From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 7 21:41:01 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JtqJV-2R1Vbs-03-FrC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 21:41:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JtqJV-2R1Vbs-03-FrC; Wed, 07 May 2008 20:32:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JtqJV-2R1Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 20:32:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JtqJU-0004Yr-W3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 20:32:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 347C684E2F9; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16729-06; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B408184E392; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 May 2008 16:30:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 607E784E304 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16594-08 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E153984E112 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080507203519.HPMH14647.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 21:35:19 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.57.237]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080507203932.CFLS26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 21:39:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:28:21 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: centre listing To: Ovation software list In-Reply-To: <4f9b745dc0peter@newble.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_SWHQvmNh-4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Go_lROHqhkYQlgQzi7AA:9 a=kX6KUDjz5HsMQlp6arMA:7 a=bRplIZd51crj1QhBty-bkRaTvicA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.9/1419] In on Wed 07 May, P C Newble wrote: > In article <4820DA8F.9080007@internode.on.net>, > Peter Prewett wrote: > > > How can I get Ovation to centre on the = in the following:- > > 1 ton = 1.02 tonne > > 1 foot = 0.305 metre > > 1 yd = 0.91 metre > > 1 mile = 1.61 km > > 1 chain = 20.1 metre > > Create a decimal tab with = in the box next to that option > (instead of the usual decimal point). I like that idea, so tried it. It doesn't quite work here in OPro 2.77 (17 Feb 2008) on RISC OS. I find the alignment to be the first non-numeric character, or perhaps it is the space. Removing the leading 1 from each line and the following list does align the = ton = 1.02 tonne foot = 0.305 metre yd = 0.91 metre mile = 1.61 km chain = 20.1 metre With the same tab stop set as above and various leading numerals the alignment is: 123 ton = 1.02 tonne 112345 foot = 0.305 metre 1 yd = 0.91 metre mile = 1.61 km chain = 20.1 metre Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 7 22:25:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jtqvw-3zeVbs-08-FEl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:25:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jtqvw-3zeVbs-08-FEl; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:12:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jtqvw-3zeVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:12:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jtqvw-0005eR-A6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:12:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5046C84AB88; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21980-05; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2E3984D493; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 May 2008 17:10:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E653784AB88 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21847-09 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B50158476A5 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JtqvH-000KUl-MJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:11:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: Ovation software list Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 22:11:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: centre listing Message-ID: <4f9bebf889peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f9b745dc0peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 682 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sB_1LgfI5zUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nanSEEX5akv_T2dkR6kA:9 a=3BqmM7q4jLckk8awRYQA:7 a=6kuWipN9iBS1AswpmdGCbxGSnpwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.9/1419] In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 07 May, P C Newble wrote: > > In article <4820DA8F.9080007@internode.on.net>, Peter > > Prewett wrote: > > Create a decimal tab with = in the box next to that option > > (instead of the usual decimal point). > I like that idea, so tried it. It doesn't quite work here in > OPro 2.77 (17 Feb 2008) on RISC OS. I find the alignment to be > the first non-numeric character, or perhaps it is the space. > Removing the leading 1 from each line and the following list > does align the = > ton = 1.02 tonne > foot = 0.305 metre > yd = 0.91 metre > mile = 1.61 km > chain = 20.1 metre > With the same tab stop set as above and various leading > numerals the alignment is: > 123 ton = 1.02 tonne > 112345 foot = 0.305 metre > 1 yd = 0.91 metre > mile = 1.61 km > chain = 20.1 metre Very odd. I get exactly the same result. I use 'decimal tabs' a lot, often using a hard space (ASCII 160) as the character to align to, and I've never had a problem like this. It looks as if it's aligning to the first space instead, except that if I change the decimal tab character for that tab from equals to space everything moves slightly. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 7 22:25:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jtqxc-42XVbs-06-FD5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:25:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jtqxc-42XVbs-06-FD5; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:14:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jtqxc-42XVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:14:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JtqxY-0006bH-HL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:14:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9578784C951; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22141-06; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A41084D1C6; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 May 2008 17:12:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F035D84D05E for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22060-02 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw-out-be-03.be08.sunrise.ch (mail-proxy-be-01.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 965DF84C893 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.janvredenburch.smile.ch (abo-be-1-1-dialup-29.spectraweb.ch [194.230.8.29]) by gw-out-be-03.be08.sunrise.ch (8.13.1/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m47LDLJM023825 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 23:13:21 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: centre listing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 23:13:59 +0200 Message-ID: <1231ec9b4f.janvred@janvredenburch.smile.ch> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 683 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cT4qog0sjxoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uTdJC6RqB8yYWkE_jGcA:9 a=q2DAPutObNSbA6iyzQgA:7 a=tIpjy-CR3iqWtXdiMTpkrX5mKeQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.9/1419] In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 07 May, P C Newble wrote: >> In article <4820DA8F.9080007@internode.on.net>, >> Peter Prewett wrote: >> >>> How can I get Ovation to centre on the = in the following:- >>> 1 ton = 1.02 tonne >>> 1 foot = 0.305 metre >>> 1 yd = 0.91 metre >>> 1 mile = 1.61 km >>> 1 chain = 20.1 metre >> >> Create a decimal tab with = in the box next to that option >> (instead of the usual decimal point). > I like that idea, so tried it. It doesn't quite work here in OPro 2.77 (17 > Feb 2008) on RISC OS. I find the alignment to be the first non-numeric > character, or perhaps it is the space. Removing the leading 1 from each line > and the following list does align the = You probably have kerning turned on. The vertical positioning can only be precise if you use tabs. So in your case you need 3 tabs: right, centre and left: ...........R.......C.......L.................. text = more-text (ignore the spaces and full stops, added for clarity) Then both following examples centre on the = sign, depending of course on how you set up the tab stops. > ton = 1.02 tonne > foot = 0.305 metre > yd = 0.91 metre > mile = 1.61 km > chain = 20.1 metre > With the same tab stop set as above and various leading numerals the > alignment is: > 123 ton = 1.02 tonne > 112345 foot = 0.305 metre > 1 yd = 0.91 metre > mile = 1.61 km > chain = 20.1 metre > Anthony -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 8 11:54:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JtrNp-0KVGPo-06-Ems.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 11:54:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JtrNp-0KVGPo-06-Ems; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:41:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JtrNp-0KVGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:41:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JtrNp-0001F4-2i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 21:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E04984D295; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25032-02; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74F4A84D077; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 May 2008 17:39:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AE4A84D5B5 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24920-03 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw-out-be-04.be08.sunrise.ch (mail-proxy-be-01.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4659184D59C for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 17:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.janvredenburch.smile.ch (abo-ls-1-1-dialup-174.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.174]) by gw-out-be-04.be08.sunrise.ch (8.13.1/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m47LeVjF015800 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 23:40:31 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: centre listing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 23:41:17 +0200 Message-ID: <09b1ee9b4f.janvred@janvredenburch.smile.ch> References: <4f9b745dc0peter@newble.com> <4f9bebf889peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4f9bebf889peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 684 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fwfeZedMl7YA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h-LDisREkq1OnIhDa6YA:9 a=Kim6y0B6BArp7wKk51oA:7 a=qG7872y42NdJ1itUM6k4vmhWX7gA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.9/1419] In message <4f9bebf889peter@newble.com> P C Newble wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In on Wed 07 May, P C Newble wrote: >>> In article <4820DA8F.9080007@internode.on.net>, Peter >>> Prewett wrote: >>> Create a decimal tab with = in the box next to that option >>> (instead of the usual decimal point). >> I like that idea, so tried it. It doesn't quite work here in >> OPro 2.77 (17 Feb 2008) on RISC OS. I find the alignment to be >> the first non-numeric character, or perhaps it is the space. >> Removing the leading 1 from each line and the following list >> does align the = >> ton = 1.02 tonne >> foot = 0.305 metre >> yd = 0.91 metre >> mile = 1.61 km >> chain = 20.1 metre >> With the same tab stop set as above and various leading >> numerals the alignment is: >> 123 ton = 1.02 tonne >> 112345 foot = 0.305 metre >> 1 yd = 0.91 metre >> mile = 1.61 km >> chain = 20.1 metre > Very odd. I get exactly the same result. I use 'decimal tabs' a > lot, often using a hard space (ASCII 160) as the character to > align to, and I've never had a problem like this. > It looks as if it's aligning to the first space instead, except > that if I change the decimal tab character for that tab from > equals to space everything moves slightly. Further to my earlier message; Centre tab and decimal tab do *not* position text in the same way. Any token at a centre tab is positioned exactly in the middle of this tab. But with a decimal tab the equal sign is placed to the right hand side of the tab's position. On the other hand, if you use Ascii 142 as token, this will be placed to the left of the decimal tab. (I am not sure but believe the = sign is the only one that moves to the right, all other characters move to the left.) -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 8 11:54:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JtsTA-2bZGPo-08-DhX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 11:54:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JtsTA-2bZGPo-08-DhX; Wed, 07 May 2008 22:50:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JtsTA-2bZGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 22:50:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JtsTA-0005u3-AY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 May 2008 22:50:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8EBB84DBD6; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03901-02; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6418B84DE41; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 May 2008 18:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9503784DBD6 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00718-06 for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5925A84DBBC for ; Wed, 7 May 2008 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E1D481C00084 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from standalone. (unknown [91.105.200.170]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A07A51C00082 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:49:57 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080507224957657.A07A51C00082@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 23:49:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro 2/77 (20 Jan 2007) Message-ID: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 685 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=A3aocll3kvsA:15 a=P4vqUWS6JLsA:10 a=UVHhlUlt7qUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Lqvx4pQ-uCEWJUPSnTkA:9 a=Hrbek9DwSlKbdT6kDcoA:7 a=F1-fTH8d5hAMacBZJC-yeIDDVDUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.9/1419] In Application Choices, text, I have PC-style delete ticked. It used to work fine, but now does nothing. What to do, please? Regards to all, -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / Virtual _______________________________/ RiscPC - Adjust To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 8 11:54:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ju2rx-3kMknw-03-BpG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 11:54:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ju2rx-3kMknw-03-BpG; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:56:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ju2rx-3kMknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:56:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ju2rw-0000Va-T0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:56:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B0F684DF24; Thu, 8 May 2008 05:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25931-02; Thu, 8 May 2008 05:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFEB784E229; Thu, 8 May 2008 05:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 May 2008 05:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4868F84E113 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 05:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25834-02 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 05:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12A7384DF24 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 05:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ju2rI-00079u-B8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 10:56:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 10:56:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: centre listing Message-ID: <4f9c31f696chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <1231ec9b4f.janvred@janvredenburch.smile.ch> References: <1231ec9b4f.janvred@janvredenburch.smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: f72f39294c1682542d9883f374b9c0a2 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 686 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zt1KCLUObBQA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Yv5R577IEAhv_r3CIToA:9 a=lDkYLNsy059YbZWS5iIA:7 a=gXM0-x-uYIUaWcpbb2xLv85Yfq4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.9/1419] In article <1231ec9b4f.janvred@janvredenburch.smile.ch>, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > You probably have kerning turned on. The vertical positioning can only > be precise if you use tabs. So in your case you need 3 tabs: right, > centre and left: > ...........R.......C.......L.................. > text = more-text (ignore the spaces and full > stops, added for clarity) Yes. That's the way I always did it for things like chemical equations (using the greek/symbol font right arrow, perhaps preceded by an em type hyphen to make the arrow longer), and even maths equations. It always worked very well. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 8 12:09:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ju3qv-0dLGPo-07-AqI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 12:09:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ju3qv-0dLGPo-07-AqI; Thu, 08 May 2008 10:59:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ju3qv-0dLGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 May 2008 10:59:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ju3qv-0000wr-Hw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 May 2008 10:59:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AA9E84E2DE; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31392-07; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B052A84E3C9; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 May 2008 06:57:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 708F484E2A8 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 04:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18716-03 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 04:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx4.orcon.net.nz (mx4.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A13984DF0F for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 04:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx4.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ju16l-0000i9-Sn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 20:04:07 +1200 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx4.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ju16l-0000hx-Kp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 20:04:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 20:05:21 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2/77 (20 Jan 2007) Message-ID: <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Thu, 08 May 2008 20:04:07 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 8 20:04:07 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6291 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 687 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WKfLm5h1_7kA:15 a=apTee2BNynoA:10 a=RZnLj-uTargA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sHqGgupx5ee2cv9T53sA:9 a=eUtLFwYEe8iNwuuG_osA:7 a=gjdyVKLabXNZf7N94m3J2NS0feAA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.10/1421] On 08 May, Colin Wood wrote: > In Application Choices, text, I have PC-style delete ticked. It used > to work fine, but now does nothing. > What to do, please? What setting do you have for RISC OS if you double-click on !Configure in Apps? (in Input -> keyboard right at the bottom) regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 8 12:09:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ju3sj-0jLGPo-04-AoU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 12:09:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ju3sj-0jLGPo-04-AoU; Thu, 08 May 2008 11:01:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ju3sj-0jLGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 May 2008 11:01:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ju3si-0002vp-U7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 May 2008 11:01:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C02784E40D; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31666-10; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E094984E434; Thu, 8 May 2008 07:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 May 2008 06:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D9C184E416 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31632-04 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BA7384E38D for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 06:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ju3s5-0006vj-AD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 11:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:59:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: centre listing References: <1231ec9b4f.janvred@janvredenburch.smile.ch> <4f9c31f696chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4f9c31f696chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 688 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=tfYoVTF1yOCQtTV3EAAA:7 a=dHN76qeIPIuQibhTDbsrOg5b3f4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.10/1421] In message <4f9c31f696chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes Interesting discussion. The thought occurs to me that although you can specify the decimal tab character, the decimal tab code "understands" numbers. In other words it treats 0123456789+-e specially. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(unknown [91.105.231.155]) by mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9D9541C00084 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 13:32:36 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080508113236645.9D9541C00084@mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 12:32:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2/77 (20 Jan 2007) Message-ID: <4f9c3aca5ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz> References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 689 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zl0NsjIPJoIA:15 a=apTee2BNynoA:10 a=RZnLj-uTargA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r9MTpzs-GiRdaedT3NYA:9 a=lh-5SGk8BfqRlbFzyIQA:7 a=AEhzlrnbT64Az6m9jIN5ZaRituUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.10/1421] In article <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 08 May, Colin Wood wrote: > > In Application Choices, text, I have PC-style delete ticked. It > > used to work fine, but now does nothing. > > What to do, please? > What setting do you have for RISC OS if you double-click on > !Configure in Apps? (in Input -> keyboard right at the bottom) > regards, > -- > Robert Greenfield Thanks, Robert - 'PCdelete (delete removes next character)' is ticked (and num lock is enabled) Kind regards, -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / Virtual _______________________________/ RiscPC - Adjust To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ecartis@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:20:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jx6zj-0KbVbs-08-9Eq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:20:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jx6zj-0KbVbs-08-9Eq; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:57:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jx6zj-0KbVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:57:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jx6zj-0003nY-7l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:57:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D4608510E3 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16132-10 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 226F5851129 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC7368510E3 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16145-09 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B10C785112C for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freelists.org by freelists.org (ECARTIS/1.0.0); Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Message-ID: X-ecartis-antiloop: freelists.org Precedence: list Subject: davidpilling: davidpilling@freelists.org post needs approval X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qMvfEB7gQC0A:15 a=w2dUYMvZtHoA:10 a=r8S3hSJMWwEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=x70ETmylAAAA:8 a=-wyVga4hAAAA:8 a=AySEZQvDeyjS9egB7EcA:9 a=djh5-ysf0JARatMVq40A:7 a=jYVoMAbKPnnA84iQbyWLPmafoxoA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1446] This message was received for a list you are a moderator on, and was marked for moderation due to the following reason: Non-member submission to closed-post list. 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// eompost 482E08E2:5D73.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:20:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxApk-0OE000-02-DvL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:20:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxApk-0OE000-02-DvL; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:03:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxApk-0OE000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:03:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxApk-0000Dt-Gp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:03:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AF778511E0; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02752-10; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AF0B8511EC; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 May 2008 21:00:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 435598511E0 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02665-07 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 912918511DB for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:00:41 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkAAO/KLUh5LEWu/2dsb2JhbAAIrVU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,500,1204464600"; d="scan'208";a="104185740" Received: from ppp121-44-69-174.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.69.174]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 17 May 2008 10:32:51 +0930 Message-ID: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 11:03:27 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Hard spaces Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 690 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zm1er--fx7wA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EGJ3f1WTItIG9J1FIlkA:9 a=AvhaQRIt6ENjkdfrijEA:7 a=Cs1cysb5G69dZTF_YIIriVOzrZQA:4 a=birkmQ2h4YEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1448] Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows document when it is fully justified. so that a persons name Mr A.B.Cdefgh does not get split. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:21:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxF0O-3JIknw-08-9kh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:21:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxF0O-3JIknw-08-9kh; Sat, 17 May 2008 05:30:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxF0O-3JIknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 05:30:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxF0O-0006kD-62 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 05:30:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95473850E0C; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16746-03; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B197850DA5; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 May 2008 01:27:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61D1E850E0C for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16554-08 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28142850DFF for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 01:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JxEzj-0008Hh-Vd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:30:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces To: Ovation software list From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 06:30:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: 48f1611f9f35a62f208eb9043b39c878 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 691 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KTHnsWsREwoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ggi2iNcf670hovKI9WAA:9 a=pq8eIl5WVK9VepE73SIA:7 a=yNaHfexdhX8yASc8l70ajRqD0GoA:4 a=zw6h1A24o64A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1448] In message <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows document > when it is fully justified. > so that a persons name Mr A.B.Cdefgh does not get split. > Peter Just use ALT/SPACE to insert a hard space between words of a phrase so that they don't get split up over a line end. Bernard -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:21:01 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxFY4-1xWGPo-07-9D1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:21:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxFY4-1xWGPo-07-9D1; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:05:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxFY4-1xWGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:05:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxFY0-0005D2-7I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:05:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7319F850EF3; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18431-04; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7403850F59; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 May 2008 02:02:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47A11850EF3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18319-06 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AD38850AA3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:02:40 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au8AAD4RLkh5LEWu/2dsb2JhbAAIrH4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,500,1204464600"; d="scan'208";a="104317237" Received: from ppp121-44-69-174.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.69.174]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 17 May 2008 15:34:52 +0930 Message-ID: <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 16:05:27 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces References: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 692 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zm1er--fx7wA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mDX76HvTtvZ2u7dCXkUA:9 a=Q1p9SQJ5FHIn0HRuiMsA:7 a=xm33v9bn8mJMWDLgMikWr081t54A:4 a=zoKOyUDlhksA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1448] Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> > Peter Prewett wrote: > > >> Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows document >> when it is fully justified. >> so that a persons name Mr A.B.Cdefgh does not get split. >> Peter >> > > Just use ALT/SPACE to insert a hard space between words of a phrase so > that they don't get split up over a line end. > > Bernard > Its in the line that I am concerned about, I do not want them expanded with full justification some words need to have a hard space between not lot of arbitrary space. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:21:01 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxFta-2fjGPo-07-8rV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:21:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxFta-2fjGPo-07-8rV; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxFta-2fjGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxFta-0006I8-5d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C5D1850E93; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19713-07; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6EF8850E46; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 May 2008 02:24:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66F57850E93 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19555-04 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.microlite8.com (server.microlite8.com [207.44.158.114]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39934850E57 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.newble.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by server.microlite8.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id m4H6PWsq030576 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:32 +0100 Received: from 160.79.182.210 (SquirrelMail authenticated user peter@newble.com) by www.newble.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50451.160.79.182.210.1211005532.squirrel@www.newble.com> In-Reply-To: <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> References: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 693 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BJkNE7LrLfoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0s08GHard7a_udnzKy8A:9 a=-PRMnLliSg52uQvDr0QA:7 a=OkDt_DzpnMWf-9pW6_p5g-4lHGkA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1448] > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> In message <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> >> Peter Prewett wrote: >> >>> Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows documen= t >>> when it is fully justified. >>> so that a persons name Mr A.B.Cdefgh does not get split. >> >> Just use ALT/SPACE to insert a hard space between words of a phrase so >> that they don't get split up over a line end. > Its in the line that I am concerned about, I do not want them expanded > with full justification some words need to have a hard space between no= t > lot of arbitrary space. A standard space in most fonts is a quarter of an em, so use shift-tab to= put in a fixed space of 250/1000 of an em (in many cases 200/1000 would look better) and= make sure it is non-breaking. That would be traditional usage between initials, e.g. a= fter the full stops in "J. S. Bach". To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:21:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxFtb-0PuVbs-02-8rU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:21:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxFtb-0PuVbs-02-8rU; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxFtb-0PuVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxFtb-0000cf-Eu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72F33850ECC; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19739-03; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E95E2850E31; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6026850ECC for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19570-07 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.microlite8.com (server.microlite8.com [207.44.158.114]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE1E2850EC5 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 02:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.newble.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by server.microlite8.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id m4H6PZsq030582 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:35 +0100 Received: from 160.79.182.210 (SquirrelMail authenticated user peter@newble.com) by www.newble.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50452.160.79.182.210.1211005535.squirrel@www.newble.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 694 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BJkNE7LrLfoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0s08GHard7a_udnzKy8A:9 a=-PRMnLliSg52uQvDr0QA:7 a=OkDt_DzpnMWf-9pW6_p5g-4lHGkA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1448] > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> In message <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> >> Peter Prewett wrote: >> >>> Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows documen= t >>> when it is fully justified. >>> so that a persons name Mr A.B.Cdefgh does not get split. >> >> Just use ALT/SPACE to insert a hard space between words of a phrase so >> that they don't get split up over a line end. > Its in the line that I am concerned about, I do not want them expanded > with full justification some words need to have a hard space between no= t > lot of arbitrary space. A standard space in most fonts is a quarter of an em, so use shift-tab to= put in a fixed space of 250/1000 of an em (in many cases 200/1000 would look better) and= make sure it is non-breaking. That would be traditional usage between initials, e.g. a= fter the full stops in "J. S. Bach". To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 17 12:35:27 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxKZw-2iYVbs-07-Chf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 12:35:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxKZw-2iYVbs-07-Chf; Sat, 17 May 2008 11:27:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxKZw-2iYVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 11:27:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxKZv-0001sv-Jq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 May 2008 11:27:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7533E850DCE; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05817-02; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDA2D850D22; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 May 2008 07:24:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CB58850CCC for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05711-05 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AF058507C3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2008 07:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JxKZE-000LDA-7B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 May 2008 11:27:12 +0000 Message-ID: <2MC3K+ARDsLIFwkC@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:26:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces References: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 695 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lliH1wHwx_RnojB1S_0A:9 a=vnfGc6vQDwbuBsKBKi0A:7 a=ITqsyRa62oBA6AwtPN8JDkKvyr0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.16/1448] In message <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >>> Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows >>>document >Its in the line that I am concerned about, I do not want them expanded >with full justification some words need to have a hard space between >not lot of arbitrary space. Have a look at the Misc->Insert menu Firstly there is "hard space", but there is also "fixed space..." this will let you insert spaces that are non-breaking but which also do not get expanded with justification. It is explained in the documentation. The same features are in the RISC OS version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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d="scan'208";a="114280084" Received: from ppp121-44-117-19.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.117.19]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 18 May 2008 08:05:03 +0930 Message-ID: <482F5DBD.9040306@internode.on.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:35:41 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces References: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> <2MC3K+ARDsLIFwkC@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2MC3K+ARDsLIFwkC@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 696 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Rm9lbzZ3OUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7x51rzl4DCefNcl7Le4A:9 a=S3EgzwSE13rZXMiJGWAA:7 a=M-W4PvFFOHOhZvBjS3C1AXrnENIA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1452] David Pilling wrote: > In message <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes >>>> Is there a easy way to insert a hard space in a OVpro Windows document >> Its in the line that I am concerned about, I do not want them >> expanded with full justification some words need to have a hard space >> between not lot of arbitrary space. > > Have a look at the Misc->Insert menu > > Firstly there is "hard space", but there is also "fixed space..." this > will let you insert spaces that are non-breaking but which also do not > get expanded with justification. > > It is explained in the documentation. > > The same features are in the RISC OS version. > > So there is not a means of inserting a hard space with a short cut key or a menu item in a line other then going through and setting up each individual space from a table. -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 11:36:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jxaf8-2vc000-01-DfV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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18 May 2008 14:07:38 +0930 Message-ID: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:38:17 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Line spacing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 697 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Rm9lbzZ3OUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-ts1Sc2hBzIeEqCyNdEA:9 a=hFHRZBwUFvHsit0sAkUA:7 a=PwQK-fbBpaXObOdO-y3AHWvTwUEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1452] I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a new line the previous 2 lines close up. What have I done wrong again?? -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 11:36:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxbRR-3u5000-02-CtC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:36:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxbRR-3u5000-02-CtC; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:28:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxbRR-3u5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:28:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxbRQ-0006iT-Qw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:28:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D96B8850ACA; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15946-01; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A029850AA8; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FC05850963 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15867-01 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5968E8507F2 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 01:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JxbQm-0003Xe-ET for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 06:27:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing To: Ovation software list From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 06:27:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: d56386a9d9ca2fb2551ee94eb8a40433 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 698 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3ifebI_5GdIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=B2ToJZTcVceAfFJz5UwA:9 a=36iiYBe7ydQhQ97bvu0A:7 a=TKY3QARZ_Ov4qPBHwGL7rT8DDlsA:4 a=zw6h1A24o64A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1452] In message <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than > the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a > new line the previous 2 lines close up. > What have I done wrong again?? I would select all the text in that frame: Menu > Edit > Select all and do a: Menu > Text > Remove > All local effects and then apply the effects you want all over again. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 11:36:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxcXQ-0ywknw-08-BnD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:36:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxcXQ-0ywknw-08-BnD; Sun, 18 May 2008 06:38:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxcXQ-0ywknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 06:38:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxcXP-0007bK-JF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 06:38:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1DF9850C93; Sun, 18 May 2008 02:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19015-09; Sun, 18 May 2008 02:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45373850D03; Sun, 18 May 2008 02:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 May 2008 02:35:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25476850C93 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 02:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18979-01 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 02:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77486850B22 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 02:35:27 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsBALdqL0h5LHUT/2dsb2JhbAAIq20 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,503,1204464600"; d="scan'208";a="114438277" Received: from ppp121-44-117-19.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.117.19]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 18 May 2008 16:07:46 +0930 Message-ID: <482FCEE1.3080605@internode.on.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:38:25 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 699 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Rm9lbzZ3OUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vZb56oV2oou78Ll7Kd4A:9 a=Ouu8kPd_B3cu23PwAtAA:7 a=pS5YDWfDIpiV4xULOw1t6CjVKZIA:4 a=zoKOyUDlhksA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1452] Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> > Peter Prewett wrote: > > >> I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than >> the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a >> new line the previous 2 lines close up. >> What have I done wrong again?? >> > > I would select all the text in that frame: > Menu > Edit > Select all > and do a: > Menu > Text > Remove > All local effects > and then apply the effects you want all over again. > > Thanks it did not make any difference. What did though was to change the Arial font from 10 to 12 then spacing was correct on screen. Copied table to new document twice and changed the font size in one to 12 point and the 10 point prints with extra spacing and the 12 point is correct. I suppose that's Vista for you, well me. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 11:36:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxexE-0bI000-07-9NP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:36:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxexE-0bI000-07-9NP; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:13:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxexE-0bI000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:13:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxexE-0007cB-5D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 09:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EB4985094B; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26427-04; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A84E4850CD1; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E859085094B for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26372-04 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.217]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F206850409 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 05:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 124-197-47-182.callplus.net.nz ([124.197.47.182] helo=XPHOMEPC) by mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net with SMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1JxewS-0004ZZ-OT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:12:37 +1200 Message-ID: <001301c8b8c7$4a71bdf0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> <482FCEE1.3080605@internode.on.net> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:12:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 700 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5aP6s_NOe10A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MQ_TIQx8fLzB5MfOIToA:9 a=3so-rJ9yGa56l_irEJMA:7 a=vBtagudVtshgsTbZKFG-b6zUZcEA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=plE8mkVoi54A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1452] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Prewett" To: "Ovation software list" Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> In message <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> >> Peter Prewett wrote: >> >> >>> I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than >>> the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a >>> new line the previous 2 lines close up. >>> What have I done wrong again?? I find this happens whenever I type a paragraph. Usually it doesn't matter because the line goes up to its proper position when I press return to start the next para but it can be a pain when you are inserting a para. OvnPro Windows Windows XP Paladin font (if that makes a difference) Dan McCarthy To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 12:06:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jxgg3-0nWGPo-02-GB6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:06:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jxgg3-0nWGPo-02-GB6; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:03:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jxgg3-0nWGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:03:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jxgg2-0002yd-2E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:03:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99291850989; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31764-03; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 159BE850E3E; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 May 2008 07:00:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C5A3850989 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31650-07 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48117850968 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JxgfN-000N5j-CG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:03:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:01:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hard spaces References: <482E2EDF.3080206@internode.on.net> <482E75A7.3080301@internode.on.net> <2MC3K+ARDsLIFwkC@pilling.demon.co.uk> <482F5DBD.9040306@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <482F5DBD.9040306@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4PGkgTJsIQJyfQ5LWvAA:9 a=gU3M30bOs2VJTDWHET8A:7 a=cGWy0CmUgvaTXd811SMbuzTv_5AA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1453] In message <482F5DBD.9040306@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >> Firstly there is "hard space", but there is also "fixed space..." >>this will let >So there is not a means of inserting a hard space with a short cut key >or a menu item in a line other then going through and setting up each >individual space from a table. The fall back position is that you can copy and paste fixed spaces via the clipboard. There are constant macros... quoting from page 122 in the Windows script manual ======================================================= emspace Breaking, non-delimiting em space emspace_d Breaking, delimiting em space emspace_n Non-breaking, non-delimiting em space emspace_nd Non-breaking, delimiting em space enspace Breaking, non-delimiting en space enspace_d Breaking, delimiting en space enspace_n Non-breaking, non-delimiting en space enspace_nd Non-breaking, delimiting en space ======================================================= The point being that you can set up macro keypresses to use these for example define F1 to be {emspace_nd}. The insert menu just consists of a series of definitions like that. I suspect that typographically using these macros may be the right thing, rather than setting off doing lots of different fixed spaces. Finally you can define a macro with a body like this: {ddl("x={story {space 0 56692 0 0}}")} That gets you all the possibilities of fixed space from a macro. How you do know the values after "space" above? - set up a fixed space in some text, select it, and save out as DDL, load into a text editor and read off. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 12:21:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jxgnx-0PPknw-07-G3C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 12:21:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jxgnx-0PPknw-07-G3C; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:11:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jxgnx-0PPknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:11:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jxgnw-0004h3-RF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:11:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D42E8505A9; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32311-03; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C26B5850D11; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 May 2008 07:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01DE8850B57 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32161-03 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C144A850B65 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JxgnE-000Ddt-42 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 May 2008 11:11:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:09:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 702 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EU8Fa5NfgvYzhcPOXxgA:9 a=eJ5kYvAOP9u9rJMBZvsA:7 a=kX8efX_00lIsuEHo6KFq2UK8u08A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1453] In message <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than >the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a >new line the previous 2 lines close up. What tends to happen is that you get say the last code in the paragraph with different effects to the rest of the text - and that code being something like a newline it is invisible. The point is that it can be difficult to select all the text. So this problem arises because you've not selected every bit of the text at some earlier point in proceedings or when you try to follow (e.g. Bernard's) advice to select the text and clear all effects. Perhaps a bit technical but if you select the text and save out the selection as DDL you can see where the effects actually are. In summary then the fix is to select *all the text* and then apply the styles or effects which get the text size right. The trick being in how you select all the text. I would suggest control+caret left (or down as appropriate) and then mark back to the start of the text. Experiment there are lots of ways... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 18 21:22:05 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JxpM8-3AG000-04-G1X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:22:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JxpM8-3AG000-04-G1X; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:19:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JxpM8-3AG000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:19:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JxpM7-0004Gw-Eh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:19:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56D098510DE; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05820-06; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB3608510C3; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 May 2008 16:16:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C39778510E7 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05733-01 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72FD0850C33 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk ([88.202.216.30]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4IKIcpq001610 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:18:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:18:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> <482FCEE1.3080605@internode.on.net> <001301c8b8c7$4a71bdf0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <001301c8b8c7$4a71bdf0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 703 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xpyqX6C6MusA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AREs744tdUIVrsLYi4AA:9 a=IbZ2hL9Sq7nKnuAHPr4A:7 a=kXwZyGgLiXmcLZdXpkqL8FJ1J3IA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.20/1453] In message <001301c8b8c7$4a71bdf0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> "Dan McCarthy" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Prewett" > To: "Ovation software list" > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:38 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing >> Bernard Veasey wrote: >>> In message <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> >>> Peter Prewett wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than >>>> the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a >>>> new line the previous 2 lines close up. >>>> What have I done wrong again?? > I find this happens whenever I type a paragraph. Usually it doesn't matter > because the line goes up to its proper position when I press return to start > the next para > but it can be a pain when you are inserting a para. > OvnPro Windows > Windows XP > Paladin font (if that makes a difference) It happens on the RISC OS version too - using Trinity Medium at least, and I think it happens always. I only find it a nuisance when the last line is near the bottom of a frame, and adding the return to close up the lines causes the overflow marker to appear. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 19 12:15:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jy3C7-28Wknw-07-Ai4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:15:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jy3C7-28Wknw-07-Ai4; Mon, 19 May 2008 11:06:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jy3C7-28Wknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 May 2008 11:06:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jy3C6-0003Rr-O1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 May 2008 11:06:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC588850D0B; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00950-09; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33DF4850EC6; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBB92850D0B for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00815-07 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.104]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86DDC850C25 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 07:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UOS-MSG00010-SI.soton.ac.uk (uos-msg00010-si.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.108]) by mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m4JB5R6X006664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05:27 +0100 Received: from UOS-CL-EX7-L3.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.128.97]) by UOS-MSG00010-SI.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.128.108]) with mapi; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05:27 +0100 From: "Bellamy M.L." To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:00:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Line spacing Thread-Index: Aci4oQWN2lb8rM/eSBmpvBn2h9clDAA/ofXY Message-ID: <800B5F6CC331F7408A20538E4F1723E265CECF2FF9@UOS-CL-EX7-L3.soton.ac.uk> References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender is SPF-compliant, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.104]); Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05:27 +0100 (BST) X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 704 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YiaEvwdpQqUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IGzlLXDaSRZAe89KkNcA:9 a=0VrLfZrEIMun3go3vTUA:7 a=G73BzEAmoqlccP-Oy09a6VJQ_rYA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=61tZBHfzjhcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1454] ________________________________________ From: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org = On Behalf Of Peter Prewett [pprewett@internode.on.net] Sent: 18 May 2008 05:38 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Line spacing >I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than >the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a >new line the previous 2 lines close up. >What have I done wrong again?? I used to get frustrated by this all the time and it happens with normal te= xt too, not just tables. I eventually realised that there was an invisible = character in a larger font on the same line, causing it to be lower than it= visually should be. Pressing return moves it off the current line onto the= next line down so the previously too low line is then adjusted back up to = where it seemed like it should be. The answer is to delete the invisible ch= aracter, ideally using the keypad delete to delete to the right of the care= t. Matt To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 20 11:33:07 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyMbI-2Yfknw-06-GsR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:33:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyMbI-2Yfknw-06-GsR; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:49:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyMbI-2Yfknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:49:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyMbI-0003Mr-Cu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:49:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33AB0853E49; Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09741-04; Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA34C853E9A; Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CED37853E49 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09607-02 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C1FE853E42 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 03:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial-dynamic-62-69-36-203.surfdial.murphx.net ([62.69.36.203] helo=chris.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JyMaU-0007Aa-7T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:48:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:43:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Text format in OvPro 2.77 Message-ID: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1JyMaU-0007Aa-7T X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9JGHFz-CGtwA:15 a=ywmnpXBAevAA:10 a=nBQcFWsZt0kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wKHHY6SW1NpVNUC3HrsA:9 a=rI4AR_Yc9W13D1v3UU8A:7 a=29wBiVfWjv19-CJcqKz6J_GE_38A:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1454] Hi, I've discovered some interesting features in Ovation Pro 2.77: 1. Clicking 'I' in the info palette changes text in 'Homerton Medium' to 'Homerton Condensed Bold Oblique', not 'Homerton Oblique' as expected. 2. Vertically shifting underlined text doesn't move the underline and can result in 'strikeout'. Both can be worked around, of course! Chris. --=20 --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 20 11:47:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyPLZ-3Hv000-08-E8A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:47:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyPLZ-3Hv000-08-E8A; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyPLZ-3Hv000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyPLY-0003ij-3V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:45:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA9208530FE; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25851-05; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B39685320D; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3B898530FE for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25716-07 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A426F8530F2 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JyPKl-0006zQ-G3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:44:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:43:32 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 706 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZFMmSwOsckA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=us3MXerH-eo9H2tgDIMA:9 a=pG-O81tSUXAKLZgr3U4A:7 a=YQC0Hx092fBDNUop344mkT9_pq4A:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] In message <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >I've discovered some interesting features in Ovation Pro 2.77: > >1. Clicking 'I' in the info palette changes text in 'Homerton Medium' >to 'Homerton Condensed Bold Oblique', not 'Homerton Oblique' as >expected. > >2. Vertically shifting underlined text doesn't move the underline and >can result in 'strikeout'. Interesting comments. I wouldn't have guessed - perhaps that is not surprising. Point (2) is the more unexpected - then again is it incorrect behaviour. I can see that often shifting the underline with the text is required, but then again e.g. with superscripts it might not be (My Paper About ex) Point (1) is probably just another example of the mess font attributes get into. I would assume that it is not just I(talic) on the info palette, but anything which sets Italics for that font which causes the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 20 11:47:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyPNQ-3RH000-01-E6J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:47:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyPNQ-3RH000-01-E6J; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:47:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyPNQ-3RH000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:47:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyPNL-0005gk-9q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:47:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 531388526CC; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26032-07; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3005853269; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F18A08531C5 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25844-10 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E7AC853134 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach ([91.66.122.220]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1JyPMB20bK-0004bc; Tue, 20 May 2008 12:46:11 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2/77 (20 Jan 2007) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:46:34 +0200 Message-ID: <4a9e64a24f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz> <4f9c3aca5ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f9c3aca5ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1801iiFTVqD/6alKA/e77zYGazI5zQd9e294j/ 9vN77pViLsDxmWFp7K/1jXH1/Ufg7fDQ7IhCB6+JjpuBXYIveI 1BZZ3fj/4kGRjf1hxebtK+yr6+F9qI3 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 707 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=a8oo56nqmu4A:15 a=apTee2BNynoA:10 a=RZnLj-uTargA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bkKhKvvaC3d5Xssefs4A:9 a=vwdtg1Hjm1976GiEPF8A:7 a=jKEkrvqDTIyV19usH3UddcSXLtIA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] In message <4f9c3aca5ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> Colin Wood wrote: > In article <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield > wrote: >> On 08 May, Colin Wood wrote: >>> In Application Choices, text, I have PC-style delete ticked. It >>> used to work fine, but now does nothing. >>> What to do, please? >> What setting do you have for RISC OS if you double-click on >> !Configure in Apps? (in Input -> keyboard right at the bottom) > Thanks, Robert - 'PCdelete (delete removes next character)' is ticked > (and num lock is enabled) That explains it. The way RISC OS 4 does its global "PC delete" option is not compatible with the way individual applications do it. You should only use the one or the other. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 20 21:18:13 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyQPw-3eSknw-08-D3n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:18:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyQPw-3eSknw-08-D3n; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:54:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyQPw-3eSknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:54:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyQPs-0002rv-LB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:54:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 360C6853ED1; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31171-07; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB167853FA6; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 07:50:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49E86853ED1 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31030-03 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 167C4853E1E for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JyQPB-0005jS-6m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 12:53:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Message-ID: <4fa26aafa3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 0580b745af3c88dff65bbf3a9a637cbd X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 708 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ld0aB_re2WgA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Uf1zBVtkEiBAlZDQgqAA:9 a=FrXYC6x6rkiBUtB0otQA:7 a=EAvTZPBsMLxdLxpUjvUIXlYuZccA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] In article , David Pilling wrote: > Point (1) is probably just another example of the mess font > attributes get into. I would assume that it is not just I(talic) > on the info palette, but anything which sets Italics for that font > which causes the problem. Is this not something that has affected a number of applications over the years, whereby they choose the first 'italic' font in the family found? With 'standard' fonts with only the four usual weights there is no problem, but with font families with all these condensed and extended styles as well, the simple algorithm breaks down. I vaguely remember this coming up on the OPro list in the dim and distant past. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 20 21:33:13 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyYLj-3B5knw-04-DeW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:33:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyYLj-3B5knw-04-DeW; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyYLj-3B5knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyYLi-0000WI-Jr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:22:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D808D8532CE; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25425-06; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A25A852E57; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:19:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAA1A853F6D for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31607-09 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76CF0853B87 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RPC.pressxpress.co.uk (dsl89-213-66-91.as15444.net [89.213.66.91]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4KC2EBk004463 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:02:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Brayshaw X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:03:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.35S) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 709 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeremy@brayshaw.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2bvJFF0JFE8A:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R35gCeFcerJe2mTc_6EA:9 a=1BhNpA2Ne6GnVJy99hwA:7 a=vCrW4EWjB7PuzVYNWd2CHgmwAgcA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >>I've discovered some interesting features in Ovation Pro 2.77: >> >>1. Clicking 'I' in the info palette changes text in 'Homerton Medium' >>to 'Homerton Condensed Bold Oblique', not 'Homerton Oblique' as >>expected. > Point (1) is probably just another example of the mess font attributes > get into. I would assume that it is not just I(talic) on the info > palette, but anything which sets Italics for that font which causes the > problem. As I understand it, the 'italic' option simply scans the list of family members in the font and chooses the first one that is 'italic' (or Oblique). In an alphabetic list, such as the filer and OPro uses for fonts, Homerton Condensed Bold Oblique comes before Homerton Oblique, so it chooses that one first. I have this problem with many other font families, and it is a real pain! Same happens with 'bold', of course. The 'I' and 'B' options are so unreliable I don't use them now. Interestingly, I don't have any 'condensed' versions of Homerton - just bold and normal! Jeremy. -- Jeremy Brayshaw To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 20 21:33:13 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyYP0-4UkVbs-07-DbF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:33:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyYP0-4UkVbs-07-DbF; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:25:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyYP0-4UkVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:25:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyYOz-0007cZ-Lw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:25:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11C0D85341E; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25776-03; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8021B85363F; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFED685341E for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25651-09 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB03485337D for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JyYOK-000Abf-7y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:25:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:23:39 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa26aafa3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4fa26aafa3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 710 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=968shKLrtW5FxvJQwm4A:7 a=uIhW2quoezW3joF6U82mYJtcQrcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] In message <4fa26aafa3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >Is this not something that has affected a number of applications over >the years, whereby they choose the first 'italic' font in the family >found? >I vaguely remember this coming up on the OPro list in the dim and >distant past. It is a long and sorry saga. It is just a complete mess. To an extent one can blame the people naming fonts. However other applications have done better than Ovation. I have had two goes at the problem with Ovation Pro over the years. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 22 12:24:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JyYoW-0rKGPo-07-DBj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 12:24:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JyYoW-0rKGPo-07-DBj; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:52:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JyYoW-0rKGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:52:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JyYoV-0005GK-J5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:52:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8879853B88; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29441-02-2; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C47A85419F; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D0BD853D32 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29314-01 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.217]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B59CE853CDB for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 124-197-47-182.callplus.net.nz ([124.197.47.182] helo=XPHOMEPC) by mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net with SMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1JyYnm-0007EE-PS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 May 2008 08:51:20 +1200 Message-ID: <002b01c8babb$3f464680$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> <800B5F6CC331F7408A20538E4F1723E265CECF2FF9@UOS-CL-EX7-L3.soton.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:51:15 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5aP6s_NOe10A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ynORAfpNE0G3evEN3KwA:9 a=ihSgzIlf0cN8-Dw5DxYA:7 a=p5n9UOF261EhJbcdBupDUZJCftUA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] Thanks for this. It is a thing that has bugged me for a while but never enought to make me complain about it. Being "a bear of very little brain" I never thought to look at the invisibles. Is the odd character a fixed font size? The problem seems to get worse the smaller you go. Dan McCarthy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bellamy M.L." To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing ________________________________________ From: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org On Behalf Of Peter Prewett [pprewett@internode.on.net] Sent: 18 May 2008 05:38 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Line spacing >I have a table which the 2 bottom lines are spaced further apart than >the others if I click enter on the end of the bottom line to create a >new line the previous 2 lines close up. >What have I done wrong again?? I used to get frustrated by this all the time and it happens with normal text too, not just tables. I eventually realised that there was an invisible character in a larger font on the same line, causing it to be lower than it visually should be. Pressing return moves it off the current line onto the next line down so the previously too low line is then adjusted back up to where it seemed like it should be. The answer is to delete the invisible character, ideally using the keypad delete to delete to the right of the caret. Matt To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 22 12:24:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jyk3N-0VQ000-08-ATO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 12:24:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jyk3N-0VQ000-08-ATO; Wed, 21 May 2008 08:52:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jyk3N-0VQ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 May 2008 08:52:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jyk3J-0002aU-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 May 2008 08:52:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 202BF853A9E; Wed, 21 May 2008 04:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28067-06; Wed, 21 May 2008 04:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B342853BB9; Wed, 21 May 2008 04:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 May 2008 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D272853A9E for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27956-08 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate1.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate1.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D69685393D for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 04:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UOS-MSG00012-SI.soton.ac.uk (uos-msg00012-si.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.109]) by mailgate1.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m4L8p89d010440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:51:13 +0100 Received: from UOS-CL-EX7-L3.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.128.97]) by UOS-MSG00012-SI.soton.ac.uk ([152.78.128.109]) with mapi; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:51:08 +0100 From: "Bellamy M.L." To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 09:47:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing Thread-Index: Aci6u2zOagLYcV3UQ4y5EdPWUtAo/AAY+Ywm Message-ID: <800B5F6CC331F7408A20538E4F1723E265CECF3005@UOS-CL-EX7-L3.soton.ac.uk> References: <482FB2B9.8050706@internode.on.net> <800B5F6CC331F7408A20538E4F1723E265CECF2FF9@UOS-CL-EX7-L3.soton.ac.uk>,<002b01c8babb$3f464680$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <002b01c8babb$3f464680$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender is SPF-compliant, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailgate1.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.102]); Wed, 21 May 2008 09:51:13 +0100 (BST) X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 712 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WddVg5O9UYoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-QfbPuAxBNh1UZlSmTcA:9 a=HawuGFOIFJaiLCjfwQQA:7 a=nbomVH6MZ_tybB9qUz3AdyqHWn8A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=61tZBHfzjhcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.23.21/1456] ________________________________________ From: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org = On Behalf Of Dan McCarthy [danmccat@slingshot.co.nz] Sent: 20 May 2008 21:51 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Line spacing > Thanks for this. It is a thing that has bugged me for a while but never e= nought to > make me complain about it. Being "a bear of very little brain" I never >thought to look at the invisibles. Is the odd character a fixed font size?= The problem seems > to get worse the smaller you go. I doubt it's a fixed size. I think what tended to cause it with me was that= I'd do a title in a particular size, press return, and then start on the b= ody text in a smaller size, not realizing that something in the title size = was on the same line as what was now body text. Matt To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 28 11:57:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K16fB-0leknw-02-8mM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:57:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K16fB-0leknw-02-8mM; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:24:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K16fB-0leknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:24:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K16f8-0000Wk-0w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:24:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FC488543E3; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18425-03; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7922855BAA; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A35598543E3 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18247-07 for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B85F4853D7B for ; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:10:05 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah0BAA4VPEh5LAya/2dsb2JhbAAIrwc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,550,1204464600"; d="scan'208";a="121135738" Received: from ppp121-44-12-154.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.12.154]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2008 06:43:22 +0930 Message-ID: <483C799C.1030908@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:14:04 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Virus problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 713 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TeXyii11AwIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=65c6FOTrmMLrwJZ7gRwA:9 a=ZPw0mqhlZh1kALF5OWsA:7 a=P_uoLkXM-dc-JrgqsqVlsg0ct_8A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.1/1470] I have Trend installed as the virus application and when saving a text selection it came up with a high warning that 'OVP is trying to configure windows so that a program library (DLL) is automatically loaded by some or all of your applications etc.' Should I be worried!! Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 28 12:27:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K1JhK-0xeknw-01-CnF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 12:27:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K1JhK-0xeknw-01-CnF; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K1JhK-0xeknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K1JhG-0007gy-Fy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:20:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E08DE85662A; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12408-03; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AE90856781; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA81185671C for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12246-03 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 735B0856743 for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1K1Jeu-000IsT-BO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:17:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:15:12 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Virus problem References: <483C799C.1030908@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <483C799C.1030908@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 714 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=zuJKsWo_Nk2BcZJ1WPYA:7 a=frp8PmCFs2UG4df72qlcU2trSa4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.1/1470] In message <483C799C.1030908@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >I have Trend installed as the virus application and when saving a text >selection it came up with a high warning that 'OVP is trying to >configure windows so that a program library (DLL) is automatically >loaded by some or all of your applications etc.' >Should I be worried!! Yes, but probably about the quality of "Trend". I really don't know. OP won't configure Windows to load a DLL automatically. In fact after installation it does not configure Windows at all. I wonder if the same event happens if you do other types of save? I can imagine that doing a save forces Windows to load the DLL for the save dialogue - normally that is part of Windows, but you can get enhanced replacements. So the first save you do from OP may generate the above event. Another though is that some applets write to the OP program folder - this was discussed a few weeks back in the light of Vista stopping such operations, and I provided replacement applets. I don't think this is the explanation though. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(unknown [91.105.199.47]) by mwinf3103.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 794917000082 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 00:37:51 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080528223751496.794917000082@mwinf3103.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:30:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2/77 (20 Jan 2007) Message-ID: <4fa6c3c9a2colin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4a9e64a24f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz> <4f9c3aca5ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <4a9e64a24f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 715 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qrXU-Z3igoYA:15 a=apTee2BNynoA:10 a=RZnLj-uTargA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xBBuXnVPOGdVQEDVskgA:9 a=e8RjDiRvfRiZVAhExxwA:7 a=5WZS556nLdqC0JnVhUFOUIH0tuQA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] In article <4a9e64a24f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f9c3aca5ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> > Colin Wood wrote: > > In article <4f9c27d387monster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield > > wrote: > >> On 08 May, Colin Wood wrote: > >>> In Application Choices, text, I have PC-style delete ticked. It > >>> used to work fine, but now does nothing. > >>> What to do, please? > >> What setting do you have for RISC OS if you double-click on > >> !Configure in Apps? (in Input -> keyboard right at the bottom) > > Thanks, Robert - 'PCdelete (delete removes next character)' is > > ticked (and num lock is enabled) > That explains it. The way RISC OS 4 does its global "PC delete" > option is not compatible with the way individual applications do > it. You should only use the one or the other. > Martin Excellent - working now. Thanks! Best wishes, Colin -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / Virtual _______________________________/ RiscPC - Adjust To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:10:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K237j-2jRVbs-01-9zQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:10:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K237j-2jRVbs-01-9zQ; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:50:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K237j-2jRVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:50:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K237i-0000hx-IV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:50:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141E6857644; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12300-10; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87EF38576C2; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 30 May 2008 07:45:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A44F4857644 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12203-02 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.karoo.kcom.com (mercury.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EE1E8575DF for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 07:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,566,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="326794798" Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.101]) ([82.153.28.122]) by mercury.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2008 12:49:35 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.100 [269.24.4/1473]); Fri, 30 May 2008 12:49:30 +0100 Message-ID: <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:49:29 +0100 From: Michael Hunter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - PC version References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-483FE9CA0000=======" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 716 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mail@hunterm.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FD5q76XnSrgA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=nA_jqDj8q7RGtpu1o2gA:9 a=bLrcuWzcpNNPIeichnSQ6UW5dXIA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 a=C6qGt691KCo4MYvVwyUA:9 a=lolNB15jI0mI9NGAcxIA:7 a=9ZpsPTHsFIiwCcB-I-ibpbazgZgA:4 a=f8eoc1PjULsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] --=======AVGMAIL-483FE9CA0000======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using sync discs to make a copy of the files on a network drive to a (large) local drive on my PC. Until this week everything worked well! However now I find the process aborts immediately. I've got no options ticked - and do not use the scrap directory. The log file says: ----------- SyncDiscs at 12:36PM 30 May 2008 Primary Q:\ Secondary F:\Music copy:Q:\\??????? to F:\Music\??????? ------------- The error message box which appears says ------------- The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. (FindFirstFile) (123) (Q:\\???????\*.*) ------------- Any suggestions to solve this problem which has just cropped up. Thanks Michael-- Michael Hunter mail@hunterm.me.uk --=======AVGMAIL-483FE9CA0000======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1473 - Release Date: 29/05/2008 = 19:53 --=======AVGMAIL-483FE9CA0000=======-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:10:40 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K249H-4XSVbs-03-8xs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:10:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K249H-4XSVbs-03-8xs; Fri, 30 May 2008 12:55:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K249H-4XSVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 12:55:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K249D-0002Ca-32 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 12:55:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 126CD857AAE; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20223-04; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74921857AF3; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 30 May 2008 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FCF5857AAE for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19958-08 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 024EE8576B4 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk ([88.202.192.250]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UCsBKk003958 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:54:20 +0100 Message-ID: <91ac96a74f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Xq1DGYOy_RsA:15 a=OSr84k15pNoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gKkKIwBgcPiTicxuIwsA:9 a=UHWeoaSuGvrHw82azl8A:7 a=GX9ha_640zS1p7wr329J08sKVOkA:4 a=hThZBmHuFK8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] In message <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> Michael Hunter wrote: > I've been using sync discs to make a copy of the files on a network > drive to a (large) local drive on my PC. Until this week everything > worked well! However now I find the process aborts immediately. I've got > no options ticked - and do not use the scrap directory. > The log file says: > ----------- > SyncDiscs at 12:36PM 30 May 2008 > Primary Q:\ > Secondary F:\Music > copy:Q:\\??????? to F:\Music\??????? > ------------- > The error message box which appears says > ------------- > The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. > (FindFirstFile) (123) (Q:\\???????\*.*) > ------------- > Any suggestions to solve this problem which has just cropped up. > Thanks > Michael-- > Michael Hunter > mail@hunterm.me.uk It looks at though Q isn't mapped to a valid drive. In My Computer, can you see a drive Q? If so, can you open it? If not, you need to remap the drive. There are several ways, but the one which I would use is Start->Run->\\ This should open the server (network drive) and show you the shares which you can map. You now right-click on the share, select "Map Network Drive", make sure "reconnect at login" is ticked, and select Q as the drive letter. Another possibility is that the mapping has changed to something else. Open a command window (Start->Run and type cmd in the box) Type net share. This will show you what mappings are in existence. If the mapping for Q exists, but is wrong, you can now type net share q: /d to delete the mapping. Now you can remap the drive as above, or just by typing net use Q: \\\ /persistent:y (The last bit makes sure the sdrive is mapped each time you log in.) (Just a thought - you aren't logging out and letting syncdiscs run as a scheduled task are you? - the drive mappings are removed when you log out. To run like that, you need to specify a UNC path instead of Q, e.g. \\server\share) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:10:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K24py-2aW000-08-Gnh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:10:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K24py-2aW000-08-Gnh; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:40:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K24py-2aW000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:40:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K24pt-0005sr-FB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 13:40:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4898C857842; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26977-04; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA85885791F; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 30 May 2008 09:35:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62129857842 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26791-08 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.karoo.kcom.com (venus.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.60]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0DE78577FA for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,566,1204502400"; d="scan'208,217";a="312644820" Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.101]) ([82.153.28.122]) by venus.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 30 May 2008 14:39:19 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.100 [269.24.4/1473]); Fri, 30 May 2008 14:39:13 +0100 Message-ID: <48400380.7060809@hunterm.me.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:39:12 +0100 From: Michael Hunter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - PC version References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> <91ac96a74f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <91ac96a74f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-484003820000=======" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 718 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mail@hunterm.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nytcQyBSw6AA:15 a=OSr84k15pNoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=19nKRs1LMFmjoH2LhpIA:9 a=DGT--9_FKxon3b_8bkQA:7 a=cp8jpZLvBYTBdJlT4k8rD79Z6rEA:4 a=hThZBmHuFK8A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 a=C6qGt691KCo4MYvVwyUA:9 a=lolNB15jI0mI9NGAcxIA:7 a=9ZpsPTHsFIiwCcB-I-ibpbazgZgA:4 a=f8eoc1PjULsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] --=======AVGMAIL-484003820000======= Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Adams wrote:

It looks at though Q isn't mapped to a valid drive.

In My Computer, can you see a drive Q? If so, can you open it?

If not, you need to remap the drive. There are several ways, but the 
one which I would use is Start->Run->\\<name of server>
This should open the server (network drive) and show you the shares 
which you can map.

You now right-click on the share, select "Map Network Drive", make 
sure "reconnect at login" is ticked, and select Q as the drive letter.

Another possibility is that the mapping has changed to something else. 
Open a command window (Start->Run and type cmd in the box)
Type net share.
This will show you what mappings are in existence. If the mapping for 
Q exists, but is wrong, you can now type net share q: /d to delete the 
mapping.

Now you can remap the drive as above, or just by typing
net use Q: \\<name of server>\<name of share> /persistent:y
(The last bit makes sure the sdrive is mapped each time you log in.)

(Just a thought - you aren't logging out and letting syncdiscs run as 
a scheduled task are you? - the drive mappings are removed when you 
log out. To run like that, you need to specify a UNC path instead of 
Q, e.g. \\server\share)
Thanks Alan,

Tried your suggestions - the drive is properly mapped etc and I'm not logging out to run the task.

I did try using the full UNC path in sync discs - the log says
------
SyncDiscs at 02:35PM 30 May 2008
Primary \\Edmini\fileserver\Music
Secondary F:\Music
copy:\\Edmini\fileserver\Music\??????? to F:\Music\???????
----------
and the error message now gives the full UNC path instead of q:

Any other suggestions? As I said SyncDiscs ran successfully many times and suddenly stopped working.

Michael
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Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1473 - Release Date: 29/05/2008 = 19:53 --=======AVGMAIL-484003820000=======-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:10:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2BKw-4NHknw-01-AIj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:10:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2BKw-4NHknw-01-AIj; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:36:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2BKw-4NHknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:36:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2BKv-0000LS-Mg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00EC7857EEA; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08119-04; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A15C858020; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78B5D857EEA for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07977-09 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 241D5857E7C for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk ([88.202.202.160]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4UKZRaP009802 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 21:35:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:35:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> <91ac96a74f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <48400380.7060809@hunterm.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <48400380.7060809@hunterm.me.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 719 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bN-yE2zU2qAA:15 a=OSr84k15pNoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZaEUSF8x8RrZIeKQ3FUA:9 a=208rs1jAD7LRq0FyCIUA:7 a=yeS6HwnChf_xR-HbBAZVR-uDcK4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] In message <48400380.7060809@hunterm.me.uk> Michael Hunter wrote: > Alan Adams wrote: > SyncDiscs at 02:35PM 30 May 2008 > Primary \\Edmini\fileserver\Music > Secondary F:\Music > copy:\\Edmini\fileserver\Music\??????? to F:\Music\??????? ?Can you open that path any other way, e.g. at the Start->Run type \\Edmini\fileserver\Music It seems to be telling you that the first file found on the path is invalid. Whether that is true is another question. > ---------- > and the error message now gives the full UNC path instead of q: > Any other suggestions? As I said SyncDiscs ran successfully many times > and suddenly stopped working. > Michael -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:10:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2MlR-28GVbs-08-FvG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:10:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2MlR-28GVbs-08-FvG; Sat, 31 May 2008 08:48:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2MlR-28GVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 08:48:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2MlQ-0003oW-Qv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 08:48:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC78C857AFD; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31771-06; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 724B1857EC9; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D045A857CE4 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31660-05 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85347857ADB for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com ([88.202.199.63]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4V8lich020585 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:47:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:47:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Message-ID: <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 720 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QHW9GcU958AA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yyTdYnOy3XV-1TqV4SQA:9 a=3kGGbtBBBHpKN8E3OUsA:7 a=iDueilIhe1IUtBjjayNvhKorK_kA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] In article , Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > As I understand it, the 'italic' option simply scans the list of > family members in the font and chooses the first one that is > 'italic' (or Oblique). In an alphabetic list, such as the filer > and OPro uses for fonts, Homerton Condensed Bold Oblique comes > before Homerton Oblique, so it chooses that one first. > I have this problem with many other font families, and it is a real > pain! Same happens with 'bold', of course. The 'I' and 'B' options > are so unreliable I don't use them now. > ..... I brought this up a very long time ago, but it fell on stony ground. If it isn't possible to correct the fault, which makes it awfully easy to choose the wrong font by mistake, could the B and I icons perhaps be removed? But I don't have another application which can't get it right, and while we RISC OS afficionados will put up with a lot, I can't imagine the PC world accepting this sort of thing. Presumably this coding goes back to the days when no-one expected more than four fonts in a family. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:10:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2NIu-0dOVbs-03-FNn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:10:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2NIu-0dOVbs-03-FNn; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:23:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2NIu-0dOVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:23:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2NIu-0003nN-C0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:23:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D0E1857561; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01367-09; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4A4A857A17; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 May 2008 05:18:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11032857561 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01223-10 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.karoo.kcom.com (mercury.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B049857281 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 05:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,570,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="327743213" Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.101]) ([82.153.28.122]) by mercury.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 31 May 2008 10:22:25 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.100 [269.24.4/1475]); Sat, 31 May 2008 10:22:17 +0100 Message-ID: <484118C8.3050904@hunterm.me.uk> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:22:16 +0100 From: Michael Hunter User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - PC version References: <4f9bf4f008colin@mel-dr.co.uk> <483FE9C9.20802@hunterm.me.uk> <91ac96a74f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <48400380.7060809@hunterm.me.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-484118CA0000=======" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 721 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mail@hunterm.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FD5q76XnSrgA:15 a=OSr84k15pNoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=btEMdJaJo1ThPoo08MMA:9 a=I_O5PEAsxX72kcOiXH8-_Axuj6QA:4 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 a=TmX44LLiR7HqaFjIU0cA:9 a=lolNB15jI0mI9NGAcxIA:7 a=Ezmo36BnSiO5_lZrCele2XDL7DAA:4 a=f8eoc1PjULsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.3/1472] --=======AVGMAIL-484118CA0000======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan Adams wrote: > It seems to be telling you that the first file found on the path is > invalid. Whether that is true is another question. > > Hi Alan, Thanks for your assistance - indeed the first file in my music folder seemed to contain illegal characters - on the iPod they were Japanese! I imported again and ignored the information coming from Gracenote. All works a treat. Thanks for your assistance Michael -- Michael Hunter mail@hunterm.me.uk --=======AVGMAIL-484118CA0000======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1475 - Release Date: 30/05/2008 = 14:53 --=======AVGMAIL-484118CA0000=======-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 12:25:07 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2OyW-0Dk000-04-DiB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:25:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2OyW-0Dk000-04-DiB; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:10:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2OyW-0Dk000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:10:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2OyW-0004BE-1j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:10:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B0BA8581CD; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07870-01; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9A07857FFE; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 May 2008 07:05:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A4AF8581CD for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07707-06 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC205858042 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 07:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080531111326.ORXG14647.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:13:26 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080531110935.EWDH171.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 12:09:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 12:09:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 722 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o_3WBDd-QywA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ofty8caQZHs2MP4pA94A:9 a=U1xjHuES7xvd8orZ7akA:7 a=XFk0H7x_LC4TKxtuv4BZfOtajN0A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1475] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Partridge" To: Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 > In article , Jeremy Brayshaw > wrote: > >> As I understand it, the 'italic' option simply scans the list of >> family members in the font and chooses the first one that is >> 'italic' (or Oblique). In an alphabetic list, such as the filer >> and OPro uses for fonts, Homerton Condensed Bold Oblique comes >> before Homerton Oblique, so it chooses that one first. > >> I have this problem with many other font families, and it is a real >> pain! Same happens with 'bold', of course. The 'I' and 'B' options >> are so unreliable I don't use them now. > >> ..... > > I brought this up a very long time ago, but it fell on stony ground. > > If it isn't possible to correct the fault, which makes it awfully > easy to choose the wrong font by mistake, could the B and I icons > perhaps be removed? But I don't have another application which can't > get it right, and while we RISC OS afficionados will put up with a > lot, I can't imagine the PC world accepting this sort of thing. > > Presumably this coding goes back to the days when no-one expected > more than four fonts in a family. > > Regards, > > Richard Partridge. > No, No - please don't remove the B and I icons! The solution I used for my own software was simply to have an easily-editable text look-up file (along the line of the "hosts" file) showing Family name, Normal name, Normal Italic name, Bold name and Bold Italic name. e.g. Homerton Medium Medium.Oblique Bold Bold.Oblique Trinity Medium Medium.Italic Bold Bold.Italic etc. Would it be possible to provide something similar for Ovation? Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 31 14:10:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2Qo2-2s8000-02-Bsf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 14:10:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2Qo2-2s8000-02-Bsf; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:07:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2Qo2-2s8000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:07:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2Qo1-0002R6-O3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:07:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EC08857C4C; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14336-05; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0ABCE858507; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBD3D857C4C for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14093-08 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A5F857902 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 09:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1K2QnL-000NGd-9E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 13:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:05:25 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 723 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2d_biOPAf3hlofmb9j0A:9 a=QHjkza0SoDgHfxu4KKgA:7 a=oCYbdLK8MWfMD7hMNOaQNEq6aMEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1475] In message <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge writes >I brought this up a very long time ago, but it fell on stony ground. Well for a reason... >If it isn't possible to correct the fault, which makes it awfully >easy to choose the wrong font by mistake, could the B and I icons >perhaps be removed? You can pick fonts without using those icons. >, and while we RISC OS afficionados will put up with a >lot, I can't imagine the PC world accepting this sort of thing. They don't. Fonts on Windows have a maximum of four family members. They are defined as bold, italic etc. there is no guessing from names. >Presumably this coding goes back to the days when no-one expected >more than four fonts in a family. No. At the point the code was written there were fonts with many family members. It is quite a tough problem, people can (and have) thought up all sorts of names. On some machines, Times can have four members on others a dozen. Having a text file that defines the weights is one solution - but opens the possibility of people assigning different weights, not good when you want to be able to swop files. Someone on this list did suggest what seemed like a reasonable scheme. However the above "reason" for not doing it comes into play... I'm sorry how things have turned out, but I can't see any progress on OP (Windows or RISC OS) without some change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 1 12:25:52 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2c0b-3Tsknw-02-9Cc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:25:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2c0b-3Tsknw-02-9Cc; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:05:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2c0b-3Tsknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:05:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2c0b-0006ee-D4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:05:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00314857CED; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01067-10; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AD83857B87; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 May 2008 21:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44AAE857D0C for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00990-01 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9A1B8579E2 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 21:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080601010830.VKMF14647.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:08:30 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080601011316.RLPI20933.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:13:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 02:04:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 724 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o_3WBDd-QywA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IjX_Jivo4zMeMikhe6gA:9 a=_vAAQhKbcNDNv05wXEEA:7 a=yWi5o57RFLQPg3Lq_PpZQ8L9yuwA:4 a=T81ihCft0O8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1475] Ovation Pro's algorithm for choosing variants may be simple but it doesn't seem to be applied consistently. With font System ( Fixed / Medium ), if I select some text and choose System from the top level menu, the text is changed to System.Fixed. If I click on B, the selection changes to System.Medium but if I then click on N, it stays as System.Medium - so N doesn't revert to the default variant. Font Hull ( Black / Black.Oblique / Light / Light.Oblique ) is even more perplexing in that although the default is Hull.Black, the B and N buttons both yield Hull.Light. Just to add to the confusion, B+I and N+I both yield Hull.Black.Oblique! Interestingly, Bookmark ( Demi / Demi.Italic / Light / Light.Italic ) which seems to have its variants named similarly (except for Oblique vs Italic) behaves exactly as one would expect - default and N give Bookmark.Light while B gives Bookmark.Demi and the I button gives the corresponding Italic variants. It appears that the algorithm is not quite so simple - has it been tweaked to accommodate some particular fonts to try to make it appear more intelligent than it really is? Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 1 12:26:04 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2kbx-0trknw-04-97m.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:26:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2kbx-0trknw-04-97m; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:16:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2kbx-0trknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:16:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2kbw-0002y5-Va for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 10:16:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D87B68582AA; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28839-01; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A5F2857D4C; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:11:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCA68857D63 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28738-03 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrmta01.talkactive.net (usrmta01.talkactive.net [195.128.174.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59757857D55 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2padua (cp418204-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl [84.27.225.213]) (Authenticated sender: 2ndhalf@nlmdemarteau.nl) by usrmta01.talkactive.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1721A63B for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c8c3d0$6f372d00$6402a8c0@2padua> From: "Tonnie-mw Demarteau" To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:15:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 725 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: 2ndhalf@nlmdemarteau.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4OyNOczYm7IA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nMrsYjwioGzWS7OuRbEA:9 a=vOh19UiPiR5fi9CR0ZkA:7 a=72_kYk4s38QXZA6E3LdY9C12hukA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1475] On Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:04 AM , John Grogan wrote: > Ovation Pro's algorithm for choosing variants may be simple but it doesn't > seem to be applied consistently. With font System ( Fixed / Medium ), if > I select some text and choose System from the top level menu, the text is > changed to System.Fixed. If I click on B, the selection changes to > System.Medium but if I then click on N, it stays as System.Medium - so N > doesn't revert to the default variant. > > Font Hull ( Black / Black.Oblique / Light / Light.Oblique ) is even more > perplexing in that although the default is Hull.Black, the B and N buttons > both yield Hull.Light. Just to add to the confusion, B+I and N+I both > yield Hull.Black.Oblique! > > Interestingly, Bookmark ( Demi / Demi.Italic / Light / Light.Italic ) > which seems to have its variants named similarly (except for Oblique vs > Italic) behaves exactly as one would expect - default and N give > Bookmark.Light while B gives Bookmark.Demi and the I button gives the > corresponding Italic variants. > > It appears that the algorithm is not quite so simple - has it been tweaked > to accommodate some particular fonts to try to make it appear more > intelligent than it really is? > > Regards > John Grogan In a Windows font, the name of the font family - or better to say which 'members' with a maximum of 4 are combined in the Windows variable to build the 'font menu' (Normal-Italic-Bold-Bold-Italic button) in programs- is written INSIDE the font by the font designer. So, in Hull the weight/member Black = inside the font file Hull Black defined as being the Bold in the font menu group 'Hull' Black Oblique has inside the font file Hull Black Oblique the definition to be used as 'Bold Italic'. Same principle goes for Light and Light Oblique. BTW: Bold has the meaning of being 'fatter than' ... but this is also defined in the font file. A designer can make a 'mistake' and define a UltraBlack as 'lighter/less fat' than UltraThin. For instance Bold has the number 700, Regular 500. Bookmark Demi / Demi.Italic / Light / Light.Italic behaves as it does, because it is defined this way in the 4 font files. 'Bookmark' is the 'shared' name of those 4 weights. Demi is defined as being the Bold one in this group, Demi Italic as the Bold Italic (fatter and with an angle), Light as the Normal (= less fat than the fatter weight in this particular group) and the Light Italic as the less fat weight with an angle. And hence they appear as they do in the font menu. Due to RISC OS font system, where it is difficult or impossible to distinguish 'groups of 4', it is hard to understand the way this works in Windows (and Apple?) and also in the past in RISC OS. Hence you can find those 4 'buttons' or 'effects' in many RISC OS programs too. When these buttons are used in RISC OS in 'bigger' fonts, the results can be unpredictable. Too less info can be put or found in RISC OS fonts, so font mapping between Windows and RISC OS has to be done with a lot of care. System font in RISC OS isn't intended to be used as a scalable font. Fixed isn't a Bold of Medium. Due to lack of info RISC OS can find, Fixed is chosen as 'Bold', because it is the only other available font in the font System folder. Tonnie Demarteau To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 1 12:40:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2lnn-3NMknw-04-GSS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:40:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2lnn-3NMknw-04-GSS; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:32:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2lnn-3NMknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:32:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2lnn-0003EX-BJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:32:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 115A7858789; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01973-04; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 892C68587A6; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:28:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40E1A858789 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01871-06 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F31985879F for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1K2ln1-00006r-B4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:31:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:30:48 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> In-Reply-To: <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 726 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=q_gmZzgKWCdBtexgKBYA:7 a=J3XTko9lXL8Z_JqT3qy5brUSdgEA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1476] In message <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01>, John Grogan writes >Ovation Pro's algorithm for choosing variants may be simple but it >doesn't I never said it was simple - just that it doesn't work as well as one would like. >has it been tweaked to accommodate some particular fonts to try to make >it appear more intelligent than it really is? It has not been tweeked for particular fonts - however it does depend on a knowledge of font names - e.g. if the name has "bold" in then it assumes that is a bold font. If the font designer decides to use "reallyblack" then it won't recognise that as bold. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 1 18:56:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2rcZ-3H1000-06-Adg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:56:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2rcZ-3H1000-06-Adg; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:45:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2rcZ-3H1000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:45:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2rcV-0005x9-Tv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:45:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2A53858725; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29711-04; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66C9E8586FA; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CB4D85972E for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29550-02 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C592857902 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080601174416.LBVX58.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:44:16 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080601174257.SPYL7054.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:42:57 +0100 Message-ID: <6F85A79D5EBF44239D5CD48930032B1C@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> <000601c8c3d0$6f372d00$6402a8c0@2padua> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:39:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 727 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ffn86aHo4QYA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-GEPrHd1yEB9jNsp7RsA:9 a=mKnK8Qynlcd01_zD0tkA:7 a=NASw35Ct0IwQ_ooq70OStL04KEoA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1476] Hello, Tonnie, Thanks for all the info about the fonts. I understand why Black and Light or whatever may not come out as intuitively as one might hope. The point I was trying to make is that with some fonts (e.g. Hull and System) the N button does not yield the same variant as the "default" variant - so having switched to a different variant using B it is not possible to switch back to the original using N. Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 2 12:04:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K2yre-16X000-04-Bv7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:04:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K2yre-16X000-04-Bv7; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:29:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K2yre-16X000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:29:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K2yrd-0003Fx-SZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:29:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A983C858F73; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05399-04; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AB7E859191; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Jun 2008 21:24:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B07B859009 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05210-10 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC0FA858F86 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B542AAF28 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:49 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8556DBA76 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:49 +1200 (NZST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wGnsGaGfWS6 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:24:55 +1200 (NZST) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35694DBA79 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:28:49 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 13:29:37 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Fwd: OvPro 2.77 keyboard problem Message-ID: <4fa8e37e97asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 728 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YJnXr6jPJZMA:15 a=YrOvAtLFyKwA:10 a=lO_lOHq-X4QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2s4uhUqSCdCQ3mGrg7YA:9 a=vhWG_pWtXC-hsXZQ9WkA:7 a=yS47bLNerIVPStOkFvu_-lcki5wA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1478] Greetings, I have recently had to change the keyboard for my Iyonix to a Microsoft Model 1031 - the only individual one I can get here with a gap to the left of the 'A' key so we are not continually hitting the Caps Lock key every time we type an 'a' - very frustrating! Since this is a USB keyboard I had a bit of fun setting it up as it has an "Flock" key which, when disabled changes the key codes issued for F1 to F12. Using !HID, I eventually cleared the special keys file to be empty as I couldn't seem to get any of the 'special' keys to do anything anyway - it is still empty and after 'Instal"ing that I appeared to have no problems - until out of the blue one day my wife wanted to use OvPro!! When she started typing, all kinds of weird characters appeared on the display - all top bit set but not in a consistent code sequence. Typing top bit set characters worked fine - they came out as advertised (so to speak). I then wondered whether the window manager had gone wrong somehow - so typed F12 - on its own - and, most unexpectedly, up came a TaskWindow from StrongED. Typing anything into this window was perfect - an 'a' was an 'a' was an 'a' etc. Indeed typing anything into any other application worked correctly. Typing F12 on its own was wrong, of course - and I found that typing Ctrl-F12 brought up the command prompt as F12 alone should have done. Just out of curiosity I loaded the OvnPro which resides on one of the discs on my other machine (also an Iyonix) - and this worked impeccably. Unfortunately it wasn't a matter of corruption as, when I copied the OvnPro from that other machine it went wrong too. Quite by chance I thought that it may be something to do with the keyboard, so I loaded !HID, selected "Install" and, lo and behold, OvnPro was back to working normally. Unfortunately I have no idea how or what was done to cause the change to weird behaviour. It has happened three or four times over the last week or so but I have tried almost every key combination that might be hit by accident and nothing I have tried explicitly changes the behaviour. I have installed only the latest Netsurf version during this time - and typing into its windows, like every other application, always works correctly. I post this here, since it is only OvPro that seems to be affected (apart from the F12 key). Has anyone else had a similar experience? Do you know what caused it? Have you found a fix? I sit with fingers crossed that some wise soul may be able to enlighten me. Regards, Keith PS As an aside, has anyone actually been able to get special keys working on this (to me) new model of keyboard?? -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 2 12:04:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K35z8-2A1GPo-08-DK9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:04:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K35z8-2A1GPo-08-DK9; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:05:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K35z8-2A1GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:05:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K35z8-0007IL-71 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:05:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D04E8595A6; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06282-01; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 995CB8594A9; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:01:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 911F485950A for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06136-05 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39E4485946E for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 05:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.69.60.65] (helo=chris.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K35yM-0000zz-N6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:05:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:59:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Message-ID: <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1K35yM-0000zz-N6 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 729 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=exoFt1lKVH0A:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=w8yPeRLiIHlHRncpLD8A:9 a=XzFwMZCSdnSzehYuzLMA:7 a=7aYiSH_CcFi--X4nSHFNbKDPS2AA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1478] David Pilling wrote: > John Grogan writes > >Ovation Pro's algorithm for choosing variants may be simple but it > >doesn't > I never said it was simple - just that it doesn't work as well as one > would like. > >has it been tweaked to accommodate some particular fonts to try to > >make it appear more intelligent than it really is? > It has not been tweeked for particular fonts - however it does depend > on a knowledge of font names - e.g. if the name has "bold" in then > it assumes that is a bold font. If the font designer decides to use > "reallyblack" then it won't recognise that as bold. Please forgive me for sticking my neck out, but other RISC OS apps get B and I right, even when they map to strange things like 'xxx.yyy.Condensed.Black.Oblique'. My understanding of RISC OS font names is as follows: Normal = N or N.X Bold = N.B Italic = N.I or N.X.I Bold Italic = N.B.I or N.I.B where N = (eg) 'Times' or 'Times.Condensed' X = 'Medium', 'Regular', 'Roman' or 'Book'. I = 'Italic', 'Oblique' or 'Inclined'. B = 'Bold', 'Black', 'Demi', 'Heavy', 'Extra' or 'Ultra' or something which contains one of these (eg 'SemiBold') but not 'xxxLight' (eg 'UltraLight'). Thus, surely a program only needs to consider the last 2 elements of a pathname when deciding which of the 4 variants a fontname represents? It also needs to know what N is, even when B and/or I are selected, and must take X into account when it exists. > Font Hull ( Black / Black.Oblique / Light / Light.Oblique ) is even > more perplexing in that although the default is Hull.Black, the B and > N buttons both yield Hull.Light. Just to add to the confusion, B+I > and N+I both yield Hull.Black.Oblique! A program has a choice in this instance because: if N = 'Hull' then B = 'Hull.Black' and I doesn't exist. if N = 'Hull.Black' then I = 'Hull.Black.Oblique' and B doesn't exist. if N = 'Hull.Light' then I = 'Hull.Light.Oblique' and B doesn't exist. Whichever one is chosen, it should be able to switch between N, B and I logically. It would also be possible, of course, to devise a method to recognise all 4 variants sensibly ('Light' being interpreted as 'Medium' in this case). If John wants to use B and I to select all Hull variants in OP as things stand, 'Hull.Light' and 'Hull.Light.Oblique' must be renamed. But this isn't as simple as it might appear - I can do it for you, John, if you care to send me me your entire Hull font directory.) Chris Bell. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 2 12:04:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K37U1-1oJknw-06-BpG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:04:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K37U1-1oJknw-06-BpG; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:41:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K37U1-1oJknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:41:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K37U1-00035y-C5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:41:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B039858AD8; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12313-10; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0B4F858CBA; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BD3585946F for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12010-03 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00C6B858F8E for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080602104412.OGQN14647.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:44:12 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080602104859.IRCI20933.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:48:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:40:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 730 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o_3WBDd-QywA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_H2pCwQ0DKD15O9_jc0A:9 a=7VptQ8tW9RzqKJc62P4A:7 a=vpNBZTSyCSeFYK4XohWRi8phyHsA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=plE8mkVoi54A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1478] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 > > If John wants to use B and I to select all Hull variants in OP as things > stand, 'Hull.Light' and 'Hull.Light.Oblique' must be renamed. But this > isn't as simple as it might appear - I can do it for you, John, if you > care to send me me your entire Hull font directory.) > Hello, Chris, Thanks for the offer but there's really no need. With these odd fonts, I'm quite happy to select the variant I want from the sub-menu. As I explained in my previous note, I was really just trying to highlight the apparently unnecessary inconsistency with some fonts between the default selection and the N selection. Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 3 12:01:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3Ll7-4UI000-04-EbC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:01:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3Ll7-4UI000-04-EbC; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:56:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3Ll7-4UI000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:56:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3Ll7-0000mP-11 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:56:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63CF1859D86; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25519-07; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF1B9859C35; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26648859DC6 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25449-03 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfilter10.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter10.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6FE4859AA8 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:51:38 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EABdBREh2XUL0/2dsb2JhbACBVYFQrAQBgUU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,580,1204455600"; d="scan'208";a="102953187" Received: from 118-93-66-244.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO riscpc.my.home) ([118.93.66.244]) by smtp.mailfilter2.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 03 Jun 2008 13:55:36 +1200 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:55:29 +1200 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Error To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 731 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ijm@ihug.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OeaKtuPPSVcA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=i2htfmZN5-yqfWkCEdQA:9 a=X2p2kNMTrgrwD1Pp-fcA:7 a=wCQTgsMtLsAhRn9uJhUEvNRhPhYA:4 a=FrtwQvKtGioA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.4/1478] Hi I am running OP 2.77 on Virtual RPC and get the following error after getting a type 5 error I reinstalled OP and now I can not get it to load. I get the following error Internal error, no stack for trap handler Data abort pc+600BC594 registers at 0013A100 [Cancel] Any ideas, please. Cheers -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Phone +64-(0)-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0381 Cell +64-(0)-21-181-9991 Aotearoa/New Zealand e-mail ijm@ihug.co.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 3 20:43:16 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3UM8-1kSknw-07-EWh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:43:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3UM8-1kSknw-07-EWh; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:07:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3UM8-1kSknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:07:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3UM8-0001Ze-2W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:07:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C833C85A43F; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04475-07; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ECD285A500; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:02:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9595685A489 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04325-10 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60E4C85A45E for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1K3ULN-000K58-KA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:06:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:06:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Error References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 732 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=liJlG1L6EC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QLCYzdTGyhaMROhDQ8MA:9 a=M3rp1ECTQqhdyq8EH2AA:7 a=JwVLl3NP3V1_nMZGzBvggDlTiUEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1480] In message , Ian J Melville writes >I am running OP 2.77 on Virtual RPC and get the following error after getting >a type 5 error I reinstalled OP and now I can not get it to load. I'd work your way up, set off by running OP direct from the CD, then copy to virgin disc space and run again, then upgrade to 2.77 and so on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 3 20:43:24 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3cGP-3WxVbs-07-F8w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:43:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3cGP-3WxVbs-07-F8w; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:33:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3cGP-3WxVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:33:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3cGO-0004Lu-Qc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:33:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D80B585A88C; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22023-09; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D71285AB48; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD77F85A88C for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21927-08 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfilter10.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter10.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C26C85AB8B for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:28:57 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsQEANI4RUh2XUL0/2dsb2JhbACBVYFQrXYBgUo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,585,1204455600"; d="scan'208";a="103147075" Received: from 118-93-66-244.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO riscpc.my.home) ([118.93.66.244]) by smtp.mailfilter2.ihug.co.nz with SMTP; 04 Jun 2008 07:33:01 +1200 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:32:03 +1200 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Error To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ijm@ihug.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OeaKtuPPSVcA:15 a=liJlG1L6EC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=W2RpVSCtX3JYRloUs0AA:9 a=xpHqx2gubb8HW8hTzXsA:7 a=Syrx5JY7IEWKp9PWT91isVWxVggA:4 a=FrtwQvKtGioA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1480] On Tue 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: Thanks for that. In my panic I forgot to to explain what happened before. I tried to rescan fonts and that went wrong and is still causing problems. I have to sort that out as well. > > In message , Ian J > Melville writes > >I am running OP 2.77 on Virtual RPC and get the following error after getting > >a type 5 error I reinstalled OP and now I can not get it to load. > > I'd work your way up, set off by running OP direct from the CD, then > copy to virgin disc space and run again, then upgrade to 2.77 and so on. > > -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Phone +64-(0)-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0381 Cell +64-(0)-21-181-9991 Aotearoa/New Zealand e-mail ijm@ihug.co.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. 21 of Life's Unanswered Questions... 21. Why do you need a driver's license to buy liquor when you can't drink and drive? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 3 21:13:15 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3cqR-3Jrknw-02-EYu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:13:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3cqR-3Jrknw-02-EYu; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:10:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3cqR-3Jrknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:10:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3cqQ-0001wg-74 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:10:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4B0A85681C; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25966-03; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C605858E52; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:06:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5709B85AD86 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25685-03 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2466685AD22 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1K3cpi-0001SO-PA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:10:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 21:07:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Error References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 734 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=liJlG1L6EC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=TiqzmFwmQPT1DjKtWUoA:7 a=Zx7bJoIa_JyI1n6RfsBoYrTY96cA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1480] In message , Ian J Melville writes >On Tue 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >Thanks for that. In my panic I forgot to to explain what happened before. > >I tried to rescan fonts and that went wrong and is still causing problems. > >I have to sort that out as well. There are things you can do to !Fonts that cause a crash. There's some sort of text file you can add to it, make an error in the format and the machine will crash. Obviously if the font manager is stuffed then all bets are off as regards Ovation Pro. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 4 20:48:01 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3sgz-12K000-07-FlO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:48:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3sgz-12K000-07-FlO; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:06:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3sgz-12K000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:06:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3sgx-0002gz-83 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:06:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DD5385AD53; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05757-06; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0356985AD1F; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:01:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BDAE85AD53 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05638-01 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw-out-be-04.be08.sunrise.ch (mail-proxy-be-01.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7C3985AD1F for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.janvredenburch.smile.ch (abo-ls-1-1-dialup-77.spectraweb.ch [194.230.224.77]) by gw-out-be-04.be08.sunrise.ch (8.13.1/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m54D5fpC024908 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:05:41 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab settings granularity To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:58:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <481F7105.60904@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <481F7105.60904@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 735 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_HuFZR6p-oIA:15 a=GQ2xsTMKaAUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=q3LI_sYo2tBySYNf-8oA:9 a=1fYEO7HXddGIPhTueKMA:7 a=C5E6jF0k9FMTd1zp4PFjdZI2peIA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1482] I'm not sure that an answer was given, therefore this message. In message <481F7105.60904@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Is there any way to set tabs at intervals which do not fall on exact > millimeter boundaries? I have tried entering a value (say, 41.5mm) in > the dialogue box but it gets truncated to 41mm later. Yes, there is. When setting the tab position in Edit style -> Tabs you must hit before clicking on the button. If you forget the the tab position falls back to the full millimeter setting. What precedes is valid for OvPro and OPwin. It is mentioned on page 61 of the OvPro manual. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 4 20:48:08 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3tbL-1nmknw-07-Er2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:48:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3tbL-1nmknw-07-Er2; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:04:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3tbL-1nmknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:04:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3tbK-0004JS-SI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:04:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0005285AACB; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11916-01; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75A0885AA76; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0382A85A820 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11751-04 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A982F85A7AA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bd39.argonet.co.uk (dsl82-163-70-48.as15444.net [82.163.70.48]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m54E3W4u027779 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:03:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew Conroy To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:02:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Decimal Tabs in OvPro Message-ID: <4faa302277andrew@owlart.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 736 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andrew@owlart.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hqpf-C9ixr4A:15 a=lKj0vtDRkhUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=nH_AaEM1AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=k7rdsbeeo6ReVStia20A:9 a=qWkC_lC38qTpBMh7dEkA:7 a=FVhx0nEECwRBIKHuHOyaiZSaKu4A:4 a=Igw0r6LVhIEA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1482] I've just been trying to put together a pricelist in OvPro v2.77 (RISC OS). I seem to be having a problem with decimal tabs. I can define a tab ruler, set the tab leadering and the decimal tab character, but OvPro seems to ignore my choice of tab character and uses what seems to be most non-numeric characters. eg. Set a decimal tab character as x, so I can write "1234zsx9876" and the should "1234zs" come to the left of the tab and the "9876" to the right of the tab. This doesn't happen because OvPro puts the z at the tab and places "1234" to the left and "sx9876" to the right. 2nd eg. Set the decimal tab char as . so I can use a proper decimal tab in prices. If I type "=A312.36" this works correctly, but if I type "from =A312.36" this doesn't as it places the space at the tab. Am I missing something? Is this a known problem? Anyone know any way round it? Thanks, Andrew --=20 http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.co.uk | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 4 21:02:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3z6Q-03zVbs-04-9Lx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:02:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3z6Q-03zVbs-04-9Lx; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:56:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3z6Q-03zVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:56:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3z6L-0007ek-L6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:56:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9399E85B165; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31485-09; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15DD585B215; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B3EB85B165 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31417-05 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A35AC85B14E for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1K3z5T-000BAy-LY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:55:59 +0000 Message-ID: <6$OEGtAKLvRIFwGC@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:53:46 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Decimal Tabs in OvPro References: <4faa302277andrew@owlart.net> In-Reply-To: <4faa302277andrew@owlart.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 737 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=hn917Jf1YbcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=SNVKJNMWyS5FUWWfc4oA:9 a=DHADliSYWknF8iSbqXAA:7 a=Mg6FxFQILp-RAlWgHWq0wB145_MA:4 a=aN_dsQuji08A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1482] In message <4faa302277andrew@owlart.net>, Andrew Conroy writes >Am I missing something? Is this a known problem? Anyone know any way >round it? There was a discussion about this a couple of weeks back - I think "centre listing" was the subject. So the best thing is to look back at that here: http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/05-2008/ At the end of that discussion I pointed out that although you can set the decimal tab character, OP has a built in sense of what constitutes a number - a number consists of the digits 0..9, +, - and the letter e - this is what you're running up against. The above discussion does show how to not use decimal tabs so may help. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 4 21:17:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K3zK2-0mjVbs-04-98L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:17:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K3zK2-0mjVbs-04-98L; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:11:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K3zK2-0mjVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:11:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K3zJy-0001iZ-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A21985B2C5; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00796-07; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E44ED85B314; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2817D85B2E5 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00754-01 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 727E985B24B for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bd39.argonet.co.uk (dsl82-163-70-48.as15444.net [82.163.70.48]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m54K9dau002133 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:09:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew Conroy To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:09:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Decimal Tabs in OvPro Message-ID: <4faa51afc0andrew@owlart.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6$OEGtAKLvRIFwGC@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4faa302277andrew@owlart.net> <6$OEGtAKLvRIFwGC@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 738 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andrew@owlart.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hqpf-C9ixr4A:15 a=hn917Jf1YbcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nH_AaEM1AAAA:8 a=or-H8W1TqMlYzxNH_ZgA:9 a=DO4HVWXdsoSNNi0xk1kA:7 a=ksaXrl_U7BleHP6z4eILMWIdcn8A:4 a=Igw0r6LVhIEA:10 a=aN_dsQuji08A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1482] In article <6$OEGtAKLvRIFwGC@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4faa302277andrew@owlart.net>, Andrew Conroy > writes > >Am I missing something? Is this a known problem? Anyone know any way > >round it? > There was a discussion about this a couple of weeks back - I think > "centre listing" was the subject. So the best thing is to look back at > that here: > http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/05-2008/ > At the end of that discussion I pointed out that although you can set > the decimal tab character, OP has a built in sense of what constitutes > a number - a number consists of the digits 0..9, +, - and the letter e > - this is what you're running up against. > The above discussion does show how to not use decimal tabs so may help. Thanks, I'd looked through my archive but not found that somehow! It doesn't quite solve this particular problem as I'd have to edit the tab ruler for each seperate line :-( Not to worry, I shall just have to redesign the advert instead. It was originally done in Impression (using decimal tabs) and subsequently imported into OvPro. Impression did exactly what I expected, so I was puzzled by the problem when importing. Andrew -- http://www.owlart.co.uk/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: Andrew@owlart.co.uk | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 4 22:02:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1K400y-3xJknw-03-Gxv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:02:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K400y-3xJknw-03-Gxv; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:55:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K400y-3xJknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:55:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K400y-0004du-3J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55EA185AF62; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04729-01; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD54085AF56; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:50:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 182C985AF4F for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04607-07 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEF8685AF4C for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1K400H-000CD6-FH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:54:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 21:53:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 739 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZFMmSwOsckA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rgZprBYv1SrgAtmNRm0A:9 a=7WIt0i9iG5eNLm4nv_UA:7 a=3pXNeLxvlPZndPiHZAS4zhOMpHUA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1482] In message <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >My understanding of RISC OS font names is as follows: I thought you might like to see how OP does font weights. Close your eyes now if easily offended... static char * italicnames[]= { "Italic", "Oblique", }; #define NITALIC (sizeof(italicnames)/sizeof(char *)) static char * boldnames[]= { "Bold", /* "Black", */ "Demi", "DemiBold", }; #define NBOLD (sizeof(boldnames)/sizeof(char *)) static char * normalnames[]= { "Normal", "Medium", "Regular", "Roman", "Book", "Light", }; #define NNORM (sizeof(normalnames)/sizeof(char *)) static int italicfont(char * s) { int i; for(i=0;i for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:25:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1K4Avz-35oVbs-07-EZQ; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:34:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1K4Avz-35oVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:34:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1K4Avz-0005Wq-0a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:34:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3710885A9F3; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 04:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26888-02; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 04:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D3385ABA9; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 04:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:30:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6A3D85A9F3 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 04:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26732-04 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 04:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1F0685A968 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 04:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.69.60.120] (helo=chris.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K4AvI-0003Hr-28 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:34:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:33:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Text format in OvPro 2.77 Message-ID: <4faa95cd8dchris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4fa253dd79chris@highpath.net> <4fa7c1ff54rkp@par.me.uk> <$0Y1kEDV0UQIFweu@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1C29EE614F1E490CB44C84BEE9477A11@PC01> <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1K4AvI-0003Hr-28 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 740 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mkcGpeLNkKgA:15 a=xwAJwvqxWXgA:10 a=tRbQG7u_rMUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Iu2q6TITCQEOQsxyTHoA:9 a=vscGWQR2kUWYlUlZuWwA:7 a=rrklYdQ3m00K9eW7PavFngGaVMcA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.93 [269.24.6/1482] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4fa9072a08chris@highpath.net>, Chris > writes > >My understanding of RISC OS font names is as follows: > I thought you might like to see how OP does font weights. Close your > eyes now if easily offended... > static char * italicnames[]= > { > "Italic", > "Oblique", [Snip] Err - maybe I *was* sticking my neck out - sorry! Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling