers Font Site" - summink like that) but that went in a copyright argument (what a shock). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 12:31:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPEgy-1iAknw-01-Edj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:31:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPEgy-1iAknw-01-Edj; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:27:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPEgy-1iAknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:27:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPEgw-0002o3-2T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:27:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74377CC2B55; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnanrRjmrEVA; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55BE8CC2AF5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8FEECC2B3B for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I4R+-jaWzYRg for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 285F5CC2AF5 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPEgd-0002ji-C4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:26:59 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPEgc-0000jd-Gu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:26:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:26:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-archive-position: 2040 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nhXY9_LzuQpdK53PEJsA:9 a=IT4tnBMFIg_UYa70BpEA:7 a=-nIfr8B-SAc3pwQ7iR0vnpcipo0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=JhQ6mUD_OR0UGl-e:21 a=NVlMo6Ec6QIdz9iz:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > I'm surprised there's not more choice, given the number of fonts that > have been converted from Windows to RISC OS over the years. Yes, hundreds of them were made available by Skyfall Public Domain (now part of APDL, I believe) -- though their "character layout" didn't tally with the regular Acorn fonts, so changing font to one of theirs tended to mess up punctuation, for example... > I'd been thinking about Dr. Fonty, but apparently that only goes from > RISC OS to Windows. > There have been large discs of PC fonts, including from EFF. There used > to be a web site of 100's (whose name escapes me "Harry Palmers Font > Site" - summink like that) but that went in a copyright argument (what a > shock). Harry Palmer was the name given to Len Deighton's British spy character (anonymous in the original novels) for the movies "The Ipcress File", "Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I think it was Harry Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 12:46:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPEuW-08fVbs-05-EQB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:46:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPEuW-08fVbs-05-EQB; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:41:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPEuW-08fVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:41:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPEuU-00032r-6c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:41:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D08BCC2BBB; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sC6fLSsrQrPs; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0ADDCC239D; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F9AFCC2BBB for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Wt01aq6lHxj for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2450CC239D for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so11874779ewy.26 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.25.79 with SMTP id y15mr11800924ebb.24.1262004060140; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:41:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac334b0.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm8120486ewy.14.2009.12.28.04.40.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:40:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:40:57 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <34AC1DF6-54EF-4884-BC2C-F919CE67C3EE@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iclSFVn5Qtx1Ej4MnVMA:9 a=kvnVlvfwyV2tRHYyCugA:7 a=vLo2hDeL0NyQdj7U99ufQnO8520A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=R4PIgz0JE1as47J3:21 a=30qQy5HJTvyIuwc4:21 On 28 Dec 2009, at 12:26, John M Ward wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes > >> I'm surprised there's not more choice, given the number of fonts that >> have been converted from Windows to RISC OS over the years. > > Yes, hundreds of them were made available by Skyfall Public Domain (now > part of APDL, I believe) -- though their "character layout" didn't tally > with the regular Acorn fonts, so changing font to one of theirs tended to > mess up punctuation, for example... > >> I'd been thinking about Dr. Fonty, but apparently that only goes from >> RISC OS to Windows. > >> There have been large discs of PC fonts, including from EFF. There used >> to be a web site of 100's (whose name escapes me "Harry Palmers Font >> Site" - summink like that) but that went in a copyright argument (what a >> shock). > > Harry Palmer was the name given to Len Deighton's British spy character > (anonymous in the original novels) for the movies "The Ipcress File", > "Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I think it was Harry > Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) No wonder there were copyright issues, then ;) ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 13:01:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPF88-2yVknw-01-ECZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:01:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPF88-2yVknw-01-ECZ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPF88-2yVknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPF84-0001Yy-IC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A91BCC2567; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q56FX3zp5p7q; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11FD5CC242E; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5127CC2490 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xl1+rXDkHdVg for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6783CC242E for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPF7m-00085f-WF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:55:03 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPF7l-0007Ga-WE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:55:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:54:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0bc1074john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <34AC1DF6-54EF-4884-BC2C-F919CE67C3EE@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> <34AC1DF6-54EF-4884-BC2C-F919CE67C3EE@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L61hkYCN1nAtYQqK1J4A:9 a=HGQrnbccuYHdgNdnfDsA:7 a=5DeFPtpYfoOGN5l0TT29Jh5U_K8A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=OFVkUZQ6I83n_E4k:21 a=_GytE5kouKaUGF47:21 In article <34AC1DF6-54EF-4884-BC2C-F919CE67C3EE@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 28 Dec 2009, at 12:26, John M Ward wrote: [Lots snipped] > > Harry Palmer was the name given to Len Deighton's British spy > > character (anonymous in the original novels) for the movies "The > > Ipcress File", "Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I > > think it was Harry Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) > No wonder there were copyright issues, then ;) Good point! When Palmer said "Colonel Stok" in the last film, it must have been mis-interpreted as "kernel" (and in the OS) and "stock" (as in CJE Micro's permanent state of everything "in stock"), which would have generated much confusion... -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 13:31:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPFeI-4dVknw-01-DgP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:31:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPFeI-4dVknw-01-DgP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:28:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPFeI-4dVknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:28:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPFeF-0004Pc-UQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:28:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53339CC2C06; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PuFaEA3iDYLm; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F2A2CC23F4; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A91CCC2BCB for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hwg+pUOpOnke for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02002CC23F4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPFdy-00047a-m5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:28:18 +0000 Message-ID: <6aHUfjESILOLFwQJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:26:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2043 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=lZuiov_3HmWYdWLIUEQA:7 a=ITeUOlB2odF2P86K_1mMScr2MW4A:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=aTblVan8zPJzBYro:21 a=HNWkArQQwBSIBudP:21 In message <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward writes >"Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I think it was Harry >Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) Benefits of a good lunch to subliminal cogitation, 'twas Harry Decker. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 14:01:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPG6J-3nRknw-04-DEO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:01:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPG6J-3nRknw-04-DEO; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:57:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPG6J-3nRknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:57:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPG6G-0000ZK-MK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:57:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50923CC2504; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a4uBZcuDheFR; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21A92CC23AC; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED636CC23B5 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id awF1jMQs2pyf for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B17BFCC23AC for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPG5y-0006pW-5w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:57:14 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NPG5x-0002ua-LG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:57:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:56:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0c1ba68john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <6aHUfjESILOLFwQJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> <6aHUfjESILOLFwQJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=73gvthHpQxdIybFetWQA:9 a=ySL_bGqP3Vp-tBp3QQAA:7 a=tWSj4HZfyezlw6_kMrf4Ar9N2FoA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=ykdUO9RRxmsPnQhA:21 a=Oc6AwKjdBJ0MYVou:21 In article <6aHUfjESILOLFwQJ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward > writes > >"Funeral In Berlin" and "Billion Dollar Brain". I think it was Harry > >Payne whose font emporium you mean :-) > Benefits of a good lunch to subliminal cogitation, 'twas Harry Decker. Ah, yes, so it was! I seem to know too many Harrys these days... (The latest is HurryUpHarry, but that's another story!) -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 15:46:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPHks-4GTVbs-04-BZp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:46:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPHks-4GTVbs-04-BZp; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:43:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPHks-4GTVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:43:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPHkp-0000zs-O6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:43:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 170C7CC2E30; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S4RUDqjA68jo; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53A17CC2E10; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25F9ACC2E1E for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eKPJQM4gI93c for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDC28CC2E10 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.199.88]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBSFh36X026241 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:43:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts Message-ID: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2045 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=olX5_CkRzsvJ3sNwXp4A:9 a=XWjjDvUKbkKWb0-NnHIA:7 a=ewSYGpHZQ-tpVAK74_TrRmJTJDoA:4 Thanks for the suggestions, and thanks for the thoughts about !TTF2f version 3. I had already tried this before my initial posting... Unfortunately it seems to do the conversion, but probably because I'm not using RO 5.nn the font doesn't work. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 16:01:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPHyq-0DKGPo-04-BLr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:01:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPHyq-0DKGPo-04-BLr; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:58:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPHyq-0DKGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:58:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPHyn-0001qb-MG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:58:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BAACCC2908; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z4kD8qvyPIOr; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FBE3CC28C3; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CD81CC28D4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OIH2ZTlkMF0B for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from blake.genesysnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79E00CC28C3 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from blake.genesysnet.co.uk (blake.orpheusnet.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by blake.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBSFvaaL029128 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:57:36 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by blake.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id nBSFvZaH029127; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:57:35 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: blake.genesysnet.co.uk: apache set sender to andrew@owlart.net using -f Received: from 86.150.17.195 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bd39) by webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:57:35 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:57:35 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: "Andrew Conroy" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 2046 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andrew@owlart.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sk2-ulZFTDYECf1TvccA:9 a=LdDw5gWCM5BKY2AVw18A:7 a=lWx9edkL8z5TRTwtGO2qvAvEWakA:4 On Mon, December 28, 2009 3:37 pm, Dave Symes wrote: > Thanks for the suggestions, and thanks for the thoughts about !TTF2f > version 3. > I had already tried this before my initial posting... > Unfortunately it seems to do the conversion, but probably because I'm n= ot > using RO 5.nn the font doesn't work. If it's just a couple of fonts or so, feel free to email them to me to tr= y with the EFF convertor. I've sometimes found that the earlier version performs better than the later version, so I could try both for you. Andrew --=20 Andrew Conroy (via Webmail) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 18:31:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPKAS-453000-04-9AF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:31:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPKAS-453000-04-9AF; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:18:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPKAS-453000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:18:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPKAN-0005Lq-Do for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:18:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF94BCC2F1A; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8eTR+dVoRlTq; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2D97CC2F01; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:17:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 951FCCC2F04 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:17:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KqRYkn9w8MP8 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57704CC2F01 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NPKA3-0000We-9b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:17:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:14:24 GMT Message-ID: <4d50d9d050.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d06702b8dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d06c550fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d09d84d6dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0b975f7john@acornusers.org> <6aHUfjESILOLFwQJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50d0c1ba68john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50d0c1ba68john@acornusers.org> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 2047 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h6T6iintQp7wFTG6Kr4A:9 a=HuIGn7ZY9qDqEic7nrEA:7 a=TDU0AJhqsU-fTbPJFLv3gvWzvKQA:4 On 28 Dec, John M Ward wrote: > David Pilling wrote: [snip] >> Benefits of a good lunch to subliminal cogitation, 'twas Harry Decker. > Ah, yes, so it was! I seem to know too many Harrys these days... > (The latest is HurryUpHarry, but that's another story!) A Sham 69 fan in the house? -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------- Watch out... ...you might get what you're after... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 20:46:41 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPMG0-4Rtknw-08-FbD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:46:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPMG0-4Rtknw-08-FbD; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:32:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPMG0-4Rtknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:32:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPMFw-0006jd-RN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:32:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5704CC31D3; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kzKQts4RzuiF; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 093BFCC31CD; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4D3ECC31CE for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zp18WO+Klmzo for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8467ACC31CD for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.69.148]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBSKVZnf004935 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:31:37 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2048 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=CUzElw1UAAAA:8 a=J4bYTdbIAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X9uby_HzwNUfTeZUbUkA:9 a=kK0Ewd0NUCF2zIV6VvEA:7 a=oX0XjPdRefLVNQTqEoL2_wEBTekA:4 a=aN_dsQuji08A:10 In article <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Andrew Conroy wrote: > On Mon, December 28, 2009 3:37 pm, Dave Symes wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions, and thanks for the thoughts about !TTF2f > > version 3. I had already tried this before my initial posting... > > Unfortunately it seems to do the conversion, but probably because I'm > > not using RO 5.nn the font doesn't work. > If it's just a couple of fonts or so, feel free to email them to me to > try with the EFF convertor. I've sometimes found that the earlier > version performs better than the later version, so I could try both for > you. > Andrew Thanks... Fay and I had a discussion earlier this PM and she has a couple of fonts she'd like on both platforms, as well as my couple... So a short while ago I paid the lolly and now have a full working version. I need to discuss some more... But this is not really the place to discuss just Fonts, so where would be a good place to move this discussion? Unless of course Mr P doesn't mind. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 21:16:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPMr2-17cVbs-07-F0B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:16:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPMr2-17cVbs-07-F0B; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:10:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPMr2-17cVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:10:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPMqz-0005NZ-Ny for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:10:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3150CCC328C; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:10:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCFY3UPbHr0H; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18DCFCC1A19; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:09:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E735ECC1D10 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:09:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XxOsdz7cZSTY for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFD27CC1A19 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPMqi-0002ym-b4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:08:53 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2049 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=JD0P6d4akPt4aa5VRmQA:7 a=-C4kumEdnebM6ZRX-HyFOsdzuo0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=DBT67W9i03eZXWVE:21 a=tQ5HKz_IKBhD93P1:21 In message <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I need to discuss some more... But this is not really the place to discuss >just Fonts, so where would be a good place to move this discussion? >Unless of course Mr P doesn't mind. I don't mind. I might learn something. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 22:31:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPNw8-1FSGPo-01-Dv5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:31:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPNw8-1FSGPo-01-Dv5; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:19:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPNw8-1FSGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:19:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPNw5-0006Ff-92 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:19:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A1E7CC31CB; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RkXhRRhV7k64; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A578ECC3126; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74DD0CC3165 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gaqWnST+KFtK for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2108DCC3126 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.69.148]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBSMJA2M009087 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:19:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2050 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Wi7WOyzi1M_O-z33VGAA:9 a=5pNAoE0cECdZZ16FD0UA:7 a=qGhtqkIah9sD3PUiFmQPi5JsHtkA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=q15DldN7SkRp61_2:21 a=SBC4LcWW369HnxhI:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I need to discuss some more... But this is not really the place to > >discuss just Fonts, so where would be a good place to move this > >discussion? Unless of course Mr P doesn't mind. > I don't mind. I might learn something. Thanks Mr P. To continue... While the eff TrueType translator window "Show Sample" displays 33 characters as ornamental representations, once processed through the translator, the resulting RO font is quite a mess containing only 5 characters. Another shows 33 in the Show Sample window, but only processes 17. Does anyone have ideas about what's happening, because I sure don't. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 28 23:01:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPOUV-1rL000-05-DMi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 23:01:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPOUV-1rL000-05-DMi; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:55:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPOUV-1rL000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:55:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPOUT-0003gu-0T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:55:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A39BCC32A2; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:55:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id emDzRjWXQOxJ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FBA0CC2E36; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:54:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4D74CC24AD for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:54:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gffIce2QikmE for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD63DCC328B for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPOUA-00074s-eI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:54:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:54:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2051 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rY3AIfXFL4HJ92UWYI0A:9 a=xDaB1RRQb_ya0gY_2BwA:7 a=tGXQkYgULvmqY_hX70tQ5Udcf3kA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fgz5mElRjUhHiTK7:21 a=7AjJB5uDeer6nTod:21 In article <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > While the eff TrueType translator window "Show Sample" > displays 33 characters as ornamental representations, once > processed through the translator, the resulting RO font is > quite a mess containing only 5 characters. > Another shows 33 in the Show Sample window, but only processes > 17. The important thing is 'Show table'. Does that show what you expect, and, in particular, what happens when you switch encodings (e.g. between Base0, Latin1, etc.) -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 12:03:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPXHd-3IqVbs-02-D66.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:03:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPXHd-3IqVbs-02-D66; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:18:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPXHd-3IqVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:18:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPXHb-0004gw-K9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:18:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D5DACC28E4; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IleiZEDTMx62; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AFC3CC28C9; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4289CC28E1 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fx31yF4pH0mu for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93668CC28C9 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.165.224]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBT8I0MW032428 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:18:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:17:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2052 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lTAt2Q_nWPWX5e-BBeoA:9 a=V85ELaup-2yqKNYCrSgA:7 a=zK3QfAx-s07RQcE6VPUYeogsXKwA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=HGMLfK1kcuJrwvN4:21 a=MgKDEM70ketP5Q04:21 In article <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > While the eff TrueType translator window "Show Sample" > > displays 33 characters as ornamental representations, once > > processed through the translator, the resulting RO font is > > quite a mess containing only 5 characters. > > Another shows 33 in the Show Sample window, but only processes > > 17. > The important thing is 'Show table'. Does that show what you > expect, and, in particular, what happens when you switch > encodings (e.g. between Base0, Latin1, etc.) Peter, I'll paste in the conversation I'm having with Clive about my problem below... Obviously the graphic examples mentioned within are not attached, but can be found at... http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Illo.zip ************************** Sticking with Orna.1 (All illos I've prepared are inside the "Illo/Zip" archive for containment. Displayed as a font set in MS-Windows there are 35 ornamental characters. Also... In "The Font Thing" an excellent 3rd party Font manager I use, 35 characters are shown... See attached "PCOrna1/Jpg" a grab of the TFT window. Displayed in RISC OS effTTT as you note, "Show table", there are 28 characters. Attached "ROTable/Jpg" However clicking the "Show sample" displays 33 characters. Attached "ROSample/Jpg" While there is a discrepancy, that is not the biggy problem... After creating the Font and attempting to use it... Trouble to say the least. It appears effTTT has only translated a few characters. Attached "XChars/Jpg" and "Fontillo/Jpg". Cheers Dave PS: For what its worth, it totally crashes FontEd 1.03 (31 Aug 2008) *************************** This is intriguing... Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 13:17:52 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPbjs-2lsVbs-08-8dr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:17:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPbjs-2lsVbs-08-8dr; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPbjs-2lsVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPbjo-0007n5-GO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1C8FCC3362; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82E1TeGtu0eO; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D46B9CC3332; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FDF8CC3367 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6eqW7NqQK2kt for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FBBBCC3332 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:03:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPbjM-0005cv-aN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:03:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2053 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C8OpAnsZ1jWtdBONIzsA:9 a=LHfS5Kp0T_M94p92Sl0A:7 a=XZfceOYueEcjGQX3i0VSQ2mMLiMA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=M8d19RXoh7oSY8mq:21 a=_tBZTSvebSbiPHQC:21 In article <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Displayed as a font set in MS-Windows there are 35 ornamental > characters. > Displayed in RISC OS effTTT as you note, "Show table", there > are 28 characters. Attached "ROTable/Jpg" Not all glyphs in the TT (or Type 1, come to that) font will be displayed unless the encoding you're using for conversion maps them all appropriately That's why Type 1 conversion is easier, because the AFM file includes the glyph names in a human-readable form, which can be checked against EFF's encoding files, which themselves can be (temporarily) changed accordingly if necessary. > However clicking the "Show sample" displays 33 characters. > Attached "ROSample/Jpg" That's displaying the default sample string 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' (displayed, and editable, in the text icon towards the bottom of the effTTT window) -- note the position of the 'e's at the end of the first word and the fourth letter of the sixth, and the 'o's as the third letter of the third word, the second of the fourth and and first of the sixth. So it's only showing 28 separate glyphs (space, T, and abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz), and they are all alphabetic so each of these, at least, is bound to appear in effTTT's table view, and thus in the final font, regardless of which encoding is used for conversion. > While there is a discrepancy, that is not the biggy problem... > After creating the Font and attempting to use it... Trouble to > say the least. Looking at your illustrations, that's almost certainly because some of the glyphs have too many path elements (B=E9zier curve segments) for the RISC OS font manager or FontEd to handle reliably. Max OS X (and probably Windows, but I have no experience of using any other than the default fonts on that) tolerate more complex shapes. I have several ornaments fonts converted from Type 1 to Acorn format in which one or more glyphs doesn't display correctly under RISC OS or causes a crash, and a few alphabets of decorated initials which weren't even worth converting because all were equally complex. My solution there was to create a PDF on the Mac side containing all the characters (or, in some cases, use one helpfully provided by the foundry on their website!) and use RiScript under RISC OS to save it as a drawfile, then load into Vector, convert to path, and save each glyph as a separate drawfile which could be loaded into Ovation Pro frames. For initials, in particular, this is arguably no less complicated than using a font to create a drop cap. The frame(s) containing the ornaments can, of course, be embedded in the text so that it/they flow(s) as it changes. --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 13:47:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPcFv-26M000-05-GeK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:47:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPcFv-26M000-05-GeK; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:36:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPcFv-26M000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:36:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPcFs-00037p-Mk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:36:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A560CC34A5; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ZlDu6eRyz3d; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99C0DCC2FC9; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72FD8CC3477 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZV3S16DHZYS for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A564CC2FC9 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPcFc-000747-ja for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:36:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:35:05 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2054 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E90K3Z4X0BoILGt-iYYA:9 a=gUBMDuL7EMGvxHsYvFkA:7 a=ihZIO90xNn6hS-9any6zwZPkbHMA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=f9Nl1nAtyJXLOM8g:21 a=wxSTaJTXz5D-H8vo:21 In message <50d140aab3peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble writes >their website!) and use RiScript under RISC OS to save it as a >drawfile, then load into Vector, convert to path, and save each >glyph as a separate drawfile which could be loaded into Ovation When you get to saving each character as a Draw file, you can use my ancient program D2Font to produce your fonts. It is to be found on the Trace disc or on your DPScan disc. A blatant trip back to glory days, the idea was you scanned text (bit map), traced it (conversion to Draw) and then D2Font produced an Acorn font. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 13:47:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPcPh-0qzGPo-08-GUY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:47:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPcPh-0qzGPo-08-GUY; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:47:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPcPh-0qzGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:47:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPcPe-0002DN-NI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:47:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F830CC3332; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:47:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0btu6SQNtXKn; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33584CC32E8; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:46:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C1A8CC32EA for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:46:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvaD-czpaTnY for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7287CC32E8 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-2-198-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.2.198]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MJnBU-1NQis11Wpo-001JQS; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:46:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:45:42 +0100 Message-ID: <588c44d150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19zvLpz1AWyh79Rt/4ApeTME8uYStS0+MlTeAq oZkkhZ8L2f6svDNkhFuhETjrNzIXgzQsIgW/QP7cjNitoyU0zp H0+CSjtbIqZCCkzJhdbJQ== X-archive-position: 2055 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=seMJIu3JnSLvC3K3u-YA:9 a=IDI78y1NKHz25OT-Xw4A:7 a=-7FvXRX8_u8_vD5uaczpyBuMaHUA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=mpUtx4mQ0f6JBKEx:21 a=TT3D8iHNO1Yq3bK1:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d140aab3peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble > writes >>their website!) and use RiScript under RISC OS to save it as a >>drawfile, then load into Vector, convert to path, and save each >>glyph as a separate drawfile which could be loaded into Ovation > When you get to saving each character as a Draw file, you can use my > ancient program D2Font to produce your fonts. Which of course suffer from the very same limitation on the number of path elements as straightforward conversions, so this will not help in this particular situation... Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software http://www.mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 14:02:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPcYV-1GaGPo-07-GLk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:02:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPcYV-1GaGPo-07-GLk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:56:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPcYV-1GaGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:56:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPcYT-0001Zt-6j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:56:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD296CC34F9; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:56:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OCZHu2vx+YAM; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B46FCC33DA; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 654C4CC3443 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qdUdlRZ+wkar for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83566CC33DA for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPcXt-0006GC-p1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:55:33 +0000 Message-ID: <2wO3FtC2ngOLFwDE@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:53:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <588c44d150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <588c44d150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2056 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=r0z7FuFp688RDOe_iBsA:7 a=v9k2LDd77gs6Z7OyQutcTt4TTDwA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=1x2o3HEP4l5s1K9C:21 a=EQifN4YFoZqAoZrn:21 In message <588c44d150.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >Which of course suffer from the very same limitation on the number of >path elements as straightforward conversions, so this will not help in >this particular situation... I was more interested in reliving happy days than being helpful. In the great panoply of Draw manipulating programs are there not some that can redo/smooth curves to use less points? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 15:47:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPeD3-2jRGPo-03-EhC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPeD3-2jRGPo-03-EhC; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:42:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPeD3-2jRGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:42:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPeCz-0004pN-Of for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CF2FCC3743; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DLL9T9wgmyQk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 864DECC3733; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61180CC3734 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qaDpu-8XJHs0 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 082BACC3733 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.186]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBTFfht6017084 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:41:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:40:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d14f0d7fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2058 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pytiKdFW-JIYXiaLxKcA:9 a=6HrJDLYCHhhD0-aobSgA:7 a=gwuPNvEJCFARMIxzNPpS0EYeRpsA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=7FTdN3y4Fl14rkBo:21 a=Soca06soyh23epIk:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d140aab3peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble > writes > >their website!) and use RiScript under RISC OS to save it as a > >drawfile, then load into Vector, convert to path, and save each > >glyph as a separate drawfile which could be loaded into Ovation > When you get to saving each character as a Draw file, you can use my > ancient program D2Font to produce your fonts. > It is to be found on the Trace disc or on your DPScan disc. > A blatant trip back to glory days, the idea was you scanned text (bit > map), traced it (conversion to Draw) and then D2Font produced an Acorn > font. Indeedy Mr P. I remember it well, and still have it on my Hardisk. The last time I used it though was to make a Euro character. Unfortunately after spending the 39 quid, I'm a bit miffed that a number of the Ornamental fonts I've just collected (All in fact) will not convert. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 15:47:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPeD5-2tjknw-06-EhA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:47:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPeD5-2tjknw-06-EhA; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:42:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPeD5-2tjknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:42:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPeCy-0004L1-8M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:42:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9603CC3734; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:42:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tPaSYYiak3d6; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECC15CC2AA1; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF9FDCC35E9 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80r2R5qQ4eYY for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D2B9CC2AA1 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.186]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBTFfht4017084 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:41:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d14cd2cedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> References: <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2057 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fHV9NoVZc6F8FUg12fMA:9 a=29JeOujXLvcjba7Af4QA:7 a=qqREcuK6W0x4PKVt8DYObVP4sUoA:4 I've just noticed a small booby in the files I put iside the archive on my site... The file "PCOrna1.Jpg" actually contains the characters from Orna2. Anyway that's now corrected and the archive does contain the correct PCOrna1.Jpg Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 16:02:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPeM9-0L7000-03-EY6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:02:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPeM9-0L7000-03-EY6; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:51:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPeM9-0L7000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:51:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPeM5-0004rn-Qy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:51:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E161ECC3697; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KU5L47QFAU5E; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09505CC27FE; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA088CC3681 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DAFBG9mDhQiw for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.189]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79E76CC27FE for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-40-159.teleos-web.de [87.245.40.159]) by mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nBTFp9rZ023326 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:51:10 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 29 Dec 2009 16:51:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:51:02 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2059 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uinB_NkSRrZ1wzEzTjwA:9 a=Si7VG1R1DyB0jJcyU2gA:7 a=JCrajp373b7FRp_ZZVGIjELP_DoA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=oZvyun98WTeDLcPH:21 a=W6qnU7ZvzZmkgKm7:21 In message <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > [Snippy] > > > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > > > ========================================== > > > C.B. > > > ========================================== > > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a couple > > of fonts. > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? > Why? Because they can. Look here: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ understands TTF and RISC OS, runs on Linux, Windows, etc. Enjoy. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 16:17:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPeZg-1fcknw-02-EKZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:17:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPeZg-1fcknw-02-EKZ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:05:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPeZg-1fcknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:05:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPeZe-0001Wb-As for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:05:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2ED6BCC37EB; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odgIxLUU5OoX; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D27CCC3798; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8AF2CC37CF for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6DickvP4u8K for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0404FCC3798 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPeZK-0004vH-Yn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:05:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:12:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2060 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=amKGFGG0N4htogsybLMA:9 a=j5UAZRsNhEWl1wOZwbMA:7 a=RyrfgQZu2_8nAHLOLEffkLMv6dsA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=OR1tDWnTkMrUA114:21 a=4stD0R-hiZsGJ608:21 In article , Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> > charles wrote: > > In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > [Snippy] > > > > > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > > > > > ========================================== > > > > C.B. > > > > ========================================== > > > > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a couple > > > of fonts. > > > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? > > > Why? Because they can. Look here: > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > understands TTF and RISC OS, runs on Linux, Windows, etc. Enjoy. so, how does it convert Windows fonts to RISC OS? -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 16:17:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPefZ-4gPknw-06-EEg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:17:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPefZ-4gPknw-06-EEg; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:11:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPefZ-4gPknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:11:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPefV-0001fQ-Kx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:11:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6472CC3815; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Opa8JJH+5G7j; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3F5DCC30AA; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C34D4CC3801 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8xfvoK6LMZY for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.190]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FF31CC30AA for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-40-159.teleos-web.de [87.245.40.159]) by mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nBTGBEPN005206 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:11:15 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 29 Dec 2009 17:11:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:11:07 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <96dc51d150.martinv@ucs.de> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uinB_NkSRrZ1wzEzTjwA:9 a=2J5Boo8eXh1bV9u0J2QA:7 a=pywPyToWhyqX1w3agENkGicE1UQA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=-Kbc4ZN6-tYA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=S3PzJDeiwLJW1pPG:21 a=ensRQSNOcHJu24DT:21 In message <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article , > Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> > > charles wrote: > > > > In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, > > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > > In article <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk>, > > > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > > [Snippy] > > > > > > > > Have a look at: http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/effTTT.htm > > > > > > > > ========================================== > > > > > C.B. > > > > > ========================================== > > > > > > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to convert a couple > > > > of fonts. > > > > > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? > > > > > Why? Because they can. Look here: > > > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > > > understands TTF and RISC OS, runs on Linux, Windows, etc. Enjoy. > > so, how does it convert Windows fonts to RISC OS? > The plan is to load the TTF (for editing) and saving it as RISC OS. I am no longer in the business of converting _to_ Acorn so this is theoretically from the manual. The other way round has worked for me rather recently (!hinting is lost). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 16:47:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPf1k-3Wbknw-04-DsV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:47:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPf1k-3Wbknw-04-DsV; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:34:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPf1k-3Wbknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:34:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPf1f-0002gQ-Bw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:34:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F074CC370B; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EnN0x7mq8l+n; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EFACCC36FA; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56CF5CC36FC for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oRSXJS5ATNI7 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14A31CC36FA for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NPf1N-0006Zv-pW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:34:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:34:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d153f7f1peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2062 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UzWUXwyep97GGTP5NMMA:9 a=HLTmzcShMahfxyhY_IEA:7 a=AKNDOh_JGOkmhKqkhP1bZ13NEM0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=CTbgKvYCuAstRvaR:21 a=5RSSIeow7UeMddun:21 In article <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > > > Thank you, but unfortunately rather a lot of dosh just to > > > convert a couple of fonts. In message <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? Quite. =A340 is the cost of just a couple of the many more hours spent developing an invaluable application. The number of /good-quality/ fonts available in Acorn format is very small, so effT1T and effTTT are essential tools (and effT1T is infinitely better than T1ToFont). Nobody can make a lot of money out of the RISC OS market, so becomes increasingly important that those who contribute to it make at least a little out of everything they do. (I feel strongly about this because the same applies in my own field!) In article , Martin Vethake wrote: > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ That reads Acorn-format fonts (although my experience of it, admittedly a few years ago, wasn't encouraging) but doesn't write them, as far as I know. Ornament fonts such as the one in question are a somewhat special case. They are far more complex than alphabetic or other symbol fonts, and such complexity evidently wasn't considered when the Acorn font manager was devised, c.1991. Don't forget that, in those days, desktop computers running other OSs didn't rasterise outline fonts on-the-fly, complete with anti-aliasing etc., as RISC OS did; they relied on lower-quality bitmaps for screen display. Rendering such complex glyphs would have been impracticably slow for any GUI at the time. Away from RISC OS, rendering outlines was left to the RIP in the (expensive) Postscript printer or imagesetter, which could devote all its resources to the task and didn't have the same time constraints. By the time high-quality on-screen font rendering reached Mac OS and Windows, the same constraints of time and memory no longer applied. --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 16:47:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPf4k-3J4knw-07-DpV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:47:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPf4k-3J4knw-07-DpV; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPf4k-3J4knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPf4g-0004Pu-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F110CC373A; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gun-wUv5UoyK; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B239ACC2F58; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F0EECC371B for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1o-Ut73-fBE for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EF60CC2F58 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.186]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBTGbDLB019252 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:37:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:18:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d152847fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=FP58Ms26AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CxRtoPNeG6dUWuRtzFwA:9 a=Zv85QpfqlugbNvJf7cgA:7 a=2V7whys62Zu7oHKllyb_7yVtIWIA:4 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=sxltq0hOYv9y39Kk:21 a=amQr8242uu3nMmJS:21 In article <50d151f29acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article , > Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> > > charles wrote: [Snip] > > > > > > why do RISC OS users expect to get something for nothing? > > > > > Why? Because they can. Look here: > > http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ > > understands TTF and RISC OS, runs on Linux, Windows, etc. Enjoy. > so, how does it convert Windows fonts to RISC OS? You took the words out of my fingers Charles. I'm aware of FontForge, but had never know that it did TTT to Acorn conversions... I still don't. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 29 16:47:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NPfEK-3gb000-03-Dfv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:47:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NPfEK-3gb000-03-Dfv; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:47:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NPfEK-3gb000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:47:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NPfEI-0004L5-Ca for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:47:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B6DECC2C80; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ych78TaqI2oV; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B33A6CBD849; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78819CC2C80 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ivzQ8OYi5Rhl for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.189]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10F72CBD849 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-40-159.teleos-web.de [87.245.40.159]) by mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nBTGlArZ000697 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:47:11 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 29 Dec 2009 17:47:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:47:02 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: References: <50d059ccd7dave@triffid.co.uk> <23101ED3-47DF-4738-926E-336ADEA3158A@ed.ac.uk> <50d05d0cc7dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0605abdcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50d153f7f1peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d153f7f1peter@newble.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=chiYQ83FHShjJ2IFPusA:9 a=Wx2VypJ4Qqa61G7y14cA:7 a=xf-_HNe5eL5o3wazy7lQe3weE0sA:4 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 In message <50d153f7f1peter@newble.com> Peter Newble wrote: [snip] > > That reads Acorn-format fonts (although my experience of it, > admittedly a few years ago, wasn't encouraging) but doesn't write > them, as far as I know. > [snip] > Yes and no, it doesn't save Acorn format. But it can save as T1 and then You use the RISC OS converter. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 18:25:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ3AS-43zknw-07-FJL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:25:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ3AS-43zknw-07-FJL; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:21:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ3AS-43zknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:21:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ3AR-00056Z-Bg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:21:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33BFCCC4018; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:21:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gWzifjzKeZTy; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 660A7CC296B; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C64FCC29AB for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADoRQIe4kMBC for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E346DCC296B for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.167.53]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBUIKjwk014381 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:20:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:17:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts Message-ID: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2065 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LgAH9KgOGnWZrBhou3gA:9 a=tiQM2gfBQomLl4rpAIIA:7 a=xDVqy45vjxeza1NCL931TEktcM0A:4 A couple of end notes. First, thanks to Mr P for not getting uppity about the OT nature of where the subject went. Thanks also to the folks who have contributed to the discussion here, and particular thanks to a couple of knowledgeable folks who contacted me privately. The end result is, as has been noted, the ornamental characters are too complex for the Acorn Font manager to handle, so from my end nothing much more to discuss. Of course I now have a 39 quid piece of software and no use for it, as all the fonts I wanted to convert were Ornamental types. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 18:39:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ3Nu-0OOVbs-02-F5t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:39:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ3Nu-0OOVbs-02-F5t; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:35:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ3Nu-0OOVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:35:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ3Ns-0001jC-9f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:35:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58082CC4045; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZ4N3AvgwZRC; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EFB8CC403E; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CBFECC4043 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDdqGsrnxstY for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7B5BCC403E for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ3NZ-0006Xd-Yp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:34:41 +0000 Message-ID: <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:33:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=jaS2pzzVhKSync5mrIwA:7 a=i-0Fts2OHr71-yI3SIy4SrkAOcsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=nVbXtaWwLg4pw39h:21 a=paaQ5c1yC7Z8VZCK:21 In message <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Of course I now have a 39 quid piece of software and no use for it, as all >the fonts I wanted to convert were Ornamental types. That is a pity. I wonder if the maximum number of path elements that the Acorn font manager can handle was increased in later versions of RISC OS, I can imagine that as they moved to Unicode support the characters got more complex. I can remember hitting the limit in the distant past, so it must have been a known problem. The other obvious point, harking back to what I said yesterday, did someone come up with a type of "compression" that smoothed out curves so that they needed less segments. I never remember anyone saying "there are no ornamental fonts available for RISC OS". I will grant you that getting around the problems may be too hard. Have you mentioned to whoever you bought the software off that it won't do what you want? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 19:09:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ3iZ-1PzVbs-04-ElE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:09:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ3iZ-1PzVbs-04-ElE; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:56:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ3iZ-1PzVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:56:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ3iV-0007an-Ty for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:56:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B3F4CC3E74; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aw9GZpXe3Zzi; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A38EBCC3C1D; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C69DCC3E40 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ERrQhb61bfkk for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26F20CC3C1D for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.167.53]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBUIu0JZ015818 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:56:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:55:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1e4c770dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BKzJvsFiRyVveav79dgA:9 a=U0SaQ4A4snfrnjuWBd8A:7 a=OYWH9u2NzgN96lhtTWpS63bgRs0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=-VCrhaS33XnR9VYC:21 a=VKCEvIK4ZHbKHE68:21 In article <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Of course I now have a 39 quid piece of software and no use for it, as > >all the fonts I wanted to convert were Ornamental types. > That is a pity. I wonder if the maximum number of path elements that the > Acorn font manager can handle was increased in later versions of RISC > OS, I can imagine that as they moved to Unicode support the characters > got more complex. I am using Select RISC OS 6.20 which about as up-to-date a version as you can get for a SARPC. > I can remember hitting the limit in the distant past, so it must have > been a known problem. > The other obvious point, harking back to what I said yesterday, did > someone come up with a type of "compression" that smoothed out curves so > that they needed less segments. > I never remember anyone saying "there are no ornamental fonts available > for RISC OS". There is one ornamental font for RO that I know of, and I have it installed and use on RO OvPro, I also have the Windows equivalent installed so that Ovation Pro for Windows can use it, additionally I can obviously transfer the documents between the two OvPro versions without complaint. > I will grant you that getting around the problems may be too hard. There are a number of *non-font* solution available, but to be honest, unless I can get them as a Font the work involved is not worth it. > Have you mentioned to whoever you bought the software off that it won't > do what you want? I think Edward at EFF is aware of my problem, as one of the private email helpers (Clive) has discussed the Font problem with him. Apparently the font characters have been converted by !effTTT and are in the Outlines file, and as Edward concludes... "The font IS there, your computer is not showing it." Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 19:24:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ415-1pyVbs-07-ESi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:24:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ415-1pyVbs-07-ESi; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:15:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ415-1pyVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:15:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ410-0005w6-Qo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:15:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA372CC1893; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Y1srE8-XzER; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A968ACC3107; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84B0DCC3136 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1w8R4ucms805 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B4CACC3107 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so14378423ewy.26 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr4614089ebd.54.1262200509374; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? ([90.202.220.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm28659902eya.35.2009.12.30.11.15.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:15:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:15:02 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XZLvx8INe2VPDzP4KhgA:9 a=iNc7OJgwWq4Sd5ILGIgA:7 a=vA0eDYLguA4ipifc3-iHsiZdHfQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=HH9SBBLUxA5PkS5S:21 a=1e2mMlZCbeWYV19H:21 On 30 Dec 2009, at 18:33, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes = writes >> Of course I now have a 39 quid piece of software and no use for it, = as all >> the fonts I wanted to convert were Ornamental types. >=20 > That is a pity. I wonder if the maximum number of path elements that = the Acorn font manager can handle was increased in later versions of = RISC OS, I can imagine that as they moved to Unicode support the = characters got more complex. Apparently, according to which version of RO you have, the system will = display 256 or 512 subpaths ... tho' I have no more information than = that. Dave has the latest incarnation of the OS from RiscOS Ltd, but = it's still not capable of displaying certain complex fonts. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 20:25:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ4tw-1sKGPo-01-DZr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:25:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ4tw-1sKGPo-01-DZr; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:12:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ4tw-1sKGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:12:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ4tt-0000BD-BG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:12:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0D8FCC421F; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:12:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5UfakXcdX2GA; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5292ACC4108; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27CEBCC4213 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uL7zszhGM4at for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE471CC4108 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-2-198-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.2.198]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lxbep-1O0Xjo0RVD-017GLm; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:11:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:12:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Vu20kwwngTzyWgmk441zAjeIXR9LR0DbLQFb EFaJhKXj30k5gWfSQeUpwiewMv3GQe7ZXfTlFpJ3MkUGdhsRPz 6Qkf6iYvrP9SYcNivPl3A== X-archive-position: 2069 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vWqqUrD8Le1qD82fAMQA:9 a=mPu74eRQ2_CE7bkVLr4A:7 a=MkB5wZml3DC_SZXTEwPAAf7GH6MA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=FCTOOUnFw-g_vx_S:21 a=s1RroU2tYX7ybdXl:21 In message <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 30 Dec 2009, at 18:33, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>> Of course I now have a 39 quid piece of software and no use for it, as all >>> the fonts I wanted to convert were Ornamental types. >> >> That is a pity. I wonder if the maximum number of path elements that >> the Acorn font manager can handle was increased in later versions of >> RISC OS, I can imagine that as they moved to Unicode support the >> characters got more complex. > Apparently, according to which version of RO you have, the system will > display 256 or 512 subpaths ... tho' I have no more information than > that. Ah, so the limit is on the number of subpaths, not on the number of path elements per subpath? That is an important difference. If the limit really is on the number of subpaths, then David's idea of smoothing the outlines to use fewer path segments will not make any difference. The number of required subpaths is determined by the design of the ornaments - basically, the number of white holes in the enclosing black shape. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 21:10:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ5iG-1FX000-06-ClX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:10:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ5iG-1FX000-06-ClX; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:04:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ5iG-1FX000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:04:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ5iD-0005Fs-3b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:04:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB88DCC42A0; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:04:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kj-MEYIvdxYM; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7AFFCC4270; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:03:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98BFFCC4279 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:03:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xbvxkdyiy2Zk for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 614BECC4270 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ5hv-0005X8-gu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:03:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:02:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=8Ug6nWmD5PoGCN7qYOwA:7 a=ZSNkdFj4RLGQH0AwoeWHsMPZDNUA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=2Jx5sWjI8tIiET_1:21 a=-NXdCFuKj2X2Ghgm:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes All I know is that the Unicode font manager is on the Iyonix - dunno if it is in any ROSL product. Martin - it'd be a funny character that had more than 256 holes in it (aero font?) - again from experience it is just the number of elements - points if you like that counts. I'd be interested to know by how far the characters are missing the limit, do they have 257 paths or 2570 paths. Another automatic technique might be to split the characters into halves. Ot maybe we can get the source code from RISC OS Open and change a constant value, rebuild, etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 21:25:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ5vD-26iGPo-02-CYa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:25:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ5vD-26iGPo-02-CYa; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:17:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ5vD-26iGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:17:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ5vC-0005lO-1y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8BF8CC42BD; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oqAQ1MY04a-a; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DBDECC4273; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBAC4CC4283 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6cfydBp4Y8O0 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92627CC4273 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.254.144]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBULHBQt021248 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:17:12 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:17:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5zPXBymanuU50y_MjW0A:9 a=l-DU95lCMvRCTf79TAIA:7 a=aub_Zvlsx83216nGHfHhSgBt5mUA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 In article <50d140aab3peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: [Snippy] > My solution there > was to create a PDF on the Mac side containing all the characters > (or, in some cases, use one helpfully provided by the foundry on > their website!) and use RiScript under RISC OS to save it as a > drawfile, then load into Vector, convert to path, and save each > glyph as a separate drawfile which could be loaded into Ovation > Pro frames. For initials, in particular, this is arguably no less > complicated than using a font to create a drop cap. The frame(s) > containing the ornaments can, of course, be embedded in the text > so that it/they flow(s) as it changes. I have a PDF file created on the PC side, but Saving that as a Drawfile on the RO side, then dropping it in to Vector or Draw doesn't work as you suggest, as "Convert to Path" is Greyed out. ? Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 21:40:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ67C-1kW000-01-CMb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:40:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ67C-1kW000-01-CMb; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ67C-1kW000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ67A-0005sS-9Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B006DCC431E; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E4hPqWJOLTBi; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02AD8CC3DD4; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BA0DCC42F8 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f5AXZ4kpg656 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3010ACC3DD4 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.254.144]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBULTWbg021733 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=m2fI_TxktHFZ6FS8qugA:9 a=ezWdYWHXi-0Hnly9dHsA:7 a=qUBE9GtPPCnwpkXuXxcKqNgDVBYA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=eTybdkgGSS0XrjwC:21 a=qeG-IbCG6_hlMLi8:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes > All I know is that the Unicode font manager is on the Iyonix - dunno if > it is in any ROSL product. > Martin - it'd be a funny character that had more than 256 holes in it > (aero font?) - again from experience it is just the number of elements - > points if you like that counts. > I'd be interested to know by how far the characters are missing the > limit, do they have 257 paths or 2570 paths. > Another automatic technique might be to split the characters into > halves. > Ot maybe we can get the source code from RISC OS Open and change a > constant value, rebuild, etc. In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... I've put the font we were using as a tester... http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Font1.zip Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 21:40:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6AC-2CIVbs-03-CJb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:40:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6AC-2CIVbs-03-CJb; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:33:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6AC-2CIVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:33:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6A9-0006pA-Cu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:33:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 679F5CC431E; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6BuEyjq5OiEL; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A774ECC42EB; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82B48CC432A for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bqSyfIZ8KxzE for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 422B6CC42EB for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ69s-0001sm-gY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:32:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:32:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2oeo04-KpPLUR2s_S9sA:9 a=paZYjR5XSY1K0uacCYQA:7 a=x5_TOIWAnh4VlOWllEZSQLfCbnoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=g6VSx-HVNE1pUwnq:21 a=QmyB_hB2HbJP-yFv:21 In article <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I have a PDF file created on the PC side, but Saving that as a > Drawfile on the RO side, then dropping it in to Vector or Draw > doesn't work as you suggest, as "Convert to Path" is Greyed > out. You can only convert one object at a time (in Vector, at least; I haven't used Draw for many years). If your PDF contrains the 35 characters in the PC font, convert that to a drawfile, load that into Vector or similar, then for each character select it, convert to path then save selection. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 21:55:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6NQ-2exVbs-03-C6N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:55:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6NQ-2exVbs-03-C6N; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:46:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6NQ-2exVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:46:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6NL-0007gt-Gj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:46:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2987ACC2B1B; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Npyr9ZbKcIJM; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12266CC3E0E; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3EA9CC3E2E for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E94oJu1z7zej for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA087CC3E0E for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ6N4-0001M1-aN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:46:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:44:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LWObA5qLHUzm7gvkZwMA:9 a=7z-tzaSgPBjdE8mCLPkA:7 a=6SQcDYBEupvkisw0V-95QXxuIa4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Zclkl1cNT2Vt_IrO:21 a=bQ499PCWxzv6mmR1:21 In message <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... I've put the >font we were using as a tester... Crumbs that is a complicated font. Do you really use these characters as letters, in other words wouldn't everyone be better off with a set of Drawfiles. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 21:55:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6Rn-0I1knw-05-C20.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:55:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6Rn-0I1knw-05-C20; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6Rn-0I1knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6Rj-0007FU-Ds for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19B45CC4243; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:51:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wb4GAtZw1T5H; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DE73CC423C; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:50:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECC49CC423D for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:50:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JFfw-Bo2cp0P for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913C8CC423C for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.254.144]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBULooH8022542 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:50:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:50:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2075 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cOB_6sVoYp-PyJNjngwA:9 a=-jws0xIUmSc4e3XGIQoA:7 a=sg-ad_1zVeBOzrXbJGLcqLjr9ZgA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Wo4mZhsN75OBLpQn:21 a=zdq6qhBh4-6woAoA:21 In article <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > I have a PDF file created on the PC side, but Saving that as a > > Drawfile on the RO side, then dropping it in to Vector or Draw > > doesn't work as you suggest, as "Convert to Path" is Greyed > > out. > You can only convert one object at a time (in Vector, at least; I > haven't used Draw for many years). If your PDF contrains the 35 > characters in the PC font, convert that to a drawfile, load that > into Vector or similar, then for each character select it, > convert to path then save selection. Sorry, I don't follow... I have a PDF containing the 28 characters, using !PDF I Save as a Drawfile. Open the Drawfile, all the characters are one object, it/they cannot be ungrouped. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:10:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6Z7-34TVbs-03-Bug.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:10:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6Z7-34TVbs-03-Bug; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:58:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6Z7-34TVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:58:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6Z5-0007kH-Lh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:58:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12358CC4325; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GSFKxdBSpIQe; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 375B3CC42C6; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2726CC42D2 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OwmWfRx4BYgW for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 562CFCC42C6 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ6Yi-000525-h6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:58:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2076 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CHMiEfyMe0xwgwslGzYA:9 a=DC9lSbwTdx-Q-tm7n58A:7 a=emlyVlkE1eNVxRBhI7Iz0EXDY5cA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=vs811vAYL0jjIOKc:21 a=g8swVbmLDfsDvEVr:21 In article <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I have a PDF containing the 28 characters, using !PDF I Save > as a Drawfile. > Open the Drawfile, all the characters are one object, it/they > cannot be ungrouped. Split that object into its individual subpaths then. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:10:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6hD-0YR000-07-Bma.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:10:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6hD-0YR000-07-Bma; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:07:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6hD-0YR000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:07:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6hC-0007Rc-5H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:07:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98DEBCC4365; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:07:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jlIJpW-Tuxus; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD1D0CC435A; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:06:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45AFBCC435B for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:06:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xp0h6dvYu6sR for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E38C8CC435A for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.254.144]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBUM6kqW023151 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:06:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f63d88dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2077 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LuU1NZssdVdAU8PiatgA:9 a=1nGcxi3yAq1QM1T4PsEA:7 a=kp4lB_02HwOo3D4dVJadIHhVY2sA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=JUw0l6xRgPq2rUoA:21 a=3Nftjkvs04kTEuf-:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... I've put the > >font we were using as a tester... > Crumbs that is a complicated font. Do you really use these characters as > letters, in other words wouldn't everyone be better off with a set of > Drawfiles. Possibly, but extracting them to get drawfile objects is proving difficult/impossible here. Dave Mmnnn! had a think outside the box moment... I need to power up a PC first, be back in a short while. I'm back... My thought was... I have an app installed on the PC called AspexDraw which can Load/Save Drawfiles. I put all the chracters on screen in the AspexDraw window, made 'em a good size, Converted to path, then saved as a drawfile. Transferred that over the LAN to this machine and loaded it into Draw. Wohay! that works. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:25:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6lC-0oJ000-08-Bib.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:25:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6lC-0oJ000-08-Bib; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:11:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6lC-0oJ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:11:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6l9-0007hZ-Ky for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:11:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96441CC437F; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:11:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63CDNdykpi6L; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5410CC4352; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A29C6CC4375 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eH3zeH47zuL5 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAD5ACC4352 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.254.144]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBUMAsiG023323 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:10:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2078 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=41TlIm8lXP2csNBXV28A:9 a=mKZd6ZB7t5uLwCOk1aUA:7 a=NLr4PTI9EVX03I2evcAP0AOTTzsA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=6MvXcklQRjMAiltP:21 a=MAHI-aBozPw196qk:21 In article <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > I have a PDF containing the 28 characters, using !PDF I Save > > as a Drawfile. > > Open the Drawfile, all the characters are one object, it/they > > cannot be ungrouped. > Split that object into its individual subpaths then. I have absolutely no idea what that means. You'll see from my latest post, it doesn't matter now, as I had a Eureka moment with AspexDraw. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:25:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6vv-14v000-07-BXs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:25:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6vv-14v000-07-BXs; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6vv-14v000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6vr-00027H-Kt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98948CC43D7; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l3FcQViabe6W; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 160E9CC43D3; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9F84CC43C1 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hvEWumRAWTuw for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A437CC430E for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQ6va-000186-Cx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:02 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQ6vY-00015R-Ch for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:22:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:21:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f7996ajohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com> <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-archive-position: 2079 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bO65zerOoDMKXTTKKSsA:9 a=Ua9VrTbtKM3lxYjDurIA:7 a=HMgy0D4m8Sxc6ovLkyuTYDYtURwA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=FajP9woUOsvVQhk_:21 a=6t5wZc98ysiyicxk:21 In article <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com>, > Peter Newble wrote: > > In article <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > wrote: > > > I have a PDF containing the 28 characters, using !PDF I Save > > > as a Drawfile. > > > Open the Drawfile, all the characters are one object, it/they > > > cannot be ungrouped. That is a problem, and is something I haven't encountered very often. When I have, it does tend to be insurmountable. > > Split that object into its individual subpaths then. > I have absolutely no idea what that means. I suspect it's something that can be done with Vector but not (as far as I can determine) with standard Draw. > You'll see from my latest post, it doesn't matter now, as I had a Eureka > moment with AspexDraw. I look forward to the next episode, when you have an AspexDraw moment with !Eureka :-) -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:25:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ6xR-3xDVbs-03-BWM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:25:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ6xR-3xDVbs-03-BWM; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:23:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ6xR-3xDVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:23:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ6xQ-0005ZS-2K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:23:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9A73CC43F0; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uhCbRoKzyTlk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01716CC43D8; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D267DCC43E6 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBhcaGmsXxU1 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80B04CC43D8 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ6x8-0000F6-hm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:23:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:23:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f7ccedpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com> <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fsYyZWlceOTgG5G6bLwA:9 a=hBlkNUfV6jUJ5dEiNUUA:7 a=boVKMxpGJP4P0oI1AkjVlYBXDRsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=f7wxkjZv-AvVvn70:21 a=b2aNghe2kKJdBlsN:21 In article <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com>, > Peter Newble wrote: > > Split that object into its individual subpaths then. > I have absolutely no idea what that means. In Vector, Special > Split subpaths. In Artworks, Lines/Shapes > Break Shapes (Draw won't do anything that useful, unfortunately) > You'll see from my latest post, it doesn't matter now, as I > had a Eureka moment with AspexDraw. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:55:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ7Df-4VJVbs-03-BG8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:55:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ7Df-4VJVbs-03-BG8; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:40:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ7Df-4VJVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:40:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ7Da-0002cH-LR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:40:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FA04CC4474; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TTDJd0MGYQ8m; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0864ECC4289; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2E00CC43D2 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YO9jtCOZzduw for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99861CC4289 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ7DJ-0006uL-XI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:40:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:40:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f954a6peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2081 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rScwYRLAYtndBCm0QrgA:9 a=3eND-k7xaVuKjuhTGr4A:7 a=JBAF5u_BWb-nRkuToGEwwaVQeZ4A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Z9oa4H9-rxePhnnI:21 a=kYOU4u0o1dLMN1Xe:21 In message <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes > >In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... > >I've put the font we were using as a tester... Aha, interesting to see the font itself. When I convert it myself using effTTT, although the conversion has obviously worked OK (there are the appropriate number of glyphs of non-zero width, for instance) only four can be rendered by the font manager here, using FontManager 3.60 and RISC OS 5.11, just the same as you experienced on RISC OS 6. The fifth visible character you mentioned has been mapped to ASCII 20, which isn't much use. In message <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > Apparently, according to which version of RO you have, the > > > system will display 256 or 512 subpaths ... tho' I have no > > > more information than that. In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Ah, so the limit is on the number of subpaths, not on the > > number of path elements per subpath? That is an important > > difference. Those four characters consist of 13, 14, 11 and 12 subpaths respectively, which break down to 283, 269, 236 and 280 path elements respectively. The remaining characters don't look twenty times as complex, so I'd guess the limit for both RISC OS 5 and 6 is 512 path elements (overall) not subpaths. In article , David Pilling wrote: > Crumbs that is a complicated font. Do you really use these > characters as letters, in other words wouldn't everyone be > better off with a set of Drawfiles. Typefaces have always included decorative fleurons, especially from the the eighteenth to early twentieth centiries, and these art-nouveau ornaments are a fairly extreme example of that. Used in the context of a line of text, it is much better if they are part of a font -- that way they share a baseline and change colour and size along with the rest of the text, if nothing else. But, as I wrote yesterday, for ornaments or decorative initials too complex for the RISC OS font manager to handle, drawfiles in embedded frames are the next best thing. Some type foundries sell their most complex characters as a collection of EPSs -- for instance P22 Lanston Goudy Initials: this alphabet has between 165 and 242 subpaths per character (an average of 2000 path elements each) which perhaps was judged too complex even for a Postscript font. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 22:55:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ7KE-2LB000-04-B9Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:55:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ7KE-2LB000-04-B9Z; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:47:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ7KE-2LB000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:47:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ7KA-000275-25 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:47:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C344ECC3E21; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nSASa3LvARLz; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2830CC3C08; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9AE7CC3DBB for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gYSMgf5jbV7Y for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62156CC3C08 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQ7Jl-0007cY-L0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:47:01 +0000 Received: from [77.102.182.62] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NQ7Jk-0002i5-Pj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:47:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:46:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1f9dce6john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <50d1f954a6peter@newble.com> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f954a6peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2082 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HT14CBwBefZoZnPaKZEA:9 a=bKdcrAF0aQYqjNFeTvEA:7 a=K7SOIYVR5GtIRygazTMbM-tvaboA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=9VhLJxgIKrn1g-pi:21 a=xIwkYyD5HXhTYqOz:21 In article <50d1f954a6peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: > In message <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > > >In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... > > >I've put the font we were using as a tester... > Aha, interesting to see the font itself. > When I convert it myself using effTTT, although the conversion > has obviously worked OK (there are the appropriate number of > glyphs of non-zero width, for instance) only four can be rendered > by the font manager here, using FontManager 3.60 and RISC OS > 5.11, just the same as you experienced on RISC OS 6. The fifth > visible character you mentioned has been mapped to ASCII 20, > which isn't much use. Just for the record: I did exactly the same and with identical results, on a RiscPC running RISC OS 4.02 with FontManager 3.40. I suspect this is going to be replicated on most if not all versions of the FontManager, which is a bit disappointing. However, and also for the record, I can state that virtually every font I have ever needed or handled has worked fine during these past twenty years (where did all that time go??) so it doesn't seem -- from here at least -- to be a hugely significant issue. It would be nice to fix it one day, but perhaps isn't among the highest priority items of work... -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 30 23:10:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ7d1-0x6knw-06-Aqm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:10:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ7d1-0x6knw-06-Aqm; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:06:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ7d1-0x6knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:06:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ7d0-00043O-40 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:06:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFE4DCC41D6; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5awEpgsgOdrk; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25955CC3EC6; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F16C0CC40D9 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XELz5rY7d0qK for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB702CC3EC6 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQ7ch-0005kI-fx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:06:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:06:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d1fbbb3cpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50d1f9dce6john@acornusers.org> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f954a6peter@newble.com> <50d1f9dce6john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2083 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3_ilYjs1XqiFTmfHXZQA:9 a=CD6sgWOYPSet_8SUtnYA:7 a=_revHXJYOl_wazqwL_mqySBMU5MA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 In article <50d1f9dce6john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward wrote: > However, and also for the record, I can state that virtually > every font I have ever needed or handled has worked fine > during these past twenty years (where did all that time go??) Ditto here -- probably no more than a dozen or so fonts have cuased me problems due to too too many path elements (as far as I could tell), and usually only a few glyphs in each font. > so it doesn't seem -- from here at least -- to be a hugely > significant issue. It would be nice to fix it one day, but > perhaps isn't among the highest priority items of work... No. General stability of the font manager, and greater tolerance of (or, more usefully, reporting specific faults in) dodgy fonts, rather than crashing unexpectedly, would be a much higher priority. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 11:43:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQ9lS-1uwknw-07-8iL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:43:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQ9lS-1uwknw-07-8iL; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:23:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQ9lS-1uwknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:23:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQ9lQ-0002N6-HU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:23:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7990CC4511; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zm+n64K-qlJX; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49ECDCC4503; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D346DCC4508 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MmcrZr01tsox for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99D37CC4503 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb-87-82-11-36.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.11.36] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQ9l8-0009W6-7b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:23:26 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts / contacting EFF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:23:28 GMT Message-ID: <584408d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2084 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lornWqIwhnAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=usFMQVgSr-Ee_zkV1EQA:9 a=mJDcwGGqpxASHlGKTs0A:7 a=9IkXEQLONf81pPJFU3mzttjXnHEA:4 a=tuQnb1FHfUIA:10 a=7p0oesC3ARob--mE:21 a=Q5sBjNaT21WNPz5A:21 David Pilling wrote on 30 Dec: > Have you mentioned to whoever you bought the software off that it won't > do what you want? i'd be interested to hear comment Edward at EFF. i don't think he reads this mailinglist, but perhaps the OP could email him; he's usually good at responding: address is fonts [ at ] eff.co.uk ... we could invite him to join the discussion here. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 11:43:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQA4i-2iIVbs-05-Gvb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:43:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQA4i-2iIVbs-05-Gvb; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:43:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQA4i-2iIVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:43:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQA4g-0005U6-7e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:43:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F157ECC456A; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xOpMWB890hqX; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ACF5CC41E8; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B8ACC44CC for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHk2tHKzmNMS for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E22A4CC446D for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb-87-82-11-36.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.11.36] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQA4N-000Os8-IW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:43:19 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:33:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2085 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lucdafqVrmAUCzVTfk4A:9 a=Faj89lDlz-sPlU9eWHIA:7 a=7IPPVcqkXAldSG4RFPSkai5FrFQA:4 a=UHNfkkgcTtkPZR71:21 a=A8m-oqevK3YtL0H6:21 Dave Symes wrote on 30 Dec: > In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... I've put the > font we were using as a tester... > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Font1.zip Dave -- perhaps i missed the posting: did you already put a picture of this font online somewhere, where we who can't view a TTF file can see what this wonderfully complex font looks like? i'm curious. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 11:43:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQF61-07pGPo-07-BuI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:43:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQF61-07pGPo-07-BuI; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:05:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQF61-07pGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:05:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQF5w-0000h4-Lu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:05:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3D51CC3D5D; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:05:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AGc7Rdw9xkzX; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2894FCC3D39; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 040FECC3D4A for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDaZP-VDBh2h for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F960CC3D39 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.250.117]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBV74pQN011850 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:04:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:57:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9i_oCpcfUoVxtUdyGYoA:9 a=k0kLKJ0C83ys2V1R4w0A:7 a=3eYfqLdJ-KBbKKWAtJcOpVpdoukA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=u1pK5_2_ME1lIoJf:21 a=tL4rpeN4IwkNIqAH:21 In article , Jim Nagel wrote: > Dave Symes wrote on 30 Dec: > > In case anyone else is interested in having an experiment... I've put > > the font we were using as a tester... > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Font1.zip > Dave -- perhaps i missed the posting: did you already put a picture > of this font online somewhere, where we who can't view a TTF file can > see what this wonderfully complex font looks like? i'm curious. Indeedy I did Jim, I put up that archive with various illos, and since the discussion has moved on I've remove everything from it except the grab from "The Font Thing" showing the Font in all its glory. http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Illo.zip There's only one illo Jpeg in there now "PCOrna1/jpg" Dave I subsequently put up the actual TTF as I assumed some of the folks here would like to see its innards. If anyone would like to see grabs of the other Ornamentals that won't display on RO, mention it here, and I'll put some grabs up on the site for viewing. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 11:43:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQF6B-0FIGPo-08-Bu8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:43:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQF6B-0FIGPo-08-Bu8; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:05:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQF6B-0FIGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:05:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQF62-0003LA-57 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:05:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44BACC3D98; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:05:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HakLlqNZmg+Y; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 035A6CAA2FF; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC84ACC3C1E for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EEt8GCZbQyIV for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FFE2CAA2FF for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.250.117]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nBV74pQL011850 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:04:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:45:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d22044acdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d1f7ccedpeter@newble.com> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f323bcpeter@newble.com> <50d1f4c93bdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com> <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk> <50d1f7ccedpeter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sXKMZCArzZZjNJPd0hAA:9 a=H3QvsRM25vkaHZUT06MA:7 a=Xpj_h6R2cFBErW55STNOyAOWoawA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=zozCieSE1h04Emef:21 a=2CS2cps6ze2Yg670:21 In article <50d1f7ccedpeter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <50d1f69beddave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <50d1f57d6apeter@newble.com>, > > Peter Newble wrote: > > > Split that object into its individual subpaths then. > > I have absolutely no idea what that means. > In Vector, Special > Split subpaths. > In Artworks, Lines/Shapes > Break Shapes > (Draw won't do anything that useful, unfortunately) Ah I see, thanks for the info. I do have a copy of Vector, but again, that option is Greyed out. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 11:43:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQG4A-2UAGPo-02-Aw9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:43:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQG4A-2UAGPo-02-Aw9; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:07:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQG4A-2UAGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:07:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQG48-0007Bx-9h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:07:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88300CC3E01; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXU8UMpfQTZI; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7E89CC3DE3; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF843CC3DEA for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aIhE-BZjGZA for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CF8FCC3DE3 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so14843769ewy.26 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.93.77 with SMTP id k55mr7268182wef.196.1262246830768; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5acadc7e.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm35823717eye.5.2009.12.31.00.07.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:07:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts / contacting EFF From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <584408d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:07:07 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <017F975E-6E04-4860-8EFA-BB74FEA3106B@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <584408d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lornWqIwhnAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SHMCWMP2JzafGY6C4fcA:9 a=BQ7ijs20iOMKSIAjqYsA:7 a=zUMpV4s6OqTobLkphdibYYkskrcA:4 a=tuQnb1FHfUIA:10 a=7glRlh5wVIbCHBIX:21 a=gIU7eNjAdxeFua3c:21 On 31 Dec 2009, at 01:23, Jim Nagel wrote: > David Pilling wrote on 30 Dec: >> Have you mentioned to whoever you bought the software off that it = won't >> do what you want? >=20 > i'd be interested to hear comment Edward at EFF. i don't think he=20 > reads this mailinglist, but perhaps the OP could email him; he's=20 > usually good at responding: address is fonts [ at ] eff.co.uk > ... we could invite him to join the discussion here. I've already been in touch with EFF. It was Edward who provided the = information about the 256/512 path elements limit of the RO font = manager. As Dave Symes has already reported in this thread, effTTT = successfully translates the Orna font, but the RO font manager can't = display it. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 11:58:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQJYr-1N8Vbs-08-Fxy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:58:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQJYr-1N8Vbs-08-Fxy; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:51:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQJYr-1N8Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:51:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQJYp-0006RL-39 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:51:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42BB9CC3F15; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 110YHtltw58F; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D580CC3DDF; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ECE8CC3F15 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GtZcukrH7GQY for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDC0CCC3F14 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQJYW-0005hT-nZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:51:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:49:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2089 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=3zM754X-IkFu_qS_QWkA:7 a=JIr0cQLi7zy3c1yr9dWY-pXk87gA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=pWNsCJPKvIJLbgs8:21 a=yV3Mc181mwIPu9Vu:21 In message , Jim Nagel writes >of this font online somewhere, where we who can't view a TTF file can >see what this wonderfully complex font looks like? i'm curious. I presume true type fonts (TTF) work on Mac, I'm wondering if something like Oregano can use them on RISC OS. In message <50d1f954a6peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble writes >Those four characters consist of 13, 14, 11 and 12 subpaths >respectively, which break down to 283, 269, 236 and 280 path >elements respectively. The remaining characters don't look twenty Thanks, interesting comments. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5acadc20.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm29791888eyz.23.2009.12.31.04.12.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:12:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:12:31 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2615BE6D-E743-4B82-BCD8-5F2FDE58433A@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2090 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DJ_QGAxjKxVZo2aazX4A:9 a=-5YbTAJez7pXwJcqnLoA:7 a=Pjd1-t-2Fx3au9uoEIvIAxEppAQA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=EmPEfuN7KzY6sOTJ:21 a=S7vafDO4JZbetl7y:21 On 31 Dec 2009, at 11:49, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Jim Nagel = writes >> of this font online somewhere, where we who can't view a TTF file can >> see what this wonderfully complex font looks like? i'm curious. >=20 > I presume true type fonts (TTF) work on Mac ... Indeed ... I believe TT was originally developed by Apple as an = alternative to Adobe Type 1, which at the time was a closely guarded = secret. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 12:28:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQJyv-3GXVbs-04-FXu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:28:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQJyv-3GXVbs-04-FXu; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:18:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQJyv-3GXVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:18:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQJyu-0007h8-7A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:18:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 027BACC3EDB; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dlakA7u2BoxW; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13C0CCC3DC4; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA5E8CC3E99 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OfAKYKkZLzsW for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52D86CC3DC4 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1463915eyg.22 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.9 with SMTP id l9mr24001071ebp.14.1262261881876; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5acadc20.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm29844665eyb.42.2009.12.31.04.18.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:18:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:17:59 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <60A9393A-1F09-4774-A73C-8725771F810E@ed.ac.uk> References: <50d0cafa57dave@triffid.co.uk> <56239.86.150.17.195.1262015855.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <50d0e5d6f9dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0efa696dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d0f2fa54peter@newble.com> <50d126887fdave@triffid.co.uk> <50d140aab3peter@newble.com> <50d1f1b3addave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UUdu77yAiQIPHm604joA:9 a=1gXx7dZ3xRTGvp063KQA:7 a=nEAcsz23yE-iCiN2Dod-yE-rg1MA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 On 30 Dec 2009, at 21:17, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50d140aab3peter@newble.com>, > Peter Newble wrote: > [Snippy] >=20 >> My solution there >> was to create a PDF on the Mac side containing all the characters >> (or, in some cases, use one helpfully provided by the foundry on >> their website!) and use RiScript under RISC OS to save it as a >> drawfile, then load into Vector, convert to path, and save each >> glyph as a separate drawfile which could be loaded into Ovation >> Pro frames. For initials, in particular, this is arguably no less >> complicated than using a font to create a drop cap. The frame(s) >> containing the ornaments can, of course, be embedded in the text >> so that it/they flow(s) as it changes. >=20 > I have a PDF file created on the PC side, but Saving that as a = Drawfile on > the RO side, then dropping it in to Vector or Draw doesn't work as you > suggest, as "Convert to Path" is Greyed out. Just out of interest ... what Windows software did you use to create the = PDF? Acrobat 9 refuses to embed the Orna1 font, so all I see in the PDF = once it's taken out of the Windows environment are Roman characters in = whatever font the local software chooses as a substitute. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 12:43:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQKAo-3Obknw-03-FM1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:43:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQKAo-3Obknw-03-FM1; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:30:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQKAo-3Obknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:30:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQKAl-00012P-Hx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:30:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45BE7CC3FB6; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGv8n4GpS52b; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C30ECC3FA4; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57FF6CC3FAE for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NEixQl3RPhEO for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C0A0CC3FA4 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 07:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9E7571C00087 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:30:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 910961C00088 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:30:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from rachael.localnet (unknown [91.104.210.231]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6EFF31C00087 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:30:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20091231123017454.6EFF31C00087@mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:30:16 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.2 (Linux/2.6.28-17-generic; KDE/4.3.2; i686; ; ) References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200912311230.16580.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> X-archive-position: 2092 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4nX0CyZDQiNuEacQDwUA:9 a=VKAVn-g0vuhu6UX7GBAA:7 a=yDfjUn74NjT1ON3987L8ixgHaR4A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=M3YVSJaPmp_3n5kS:21 a=V-sLkdgef21mkKeL:21 On Thursday 31 Dec 2009 11:49:57 David Pilling wrote: > In message , Jim Nagel > writes > > >of this font online somewhere, where we who can't view a TTF file can > >see what this wonderfully complex font looks like? i'm curious. > > I presume true type fonts (TTF) work on Mac, I'm wondering if something > like Oregano can use them on RISC OS. I'm also able to view them in Kubuntu 9.04. 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(5acadc20.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm10366997ewy.3.2009.12.31.09.50.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [softwarelist] Fusion 3, Windows 7, OPW and mouse speed problem Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:50:33 +0000 Message-Id: To: David Pilling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2093 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HZxN6YJeHPQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gN8cZQivQaw1hwNcbEUA:9 a=M9OxvbLch_TRd5olWh4A:7 a=UKq_RCJsJQQdhcQHFU5iWq4LEqsA:4 I thought I had narrowed this down to a problem with VMware Fusion 3. = However, another user in Texas ran the OPW demo on an identical = hardware/software setup and reports: "I did see some initial mouse slowdown when the program [OPW] opened in = a very small window (which it keeps doing). When I maximized the = window, the mouse is as responsive as anything else. Actually I did = close one of the floating windows as well but I can't seem to find it = again, even uninstalling and re-installing the program. Since I closed = that, nothing I do can slow down the i-beam cursor using a wireless = mighty mouse. I've turned on rulers, registration marks, etc and = everything works on Win7 x64." This prompts me to ask about the "floating windows". =46rom memory, = these are Colours and Styles. I long ago changed the behaviour of my OPW = installation so that it opened fullscreen with no floating windows ... = don't remember how I did that, now. Do the floating windows fulfil any = special purpose (other than the obvious)? By stopping them appearing at = startup, have I inadvertently created the mouse speed issue? Apologies = in advance if this is a daft question. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 18:28:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQPZm-00uGPo-02-9x3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:28:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQPZm-00uGPo-02-9x3; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQPZm-00uGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQPZh-0003kx-QV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B650CC3849; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eJ2LNYXSbaGV; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96F1FCC2A22; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E88BCC31BA for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PH24LmAwi5h7 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34104CC2A22 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NQPZ4-0003pJ-jT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:16:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9ewVu+CKoOPLFwJA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:14:34 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fusion 3, Windows 7, OPW and mouse speed problem References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BrwLyDyiuK4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RvFr7HYeeHBbDh79qgUA:9 a=5fbOmWWupbQ8H2GIND0A:7 a=LAvWPHArGnu4MlcRS0OKbx8uKjoA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=pJIR0LoZRdnrb0dt:21 a=azLLh-2zYrg1r-4C:21 Hi, In message , Clive Bonsall writes >I thought I had narrowed this down to a problem with VMware Fusion 3. >However, another user in Texas ran the OPW demo on an identical >hardware/software setup and reports: It is interesting to hear how the program looks to someone not used to it. >mouse is as responsive as anything else. Actually I did close one of >the floating windows as well but I can't seem to find it again At first I thought he meant the info palette and/or toolbox. >This prompts me to ask about the "floating windows". From memory, these >are Colours and Styles. They're provided by applets. The way to bring them back is to go to the applets menu, and click on the appropriate entries. To let Texas into a secret, settings for applets are stored on disc and uninstalling the program does not get rid of them. From that point it sounds like you're right and he does mean the colour and style windows. It would be interesting to know if opening these windows makes the problem come back, but they really should have no bearing on the matter. You can either just not have the style/colour windows open, or you could make the applets inactive which gets rid of their menu entries. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 19:43:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQQld-2gzVbs-03-8lC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:43:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQQld-2gzVbs-03-8lC; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:33:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQQld-2gzVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:33:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQQlZ-0002fe-Rl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:33:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1504CC3E73; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:33:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EZUaOQlsbMvt; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB6D2CC3E01; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AD61CC3E17 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g16Rcz08cSVQ for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40A9ECC3E01 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.112.29.2] (helo=lab.4QD) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NQQlH-0002ES-4Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:32:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Richard Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:22:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro Start page no? Message-ID: <50d26b0ff7Lists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2095 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fqpCFGSnkicA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=GTA4bdinAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lnONuIoAmZ6ygrA2U7gA:9 a=zuLFSYZoQjkgXWqWXTYA:7 a=J7NerVRkJ3AtZnjWbS8WIYpLMW8A:4 a=em9WOzJM8_5194qi:21 a=PHs9OkL_iL0JhqXc:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50cfb2aa4bLists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Richard Torrens (lists)" > writes > >Starting a new chapter in the current document is easy - but I cannot > >find how to do chapters as separate files, as the O-Pro manual does. > >That starts e.g. chapter 12 at page 163. > Note that the page menu offers you the ability to copy and paste > chapters, that along with the ability to delete chapters lets you move > chapters into separate documents. Yes, all designed for writing a book and changing your mind. The situation is different when you have imported a text (in this case Google's http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=y4IvAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22Forest+of+Dean and are trying to convert to a book... Original is available in several forms (html, pdf, png) to make life interesting. What I shall do is to start at the end. Add a chapter after, move the appendix. Add another pager before that, move chapter 13. Recreating the original (or something like it is quite a challenge. Not sure it's something I shall repeat! One problem is that breaking it into sensible chunks for printing doesn't break it at chapters. So doubtless I'll also have to split chapters. -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 20:28:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQRcE-24F000-02-GR7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:28:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQRcE-24F000-02-GR7; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:27:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQRcE-24F000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:27:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQRcB-0007iq-Q3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:27:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5941CC3CD4; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZymT8GmNO418; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D83C0CC3C56; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1359CC3C81 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZTOeBqElyHj for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.144]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D8CCC3C56 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1564633eyg.22 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.42.81 with SMTP id r17mr2423272ebe.3.1262291226043; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5acadc20.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm30551525eyx.14.2009.12.31.12.27.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:27:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fusion 3, Windows 7, OPW and mouse speed problem From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <9ewVu+CKoOPLFwJA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:27:03 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2856C615-074A-4109-99AC-000565422B54@ed.ac.uk> References: <9ewVu+CKoOPLFwJA@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2096 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BrwLyDyiuK4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Qg9xUxk7R97mINV3yZEA:9 a=xC1a4LrneyntdcjS-hcA:7 a=TScHH8mE5b4s5WDbisRg5XzSIFAA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 31 Dec 2009, at 18:14, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive = Bonsall writes >> I thought I had narrowed this down to a problem with VMware Fusion 3. = However, another user in Texas ran the OPW demo on an identical = hardware/software setup and reports: >=20 > It is interesting to hear how the program looks to someone not used to = it. >=20 >> mouse is as responsive as anything else. Actually I did close one of = the floating windows as well but I can't seem to find it again >=20 > At first I thought he meant the info palette and/or toolbox. >=20 >> This prompts me to ask about the "floating windows". =46rom memory, = these are Colours and Styles. >=20 > They're provided by applets. The way to bring them back is to go to = the applets menu, and click on the appropriate entries. >=20 > To let Texas into a secret, settings for applets are stored on disc = and uninstalling the program does not get rid of them. =46rom that point = it sounds like you're right and he does mean the colour and style = windows. >=20 > It would be interesting to know if opening these windows makes the = problem come back, but they really should have no bearing on the matter. >=20 > You can either just not have the style/colour windows open, or you = could make the applets inactive which gets rid of their menu entries. Thanks for the clarification. Opening and closing colour/style palettes = makes no discernible difference to mouse behaviour here. So, cause and = effect remain a mystery. Anyway, not a big problem for me ... I've given = up on Windows 7 for the time being, because I can't get it connect to = the Internet via the MacBook Pro (no such problems with XP, however). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 20:43:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQRrx-2Zuknw-05-GBO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:43:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQRrx-2Zuknw-05-GBO; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQRrx-2Zuknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQRrv-0007if-A1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DFFDCC41BB; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xQJobRQTIY+V; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 863C9CC4087; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CCD9CC4133 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tZ7ortgnrBUQ for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C0BCCC4087 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb-87-82-18-229.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.229] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQRrc-0005Ev-ID for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:43:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:26:45 GMT Message-ID: <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2097 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=x7tkVl33nekR9_78qQMA:9 a=OIns_fE0WhqgVvpaceQA:7 a=beIbEihgJ8mZw8Mm7WlodJn2llsA:4 a=4AcYER7P6lmvo0x1:21 a=cMKATdnu9P2HZjS_:21 Dave Symes wrote on 31 Dec: > ... showing the Font in all its glory. > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Illo.zip Clive Bonsall wrote on 31 Dec : > ... effTTT successfully translates the Orna font, but the RO font > manager can't display it. begs the question of whether this sort of thing (having seen the JPeg illo of it from Dave Symes above) can really legitimately be called a "font". why would anyone want to be able to type those characters from a keyboard? surely they'd be handy enough as separate drawfiles. did its perpetrators in PC-land do the designs as a font simply because their poor benighted world lacks anything so universally handy as our Draw? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 31 21:58:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQSvx-4a1000-08-F7O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:58:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQSvx-4a1000-08-F7O; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:51:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQSvx-4a1000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:51:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQSvj-00045F-9F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:51:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD89FCC4378; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7OkISvtefnk; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B79B4CC4226; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88715CC41DA for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDnn54EAToyE for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9349DCC4226 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so15467178ewy.26 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.41.134 with SMTP id o6mr6313009ebe.78.1262296229144; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:50:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5acadc20.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm30641997eyg.9.2009.12.31.13.50.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:50:28 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:50:26 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=dgYYGtlaAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UIKrVYrQsJhXyBA7AegA:9 a=MoC9nMdsLjl5rounUdwA:7 a=tGY6-CX_3L0Y6wByOXuBWBC1v-UA:4 On 31 Dec 2009, at 20:26, Jim Nagel wrote: > Dave Symes wrote on 31 Dec: >> ... showing the Font in all its glory. >> http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Illo.zip >=20 > Clive Bonsall wrote on 31 Dec : >> ... effTTT successfully translates the Orna font, but the RO font >> manager can't display it. >=20 > begs the question of whether this sort of thing (having seen the JPeg=20= > illo of it from Dave Symes above) can really legitimately be called a=20= > "font". why would anyone want to be able to type those characters=20 > from a keyboard? surely they'd be handy enough as separate drawfiles. Fair point. They are created from bitmaps to start with. One of their = main uses seems to be for greetings cards ... in that environment = perhaps it's easier to apply/manipulate the images in font form. Who = knows? See: http://www.listemageren.dk/fontarkiv/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 1 12:00:36 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NQbUv-3PTVbs-03-F4w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:00:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NQbUv-3PTVbs-03-F4w; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:00:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NQbUv-3PTVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:00:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NQbUt-00070a-Nd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:00:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA190CC5E7E; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gabQYoXa3B-K; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F03A4CC575A; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5147CC5E3C for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qERHIe7TexMD for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DB90CC575A for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.136.153]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o01708Fi003010 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 2010 07:00:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <50d2aa2303dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <50d1e14186dave@triffid.co.uk> <65Jk3MDrz5OLFwST@pilling.demon.co.uk> <66ECDE6C-550D-40CC-935A-97E38F74D6B5@ed.ac.uk> <50d1f2d630dave@triffid.co.uk> <50d2215492dave@triffid.co.uk> <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ih4ZQ5hMm_rxwJu2MK4A:9 a=sSKwF33qiLo0_uTToZEA:7 a=N2y-G6XdVVsdigeEUPvxiVYr9J8A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Wi4yac_Z4Ds-3HL2:21 a=9AuWoAi_euhyd0F-:21 In article <33f070d250.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > Dave Symes wrote on 31 Dec: > > ... showing the Font in all its glory. > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Illo.zip > Clive Bonsall wrote on 31 Dec : > > ... effTTT successfully translates the Orna font, but the RO font > > manager can't display it. > begs the question of whether this sort of thing (having seen the JPeg > illo of it from Dave Symes above) can really legitimately be called a > "font". why would anyone want to be able to type those characters > from a keyboard? surely they'd be handy enough as separate drawfiles. > did its perpetrators in PC-land do the designs as a font simply > because their poor benighted world lacks anything so universally handy > as our Draw? Jim, It is sometimes very handy to be able to illuminate a document you are creating, and having some graphics as a Font does make it easier & quicker. As a foot note... If anyone is interested in seeing the seven fonts I was attempting to convert, with each character as a Draw object, please ask and I'll Zip em' and put them up on the site. As I mentioned in an earlier posting Aspex Draw solved the problem, and I was able to convert to path, then Save as Drawfiles direct from the PC side. I guess Oak Draw might do similar, but it's not an app I'm familiar with. With regard to universally handy Draw, well I have to totally agree with that sentiment, but we shouldn't forget things like InkScape on the PC side, and even the Computer Concepts offering. (Can't remember its name ATM.) Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling