From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 8 19:00:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MvxHT-3Xx000-06-ELI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:00:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MvxHT-3Xx000-06-ELI; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:59:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MvxHT-3Xx000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:59:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MvxHQ-0000O6-Al for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:59:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EDFDCB27F4; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YPBKhot4UBhr; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91390CB03F6; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60B4DCB049B for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kEiheDj5PXse for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1CF7CB03F6 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-23-16-95-dynip.superkabel.de [77.23.16.95]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MDWCD-1N66pc1Wyz-00HKTg; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:59:33 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:00:46 +0200 Message-ID: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19J5ULFtYCzgC4mou8GBykyptO3YZa7SWbGhii 1VsLYYPyisNO7baf2h69XTuP0kuRBxRKoP7GiIX5rz653VVceH RXte94fi/kGwWtgJjNHuA== X-archive-position: 1788 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YFR1_8CudqkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WaUiF9DUvIv_znr2Kv0A:9 a=8VtCnJ0aS20GNKFr59gA:7 a=e0b5N0Ffuxwjiz0tjj85sKQC7pUA:4 a=y5EyrJPCz-MA:10 Back in April 2006 there was a discussion on this list about a PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS with David stating: > Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved > PostScript printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a > "level 3" driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. > [...] > The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very > simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - > for example rendering sprites with a mask. > > Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate > better PDFs. So, after three and a half years have passed, we (John Tytgat and Martin Wuerthner) are finally happy to announce the first release of our PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS. In contrast to our original idea (and the idea propagated by you, David), this is not an adaptation based on the sources of the Acorn PostScript driver but a complete reimplementation. In addition to the difficulty of implementing such a project from scratch (credits go to John for taking this brave decision and doing the groundwork) we were facing the interesting challenge of finding all sorts of surprises with application-specific behaviour. Basically, there is no way to print advanced features such as irregular frames, graduated fills or CMYK sprites to PostScript except by injecting application-specific PostScript code into the output generated by the driver, which requires a lot of assumptions to be made about the way the driver works. In order to operate with these applications we needed to guess what these assumptions were and make sure they are still valid. OvationPro certainly gave us a few headaches (but we did solve these problems in the end). So, finally, there is an initial release. Areas of improvement include higher output quality for sprites and fonts from all applications, better graduated fills from ArtWorks (and soon from OvationPro as well), printing support from NetSurf on RISC OS 5 and straightforward handling of non-standard paper sizes. For a more detailed description of the improvements, see the PostScript 3 driver home page: http://www.mw-software.com/software/ps3/ps3.html The driver requires RISC OS 4 or higher and is available for 35 Pounds (EUR 40). You can order online from http://www.mw-software.com/software/ps3/ps3.html#order John Tytgat Martin Wuerthner To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 10:45:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Mw4Te-4Rh000-03-Ffd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:45:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Mw4Te-4Rh000-03-Ffd; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:41:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Mw4Te-4Rh000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:41:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Mw4TZ-0002Tj-5n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:41:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6229CB249D; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7FNSIJmjzA5J; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 075F7CB0FBC; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:40:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1E94CB249D for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mBcUBauVkTD0 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED8D9CB0FBC for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12343 invoked by uid 89); 9 Oct 2009 01:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2009 01:40:27 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:42:51 +0800 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1789 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=CPxgr1fBKfIFqPWE6B0A:9 a=BwOKpCPPh9O7HWZgTmUA:7 a=VONgfIt-6nfJyb9K_ixxN30bpdIA:4 a=y5EyrJPCz-MA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=KFQ7fMsiX0BEetXl:21 a=Jbg29X5x3Q4f5c4e:21 In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Back in April 2006 there was a discussion on this list about a > PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS with David stating: I am one of the people who has been waiting for this and am most appreciative of all the effort put into it. Congratulations and thanks! I tried to print a 33 page document from Ovation Pro (v2.77 28 jan 2009) but it came up with an error message after what turned out to be 13 pages. This it soldiered on with and produced a readable PDF - something that the PDF2 driver didn't. As I have an Iyonix with 400Mb of RAM still available and 140Gb of space on my HDD I assume it is something in OP that is restricting the PDF3 process (as it did in PDF2) The document is one with a large number of images including multiple images on individual pages in some cases. We try to restrict the image sizes to under 800k for half page and full page and smaller than that (in physical size on the page) to 200-400k Can the settings of OP be adjusted to allow more memory to be accessible for the use of printing with PDF3? Once again thanks for the tremendous effort by all involved Ross >> Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved >> PostScript printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a >> "level 3" driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. >> [...] >> The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very >> simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - >> for example rendering sprites with a mask. >> >> Even if you don't have a level 3 printer, you might want to generate >> better PDFs. > So, after three and a half years have passed, we (John Tytgat and > Martin Wuerthner) are finally happy to announce the first release of > our PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS. > In contrast to our original idea (and the idea propagated by you, > David), this is not an adaptation based on the sources of the Acorn > PostScript driver but a complete reimplementation. In addition to the > difficulty of implementing such a project from scratch (credits go to > John for taking this brave decision and doing the groundwork) we were > facing the interesting challenge of finding all sorts of surprises > with application-specific behaviour. > Basically, there is no way to print advanced features such as > irregular frames, graduated fills or CMYK sprites to PostScript except > by injecting application-specific PostScript code into the output > generated by the driver, which requires a lot of assumptions to be > made about the way the driver works. In order to operate with these > applications we needed to guess what these assumptions were and make > sure they are still valid. OvationPro certainly gave us a few > headaches (but we did solve these problems in the end). > So, finally, there is an initial release. Areas of improvement include > higher output quality for sprites and fonts from all applications, > better graduated fills from ArtWorks (and soon from OvationPro as > well), printing support from NetSurf on RISC OS 5 and straightforward > handling of non-standard paper sizes. For a more detailed description > of the improvements, see the PostScript 3 driver home page: > http://www.mw-software.com/software/ps3/ps3.html > The driver requires RISC OS 4 or higher and is available for 35 Pounds > (EUR 40). You can order online from > http://www.mw-software.com/software/ps3/ps3.html#order > John Tytgat > Martin Wuerthner > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 10:45:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Mw4fN-0WnVbs-08-FTu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:45:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Mw4fN-0WnVbs-08-FTu; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:53:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Mw4fN-0WnVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:53:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Mw4fJ-0006dO-LZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:53:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D96DCB26E7; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PIDjbmGXziIC; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BA78CB26D3; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AB79CB26DF for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21vm1pcNv-69 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hel.is.scarlet.be (hel.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA7DACB26D3 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-169-232.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.169.232]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n991qdCf018947 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:52:40 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1255053161; bh=bmei8cTkqTllfR6yPD7SUIvDrFyoPlvPpLn5w+dS2OI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sL4ZZWhDhemP3cLvHzoUTtRgBckdJuGFrN2ia8yBA0yYz/7862v4yrjhLA0HGcmGj jbmzHDpsOXRcgGVImTku7GkBy6kqXRyD/WYh4QDR0lh3YcO7+BqR29Nca6ehFiByl9 pFsK98L58uqrUHto/JO+SoHj2oBXTwxOlM32MxFA= Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:51:55 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.17) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-archive-position: 1790 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=TdK0coyRX-vrYDbBwMMA:7 a=ZAIIdCo22P__xuIDowrhqoRxSzEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message you wrote: > In message > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > Back in April 2006 there was a discussion on this list about a > > PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS with David stating: > > I am one of the people who has been waiting for this and am most > appreciative of all the effort put into it. Congratulations and > thanks! You're welcome. > I tried to print a 33 page document from Ovation Pro (v2.77 28 jan > 2009) but it came up with an error message after what turned out to be > 13 pages. What error message ? Were you be able to print that 33 page document with the old PS2 driver ? If not, did you got the same error message ? > This it soldiered on with and produced a readable PDF - > something that the PDF2 driver didn't. You probably mean PS2. > As I have an Iyonix with 400Mb of RAM still available and 140Gb of > space on my HDD I assume it is something in OP that is restricting the > PDF3 process (as it did in PDF2) The document is one with a large > number of images including multiple images on individual pages in some > cases. We try to restrict the image sizes to under 800k for half page > and full page and smaller than that (in physical size on the page) to > 200-400k > > Can the settings of OP be adjusted to allow more memory to be > accessible for the use of printing with PDF3? FWIW, our PS3 driver (and PS2 AFAIK the code), doesn't consume more memory or other resources with larger or more images (aside: this might change when we'll implement greying of JPEG images but that's not currently the case). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 10:45:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Mw5j0-1PUGPo-06-EQH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:45:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Mw5j0-1PUGPo-06-EQH; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:00:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Mw5j0-1PUGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:00:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Mw5iu-0006EY-20 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:00:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7426CB25D7; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUonreLEOUlr; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 120C5CB21FB; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8C31CB24AF for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nY96gwTtU+4G for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F137CCB21FB for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13297 invoked by uid 89); 9 Oct 2009 03:00:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2009 03:00:30 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:02:43 +0800 Message-ID: <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1791 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Iiito8HDAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LrOT38fCccP-dxWddwsA:9 a=jTNFF1AZlOY6p-evp0YA:7 a=jNafYfl7DzhXeckEJEunilmuKrUA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In message <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> John Tytgat wrote: > In message you wrote: >> In message >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> >>> Back in April 2006 there was a discussion on this list about a >>> PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS with David stating: >> >> I am one of the people who has been waiting for this and am most >> appreciative of all the effort put into it. Congratulations and >> thanks! > You're welcome. >> I tried to print a 33 page document from Ovation Pro (v2.77 28 jan >> 2009) but it came up with an error message after what turned out to be >> 13 pages. > What error message ? Were you be able to print that 33 page document > with the old PS2 driver ? If not, did you got the same error message ? Error from OP not enough memory Haven't tried it on PS2 but previous attempts to convert OP docs to PDF had the same error. (ie not enough memory) some gave up the ghost when they came across a lerger image 1+Meg and sometimes created a 'pixelated' copy or even a blank space where the image shgould be. If we printed in smaller segments ie pp1-5 then pp6-10 it seemed to be more successful. On occasion only replacing the offending image (s) resulted in useable PDFs >> This it soldiered on with and produced a readable PDF - >> something that the PDF2 driver didn't. > You probably mean PS2. sorry PS2 which we used PrintPDF to generate > PDFs to send to the printer. >> As I have an Iyonix with 400Mb of RAM still available and 140Gb of >> space on my HDD I assume it is something in OP that is restricting the >> PDF3 process (as it did in PDF2) The document is one with a large >> number of images including multiple images on individual pages in some >> cases. We try to restrict the image sizes to under 800k for half page >> and full page and smaller than that (in physical size on the page) to >> 200-400k >> >> Can the settings of OP be adjusted to allow more memory to be >> accessible for the use of printing with PDF3? > FWIW, our PS3 driver (and PS2 AFAIK the code), doesn't consume more > memory or other resources with larger or more images (aside: this might > change when we'll implement greying of JPEG images but that's not > currently the case). Many of the images are coloured ones but also include scanned b/w photographs (generally scanned in colour as it seemed to give less problems) Regards Ross > John. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 10:59:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwCE6-2HEVbs-07-GRh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:59:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwCE6-2HEVbs-07-GRh; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:57:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwCE6-2HEVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:57:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwCE2-0003RK-KF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:57:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95EA1CB147A; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:57:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V7awwAhmKBS2; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6871CB0D2F; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:57:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B0DECB0E51 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:57:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jArkzeXOB+aJ for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 325CDCB0D2F for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwCDk-0007Zk-hy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:55:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1792 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=j38ucbYvs48LIaeKyFcA:9 a=WWDvS7W2uPLJX8oEFKcA:7 a=VQ7xtNkecDdiepUxB2CyujLaW2oA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=TO-_SagdeJseH7PT:21 a=UNxugA3E8GQd4dwA:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >Back in April 2006 there was a discussion on this list about a >PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS with David stating: > >> Earlier this year I came to the conclusion that doing an improved >> PostScript printer driver for RISC OS would be easy - lets say a >> "level 3" driver to go with the existing level 1 and 2 drivers. >> [...] >> The point about "level 3" is that PostScript level 3 provides a very >> simple solution to many of the horrors in the current Acorn drivers - >> for example rendering sprites with a mask. I like that quote 8-) >So, after three and a half years have passed, we (John Tytgat and >Martin Wuerthner) are finally happy to announce the first release of >our PostScript 3 driver for RISC OS. Well done Martin and John. >applications we needed to guess what these assumptions were and make >sure they are still valid. OvationPro certainly gave us a few >headaches (but we did solve these problems in the end). I would have changed it, in fact all the OP PS code is visible you could have changed it. You may need to raise peoples appreciation of how bad the existing PostScript drivers are. It's not as simple as "I don't have a level 3 printer therefore this is of no interest to me". There was an interesting article in the last but one issue of Archive which discussed some of the issues. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1793 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=4CxugvD6ghTzREhqeLcA:7 a=0IHGctUfK_esoRTK9GImv6nMUDEA:4 a=8Fydg9YyMmWTcgNa:21 a=kDvBJofhjSgO3fuX:21 In message <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness writes >Error from OP >not enough memory You might try increasing print menu from OP choices. Although if OP says not enough memory it means something has gobbled up all the memory. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 11:45:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwCqb-2vJGPo-07-FpC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:45:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwCqb-2vJGPo-07-FpC; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:37:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwCqb-2vJGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:37:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwCqY-0000HU-Dy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:37:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DE92CB283E; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:37:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tbP-zaGHMAjj; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79A74CB0EA2; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:36:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49036CB2841 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:36:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qThMg6onTJDn for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04D37CB286F for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwCqH-0002d6-eI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:36:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:35:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1794 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=n3hm5IsVJO-nNDe6oOkA:7 a=DvPhq5qOi7V-htqbl2hHhr0z55wA:4 a=jRiJtn0CiurWw8xX:21 a=OP1SVFWZbNJcH0ae:21 In message , David Pilling writes >In message <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross >McGuinness writes >>Error from OP >>not enough memory > >You might try increasing print menu from OP choices. Although if OP >says not enough memory it means something has gobbled up all the memory. Oops I should have said "print memory" -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 13:15:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwEFO-3cxknw-01-EQP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:15:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwEFO-3cxknw-01-EQP; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:06:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwEFO-3cxknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:06:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwEFL-0004JB-RK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:06:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6E6ECB27C6; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c7-dTtjosQmF; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0A97CB1598; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:06:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2BA6CB277D for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gmOaen7ap+Vf for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E07D5CB1598 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16922 invoked by uid 89); 9 Oct 2009 12:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2009 12:06:23 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:08:35 +0800 Message-ID: <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1795 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZuubYfM3neb2zOCFY1wA:9 a=hX7RJ9agqgXEt3IaXB0A:7 a=GI1P1MSmY_YDR7oJvUO6CkSShl8A:4 a=b56nPx2DoJLjdFfO:21 a=kHPoJGaNLSJBrkz8:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross > McGuinness writes >>Error from OP >>not enough memory > You might try increasing print menu from OP choices. Although if OP says > not enough memory it means something has gobbled up all the memory. I have it set to 225.04Mb and yet it still comes up with 'out of memory' -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 16:01:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwEk7-117Vbs-08-Dvg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:01:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwEk7-117Vbs-08-Dvg; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:38:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwEk7-117Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:38:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwEk1-0005hm-4P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:38:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77B20CB28FD; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:38:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hme1iLSOKkcq; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0DF5CB2980; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:37:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98995CB298B for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:37:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-kM1NmWGt+p for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3F33CB2980 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwEjD-0001Bq-n4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:37:47 +0000 Message-ID: <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:36:29 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1796 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=O9fvLB3e2J2WuGceBPwA:9 a=ob79MvEf54STo9ra3i4A:7 a=uMcTPq4lKKc3iu5843n90CwuzkcA:4 a=mgL-Jp0yWXEgoEmM:21 a=OsAtjTxAnLuGcdrn:21 In message <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness writes >I have it set to 225.04Mb >and yet it still comes up with 'out of memory' Perhaps if you try turning it down - say to 25 or 50MB. One starts to wonder what is in this document - just sprites should not be enough to start memory problems, nor with PostScript should irregular frames. I also wonder where the error is coming from - during printing, or is there some sort of post print operation going on, like PDF conversion or copying a print file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 16:01:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwF0G-4bqVbs-02-DfX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:01:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwF0G-4bqVbs-02-DfX; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:55:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwF0G-4bqVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:55:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwF05-0003dY-EI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC4A8CB29E3; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:55:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qLm1K-uno51u; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67FA0CB29A1; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D5FCB29C7 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uCr6iP5QhEQz for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF5B4CB29D2 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-20-217-187-dynip.superkabel.de [77.20.217.187]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt2u-1MwEzi26b2-000pXL; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:54:50 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:56:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19TAQk25zEhgQ3L3Aftsv2aK5j0S8sea0mjcMX vRzIYv0sbeVlQOetb8ccIWDfLeZ0lWRamj05NpqKZlBbzHReGg Wf4kxDZjhyz+dtECT6fdg== X-archive-position: 1797 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=W7ygdCTT24vpQfCO5j8A:9 a=9xCbyIGD4ZpDFQBwLd4A:7 a=YTQEG75N_LIPd2EOpQco6hAKrlEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=TkAXUgzujKGeEMtE:21 a=d9hOEbzQJ-YLxpPI:21 In message <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross > McGuinness writes >>I have it set to 225.04Mb >>and yet it still comes up with 'out of memory' > Perhaps if you try turning it down - say to 25 or 50MB. > One starts to wonder what is in this document - just sprites should not > be enough to start memory problems At a guess, a high resolution bitmap with some colour processing applied would require a lot of memory. As would rotated JPEGs. And of course, as soon as ArtWorks files are used in the document, then this can require additional memory, e.g., to render transparency or rotated JPEGs. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 16:16:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwH4T-2Ekknw-03-BbK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:16:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwH4T-2Ekknw-03-BbK; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:07:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwH4T-2Ekknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:07:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwH4R-0001vK-Cm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:07:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F679CB2A8F; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qEI5lZSmnKen; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5231CB28B7; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:07:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D587CB2913 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:07:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ve1HKILhOXXY for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C530CB28B7 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwH48-00016z-en for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:07:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:06:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1798 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Mc1mSb1tJf1Hs5spnUEA:9 a=CnHwlCCgA44saRo52okA:7 a=EwGTv6hCG7IS4DvmIdxjgd4h5C8A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=VqAMV4tmXZWfL5II:21 a=pYaxJXg8qDDEKqVg:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >At a guess, a high resolution bitmap with some colour processing >applied would require a lot of memory. As would rotated JPEGs. I know, but if it can't get enough memory to do the whole bitmap, it tiles it. As I said it depends what is in this document, are there massive bitmaps, or is it a damaged font. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 18:16:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwIuB-3MnVbs-07-9lc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:16:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwIuB-3MnVbs-07-9lc; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwIuB-3MnVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:05:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwIu9-0004Oy-17 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:05:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20F3FCB24AD; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:05:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IzKg266j9XyC; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CE03CB20C9; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:05:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E584CCB28A1 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOgm+ZIfVtUP for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5A56CB20C9 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9118 invoked by uid 89); 9 Oct 2009 17:04:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2009 17:04:58 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:07:23 +0800 Message-ID: <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1799 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vd3isvwgkDJ_GV31BGQA:9 a=z75_uccvxsw4X3btsMoA:7 a=jhLnfksX3woFxEFWJaobj-X-Q5kA:4 a=hvyWkS4pMoxq0Qxr:21 a=lH03ShPSBuP6NnTO:21 In message <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross > McGuinness writes >>I have it set to 225.04Mb >>and yet it still comes up with 'out of memory' > Perhaps if you try turning it down - say to 25 or 50MB. Have now set it to 25Mb > One starts to wonder what is in this document - just sprites should not > be enough to start memory problems, nor with PostScript should irregular > frames. I've gone hunting through to each page that took a long time to process. Each of them have jpegs of more than 1Mb. The one that the document fell over on had a digital image from a camera with a size of over 4Mb I've gone through and reduced the data size (using !ChangeFSI) and have now 'printed' the 33 pages as a PDF. It seems that the size of an image is the major stumbling block. ie the 4+Mb image killed the printing. A page with a number of 1Mb images seems to slow the rendering down dramatically. If those images are re-sized by !ChangeFSI they then print much faster and don't cause the process to fall over. The errors are occurring during the 'printing' phase using PS2 or PS3 before they get to the !PrintPDF process. The later post about lots of small images is what has also happened in the past. This gives an unrecognisable mass of small pieces that look rather abstract. We have even had a large % of the image rendered(printed) correctly and a band of the pixellated blocks on one side. > I also wonder where the error is coming from - during printing, or is > there some sort of post print operation going on, like PDF conversion or > copying a print file. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 18:16:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwJ0F-1cMVbs-02-9fY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:16:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwJ0F-1cMVbs-02-9fY; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:11:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwJ0F-1cMVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:11:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwJ0B-0005UU-DP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:11:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2152CB2A11; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TBL0iN1iDyap; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CB6CCB1973; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:11:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7383BCB223A for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:11:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GM6Hxi4M1f4F for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC457CB1973 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwIzs-0006HD-gm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:11:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:15:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1800 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RiENTEbmoM7bK_VAlXoA:9 a=gMruAiwGgmI_zpv5l8AA:7 a=NECOp9FbYLLGQgGyGrpm51367-sA:4 In article <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness wrote: [Snip] > It seems that the size of an image is the major stumbling block. ie > the 4+Mb image killed the printing. A page with a number of 1Mb images > seems to slow the rendering down dramatically. If those images are > re-sized by !ChangeFSI they then print much faster and don't cause the > process to fall over. one of the things I always do is to check the scale of a picture in the box below. If it is much less than 50%, it's always worth changing the original size of the image since it's much bigger than is really needed. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 18:31:33 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwJH7-2v0Vbs-01-9Og.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:31:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwJH7-2v0Vbs-01-9Og; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:29:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwJH7-2v0Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:29:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwJH5-0004WU-HN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:29:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A99CFCB12FA; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwVWObZd-cL3; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDEABCB10AF; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D99ACB10BA for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n-Rxi-X-EEgQ for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EE7CCB10AF for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwJGf-0000tF-nZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:28:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:27:21 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1801 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=9FN7d6qUV3NAdF4yg-QA:7 a=oIYrkSPZTVUSTH77W8TCuN1UsscA:4 a=hFp2AeQ7u4rLNAot:21 a=kdL1bj9McbtdAPXS:21 In message <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness writes >process. Each of them have jpegs of more than 1Mb. The one that the >document fell over on had a digital image from a camera with a size >of over 4Mb A 4MB JPEG is going to turn into a very large image when it is expanded - you tell me width x height pixels. Even so I would have thought you'd get away with it. A critical factor is if the JPEG needs colour processing, if it does not then it is sent straight to RISC OS and components of that may run out of memory. Otherwise one looks to Ovation Pro. I always fancied the idea of adding a feature to OP that would re-sample images to the necessary resolution. Difficult calculation to do mentally because printer resolution may be much higher than the screen, but then effectively reduced by the need to use half toning. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 18:46:33 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwJW5-21mGPo-07-99i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:46:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwJW5-21mGPo-07-99i; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:44:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwJW5-21mGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:44:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwJW1-0002x0-K3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:44:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95ED6CB1F3B; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQjzko65hcfb; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9348FCB1300; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67F92CB24A9 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5gQGqWUOBIJt for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EADBCB1300 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22062 invoked by uid 89); 9 Oct 2009 17:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2009 17:44:08 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:46:30 +0800 Message-ID: <48e2a3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1802 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Yw2onheTyZ0l-rcd0iMA:9 a=bH-u-NOLz9n7NGgjqysA:7 a=qVTiMnXghcUov6gO3zZLlwMo0X4A:4 a=4nwzZ8PNBA3AHXYb:21 a=vn3qW8zysgQBwl2E:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross > McGuinness writes >>process. Each of them have jpegs of more than 1Mb. The one that the >>document fell over on had a digital image from a camera with a size >>of over 4Mb > A 4MB JPEG is going to turn into a very large image when it is expanded > - you tell me width x height pixels. Even so I would have thought you'd > get away with it. It seems that it is necessary to keep a close eye on the image size (data in Mb) and to use !ChangeFSI to keep size down. Thanks for all the help with this problem. Ross > A critical factor is if the JPEG needs colour processing, if it does not > then it is sent straight to RISC OS and components of that may run out > of memory. Otherwise one looks to Ovation Pro. > I always fancied the idea of adding a feature to OP that would re-sample > images to the necessary resolution. > Difficult calculation to do mentally because printer resolution may be > much higher than the screen, but then effectively reduced by the need to > use half toning. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 19:01:33 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwJeC-0f4GPo-04-91b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:01:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwJeC-0f4GPo-04-91b; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:52:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwJeC-0f4GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:52:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwJe4-0001ax-EZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:52:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC959CB2A74; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:52:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17j36uUbt6s7; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13F34CB29B9; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6068CB2A41 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aLWwCrrZwIhi for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49943CB29B9 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24489 invoked by uid 89); 9 Oct 2009 17:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 9 Oct 2009 17:52:24 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:54:45 +0800 Message-ID: <92a3a4a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1803 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8sjE6TlDJp6E6_ggSS4A:9 a=FQsA9YSVWhfH2lzZEHkA:7 a=AkW2qWDJrX2rDDF1q_EKlfdSOY8A:4 a=JvABd28Y6w7cA-WL:21 a=EXmkroPSjaWK3z3f:21 In message <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, > Ross McGuinness wrote: > [Snip] >> It seems that the size of an image is the major stumbling block. ie >> the 4+Mb image killed the printing. A page with a number of 1Mb images >> seems to slow the rendering down dramatically. If those images are >> re-sized by !ChangeFSI they then print much faster and don't cause the >> process to fall over. > one of the things I always do is to check the scale of a picture in the box > below. If it is much less than 50%, it's always worth changing the > original size of the image since it's much bigger than is really needed. Will have to get my wife to pay close attention to this. Thanks for the tip! -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 19:31:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwKBj-295000-07-H0a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:31:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwKBj-295000-07-H0a; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:27:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwKBj-295000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:27:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwKBh-0003Cd-AF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:27:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20F5ACB07C4; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rn6Wwj+arauS; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70FDCCB00FC; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41824CB024B for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VJRM4rwqq3Yk for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFB4CCB00D0 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-21-80.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.21.80] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MwKB9-000Och-6N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:26:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=g869T897SE6HhRe5Ad4A:9 a=C9Za8G-sNsqokGV4cA0A:7 a=iBhRZSF2jzgiLd6VVaqYiJmqoXAA:4 Ross McGuinness wrote on 9 Oct: > ... jpegs of more than 1Mb. The one that the document fell over on > had=A0a digital image from a camera with a size=A0of=A0over 4Mb do you mean the JPeg was more than 4meg? if so, the decompressed=20 bitmap might have been 20 or 30 meg. would that make a difference to the PS-PDF process, or does the=20 picture remain as JPeg throughout? --=20 Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 19:31:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwKC9-2lBGPo-02-H0A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:31:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwKC9-2lBGPo-02-H0A; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:28:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwKC9-2lBGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:28:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwKC8-0003Fv-7a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:28:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C80B2CB07CC; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VTitaANhykRK; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66F9CCB00D0; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A727CB0216 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5beOR7WOwU3s for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1403CB00FC for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-21-80.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.21.80] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MwKBA-000Och-7k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:27:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1805 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GETuOL1h3eiCJrU2c2kA:9 a=mzceEwhyJHV6UtJVJM0A:7 a=5knlcGGHnMmnBa74DMR0Fo_uiPcA:4 a=Xyo7lKjfDySZHT9r:21 a=kA6y99eE74tZSTca:21 charles wrote on 9 Oct: > one of the things I always do is to check the scale of a picture in the box > below. If it is much less than 50%, it's always worth changing the > original size of the image since it's much bigger than is really needed. and remember filesize is affected by the SQUARE of the scale: if you go for 50% scale, the resulting bitmap shrinks to a QUARTER of the size. in general, the megamegapixel pictures you get from modern digicameras are hardly ever needed (in my opinion) are hardly ever necessary unless you're printing wall-size posters. somebody more expert than i could usefully give us a formula to follow. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 22:01:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwMXN-1NrVbs-07-Eew.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:01:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwMXN-1NrVbs-07-Eew; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:58:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwMXN-1NrVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:58:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwMXG-0000Ih-5C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:58:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9548ECAFE10; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:59:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZZNaE99AEgc; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B97DDCAFC21; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81085CAFCF7 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5bVwWdBIFTud for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71948CAFC21 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.71.39.37] (helo=[10.0.0.6]) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MwLbG-00031b-PH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:58:02 +0000 Message-ID: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:57:44 +0100 From: Bernard G Hill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.71.39.37] X-archive-position: 1806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Z4qLAwErffTiiiNkZMgA:9 a=oLstO53OnYTRO3PzhSsA:7 a=RAwXdUUatv0ME_kd81xOJ_S6CY4A:4 Jim Nagel wrote: > charles wrote on 9 Oct: > > >> one of the things I always do is to check the scale of a picture in the box >> below. If it is much less than 50%, it's always worth changing the >> original size of the image since it's much bigger than is really needed. >> > > and remember filesize is affected by the SQUARE of the scale: if you > go for 50% scale, the resulting bitmap shrinks to a QUARTER of the > size. > > in general, the megamegapixel pictures you get from modern digicameras > are hardly ever needed (in my opinion) are hardly ever necessary > unless you're printing wall-size posters. somebody more expert than > i could usefully give us a formula to follow. > > I think, could be wrong, but high quality publications use 300dpi for the final image. High quality photoprinters work to that resolution. Berni. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 9 22:01:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwMZr-21Pknw-08-EcS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:01:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwMZr-21Pknw-08-EcS; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:00:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwMZr-21Pknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:00:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwMZf-0000Tv-13 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:00:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B7D5CB1B9D; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:06:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kG3GjSux1vy4; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8099CB19AF; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 751F6CB1A99 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sjo0YmYbYr+v for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DDA9CB19AF for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwLiH-0005mY-WW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:05:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:03:47 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1807 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=4dayrS68xTrCSrj3yvkA:7 a=hFMRbV9PoAbCU_L_EZYF0WXnZ-IA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=ZczQyipgBhVfYxob:21 a=BTeOawDEYf7ZAGsq:21 In message <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >would that make a difference to the PS-PDF process, or does the >picture remain as JPeg throughout? That was my point, if the JPEG is not image processed then it can remain as a JPEG throughout - no extra memory needed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 10 12:12:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwRhT-4Kc000-02-9Uq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:12:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwRhT-4Kc000-02-9Uq; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:28:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwRhT-4Kc000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:28:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwRhQ-0004hc-Il for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:28:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0324ACB2C69; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:28:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vc37LqlUPhoM; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16019CB2C5D; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D21F4CB2C5E for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zhPUxMHtcVLu for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB21ACB2C5D for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18333 invoked by uid 89); 10 Oct 2009 02:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 10 Oct 2009 02:28:27 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:30:42 +0800 Message-ID: <17e0d3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1808 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Bbpz7kRI-dc9U6fhaSYA:9 a=8PNZMK19KNqida2S56wA:7 a=o5pzfZ06EmCmvqjsKbqrPdvrp2cA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=OsxMGUmA8mDV41uK:21 a=rPZN6J9nO2QvDfMX:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel > writes >>would that make a difference to the PS-PDF process, or does the >>picture remain as JPeg throughout? > That was my point, if the JPEG is not image processed then it can remain > as a JPEG throughout - no extra memory needed. does passing it through !ChangeFSI and using the resultant jpeg make a difference ie is it still recognised as a jpeg by OP -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 10 12:42:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Mwa79-194Vbs-02-9bg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:42:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Mwa79-194Vbs-02-9bg; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Mwa79-194Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Mwa77-0004Ic-Bi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E3C7CB2ABC; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UwTC2bgW3zga; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 101FECB2A5C; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6E0CCB2A5A for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHeji2aaD3kG for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D6B2CB2A49 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Mwa6n-0002m8-oW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:26:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <17e0d3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <17e0d3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1809 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=fig1Ic4SCBrgo5rsbKQA:7 a=ur1XT4iC9AVmhQchLiRYj1Rja4oA:4 a=kc5AaZbBgi1ddLT9:21 a=Y62kCVQNVKivLW-y:21 In message <17e0d3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness writes >does passing it through !ChangeFSI and using the resultant jpeg make a >difference ie is it still recognised as a jpeg by OP A JPEG is a JPEG. If what comes out of ChangeFSI actually is a JPEG (it only saved sprites the last time I used it - which would be some time ago) then OP will handle it as a JPEG. There is a Picture->Info feature in OP which tells you the file type and details like the original and in document resolution. Bear in mind that many filetypes e.g. TIFF, GIF, PNG when loaded into OP are converted by the filter system into Sprites. You can even have your copy of OP set up so that JPEGs are converted too. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 10 12:42:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwaBZ-1GIVbs-01-9XG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:42:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwaBZ-1GIVbs-01-9XG; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:32:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwaBZ-1GIVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:32:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwaBY-0000g1-5y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:32:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97D77CB2C72; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKJqx-I-si4h; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA7CACB2C6D; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D7E8CB2C72 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDxJHwaVu5r3 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpm-eml105.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D639CB2C6D for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:32:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:32:07 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50a80571afPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2009 11:32:10.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E064F90:01CA499D] X-archive-position: 1810 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sMxGH8Vk_j-mzaoXe4QA:9 a=CBo5Pp8nMjJFE1LjLMcA:7 a=3k7PfkslQARYnT8KgWfkfsLzv_QA:4 Some of the contributors said things such as: > one of the things I always do is to check the scale of a picture in the > box below. If it is much less than 50%, it's always worth changing the > original size of the image since it's much bigger than is really needed. I may totally misunderstand where it is all about, but isn't 'Proxy' the feature that covers this problem? I've set mine to 40K, so that every picture, larger than 40K, will automatically be replaced by a heavily scaled down version in the document, but when it comes to printing, the full original size will be used. Iconbar menu -> Choices -> Picture -> Proxy Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 10 14:12:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Mwbaa-2KRGPo-06-Gel.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:12:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Mwbaa-2KRGPo-06-Gel; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:02:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Mwbaa-2KRGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:02:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwbaW-0007Sz-LA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:02:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81033CB2C26; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BznxxD5Th3ob; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE4D5CB2639; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81888CB29AF for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sJorOT0KajG9 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A73B7CB2639 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4761 invoked by uid 89); 10 Oct 2009 13:01:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 10 Oct 2009 13:01:59 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:04:24 +0800 Message-ID: <63e40da850.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <1042a6a750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <17e0d3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2RzsVlIWFuucQVzPp3oA:9 a=Q56DyQHIUS5jLx-TkKIA:7 a=6WqutnkHVcz9KdNM92PKUEbMkQQA:4 a=YTI9SkDTLDy54d_U:21 a=TBZ8E4KtwmMVyKQ-:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <17e0d3a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross > McGuinness writes >>does passing it through !ChangeFSI and using the resultant jpeg make a >>difference ie is it still recognised as a jpeg by OP > A JPEG is a JPEG. If what comes out of ChangeFSI actually is a JPEG (it > only saved sprites the last time I used it - which would be some time > ago) then OP will handle it as a JPEG. There is a Picture->Info feature > in OP which tells you the file type and details like the original and in > document resolution. The output from !ChangeFSI is set to jpeg and on checking the info of the pictures in OP they are still jpegs. > Bear in mind that many filetypes e.g. TIFF, GIF, PNG when loaded into OP > are converted by the filter system into Sprites. You can even have your > copy of OP set up so that JPEGs are converted too. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 10 14:57:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MwcF5-1SUGPo-08-G0G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:57:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MwcF5-1SUGPo-08-G0G; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:44:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MwcF5-1SUGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:44:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MwcF4-0004C9-5V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:44:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74693CB297E; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g45DPC+opxCx; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4AB6CB1192; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F91CCB19CE for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y9kkNP9DQVzT for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40215CB1231 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MwcEl-0004JJ-lt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:43:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:42:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <6e7d4ca750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <74f852a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <89f284a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <0StX9dDN5yzKFwMR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <754da0a750.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <50a7a10a89charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50a80571afPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <50a80571afPaul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1812 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E6Y6RkW-HlLwvaLpD18A:9 a=149nBKlAuC1JpURaiJYA:7 a=Oak04UKuMBAo0fecDZtedQX-XwcA:4 a=LWhk8tNBv3mDSRRp:21 a=3Ggjhz9bmReHCjQJ:21 In message <50a80571afPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >I may totally misunderstand where it is all about, but isn't 'Proxy' the >feature that covers this problem? I've set mine to 40K, so that every >picture, larger than 40K, will automatically be replaced by a heavily >scaled down version in the document, but when it comes to printing, the >full original size will be used. The thing is that sending the full size original image to the printer can often be a waste of time. If your printer is say 1600 dpi and that is divided by 4 to allow for shades of grey, giving say 400 dpi, you have a 1200 dpi image which is scaled down to 50%. The result is that you're sending six times as much data to the printer as you need to, the PostScript output file will be six times bigger than it needs to be, and however you store the document on disc you'll be using six times the disc space you need. Similar points apply if you are producing PDF's - you need to ask how big is the end used going to view them on screen, would they appreciate a smaller PDF to download. ISTR some PDF generating software lets you scale down btimaps. Whilst working on the document it may be best to keep full size originals, one may not know if images need to be made larger, but for archival purposes an option to scale down would be nice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 11:19:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxHCH-27Gknw-03-998.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:19:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxHCH-27Gknw-03-998; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:28:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxHCH-27Gknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:28:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxHCB-0001sq-VL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:28:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0CF8CB18EF; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2FOv18H4RRrA; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D261ACB16DA; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7EC4CB17C1 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6dPIGRrxPIdT for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx5.orcon.net.nz (mx5.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D762CB16DA for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx5.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MxHBf-0003U7-6B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:27:27 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx5.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MxHBe-0003TM-B5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:27:26 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:26:25 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx5.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:27:27 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 12 22:27:27 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7114 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1813 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fwfwmp3QJ7iGcCeDSkcA:9 a=_9fY0Bc18omz1hmq4noA:7 a=mePsPuAqzmnnpRM_rp1OJCM68hMA:4 Hi all, Just used the new PS3 driver/!PrintPDF to make my first (new) PDF from an OvationPro document... worked a treat in every way, including two graduated fills as frame backgrounds. I checked the output by importing into Artworks2 - this must be the most accurate PDF viewer on RISC OS. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 11:34:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxI41-2Bn000-08-Gnu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:34:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxI41-2Bn000-08-Gnu; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:23:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxI41-2Bn000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:23:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxI40-0004l6-HB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:23:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F1FBCB2CC9; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVcqr4Vt9oAY; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFD02CB2D24; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AE61CB2D27 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nQBlIwMgNu-K for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39AD1CB2D24 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxI3g-0005T3-f5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:23:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:21:57 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1814 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=0AyXh0cidoT4BfUtm50A:7 a=ESBv9JCCNtSeFEjSTTu0uea_i7UA:4 a=72Yt6ZKZ_UW5ZpWa:21 a=pfU1LPNe-_3PbtVV:21 In message <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >Just used the new PS3 driver/!PrintPDF to make my first (new) PDF from an >OvationPro document... worked a treat in every way, including two It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 driver here - then we might be able to summarise them for Archive magazine. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 11:49:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxILr-1V2knw-01-GW4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:49:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxILr-1V2knw-01-GW4; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:42:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxILr-1V2knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:42:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxILo-00068P-Fk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:42:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24C7CCB2BDE; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o4qrZqO+xqwo; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F32FCB2B85; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3210BCB2B8F for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bg5c8NOvmCr for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9B1ECB2B85 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 94-169-180-47.cable.ubr19.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([94.169.180.47] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxILS-0001I8-9M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:41:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1MxILS-0001I8-9M X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1815 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZSml6pyTlU2V1MeouocA:9 a=VWUbM1FLV3cPjqcgeUkA:7 a=uTPreuY-qO5Rb8rSXzVJ8XinjuQA:4 David Pilling wrote: > It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 > driver here - then we might be able to summarise them for Archive > magazine. I was about to do so when I realized it might be more appropriate to send my comments to the PostScript list (), especially as they related to both OvPro and TechWriter... -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 11:49:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxINZ-1qyknw-02-GUM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:49:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxINZ-1qyknw-02-GUM; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:43:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxINZ-1qyknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:43:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxINX-0000wO-U9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:43:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01879CB2C1F; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AlgEycw-N3P1; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 277F4CB2B9A; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05F1ECB2BC2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MSLpYBG14M6W for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB82CCB2B9A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxINH-0004FU-h2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:43:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:42:27 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] In heaven with Windows seven? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1816 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IkibmiMDR1AA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4GxXKYQx-gJWFim6WzwA:9 a=b71FtLXkil1MsgBNmw0A:7 a=gYbV9C-nXicnNCJ-NYKJkHcJhCkA:4 a=L8nNrKnJgCR2Gu49:21 a=YoAHE7hDH7X4q0Lu:21 Hi, Windows 7 is due out at any moment. I'd be interested in anyone's experiences of using my software on it. Reading Archive last week it appears I could have signed up for a pre-release copy, alas I did not. If there are any problems with Windows 7 I will resolve them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:04:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxIW7-0gPVbs-07-GLo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:04:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxIW7-0gPVbs-07-GLo; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:52:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxIW7-0gPVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:52:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxIW4-0001Ia-IQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:52:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2C6CCB2D3C; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gt5RVR4uVF-v; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E679CB2CBD; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2D39CB2C00 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FBvAk6K+dp8 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 165D2CB2CBD for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4009 invoked by uid 89); 12 Oct 2009 10:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 12 Oct 2009 10:52:13 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:54:41 +0800 Message-ID: <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1817 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tgqZDYYLqqC8WPKCs7cA:9 a=kEA99TSeVUjped8Ig5IA:7 a=5KY-DGvvMknApSDDagdnhX6VaEcA:4 a=gwnkhdqg8VwxT-9C:21 a=2qKR-AqNCe412V8U:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes >>Just used the new PS3 driver/!PrintPDF to make my first (new) PDF from an >>OvationPro document... worked a treat in every way, including two > It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 > driver here - then we might be able to summarise them for Archive > magazine. Despite my problems noted in previous posts recently the new PS3 driver is great. Creating PDFs still has the same limitations for us as in the past (ie it won't cope with large documents with lots of images - even if they are jpegs - but this may be due to the GScript end of things) and the output is crisper when examining the images. Keep the print run to a handful of pages and then join the PDFs later to get a whole book as we have done previously and it is fine. At least there appear to be no pixellated, trimmed or missing images that we have had in the past. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:19:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxIlz-1WAVbs-06-G5w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:19:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxIlz-1WAVbs-06-G5w; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxIlz-1WAVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxIlj-0006Ik-Et for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99838CB2B82; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQ-JwksIm-Hw; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0382CB2BCC; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72F6BCB2C86 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O+INmCS2ACfV for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1425CCB2B82 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-20-193-96-dynip.superkabel.de [77.20.193.96]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LxMeg-1MCnoN2KJW-016P7D; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:30 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:01:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1894RPno7IkPT2shx9zZ4ed8dPG/uY0yxM+Jgt TXOr3n5/KFhNZXe5Sas7eOaR4LzMYA1ddwDa6R1zFv/85OeDjV x29rh3Lq3TeCjLeYLfZ6g== X-archive-position: 1818 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vMCRnwH2MY1rQlDqSOkA:9 a=aB6wq80HRYaprn9G2aUA:7 a=QQSh6orqYTCW5gITL5V5E2kTHMEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In message <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> Robert Greenfield wrote: > Just used the new PS3 driver/!PrintPDF to make my first (new) PDF from an > OvationPro document... worked a treat in every way, including two > graduated fills as frame backgrounds. > I checked the output by importing into Artworks2 - this must be the most > accurate PDF viewer on RISC OS. Not at all. Not by a huge margin. ArtWorks2 is a very inaccurate PDF viewer by design - because it gives you an editable representation limited to the ArtWorks feature set. Ghostscript is near perfect, so using that (e.g., via GView) is the only sensible option to preview PostScript/PDF output on RISC OS if you want to know what the file contents really look like. That said, ArtWorks supports graduated fills in PDF files, so it should be able to import them back when reading PDFs created via the PS3 driver. A quick test here indicates that it does. Anyway - you really need to check the PDF file in GView first. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:19:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxIm3-0rpVbs-04-G5s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:19:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxIm3-0rpVbs-04-G5s; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxIm3-0rpVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxIly-0007Cr-0h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC282CB2CB7; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVGfR7mMKiUY; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB9ACCB2C8C; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3039CB2B82 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXKvG2BcqTc2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41C86CB2BCC for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-20-193-96-dynip.superkabel.de [77.20.193.96]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MFQw8-1N2qfS0YNQ-00ErYj; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:30 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:09:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+bXBakFNBonti2j5wf4IAuh/QBMQQICH2roYM XCtoajwxUU76WYCjxF9QkztaEY7EUWmax5gbXc9HDI52fkE3xm 5w7Q2Qoja8CEFIR0mlhQA== X-archive-position: 1819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dEPb5x3BAyg0gxOvfzwA:9 a=bpv_0fzgY5GN6KfKrtwA:7 a=LvoYdNuz4bnJo73P6N1pFxS0wBsA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=AUyebs0z7q-8AWT-:21 a=EgJoN9_-D5QntCyU:21 In message <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> Ross McGuinness wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield >> writes >>>Just used the new PS3 driver/!PrintPDF to make my first (new) PDF from an >>>OvationPro document... worked a treat in every way, including two >> It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 >> driver here - then we might be able to summarise them for Archive >> magazine. > Despite my problems noted in previous posts recently the new PS3 > driver is great. Creating PDFs still has the same limitations for us > as in the past (ie it won't cope with large documents with lots of > images - even if they are jpegs - but this may be due to the GScript > end of things) No, there are no limits at the Ghostscript end of things as far as I am aware. Nor are there any limits at the PostScript2/3 end of things as far as I am aware. I am not quite sure what makes you speculate at all. It is easy to notice at which end an error occurs because the two steps of generating the PostScript file and feeding it to Ghostscript for PDF conversion are completely separate. In PrintPDF, for instance, you need to drag the PDF icon to a Filer window inbetween, so you know exactly whether an error occurs during the PostScript printing process or during the PDF generation process. What you cannot distinguish easily is what the error is caused by if it happens during the first stage, i.e., the PostScript printing process - it could either be caused by the printing application or the driver. As far as I am aware neither the PostScript2 driver nor the PostScript3 driver consume any significant amount of memory. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:19:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxImo-0P4Vbs-01-G57.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:19:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxImo-0P4Vbs-01-G57; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxImo-0P4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxIml-0004C7-Ra for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6009DCB2C86; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rkqqu4zqLAEJ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0654BCB2045; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61057441CD4 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gJ1isDrHqh3M for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f205.google.com (mail-ew0-f205.google.com [209.85.219.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04B7ACB21B9 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so686742ewy.34 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.7.24 with SMTP id 24mr6869550ebg.48.1255345773319; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (81-20-176-238.dsl0.newtelsolutions.net [81.20.176.238]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm10556eyz.20.2009.10.12.04.09.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0A4B7B5D-1665-44AD-8006-6830F1B2787B@talibard.com> From: Michael Talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:09:30 +0100 References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-archive-position: 1820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wGmuDo_I93QOeCPkvTkA:9 a=UMQwUvQyl8ls0w_P7HgA:7 a=Huf8ZkNmVMf3rpG6iUN4potnGIAA:4 > David Pilling wrote: > >> It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 >> driver here - then we might be able to summarise them for Archive >> magazine. Sorry to come to this so late - but could somebody kindly tell me how to obtain this PS3 driver? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:19:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxIwC-4dxknw-08-Fvj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:19:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxIwC-4dxknw-08-Fvj; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:19:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxIwC-4dxknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:19:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxIwA-0005DJ-Jc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:19:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 498D5CB2CB7; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lUq9tDAWQrkW; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94EE3CB21FF; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 659DACB2B82 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzl1Vehhowkq for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24EC4CB21FF for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxIvu-0003YE-mV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:19:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:17:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1821 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=5W27DJsCWugs4e2Sf6oA:7 a=3JCr60slSX_mRwwzHNjSrXXfo2QA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=5j4TLjHK6ho3XSgp:21 a=ayZ6vCSvVz2elrgk:21 In message <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle>, Bruce Goatly writes >> It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 >I was about to do so when I realized it might be more appropriate to >send my comments to the PostScript list >(), especially as they >related to both OvPro and TechWriter... How long has the above list been going? There are the makings of some interesting stuff there. I was thinking of comments about the user experience, something beyond "it's fab", and something less technical than a dissection of the Adobe Red Book. It would probably help Martin and John's cause if such thoughts were expressed in a general forum somewhere. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:34:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxIyK-35iVbs-06-Ftb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxIyK-35iVbs-06-Ftb; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:21:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxIyK-35iVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:21:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxIyG-000679-TQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:21:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EB14CB2CD0; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B3GEuNBLvIYw; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CD01CB2B7B; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C3E3CB2CBC for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIKve3Kc2vbI for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A447CB2B7B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:21:25 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAPqt0krUnw6S/2dsb2JhbADWXIQtBA Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2009 12:21:24 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1MxIxv-0004nM-Db for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:21:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: David Pilling Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:20:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: In heaven with Windows seven? Message-ID: <50a90c1262chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: f3cb73361d90ccf1eb5850ef925a388f X-archive-position: 1822 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H_6fYzF-QtUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hEHkziNJdNGjeodmfGwA:9 a=B2M2t71wEDhyE0mvwjgA:7 a=CxrtPhe1KPfoAJqSbc0mskenVf0A:4 a=-SdAENiYVcOoSSvk:21 a=H_mfAju61jhZSz8z:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > If there are any problems with Windows 7 I will resolve them. I hope Bill Gates will generously compensate you 8o) Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:34:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxJ45-0cvknw-03-Fnq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxJ45-0cvknw-03-Fnq; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:27:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxJ45-0cvknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:27:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxJ41-0006DF-7O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:27:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32FCECB22A6; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id imGe4PSpK9jW; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A638CB2235; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3407DCB2230 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZVaxVHTk5w13 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC006CB2235 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxJ3j-0002CD-YL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:27:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:26:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1823 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=dJAlovwqmyB5K_G3MQ8A:7 a=aq1A-hkeiZL-kzQMTN0ZMBY8hlYA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=DHWrDKivLfEsp82w:21 a=MuYGePYWY2MYP29F:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >In message <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> > Ross McGuinness wrote: >> driver is great. Creating PDFs still has the same limitations for us >> as in the past (ie it won't cope with large documents with lots of >> images - even if they are jpegs - but this may be due to the GScript >> end of things) >Martin It's getting to the point where someone needs to look at an example of the above "large document" problem and decides where the problem is. Ross - if you've got a particularly nasty example, feel free to email it to Martin. (or me) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:49:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxJGO-4EtVbs-02-FbX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:49:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxJGO-4EtVbs-02-FbX; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:40:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxJGO-4EtVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:40:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxJGL-0000jC-W6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:40:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4424CB2BE2; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwP99a+8P2kx; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEC35CB2619; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA410CB2B7F for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGbU14TuwIJg for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B54CCB2619 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-203-63.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.63]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9CBe4BV010343 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:40:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:40:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1824 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=DzCCEwQK5xONmUbNNTkA:9 a=T7Li0yq1SySExBgE6P0A:7 a=gx7Rk2A4YE34cB9XxihDmAjGjbAA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=tbgDJM8G_mCH176f:21 a=60cp_Io0AIVtsBt4:21 On 12 Oct 2009 David Pilling wrote: > In message <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle>, Bruce Goatly > writes >>> It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 >>I was about to do so when I realized it might be more appropriate to >>send my comments to the PostScript list >>(), especially as they >>related to both OvPro and TechWriter... > How long has the above list been going? There are the makings of some > interesting stuff there. Since 8 October; http://www.freelists.org/list/riscos-ps to subscribe. HTH, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 12:49:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxJP7-03E000-07-FSo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:49:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxJP7-03E000-07-FSo; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:49:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxJP7-03E000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:49:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxJP1-0004LL-EW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:49:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5063CB2C38; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lpMf3hETJMT5; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CAD1CB269B; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70810CB2C06 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 70ASSOVQ-uUq for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32C79CB269B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 94-169-180-47.cable.ubr19.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([94.169.180.47] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJOe-0002T4-5T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:49:00 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:49:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1MxJOe-0002T4-5T X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1825 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CCzEYyqTP-cify07yxYA:9 a=vcazO_UIYnhqr5xoLUMA:7 a=O9EgVid3YUL1Q_suAtAFl1O7fnYA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 David Pilling wrote: > In message <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle>, Bruce Goatly > writes >>> It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 >> I was about to do so when I realized it might be more appropriate >> to >> send my comments to the PostScript list >> (), especially as they >> related to both OvPro and TechWriter... > > > How long has the above list been going? There are the makings of > some > interesting stuff there. I'm afraid I don't know - I can't find a way of accessing the archive (if there is one). I joined only last week, when PS3 was announced. But it looks like a useful resource. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 13:04:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxJYZ-4Lgknw-03-FJM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:04:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxJYZ-4Lgknw-03-FJM; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:59:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxJYZ-4Lgknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:59:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxJYW-0004nc-DW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:59:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BD92CB23D1; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:59:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RB3G7EiEMnCe; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49B0BCB109A; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:58:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2686BCB1380 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:58:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xcpo9U995Ahm for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1D2CCB109A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-116.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.116] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJYD-000PSv-Fc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:58:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:45:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1826 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Q6cP-qeLO895ZdpMXCAA:9 a=j_btCcnHlP9JPKp6JqgA:7 a=CjbmiBa6fPtzr2T-xoLCG9uulOwA:4 David Pilling wrote on 12 Oct: > I was thinking of comments about the user experience, something beyond > "it's fab", and something less technical than a dissection of the Adobe > Red Book. > It would probably help Martin and John's cause if such thoughts were > expressed in a general forum somewhere. as David anticipated (thanks) in a slightly earlier posting, i'm already concocting just such an article for Archive magazine. any such comments (perhaps with screenshots or such) are very welcome. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 >> before emailing large files (>1Mb), please ask me for FTP details To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 13:19:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxJlr-1PdVbs-03-F64.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:19:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxJlr-1PdVbs-03-F64; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:12:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxJlr-1PdVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:12:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxJlo-0005TD-33 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:12:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89020CB2C00; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wMc4mM1QvgNK; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92F6DCB2904; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 701AACB10EE for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sDaZtTUam+G4 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141BBCB2904 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-20-193-96-dynip.superkabel.de [77.20.193.96]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lb6pZ-1MZ0Un0pFx-00l9qX; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:12:37 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:13:40 +0200 Message-ID: <57eb10a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1804554fhr1Ua3SuQ64yjn3KAQt8qOJZWXwzIx jaGgSdQpyatn0rjv1p/W8IB0DhEItbbjDxL39uZZ6+keFRA4fm aehjT06PySB+HFWErmTGg== X-archive-position: 1827 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=_c841HrIjypvUbb02wwA:9 a=OAjLecmj4SKfIn_fh2cA:7 a=87C2wfeLBnB_WAKV6_t8m1w_HDoA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=J7kZak_XPxGtk_Y8:21 a=wPdhwM6cJcUIYDBl:21 In message "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle>, Bruce Goatly >> writes >>> I was about to do so when I realized it might be more appropriate to >>> send my comments to the PostScript list >>> (), especially as they >>> related to both OvPro and TechWriter... >> >> How long has the above list been going? There are the makings of some >> interesting stuff there. > I'm afraid I don't know - I can't find a way of accessing the archive > (if there is one). Someone posted the URL to the archive above. Ah, that was Bruce Goatly, you probably know the guy. ;-) Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 14:35:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxKYb-2QTGPo-03-EJK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxKYb-2QTGPo-03-EJK; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:03:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxKYb-2QTGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:03:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxKYX-0000nU-SF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:03:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BADECB23C4; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Z9SZsRb3KAf; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C821CB1B33; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59AB4CB2074 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9mH6KwRA7Y6w for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B93ACB1B33 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 94-169-180-47.cable.ubr19.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([94.169.180.47] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxKY9-0003WV-UT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:02:53 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> <57eb10a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1MxKY9-0003WV-UT X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1828 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=B9kOuyFuINJYeqGv5lsA:9 a=YUOLNvbDTzCq5i9si_wA:7 a=7SJCXdr1A1lVygleybbbCO4hV8EA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > "Bruce Goatly" wrote: >> I'm afraid I don't know - I can't find a way of accessing the >> archive >> (if there is one). > > Someone posted the URL to the archive above. Ah, that was Bruce > Goatly, you probably know the guy. ;-) As I said, I can't find a way of accessing the archive. The link I gave doesn't do more for me than show a list of options ('List Information', 'Available Textfiles' and 'Available Commands', with sub-options from the first and last), none of which are the archive. I find the FreeLists site most unhelpful and impenetrable. Maybe others' mileage varies. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 14:35:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxKvW-2H1000-03-DwP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxKvW-2H1000-03-DwP; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:27:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxKvW-2H1000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:27:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxKvQ-0006Ha-0Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:27:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF87BCB2CB9; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtezYRfWZdRf; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3F9CCB2CAA; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C16B7CB2CB5 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rhT-tp6NRcAp for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67CA2CB2CAA for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-20-193-96-dynip.superkabel.de [77.20.193.96]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MN912-1Mv9410nxA-007Chf; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:26:37 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:28:01 +0200 Message-ID: <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> <57eb10a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dbbzDhRflDp+CNdA8nTaRe1oea6onnBCp0k7 TsdooN7jJUjrra2cb68fB9Em7fsybpFIY99X0tGvSfMzdZdvL2 pd0ev7tjFfFsvZvl/61Sw== X-archive-position: 1829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=iOzb64izYggrPPlCtP8A:9 a=kOveNZ4VTXjJiOHZzsoA:7 a=aQ9jBJgUVg0eJouSjoHcP46y6wsA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=tbEReu3t8oluxkhW:21 a=gNsITvZgp8n9oUqj:21 In message "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message >> "Bruce Goatly" wrote: >>> I'm afraid I don't know - I can't find a way of accessing the archive >>> (if there is one). >> >> Someone posted the URL to the archive above. Ah, that was Bruce >> Goatly, you probably know the guy. ;-) > As I said, I can't find a way of accessing the archive. The link I > gave doesn't do more for me than show a list of options ('List > Information', 'Available Textfiles' and 'Available Commands', with > sub-options from the first and last), none of which are the archive. Are you sure? There is a page with the content you quoted but that is a completely different page. It is the page you get when you log in. Yes, I agree it is confusing that that page does not give a link to the archive. However, the page whose URL you quoted above, http://www.freelists.org/list/riscos-ps (repeated for clarification) has none of the items you quoted but instead has, amongst others, a link labelled "List archive": Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 15:20:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxLYt-2PhGPo-07-DJ2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxLYt-2PhGPo-07-DJ2; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:07:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxLYt-2PhGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:07:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxLYq-0005fz-F1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:07:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0373ECB2CFE; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-4s5bAe8-pV; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1FF4CB22C0; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0734CB2C6B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVX3tDSmpZH2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72545CB22C0 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxLYY-0005JF-jw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:07:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:06:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> <57eb10a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1830 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=16BF3lVmgV0G0ZUCJU8A:9 a=kPwTejOSBuHvHX5U5TkA:7 a=aMsq2F36L-l74KiEs7PpFRFhTLsA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=5kC76h5dzNrgbMF0:21 a=AIzwCu-O8M1ylL3c:21 >> Following is an email bounced because of << >> Non-member submission to closed-post list. << >> From william.lack@btinternet.com Mon Oct 12 07:26:09 2009 << On 12 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > It would be good if people posted their experiences of the new PS3 > driver here - then we might be able to summarise them for Archive > magazine. Fron the viewpoint of someone using a lot of 1 bpp images, the new driver is superb. On the RO platform I can now produce PDFs which display perfectly and are every bit as good and quick to render as those produced by Acrobat. The old Postscript2 driver cut 1 bpp images into small bits which were visible when PDFs were displayed and must have slowed things down. Thankyou MW & JT. William Lack william.lack@btinternet.com County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 15:20:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxLaq-0fjGPo-04-DH5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxLaq-0fjGPo-04-DH5; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxLaq-0fjGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxLam-0000kn-K3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 808D8CB2D2F; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N45C+xRT303w; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61B94CB2D01; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3582DCB2CEB for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y+I02sk1GZyf for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECD9CCB2221 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxLaV-0005uO-o6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:08:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> <57eb10a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1831 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=NWGNx9AAUWERm2aRLHMA:9 a=X5HdkMTfMcFX0Ef_Y90A:7 a=F17VaUSZpWWHEBv6Jhl8VrMB63YA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=Gc_H1onWqTvbdk_J:21 a=OJ8I_HWgGK4kOgY8:21 In message <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >In message > "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>> In message >>> "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > >>>> I'm afraid I don't know - I can't find a way of accessing the archive >>>> (if there is one). http://www.freelists.org/archive/riscos-ps/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 15:20:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxLhz-0zyGPo-01-D9w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxLhz-0zyGPo-01-D9w; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxLhz-0zyGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxLhx-0004l8-A0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1553ECB2CFE; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:17:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xuj5TK6AI6DT; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BB28CB1AF2; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 263EECB2CE4 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPkrjfYcIJfG for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEBCECB1AF2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 94-169-180-47.cable.ubr19.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([94.169.180.47] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxLhX-0005N6-SR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:16:39 +0000 Message-ID: <75F32A11313C4E959253D1BB216B90CE@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> <57eb10a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <0eba17a950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:16:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1MxLhX-0005N6-SR X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ii9CYpLX7wIYitE2UgAA:9 a=HnXf13uqeugTJEE_YK0A:7 a=YDhIOBRsZWCTaEMu4O8BiT5_TvMA:4 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Yes, I agree it is confusing that that page does not give a link to > the archive. However, the page whose URL you quoted above, > http://www.freelists.org/list/riscos-ps > (repeated for clarification) has none of the items you quoted but > instead has, amongst others, a link labelled "List archive": Ah - I see what you mean. That seems completely counterintuitive to me, and unless I'm missing something (such as a 'log out' option, if the login relates to the logged-in IP rather than any given open session on a browser) it's apparently possible to view the list archive without logging in. Very odd. The FAQ doesn't help much - the question 'Are there archives of my list?' is under 'For List Owners', which is implies that users shouldn't be interested in this. But enough of my moans about the medium. The message is the thing. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 16:20:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxMYv-3Id000-08-CJ0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:20:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxMYv-3Id000-08-CJ0; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:11:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxMYv-3Id000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:11:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxMYu-0006HW-NX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:11:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 218DECB2C6B; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JxWZe9x8WHdE; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B26CB2729; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2680CB2809 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXfY1X+p5Djg for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B637BCB2729 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 94-169-180-47.cable.ubr19.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([94.169.180.47] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxMYU-0004Q9-0A for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:11:22 +0000 Message-ID: <0B392F7082D5474BB2FFC2CE2357B4CE@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: In heaven with Windows seven? Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:11:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1MxMYU-0004Q9-0A X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H_6fYzF-QtUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0v698QePtjY6tqxuDmkA:9 a=hz6A8p5VchGWpbq_v-gA:7 a=rzxLd_wtIoD_qcJiABG5TqFCZm8A:4 David Pilling wrote: > Windows 7 is due out at any moment. I'd be interested in anyone's > experiences of using my software on it. I've had Windows 7 RC running under Parallels on my iMac for some time now, and in the spirit of investigation I've just installed OvPro Win and DPScan on it (probably in contravention of the licence - sorry about that). Both seem to work fine, though I've not been able to test OvPro much because the only documents I can find readily have non-Windows fonts in them. But it seems to work exactly as it does on my XP machine. Hope this is helpful. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 17:20:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxNYT-1tMVbs-08-BJS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:20:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxNYT-1tMVbs-08-BJS; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:15:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxNYT-1tMVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:15:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxNYR-0007g4-UW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:15:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B178CB2E68; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQQg14fMG-wS; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A8F1CB2744; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 549BDCB26E8 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YcnBGE9vrzst for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31852CB2E64 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23878 invoked by uid 89); 12 Oct 2009 16:15:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 12 Oct 2009 16:15:02 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:17:21 +0800 Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1834 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r80iflf5cIZo7QwAnycA:9 a=HsMO7uNexY9K0KpbODwA:7 a=Icj-KvT9-fZ0F43J9TwHM4zeGisA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=S4lJUfz37nqMalBp:21 a=FL1HT8twHfRQntdZ:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes >>In message <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> >> Ross McGuinness wrote: >>> driver is great. Creating PDFs still has the same limitations for us >>> as in the past (ie it won't cope with large documents with lots of >>> images - even if they are jpegs - but this may be due to the GScript >>> end of things) >>Martin > It's getting to the point where someone needs to look at an example of > the above "large document" problem and decides where the problem is. > Ross - if you've got a particularly nasty example, feel free to email it > to Martin. Thanks for the offer. I'll have to 'extract' a section and put it on a DVD/CD and post as it would be too slow and large for email. Will try to get it done this week. Regards Ross > (or me) -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 17:35:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxNrG-0Wz000-07-B0f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:35:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxNrG-0Wz000-07-B0f; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:34:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxNrG-0Wz000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:34:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxNrE-0006Jj-AC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:34:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C867CB2D9C; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TXeS-dbzsbX2; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 297F6CB2D32; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07638CB2D3B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4SFL4wx9416Y for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCEAECB2D32 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MxNqw-0002Iu-lC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:34:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:33:29 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1835 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=17oc4D_jm-TYobXBOZIA:7 a=h6SOHxIWt1P0tm8iB5VLuUaMD1oA:4 a=nIv7dwF9jJ__CWsc:21 a=Ur-i3z1ITFJmAB9x:21 In message , Ross McGuinness writes >I'll have to 'extract' a section and put it on a DVD/CD and post as it >would be too slow and large for email. I tend to put big files on web space when I want to send them someone. Bear in mind you can zip the file - won't help if the images are JPEGs, and we're only after the smallest example that demos the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 18:20:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxOOa-3xc000-07-ATL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:20:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxOOa-3xc000-07-ATL; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:09:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxOOa-3xc000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:09:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxOOV-0003jq-Lh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:09:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37DA4CB2EEC; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:09:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4RLAHBoo6sqV; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33449CB2E2E; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DACE9CB2F14 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykkk9ZNGQT9T for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from claranet-outbound-smtp06.uk.clara.net (claranet-outbound-smtp06.uk.clara.net [195.8.89.39]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83CACCB2E44 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-2-solo-173-57.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.173.57]:1221 helo=standalone.denyswells.clara.co.uk) by relay06.mail.eu.clara.net (relay.clara.net [213.253.3.46]:1025) with esmtp id 1MxOOA-0006Un-Kc (Exim 4.69) for davidpilling@freelists.org (return-path ); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:08:50 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.5.421 [270.14.12/2431]); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:10:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Denys Wells X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:10:12 +0100 Message-ID: <55112ca950.dmw@denyswells.clara.co.uk> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-68E81170=======" X-archive-position: 1836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: denyswells@clara.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=3A-uE9tCStKwfBwrKDwA:9 a=nYO9GK5bJCYSFrtcNBtlRKo6MHEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=PqLFXzpZInPHo0lB:21 a=yddWJtv4C05cyyPS:21 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ioQg3_8zKFW7bzW4BJ0A:9 a=h778PNRMzPPtuwG1P9wA:7 a=z8OqfjOkd33uYUcs_owr5BU_to4A:4 --=======AVGMAIL-68E81170======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes >>In message <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> >> Ross McGuinness wrote: >>> driver is great. Creating PDFs still has the same limitations for us >>> as in the past (ie it won't cope with large documents with lots of >>> images - even if they are jpegs - but this may be due to the GScript >>> end of things) >>Martin > It's getting to the point where someone needs to look at an example of > the above "large document" problem and decides where the problem is. > Ross - if you've got a particularly nasty example, feel free to email it > to Martin. I wonder if my past experience in making a pdf from a large OPro document (170 pages, no graphics, 705k as OPro file) may be relevant to this discussion. I run VRPCAdjust on WinXP, so have two choices for making PDFs from OPro, either via !PrintPDF/PostScript2, or taking the ps output (1034k) from PoScript2 directly over to PDFCreator under Windows. Ghostscript 8.53 is installed on both RISCOS and on Windows. If I use the all RISCOS approach, ps to pdf conversion is desperately slow with this big document, 30 minutes and counting, with a lot more to go. With GS on Windows the same ps file converts to PDF (88k file) in a couple of minutes at most. With one small exception only Type 1 fonts are used, embedded in the document (generally fonts from EFF which are available to be installed on both the RISCOS and PC sides). To my inexpert mind this suggests a big difference in the speed of Ghostscript between the two platforms, which is acceptable for documents of only a few pages, but makes it unuseable on RISCOS for large ones. Does this help at all, or is it just a red herring? -- Denys Wells --=======AVGMAIL-68E81170======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-2F836C61=======" --=======AVGMAIL-2F836C61======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. 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To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:47:14 +0200 Message-ID: <8d752fa950.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <55112ca950.dmw@denyswells.clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <55112ca950.dmw@denyswells.clara.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+BBggAR69xaX9FbDX0dbsLPREWM/VZvSLAkqI TYAZmZus+F5BT2nq2AHasIEA8h4eaYt7f6JCpRcaUOT6M+i8xu lvfq/1GJe8NALqcEnPvRQ== X-archive-position: 1837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=n4C18ymXAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pmEGxCVMGKIj3wreV20A:9 a=GIqfTAhBc8oUBc1MWEcA:7 a=1My2q1ZSMB456L01JdxvqEWaH0EA:4 a=olTT4zG3R5sA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=EgITZu7Rejh1o4Y-:21 a=BqdphcEYaPsnUgYM:21 In message <55112ca950.dmw@denyswells.clara.co.uk> Denys Wells wrote: >>>In message <55b009a950.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> >>> Ross McGuinness wrote: >>>> driver is great. Creating PDFs still has the same limitations for us >>>> as in the past (ie it won't cope with large documents with lots of >>>> images - even if they are jpegs - but this may be due to the GScript >>>> end of things) > [...] > To my inexpert mind this suggests a big difference in the speed of > Ghostscript between the two platforms, which is acceptable for > documents of only a few pages, but makes it unuseable on RISCOS for > large ones. > Does this help at all, or is it just a red herring? This is a red herring because speed is not an issue here. This is about coping or not coping with large documents at all (i.e., stopping with an error). Of course, converting a large document will take some time and your emulated RISC OS system is at least an order of magnitude slower than your native PC, so it is not a surprise that it takes much longer. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 20:54:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxQs1-2r1knw-03-GWQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:54:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxQs1-2r1knw-03-GWQ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:47:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxQs1-2r1knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:47:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxQry-000172-H5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:47:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F7C2CB31BD; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4bgg5JLdx4pg; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 613F9CB3154; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31B6CCB268B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLDCtSnfC6mK for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.16]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3913CB316A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 146268640/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-ACCEPTED/f2s-freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.110.177/None/briancarroll@f2s.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.110.177 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: briancarroll@f2s.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FAN8j00rDiW6x/2dsb2JhbACZer0UhC0E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,547,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="146268640" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net (HELO wallace.) ([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2009 20:47:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:16:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1838 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X9r9VIro05a8fZZUPl0A:9 a=C__8FJScT-Dra0Y_aWYA:7 a=qNiH789qXfkHrcMF-P-jd7qIzSMA:4 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=MQtXmRf-mWKFyJnY:21 a=m5GPlzbcTza_KB3G:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <2FC488B73ECC496A8A7107B498A3766A@Shuttle>, Bruce > Goatly writes > >> It would be good if people posted their experiences of the > >> new PS3 > >I was about to do so when I realized it might be more > >appropriate to send my comments to the PostScript list > >(), especially as > >they related to both OvPro and TechWriter... > How long has the above list been going? There are the makings > of some interesting stuff there. It has been operating only for a week. I had no problem signing up though I am already a Freelists user. > I was thinking of comments about the user experience, > something beyond "it's fab", and something less technical than > a dissection of the Adobe Red Book. > It would probably help Martin and John's cause if such > thoughts were expressed in a general forum somewhere. Certainly it would, and I believe the new maillist is the right place, even though there has been much interesting stuff in this thread (which has many more posts so far than the new maillist). Perhaps Martin W or John T who 'own' the new list might want to copy this thread to it, for the sake of completeness. And if you agree my view, you could discourage new threads being started here: unless it is something specifically Ovation/PS3 of course. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 12 22:39:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MxSPm-03kknw-06-Eyf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:39:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MxSPm-03kknw-06-Eyf; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:26:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MxSPm-03kknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:26:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MxSPj-0000D0-Ld for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:26:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93F59CB3056; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZKdRL53grU4; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0127CB2FFA; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B82B8CB3015 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tIGLF2qMkLQ9 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hel.is.scarlet.be (hel.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62CFFCB2FFA for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-160-65.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.160.65]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9CLQNFm022180 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:26:24 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1255382784; bh=tSZrFakRqBm0Nw1Rxkk8AzET1rTqMqf1KQsY13LCh6M=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZCuYTOdZsfzw96LBW4xEHyEl5j6GzlaZVcEDj0wyTIUYiAeMQSYr8XQ8rBMH06Jl5 JONPOp15fJzJTBvcT5qW06tkio4CUc2SuzK42zDZWrXsojz8DKBfTApYgtF1oSvTZy vkVpaCb1xAP3Pc37M4vFfesOL/9nTOsH/Igqp+8w= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.17) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-archive-position: 1839 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=KOXtiJNbziWHMFmkjDQA:7 a=voaga9tJtJMPsS-nNGcO6MCSM4wA:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> you wrote: > Perhaps Martin W or John T who 'own' the new list might want to > copy this thread to it, for the sake of completeness. And if > you agree my view, you could discourage new threads being > started here: unless it is something specifically Ovation/PS3 of > course. Personally I would like to see all relevant PostScript RISC OS discussions to happen in the riscos-ps mailing list (and that's not limited to our driver btw). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 21 18:27:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N0eu7-0hdknw-04-CYC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:27:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N0eu7-0hdknw-04-CYC; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N0eu7-0hdknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N0eu4-0005uC-7A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:23:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78001CB4AC1; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0JtzgUQeqKEg; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FF38CB4A85; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15784CB4AA1 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qyv3P-Q6O8GR for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2114CB4A85 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N0etm-0003CT-Y6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:22:58 +0000 Message-ID: <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:21:24 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1840 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Iiito8HDAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=ELxZaohxAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GXc4cjej1KqNcmWmJikA:9 a=nAG22IDZFfFrLTzw2yUA:7 a=akmmVUJpq-BVh83wpZRA0iz-DlwA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=Dz9s3nf0YtJOmbWB:21 a=B_vZ2XyJ0CX8fb0n:21 In message , John Tytgat writes >Personally I would like to see all relevant PostScript RISC OS discussions >to happen in the riscos-ps mailing list (and that's not limited to our >driver btw). That put an end to discussion. We talked of sending large files, I have just seen mention of: http://www.yousendit.com/ which may be of interest, if you want to send a large file and you have no web space of your own. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 21 21:27:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N0hcp-2pvGPo-02-9pU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:27:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N0hcp-2pvGPo-02-9pU; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:17:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N0hcp-2pvGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:17:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N0hcn-0007O9-2m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:17:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70034CB4705; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0CqD2kqIWuqH; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50946CB4440; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29C06CB4363 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVVtL7MU-k9h for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE2ECCB4440 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0hcP-0002WY-0G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:17:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gav Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:19:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4af0dfad50.Crawfords@mail> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1841 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ELxZaohxAAAA:8 a=xKbAUCGuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CuJ284oCv33uEhWnqAQA:9 a=WmL_rkv7gXfb-xXKf6wA:7 a=KO69ro2ktBL5TSqBwr-1EenfMFYA:4 a=qaZuUlP3zXjExLRd:21 a=MrieLk-tmsqBIW_e:21 In message <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > We talked of sending large files, I have just seen mention of: > http://www.yousendit.com/ > which may be of interest, if you want to send a large file and you have > no web space of your own. Another free service is http://www.mailbigfile.com which I've used many times. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 21 22:57:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N0j0H-2bvknw-07-GyY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:57:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N0j0H-2bvknw-07-GyY; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:45:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N0j0H-2bvknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:45:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N0j0F-0002jQ-6P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:45:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 818FBCB4306; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id igQYa6YJlLNn; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D387CB36A4; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BB2ACB423F for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BV1WvisWvgPk for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4C90CB36A4 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-27-100.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.27.100] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0izx-0006kD-40 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:45:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] file-transfer service (was: PostScript 3: It all started here...) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:39:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1d41e7ad50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af0dfad50.Crawfords@mail> In-Reply-To: <4af0dfad50.Crawfords@mail> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1842 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=l5f6fKkZ91QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ELxZaohxAAAA:8 a=xKbAUCGuAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dC_3YBT77VrM3Tv9QIMA:9 a=HwErXOdjA3IWJdhsggsA:7 a=96OqyG7HLJoyICT0rQXmnXCSoWIA:4 David Pilling wrote: >> http://www.yousendit.com may be of interest, if you want to send a >> large file and you have no web space of your own. unforch for RiscOS users, Yousendit demands that Javascript be switched on in order to upload files. Gav Crawford wrote on 21 Oct : > Another free service is http://www.mailbigfile.com which I've used > many times. this was more promising. it's British, it's free, and, amazingly, you can upload a file by drag-and-drop -- none of this maddening American Windows and Mac palaver of renavigating the file system to get to the file in the directory that's already sitting open in front of you. an email message arrives almost immediately with a simple URL to click to download the file. unfortunately, downloading seems to require Javascript. you don't even get a message to say so; it just sits there saying "Checking file availability". Gavin, have i missed something? have you managed to download with a RiscOS browser? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 22 17:56:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N0rvk-2fqGPo-07-GZb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:56:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N0rvk-2fqGPo-07-GZb; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:17:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N0rvk-2fqGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:17:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N0rvd-0004U1-SR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:17:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 611A1CB433F; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UJDz8YOHV1Xn; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7020FCB4591; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D3DCB469B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uf9k3Wt2oAde for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B1DBCB4591 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0rvI-00029a-96 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:17:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: file-transfer service (was: PostScript 3: It all started here...) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gav Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:13:45 +0100 Message-ID: <58d21bae50.Crawfords@mail> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4af0dfad50.Crawfords@mail> <1d41e7ad50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1d41e7ad50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1843 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ny5iUJmppF8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=xKbAUCGuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SwNblMYNj1GUTGGTjOQA:9 a=MrpyMGtjxNdXwSHHLEkA:7 a=ZRtIovwdZcJM98ECEhj1u0XPFKcA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=uMZQP99E_njNgKr2:21 a=hDEFdcfeDRbncgKc:21 In message <1d41e7ad50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel wrote: > Gav Crawford wrote on 21 Oct : >> Another free service is http://www.mailbigfile.com which I've used >> many times. > unfortunately, downloading seems to require Javascript. you don't > even get a message to say so; it just sits there saying "Checking file > availability". > Gavin, have i missed something? have you managed to download with a > RiscOS browser? I have done in the past , using NetSurf but it looks they've changed things recently with the addition of the javascript code. Annoyingly, it only seems to be there to give instructions on how to download the file. I thought for a moment I'd found a work around. Looking through the source of the webpage I can see a link that when launched, shows a download link to the file, but sadly, when clicked leads to an 'Empty document' error. So unfortunately it no longer works on RISC OS. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 11:46:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N17O5-0HzGPo-02-9dm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:46:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N17O5-0HzGPo-02-9dm; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:48:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N17O5-0HzGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:48:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N17Nw-0002N3-3c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:48:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 643C2CB2997; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXGZNup4eNrp; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 288B0CB2986; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3225CB2997 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKfxc5RvfXUy for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7750ECB2986 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091022234737.UAYR17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:47:37 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091022234737.DCTI22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:47:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:47:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA537A.676B4800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Cq0EfH-P0R--2RUSAy8A:9 a=1EOBNiyJM1zZUPMDgYXIMtYjs60A:4 a=B6Tyqk9o2XEmyFSOy28A:9 a=ONQjw4O3gmZ6bRx9DVAA:7 a=PA0mAClYtMcUWALIYeYhMa72ySYA:4 X-archive-position: 1844 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q7iKUBDiENoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Cq0EfH-P0R--2RUSAy8A:9 a=1EOBNiyJM1zZUPMDgYXIMtYjs60A:4 a=B6Tyqk9o2XEmyFSOy28A:9 a=ONQjw4O3gmZ6bRx9DVAA:7 a=PA0mAClYtMcUWALIYeYhMa72ySYA:4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA537A.676B4800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, David, I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and I have a referenced Draw file as = a picture. If I alter the Draw file so as to increase the size of the = bounding box then when I re-open the document, Ovation seems only to = reload that part of the Draw file which is still within the original = bounding box. This means that even if I then reduce the picture scale, = I still cannot display the whole drawing. The only way I can get the = whole picture is to reload the Draw file, which means that I lose all = the local picture settings and the relative path name. Any ideas? Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA537A.676B4800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, David,
 
I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and = I have a=20 referenced Draw file as a picture.  If I alter the Draw file so as = to=20 increase the size of the bounding box then when I re-open the document, = Ovation=20 seems only to reload that part of the Draw file which is still within = the=20 original bounding box.   This means that even if I = then=20 reduce the picture scale, I still cannot display the whole = drawing.  The=20 only way I can get the whole picture is to reload the Draw file, which = means=20 that I lose all the local picture settings and the relative path = name.  Any=20 ideas?
 
Regards
John Grogan
 
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CA537A.676B4800-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 17:16:15 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1Mc8-37NVbs-07-BSl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:16:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1Mc8-37NVbs-07-BSl; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:03:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1Mc8-37NVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:03:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1Mbz-00000t-DK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:03:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32FCBCB53C1; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9sAIF21Clw7; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17E0BCB3D58; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CED56CB536D for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sRTiKZyxsneC for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3714ECB3D58 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091023160313.WMTB17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:03:13 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091023160313.CVJA13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:03:13 +0100 Message-ID: <77B5FCDA366B493AA412D2438D9C2C72@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:03:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA5402.B114F950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GEJcmEtMVNcA:10 a=_pNRTzjCT5O0kPvoDa4A:9 a=ykIdRFerkoy1jygKycRtt3G8PYkA:4 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ngAY_Wy-74tqsURcVYwA:9 a=0Uu_WlWU9pXUy8lpERcA:7 a=uOCHmChDkjrIJ4CXTUYeeAjXh9gA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 X-archive-position: 1845 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=_pNRTzjCT5O0kPvoDa4A:9 a=ykIdRFerkoy1jygKycRtt3G8PYkA:4 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ngAY_Wy-74tqsURcVYwA:9 a=0Uu_WlWU9pXUy8lpERcA:7 a=uOCHmChDkjrIJ4CXTUYeeAjXh9gA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA5402.B114F950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Grogan=20 To: David Pilling (softwarelist)=20 Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:47 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Hello, David, I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and I have a referenced Draw file = as a picture. If I alter the Draw file so as to increase the size of = the bounding box then when I re-open the document, Ovation seems only to = reload that part of the Draw file which is still within the original = bounding box. This means that even if I then reduce the picture scale, = I still cannot display the whole drawing. The only way I can get the = whole picture is to reload the Draw file, which means that I lose all = the local picture settings and the relative path name. Any ideas? Regards John Grogan Exporting the document as DDL and loading that does load the whole Draw = file so this provides a workaround. Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA5402.B114F950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John=20 Grogan
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 = 12:47=20 AM
Subject: [softwarelist] = Modifying=20 referenced DrawFile pictures

Hello, David,
 
I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix = and I have a=20 referenced Draw file as a picture.  If I alter the Draw file so = as to=20 increase the size of the bounding box then when I re-open the = document,=20 Ovation seems only to reload that part of the Draw file which is still = within=20 the original bounding box.   This means that even = if I=20 then reduce the picture scale, I still cannot display the whole = drawing. =20 The only way I can get the whole picture is to reload the Draw file, = which=20 means that I lose all the local picture settings and the relative path = name.  Any ideas?
 
Regards
John Grogan
 
Exporting the document as DDL = and loading=20 that does load the whole Draw file so this provides a=20 workaround.
 
Regards
John Grogan
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CA5402.B114F950-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 19:01:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1OIi-2U3000-01-9mB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:01:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1OIi-2U3000-01-9mB; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:51:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1OIi-2U3000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:51:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1OIf-0005ch-Uf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:51:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 307B9CB554F; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ul-U6SEKC5JW; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3721DCB553A; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11618CB5545 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LgYxpLfRvJu3 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0546CB553A for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N1OIN-0000MB-YQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:51:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:49:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> In-Reply-To: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1846 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=TQWAs7PTWFVpgWZJhnUA:7 a=-BhQxsQT5Pw4WRmKeMtHiGWQd_AA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=ViTg4Pqweq8UVjd9:21 a=r8Be78uA0LVBaO4q:21 In message <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01>, John Grogan=20 writes >I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and I have a referenced Draw file as a >picture.=A0 If I alter the Draw file so as to increase the size of the bou= nding box >then when I re-open the document, Ovation seems only to reload that part of >the Draw file which is still within the original bounding box. It wish it wasn't that way... I'd think there are things you can do less=20 drastic than saving DDL and reloading. Although we're in workaround=20 territory. For example changing the referenced filename (e.g. changing a=20 lower to upper case letter). I wonder if editing via OLE (control +=20 double click on picture) gets the change right. It is a pity there isn't a feature to retain picture settings when a new=20 picture is imported. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 19:16:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1OaM-1c6knw-07-9UX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:16:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1OaM-1c6knw-07-9UX; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1OaM-1c6knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1OaK-0001lq-DI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:09:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F406CB55D1; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id git233gItc5J; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3BCDCB5578; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F392CB55A2 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7DxSDTjR-l7W for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F287CB5578 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.164.157]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9NI9Za8011705 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:09:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:09:27 +0100 Message-ID: <44b0dbae50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1847 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IRpf59ncyFL1iOGpzUgA:9 a=nK02I4odgBzt2NdmamYA:7 a=tUKrBmbmBfRxvqpf5xGuTBVaDx4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=U-QwqiUWyqn0i78D:21 a=_4BKqPSVsNHRC4CI:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01>, John Grogan > writes >>I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and I have a referenced Draw file a= s a >>picture.=A0 If I alter the Draw file so as to increase the size of the >>bounding box >>then when I re-open the document, Ovation seems only to reload that par= t of >>the Draw file which is still within the original bounding box. > It wish it wasn't that way... I'd think there are things you can do les= s > drastic than saving DDL and reloading. Although we're in workaround > territory. For example changing the referenced filename (e.g. changing = a > lower to upper case letter). I wonder if editing via OLE (control + > double click on picture) gets the change right. > It is a pity there isn't a feature to retain picture settings when a ne= w > picture is imported. There is something close. Triple-click on the picture to open the "Modify Picture" dialog. Leave it open. Drop the new picture on to the frame. Close the dialog, and the old settings are re-applied. I'm not sure what happens to "Picture Process" during this though. --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 21:46:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1Qpc-3O9Vbs-06-Fln.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:46:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1Qpc-3O9Vbs-06-Fln; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:33:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1Qpc-3O9Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:33:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1Qpa-0003BM-W8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:33:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18A5FCB45C8; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hdDmDJmu38nc; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 353BDCB2992; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C784CB4123 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hasQjQ-0pAJ1 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB31BCB2992 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-25-2.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.25.2] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1QpJ-00067v-Mq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:33:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro autofit To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1848 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kasM1N3T54-zmybAhIoA:9 a=yghzNeI6vwWV5gzOO3YA:7 a=gjhZRtyoxFcHWwHJvUFbD0LUh8EA:4 a=VSPoq6_jCPoxc4j4:21 a=un3ntKwXJNNSqLT6:21 i'm in the process of moving a number of graphics frames and i need to resize the photo in each of them to fit the resized frame. i tripleclick the photo, the Modify Picture dialogue box appears, i click Fit, and nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? (OPro 2.77) i have the "No lock" radio button selected (ie, not "Centre lock" or "Lock") and "Aspect lock" is ticked. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 22:31:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1Rd8-2qyVbs-08-EyH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1Rd8-2qyVbs-08-EyH; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:25:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1Rd8-2qyVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:25:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1Rd6-00050G-1U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:25:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17AACB55CF; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q7zPmZQ+VuZQ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE7D4CB55B1; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B19FCCB55C5 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Op9194Cl11Vo for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B9F9CB55B1 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N1Rco-0001az-hN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:24:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:23:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro autofit References: <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1849 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=dKWZ_qlaBVknjwkgacQA:7 a=lwz-6BuaFZ4yFwLLh4KDBAQab5IA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=R9FHIZqTVPfS6BJ9:21 a=o4HRTPvC14HDoYxv:21 In message <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >i'm in the process of moving a number of graphics frames and i need to >resize the photo in each of them to fit the resized frame. >i tripleclick the photo, the Modify Picture dialogue box appears, i >click Fit, and nothing happens. You'd have to follow it with OK, or Apply. The quicker way is to click on Fit on the info palette. ISTR there is a way - ctrl+drag on handle of picture frame which resizes the picture as the frame is resized. (Not working at the moment on Windows I wonder why). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 22:46:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1Rrd-1dmGPo-06-Ejm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:46:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1Rrd-1dmGPo-06-Ejm; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1Rrd-1dmGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1Rrc-0003RE-O5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30545CB5576; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GQyO8NeFUFcF; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 229D5CB5257; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F07B1CB5396 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4z6+kBPW2RMQ for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4B4CB5257 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.198.166]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9NLdXCO020180 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:39:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro autofit To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:39:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1850 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ge2Jkxy7JPb6o49vBWgA:9 a=clPw7XkocijJPMYeuxoA:7 a=YMn8ug20msRioVlMWKp52j0VsFsA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Kt8GlXqDSdtD9D9l:21 a=nANaUQOncyY5lKEp:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel > writes >>i'm in the process of moving a number of graphics frames and i need to >>resize the photo in each of them to fit the resized frame. >>i tripleclick the photo, the Modify Picture dialogue box appears, i >>click Fit, and nothing happens. > You'd have to follow it with OK, or Apply. > The quicker way is to click on Fit on the info palette. > ISTR there is a way - ctrl+drag on handle of picture frame which resizes > the picture as the frame is resized. (Not working at the moment on > Windows I wonder why). Doesn't work here in RISC OS. However adjust-drag does work. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 23 22:46:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1Rvu-1BWGPo-04-EfV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:46:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1Rvu-1BWGPo-04-EfV; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:44:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1Rvu-1BWGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:44:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1Rvn-0007lG-DW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:44:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 833ABCB5557; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cMM+7BKEY+9; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E308CB54FE; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 383C3CB5557 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y9Rcng9UBqCc for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 988BECB54FE for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091023214401.DXVH27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:44:01 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091023214400.GMNT13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:44:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> <44b0dbae50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:43:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GEJcmEtMVNcA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=mjfzKiHq3RJq35t9U3EA:9 a=D5yERNptwKMNgzYfOskA:7 a=lV32jHqnTvEuhn1PnZfmaz-HkiMA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5p7uojJjopBRNJ_t:21 a=MCspZh1DLEepy4Yn:21 X-archive-position: 1851 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=mjfzKiHq3RJq35t9U3EA:9 a=t1JzOV29dPYzaV2pL-gA:7 a=n0S6_F9YnPLm1kKm8V8tZJo-Q-8A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=6ZSxLik3MiwOmxDC:21 a=fx6nUO4GJalcjkOi:21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Adams" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:09 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures > > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > In message <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01>, John Grogan > > writes > > >>I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and I have a referenced Draw file as > >>a > >>picture. If I alter the Draw file so as to increase the size of the > >>bounding box > >>then when I re-open the document, Ovation seems only to reload that part > >>of > >>the Draw file which is still within the original bounding box. > > > It wish it wasn't that way... I'd think there are things you can do less > > drastic than saving DDL and reloading. Although we're in workaround > > territory. For example changing the referenced filename (e.g. changing a > > lower to upper case letter). I wonder if editing via OLE (control + > > double click on picture) gets the change right. > > > It is a pity there isn't a feature to retain picture settings when a new > > picture is imported. > > There is something close. > > Triple-click on the picture to open the "Modify Picture" dialog. > Leave it open. > Drop the new picture on to the frame. > Close the dialog, and the old settings are re-applied. > I'm not sure what happens to "Picture Process" during this though. > This works OK with plain drag & drop but not with shift-drag & drop for referenced pictures. The issue really, though, is that having already referenced the picture, I would like not to have to drag & drop again. The DDL route does seem to be the simplest work around as it fixes all the referenced pictures in the document in one action. Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 11:51:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1SSb-1bk000-07-E8o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:51:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1SSb-1bk000-07-E8o; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:18:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1SSb-1bk000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:18:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1SSZ-0003Wf-45 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:18:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B31B6CB545E; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:18:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WlKzfvuQlpnv; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71B11CB268A; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 489A1CB445C for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n57dUfmccd6i for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FD2BCB268A for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-25-2.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.25.2] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1SSG-000MkH-Se for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:17:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro hourglass no? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:17:47 +0100 Message-ID: <776cf2ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1852 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rrCeCbTfYXIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YEI3uQcXDn2Dlus1XCYA:9 a=yyWHS4Sl3Y9gx446x0wA:7 a=QZ3BQSbaBS_kZY13-W5Jvvd_Sb4A:4 i do wish it would at least show an hourglass (or my usual little animated doggy) if it's going to go off and recalculate the rest of the 300 pages (or something) when i add a picture on page 37 or 39. instead, it just leaves me thinking something isn't working when i try to type some text on p37 or slightly resize a frame. nothing responds. finally i realize it must be recalculating something and i just wait. or is there some option i need to switch on? does it really re-do the whole document? couldn't it just confine its attentions to the current chapter? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 11:51:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1SrZ-1KEGPo-08-Djq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:51:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1SrZ-1KEGPo-08-Djq; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:44:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1SrZ-1KEGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:44:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1SrT-0003XK-UR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:44:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 005F0CB5605; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3CHwmyk-0Yqo; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14FA5CB5689; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E710FCB568B for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q8A8kG10HNkQ for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57E6BCB5689 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091023224338.JGKM17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:43:38 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091023224337.SIIK21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:43:37 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:43:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4rds1wngwgwA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=ABlmzTHYfFRkb86F5xUA:9 a=w8rAF9K9TSPPkBlX_fgA:7 a=sLN6sP6Q3G9JldofuMssdSkWWtIA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=JePzmZVh-15EXlJH:21 a=ZwTQx-begzktZUJh:21 X-archive-position: 1853 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=ABlmzTHYfFRkb86F5xUA:9 a=Ae1CbvK0JZuDJ0NgEZkA:7 a=NUZTATu_1OpyLXllmJ-algk04UIA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=VqyYOS1wEx8fg2RH:21 a=Nx0u0Bd0YLG2ca4V:21 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pilling" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 6:49 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures > > In message <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01>, John Grogan > writes > > >I am using Ovation Pro on an Iyonix and I have a referenced Draw file as > >a > >picture. If I alter the Draw file so as to increase the size of the > >bounding box > >then when I re-open the document, Ovation seems only to reload that part > >of > >the Draw file which is still within the original bounding box. > > It wish it wasn't that way... I'd think there are things you can do less > drastic than saving DDL and reloading. Although we're in workaround > territory. For example changing the referenced filename (e.g. changing a > lower to upper case letter). I wonder if editing via OLE (control + double > click on picture) gets the change right. OLE editing causes the new bounding box to be loaded but changing the case of a letter in the file name doesn't - I think Ovation is too smart to be caught out by that! Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 11:51:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1dVl-1btknw-01-BcA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:51:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1dVl-1btknw-01-BcA; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:06:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1dVl-1btknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:06:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1dVi-0004jf-Bk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:06:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED1B1CB5431; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:06:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0sX8mwm1I19u; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECE81CB539A; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2614CB53A6 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ef8gdQ6m-tjt for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.orcon.net.nz (mx1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 414EFCB539A for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx1.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N1dVN-0007v5-66 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:05:49 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx1.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N1dVM-0007uY-N7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:05:49 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:04:57 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx1.orcon.net.nz on Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:05:49 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sat Oct 24 23:05:49 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7613 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1854 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Iiito8HDAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VlPH5vMF-oDBBCisi2oA:9 a=uXG0TtHFk6QI2aO8CpgA:7 a=PB9dTPDP9Ndp5Gzr8vdrQNHstb8A:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 On 22 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > In message , John Tytgat > writes > >Personally I would like to see all relevant PostScript RISC OS discussions > >to happen in the riscos-ps mailing list (and that's not limited to our > >driver btw). > That put an end to discussion. ...not quite... I've just been attempting to print an OvPro doc to file using the PDF3 driver for PrintPDF and then Postscript3 driver itself. OvationPro thinks for a while then gives the error: Bad printing paramaters (printing cancelled) I can 'print' the title page (embedded Artworks file of 971KB) as postscript file, although it ends up being rather large - 20MB or so. Attempting to 'print' other pages gives the above error. I can print to PDF using Taborca. Almost every page has Sibelius Opus fonts (mostly embedded in Draw or Artworks files), but I tried one page from my document that has no Opus fonts and it failed too. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 12:06:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1eDT-3lJknw-01-AuS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:06:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1eDT-3lJknw-01-AuS; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:51:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1eDT-3lJknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:51:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1eDP-0002M6-6e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:51:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F6C9CB525E; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S-UuF4LwceHk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B23E1CB4627; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 815A6CB46EF for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id imDWLvIzk+VJ for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 498EECB4627 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N1eD6-0003ll-pU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:10:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro autofit References: <69e4e8ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1855 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=ff2yHWwak0DeKTUaJMMA:7 a=fLfyShr5mmJwF9DMNihvXFZDW34A:4 a=Uq8-TpfMpxPKdDn0:21 a=XrJ-BO5Qu-SrMAp0:21 In message , Alan Adams writes >Doesn't work here in RISC OS. However adjust-drag does work. Yep, that's it, and right click drag on Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 12:21:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1eWT-0lrVbs-04-AbS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:21:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1eWT-0lrVbs-04-AbS; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1eWT-0lrVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1eWP-0000z7-NN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:11:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D3F3CB52CC; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yq7A7Sdp84lO; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 936A8CB3D63; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B23CB418D for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PvXMpGue4q68 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B89A5CB3D63 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:10:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 150300706/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/79.78.129.137/None/rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.129.137 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEEAN994kpPToGJ/2dsb2JhbACBUJQnwRGEPwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,617,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="150300706" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-78-129-137.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com) ([79.78.129.137]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 24 Oct 2009 12:10:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:10:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Error message from DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <50af39215erhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1856 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=j_tCXVTTASAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Edh23l7bPLiL5NklG7EA:9 a=XMEFICbUusr3Eh4lPDMA:7 a=d5N0pKTP6nK4k0jfgcFOPTEVlTkA:4 I've been using DPScan on Windows Vista for a while (mainly to drive a scanner that won't work on my RiscPC) but whenever it is loaded I get an error message: The specified colour management module is invalid (SelectCMM) (2010) I've not got around to reporting it before as it does not seem to stop DPScan from working - after I accept the error it just carries on as normal. Despite that it would be nice to be able to stop it appearing as I'm not sure what other implications it might have. Does anyone know what is causing it? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 12:21:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1ef3-1EAVbs-04-ASs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:21:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1ef3-1EAVbs-04-ASs; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:19:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1ef3-1EAVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:19:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1ef0-0001dI-98 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:19:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4476FCB531E; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sq-MOQ9Xkh0B; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77B37CB2878; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A13ACB44EF for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bSgsGi9KQjWi for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4B1DCB2878 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-167-162.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.167.162]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9OBJUvE025981 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:19:31 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1256383172; bh=PBqzYo30XkoGAXF6YniSklgl0z9AsaJhdHoM2d7PRgw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=T4yGeJTOxzy7bUMBbKKyXGfn9EO4J7yTGv7OuXES0BijMXUBtp5Wx/C/Jjx2/LQh5 9AQR3x5lnzlVP7BstLxLbl6yaa9InPqWJqlYl//OPLER0qlW8cX6wJCoWbN0Bozrai sHQMn/bcjp/hgr8pQQ3sjEravyKN6GSLjKdlG9XA= Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:18:56 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.17) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-archive-position: 1857 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n6X60QZF5Eu9rjGWRgwA:9 a=Dozwo2L_MoLe1zEf5K8A:7 a=c2iea59FRIF5sTZt6lmse2kBM_0A:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> you wrote: > I've just been attempting to print an OvPro doc to file using the PDF3 > driver for PrintPDF and then Postscript3 driver itself. OvationPro thinks > for a while then gives the error: > > Bad printing paramaters (printing cancelled) Most probably because one or more fonts you're using in your OvationPro do not have the filetype &ff6. Our PS3 driver checks for this but that's not really necessary so the next update will have this check removed. If that's really the problem here, you can give your font files IntMet* and Outline* the &ff6 (Font) filetype. If that's not the case for you, I would like to examine this further. > I can 'print' the title page (embedded Artworks file of 971KB) as > postscript file, although it ends up being rather large - 20MB or so. Most probably because transparency is used, i.e. you end up with a very large bitmap generated from your ArtWorks file. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 12:36:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1enN-2GsVbs-06-AKY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:36:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1enN-2GsVbs-06-AKY; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:28:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1enN-2GsVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:28:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1enJ-0003dV-Pt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:28:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34A71CB2B16; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pzf+5VWbGTGA; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49AE3CB29C8; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F978CB2AC3 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C31OKO2GSrP5 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBB3FCB29C8 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N1en2-0007H1-lN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:28:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3ubXSwB7Ru4KFwW9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:26:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro hourglass no? References: <776cf2ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <776cf2ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1858 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MM32B1OMwqYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=UPoQwvAfDaaAzdIOP9IA:7 a=I2SlETre_GylHRGac4Ov-fRtjZoA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=zQRcFGeIiMoDHboL:21 a=e9EajpP5ERthJyP9:21 In message <776cf2ae50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >i do wish it would at least show an hourglass (or my usual little >animated doggy) if it's going to go off and recalculate the rest of >the 300 pages (or something) when i add a picture on page 37 or 39. I've often been criticised for not using the hourglass enough. Funny, I think I was the first person to design an animated hourglass for the Archimedes in Hearsay mark 1 - before your time Jim lad. >does it really re-do the whole document? couldn't it just confine its >attentions to the current chapter? Depends what you've done, but in general it sticks to the current chapter. In fact there's a common complaint about "why can't left/right pages follow on from one chapter to the next" which is caused by a desire to not have to set off re-calculating the entire document. Sometimes a lot of frames have to be re-calculated and there have been cases where the algorithm used has turned out to have a run time proportional to the number of frames squared, so that things get very slow. I have changed the code for some of these cases. Text reflow is only calculated for the current line before control is handed back and reflows through text are queued, so creating a new frame on page 1 should give you back control almost instantly. But if you moved a frame from page 1 to page 300 (same chapter), then you would force a reflow of all pages inbetween before you were able to edit the text again. So depends on the situation. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 12:36:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1euX-4Sqknw-08-ADO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:36:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1euX-4Sqknw-08-ADO; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:35:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1euX-4Sqknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:35:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1euV-00028T-FP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:35:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C96CCB55DA; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j9eBhyGNIRIT; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCF8BCB2B30; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CA62CB554B for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z-PmjkNcCV-V for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C71FCB2B30 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N1euD-0006yT-gn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:35:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:33:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Error message from DPScan for Windows References: <50af39215erhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <50af39215erhnews@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1859 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oA4AGlMkiFsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=UECO3kdjeH_KlSJYzYgA:7 a=LCzmTqHevDO4Ddxc1qOXHHrFhp0A:4 a=FZBrQheu8l1KGpU6:21 a=DWJlgAhQkXeF_f68:21 In message <50af39215erhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" writes >The specified colour management module is invalid (SelectCMM) (2010) I'm sure this has come up before, alas I can't locate the previous occurrence. My feeling is that you use Misc->Colour management and change the colour management module (then OK, then Misc->Choices and Save). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 24 14:36:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1gfi-1iX000-07-Gyj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:36:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1gfi-1iX000-07-Gyj; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:28:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1gfi-1iX000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:28:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1gfe-0002jf-Qs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:28:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B848CB2AB7; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lV50UhwFDJPx; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DBCCCB23B6; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B013CB287E for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OR+Y3vgmFJGz for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09CDACB23B6 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:28:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 260966271/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/79.78.129.137/None/rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.129.137 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEEAMud4kpPToGJ/2dsb2JhbACBUJQnwFCEPwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,617,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="260966271" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-78-129-137.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com) ([79.78.129.137]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 24 Oct 2009 14:28:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:21:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Error message from DPScan for Windows Message-ID: <50af451e83rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50af39215erhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1860 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oA4AGlMkiFsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=FrvpURYbAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hJnLJxwtVlvaKwToGdIA:9 a=9uUJDmLThgyqT9cPWgsA:7 a=qhE29-5-T4UdL9FKHyc0sQsBxtgA:4 a=FE497hOvn5PHU7nF:21 a=HLpYDu7jpIiBdvgi:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50af39215erhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" > writes > >The specified colour management module is invalid (SelectCMM) (2010) > I'm sure this has come up before, alas I can't locate the previous > occurrence. My feeling is that you use Misc->Colour management and > change the colour management module (then OK, then Misc->Choices and > Save). Thanks David, that has cured it. I had not realised that DPScan supported colour management profiles. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 25 11:35:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N1oX5-3v1000-02-97M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:35:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N1oX5-3v1000-02-97M; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:52:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N1oX5-3v1000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:52:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N1oWz-0003PJ-RY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:52:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC028CB546F; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:52:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zRWwdA7xyx3H; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 826E8CB53FF; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:51:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59E2ECB540D for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:51:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t+simslg6KoR for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC1DFCB53FF for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091024215154.CMVV27507.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:51:54 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091024215154.KBSU2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:51:54 +0100 Message-ID: <63851A756A3149049F47CD743E656538@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> <44b0dbae50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:51:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GEJcmEtMVNcA:10 a=UMcfoU0zeKT7tgJ_8k0A:9 a=dBtyVrD3TL-HpX7UCfYA:7 a=_svDlKAwepSldr6K1P4SRQ3zUIgA:4 a=JGee3oZbxgnuCO_E:21 a=W2LXnnFQkbz6yoM8:21 X-archive-position: 1861 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OeQAQgF0ZtSZnrB1XJoA:9 a=9rTxsV3GUVxDokaWBTUA:7 a=s9bSTn3exKxSHidgWz09Hpxe1PMA:4 a=NmkN62IwP_Es1jNb:21 a=lDEgJrR6gGfS7E20:21 >> >> > It wish it wasn't that way... I'd think there are things you can do >> > less >> > drastic than saving DDL and reloading. Although we're in workaround >> > territory. For example changing the referenced filename (e.g. changing >> > a >> > lower to upper case letter). I wonder if editing via OLE (control + >> > double click on picture) gets the change right. >> >> > It is a pity there isn't a feature to retain picture settings when a >> > new >> > picture is imported. >> >> There is something close. >> >> Triple-click on the picture to open the "Modify Picture" dialog. >> Leave it open. >> Drop the new picture on to the frame. >> Close the dialog, and the old settings are re-applied. >> I'm not sure what happens to "Picture Process" during this though. >> > > This works OK with plain drag & drop but not with shift-drag & drop for > referenced pictures. > > The issue really, though, is that having already referenced the picture, I > would like not to have to drag & drop again. The DDL route does seem to > be the simplest work around as it fixes all the referenced pictures in the > document in one action. > > Regards > John Grogan As usual I've been doing too much posting and not enough testing! The DDL route does work very nicely but only if the referenced files have absolute paths. When a DDL file is loaded, {filepath} is clearly not set to the path of the DDL file so Ovation Pro can't find relatively referenced files and deletes the references! OLE editing (modify, undo & save) seems best in this instance. Hope I've got it right now! Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 25 11:50:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N21VI-0Z2GPo-02-DCB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:50:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N21VI-0Z2GPo-02-DCB; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:43:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N21VI-0Z2GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:43:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N21VD-0004H8-Sz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:43:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 437B6CB449A; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:43:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hFL3f5pHUo1A; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B79CB42D9; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:42:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7B97CB43C8 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:42:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R87NbqIMRyXn for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2260CB42D9 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1N21Uv-0005Sq-ax for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:42:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:41:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> <44b0dbae50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <63851A756A3149049F47CD743E656538@PC01> In-Reply-To: <63851A756A3149049F47CD743E656538@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1862 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MgKip6fTlzcmF1-kCn8A:9 a=yROUroEI5p21Xv8mGb8A:7 a=Z8gd0wAIkPqVvMJFvyQ47xtwFRkA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=piqGlWtNv4FrQSEb:21 a=Xf3G3-B9mly-0wKD:21 In message <63851A756A3149049F47CD743E656538@PC01>, John Grogan writes >paths. When a DDL file is loaded, {filepath} is clearly not set to the path >of the DDL file so Ovation Pro can't find relatively referenced files and >deletes the references! Ooops. That's unfortunate. > OLE editing (modify, undo & save) seems best in >this instance. What is the 'undo' step for? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 25 15:35:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N24yW-3lbknw-06-9ix.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:35:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N24yW-3lbknw-06-9ix; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N24yW-3lbknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N24yR-0007PV-Vc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CF5DCB5295; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R2tQjx0GgAfI; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41EBACB4AF5; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1765DCB497F for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKeI-PnLk7Rf for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00CD6CB4AF5 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20091025152519.YUQK17029.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20091025152519.PVKV2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:19 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4A951E784EF840E092312D7C0A343EE7@PC01> <44b0dbae50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <63851A756A3149049F47CD743E656538@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Modifying referenced DrawFile pictures Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:25:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GEJcmEtMVNcA:10 a=xsN4RX0rN2hAyg2LBasA:9 a=TNEdAb31IL7LSC6zyqubCHI-mbkA:4 X-archive-position: 1863 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q1UmgqC6lCIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xsN4RX0rN2hAyg2LBasA:9 a=f8uoQ69oKAn3a8v5884A:7 a=QMfenIo1VeCvovfhoi_zdYTCoj0A:4 > >> OLE editing (modify, undo & save) seems best in >>this instance. > > What is the 'undo' step for? > Hello, David, I was thinking of the situation where the Draw file has already been modified and OLE editing is just being used to trick Ovation into reloading the diagram with the new bounding box. The "modify" would then be just an arbitrary change. Fortunately !Draw doesn't appreciate that "undo" is reverting to the loaded version of the diagram so that "save" does actually do something! Ain't life wonderful! Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 26 11:37:23 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2G1J-1xw000-06-FjC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2G1J-1xw000-06-FjC; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:13:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2G1J-1xw000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:13:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2G1B-0002a6-3x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 730A3CB4B04; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lTnpTTL3ErE3; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 371CACB43B7; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:12:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA1A6CB4493 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:12:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HOCMLk4gnvrX for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx4.orcon.net.nz (mx4.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 920B9CB48F4 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx4.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1N2G0q-00011S-Fv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:12:52 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx4.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1N2G0q-00011I-2n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:12:52 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:12:02 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:12:52 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 26 16:12:52 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7614 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1864 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rrQfw_W2maua6uQDxNoA:9 a=kafrsDAS4aa7Tu2PK2MA:7 a=UE0v_PAJLfinWz1hBIy-syweKacA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 Hello John, On 25 Oct, John Tytgat wrote: > In message <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> you wrote: >> > > > > Bad printing paramaters (printing cancelled) > If that's really the problem here, you can give your font files IntMet* > and Outline* the &ff6 (Font) filetype. If that's not the case for you, > I would like to examine this further. The fonts I use in this document do have their IntMet* and Outline* filetyped as &ff6... unless there is a font I've specified but not used if that makes sense. Is there a way to list all the fonts 'used' in an OvPro document? > > I can 'print' the title page (embedded Artworks file of 971KB) as > > postscript file, although it ends up being rather large - 20MB or so. > Most probably because transparency is used, i.e. you end up with a very > large bitmap generated from your ArtWorks file. Correct! Thanks for the explanation. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 26 11:37:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2KQK-2T0Vbs-04-BKB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2KQK-2T0Vbs-04-BKB; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:55:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2KQK-2T0Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:55:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2KQD-00027p-MB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:55:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37ACACB4811; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A82+w1pIe5Rh; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48DFECB438F; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10AD9CB43BF for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B7OXcWVHpY7l for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF636CB438F for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-210-47.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.47]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9Q7t1HE027347 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:55:01 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:47:31 GMT Message-ID: <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1865 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NQys6wZ_AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Lnboy5oNKvKRwQtyTAoA:9 a=NxzpVaU6MZZMVOfqh-8A:7 a=Kbd4qi6gV9naTf3XDDG--hQzo9cA:4 a=-3TAjp1dxl8A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=ilnI0UyInbOxkvtt:21 a=xMGYJDTJxRijqd8M:21 On 26 Oct 2009 Robert Greenfield wrote: [snip] > The fonts I use in this document do have their IntMet* and Outline* > filetyped as &ff6... unless there is a font I've specified but not used > if that makes sense. > Is there a way to list all the fonts 'used' in an OvPro document? The FontCat applet from http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html will do just that for you. From its Help file: Applet !FontCat 1.01 (requires Ovation Pro 2.36) ------------------------------------------------- Generates a list of all fonts available to OvationPro. HTH, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 26 11:37:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2LPl-2wUGPo-06-AKk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2LPl-2wUGPo-06-AKk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:58:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2LPl-2wUGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:58:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2LPh-0004Iv-Np for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:58:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AA35CB5635; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zh5IRA7wiSY6; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 150CDCB5347; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D61A2CB54E7 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bXowQW-t55vI for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx6.orcon.net.nz (mx6.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.56]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64961CB5347 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx6.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N2LPJ-0000nE-Pt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:58:29 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx6.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N2LPJ-0000n5-CF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:58:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:57:40 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx6.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:58:29 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Oct 26 21:58:29 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6965 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1866 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=NQys6wZ_AAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6aqadVLaHQWV-qmiAX8A:9 a=NURi-cAFF7cODwTt-zQA:7 a=tFH13VhGLPlECkluvN3xAACTMs0A:4 a=-3TAjp1dxl8A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 On 26 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 26 Oct 2009 Robert Greenfield wrote: > > Is there a way to list all the fonts 'used' in an OvPro document? > The FontCat applet from > http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html > will do just that for you. From its Help file: > Applet !FontCat 1.01 (requires Ovation Pro 2.36) > ------------------------------------------------- > Generates a list of all fonts available to OvationPro. Not quite what I am after. What I want is a list of fonts that I have used in a document. I would like to know that I haven't done something silly like have some fonts specified in the document that I haven't used, or maybe I've used them but only as a ASC(32) char etc. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 26 11:37:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2LUV-0LKVbs-03-AG0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2LUV-0LKVbs-03-AG0; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:03:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2LUV-0LKVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:03:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2LUQ-0005L3-JR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:03:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A946FCB5538; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZNmEK0LQrv0g; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 894A2CB55DA; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4922FCB568D for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRJg+jxPxGI8 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.240]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1BAECB55DA for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:03:28 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKMC5UpZ8od9/2dsb2JhbADWH4Q/BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,625,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="49756098" Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([89.242.135.125]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2009 09:03:14 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:02:59 GMT Message-ID: <7d2a35b050.roger@Iyonix> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1867 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=NQys6wZ_AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZsN3CQCj3i1Pc0yirgUA:9 a=Xm9LFdJ68bNJeW_7_ewA:7 a=vnYh5NCuvX0iKZqRxvfhmRS9NRkA:4 a=-3TAjp1dxl8A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 In message <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 26 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 26 Oct 2009 Robert Greenfield wrote: >>> Is there a way to list all the fonts 'used' in an OvPro document? >> The FontCat applet from >> http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html >> will do just that for you. From its Help file: >> Applet !FontCat 1.01 (requires Ovation Pro 2.36) >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Generates a list of all fonts available to OvationPro. > Not quite what I am after. > What I want is a list of fonts that I have used in a document. I would > like to know that I haven't done something silly like have some fonts > specified in the document that I haven't used, or maybe I've used them > but only as a ASC(32) char etc. > regards, How about the !Fontlist applet; by David Pilling? The !Help file says that's just what it does, Regards Roger -- Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 26 11:37:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2NK0-4ZLVbs-04-Gx1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:37:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2NK0-4ZLVbs-04-Gx1; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:01:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2NK0-4ZLVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:01:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2NJw-00079J-0z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:01:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 544F2CB5265; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:01:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g6aXFO3BlYD6; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08503CB4B02; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC2E1CB4B1E for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V9e4CKEBmekX for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DBEDCB4B02 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-210-47.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.47]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9QB0h4Z001109 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:00:44 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:59:01 GMT Message-ID: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <7d2a35b050.roger@Iyonix> In-Reply-To: <7d2a35b050.roger@Iyonix> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1868 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=NQys6wZ_AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2zwUWX36GnF80zOJ-PoA:9 a=LhxdMWwUiYdvjujYOH8A:7 a=rDV9G9KACl3gwzuuKwsO1eQzrSIA:4 a=-3TAjp1dxl8A:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=2DLEPPwq-wZ-UXkn:21 a=iALhVYWZ6uzJWLzG:21 On 26 Oct 2009 Roger Foden wrote: > In message <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> > Robert Greenfield wrote: >> On 26 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote: >>> On 26 Oct 2009 Robert Greenfield wrote: >>>> Is there a way to list all the fonts 'used' in an OvPro document? >>> The FontCat applet from >>> http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html >>> will do just that for you. From its Help file: >>> Applet !FontCat 1.01 (requires Ovation Pro 2.36) >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> Generates a list of all fonts available to OvationPro. >> Not quite what I am after. >> What I want is a list of fonts that I have used in a document. I would >> like to know that I haven't done something silly like have some fonts >> specified in the document that I haven't used, or maybe I've used them >> but only as a ASC(32) char etc. >> regards, > How about the !Fontlist applet; by David Pilling? > The !Help file says that's just what it does, I had been going to suggest that, but I couldn't understand why it was greyed out in my blank default document. It seems that it needs both text to have been entered /and/ the file saved before it springs into life! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Yb \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 26 19:26:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2V8I-2uwGPo-02-98j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:26:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2V8I-2uwGPo-02-98j; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:21:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2V8I-2uwGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:21:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2V8E-0000la-UJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21365CB5831; 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Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0139DCB5911 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-17-138.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.17.138] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N2V7d-000CIY-Ot for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:20:56 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro zoom suggestion To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:17:00 GMT Message-ID: <74616db050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1869 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PttRRAy1wmHLWYplbdMA:9 a=2tTBA-YTpm5ZA3Kbn1oA:7 a=uR8xUS97ZncmQOqvw8_BmdQxIikA:4 a=gaW0-gUE_LM_Wa9t:21 a=3Z5g5u_oap4F8TPc:21 one little thing which i sorely miss from Impression Publisher: Adjust-clicking the Zoom button returns to the previous zoom. very handy when toggling back and forth between a large zoom, to deal with finicky details, and a smaller one, to see the whole of a two-page spread. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 27 12:27:13 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2g9E-0Wc000-07-FAp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:06:54 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:06:03 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50b0ae4b88theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <7d2a35b050.roger@Iyonix> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx1.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:06:54 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 27 20:06:54 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.5917 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1870 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oVgQR9EQCJVIptnYkh8A:9 a=z-yK70MjDkBaYPtB9AwA:7 a=xB1ALp5lHmnw4quzBnblgjX_wFsA:4 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 On 26 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 26 Oct 2009 Roger Foden wrote: > > How about the !Fontlist applet; by David Pilling? > > The !Help file says that's just what it does, > I had been going to suggest that, but I couldn't understand why it was > greyed out in my blank default document. It seems that it needs both > text to have been entered /and/ the file saved before it springs into > life! Maybe I'm just being silly, but I can't see it on David's website nor can I find it in or around my OvationPro directory. Where can I get it from? regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 27 12:27:14 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2gTC-1Xa000-07-Eqr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:27:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2gTC-1Xa000-07-Eqr; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:27:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2gTC-1Xa000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:27:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2gT9-0003Mf-Kx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:27:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80433CB4BF0; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VLDqlwMS-ci5; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F9BCCB3825; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77125CB384E for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5dC1vOXuU8qc for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 258CBCB3825 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:27:35 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGY95krUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADYH4Q/BA Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 27 Oct 2009 07:27:35 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1N2gSs-0004OU-MM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:27:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:26:38 GMT Message-ID: <192eb0b050.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <7d2a35b050.roger@Iyonix> <50b0ae4b88theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50b0ae4b88theboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: ff87b318c69198c370127dc0a0636f04 X-archive-position: 1871 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KrB8N1Gx6T2IglHxyxgA:9 a=ZbGukMM2OYEI2v2DZgIA:7 a=oRXIp6NRbx8POlZWVr00O0uFnW0A:4 a=9TGE1xtDdssA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=eT6TtGx8aytXmYo-:21 a=5vOc0Dp7kUgQ0gd-:21 In message <50b0ae4b88theboss@webmonster.co.nz> Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 26 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 26 Oct 2009 Roger Foden wrote: >>> How about the !Fontlist applet; by David Pilling? >>> The !Help file says that's just what it does, >> I had been going to suggest that, but I couldn't understand why it was >> greyed out in my blank default document. It seems that it needs both >> text to have been entered /and/ the file saved before it springs into >> life! > Maybe I'm just being silly, but I can't see it on David's website nor can > I find it in or around my OvationPro directory. > Where can I get it from? FontList 1.01 is on the following page: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applet.html -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 27 12:27:14 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N2iJo-2JXknw-08-D0F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:27:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N2iJo-2JXknw-08-D0F; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:26:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N2iJo-2JXknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:26:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N2iJj-0002jC-9b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:26:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 507DFCB58CB; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YZbVS7vCfuJ7; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 798FFCB4B31; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:25:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50D7CCB5760 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:25:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sd4YiUuIO5m8 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx5.orcon.net.nz (mx5.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB71CCB4B31 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx5.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N2iJL-00080I-7p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:25:51 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx5.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N2iJK-000807-LI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:25:51 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:25:01 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript 3: It all started here... Message-ID: <50b0bb048ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <192eb0b050.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4ACF95B8.2060109@zionundy.me.uk> <50a9019ba4theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50a937a243briancarroll@f2s.com> <6EP0YxAUM03KFwt9@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50af332a8btheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50b01508e1theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <98412eb050.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50b034adactheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <7d2a35b050.roger@Iyonix> <50b0ae4b88theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <192eb0b050.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx5.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:25:51 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Oct 27 22:25:51 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6500 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1872 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7pqsIUPSbWkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E7DTew9A9XYiglcxjiYA:9 a=xasYPblM9faNIhjxDPQA:7 a=qId1gTRjt6Y1LpJuoeaoEA8k3AsA:4 a=9TGE1xtDdssA:10 a=1sWkrWxzhokA:10 On 27 Oct, Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <50b0ae4b88theboss@webmonster.co.nz> > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > Maybe I'm just being silly, but I can't see it on David's website nor > > can I find it in or around my OvationPro directory. Where can I get > > it from? > FontList 1.01 is on the following page: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applet.html Oh. Fancy the OvationPro applets being on the OvationPro page *:-) That wasn't very smart of me... I only looked on http://www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html I couldn't see it on the list of at the bottom of the page (which I now see are clearly labelled Upgrades, not general links). Thanks for the help everyone. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 28 13:27:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1N38Mg-110GPo-03-CWv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:27:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1N38Mg-110GPo-03-CWv; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:15:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1N38Mg-110GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:15:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1N38Mf-0003XL-Oz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:15:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F8C6CB5B0A; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:15:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KIy6+rnPihce; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D521ACB49F9; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99F51CB58C4 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d72Pg7e3eu-W for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail15.bluewin.ch (mail15.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83F5DCB5760 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:14:44 -0400 (EDT) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[85.1.213.93] Epoch[1256735681] Received: from [85.1.213.93] ([85.1.213.93:15054] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail15.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 57/63-02831-1C348EA4; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:14:41 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro zoom suggestion To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:51:42 +0200 Message-ID: <4c61ffb050.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <74616db050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <74616db050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091027-0, 10/27/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1873 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uLPgWJiJD_jUt70gDC4A:9 a=VX2LxGkcgr2j7Tu5X5IA:7 a=pzfYG4C7ge9ByMz5TaqGhv_7zPIA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=vmesyu_RbLaPJI5V:21 a=trnMt_qiRlB58Jlw:21 In message <74616db050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel wrote: > one little thing which i sorely miss from Impression Publisher: > Adjust-clicking the Zoom button returns to the previous zoom. > very handy when toggling back and forth between a large zoom, to deal > with finicky details, and a smaller one, to see the whole of a > two-page spread. The Macros File ((...Autorun>!Macros) has 4 pre-defined zoon definitions. You can add 1 of these of these to the Button Bar (Menu>Misc>Macros, eventually adapt them to the size you wish. Not quite the same but near enough to what you want. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling