From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 12:10:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N615d-1OPGPo-04-Coo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:10:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N615d-1OPGPo-04-Coo; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:05:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N615d-1OPGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:05:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N615a-0005bu-Vq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:05:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86AEFCBA5AA; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYODM0cHRpRC; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBF5ACB9359; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:05:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EC94CBA58F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H1xxmyZpERrE for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43416CB9359 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N615J-0005L1-ZT; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:03:22 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1874 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8VbOqVXZ8ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=qmnWbnYQ7CeM_v85qwEA:7 a=dsSufOhGbMQopaKTHqnNASZoZaMA:4 a=ELKrSgOHvqhD7lI8:21 a=N_g4fA2IQwsSUsC2:21 Hi, Getting a bug fixed is as likely as winning the lottery, so congratulations to Jim Nottingham and Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch, your bugs have been fixed. Both bugs are to do with justified text but not related, Mr. V gets the jackpot because his bug also appears in the Windows version (fix later). You can get the new RISC OS version from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N61eM-0005sQ-XS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:41:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:45:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS Message-ID: <50b56fedffcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1875 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=W7gbU1dR-xPUEXm0jCQA:9 a=dZTKEJN7uycHP1iYoFMA:7 a=wYQ94zduxNEeLwBLYmfTvyVaB88A:4 a=0oenccQybscAn3wP:21 a=Xq4q_IENMlrLwY8W:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Getting a bug fixed is as likely as winning the lottery, so > congratulations to Jim Nottingham and Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch, your > bugs have been fixed. > Both bugs are to do with justified text but not related, Mr. V gets the > jackpot because his bug also appears in the Windows version (fix later). > You can get the new RISC OS version from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip I've already got op277.zip loaded in Jan 2008 -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 12:55:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N61pY-4Bs000-01-C4t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:52:24 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS To: David Pilling From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:51:08 GMT Message-ID: References: <50b56fedffcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b56fedffcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-archive-position: 1876 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ut-W0nRXMNsNbTsE0UMA:9 a=wXTdd99WWlsqr_CA91sA:7 a=FfFdM03utyL3Z1eCYstBZNxid20A:4 a=3TeEFzfNAhKFymS_:21 a=k1X2iKeWBh4jhJbN:21 On 5 Nov, charles wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: [snip] >> You can get the new RISC OS version from: >> http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > I've already got op277.zip loaded in Jan 2008 There have been several 2.77 versions - I've downloaded 9, from June 2006 until today, and may not have got all the individual updates. -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you the Prime Minister?" "No, but I've often been mistaken." "What, for the Prime Minister?" "No. I've just often been mistaken..." To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 13:10:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6242-1w9knw-04-BqP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:10:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6242-1w9knw-04-BqP; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:07:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6242-1w9knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:07:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N623z-0007eq-W8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:07:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CED11CB897F; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:07:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5q5ONdnBWmbS; 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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb-87-82-24-77.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.24.77] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N623V-000790-9w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:07:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS To: David Pilling From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:59:42 GMT Message-ID: <613271b550.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <50b56fedffcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b56fedffcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1877 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=A0daSGo4rsE4m7ASwE4A:9 a=JhgfcYXHZotnIzjOwWIA:7 a=eAQuluhQPjIFxdYB2HrHNtRdt_UA:4 charles [hope, to provide his surname] wrote on 5 Nov: > I've already got op277.zip loaded in Jan 2008 judging by the Changes file with the new version, your version would probably be 2.77f. today's update is 2.77m. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 13:25:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N62B5-2rGknw-04-BjM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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05 Nov 2009 13:14:42 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1N62Ak-00031K-1T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:14:42 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS To: David Pilling From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:14:24 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: c44a79768bc5391f0ad4f9039f831bdf X-archive-position: 1878 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kNPLp4cSfB9ZoMsxRy0A:9 a=523g4TX4mcMhcqRhrnMA:7 a=RpjYiCjFATavVFCC9L1BPXS9R3wA:4 a=zw6h1A24o64A:10 a=ey0GM0AuYK0X2aQx:21 a=iDfbMISgUGy63Jvt:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Getting a bug fixed is as likely as winning the lottery, so > congratulations to Jim Nottingham and Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch, your > bugs have been fixed. > Both bugs are to do with justified text but not related, Mr. V gets the > jackpot because his bug also appears in the Windows version (fix later). > You can get the new RISC OS version from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Thanks David for the latest 2.77m (5 Nov 2009) version of OvPro. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 14:25:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N63F0-3vTknw-03-AfR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:22:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:21:29 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1879 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yi778HSgj1sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=75iJwT47_FQX0x-AeekA:9 a=a159SRFIk1WmPOQfUlEA:7 a=E3GXSOHgCX5PIo4zybAbdyRrK8sA:4 a=vGXKROhAqruwStqS:21 a=JLkabUIew2TIZMNV:21 Hi, Tagging along behind, as Windows ever does, comes the version which corresponds to the RISC OS bug fix announced above. You can get it from: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe which is version 2.92, 5th. November 2009. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N63iY-3NbVbs-03-ABt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N63iY-3NbVbs-03-ABt; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:53:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N63iY-3NbVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:53:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N63iW-0002nS-H4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D95ECB7C28; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PWS54UBDM+eG; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25C55CB76C2; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E91FDCB7BF4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dJOedfOgeeWy for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFEA2CB76C2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N63iE-0005mb-V9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:53:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:53:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Message-ID: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1880 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pYK8-mSz6v4qXEjMT1wA:9 a=KEo4OUReDChmthdcUekA:7 a=L7JnLJbt9sMfyvxpXKp10OJr_AcA:4 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=FUe6_oI4vw-IwnBL:21 a=VXAq29IMKeMJEUgp:21 On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Tagging along behind, as Windows ever does, comes the version which > corresponds to the RISC OS bug fix announced above. > You can get it from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > which is version 2.92, 5th. November 2009. Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this program correct?' I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N63m1-14rknw-02-A8Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N63m1-14rknw-02-A8Q; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:57:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N63m1-14rknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:57:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N63ly-0007CL-Sz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:57:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3137ACB7C37; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:57:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acRr6V+AsHnt; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C0EACB7BFD; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:56:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B272CB7C24 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:56:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bMwUGQv2GGOL for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2A2ACB7BFD for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-6-163-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.6.163]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LkknQ-1MXose2kBo-00aqWz; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:56:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:58:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4c0c7cb550.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19hlFcuBA+kNiViDgeWBYghAkppH35+LRE9jfN Ah9rk2+LjGWtrsPA6pqsaeaL1CZwoKEbwdmuS4USW8Tn8c1o1n yudKcZyc3DdCcVDr9PHlw== X-archive-position: 1881 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kkMZ_iB7eNHJQyGoeuEA:9 a=_iK1q2NFleWdjWtcxnsA:7 a=YCsiwzpISXgUWVmik5167_3gYxcA:4 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=0DrtlWjQyjYxaE5a:21 a=AYB8-OBzapJXJx4N:21 In message <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> Phil wrote: > On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> Tagging along behind, as Windows ever does, comes the version which >> corresponds to the RISC OS bug fix announced above. >> You can get it from: >> http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >> which is version 2.92, 5th. November 2009. > Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this > program correct?' > I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) Then something has gone wrong. It shows 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) here. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N648O-1P7knw-01-9m3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N648O-1P7knw-01-9m3; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N648O-1P7knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N648L-0003iV-Hv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:20:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46912CB7CCB; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GwUiaoGxhA3M; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 446CCCB7C5D; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:20:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 162B2CB7C99 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z8gF0sTciCPn for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A16BCB7C5D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N647v-0007dB-KZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:19:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:14:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Message-ID: <50b57d8eafphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c0c7cb550.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> <4c0c7cb550.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1882 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E3-04uPU4LjpHDhoxREA:9 a=u3gLGRWGkozWgBP_Le8A:7 a=MDl0juvO25R5zCcXgYhUobKc6J4A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=-NneF_ly89zWrjrk:21 a=8EAwhBEl76FAVuvg:21 On 05 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> > Phil wrote: > > On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Tagging along behind, as Windows ever does, comes the version which > >> corresponds to the RISC OS bug fix announced above. > >> You can get it from: > >> http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > >> which is version 2.92, 5th. November 2009. > > Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this > > program correct?' > > I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) > Then something has gone wrong. It shows 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) here. > Martin Didnt it just Martin, and it wasnt here. Just downloaded it again, and its updated ok. Try my original download again and it shows 2.70 (24th Dec 02) and the Changes277m file is present in the download. Very strange. I'll drop a copy to David and see if he can see whats happened. Thanks Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N65MJ-0vd000-04-8Y8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N65MJ-0vd000-04-8Y8; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:38:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N65MJ-0vd000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:38:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N65MG-0004gb-C1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:38:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5927CB80CB; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:38:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iemGMHbCK-8X; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 845E6CB809F; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:38:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55C34CB80A3 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:38:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9G6urP8N6sUt for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 199EACB809F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091105163824.HJOJ17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:38:24 +0000 Received: from OFFICE ([86.8.92.142]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091105163824.XIMA2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@OFFICE> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:38:24 +0000 From: "jeff wallis" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:38:19 -0000 Message-ID: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcpeI4C5zVQQ00tKRqC7CtjCpy31nQAEn64g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5cxLvEBCGjoA:10 a=NRNsk-tpofC0ijQy1zkA:9 a=fobLiNIX-aMmW9YFjqsWu0dx-7IA:4 X-archive-position: 1883 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NRNsk-tpofC0ijQy1zkA:9 a=VP0I1_ofRAvBJnhWu7sA:7 a=GPBfCLVyLFfpLTTcBG3qdM6SrG8A:4 Help! What have you done? Type first word in new frame - OK Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had been pressed. Type second word (now on second line) Press space bar - word jumps up to first line, cursor remains on second line. Jeff Wallis To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N65Xc-0Dxknw-02-GtL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N65Xc-0Dxknw-02-GtL; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N65Xc-0Dxknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N65XV-0007SC-6W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AD6FCB83C2; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:50:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPlrcWc58oNV; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82503CB832C; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:50:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D38FCB8394 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:50:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CnwWB8IN0k1Q for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF4C1CB836B for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk (88-202-198-7.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.198.7]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA5Go2Qn017873 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:50:02 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:03 GMT Message-ID: <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1884 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=obeml-i81XKcmPPLsfAA:9 a=ymoO-GpS62fYs_JE2ZAA:7 a=7pnBCox-T7uQBgWun1cpCwUupewA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=2U05M7uCqUXLG7gr:21 a=kSoQ6sPZtpEdtUq8:21 In message <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> "jeff wallis" wrote: > Help! What have you done? > Type first word in new frame - OK > Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had been > pressed. > Type second word (now on second line) > Press space bar - word jumps up to first line, cursor remains on second > line. It doesn't do that here... Alan > Jeff Wallis > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N65jK-1ua000-08-Ghd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N65jK-1ua000-08-Ghd; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:02:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N65jK-1ua000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:02:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N65jJ-00044T-RW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:02:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 220ECCB84A7; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DmgFbC9B7ja8; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52911CB83EB; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E221CB84A7 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OY701BiTBRlT for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2D51CB83EB for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix (cpc1-hink3-0-0-cust32.lei3.cable.ntl.com [82.31.212.33]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lmwns-1MVx9f07Z6-00hiFD; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:02:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Tank X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:02:03 GMT Message-ID: <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> X-Organization: Tank Stage Lighting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1903cwjYXU05xhxfKVQjH0F8pUdGEsG8QE5JNn nspHxk71Ebdwp9DYTUaWSHwM9pMDwY9f+jCrLpvdWMQBU45Kvn WR9tln+4L/H3l4X3SV7YQ== X-archive-position: 1885 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=pzQaSaUXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HQ1YTTJXrQdSATSg1AoA:9 a=ADLc5tZPHmqFIsEJ0PQA:7 a=v3LK07bp5k1CEcYZy3OuyhHRmiYA:4 a=T_7byOBfQHAA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=zI4j7KUV0q0A:10 a=aSEMBPi_L_6kIpHP:21 a=4_1AmZrldrKDoGza:21 In message <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> > "jeff wallis" wrote: >> Help! What have you done? >> Type first word in new frame - OK >> Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had been >> pressed. >> Type second word (now on second line) >> Press space bar - word jumps up to first line, cursor remains on second >> line. > It doesn't do that here... > Alan Does here, in Windows 7 >> Jeff Wallis Tank -- webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Iyonix PC To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N65tS-0mvknw-04-GXV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N65tS-0mvknw-04-GXV; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:13:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N65tS-0mvknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:13:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N65tP-00061T-Ky for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:13:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DA81CB8BA7; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jue-+jNAFz5b; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B2D1CB7CA2; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:12:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69204CB8B99 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:12:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTqXXr9HgYvL for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10A60CB7CA2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so201555ewy.34 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.88.207 with SMTP id a57mr1077573wef.200.1257441165883; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac33486.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm5919507eyd.8.2009.11.05.09.12.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:12:45 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:12:38 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1886 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MEfzhEnulRVkT3UKOooA:9 a=XY3hnN-jzp-6UCqpidoA:7 a=z8CO3FHSNpmefTXhD8XG4IHWZc4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=w2vNDgzfjxDMfDOt:21 a=XF3LacbbBpNthBqP:21 On 5 Nov 2009, at 17:02, Tank wrote: > In message <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: > >> In message <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> >> "jeff wallis" wrote: > >>> Help! What have you done? > >>> Type first word in new frame - OK >>> Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had >>> been >>> pressed. >>> Type second word (now on second line) >>> Press space bar - word jumps up to first line, cursor remains on >>> second >>> line. > >> It doesn't do that here... > >> Alan > > Does here, in Windows 7 ... and here in Windows XP running under emulation (VMware Fusion 3) on a Mac. At this very moment I'm doing a complete reinstall of WinXP, in case I cocked up first time around ... wish I'd seen this discussion before I started. ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:30:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N65zg-3yE000-07-GRH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:30:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N65zg-3yE000-07-GRH; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:19:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N65zg-3yE000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:19:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N65zb-0000yx-Gf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ABA5CB8DC9; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:19:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K4CLRDgosnvC; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77978CB8B57; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50C06CB8C69 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YMy-emIga48T for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93CA8CB8B57 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1010) id B77E684589C; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:18:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.4 required=8.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 Received: from owner8ba57bba1 (host-84-9-199-123.dslgb.com [84.9.199.123]) by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8688845863 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1> From: "Tom at Bulldog" To: References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:18:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="response" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 1887 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@bulldoghome.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=IQLYKrxWkDzhsmJal3sA:9 a=_JwVrRPMROUtAAvUg8sA:7 a=o8G52xKHwfFcEcwtk-WXesMJowEA:4 a=vaF4yFaCieYA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=3opqH4nQCIEipH9P:21 a=dGyszWP1TDB9dqn0:21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Bonsall" To: Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows > > On 5 Nov 2009, at 17:02, Tank wrote: > >> In message <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> >> Alan Adams wrote: >> >>> In message <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> >>> "jeff wallis" wrote: >> >>>> Help! What have you done? >> >>>> Type first word in new frame - OK >>>> Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had been >>>> pressed. >>>> Type second word (now on second line) >>>> Press space bar - word jumps up to first line, cursor remains on >>>> second >>>> line. >> >>> It doesn't do that here... >> >>> Alan >> >> Does here, in Windows 7 > > ... and here in Windows XP running under emulation (VMware Fusion 3) on a > Mac. At this very moment I'm doing a complete reinstall of WinXP, in case > I cocked up first time around ... wish I'd seen this discussion before I > started. > ... and here on Windows XP on a standard Pentium Windows machine. TomH > ========================================== > C.B. > ========================================== > > > > > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 25 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:45:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66HF-4Sdknw-06-G9i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:45:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66HF-4Sdknw-06-G9i; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66HF-4Sdknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66HF-0002e3-5g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E283CB875D; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:37:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CCQ7dOQGu6Ht; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1207CCB8564; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E326DCB8593 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id colrXNULcGID for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97BEACB8564 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N66Gj-00057M-gg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:37:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:35:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1> In-Reply-To: <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1888 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DKS3mwP8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=tawdLeLf4u3mGnTvoJ0A:7 a=KaUc7GNPVBFmyq7hKqOEPv1StsgA:4 a=aFK3Y8iggiUA:10 a=A4zCxO-RSpgKyJKv:21 a=MZxPYCUB9vPA0Zkx:21 Hi, In message <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1>, Tom at Bulldog writes >>>>> Help! What have you done? >>>>> Type first word in new frame - OK >>>>> Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had been >>>>> pressed. Sorry, I've obviously fixed a minor bug and created a major one. Don't download it anymore - I'll put a fixed version up later tonight. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:45:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66IJ-3w8knw-04-G8e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:45:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66IJ-3w8knw-04-G8e; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:38:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66IJ-3w8knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:38:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66II-0000Oa-IW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:38:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36645CB92CF; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:38:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3V7cNEGSY29q; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EEA0CB92A0; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D06E7CB92A4 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BLu43IdWAUm8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C3BCCB92A0 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N66I2-00064C-g9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:38:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:37:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS References: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1889 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=_pqJGGj8z9x8on1yMDAA:7 a=kmLdd9YS58acjMrA2Fx3i-wS_YEA:4 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=ca9-GsYSZ13sM9jd:21 a=mZv8XbhMs_pJHp88:21 In message <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this >program correct?' >I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) I've no idea what has gone on with your upgrade, but 2.70 is definitely not available on the web site, and the file you sent me appears to be today's upgrade. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 17:45:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66N2-2Hoknw-08-G3v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 17:45:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66N2-2Hoknw-08-G3v; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:43:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66N2-2Hoknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:43:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66Mz-00057U-W5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:43:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32E3BCB9A13; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:43:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kypgRBBxH8K0; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF60BCB9187; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83BD2CB922B for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id afPe6yeNgG3O for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from c.a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (65.30.187.81.in-addr.arpa [81.187.30.65]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF16CB9187 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 175.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.175] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N66Mf-0006i6-0k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:43:17 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF30EB4.8000003@heter.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:43:16 +0000 From: Philco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS References: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1890 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3OiFc4r8J-fdcaIgUnMA:9 a=Et3slzEXAwK0sHRY7ZAA:7 a=Kma17dDQmzRoxTUVvLNjMdfh7EwA:4 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=-74DXolgw2nfHvnP:21 a=-QPsWzVBFRxN_qvM:21 David Pilling wrote: > In message <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes >> Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this >> program correct?' >> I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) > > I've no idea what has gone on with your upgrade, but 2.70 is > definitely not available on the web site, and the file you sent me > appears to be today's upgrade. > > Thanks David. Did you actually try the refresh in the files I sent too. As you say the files seem to be correct. If I try and use it it still gives me the old version. Very strange. Regards Phil To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:00:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66ZL-0ihVbs-01-Frc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:00:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66ZL-0ihVbs-01-Frc; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:56:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66ZL-0ihVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:56:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66ZH-0002Ve-GA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:56:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C0DECB9A7B; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:56:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qdsjm6sIdPwS; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D84BCB9C75; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4147ACB9C78 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hVnRdRiKRQAZ for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0955CCB9C75 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N66Yv-0000Ob-CG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:55:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:55:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 (5th November 2009) RISC OS Message-ID: <50b58c4f6ephilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4AF30EB4.8000003@heter.co.uk> References: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> <4AF30EB4.8000003@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1891 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iIz5_-PY5BYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XlEe9PT3BctqtK1sHVAA:9 a=_H3eTnE2wlak3ptUJpcA:7 a=so0YRh1vLiXR9MwYayJqpINEhd0A:4 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=aCwT0yMnh2-nhhWa:21 a=aIFky3GUbu8lj35B:21 On 05 Nov, Philco wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > > writes > >> Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this > >> program correct?' > >> I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) > > > > I've no idea what has gone on with your upgrade, but 2.70 is > > definitely not available on the web site, and the file you sent me > > appears to be today's upgrade. > > > > > Thanks David. Did you actually try the refresh in the files I sent too. > As you say the files seem to be correct. > If I try and use it it still gives me the old version. > Very strange. > Regards > Phil > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling Just thought I do a check. I have an old Refresh which has been in the same directory as all the upgrades for years. Guess what, its never done this before, but it was seeing that refresh rather than the one I'd run in the Zip file of the new version. The strange thing is, running the second downloaded version of upgrade even with the old refresh in the directory, installed OK. One of those things.... I'll post this on the maillist too. Thanks Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:00:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66ae-3d8000-03-FqJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:00:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66ae-3d8000-03-FqJ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66ae-3d8000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66ac-0007E2-0F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B81A9CB9C8B; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHMhwiP4Lplq; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE32CCB9AC8; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC694CB9C71 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Vz6RJpd+UsY for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8501DCB9AC8 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N66aJ-0000Uo-3k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: OVLIST Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Message-ID: <50b58c70e2philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b57d8eafphilco@heter.co.uk> References: <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> <4c0c7cb550.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <50b57d8eafphilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1892 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=blGaUTf7H-r7UpC7kWMA:9 a=Sw_cWvq2bZqn0Cm203kA:7 a=6Ud_iWjffxYTK750anrPrRJzBnwA:4 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=O1EvfVzj5ilgOaJJ:21 a=6x76BTkcge_BeYpM:21 On 05 Nov, philco@heter.co.uk wrote: > On 05 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <50b57b9840philco@heter.co.uk> > > Phil wrote: > > > On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> Tagging along behind, as Windows ever does, comes the version which > > >> corresponds to the RISC OS bug fix announced above. > > >> You can get it from: > > >> http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > >> which is version 2.92, 5th. November 2009. > > > Oooer, in the riscos version update, is the Info in the 'about this > > > program correct?' > > > I seem to have 2.70 (24th Dec 02) > > Then something has gone wrong. It shows 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) here. > > Martin > Didnt it just Martin, and it wasnt here. > Just downloaded it again, and its updated ok. > Try my original download again and it shows 2.70 (24th Dec 02) and the > Changes277m file is present in the download. > Very strange. Just thought I do a check. I have an old Refresh which has been in the same directory as all the upgrades for years. Guess what, its never done this before, but it was seeing that refresh rather than the one I'd run in the Zip file of the new version. The strange thing is, running the second downloaded version of upgrade even with the old refresh in the directory, installed OK. One of those things.... Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:15:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66nf-2MZVbs-01-FdI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:15:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66nf-2MZVbs-01-FdI; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66nf-2MZVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66nb-0002fi-HZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A45B0CB8E17; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aw37YQQoCkJn; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77A8BCB8C05; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:10:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547A0CB8D2A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:10:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0awGVUgZ0HRt for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 036DECB8C05 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk (88-202-198-7.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.198.7]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA5IAnV4021172 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:10:49 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:10:46 GMT Message-ID: <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1893 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=DKS3mwP8AAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=j6m8mNoKhZ8iNr_1qG8A:9 a=C-DL7VgrD1s1HLtJ7EEA:7 a=cYI12F0jndCElDFRHOFHD1VyItIA:4 a=vBe1XAWe1PAA:10 a=aFK3Y8iggiUA:10 a=CkHg8wUT2z70PWML:21 a=tWJ56ALg9Ucm02rQ:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1>, Tom at > Bulldog writes >>>>>> Help! What have you done? >>>>>> Type first word in new frame - OK >>>>>> Press space bar - curser drops to line below as though RETURN had been >>>>>> pressed. > Sorry, I've obviously fixed a minor bug and created a major one. Don't > download it anymore - I'll put a fixed version up later tonight. As described it doesn't seem to affect the RISC OS version - only Windows. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:30:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66vz-1U2Vbs-08-FUy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:30:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66vz-1U2Vbs-08-FUy; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:19:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66vz-1U2Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:19:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66vw-0002fk-5E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:19:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5046FCB908E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SYqno9fAcKnA; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFD23CB8DE5; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99FCECB8E90 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CLplip64lPJa for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F1A7CB8DE5 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091105181924.ZPAP27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:19:24 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.14.48.51]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091105181923.ZPQZ2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:19:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:19:26 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Spell checking problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-IOFDBmtK8BtGdhbRywA:9 a=AIHPh4jHSSsaraHPCFoA:7 a=-fVU-Jb8hHTcs8Dqg4hiw5fy1uMA:4 X-archive-position: 1894 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-IOFDBmtK8BtGdhbRywA:9 a=gwSPPrqr9-J8tyLHpuIA:7 a=LHyI24O7h3UVLdehve0rEU7Rg-YA:4 Ay up For some time when I load Ov Pro [ 2.77 old and now new as it were ] and do a spell check almost every word is identified as requiring checking whether correct or not . My work round has been to open the !Words directory and double click on !Boot and !Run close !Words adjust double click and then load as normal nd it seems then to be OK . Given David has been kind enough to provide 2.77m I thought I'd start from 2.6 and go from there . If I prepare a copy of 2.77m and simply update the colour supplement and run it I get exactly the same problem . Does this mean that it is something else outside the program that is messing up the spell checking I wonder ? Of course I can't remember how long go this started and what I had done before it began ! TIA Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:30:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N66xV-1UsVbs-07-FTS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:30:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N66xV-1UsVbs-07-FTS; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N66xV-1UsVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:21:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N66xS-0005g6-DS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:21:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4659CCB911B; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:21:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9PvzDaFYqE-d; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF8CCB8E0E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18E50CB9025 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1aW+DhMUtN6K for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2F78CB8E0E for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N66xB-0007l0-lj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:21:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:19:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1> <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1895 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NO-HW9iigX27Yqf1-eoA:9 a=Z4so8La9Cq14tGqw3KsA:7 a=Draf2OSNo3RM0w-t8JO8zqN5C-AA:4 a=6weTc6HBKP2cO2i8:21 a=oW2DvvJw0o5K0SLh:21 In message <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan >> Sorry, I've obviously fixed a minor bug and created a major one. Don't >> download it anymore - I'll put a fixed version up later tonight. >As described it doesn't seem to affect the RISC OS version - only >Windows. Yes, the problem is only with the Windows version. Anyway, I've fixed the problem and put the new file on my web site: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:45:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N67BF-2WTknw-03-FFi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:45:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N67BF-2WTknw-03-FFi; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:35:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N67BF-2WTknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:35:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N67BA-0004gI-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:35:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E2E6CB9CB3; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:35:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T0zQ7zoKsy87; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FA8FCB915C; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:35:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED97FCB9174 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MzwOyf1uLUc for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1E1DCB915C for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1010) id 86556845872; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:35:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.4 required=8.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 Received: from owner8ba57bba1 (host-84-9-199-123.dslgb.com [84.9.199.123]) by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C66845862 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:35:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <2301961932A549AC834A144AFDF59E4C@owner8ba57bba1> From: "Tom at Bulldog" To: References: <431532B53538452CBDF3CC64DE059156@OFFICE> <384986b550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <576287b550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> <46246E14C259478F835CFFC173815D77@owner8ba57bba1> <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:35:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="response" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 1896 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@bulldoghome.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=q0seklXTT5cRofzkClIA:9 a=aAXAwf1TexgBPZ1kvNIA:7 a=VDVZcIf-MrjgWzAl26rX11Rc4i4A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=gVPsWkfLI38YkKOu:21 a=bICCUrw8v2XH-HPa:21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows > In message <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan >>> Sorry, I've obviously fixed a minor bug and created a major one. Don't >>> download it anymore - I'll put a fixed version up later tonight. >>As described it doesn't seem to affect the RISC OS version - only >>Windows. > > Yes, the problem is only with the Windows version. > > Anyway, I've fixed the problem and put the new file on my web site: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > .... and all seems fine now - WindowsXP on a standard Pentium Windows machine Thank you yet again, TomH > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 25 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 18:45:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N67Ji-1lgGPo-06-F7F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:45:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N67Ji-1lgGPo-06-F7F; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:44:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N67Ji-1lgGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:44:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N67Jg-0006QN-Jw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:44:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26742CB5734; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:44:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hint140DIA2M; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABC86CB3E8A; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84702CB5258 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nE6sBK4c9euN for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5074ECB3E8A for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N67JO-0000bL-cc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:43:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:42:34 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1897 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=FwglurVa2P18mUro39YA:7 a=zN2akPp9g0SImBDT6bdPFACwBEcA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=7k56u8hcbY8yahqO:21 a=iDIMVhGvR3YmkkX3:21 Hi, In message <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn writes >My work round has been to open the !Words directory and double click on >!Boot and !Run close !Words adjust double click and then load as normal >nd it seems then to be OK . Where is !Words? It sounds like your copy of !Words is not being booted. By the way if you double click a folder whose names starts with ! that will run the !Run file. ISTR that the first time a folder of a given name is "seen" that !Boot file is run. Maybe you have an empty !Words somewhere that is taking priority over the correct one. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 19:15:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N67nq-1OlGPo-07-Ed7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:15:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N67nq-1OlGPo-07-Ed7; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:15:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N67nq-1OlGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:15:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N67nk-0001qq-MY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:15:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ED7ACB913E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:15:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4af9VSUMpG9c; 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Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091105191454.PLGK17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:14:54 +0000 Received: from JVPC ([86.15.182.38]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091105191454.IMWN13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@JVPC> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Vanags" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:14:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA5E4C.3FE35930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kOq43g8-I6UA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=a4y5E36LeTmSbUwlBtgA:9 a=v-5-7eQA8iXzR7WdnZHej3_m7rAA:4 a=oE-WTeGy9vnBJWZe:21 a=E3Vb9tfmcWJzJj7y:21 a=tQk2dFVCP6GbraSUBxIA:9 a=_iUeBFYG_9vc0O5FNMIA:7 a=HaM4BzjqEh_Xl2Hhzc-gyN5IjEAA:4 X-archive-position: 1898 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john.vanags@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=a4y5E36LeTmSbUwlBtgA:9 a=v-5-7eQA8iXzR7WdnZHej3_m7rAA:4 a=oE-WTeGy9vnBJWZe:21 a=E3Vb9tfmcWJzJj7y:21 a=tQk2dFVCP6GbraSUBxIA:9 a=_iUeBFYG_9vc0O5FNMIA:7 a=HaM4BzjqEh_Xl2Hhzc-gyN5IjEAA:4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA5E4C.3FE35930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/11/2009 18:19:30, David Pilling (flist@pilling.demon.co.uk) wrote: > In message <0bad8db550.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan > >> Sorry, I've obviously fixed a minor bug and created a major one. = Don't > >> download it anymore - > I'll put a fixed version up later tonight. > >As described it doesn't seem > to affect the RISC OS version - only > >Windows. >=20 > Yes, the problem is only with the Windows version. >=20 > Anyway, I've fixed the problem and put the new file on my web site: >=20 > = http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR = UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 Hi, Still happening here (Vista). Tried with installing the upgrade twice. J Vanags ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA5E4C.3FE35930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
On 05/11/2009 18:19:30, David Pilling (flist@pilling.demon.co.uk) = wrote:
> In message <0bad8db550.= Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>,=20 Alan
> >> Sorry, I've obviously fixed a minor bug and = created a=20 major one. Don't
> >> download it anymore -
> I'll put = a fixed=20 version up later tonight.
> >As described it doesn't = seem
> to=20 affect the RISC OS version - only
> >Windows.
>
> = Yes, the=20 problem is only with the Windows version.
>
> Anyway, I've = fixed=20 the problem and put the new file on my web site:
>
> http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOv= nPro.exe
>=20
>
>
> --
> David Pilling
> email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk>=20 web: http://www.davidpilling.net
&= gt; post:=20 David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR = UK
> fax:=20 +44(0)870-0520-941
Hi,
Still happening here = (Vista).
Tried  with installing the upgrade = twice.
 
J Vanags
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA5E4C.3FE35930-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 21:30:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N69gQ-2fHVbs-02-CkX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:30:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N69gQ-2fHVbs-02-CkX; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:15:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N69gQ-2fHVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:15:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N69gN-0001p1-Hf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:15:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 887FBCAEB0E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jx3HtcflVAzs; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8940DAC0918; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:15:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D928CA9D6B for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NhlnJYYtdhkt for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03564AC0918 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix (cpc1-hink3-0-0-cust32.lei3.cable.ntl.com [82.31.212.33]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LiIi3-1MJ7ri3DN5-00mvCq; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:15:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Tank X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:15:31 GMT Message-ID: <06979eb550.tank@tankstage.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tank Stage Lighting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX188xx/8uxTFkIaJN8x5uJktAfiZJMb5Bqr7nvO UqxUCYWkVNP6a8Yy6hpjUPqDQOqIuAHeG7N5y4b0XwqhsqNeGJ cEj8NJXn0izUJ1R4QWckg== X-archive-position: 1899 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=pzQaSaUXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=s1xethW-ACNpHd1vtQkA:9 a=1r7XpC3yxnwSJChzk4IA:7 a=Fggp7ZDTZRJud4Px8b2HP-BYsGsA:4 a=T_7byOBfQHAA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=zI4j7KUV0q0A:10 In message "John Vanags" wrote: > Hi, > Still happening here (Vista). > Tried with installing the upgrade twice. > J Vanags Working fine on Windows 7. Thanks David. Tank -- webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Iyonix PC To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 5 21:30:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N69lw-33pknw-08-Cf1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:30:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N69lw-33pknw-08-Cf1; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N69lw-33pknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N69lu-0004h0-Hb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0FE2CB584E; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:21:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bUMQvLpgPiZT; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71B1CAED3F; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:21:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F149CB39C2 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:21:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XSGoXopCqE+K for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15A91CAED3F for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N69lb-0002ha-aP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:19:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (5th November 2009) Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1900 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHwJ7TQ5AycA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=F4CBqi6JBYCJmX96QRgA:9 a=FHyxjNtEMC85cQO693IA:7 a=nokgD0bBVWptBo9FLCRIWCvRScAA:4 a=cF3IdvJgGT8A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=alw7rul9iCyeh2WZ:21 a=Yq2SeNhxjybXAYQp:21 In message , John Vanags=20 writes >Still happening here (Vista). >Tried=A0 with installing the upgrade twice. One possibility is not getting the latest version of the upgrade -=20 perhaps because of caching the old version has been downloaded again. Or=20 it may be that the new version is being downloaded but failing to=20 install over the previous one. On caching, try using a different form of the URL: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe replacing .com with .net or .co.uk The latest upgrade has file length 1644000 bytes and modified time 5 Nov=20 18:13, check those. As to installation, ISTR you need to run the installer from a Vista user=20 account with admin privileges. You could look at the OvnPro.exe file in: C:\Program Files\DavidPilling... which for the latest version has length 2482176 bytes modified 5 Nov=20 18.08 --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5ac3347e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm506257eyg.41.2009.11.06.05.55.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:55:53 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Antialiasing in OPW From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:55:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <5091d186acrod@argonet.co.uk> <37aaeb9150.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5091efebe2rod@argonet.co.uk> <5091f26136dave@triffid.co.uk> <5091fd6a29rod@argonet.co.uk> <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1901 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2saqE_ZwtYcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ofGQ1rqWGhZ9-11by4oA:9 a=HJa2RqhLe7Qel1fjaDYA:7 a=w7CYoetaytlbF3mWsCyZqYY-yRUA:4 Antialiasing can be switched on in Windows via Microsoft's ClearType Tuner. AFAICS, at 100% zoom, antialiasing is only applied to text at point sizes of 14pt and above. Does anyone know if it's possible to change the threshold point size for antialiasing? ========================================== C.B ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 6 14:00:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6PL3-4dvVbs-02-E8w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:00:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6PL3-4dvVbs-02-E8w; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:58:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6PL3-4dvVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:58:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6PL0-0005PX-9G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:58:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC6ADCB9D54; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:58:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B4RzJiT7j9WM; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77A73CB9D1E; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52968CB9D3C for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cFUUn-sskWXO for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1FCBCB9D1E for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1032676ewy.34 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.2.84 with SMTP id 20mr828621ebi.90.1257515913070; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac3347e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm516945eya.20.2009.11.06.05.58.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:58:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Button sprites in OPW From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:58:22 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5667F93E-D087-45DA-B799-3A114D0FC24B@ed.ac.uk> References: <5091d186acrod@argonet.co.uk> <37aaeb9150.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5091efebe2rod@argonet.co.uk> <5091f26136dave@triffid.co.uk> <5091fd6a29rod@argonet.co.uk> <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1902 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AbcVcJFYCPgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kpfqTeW4e9HbxesUbNsA:9 a=MLN9KNz4NUDcUPXzjqIA:7 a=j6blNC1mg_2OVSvIPo6OQLO-jZUA:4 Several years ago, I created some new button sprites for OPW -- but now I can't remember where/how they should be installed. Can someone refresh my memory, please? ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 6 14:30:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6PkA-2zNVbs-07-Djp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:30:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6PkA-2zNVbs-07-Djp; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:24:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6PkA-2zNVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:24:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6Pk9-0004WR-G5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:24:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 143D6CB9E05; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:24:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pDBysaOFxVGa; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7E5ECB9D8F; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDE3ECB9DD7 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3VXP4WdQIRpl for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87980CB9D8F for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N6Pjj-0004u7-iw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:24:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:22:53 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Button sprites in OPW References: <5091d186acrod@argonet.co.uk> <37aaeb9150.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5091efebe2rod@argonet.co.uk> <5091f26136dave@triffid.co.uk> <5091fd6a29rod@argonet.co.uk> <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5667F93E-D087-45DA-B799-3A114D0FC24B@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5667F93E-D087-45DA-B799-3A114D0FC24B@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1903 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AbcVcJFYCPgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=runCDZcumOoDiOIRu00A:9 a=9EtNo0WyYOuLX5xM4s0A:7 a=mw5YsKFZRFPckO6zivT93pTELbkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=Vh-tFBxJBknC0yq4:21 a=1mahsL5k2XnRQDjW:21 In message <5667F93E-D087-45DA-B799-3A114D0FC24B@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Several years ago, I created some new button sprites for OPW -- but >now I can't remember where/how they should be installed. Can someone >refresh my memory, please? Use the Custom applet, and put them in the AResouces folder. The Applet has a help file you can view from the applet manager. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 6 14:30:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6PoF-3TBVbs-07-Dfk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:30:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6PoF-3TBVbs-07-Dfk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:29:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6PoF-3TBVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:29:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6Po9-0004Tk-1Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00601CB9EB0; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KSM9ygwWCoXY; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBA23CB9ED4; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A49ADCB9EB0 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id igGGymhBsEYP for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB184CB9EDB for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so556645fga.10 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.187.10 with SMTP id k10mr5826928fgf.49.1257517679381; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac3347e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm549076fga.0.2009.11.06.06.27.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:27:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Button sprites in OPW From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:27:48 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <5091d186acrod@argonet.co.uk> <37aaeb9150.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5091efebe2rod@argonet.co.uk> <5091f26136dave@triffid.co.uk> <5091fd6a29rod@argonet.co.uk> <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5667F93E-D087-45DA-B799-3A114D0FC24B@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1904 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AbcVcJFYCPgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=V0LJAwbU97PX1Q3C9jcA:9 a=ueZImik6I5lV3oqjGnQA:7 a=RYINPUrRf9tavH8q8ZFowJYmiKMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 6 Nov 2009, at 14:22, David Pilling wrote: > In message <5667F93E-D087-45DA-B799-3A114D0FC24B@ed.ac.uk>, Clive > Bonsall writes >> Several years ago, I created some new button sprites for OPW -- but >> now I can't remember where/how they should be installed. Can >> someone refresh my memory, please? > > Use the Custom applet, and put them in the AResouces folder. The > Applet has a help file you can view from the applet manager. That's it, now I remember ... thanks. ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 6 15:00:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6Q8Y-05r000-01-DLR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:00:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6Q8Y-05r000-01-DLR; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:50:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6Q8Y-05r000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:50:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6Q8V-0006dL-6A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:50:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2251ECB9F80; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:49:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7UDKyjsOc51; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFC51CB9F0B; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5947CB9F1A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AGvVt2-IYDnX for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FC91CB9F0B for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so566218fga.10 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.87.68.28 with SMTP id v28mr1833873fgk.38.1257518980300; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac3347e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm1169541fga.12.2009.11.06.06.49.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:49:39 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Antialiasing in OPW From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:49:29 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <35B5685D-E2E8-4375-B297-B643C9940170@ed.ac.uk> References: <5091d186acrod@argonet.co.uk> <37aaeb9150.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5091efebe2rod@argonet.co.uk> <5091f26136dave@triffid.co.uk> <5091fd6a29rod@argonet.co.uk> <$kT1QmBhcEmKFwnA@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1905 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2saqE_ZwtYcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TzMLWgX3CE0YjuH3mHMA:9 a=CqpqekjDOWFCr2vscC8A:7 a=nAIi1lQ8vng-BiabgmiSX6DAuJMA:4 On 6 Nov 2009, at 13:55, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Antialiasing can be switched on in Windows via Microsoft's ClearType > Tuner. AFAICS, at 100% zoom, antialiasing is only applied to text at > point sizes of 14pt and above. Does anyone know if it's possible to > change the threshold point size for antialiasing? Sorry, please ignore my original posting -- the lack of antialiasing at font sizes below 14pt was apparently caused by simultaneously using the Magnifier utility in WinXP ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 11:21:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6iaQ-2SjGPo-07-Bwb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:21:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6iaQ-2SjGPo-07-Bwb; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:32:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6iaQ-2SjGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:32:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6iaP-0000VG-S2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:32:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E580CB8B8C; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6mJJd1aIJwzj; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 640EDCB8B11; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:31:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BAD2CB8B44 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:31:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8tZZqnl4erht for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEFDECB8B11 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (88-202-216-180.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.216.180]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA7AVgGT019425 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:31:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:29:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OPro double-click oddity Message-ID: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1906 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qaTt3gC8bNUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7J4scpNeg6G2gUqtrkMA:9 a=o5SwSwDr7s23uXYyOZUA:7 a=v7M_B0ZLOm9NWjH7fU5EWQlrVcsA:4 a=fwDXBbrwLhFy19X5:21 a=4xpXCgw6W3w9fH7J:21 Has anyone else noticed that from Ovation 2.77k (28 Jan 2009) onwards, double-clicking in text to select a word at the beginning of a line selects the white space of the line above as well? I see that double-clicking a word in the middle of a line now selects the word plus the space before it, whereas it used to select the word plus the space after it. I also find that copying text via the global clipboard from Easiwriter into Ovation, which used to work, now tends to drop the text into the line above where one intended (saving it in is OK). I have a first-generation Iyonix using RISC OS 5.14, and have checked that earlier versions of Ovation Pro seem OK in this respect. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 11:51:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6jeU-34uknw-02-AsX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:51:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6jeU-34uknw-02-AsX; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:40:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6jeU-34uknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:40:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6jeQ-0004Tf-7q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:40:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18FE5CB852A; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:40:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BCcRgQ1E7Khu; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03674CB84AA; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:39:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3804CB84CE for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:39:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5OiaLHwDK8AZ for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from out-mta1.ai270.net (out-mta8.ai270.net [94.126.40.175]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85936CB84CC for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [94.126.40.164] (helo=out-filter3.ai270.net) by out-mta1.ai270.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6je8-0006AL-2o for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:39:56 +0000 Received: from [94.126.40.134] (helo=post.lcn.com) by out-filter3.ai270.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6je6-000666-GF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:39:56 +0000 Received: from [89.243.173.207] (helo=riscube) by post.lcn.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N6je6-0007Xr-3U for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:39:54 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 9.0.698 [270.14.53/2486]); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:41:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:40:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity Message-ID: <50b671a284richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-AI-Sender: rich@willowsong.com X-AI-SAScore: 0.1 X-AI-SpamScanned: yes X-archive-position: 1907 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=sG_fqCoiAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EsnwCfh3lhEeAhlpd5EA:9 a=dcx36YTQsGFxT6RRW7YA:7 a=70CsYQTauJzLjS__wxxBhxYKP-gA:4 a=A7VkY_w2LbQA:10 a=WX5VYMzX3baNzwTD:21 a=V8rFM87SR1-_VTOp:21 In article <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that from Ovation 2.77k (28 Jan 2009) > onwards, double-clicking in text to select a word at the beginning of > a line selects the white space of the line above as well? > I see that double-clicking a word in the middle of a line now selects > the word plus the space before it, whereas it used to select the word > plus the space after it. Not here it doesn't - works exactly as expected and as it always has. (2.77m; Virtual Acorn; RICOS OS 4.02) R. -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 11:51:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6joq-1heGPo-03-AiB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:51:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6joq-1heGPo-03-AiB; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:51:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6joq-1heGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:51:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6jon-0007lD-5n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:51:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CE22CB8EF4; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:50:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yKHNt4+ih08a; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 074EACB9019; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:50:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DC34CB84FB for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:50:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uD1ErSWKZ0zD for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20069CB9019 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-7-65-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.7.65]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MRQIm-1MiUoR3lFY-00StdZ; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:50:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Cy1QPxZSC/G8tQ+MuXtcKS5jqEJI+fVrIcxC 9aXWO+Xf9SrvdKNU+KNBXr3OWXFIn0Rc3hBvPxolKvM9xe2AeZ Jd1tFYMXZrZDGUkhm2btw== X-archive-position: 1908 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yXfxhAvniTgt3GrSXToA:9 a=1FzkBC428sTYrMCeW5oA:7 a=Q9FFfdEcVDSfLPiqMeyt5htp_K8A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=607Barn4Mb-Lud4M:21 a=IPi1-iS0j9r0ddRZ:21 In message <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> Richard Partridge wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that from Ovation 2.77k (28 Jan 2009) > onwards, double-clicking in text to select a word at the beginning of > a line selects the white space of the line above as well? No, that does not happen here in 2.77m (05-Nov-2009), RISC OS 5.14. > I see that double-clicking a word in the middle of a line now selects > the word plus the space before it, whereas it used to select the word > plus the space after it. No, that works exactly as it should here. > I also find that copying text via the global clipboard from > Easiwriter into Ovation, which used to work, now tends to drop the > text into the line above where one intended (saving it in is OK). Yes, that is happening here as well, and this is quite an annoying bug. It does not matter from which application you copy, so it is not related to EasiWriter. Also happens when copying from Zap. It works correctly when pasting into the first line of a paragraph, but when pasting into the second or any subsequent lines, the text always ends up in the previous line, not the one the caret is in. This problem only occurs when "Global clipboard" is acticated and a foreign application owns the clipboard. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 12:06:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6jtV-0t8knw-01-AdW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:06:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6jtV-0t8knw-01-AdW; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:55:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6jtV-0t8knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:55:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6jtS-0000aQ-Lb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52683CB92A4; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:55:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g+wVaWB3RWGV; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73A42CB84C3; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 06:55:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5331DCB900A for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:55:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SR8p4aTUNmBg for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0628CB84C3 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,699,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="146973110" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.85.164.147]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2009 11:55:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6016422A146 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:55:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:55:28 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1909 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NAhpUWlojzUF4cinBMoA:9 a=fDRl_dyO0P2j-SCiv0oA:7 a=ncX9Ck5UCFNqak9B31ZESRDQ5s4A:4 a=Ab3b7TqzgsFU0KIC:21 a=rN4GC0O9tLCOTwRR:21 Richard Partridge wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that from Ovation 2.77k (28 Jan 2009) onwards, > double-clicking in text to select a word at the beginning of a line > selects the white space of the line above as well? > > I see that double-clicking a word in the middle of a line now selects the > word plus the space before it, whereas it used to select the word plus the > space after it. > > I also find that copying text via the global clipboard from Easiwriter > into Ovation, which used to work, now tends to drop the text into the line > above where one intended (saving it in is OK). There's certainly been something odd in this respect for a while, although I don't know when it started. Double-clicks on the text somethimes also select the frame, which isn't useful. I'm also using RISC OS 5.14. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6mLZ-3IGVbs-08-Ghy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6mLZ-3IGVbs-08-Ghy; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:32:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6mLZ-3IGVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:32:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6mLW-0007R0-EE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:32:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F163CB9CF5; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:32:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id clR3PEJIlnH7; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBC83CB8082; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:32:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCE83CB9CC6 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:32:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6WAxUeAl83M for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F035CB8082 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091107143231.RNZG17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:32:31 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.14.48.51]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091107143231.NRPF22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:32:29 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=njc7KhFbztoA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=Iwe-_0qor17sar8-Os0A:9 a=_FPI6o_SFrjSsBPCHfQA:7 a=KOJWPsgn1TaYpqdVb0-9e5fMJxkA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 X-archive-position: 1910 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KgDZbvUKVa_Z5WK0SYMA:9 a=sVt5hFJuf2xzQFXvVTYA:7 a=JXmb0d1YxkCq3uEUnvORg_L9jd8A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn > writes >> My work round has been to open the !Words directory and double click >> on !Boot and !Run close !Words adjust double click and then load as >> normal nd it seems then to be OK . > > Where is !Words? > > It sounds like your copy of !Words is not being booted. > > By the way if you double click a folder whose names starts with ! that > will run the !Run file. ISTR that the first time a folder of a given > name is "seen" that !Boot file is run. Maybe you have an empty !Words > somewhere that is taking priority over the correct one. > > This !Words lives in the root directory [ if that is the term :-) ] of !OvnPro . When I open up !OvnPro the !Words is a buff colour . When I have opened it up and double clicked to get it going it turns green on closing . Of course the next question is how do I search for empty !Words please ? Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:46 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6mqH-2gnGPo-04-GDG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6mqH-2gnGPo-04-GDG; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:04:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6mqH-2gnGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:04:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6mqE-0006cL-Ln for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:04:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39612CB877A; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:04:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x83W7tyvNOEi; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF44CB8596; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B1D9CB8739 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aqEkWmZ9DgOO for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFAACCB8596 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:04:19 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,699,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="147002338" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.85.164.147]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2009 15:04:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D152C2F732B for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:04:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:04:09 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1911 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AcvqZeBRcssEDt6EkwUA:9 a=3mW9hZnG20HeGPxasDEA:7 a=1rzT86HGwmIDawQc0UPTWqDdOIEA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=Wohz_E2IRMLQkJS4:21 a=6xIXbGHwt60BBbNt:21 Ian A Dunn wrote: > This !Words lives in the root directory [ if that is the term :-) ] of > !OvnPro . When I open up !OvnPro the !Words is a buff colour . When I have > opened it up and double clicked to get it going it turns green on closing > . Which suggests that another copy is being seen first. After a re-boot and loading O-Pro, but *not* opening O-Pro's application directory or double-clicking on !Words, what does pressing Ctrl-F12 and typing *Show Dictionary$Dir return? > Of course the next question is how do I search for empty !Words please ? Use the Filer to search the disc for directories called "!Words". Or use the info returned from the command above. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:46 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6n3M-10LGPo-07-G0B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6n3M-10LGPo-07-G0B; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:18:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6n3M-10LGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:18:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6n3J-00002W-9a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:18:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58C2FCB86B1; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:18:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DvLjCqMeIKOE; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E533CB7218; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07C51CB6969 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tnfg2BrEP5-e for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4E90CB8403 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:17:52 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEALMe9UpUXebq/2dsb2JhbADaRIQ+BIFo Received: from relay07.plus.net (HELO fhw-relay07.plus.net) ([84.93.230.234]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2009 15:17:51 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1N6n31-0002L4-71 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:17:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:17:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems Message-ID: <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: d1f3aaf0c85b56aca51926389b2544a9 X-archive-position: 1912 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OTnFzq9k1faMfVkPb3YA:9 a=03nKFX709bqQLLOrWjkA:7 a=53H7Qu4AINMK79yLTmjgyEX4hxgA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > > > In message <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn > > writes > >> My work round has been to open the !Words directory and double > >> click on !Boot and !Run close !Words adjust double click and > >> then load as normal nd it seems then to be OK . > > > > Where is !Words? > > > > It sounds like your copy of !Words is not being booted. > > > > By the way if you double click a folder whose names starts with ! > > that will run the !Run file. ISTR that the first time a folder > > of a given name is "seen" that !Boot file is run. Maybe you have > > an empty !Words somewhere that is taking priority over the > > correct one. > > > > > This !Words lives in the root directory [ if that is the term :-) ] > of !OvnPro . When I open up !OvnPro the !Words is a buff colour . > When I have opened it up and double clicked to get it going it > turns green on closing . > Of course the next question is how do I search for empty !Words > please ? If you Shift-double click on !Words, it will open like a directory. You should see another directory within it named (surprise, surprise) Dictionary. Inside this I have !MainDict and !UserDict. These are the dictionary datafiles. Check the length of them. !MainDict should be probably well over 100kB. Mine is 217kB. !UserDict will probably be much shorter since it contains only the extra words you have added while spell checking. Mine is only 400 bytes - shows how much I use the spill chucker! The best place for !Words is in !Boot.Resources since it will then be booted automatically. If you have it in !OvnPro, then it will not be seen unless you open !OvnPro every time it is run, or you add a line into !OvnPro.Run to boot it when OPro is run. To check which !Words is active, open a task window (ctrl-F12) and enter the command show dict* and press return. You should see something like *show dict* Dictionary$Dir : ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words This will tell where the active !Words is on the hard drive. If you want to find other !Words on your drive, use the find facility in the filer menu. With the root ($) filer window open, click menu over any file. Follow File 'whatever' -> Find and enter !Words. The filer will then search and list the location of any found. A better option may be to download !Locate (by Steve Fryatt) if you haven't already got it and use that. It is much more powerful than the Filer find facility. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6ocX-34l000-07-ER0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6ocX-34l000-07-ER0; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:58:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6ocX-34l000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:58:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6ocQ-0006nO-DY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:58:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC332CB86F7; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:58:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zoiprX5MIIxi; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA05CCB8584; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95BC1CB8640 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hvQRDGvINAMP for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6489ACB8584 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091107165758.LJEY17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:57:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.14.48.51]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091107165758.SNFS21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:57:58 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:58:03 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=njc7KhFbztoA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=1gsuCiYpav6YuxRqlRUA:9 a=1LJyjyd35Fe3BvRptSsA:7 a=HXwE3lRS7YJboGTNqGT9pJBQpBEA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 X-archive-position: 1913 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Zo6-g_nq0a_LyF8fhrYA:9 a=UCFFb5zJqoL7f27QAhAA:7 a=V0YzkJcl5DS2gOJ3dERWKM0TjQQA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com>, > Ian A Dunn wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> In message <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn >>> writes >>> >>>> My work round has been to open the !Words directory and double >>>> click on !Boot and !Run close !Words adjust double click and >>>> then load as normal nd it seems then to be OK . >>>> >>> Where is !Words? >>> >>> It sounds like your copy of !Words is not being booted. >>> > snip > > If you Shift-double click on !Words, it will open like a directory. > You should see another directory within it named (surprise, surprise) > Dictionary. Inside this I have !MainDict and !UserDict. These are the > dictionary datafiles. Check the length of them. !MainDict should be > probably well over 100kB. Mine is 217kB. !UserDict will probably be > much shorter since it contains only the extra words you have added > while spell checking. Mine is only 400 bytes - shows how much I use > the spill chucker! > > The best place for !Words is in !Boot.Resources since it will then be > booted automatically. If you have it in !OvnPro, then it will not be > seen unless you open !OvnPro every time it is run, or you add a line > into !OvnPro.Run to boot it when OPro is run. > Much thanks for these suggestions . I got a bit distracted by having rediscovered !Workspace . There is indeed a !Words in Resources but it didn't contain the same dictionaries , it does now :-) If I *Show Dict* on a reboot before I do anything else the Resources !Words is returned . If I then load !OvPro which still has its own !Words in it with the same dictionaries then I get red underlining everywhere ie neither set of dictionaries appears to be picked up and *Show Dict* still returns Resources . It would appear that I need to persuade OvP to look at Resources ??? The work round isn't much hassle but ...... I rarely get into Ctrl F12 territory but this is interesting ! Thanks again Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6pDv-0T7knw-08-Dpc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6pDv-0T7knw-08-Dpc; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6pDv-0T7knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6pDr-0006Vw-FM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 826B5CB84EA; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvZW6q6brZD3; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDEC3CB7388; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 989F6CB78E7 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KZ2s7subthxb for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42304CB7388 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:36:55 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFA/9UrUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADaKYQ+BIFo Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2009 17:36:55 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1N6pDa-0004Zn-KO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:36:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems Message-ID: <50b6923a63chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: fb9019ee9fc94361cbdf1f08bbb48895 X-archive-position: 1914 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ag081WvcqVI8yEwHK-QA:9 a=Zl2X_JD1LoLetxec18oA:7 a=teDzRTAtbKo9clgg6DeZSZDNEk4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn wrote: > There is indeed a !Words in Resources but it didn't contain the > same dictionaries , it does now :-) > If I *Show Dict* on a reboot before I do anything else the > Resources !Words is returned . > If I then load !OvPro which still has its own !Words in it with the > same dictionaries then I get red underlining everywhere ie neither > set of dictionaries appears to be picked up and *Show Dict* still > returns Resources . It would appear that I need to persuade OvP to > look at Resources ??? The work round isn't much hassle but ...... I have looked in a bit more detail at OPro itself, after I realised that there is a !Words within OPro in my copy. Looking at !OvnPro.!Run, my copy has the following lines within it: | Sort out dictionaries | If ""="" Then Run ".Modules.IfExists" .!Words Then Run".!Words" Set OvationProDictionary$Path Set OvationProUserDictionary$Path If "" = "" Then Set OvationProUserDictionary$Path | What this means is that, when OPro is first run it checks the variable . If it is set and therefore points to a copy that has already been seen, then that copy is used. If there is a copy in Boot.Resources, this will have been seen, and OPro will use this. If, however, the variable has not yet been set, Opro will look inside its own application directory for a copy of !Words, and if it finds it, this copy will be used. I don't see why OPro isn't using either one. Check the !Run file in your copy of !OvnPro to make sure that the above lines are included in the !Run file (the lines above may have been split by the mail system so I have put some extra CR in to separate them by blank lines which are not necessary in the original file). OvnPro does not use the global variable directly, but uses and . After you have first run OvnPro, open a task window and do show Ovation* (the trailing * is a wildcard to match any characters) and see what it says. Mine says among several other OPro related settings OvationProDictionary$Path : ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words OvationProUserDictionary$Path : ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words which as you can see is pointing to the copy of !Words in Resources. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6pkN-3oYknw-01-DJA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6pkN-3oYknw-01-DJA; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:10:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6pkN-3oYknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:10:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6pkN-0003uV-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:10:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F290ACB9250; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDmz7bdcSCNH; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D84BACB7E81; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AF0CB7E36 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:10:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQULL9-YPaDf for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EB96CB7E30 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091107181016.NISR17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:10:16 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.14.48.51]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091107181015.UCP2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:10:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:10:16 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> <50b6923a63chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50b6923a63chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=njc7KhFbztoA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=ruALOCWFvZyrMD2ASrQA:9 a=PjGHnsNiQVmFYDdCuhLnsE7OzvQA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 X-archive-position: 1915 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ruALOCWFvZyrMD2ASrQA:9 a=bgTpGSrrKxVAR7oFmacA:7 a=7abHQ_P4zBtuBFSZJ3YnPoFp-W4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com>, > Ian A Dunn wrote: > >> There is indeed a !Words in Resources but it didn't contain the >> same dictionaries , it does now :-) >> > > >> If I *Show Dict* on a reboot before I do anything else the >> Resources !Words is returned . >> > > >> If I then load !OvPro which still has its own !Words in it with the >> same dictionaries then I get red underlining everywhere ie neither >> set of dictionaries appears to be picked up and *Show Dict* still >> returns Resources . It would appear that I need to persuade OvP to >> look at Resources ??? The work round isn't much hassle but ...... >> > > I have looked in a bit more detail at OPro itself, after I realised > that there is a !Words within OPro in my copy. > > Looking at !OvnPro.!Run, my copy has the following lines within it: > > > | Sort out dictionaries > | > If ""="" Then Run ".Modules.IfExists" > .!Words Then Run".!Words" > > Set OvationProDictionary$Path > > Set OvationProUserDictionary$Path > > If "" = "" Then Set > OvationProUserDictionary$Path > | > > > snip > > I don't see why OPro isn't using either one. > > snip as far as I can see my !Run matches yours > > show Ovation* > > (the trailing * is a wildcard to match any characters) > > and see what it says. Mine says among several other OPro related > settings > > OvationProDictionary$Path : ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words > > OvationProUserDictionary$Path : > ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words > if I just load OPro then yes this is what it says but if I type a few words it wants to check all correct or otherwise ie it doesn't appear to be looking at the dictionaries . > which as you can see is pointing to the copy of !Words in Resources. > > Chris.. if I double click on the !Words within OPro then re doing *show Ovation* returns it is low looking with OPro and it functions as expected . Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:52 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6qjP-09bVbs-07-CK8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6qjP-09bVbs-07-CK8; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:13:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6qjP-09bVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:13:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6qjM-0004ds-Jd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:13:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC25ECB920B; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:13:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4ikU4TLdSgZ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DD74CB88FE; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:13:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0E70CB7DE2 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:13:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PmNYqqM7c6sy for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A10FECB88FE for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:13:32 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAItV9UrUnw4R/2dsb2JhbADaQIQ+BIFo Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2009 19:13:31 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1N6qj5-0001bm-52 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:13:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:13:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems Message-ID: <50b69b0e9cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com> References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> <50b6923a63chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 361a27522576b1aaa1a02505e630c4c8 X-archive-position: 1916 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_guOnSdnVW6IrQw1aOIA:9 a=nQofg6tSau2z_boJZYgA:7 a=-syUx3N7ELXifKBFlIMBEHa0w0QA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn wrote: > > OvationProDictionary$Path : ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words > > > > OvationProUserDictionary$Path : > > ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words > > > if I just load OPro then yes this is what it says but if I type a > few words it wants to check all correct or otherwise ie it doesn't > appear to be looking at the dictionaries . You have checked that the !Words in Resources has dictionaries that have content. If you simply run OvnPro, and before doing any clicking on OPros own !Words, open a new blank document, and immediately menu over the blank document and click on Misc->Spellcheck->Dictionary... does the window show any dictionaries? If so, select MainDict and click Edit. Does it come up with a dictionary edit window, showing lots of words (it actually tells you how many are in the dictionary, mine says 77640 words)? > > which as you can see is pointing to the copy of !Words in > > Resources. > > > if I double click on the !Words within OPro then re doing *show > Ovation* returns it is low looking with OPro and it functions as > expected . I don't follow how OPro picks up this one after OPro has been started. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6t3p-18VGPo-07-9zi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6t3p-18VGPo-07-9zi; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:43:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6t3p-18VGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:43:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6t3h-0007QO-RO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:43:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73A66CB8883; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cqi1v0j1R1iv; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EB8BCB8843; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:42:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29143CB8854 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:42:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YBrA5BVa4vZv for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9358CCB8843 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091107214237.ROIE17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:42:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.14.48.51]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091107214237.ULSX21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:42:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4AF5E9CF.9080105@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:42:39 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> <50b6923a63chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com> <50b69b0e9cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50b69b0e9cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=njc7KhFbztoA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=u1IiYHyySKezBEs5wJMA:9 a=6kZcOLIDwS9S3QAvMkkA:7 a=kpe-o22XkCS4f3hbcxDGIHjqyyQA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=_VVOp18GoCiUvkns:21 a=ORD8AbOKY0qJFkHd:21 X-archive-position: 1917 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=u1IiYHyySKezBEs5wJMA:9 a=6XxHkuU3ijzUMCM3ODEA:7 a=xc_Qb4p4fV9xxn2caWe-sTR8UjsA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=kKtKcigua4rt9VEw:21 a=a5edUUXhzuAs8lGX:21 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com>, > Ian A Dunn wrote: > >>> OvationProDictionary$Path : ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words >>> >>> OvationProUserDictionary$Path : >>> ADFS::Somerset.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Words >>> >>> >> if I just load OPro then yes this is what it says but if I type a >> few words it wants to check all correct or otherwise ie it doesn't >> appear to be looking at the dictionaries . >> > > You have checked that the !Words in Resources has dictionaries that > have content. If you simply run OvnPro, and before doing any clicking > on OPros own !Words, open a new blank document, and immediately menu > over the blank document and click on Misc->Spellcheck->Dictionary... > does the window show any dictionaries? If so, select MainDict and > click Edit. Does it come up with a dictionary edit window, showing > lots of words (it actually tells you how many are in the dictionary, > mine says 77640 words)? > > You have hit the nail on the head . The dictionaries in Boot were not as I thought replete with words . Deleting them and restoring from the backed up copy of Dictionary that had been in OPro seems to resolved the problem . Thank you indeed . > > I don't follow how OPro picks up this one after OPro has been started. > > Chris... > Of course it doesn't . I neglected to mentioned that this clicking on !Words was done as part of a reload . Ta Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6u3V-0VWknw-02-902.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6u3V-0VWknw-02-902; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:46:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6u3V-0VWknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:46:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6u3R-0007CW-JI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:46:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8614CB89FB; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xPVWAEstmISd; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4C88CB7F4A; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:46:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2754CB8970 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:46:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X+J4pJykERG7 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FD29CB7F4A for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:46:26 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAO6H9UrUnw4R/2dsb2JhbADaL4Q+BIFo Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2009 22:46:26 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1N6u37-0001Qv-Sx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:46:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:45:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spell checking problems Message-ID: <50b6ae8542chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF5E9CF.9080105@ntlworld.com> References: <4AF3172E.3050501@ntlworld.com> <4AF584FD.3020102@ntlworld.com> <50b685792cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5A71B.4010602@ntlworld.com> <50b6923a63chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5B808.2020709@ntlworld.com> <50b69b0e9cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4AF5E9CF.9080105@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 7b5ae771a625564493b91f089f3ab497 X-archive-position: 1918 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3DK8K8EQ6pEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qkvz8dXlVuJgOGHDY5cA:9 a=PxFjC9rqgrMXSKM9ssoA:7 a=JhNkQUnf5bsi3uxAnR7ElDhDvxYA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article <4AF5E9CF.9080105@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn wrote: > Thank you indeed . Glad we got there in the end. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 7 23:26:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6ug0-3Tv000-01-Gu3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:26:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6ug0-3Tv000-01-Gu3; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:26:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6ug0-3Tv000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:26:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6ufv-0001p3-F0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:26:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D2BDCB8E82; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:26:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pv9aLxwc9dDb; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E5EDCB7470; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:26:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EBEFCB8591 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:26:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tlg2kNRqK+uM for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA9B0CB7470 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N6ufc-0001ZE-ee for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:26:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:07:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1919 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bZUCCNgYphkS5IOo1hsA:9 a=1GTa5F2fWLw8BsmSYZsA:7 a=9bjzdlcJ79Ucevg1dUwHZdA4h6wA:4 a=Oco9QqQmHbpXV_-P:21 a=1-4BYvEhgag3-CqK:21 In message <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge writes >Has anyone else noticed that from Ovation 2.77k (28 Jan 2009) >onwards, double-clicking in text to select a word at the beginning of >a line selects the white space of the line above as well? I can't see that happen. >I see that double-clicking a word in the middle of a line now selects >the word plus the space before it, whereas it used to select the word >plus the space after it. Or that. An example document might help. >I also find that copying text via the global clipboard from >Easiwriter into Ovation, which used to work, now tends to drop the >text into the line above where one intended (saving it in is OK). There's a long running problem, something like, from a programming point of view the clipboard protocol works in the same way as dropping one file into another, so I implemented it by calculating a pretend position where the "file" would be dropped into text and sometimes that position is not correct. Anyway I've now had ten minutes sat in front of my Iyonix feeling sad - enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 11:14:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N6vsR-49O000-07-Fhc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N6vsR-49O000-07-Fhc; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:43:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N6vsR-49O000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:43:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N6vsP-0004IK-4W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:43:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37863CB86EA; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:43:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IHSFME1L1t1h; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C340CB68E3; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3627CCB7939 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w5vRhc8Bwn7c for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61738CB68E3 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8401 invoked by uid 89); 8 Nov 2009 00:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 8 Nov 2009 00:43:05 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:46:28 +0800 Message-ID: <3f93b9b650.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1920 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=i6rliq5Jc7s1nx4rhuQA:9 a=8RohREl0JQwJjSHtzXgA:7 a=-3qZ-PkWeIxgHNxkq6JaJQYGVt0A:4 a=BAEc7Qqzf6dXm7qS:21 a=S2R4C8jXvwQ3zKXk:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge > writes SNIP > Anyway I've now had ten minutes sat in front of my Iyonix feeling sad - > enough. There is enough sadness in the world already David so cheer up! I for one, and my wife also, appreciate the tremendous effort you expend and the brilliant work you produce. We couldn't do without OP. Regards Ross -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 11:14:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N71iW-1hvGPo-07-9rX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N71iW-1hvGPo-07-9rX; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:57:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N71iW-1hvGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:57:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N71iS-0007K9-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:57:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E41A3CB8A18; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uQm3wXCieY9d; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1BB6CB84E0; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:57:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7C4ACB84AF for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:57:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJF3KhO5uDeM for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5872BCB84E0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091108065718.UMY27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:57:18 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091108065717.VUBI21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:57:17 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:59:58 GMT Message-ID: <57c5dbb650.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H7Y6Pf2DlSMA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=zB_vQ3S2RYbgr9qyHt8A:9 a=FUGQ4WL-MCQogE0SohEA:7 a=7CWMcbJHkz22SLiVnx5g8U3P_mMA:4 a=MyyHi1A1UjhaSHKf:21 a=adfG6T1vIDxJTEqa:21 X-archive-position: 1921 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zB_vQ3S2RYbgr9qyHt8A:9 a=PdWplpROldPit4PJgJoA:7 a=e4-NxWBhSNVLP5DLaOWY5Jj1Z40A:4 a=LjcULZn459SyTQQt:21 a=T52cPDiM3RViBpcC:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge > writes >>Has anyone else noticed that from Ovation 2.77k (28 Jan 2009) >>onwards, double-clicking in text to select a word at the beginning of >>a line selects the white space of the line above as well? > I can't see that happen. >>I see that double-clicking a word in the middle of a line now selects >>the word plus the space before it, whereas it used to select the word >>plus the space after it. > Or that. > An example document might help. >>I also find that copying text via the global clipboard from >>Easiwriter into Ovation, which used to work, now tends to drop the >>text into the line above where one intended (saving it in is OK). > There's a long running problem, something like, from a programming point > of view the clipboard protocol works in the same way as dropping one > file into another, so I implemented it by calculating a pretend position > where the "file" would be dropped into text and sometimes that position > is not correct. > Anyway I've now had ten minutes sat in front of my Iyonix feeling sad - > enough. Well I for one won't have that. Opro is one of the finest program of its type every written. I run it on the Iyonix and my PC and it is so easy to use, it converts the Opro to PC effortless, it converts my old Impression, (some very complicated) files again without any real problems. David has always, and I stress always been there when I have been thick enough not to understand a problem. He has received from me 240 page manuscripts and corrected my mistakes. No fee no fuss. BRAVO! You, David, have no need to be sad about this sort of thing. We are so grateful for you abundant kindness. Blessings Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 11:14:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N721g-2RpGPo-07-9YN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N721g-2RpGPo-07-9YN; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:17:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N721g-2RpGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:17:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N721e-0007kP-Ks for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:17:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 055D1CB86F1; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:17:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SDeBIsJnNOET; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2298DCB7FFB; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00558CB8487 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MBK-4zMYwb-r for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A404DCB7FFB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.139.20]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA87H6ER007240 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 07:17:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:15:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro double-click oddity Message-ID: <50b6dd398cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57c5dbb650.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> <57c5dbb650.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1922 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Eintu5T7MgwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bEGqALk4f3vsUbawieAA:9 a=9Pl3eQs2VNJ2CyRXoRkA:7 a=QkSzW3KxebYb4PDQ_TEQZewAxdYA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=hdGUlhVPckH1N01a:21 a=WXmYIAtRR-_oqR63:21 In article <57c5dbb650.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > > Anyway I've now had ten minutes sat in front of my Iyonix feeling sad - > > enough. > Well I for one won't have that. Opro is one of the finest program of > its type every written. I run it on the Iyonix and my PC and it is so > easy to use, it converts the Opro to PC effortless, it converts my old > Impression, (some very complicated) files again without any real > problems. David has always, and I stress always been there when I have > been thick enough not to understand a problem. He has received from me > 240 page manuscripts and corrected my mistakes. No fee no fuss. BRAVO! > You, David, have no need to be sad about this sort of thing. We are so > grateful for you abundant kindness. > Blessings > Alan Indeedy, a most excellent application which I also use on both RISC OS and MS-Windows. So I would also offer my thanks for the product and for the Gentleman who produced it. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 11:14:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N74YM-1PeVbs-02-FYD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N74YM-1PeVbs-02-FYD; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:59:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N74YM-1PeVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:59:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N74YI-0003xM-92 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:59:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65873CB8BDB; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:59:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4UPGo4Gc9uX6; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A37FCB8BA6; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:59:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 634B4CB8C09 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:59:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bOnkzEfTbUlk for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx9.orcon.net.nz (mx9.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.59]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17441CB8BDB for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 04:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx9.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N74Xy-0005vu-5t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:58:58 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx9.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N74Xx-0005vb-SU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:58:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:58:39 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro and fonts used Message-ID: <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx9.orcon.net.nz on Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:58:58 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Nov 8 22:58:58 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6873 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1923 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=19dHoM2FJDsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PD4DL2QDsSiLHAYddXAA:9 a=w-2CF5k4hLCivSjdGREA:7 a=MCdiwzyIjhgnxHZXm_JVo0_U4rIA:4 I've recently installed !FontList to OvPro to check the fonts used in a document that isn't printing to PS3 and there are certainly some fonts that I don't (actively) use in the document. Does FontList list fonts in embedded Draw and Artworks files too? How might I get rid of 'unused' fonts? Is there a way to search for them? Is it a silly and futile task anyway? regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 11:14:10 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N753t-0afVbs-04-F2g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N753t-0afVbs-04-F2g; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:31:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N753t-0afVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:31:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N753q-0002Lu-VB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:31:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA9C2CB8C78; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:31:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSP6+Yq-1e-q; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC2A0CB8A76; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:31:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB07ECB8AF0 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:31:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5inhh6ZpUzTv for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62EF6CB8A76 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so416292ewy.34 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.24 with SMTP id t24mr1766231ebb.16.1257676297727; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac3347e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3248895eyf.7.2009.11.08.02.31.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:31:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and fonts used From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:31:23 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <17F54EE6-7298-4FB0-A9B8-BCE859F74886@ed.ac.uk> References: <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1924 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sMNHKya6u1kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hp9efUoXUhftDZUKckYA:9 a=ZXyU-Ak_vorbFsg7fYMA:7 a=uz65a2KFxkz5v6TMjPBfLe-OBX4A:4 On 8 Nov 2009, at 09:58, Robert Greenfield wrote: > I've recently installed !FontList to OvPro to check the fonts used > in a > document that isn't printing to PS3 and there are certainly some fonts > that I don't (actively) use in the document. > > Does FontList list fonts in embedded Draw and Artworks files too? > > How might I get rid of 'unused' fonts? Is there a way to search for > them? > Is it a silly and futile task anyway? Save the file as DDL and edit it ... ? ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 13:44:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N77w5-27sGPo-08-CAU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:44:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N77w5-27sGPo-08-CAU; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:36:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N77w5-27sGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:36:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N77w3-0005gK-7i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:36:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63CC5CB7144; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:36:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QWLNFUFzT08M; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FE97CB6989; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 186F1CB69F4 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qigK5S2UWXi7 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6DDACB6989 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N77vl-0001BU-iH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:35:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:34:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and fonts used References: <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1925 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sMNHKya6u1kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3pGujbcAkXsUyvT4zZMA:9 a=XlPTXtDNjNaaS1eZI5EA:7 a=gIqbJhpqOyc06GxUUNFbzmk59FoA:4 a=_9uJqoLx9rGUEth-:21 a=8IqsDME8SjA4FxwO:21 In message <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >I've recently installed !FontList to OvPro to check the fonts used in a >document that isn't printing to PS3 and there are certainly some fonts >that I don't (actively) use in the document. There is a bug, or probably several which result in OP counting font use incorrectly. I think a save as DDL, reload should reset those counts. Over at Windows, if a document complains of missing fonts on loading any font references which actually are not used are removed once you get past the warning. I don't think OP documents count font use in graphics files, but there is a setting in choices which makes it check on loading documents for missing fonts in graphics. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 8 13:59:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N788j-2k0GPo-08-Bxq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:59:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N788j-2k0GPo-08-Bxq; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:49:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N788j-2k0GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:49:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N788f-0002vZ-77 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:49:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BFF4CB8E3E; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KyBm9zRv00bg; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52999CB8E3B; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:48:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F07BCB8E2F for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:48:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id naF9TOYlB-0w for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4B95C66D88 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-210-47.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.47]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nA8Dmjpe022253 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:48:46 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and fonts used To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:48:34 GMT Message-ID: References: <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1926 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sMNHKya6u1kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sAIXSm5yqNvwKWU5K_oA:9 a=TjVvlqf83efqQosMCRYA:7 a=fYoVzyDbdYcedXDyZ7QWnp7FhJQA:4 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=U2nWUe3WA79NMEHd:21 a=IBAK5RCO0KKveCLX:21 On 8 Nov 2009 David Pilling wrote: > In message <50b6ec2128theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes >>I've recently installed !FontList to OvPro to check the fonts used in a >>document that isn't printing to PS3 and there are certainly some fonts >>that I don't (actively) use in the document. > There is a bug, or probably several which result in OP counting font use > incorrectly. I think a save as DDL, reload should reset those counts. Just tried that on a file with superfluous fonts, and I can confirm that it does work. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 9 19:42:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7a5B-1yI000-01-9aw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:42:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7a5B-1yI000-01-9aw; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:39:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7a5B-1yI000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:39:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7a51-0000AL-I5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:39:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69469BE6033; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OlmNNf3qh61x; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96D2FCBA3F7; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:05:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B704CBA3F9 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b-8nEYqvfXvS for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 785C2CBA3F7 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscube (88-202-195-69.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.195.69]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nA9J4Nbs026578 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:04:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rod a To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:02:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Trinity font problem Message-ID: <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1927 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rod@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=d1RNusKy3pM_RtuLJfwA:9 a=KrrZbE8UC7mswJcboN8A:7 a=JysQAoVx1G1DDxyCun7oY7J0ODIA:4 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 I am having a problen with Trinity font on OvPro. If I mark some 'normal' text and then try to italicise it, the text turns into small capitals. This does not seem to happen if I try to italicise bold text. It does not happen with other fonts eg Homerton. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 9 21:57:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7c0y-2VPVbs-06-GBf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:57:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7c0y-2VPVbs-06-GBf; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:43:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7c0y-2VPVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:43:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7c0t-0007kO-7S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:43:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD98DCB8C83; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aAhzzQB5-P1f; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D23B2CB64C6; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:42:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77EB1CB6E1E for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4zhDC1INwEJa for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9B6ACB64C6 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:42 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,709,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="147503628" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.85.164.147]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2009 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961A5266BBC for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:42:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:42:39 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1928 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zJDCr9Bosc8daxVOEAwA:9 a=u6ETsvGLq_VQSiRiHX8A:7 a=G6t7eusNlfkmhWOGtP5JiUidh68A:4 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=eZYfDCwI27pQAQeI:21 a=cbm8yjag7QWAWD1f:21 rod a wrote: > I am having a problen with Trinity font on OvPro. If I mark some 'normal' > text and then try to italicise it, the text turns into small capitals. > This does not seem to happen if I try to italicise bold text. You have a Trinity SmallCaps family member installed. Once you deviate from basic four-face families of fonts, the Bold and Italic switches become unreliable. Don't use them: select the face you require explicity from the font menu (or define a style to do what you need). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 11:11:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7dCt-3zPknw-03-Ezk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:11:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7dCt-3zPknw-03-Ezk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:59:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7dCt-3zPknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:59:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7dCr-0006jz-5I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:59:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16392CBA13E; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:59:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VPRk9vNsqyRU; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 209F9CBA11C; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:59:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1497CBA12B for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:59:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I7wQK0NPWoav for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F153CBA11C for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N7dCZ-0002MY-os for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:59:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:58:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1929 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ySCeRFBZjaYbIpx-ZZcA:9 a=XfMRPxROl5w2nRYRh-wA:7 a=19oKlh8aJsT6R-R6pIfgyXXDwtgA:4 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=D-PUoZT7a1h3ESp4:21 a=cMLuCMoaE79N975T:21 This message is forwarded from charlesashmead because it was sent from a non-subscribed address. On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: > rod a wrote: > > I am having a problen with Trinity font on > > OvPro. If I mark some 'normal' text and then > > try to italicise it, the text turns into > > small capitals. This does not seem to happen > > if I try to italicise bold text. > You have a Trinity SmallCaps family member > installed. > Once you deviate from basic four-face families > of fonts, the Bold and Italic switches become > unreliable. Don't use them: select the face > you require explicity from the font menu (or > define a style to do what you need). Hmm. I haven't installed any fonts - these are what came with Virtual RiscPC. I have never had this problem on previous machines. The only place I can find any fonts is (from memory- I am writing on a different machine) in !Boot. Resources. The Trinity font does have a small capitals file. Should I simply delete the ones called small caps? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 11:11:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7eTg-2Wr000-01-Dix.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:11:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7eTg-2Wr000-01-Dix; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:20:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7eTg-2Wr000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:20:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7eTd-0003OK-UD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:20:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7DB5CB8D9B; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:20:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pdm3VBKOlcUs; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA52BCB851B; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFB5DCB8529 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TrtODmSYGMIM for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DF44CB851B for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:20:35 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,711,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="147523939" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.85.164.147]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 00:20:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385F7266BC1 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:10:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:10:49 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.50 (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1930 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-mSe4tdjpVT8OkIMojcA:9 a=8mGmJfj7gvKoUB74sIIA:7 a=4ZvcvOjDAiyRBG53f_jb_YHncsYA:4 a=rjPChp0RpFJHL_K_:21 a=K5nHn7ySQUrjF2t8:21 David Pilling wrote: > On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > You have a Trinity SmallCaps family member installed. > > > Once you deviate from basic four-face families of fonts, the Bold and > > Italic switches become unreliable. Don't use them: select the face you > > require explicity from the font menu (or define a style to do what you > > need). > > Hmm. I haven't installed any fonts - these are what came with Virtual > RiscPC. Has the problem always been present on the VRPC machine? > I have never had this problem on previous machines. The only place > I can find any fonts is (from memory- I am writing on a different machine) > in !Boot. Resources. The Trinity font does have a small capitals file. Well, that's it. > Should I simply delete the ones called small caps? A bit drastic. What's wrong with selecting the required face explicitly? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 11:26:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7ont-3FZknw-03-BvG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:26:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7ont-3FZknw-03-BvG; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:22:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7ont-3FZknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:22:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7ono-0001wE-FN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:22:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BCD8CB9EC7; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nhZjVzr-nfBI; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AEFECB7838; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DED0ECB99FA for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZsr5DHGPMgM for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EE99CB7838 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscube (88-202-195-69.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.195.69]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id nAABM51J032704 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:22:06 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rod a To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:22:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem Message-ID: <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1931 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rod@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3RIIWaWvw9OGe3xSokwA:9 a=eqvG4YFe9sLaCSxk8iMA:7 a=eWozsIgiHO7egjRNs1mPrSkhSjAA:4 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 On 10 Nov, Steve Fryatt --- various bits snipped --- > > > > Hmm. I haven't installed any fonts - these > > are what came with Virtual RiscPC. > Has the problem always been present on the VRPC > machine? I think it must have been but I only discovered it this week. I bought the VRPC so as to back up material and have an immediate replacement if other machine(s) fail. > > I have never had this problem on previous > > machines. The only place I can find any fonts > > is (from memory- I am writing on a different > > machine) in !Boot. Resources. The Trinity > > font does have a small capitals file. > Well, that's it. > > Should I simply delete the ones called small > > caps? > A bit drastic. What's wrong with selecting the > required face explicitly? Probably laziness! I have just tried using styles and defining Italic / SmallCaps / Italic Small Caps and, of course, it works OK. I also tried using the OVPro produced small caps - and they are different from the purpose built ones! (smaller). In fact I seldom use small caps anyway. I had wondered whether it might be possible to rename one or more faces of this one font so that OvPro chose the`correct face when I press the Italics button. But, I have just thought that I can get over all the problems by defining a different font (with serifs) as the "start-up" font in OvPro. Anyway, thank you for your advice. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 12:11:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7pYi-0qUGPo-03-BAR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:11:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7pYi-0qUGPo-03-BAR; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:10:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7pYi-0qUGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:10:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7pYc-0004m8-BC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:10:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52127CB937D; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lijb7hfZmT27; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4830BCB8F17; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EA70CB88B9 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id enWwa4jkS5T9 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A43C7CB7C49 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so4574409bwz.26 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.5.75 with SMTP id 11mr830bku.20.1257855026381; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac334c0.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm189950bwz.0.2009.11.10.04.10.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:10:25 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:10:10 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <50b62eadferkp@par.me.uk> <50b7a1bd32rod@argonet.co.uk> <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1932 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TOMelI48UVWdSSlURtoA:9 a=h4uhxx0YmSdzbOaOiS4A:7 a=XTudmQln09uP2E3XkjpkwK4ymVcA:4 On 10 Nov 2009, at 11:22, rod a wrote: > On 10 Nov, Steve Fryatt > > --- various bits snipped --- >>> >>> Hmm. I haven't installed any fonts - these >>> are what came with Virtual RiscPC. > >> Has the problem always been present on the VRPC >> machine? > I think it must have been but I only discovered > it this week. I bought the VRPC so as to back > up material and have an immediate replacement > if other machine(s) fail. > > I have just tried using styles and defining > Italic / SmallCaps / Italic Small Caps > and, of course, it works OK. > I also tried using the OVPro produced > small caps - and they are different from > the purpose built ones! (smaller). > In fact I seldom use small caps anyway. SmallCaps size can be adjusted in OvPro via Document>Preferences I think the default is 66% ... compared to MSWORD, which ISTR is 75%. ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 13:41:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7qoy-3IOknw-03-9uB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:41:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7qoy-3IOknw-03-9uB; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:31:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7qoy-3IOknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:31:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7qos-0002pX-QO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:31:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7466CCBA187; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:31:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E+avs7nzFhHS; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72717CBA04D; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D52ACBA166 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3QJLek2LZpkl for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B10DFCBA10A for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N7qno-0004zl-Zm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:30:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:30:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem Message-ID: <50b8073113peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1352C0B0-8865-4DF3-A3F5-29FF7192436A@knuckle.tv> <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1933 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lTjQF-5Nju-KwVA0lk4A:9 a=e-zOVkLSR5GkN5s-kSkA:7 a=CnurvD13vCJn3H7JJSwjyF1rEU8A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 In article , Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 10 Nov 2009, at 11:22, rod a wrote: > > I also tried using the OVPro produced small caps - and they > > are different from the purpose built ones! (smaller). The purpose of 'purpose-built' small caps is to be (roughly) the same height as the x-height of lower-case letters, and to harmonise with the full-size capitals and lower case by having thick strokes, hairlines and (where applicable) serifs of the same weight. By scaling-down normal capitals by two thirds or three quarters, the stroke weigths are reduced along with everything else, and the resulting fake small caps look comparatively light on the page. Furthermore, as with any letters designed to be used at smaller sizes, horozontal proportions and inter-character spacing of small caps are usually a little more generous, otherwise the eye tends to perceive them as narrow and tighter than they are. Thus purpose-built small caps are infinitely better than fake ones. > SmallCaps size can be adjusted in OvPro via > Document>Preferences I think the default is 66% ... compared > to MSWORD, which ISTR is 75%. The ideal scale factor would vary from font to font, because each has a different ratio of x-height to capital height. For Trinity (Times) it would be 67.7%, for Homerton (Helvetica) 72.1%. But better too large than too small, on grounds of stroke weight. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 21:11:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7xne-3PrVbs-06-BS1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:11:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7xne-3PrVbs-06-BS1; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:58:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7xne-3PrVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:58:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7xna-0007nV-MW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:58:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54A49CB9B3E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AzhUacb6OiZq; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21C96CB9E8D; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2EA0CB9AB4 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qmETXcnZptny for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f206.google.com (mail-ew0-f206.google.com [209.85.219.206]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B0CCB9FAC for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so463886ewy.34 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.110.132 with SMTP id n4mr614765ebp.88.1257886705912; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.3? (5ac334c0.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2563326eya.28.2009.11.10.12.58.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:58:24 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <50b8073113peter@newble.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:58:08 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk> References: <1352C0B0-8865-4DF3-A3F5-29FF7192436A@knuckle.tv> <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> <50b8073113peter@newble.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1934 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XMmgq884-9vHMEdH7ksA:9 a=5V2WJOfgHmOnUJE9TzoA:7 a=EKaQbO2I2AmP9B01dtgzF_pJ7-MA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 10 Nov 2009, at 13:30, Peter Newble wrote: > In article , > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> On 10 Nov 2009, at 11:22, rod a wrote: >>> I also tried using the OVPro produced small caps - and they >>> are different from the purpose built ones! (smaller). > > The purpose of 'purpose-built' small caps is to be (roughly) the > same height as the x-height of lower-case letters, and to > harmonise with the full-size capitals and lower case by having > thick strokes, hairlines and (where applicable) serifs of the > same weight. By scaling-down normal capitals by two thirds or > three quarters, the stroke weigths are reduced along with > everything else, and the resulting fake small caps look > comparatively light on the page. Furthermore, as with any letters > designed to be used at smaller sizes, horozontal proportions and > inter-character spacing of small caps are usually a little more > generous, otherwise the eye tends to perceive them as narrow and > tighter than they are. Thus purpose-built small caps are > infinitely better than fake ones. > >> SmallCaps size can be adjusted in OvPro via >> Document>Preferences I think the default is 66% ... compared >> to MSWORD, which ISTR is 75%. > > The ideal scale factor would vary from font to font, because each > has a different ratio of x-height to capital height. For Trinity > (Times) it would be 67.7%, for Homerton (Helvetica) 72.1%. But > better too large than too small, on grounds of stroke weight. All very interesting ... I hadn't realised there are purpose-built small caps fonts. When was the Trinity small caps font introduced in VRPC - it's not present in either of the two copies (PC and Mac) that I own? ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 10 21:41:23 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N7yO4-4emVbs-01-Arb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:41:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N7yO4-4emVbs-01-Arb; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:36:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N7yO4-4emVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:36:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N7yO2-0007cE-1t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:36:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02C7DCB7FA0; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vjjm8ZsGwFZg; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D2A4CB7890; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE59CCB7E6B for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23XJnC9sKubo for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A74CECB7890 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N7yNj-0002WY-YV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:36:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:34:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem References: <1352C0B0-8865-4DF3-A3F5-29FF7192436A@knuckle.tv> <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> <50b8073113peter@newble.com> <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1935 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=3LZNQHwyqduqOxJY_3cA:7 a=O_2O6ryInHzzbUWrlYBFH9k2T8QA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=znZUw-EVf1mKBYfP:21 a=vU6QlW9dd3SLPQyb:21 In message <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >All very interesting ... I hadn't realised there are purpose-built >small caps fonts. When was the Trinity small caps font introduced in >VRPC - it's not The phrase "expert sets" springs to mind, there are other special versions of fonts. Am I right in thinking that these days the extra glyphs are available in Unicode fonts at different code points. We used to talk about making OP use these fonts automatically. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 11 00:16:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N80rJ-3sPVbs-01-Gus.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N80rJ-3sPVbs-01-Gus; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:14:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N80rJ-3sPVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:14:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N80rF-00002W-K9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:14:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEAE6CB9B8C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tyQ2QmJmIkEd; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5339CB8746; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DA10CB8DB7 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qGTB81y7SyRf for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF62CB8746 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (77-21-15-152-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.15.152]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MUTQ3-1MhRXl0myR-00QiDx; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:14:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:15:56 +0100 Message-ID: <9e4942b850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <1352C0B0-8865-4DF3-A3F5-29FF7192436A@knuckle.tv> <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> <50b8073113peter@newble.com> <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19nDWBeKQ/KDgv5H8nzfJuYgh4IsARMTaShbE4 mMbXjWio8rWze6f1u5hNrVDu6CWlL7zepZBff8peCr0c6LrS6W QQqLNe0fzHH1wFoPMV7Lw== X-archive-position: 1936 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AZykxhVEdd254u-bPy4A:9 a=Cn6AT8E7znuLb17Ag2AA:7 a=ZHe_eQ5I_l45oYCFOXfS2VxvrUMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=98Lh2jfaXWesXZNt:21 a=5hOHxqUKEcw605tB:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk>, Clive > Bonsall writes >>All very interesting ... I hadn't realised there are purpose-built >>small caps fonts. When was the Trinity small caps font introduced in >>VRPC - it's not > The phrase "expert sets" springs to mind, there are other special > versions of fonts. Am I right in thinking that these days the extra > glyphs are available in Unicode fonts at different code points. Yes, as far as ligatures are concerned, but that does not happen for small caps, otherwise you could not switch between normal characters and small caps easily - you would have to retype your text rather than just apply a different font. After all, logically, a small caps "a" is still a lowercase "a", just rendered in a different design. Unicode does actually have a few "small caps" characters defined, but it is not even the full alphabet and they are for use in phonetics, not for typesetting. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 11 11:31:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N83QE-2Avknw-06-ELx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:31:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N83QE-2Avknw-06-ELx; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:59:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N83QE-2Avknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:59:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N83Q7-0002ul-Sz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:59:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE976CBA349; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vuiJVQl6L+AK; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2204CB861E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70FE9CBA33B for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfupxeX8b-3t for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3FEFCB861E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N83Pm-0005Rz-e9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:58:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Trinity font problem Message-ID: <50b8512c78peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <9e4942b850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <1352C0B0-8865-4DF3-A3F5-29FF7192436A@knuckle.tv> <50b7fb80cerod@argonet.co.uk> <50b8073113peter@newble.com> <3BC5ED7A-B3E0-42C2-B4F4-0226889BA5AB@ed.ac.uk> <9e4942b850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1937 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-k8OHZtNjQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eIG3c3MAAHzLT1JKYVYA:9 a=TSjzZuQPZIWOkBzDxwwA:7 a=29xcR1I39FPzXNq3yDq82j06h4QA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=ytNgrDjvsohNh6Ni:21 a=mzIenD2ciE0bfjPs:21 In article <9e4942b850.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message David > Pilling wrote: > > The phrase "expert sets" springs to mind, there are other > > special versions of fonts. Am I right in thinking that these > > days the extra glyphs are available in Unicode fonts at > > different code points. > Yes, as far as ligatures are concerned, but that does not > happen for small caps It does, just not in a standard place (see below). > otherwise you could not switch between normal characters and > small caps easily - you would have to retype your text rather > than just apply a different font. (or use either a calculation or a lookup table to translate the character codes, as must be done when swapping between upper and lower case) > After all, logically, a small caps "a" is still a lowercase > "a", just rendered in a different design. 'Logically' only in the sense that small caps happen to take the code positions of lower case in 8-bit symbol fonts ('expert sets', and 'small caps' fonts consisting of caps and small caps instead of caps and lower case) but that's only because the PostScript 'nuclear family' of four fonts -- roman and italic, bold and bold italic -- each with 223 usable codes and containing two 26-letter alphabets and a limited range of accented characters and symbols, doesn't allow space for them anywhere else. > Unicode does actually have a few "small caps" characters > defined, but it is not even the full alphabet and they are > for use in phonetics, not for typesetting. My technical knowledge of Unicode, and Type 1 and Opentype fonts, is shamefully sketchy, but I suppose this explains why small caps are amongst those glyphs banished to the private use area of fonts, and don't have standardised codes or Postscript names (e.g. 'eacute.sc', 'eacute.small' or 'Eacute.small' for the same character, depending on the type foundry). For languages using the Latin alphabet, at least, a well designed font provides many characters, not just small caps but a wide variety of ligatures, figures, alternative versions of letters, etc., for which Unicode does not allow. It fulfils its purpose of allowing all(?) world languages to be written using a single coding system, but it seems that problems remain for the subtleties of typesetting. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 12 21:41:42 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N8hFA-45Oknw-06-8d5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:41:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N8hFA-45Oknw-06-8d5; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N8hFA-45Oknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N8hF3-0004F9-IS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:30:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0159CBA7ED; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yTG8SDL2nkvQ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 816CACBA7EA; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57519CBA7EE for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oI74fNn0Cbx9 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05D9BCBA7EA for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so1154963eyw.22 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.88 with SMTP id q24mr929824ebb.13.1258061381779; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.7? (5acadce6.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1030467eyf.0.2009.11.12.13.29.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and Windows 7 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:29:20 +0000 Message-Id: To: David Pilling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1938 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N6aAHJkGQ-kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8i25FBYWfH7c80hO-jYA:9 a=mRLoWiTDa0AU5Zl2O40A:7 a=EPUgLnlqTXootEyF_3pwWfMKnL4A:4 Under WinXP whenever I saved a new default document or macros file, they would be stored in the following location: C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro Where do I find them in Windows 7 / Vista? ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 12 21:41:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N8hPQ-08rVbs-06-GzL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:41:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N8hPQ-08rVbs-06-GzL; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N8hPQ-08rVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N8hPM-0005Us-SX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7FC0CB93C4; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPw45lLS6NHv; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A608ECB8528; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70BA4CB93C4 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jhXZSjPAUmjI for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02818CB8528 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.177.183]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nACLeTRH011304 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:40:29 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:40:31 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1939 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lLOKHCZfu_kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=0IKMznY6T1tIXv01RDsA:9 a=VedSzWDh1TLklTFj9eMA:7 a=9YJrG7gz5Iqk6HtSXgb9tAMZCzEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=wOHzTpksfPkFmbxN:21 a=Nwc1bwwNdAiurCvT:21 In message Clive Bonsall wrote: > Under WinXP whenever I saved a new default document or macros file, > they would be stored in the following location: > C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro > Where do I find them in Windows 7 / Vista? > ========================================== > C.B. > ========================================== C:\Documents and Settings\User has been replaced by C:\Users\User so you could try there. > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 12 21:56:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N8hd0-0TfVbs-04-Gll.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:56:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N8hd0-0TfVbs-04-Gll; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:54:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N8hd0-0TfVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:54:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N8hcy-0006dJ-KD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:54:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70E97CBA5D9; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pRDY+Jd0sgtM; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7437CB93CA; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD9E7CBA671 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MHA-KBx0bs12 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 481A3CBA63B for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so1164709eyw.22 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.103.210 with SMTP id l18mr2770061ebo.71.1258062870678; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.7? (5acadce6.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm172015eyx.45.2009.11.12.13.54.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:54:30 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:54:12 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1940 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lLOKHCZfu_kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kTxF60Yq_nTLA9Z3nrMA:9 a=udJvEWrNV2njEWuDsE8A:7 a=MvfLpFQkMwS8a2UVB_152b89wyMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 On 12 Nov 2009, at 21:40, Alan Adams wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Under WinXP whenever I saved a new default document or macros file, >> they would be stored in the following location: >> C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\DavidPilling >> \OvationPro > >> Where do I find them in Windows 7 / Vista? > C:\Documents and Settings\User > > has been replaced by > > C:\Users\User > > so you could try there. Got it, thanks. Just didn't have view hidden folders switched on. ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 13 20:28:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N92iV-1pNGPo-07-CjI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:28:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N92iV-1pNGPo-07-CjI; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:25:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N92iV-1pNGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:25:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N92iR-00048a-Iq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:25:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33594CBA4A1; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CGpJk8bckHF; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 537BECB9EB3; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29A99CBA3B1 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id maMQy1KzqGn8 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72965CB9EB3 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p33so623544gvf.11 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.107.17 with SMTP id z17mr3284865ebo.10.1258143931849; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.8? (5acadce6.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1058349eyh.18.2009.11.13.12.25.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:25:31 -0800 (PST) From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:25:30 +0000 Message-Id: <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk> To: David Pilling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1941 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ST7YieitgcUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8B835r1JiOhfsKxQUjsA:9 a=bmLPJiEL5bzqKEnlEMAA:7 a=8-O-jwQc9eThyGsIOlNeOTRGxWAA:4 I'm used to running OPW in Windows XP. I've recently upgraded to Windows 7, which is running under emulation on an Apple MacBook Pro (VMware Fusion 3 - 2GB RAM assigned to the virtual machine). The only problem I've spotted so far has to do with mouse speed. As the mouse is dragged across the screen, the mouse pointer changes to the I- shaped caret when inside the master frame (as expected) ... but the speed of movement also SLOWS dramatically. I have not noticed this behaviour with OPW in Windows XP or with OvPro in RiscOS. Is it a known issue with Windows 7/Vista? ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 13 21:28:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N93g8-2fH000-02-Blf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:28:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N93g8-2fH000-02-Blf; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:27:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N93g8-2fH000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:27:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N93g4-0000zt-E9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:27:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82763CBA015; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rw+qXODseJ4j; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 864C1CB77E1; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8ADCB9CE9 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0WCdEEYbrPq1 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCC9BCB9CE7 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N93fW-0003tD-mN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:26:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:25:54 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed References: <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1942 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ykYmZR9-jusA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=xc2Jd9uwFSyY2wO89v4A:7 a=ucYHaUjKsuLjmbALI0YcJRZjha4A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=JCwIQCiDbO_5Nt6j:21 a=BVjRZekthUAddaKm:21 In message <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >(VMware Fusion 3 - 2GB RAM assigned to the virtual machine). The only >problem I've spotted so far has to do with mouse speed. As the mouse >is dragged across the screen, the mouse pointer changes to the I- >shaped caret when inside the master frame (as expected) ... but the >speed of movement also SLOWS dramatically. I don't know, I'm working on getting W7, but not yet. So maybe someone else could help. I can't see how mouse speed could vary, it is not something OP controls, unless there is some interaction like changing the pointer shape slows things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 14 12:10:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N9FHp-1IXknw-07-8gU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:10:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N9FHp-1IXknw-07-8gU; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:51:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N9FHp-1IXknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:51:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N9FHm-00072R-PU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:51:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C145BCB9937; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OgqVCMuaLReU; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEB55CB92CD; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:50:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C73A0CB92EC for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:50:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zhhoWGzPp7Vi for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547E0CB92CD for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091114095050.JVYC17277.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:50:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [82.17.66.133]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20091114095050.OHAY21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:50:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4AFE7D9A.1000300@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:51:22 +0000 From: David Scott User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed References: <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=61j0f7y-kfkA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=WLTx7xbVJY4Ve8uR8DYA:9 a=whFT8EBwWB4SEhuopX8A:7 a=E44U0LD2QqtWTxc4sZry3avaIEoA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 X-archive-position: 1943 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david.scott40@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ykYmZR9-jusA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WLTx7xbVJY4Ve8uR8DYA:9 a=yiI_6EACTmL3op1BWvsA:7 a=BCltWIQ-J68quV0VXRhWwz0nR00A:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 I have had Ovation for Windows working directly under Windows 7 for two weeks now and have found no problems so far. This has included updating several calendars, one of which is very complex and has sometimes caused problems in the past.

Even the installation was straightforward (install the program using the 'run as administrator' option on the right click menu) with no problems raised during installation. Post installation routine was tha same as it has always been on Ovation for Windows (setting up defaults, etc.).

There have been no observable problems with mouse (or keyboard) during its use. Perhaps the problem area is the virtual machine software?
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In message <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall <cbonsall@sky.com> writes
(VMware Fusion 3 - 2GB RAM assigned to the virtual machine). The only problem I've spotted so far has to do with mouse speed. As the mouse is dragged across the screen, the mouse pointer changes to the I- shaped caret when inside the master frame (as expected) ... but the speed of movement also SLOWS dramatically.

I don't know, I'm working on getting W7, but not yet. So maybe someone else could help.

I can't see how mouse speed could vary, it is not something OP controls, unless there is some interaction like changing the pointer shape slows things.


To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 14 13:25:14 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N9IX5-0j3knw-06-Dxk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:25:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N9IX5-0j3knw-06-Dxk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:19:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N9IX5-0j3knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:19:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N9IX1-0005gE-QI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:19:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF763CB9DD4; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62ivVhTQmzOv; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AC7DCB86F5; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 690D2CB9D9C for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AjL613V7zre4 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13525CB86F5 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so2142587eyw.22 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.23.88 with SMTP id q24mr781223ebb.13.1258204733320; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.8? (5acadcec.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1117512eyf.4.2009.11.14.05.18.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:18:52 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <4AFE7D9A.1000300@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:18:50 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1F4387F4-311F-43BB-AC0C-C7811FED4BEE@ed.ac.uk> References: <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk> <4AFE7D9A.1000300@ntlworld.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1944 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ykYmZR9-jusA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=V0X9cSpE5RSVu4vDwNwA:9 a=Cui5XWX1Ct69VCZ_IBkA:7 a=R70wW260yWP76g8xJYtwOzMlarQA:4 On 14 Nov 2009, at 09:51, David Scott wrote: > I have had Ovation for Windows working directly under Windows 7 for > two weeks now and have found no problems so far. > > Even the installation was straightforward (install the program using > the 'run as administrator' option on the right click menu) with no > problems raised during installation. I reinstalled OPW using "run as administrator" ... but it makes no difference. > There have been no observable problems with mouse (or keyboard) > during its use. Perhaps the problem area is the virtual machine > software? It's possible ... and I'll report it on the VMware Fusion discussion forum. But consider this ... If I open a WordPad window in Windows 7, and drag the mouse across the full width of the screen, when the mouse pointer reaches the text input area (white rectangle) it changes to the I-shaped text caret, but there is no discernible speed change. So far, I've only observed the speed change with OPW. Test 2: position the mouse pointer on the desktop background (outside the OPW window) and move the mouse in a circular motion so that the pointer circumscribes a circle of, say, 2-inches diameter. Then position the mouse pointer over the OPW master frame and try to do the same -- the caret moves in a circle with a much smaller diameter. There is clearly a difference in mouse behaviour between WordPad and OPW! Does that suggest a problem with the VM software or with OPW? Does anyone else have OPW running in Windows 7 on a Mac using VMware Fusion? ========================================== C.B. ========================================== To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 14 14:10:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N9JC3-2xbknw-04-DIm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:10:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N9JC3-2xbknw-04-DIm; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:01:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N9JC3-2xbknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:01:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N9JBz-0004l8-Ld for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:01:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72795CB8D53; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id glXUyKJ71fgc; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3642FCB8B11; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F8C0CB8B87 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ghUjl6V6Q1ET for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.145]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4DC9CB8B11 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so2161988eyw.22 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.24.1 with SMTP id t1mr763441ebb.57.1258207272446; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.8? (5acadcec.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm3301058eya.4.2009.11.14.06.01.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 - mouse speed From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: <1F4387F4-311F-43BB-AC0C-C7811FED4BEE@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:01:09 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8DE8F911-95E0-4CE3-94A3-F7CBEEDDF1A2@ed.ac.uk> References: <438733FD-1EB5-4366-BBAD-F158D7BE4EC3@ed.ac.uk> <4AFE7D9A.1000300@ntlworld.com> <1F4387F4-311F-43BB-AC0C-C7811FED4BEE@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-archive-position: 1945 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ykYmZR9-jusA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nScZLi08UqJXhVMzbO8A:9 a=98tnCN11OxC2Gkq7CRoA:7 a=TschWHq-8a5NCH_EQl3OPAcsXZAA:4 On 14 Nov 2009, at 13:18, Clive Bonsall wrote: > > On 14 Nov 2009, at 09:51, David Scott wrote: > >> I have had Ovation for Windows working directly under Windows 7 for >> two weeks now and have found no problems so far. >> >> Even the installation was straightforward (install the program >> using the 'run as administrator' option on the right click menu) >> with no problems raised during installation. > > I reinstalled OPW using "run as administrator" ... but it makes no > difference. > >> There have been no observable problems with mouse (or keyboard) >> during its use. Perhaps the problem area is the virtual machine >> software? > > It's possible ... and I'll report it on the VMware Fusion discussion > forum. But consider this ... > > If I open a WordPad window in Windows 7, and drag the mouse across > the full width of the screen, when the mouse pointer reaches the > text input area (white rectangle) it changes to the I-shaped text > caret, but there is no discernible speed change. So far, I've only > observed the speed change with OPW. > > Test 2: position the mouse pointer on the desktop background > (outside the OPW window) and move the mouse in a circular motion so > that the pointer circumscribes a circle of, say, 2-inches diameter. > Then position the mouse pointer over the OPW master frame and try to > do the same -- the caret moves in a circle with a much smaller > diameter. > > There is clearly a difference in mouse behaviour between WordPad and > OPW! Does that suggest a problem with the VM software or with OPW? To follow up my own post ... I think I may have found a workaround to the problem ... within Mouse properties: Go to Control Panel>All Control Panel Items >Mouse Select the Pointer Options tab Within