From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 10 13:43:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KnqXB-2tc000-01-D5a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:43:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KnqXB-2tc000-01-D5a; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:06:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KnqXB-2tc000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:06:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KnqXA-0001cg-Tj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:06:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69792A1D2E7; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13407-07; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD525A1DBFE; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:05:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B2DAA1B87D for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13205-06 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C855A1B78B for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 04:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (88-202-202-90.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.202.90]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9985KiL010944 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:05:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Windows DPscan To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/6.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1006 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nL4EURMjGqJzEt1uadkA:9 a=IjBooiIzzYVsuMYQo08A:7 a=GVDa2kTdjvzuIB95SJcvuB-CvY4A:4 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.7.6/1712] This is a resend as the first attempt seems to have got lost, so apologises if you have already seen it. I thought I read somewhere, that the downloadable version of DPscan is complete. The version I have appears fully functional except that it is not possible to size the page. No page size is shown as selected, and it is not possible to select a size. What have I done wrong? I downloaded a fresh copy to see if that was any different, but it wasn't. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 11 17:31:19 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KohDV-3Cvknw-02-BYM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:31:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KohDV-3Cvknw-02-BYM; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KohDV-3Cvknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:21:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KohDV-0001l7-6E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:21:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 970AFA4A820; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14353-03-3; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B375A4A858; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:20:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED6E0A4A820 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14144-04-3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDB44A4A81E for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KohCq-000M5T-9b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:20:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:19:31 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows DPscan References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1007 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YAPVcedZR5qiDgAw5l8A:9 a=s7wbcOgtn01pW7XZ1MIA:7 a=6LGzkcb99fZek9-Cf6qv-dJO828A:4 a=NzRKRGecCgIA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.0/1719] In message <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>, Adrian Crafer writes >This is a resend as the first attempt seems to have got lost, so >apologises if you have already seen it. I've not seen it. I've not seen any postings for over a month. >I thought I read somewhere, that the downloadable version of DPscan is >complete. Yes. > The version I have appears fully functional except that it >is not possible to size the page. >No page size is shown as selected, and it is not possible to select a >size. What have I done wrong? I downloaded a fresh copy to see if that >was any different, but it wasn't. My experience is that a page size is shown, but clicking on the icon to the right of the page size to open the menu to change page size results in an error message. I believe I've got the definitions of the menus wrong. However on Windows this is not a big deal anyway - unlike RISC OS, windows expand to fill the screen, so zooming should let you get at anything. If I find I can't see all of an image I almost never change the page size, what I do, is change the images resolution using the two dpi icons in the info palette. This only changes how the image is displayed - compare with using the Edit->resize function which actually alters the data. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 14 11:10:06 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KpdmN-29L000-08-Cf6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:10:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KpdmN-29L000-08-Cf6; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:53:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KpdmN-29L000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:53:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KpdmF-0006Od-Pc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:53:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 375F6A79AD8; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25802-04; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADC0BA79AEB; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1777A79AD8 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25506-05 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36358A79AE0 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (88-202-202-90.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.202.90]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9E6q5tw025763 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:52:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows DPscan To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:46:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/6.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1008 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Hz9yQ-nMi8D8_Yo6jYkA:9 a=1QSgtAT8Ah2n8oYrZp0A:7 a=dnw5VMb30iteIt_yvUmnEgZnDx4A:4 a=NzRKRGecCgIA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=EiAL5nLiLjwA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.0/1724] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>, Adrian Crafer > writes [snip] > My experience is that a page size is shown, but clicking on the icon to > the right of the page size to open the menu to change page size results > in an error message. I believe I've got the definitions of the menus > wrong. Here the menu opens, but nothing happens when you click a paper size. > However on Windows this is not a big deal anyway - unlike RISC OS, > windows expand to fill the screen, so zooming should let you get at > anything. > If I find I can't see all of an image I almost never change the page > size, what I do, is change the images resolution using the two dpi icons > in the info palette. This only changes how the image is displayed - > compare with using the Edit->resize function which actually alters the > data. I have not tried printing. I suppose fit to paper size would work, but then there would be a loss of scale for scaled drawings. I mainly want to use it for making 1 bpp drawings out of scans I have done. Everything else I have tried seems to end up with a higher bpp when convert to black and white is selected rather than gray scale. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:13:52 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KqE77-14XVbs-04-AQQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:13:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KqE77-14XVbs-04-AQQ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:41:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KqE77-14XVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:41:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KqE77-0001gz-2j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBD57A86A79; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28999-02; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E06DA83BB8; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6ABC6A86A79 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28896-03 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A4B8A86BE4 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id x30so437438ugc.11 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr5921933ugj.44.1224106815240; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3347c.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm310493ugh.10.2008.10.15.14.40.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:40:12 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RLTMzCuIdDwYK9V0CV4A:9 a=Z9aRRD_f1QEQ9pECAA0A:7 a=zSFOZNKOMVUNjSZHi6-Kpqaxa1EA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.0/1726] The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at the caret. Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower case), other than manually? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:14:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KqooC-2LK000-07-GLv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:14:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KqooC-2LK000-07-GLv; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:52:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KqooC-2LK000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:52:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kqoo7-0003mT-JN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:52:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F030DA8B2A8; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29158-08; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74DBCA8B2A5; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C1EA8B2A8 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29033-05 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8416A8B2B9 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id x30so957913ugc.11 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.123.19 with SMTP id a19mr59729ugn.36.1224247875074; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334b5.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w40sm25626ugc.50.2008.10.17.05.51.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:51:08 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1s-hypvybdgw8-WJuNoA:9 a=gg_cT7MvEvFMs4qoxf0A:7 a=OPCiQSy6BLr_kJhUA8MLjSQXoiwA:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1730] Clive Bonsall wrote: > The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at the caret. > Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower case), other than manually? I should have said that this relates to OP and OPW. However, since there have been no replies, I guess the only way is to insert the Roman numerals manually. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:14:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kqov0-0HjGPo-06-GF7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:14:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kqov0-0HjGPo-06-GF7; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:59:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kqov0-0HjGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:59:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kqouz-0000Ce-Ip for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:59:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3E06A8B2BB; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-02; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57495A8B29A; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:58:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 664F6A8B2BB for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29994-01 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30DE8A8B281 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KqouL-0007Fx-Mh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:58:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:58:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: <4fefb00edapeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Z2Q1hkqLMtda2u4QNfoA:9 a=CGExBQtrvAhArKhx3FsA:7 a=FdSb_NqxPzOSQIDuapoI3hpn4pwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1730] In article <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at > > the caret. Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower > > case), other than manually? > I should have said that this relates to OP and OPW. However, > since there have been no replies, I guess the only way is to > insert the Roman numerals manually. No. The 'Modify chapter' dialogue box controls how page numbers are displayed for the chapter in question -- 'Numeric' (i.e. arabic), 'Roman upper' or 'Roman lower'. The same Misc > Insert> Page number command is used in all three cases. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:14:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KqpdD-2MSGPo-01-FWu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:14:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KqpdD-2MSGPo-01-FWu; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:44:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KqpdD-2MSGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:44:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kqpd9-0001ga-0Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:44:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D67CEA67B28; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05555-02; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C7C7A89916; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6859CA67B28 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05212-07 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FFCDA59558 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-200-26.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.200.26]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9HDggTT025362 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:42:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:37:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1012 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eU8uME4SEfjlQKGof9sA:9 a=ZueBhsoHBP5TEJrORI4A:7 a=Xo_72RMfmKU5g1KueSbs2ZIiTtMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1730] In article <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at the caret. > > Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower case), other than > > manually? > I should have said that this relates to OP and OPW. However, since there > have been no replies, I guess the only way is to insert the Roman > numerals manually. After you posted, I did have a search around for a Roman Numeral TrueType font, but even though a zillion places showed up in the search results, not a one actually had a Roman numeral font. Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:14:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kqpnx-226000-04-FMA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:14:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kqpnx-226000-04-FMA; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:55:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kqpnx-226000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:55:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kqpnw-0003Jl-IV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 536ADA8A35D; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07270-08; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1646A8B24D; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9B79A8AAF0 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07155-06 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out.teleos-web.net (smtp-out.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EE5AA893F8 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mailfw2-int.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.233]) by smtp.teleos-web.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B181F0177 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:55:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at teleos-web.net Received: from smtp.teleos-web.net ([80.66.1.229]) by localhost (mailfw2.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id v4dvja5qoqa2 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:55:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ucs.de (unknown [90.153.88.117]) by smtp.teleos-web.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 17 Oct 2008 15:56:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:56:05 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1013 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uinB_NkSRrZ1wzEzTjwA:9 a=PW_tzWBkhPDn_djt6tIA:7 a=T0ny0k2X8jyJhAuNUDUU9XH4gMcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1730] In message <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at the caret. > > > Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower case), other than > > > manually? > > > I should have said that this relates to OP and OPW. However, since there > > have been no replies, I guess the only way is to insert the Roman > > numerals manually. > > > After you posted, I did have a search around for a Roman Numeral TrueType > font, but even though a zillion places showed up in the search results, > not a one actually had a Roman numeral font. > > Dave S > How would such a font be useful? In a manner of speaking 'every' font has roman numerals. If a font had them in place of the 1-9 range it would work only in that range, You couldn't just type 3754 and get a correct roman number (IIIVIIVIV is rubbish). Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:14:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KqppK-06z000-01-FKn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:14:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KqppK-06z000-01-FKn; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:57:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KqppK-06z000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:57:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KqppJ-00010k-Ss for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:57:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A59BA8B028; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07494-04; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E122AA8AC14; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:56:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFC52A8B102 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07392-01 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD39CA8A35D for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Kqpog-000MMB-HG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:56:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:00:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: <4fefb5bbb3charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=w8Ssuwm6bf5v9AiOY8oA:9 a=Zw04cWtvEOP-p9hn-a8A:7 a=0V9MlvZcG9L3bjddx4O-xea2K1AA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1730] In article <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at the caret. > > > Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower case), other than > > > manually? > > I should have said that this relates to OP and OPW. However, since > > there have been no replies, I guess the only way is to insert the > > Roman numerals manually. > After you posted, I did have a search around for a Roman Numeral TrueType > font, but even though a zillion places showed up in the search results, > not a one actually had a Roman numeral font. but don't you just use the relevant characters from your normal font? XVII X MMVIII = 17 10.2008 -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 17 21:14:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kqprc-20Tknw-07-FIV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 21:14:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kqprc-20Tknw-07-FIV; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:59:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kqprc-20Tknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:59:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kqprb-0003Lq-MG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:59:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08A39A8B25F; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07882-03; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 810CFA8AF3D; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:58:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED27AA8B25F for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07660-07 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB8B3A8B273 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Kqpqx-0004xu-Of for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:58:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:02:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: <4fefb5f596charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1015 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gSaC--CA8eHomH7HSUQA:9 a=2tcoV651-dN7Sdnl6LcA:7 a=fENvi_0Hkj1B7FZJDfDQ0FTONYgA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1730] In article , Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > > wrote: > > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > > The Insert Page Number macro places an Arabic numeral(s) at the > > > > caret. Is there a way to insert Roman numerals (lower case), other > > > > than manually? > > > > > I should have said that this relates to OP and OPW. However, since > > > there have been no replies, I guess the only way is to insert the > > > Roman numerals manually. > > > > > > After you posted, I did have a search around for a Roman Numeral > > TrueType font, but even though a zillion places showed up in the search > > results, not a one actually had a Roman numeral font. > > > > Dave S > > > How would such a font be useful? In a manner of speaking 'every' font has > roman numerals. If a font had them in place of the 1-9 range it would > work only in that range, You couldn't just type 3754 and get a correct > roman number (IIIVIIVIV is rubbish). indeed. it should be MMMDCCLIV -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 18 14:12:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KqyGe-1E8knw-06-FPz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:12:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KqyGe-1E8knw-06-FPz; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:58:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KqyGe-1E8knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:58:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KqyGZ-0001as-LM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:58:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88918A8C4AC; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25351-01-8; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05AE6A8C4E3; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC474A8C2D1 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25044-09 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crail.spa.umn.edu (crail.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8B49A8C0A9 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu ([128.101.220.230]) by crail.spa.umn.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KqyFv-0001mK-VL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.8/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m9HMvF9t011500 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:57:15 -0500 Received: (from allan@localhost) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m9HMvFvV011499 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:57:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:57:15 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: <20081017225715.GQ7972@physics.umn.edu> References: <695676eb4f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <48F6633C.1090907@ed.ac.uk> <48F88A3C.5040104@ed.ac.uk> <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> <4fefb5f596charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4fefb5f596charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: allan@physics.umn.edu Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QPad9lf2Rt1MShsbl1AA:9 a=A239ezuWLvaHIEsrTNYA:7 a=dVYg6p1IUcI5VeAVuUD80mmE3SgA:4 a=_p-Fe0jb3yQA:10 a=f5-TTVFIZaoA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1731] On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:02:38PM +0100, charles wrote: > In article , Martin Vethake > wrote: > > How would such a font be useful? In a manner of speaking 'every' font has > > roman numerals. If a font had them in place of the 1-9 range it would > > work only in that range, You couldn't just type 3754 and get a correct > > roman number (IIIVIIVIV is rubbish). > > indeed. > it should be MMMDCCLIV Funnily enough we were talking about this just the other day (it was a silly discussion involving naming our compute nodes using roman numerals). Once you get above 5000 (or so), you need those characters with bars above them... Graham -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - allan@physics.umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 18 14:12:09 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KrAHc-16T000-06-BvX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:12:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KrAHc-16T000-06-BvX; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:47:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KrAHc-16T000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:47:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KrAHc-0005kz-3u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:47:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ACB0A8DA1F; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11709-07; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C133CA8DACC; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 016F5A8DA1F for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11450-02 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com (smtp12.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3155A8BDE1 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1KrAGw-0001rd-1v for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:47:06 +0900 Received: from 218.47.21.152 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:47:06 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:47:06 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EG0ZA-IMqacsGqVxrqUA:9 a=ZTt0wz_9vLJ5K-yOJ1EA:7 a=j3Tbnzx_XGCKVY1TXPbosXZrazEA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1731] 2008年10月17日付けの"Dave Symes" のメールによると： >After you posted, I did have a search around for a Roman Numeral TrueType >font, but even though a zillion places showed up in the search results, >not a one actually had a Roman numeral font. > >Dave S Oh, i! :-) Ian P. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 18 15:11:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KrCO1-3dz000-06-9p8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:11:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KrCO1-3dz000-06-9p8; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:02:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KrCO1-3dz000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:02:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KrCO0-0002CT-Kw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:02:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FA09A8D96C; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04253-04-9; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 894F3A8D76C; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6584EA8D96C for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04096-02 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33C61A8CBA2 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KrCNM-000DMn-DS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:01:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:00:25 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number References: <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=AtX7DVhWM1d_lFUV5YIA:7 a=JMO7S33V4h1lnwb8ULv_9fyU2fUA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1731] Hi, Interesting discussion... I've a couple of comments. There is a function itors() which gives the roman string for a decimal number. You could define a macro with a body of: {macv=itors(222)} if you wanted to insert the roman string for 222. It would be very simple to turn this into an applet which provided someway of collecting the number from the user. In fact it might be possible to do it as a macro. itors == Integer TO Roman String - a poor name with hindsight. Secondly, roman strings appear in auto numbered paragraphs. There is probably a way of numbering pages using this (if the built in page numbers are not what you want) - something like an auto link chain of frames loaded with a big file of sequences. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 18 15:11:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KrCSB-4aAknw-07-9ky.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:11:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KrCSB-4aAknw-07-9ky; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:06:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KrCSB-4aAknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:06:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KrCSA-00016l-VV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:06:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B597A8DAC5; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04962-03; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 004CEA8CDF0; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFE9DA8DAC5 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04780-05 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75FC5A8CBA2 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-195-156.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.195.156]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m9IE66ZD012521 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:06:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:37:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert page number Message-ID: <4ff037742cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4fefb3ae1ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1019 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=an4JGLRgiXQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-PJIOcMhMb7rJXIWidIA:9 a=ilIJnL23JvSUfl5IwxgA:7 a=xVW6jX5WhwEevyfMHzi3Jm2w4-0A:4 a=pyUrM9oW_S0A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.1/1731] In article , Ian Platt wrote: Dave Symes" wrote: > >After you posted, I did have a search around for a Roman Numeral > >TrueType font, but even though a zillion places showed up in the search > >results, not a one actually had a Roman numeral font. > > > >Dave S > Oh, i! > :-) > Ian P. That's a better answer. 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Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:45:07 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Of5bPo1fePsCHyP2_e4A:9 a=dXjdkBbQ8ENH4F7MO0AA:7 a=EeAVB6xuiwooHD8mB24icppRqY4A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.2/1735] There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full stop, which becomes more evident when there are several such lines close together. I find that these lines do not always align to the right margin (neither on screen nor in print). Playing with the enhanced justification settings fails to rectify the problem. Has anyone else noticed this, and found a solution? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 21 12:39:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KsFTO-30SVbs-01-Cvt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:39:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KsFTO-30SVbs-01-Cvt; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:32:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KsFTO-30SVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:32:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KsFTN-0003hP-Ha for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:32:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82238A8FBFD; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23657-07; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E49E9A8FBDC; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:31:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C21ABA8FB88 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23587-03 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail17.bluewin.ch (mail17.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BF71A8FB6B for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:31:44 -0400 (EDT) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[85.3.57.96] Epoch[1224588703] Received: from [85.3.57.96] ([85.3.57.96:8963] helo=iyonix.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail17.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.32 r(25176)) with ESMTP id E8/24-18676-F9DBDF84; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:31:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: fonts@eff.co.uk From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1021 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2UzfPopd1pTGbfmgEN4A:9 a=4rNMWA8_0iiAQy--qkwA:7 a=2sWcVA2f1VcJB7KA90qndqNsxaMA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.2/1735] In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full > stop, which becomes more evident when there are several such lines close > together. I find that these lines do not always align to the right > margin (neither on screen nor in print). Playing with the enhanced > justification settings fails to rectify the problem. > Has anyone else noticed this, and found a solution? Yes and yes, use another font. Now a longer reply. If you look at the size of a full stop in a font editing program you will see it is slightly more than the diameter of the full stop itself. I believe this to be approx. 0,2mm to 0,5mm. You can see this in a OP document at 1000%; select Ruler and set some vertical guidelines. Another way to visualize this is to place the caret at the end of the line. If this ends with a full stop you'll see that the caret is somewhat to the right of the full stop. When the line ends with a letter the caret "touches" this letter. The difference is far greater with Corpus or Evenletter. With these fonts the full stop will appear exactly in the middle under the last letter at the end of the line above. What precedes is valid for serif fonts. Non serif fonts sometimes use more space than the design of the letter is wide (e.g. in Homerton the letter o versus the letter t). Wider space than the letter/token design also exists for the hyphen (in Trinity) and some other tokens. Maybe EFF have fonts with "zero" size to the right of the full stop and other tokens concerned, so I send them a copy of this message (hoping the address is correct). -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 21 13:54:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KsGb4-4Kaknw-02-BoD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:54:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KsGb4-4Kaknw-02-BoD; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:44:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KsGb4-4Kaknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:44:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KsGb1-0005Fy-VO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:44:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66FA2A8E54B; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31909-05; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF040A7BEC3; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9539A8E54B for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31781-07 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A713EA8C61C for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KsGaN-0003wq-4Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:43:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:42:06 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1022 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=eqoOmBPj6JCwrC6neXEA:7 a=lybuJVsTj-hOIvB6kpzIdKqlwdIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.2/1735] In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full >stop, which becomes more evident when there are several such lines >close together. I find that these lines do not always align to the >right margin (neither on screen nor in print). Playing with the >enhanced justification settings fails to rectify the problem. It's hard to say without seeing an example. One thought that occurred to me is that on Windows characters are painted on pixel boundaries, and pixels are quite wide (e.g. 120 per inch). To improve on screen results OPW has to do some fiddling inserting pixels. It's different on RISC OS where the font painting takes place at a much higher resolution (1/72000 th's of an inch). Anyway my suggestion is to turn on direct PostScript output, and view the results (on a PostScript printer or GhostScript/GSView). OPW's direct PostScript works at much higher resolution. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 21 19:39:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KsM5o-3P1000-06-Epz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:39:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KsM5o-3P1000-06-Epz; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:36:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KsM5o-3P1000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:36:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KsM5d-0005yz-Ec for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:36:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E63E9A9055C; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15319-01; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BB2DA90556; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B362A904FB for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14886-08 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f19.google.com (mail-gx0-f19.google.com [209.85.217.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37CDEA90504 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so5922025gxk.10 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.50.5 with SMTP id x5mr7456106agx.39.1224614082686; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm1114463agd.25.2008.10.21.11.34.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48FE20BE.803@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:34:38 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MPelOkGkslrrmgmMdK0A:9 a=Fw-uZEa3ngSHPDKT9UIA:7 a=-cOIOmWLm2KCSddrxLpOVVPykk0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=6L240moY9qwA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.2/1735] Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full >> stop, which becomes more evident when there are several such lines close >> together. I find that these lines do not always align to the right >> margin (neither on screen nor in print). Playing with the enhanced >> justification settings fails to rectify the problem. > >> Has anyone else noticed this, and found a solution? > > Yes and yes, use another font. Not really an option. It's part of an entire book, set in TimesNewRoman > Now a longer reply. > > If you look at the size of a full stop in a font editing program you > will see it is slightly more than the diameter of the full stop > itself. I believe this to be approx. 0,2mm to 0,5mm. You can see this > in a OP document at 1000%; select Ruler and set some vertical > guidelines. > Another way to visualize this is to place the caret at the end of > the line. If this ends with a full stop you'll see that the caret is > somewhat to the right of the full stop. When the line ends with a > letter the caret "touches" this letter. > > The difference is far greater with Corpus or Evenletter. With these > fonts the full stop will appear exactly in the middle under the last > letter at the end of the line above. > > What precedes is valid for serif fonts. Non serif fonts sometimes use > more space than the design of the letter is wide (e.g. in Homerton the > letter o versus the letter t). Wider space than the letter/token > design also exists for the hyphen (in Trinity) and some other tokens. > > Maybe EFF have fonts with "zero" size to the right of the full stop > and other tokens concerned, so I send them a copy of this message > (hoping the address is correct). Interesting, I'll look at this. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 21 19:54:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KsMAN-2RwVbs-02-ElQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:54:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KsMAN-2RwVbs-02-ElQ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:41:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KsMAN-2RwVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:41:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KsMAL-0001ll-Hq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:41:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFAEFA8FF65; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15801-04; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 436C8A900B2; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:40:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 968A4A8FF65 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15686-08 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.185]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CD07A8FEA5 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j66so916657rne.9 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.32.18 with SMTP id f18mr9221686agf.84.1224614430363; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm1115163agd.25.2008.10.21.11.40.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:40:27 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JiZqjSHPFQGNkVNOwXMA:9 a=5LOxxwWyGUb1MA_xgBUA:7 a=I_6X9zyQ7MgGoLPc_T7QI9Pof3AA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.2/1735] David Pilling wrote: > In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full >> stop ... > > It's hard to say without seeing an example. OK, I can arrange that ... > Anyway my suggestion is to turn on direct PostScript output, and view > the results (on a PostScript printer or GhostScript/GSView). OPW's > direct PostScript works at much higher resolution. Thanks for the suggestion. However ... with Direct PostScript on (generic setting) and printing to Acrobat Distiller (version in Acrobat 4) I see no difference (I'll make this available, too). -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 22 21:04:04 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ksi9I-009Vbs-06-9pX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:04:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ksi9I-009Vbs-06-9pX; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ksi9I-009Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ksi9F-00049h-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D315A9118E; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16381-02; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4D50A91247; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E1C9A9118E for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16099-09 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrmta01.talkactive.net (usrmta01.talkactive.net [195.128.174.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C029A9117C for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2padua (cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl [84.27.225.213]) (Authenticated sender: 2ndhalf@nlmdemarteau.nl) by usrmta01.talkactive.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7E6224B3 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:08:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003201c93471$379af220$6402a8c0@2padua> From: "Tonnie-mw Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro" References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:08:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1025 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: 2ndhalf@nlmdemarteau.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=J3bvj-FmWGKfE423_b0A:9 a=ASUZsDjAM0R0s6kdWpIA:7 a=OwVPGlRCHUKp_YU2QBrPbPU94DEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.8.2/1739] On Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:34 PM , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full >> stop, which becomes more evident when there are several such lines close >> together. I find that these lines do not always align to the right >> margin (neither on screen nor in print). Playing with the enhanced >> justification settings fails to rectify the problem. > ... > If you look at the size of a full stop in a font editing program you > will see it is slightly more than the diameter of the full stop > itself. This is also true for other chars. Before and after. This is called the character width. When you apply kerning between 2 chars, you change the total width between outline of 2 characters. > The difference is far greater with Corpus or Evenletter. With these > fonts the full stop will appear exactly in the middle under the last > letter at the end of the line above. Of course. Both fonts are monospaced. Each character has the same character width (= space before and space after outline of character and the width of the character itself). For a full stop there is more space before and after the outline than for a character like M or W. What can be seen for the full stop, is also visible for exclamation mark, comma, colon and semi colon. And maybe other characters. Same for quotation mark and apostrophe, when used as first char in a line of text. This isn't wrong. It is essential for a proportional spaced font. Same goes for height and width of outlines of characters. Several measurements are 'optical' or 'visual' correct, but metrical not. An 'o' or 'p' or 'm' are higher than an 'i' or 'v' or 'z'. A bow is always metrical higher or wider than a horizontal or vertical flat part of a character. Tonnie Demarteau To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 14:27:01 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ku6Ly-0jIGPo-04-8s1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:27:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ku6Ly-0jIGPo-04-8s1; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ku6Ly-0jIGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ku6Ly-0000IH-6q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2AE3A94AC2; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30892-07; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BC2BA94B38; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:11:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0837A94AC2 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30827-04 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBFBAA9413E for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ku6LK-00077I-Oy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:11:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:10:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=8NHCoXiXisUDAup-4NsA:7 a=RzgJtvB4opQhRow0evJiy_1QOJ0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] In message <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >David Pilling wrote: >> In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full >>>stop OK, Clive sent me an example and the error is large - so nothing to do with pixel rounding etc. I've investigated and it is a bug. I think the problem has arisen because of differences in the Acorn and Windows C compilers. I'll put a fixed version on the Ovation Pro CD web site this afternoon - Sunday 26th October - www.davidpilling.com/cd The problem is in text formatting, so you'll have to force a "reflow" of the text. If only one line is a problem just delete a character and put it back, to reflow the whole document make a change to the bodytext style, close the edit style window, and then go back and put the style back to what it was, I suggest changing the background colour of text. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 15:57:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ku7oT-1BI000-07-Fw2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:57:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ku7oT-1BI000-07-Fw2; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:45:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ku7oT-1BI000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:45:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ku7oP-0006aK-7b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:45:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3F7CA94375; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05259-10; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1870BA94253; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BE73A9409A for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05177-09 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAF2BA8D486 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so62729uge.11 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr1484042ugg.55.1225035913782; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm849610uga.49.2008.10.26.08.45.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:45:10 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XyssPTbnB6dBKyAoLOUA:9 a=YyIKuyIAjQxjH9Bu4BsA:7 a=0NcZ8rQVPdRkGX_vsD92jdmzaPwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] David Pilling wrote: > In message <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>>> There appears to be a consistent problem when a line ends in a full >>>> stop > > OK, Clive sent me an example and the error is large - so nothing to do > with pixel rounding etc. I've investigated and it is a bug. I think the > problem has arisen because of differences in the Acorn and Windows C > compilers. > > I'll put a fixed version on the Ovation Pro CD web site this afternoon - > Sunday 26th October - www.davidpilling.com/cd > > The problem is in text formatting, so you'll have to force a "reflow" of > the text. If only one line is a problem just delete a character and put > it back, to reflow the whole document make a change to the bodytext > style, close the edit style window, and then go back and put the style > back to what it was, I suggest changing the background colour of text. Thanks. I see a definite improvement to the example I sent you, tho' there is still a slight variation in the positions of line endings with respect to the right margin. (n.b. OPW Help tells me I'm using the 26 October version, and I've reflowed the text as per your instructions). The new version of the example file can be found in the usual place. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 16:27:04 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ku8Kn-2Cq000-04-FPi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:27:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ku8Kn-2Cq000-04-FPi; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:19:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ku8Kn-2Cq000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:19:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ku8Kn-00060S-5d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:19:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A69EA93F4C; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07891-10; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BBDAA94192; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6D41A93F4C for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07852-06 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94119A93D4F for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so66369uge.11 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.18 with SMTP id n18mr1495291ugh.60.1225037920854; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w28sm885697uge.5.2008.10.26.09.18.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:18:37 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Corrupted OPW file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1028 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wsjTj6ZJMJEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8aCvsp7rW-BLOux_WuAA:9 a=9T2XK8DkCuYicz3-r1QA:7 a=LokDDp_wDyrc7ee5Yf7loAwER5YA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] I have an OPW document that was created back in January 2007. On trying to open it today, I get the error message: "Document contents have changed since being saved". Can anyone suggest what may have gone wrong, and if/how the file might be recovered? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 17:57:11 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ku9qp-0glknw-07-Dtg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:57:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ku9qp-0glknw-07-Dtg; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:56:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ku9qp-0glknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:56:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ku9qo-00031t-M2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:56:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FE79A94C65; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14255-04; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C664A94C43; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E29EA94C65 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14163-02 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39F78A94C2A for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ku9qB-000EDn-Js for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:55:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:54:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1029 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=7qMcbxa3yuFZ-YxbuHcA:7 a=N8Lg_ELttIRmoJ5ygvWU_1jS3cUA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] In message <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Thanks. I see a definite improvement to the example I sent you, tho' >there is still a slight variation in the positions of line endings with >respect to the right margin. Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full stops are next to different preceding characters. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 18:12:07 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KuA3s-1A7knw-01-Dgd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:12:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KuA3s-1A7knw-01-Dgd; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:10:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KuA3s-1A7knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:10:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KuA3r-00010b-VM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:10:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69141A94C58; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14798-06; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6FA3A90220; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C98FA94C58 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14632-03 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 097CFA932C7 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KuA3F-0001nG-Mu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:09:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:07:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Corrupted OPW file References: <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wsjTj6ZJMJEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HQT2ScBx0tfdX-pZb2UA:9 a=VG1m2I3nj0tuhHP0XS8A:7 a=zPIoBiqe03cN2hvzu-kCxhQ0CksA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] In message <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I have an OPW document that was created back in January 2007. On trying >to open it today, I get the error message: "Document contents have >changed since being saved". > >Can anyone suggest what may have gone wrong, and if/how the file might >be recovered? I put in a check of the contents of documents to spot if files were corrupted whilst on disc - in other words this error indicates that a file has been damaged by the filing system (and not by Ovation). Once in a while when I turn on my Windows computer it tells me it is checking the file system - it grinds away for half an hour and then boots as normal. What it doesn't tell me is that whilst it does this, it sometimes deletes files or changes their contents. (yes I did buy a new disc drive and reinstall Windows). I'd have a look at the file, does Windows show the length as something reasonable for what you think is in it. Load it into Notepad, do the contents look reasonable - I'm saying that as a programmer, but if you've now got a file of all zeros or FF's or there is no meaningful text in it, there's not much hope. I believe you can turn off the check on file contents when loading from OP general choices* - if you're lucky whatever has changed may not be serious. I'd try this first. (* Check documents after loading) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 18:27:08 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KuADj-1Wcknw-06-DWm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:27:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KuADj-1Wcknw-06-DWm; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KuADj-1Wcknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KuADj-0001hZ-0q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85498A94541; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15715-01; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02CD5A93984; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1B06A94524 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15477-01 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AB14A93AC2 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KuAD4-000Gn5-LP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:19:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:18:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1031 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=ZW26-d-bzcSibDHtfoYA:7 a=Wp8TlCzGy1-J44STyeMs6J-_KXEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] In message , David Pilling writes >Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full stops >are next to different preceding characters. I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in enhanced justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one which is out of alignment) and the full stops then line up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm1005198ugf.11.2008.10.26.11.34.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4904B832.4070609@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:34:26 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Corrupted OPW file References: <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wsjTj6ZJMJEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eJ3vJrYh-sECDzi_3UoA:9 a=ShPsH5H-1QSX_cvjA1gA:7 a=FyhnGfAZkmLCm8LSTR9e1W4MhPsA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I have an OPW document that was created back in January 2007. On >> trying to open it today, I get the error message: "Document contents >> have changed since being saved". >> >> Can anyone suggest what may have gone wrong, and if/how the file might >> be recovered? > > I believe you can turn off the check on file contents when loading from > OP general choices* - if you're lucky whatever has changed may not be > serious. I'd try this first. > > (* Check documents after loading) Brilliant, that does it. Thank you very much ... you've just saved me at least a day's work! Interestingly, opening the problem file with switched off, then re-saving it with a different file name, seems to have created a file that is OK. Time will tell. -- C.B. 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(5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm1003356ugf.24.2008.10.26.11.36.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:36:38 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FFHpQaHzlEDZHMn1IEMA:9 a=NdrFpqBXbTSdMEfvgW8A:7 a=b4bbN8O3xjLCy3EExOiluooOXisA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >> Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >> this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full stops >> are next to different preceding characters. > > I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in enhanced > justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one which is out of > alignment) and the full stops then line up. I'd noticed that, and I can live with that solution. Thanks. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 21:42:14 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KuDFk-3G9Vbs-01-AUl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:42:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KuDFk-3G9Vbs-01-AUl; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:34:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KuDFk-3G9Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:34:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KuDFk-00075r-AQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:34:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF8F1A94AE0; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32167-03; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 535FDA94ACB; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:33:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5610DA94AE0 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32049-03 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FA69A94921 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KuDF6-0007An-Mc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:33:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:32:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Corrupted OPW file References: <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk> <4904B832.4070609@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4904B832.4070609@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wsjTj6ZJMJEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=eQa1yDvhVOFqGjymOcsA:7 a=glLBcwv_Fafe38NhyZ54XbuEK5wA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] In message <4904B832.4070609@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Brilliant, that does it. Thank you very much ... you've just saved me >at least a day's work! Interestingly, opening the problem file with > switched off, then re-saving it with a >different file name, seems to have created a file that is OK. Time will >tell. The best thing I've done is to tell you the document has been changed. I'd be wondering what the change was. Saving documents in DDL format will allow the many tools for comparing text files to be used on them. Save as DDL then load the DDL will also clean up any corruption in document structure. Beyond that, I hope everyone knows that bytes in files on Windows change randomly, and its not the sort of system to run nuclear power plants, or keep important data on 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 27 12:39:11 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KuRGZ-3CQ000-07-DWy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:39:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KuRGZ-3CQ000-07-DWy; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:32:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KuRGZ-3CQ000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:32:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KuRGY-0000kE-Qg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:32:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B0BDA94BFD; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03265-06; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A020A94E87; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:31:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A6C1A94BFD for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03014-07 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE7BCA949A4 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KuRFu-000H5q-1y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:31:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:28:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Corrupted OPW file References: <4904985D.3020706@ed.ac.uk> <4904B832.4070609@ed.ac.uk> <4ff486fe2djohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ff486fe2djohn@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wsjTj6ZJMJEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hBEnrv8_jOwEHL4hywAA:9 a=Qq-rU_pj37s_XW0OlPwA:7 a=KeZSid7wz_Tty-af1BKHKIDzIBcA:4 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.4/1749] In message <4ff486fe2djohn@acornusers.org>, John M Ward writes >I already keep all my important data on what I call 'proper' computers; >but I shall also bear in mind the warning about the power plants, just Bear in mind that the corruption spotting feature was added in the light of the behaviour of certain RISC OS file systems, and Windows does seem to be widely used by the US and UK armed forces. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 28 11:46:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KuadB-0HQGPo-04-Cgs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:46:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KuadB-0HQGPo-04-Cgs; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:32:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KuadB-0HQGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:32:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kuad8-0001Os-9h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89752A968BB; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09767-09; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03FEFA96022; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEA20A968BB for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09684-02 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90392A96475 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so87330uge.11 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.3 with SMTP id s3mr2472221ugm.68.1225144694692; Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:58:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334ae.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm242617ugc.9.2008.10.27.14.58.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:58:10 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF import into OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1037 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JlIfzhX1OdkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FjcmcR2QXaL280gG7X8A:9 a=OP5kLNKDXqRxUtMRk5MA:7 a=Wpq_quDoEFuGiebJJSdZIRr_55EA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.4/1749] I notice two things when importing RTF files (created by WORD 2008 for Mac) into OPW: 1) The RTF won't go into my default 2-column layout -- a new single column document window is opened displaying the text from the RTF file. 2) If the RTF contains accented characters, then frequently the following character in a word is lost (after import into OPW). If the accented character falls at the end of the word, then the following word space disappears. Are these known issues? Or am I using the RTF filter incorrectly? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 28 12:01:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KunDj-2lqGPo-07-8cq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:01:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KunDj-2lqGPo-07-8cq; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:58:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KunDj-2lqGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:58:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KunDi-0002ip-TQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:58:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 645B6A96215; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10584-09; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFF1CA96202; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81A18A9624F for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10461-02 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5219EA96156 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KunD3-000MyR-CU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:58:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:56:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF import into OPW References: <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JlIfzhX1OdkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MfzwQzdj6x8mXDlqCGEA:9 a=VwS9KoO7JHcbo8c7EawA:7 a=SpzWPId9G2Pfy2q2uLm-GP41R0MA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.4/1751] In message <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >1) The RTF won't go into my default 2-column layout -- a new single >column document window is opened displaying the text from the RTF file. I don't see that as a problem, OP is loading the RTF as a new document (rather than as text), but it should be easy to copy/paste the text into a new document which has columns. >2) If the RTF contains accented characters, then frequently the >following character in a word is lost (after import into OPW). If the >accented character falls at the end of the word, then the following >word space disappears. Sorry, once again, if you can let me have an example I'll try to fix that. I presume it is handling some characters incorrectly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 28 18:00:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kuop2-2v7knw-07-FY3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:00:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kuop2-2v7knw-07-FY3; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:41:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kuop2-2v7knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:41:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kuop1-0007kE-TF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:41:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5F4CA97499; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27220-03; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E007AA974A7; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:40:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3AC8A974D3 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26823-10 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BAACA974A4 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so262509uge.11 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.16.11 with SMTP id t11mr2917507ugi.84.1225201243075; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334ae.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.174]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w40sm1022390ugc.6.2008.10.28.06.40.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49071656.1000907@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:40:38 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF import into OPW References: <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1039 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JlIfzhX1OdkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Nt6B44dFdkT8AHTSLDcA:9 a=9fBCo3TJUjLI7ADUrQ8A:7 a=pUkNLOUTB4vHX4r1PDEQmAPEz48A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.4/1752] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> 2) If the RTF contains accented characters, then frequently the >> following character in a word is lost (after import into OPW). If the >> accented character falls at the end of the word, then the following >> word space disappears. > > Sorry, once again, if you can let me have an example I'll try to fix > that. I presume it is handling some characters incorrectly. Will do, thanks. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling