From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 3 11:55:04 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JLW3q-12jGPo-05-Czp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:55:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JLW3q-12jGPo-05-Czp; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:02:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JLW3q-12jGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:02:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JLW3q-0000hW-8U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:02:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A896E7F77F2; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01632-02; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 731857F7821; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:01:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F03717F77F2 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01444-05 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.145]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51AEE7F77BB for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 23:01:47 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAFrKpEd5LBFe/2dsb2JhbAAIrFE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,297,1199626200"; d="scan'208";a="47055518" Received: from ppp121-44-17-94.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.17.94]) by ipmail05.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 03 Feb 2008 14:31:44 +1030 Message-ID: <47A53CC2.3020500@internode.on.net> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:02:10 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Impression to Ovation Windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 422 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_in43Q7AjR8A:15 a=vCqquQgQDDoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IqrzFU3qVc9RgrxY0JoA:9 a=TtMZVeG9GpIZzCVHTb4A:7 a=4wDrnynikEy91fctjjKOKssE2IoA:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.19.19/1256] What is the best way to transfer lots of Impression documents to Ovation Windows? Some are in single file form and others as a directory do they all need to be changed to one type? I have VirtualRPC Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 3 12:08:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JLddc-2z9knw-07-DwZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:08:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JLddc-2z9knw-07-DwZ; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:07:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JLddc-2z9knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:07:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JLddc-0002gP-3T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:07:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 866657F8E15; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07418-01; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FDCA7F8451; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:07:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 513277F8D96 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07235-08 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 219A27F8D34 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 07:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JLdcv-0005rM-OR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:07:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:05:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to Ovation Windows References: <47A53CC2.3020500@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <47A53CC2.3020500@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 423 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=M6xiNFwYBowA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=HSntb_6oAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=EK3K9OuttkEuUSQbgUIA:7 a=U7Jbr8RnOQ5Bc8E3oKmGLvb1_cUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.19.19/1256] In message <47A53CC2.3020500@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >What is the best way to transfer lots of Impression documents to >Ovation Windows? >Some are in single file form and others as a directory do they all need >to be changed to one type? >I have VirtualRPC I don't see any advantage in changing the documents to one type - file or folder. How you do the conversion... (1) Load the documents by hand and save them by hand. (2) Use Keystroke (http://www.quantumsoft.co.uk/keystroke/) to automate (1). Keystroke is now free. (3) Use the !Convert program from !TransIMP as part of an obey file which applies it to all the objects in a directory. (4) Write some sort of Ovation Pro script which scans through a directory loading and saving. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 5 12:22:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JMDY6-2b6000-02-C89.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:22:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JMDY6-2b6000-02-C89; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:28:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JMDY6-2b6000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:28:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JMDY6-0001J4-7Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:28:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C3797F8F5A; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22632-04-2; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F08E47F9DCC; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:27:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C1AF7F9DFD for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22409-10 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C3B87F9DE3 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:27:55 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACdWp0d5LHQJ/2dsb2JhbAAIrS8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,304,1199626200"; d="scan'208";a="35260309" Received: from ppp121-44-116-9.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.116.9]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 05 Feb 2008 12:57:52 +1030 Message-ID: <47A7C9C3.5050304@internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:28:19 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Memory lapse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 424 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=spmDxtjbEwAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=u1bhrikOE-r2jmSmrG0A:9 a=CBaAvC4MNWThTZQKcKYA:7 a=2MqRNseld5cajs0zGLCvKl-prfoA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.19.20/1260] I know that I knew but memory has gone:-((( When trying to load transimp in Virtual select 4.02 gives a error message shared C library out of date. Where do I get an up to date version? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 5 12:22:21 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JMESr-2tsknw-08-BDO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:22:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JMESr-2tsknw-08-BDO; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:27:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JMESr-2tsknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:27:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JMESr-0000tw-4l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:27:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 904317F9537; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32085-06; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CD2B7F967B; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:26:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B5737F9537 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31958-02 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 494A17F957D for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:26:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JMES9-0006DP-JC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:26:33 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Memory lapse To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:25:17 GMT Message-ID: <6b71296c4f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <47A7C9C3.5050304@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <47A7C9C3.5050304@internode.on.net> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 425 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7QFNe3uAhSkA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Pnflkq1ZAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=D3MeHix9Thb-iWgJnOUA:9 a=Br8cG0TaD679cywNl-YA:7 a=VobNKKB4fvJvLRMLDT1xUH2gb5oA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.19.20/1260] On 5 Feb, Peter Prewett wrote: > I know that I knew but memory has gone:-((( > When trying to load transimp in Virtual select 4.02 gives a error > message shared C library out of date. > Where do I get an up to date version? is probably your first port of call... -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------- All electronic components run on smoke. 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To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 15 19:06:57 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQ5pv-1j3000-08-AWm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:06:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQ5pv-1j3000-08-AWm; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQ5pv-1j3000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQ5pu-0001Bo-SG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2536A801791; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16118-06; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E02C88016B0; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1DAD8017A1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15972-05 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8639D8016F9 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:20 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 663790787/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.224.16 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.224.16 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CALhwtUdYaeAQ/2dsb2JhbACBWa0B Received: from 88-105-224-16.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.224.16]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2008 19:02:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 426 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DPS0keERRHMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cP55nJqTXt-B7uEbo6sA:9 a=g0F7PlkvZp0VUZVMyZYA:7 a=_afSRNdRxBy0SmV5b2iPIIML_rkA:4 a=T81ihCft0O8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.6/1280] Ov Pro version: 2.77 5th Jan 2008 SARPC. Select RO 6.06 Since update the OS to 6.06 a while back, I've had a little problem with OvPro and the !Clipbrds Applet. I have 4 clipboards... I shall use three for the illo. So I hilight text "Number 1" and using the "Clipboards" window I click [Copy] to the no 1 clipboard. (Clicking the View button shows it does indeed contains "Number 1") I hilight text "Number 2" and using the "Clipboards" window I click {Copy] to the no 2 clipboard. (Clicking the View button shows it does indeed contains "Number 2") I hilight text "Number 2" and using the "Clipboards" window I click {Copy] to the no 2 clipboard. (Clicking the View button shows it does indeed contains "Number 3") If I now click the no 2 clipboard radio button to select it, then do a [Paste] I get the text from number 3 (the last copied item) pasted at the caret instead of the contents of 2 which still show "Number 2" The same applies if I select number 1s radio button and do a [Paste] I still get the text from number 3. This applies whatever order it's done in, as the last thing copied to the clipboard is the only thing pasted. Has anyone else on 6.06 noticed this? Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 15 21:52:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQ8JK-0WLknw-02-GZt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:52:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQ8JK-0WLknw-02-GZt; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQ8JK-0WLknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQ8JJ-0004Pv-RV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46A217FF870; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13262-03; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DD677FFC57; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AFB17FF870 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13089-07 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C0817FF017 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JQ8Ie-0002xw-6b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:40:52 +0000 Message-ID: <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:39:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 427 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BJaDgQgrCCOYWqhEj_MA:9 a=LX7aw7tg72hRYAX1HyYA:7 a=axdEnmKDR2ayWTKTCKM8iQFK3zwA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.6/1280] In message <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >This applies whatever order it's done in, as the last thing copied to the >clipboard is the only thing pasted. > >Has anyone else on 6.06 noticed this? I presume you also have global clipboard support ticked in OP choices? In other words if you turn it off, do things work? I wonder if 6.06 has some sort of clip board application built in. The last changes to OP for RISC OS were concerned with supporting some small clipboard applications - these used the clipboard protocol in innovative ways, in addition I spotted some bugs in OP's clipboard support. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 15 22:22:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQ8rm-30e000-05-G1R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:22:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQ8rm-30e000-05-G1R; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:17:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQ8rm-30e000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:17:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQ8rl-0000QB-Sm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:17:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 536908012DF; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18967-08; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 139898011A0; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:16:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 773398012DF for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18872-09 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B25A801263 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:16:28 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 41809646/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.29.71 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.29.71 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CADydtUdV0x1H/2dsb2JhbACuTg X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-29-71.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO helvellyn) ([85.211.29.71]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2008 22:16:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:16:11 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 428 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RSiCB-ahzWMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jagGFOFpL2a8KFqOlF8A:9 a=EkvIQ-a6coxpDshyU4EA:7 a=4VgUAsghqEKuC4irTpBayPCUWQ0A:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.6/1280] On 15 Feb, David Pilling wrote in message <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk>: > In message <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > > > This applies whatever order it's done in, as the last thing copied to > > the clipboard is the only thing pasted. > > > > Has anyone else on 6.06 noticed this? > > I presume you also have global clipboard support ticked in OP choices? > In other words if you turn it off, do things work? > > I wonder if 6.06 has some sort of clip board application built in. It's got the clipboard holder, which does something along the lines of take cut/copied items off the hands of the originating application and then supply them in response to pastes. I've never found a definitive explanation of exactly what it does -- but ISTR that when it came out, it broke ClipMan, which does a similar task to Dave's utility. I /think/ the problem is that multi-clipboard utilities are, by definition, trying to pull the same stunt as the clipboard holder. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:25:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQ9TQ-1MYGPo-01-FPn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQ9TQ-1MYGPo-01-FPn; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:56:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQ9TQ-1MYGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:56:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQ9TM-0006No-Ox for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:56:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CE9F80189A; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25716-01; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2555380186C; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 045498013E6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25416-06 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD2908012BA for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-185-163.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.185.163]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1FMtFgQ001268 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:55:15 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:02:01 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 429 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gBG0lyAqTMIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=ftKCS8xyCT3o29n7yuEA:7 a=TCVTUwEQjgQKbZiiN1AAFp-IWwoA:4 a=eOIUdZihUIEA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> you wrote: > It's got the clipboard holder, which does something along the lines of > take cut/copied items off the hands of the originating application and > then supply them in response to pastes. I've never found a definitive > explanation of exactly what it does -- but ISTR that when it came out, it > broke ClipMan, which does a similar task to Dave's utility. More info: http://developer.riscos.com/registered/Documents/Clipboard/clipboard.html BTW you can use Google for this. 'site:riscos.com clipboard' gave that link and several other ones. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:25:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQG7u-3wJknw-01-8lJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQG7u-3wJknw-01-8lJ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:02:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQG7u-3wJknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:02:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQG7t-0004et-Pn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:02:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E00B800813; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13528-08; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1741800425; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:01:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C147980059D for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13435-08 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77251800721 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:01:37 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 672808625/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.192.164 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.192.164 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAK8KtkdYacCk/2dsb2JhbACBWats Received: from 88-105-192-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.192.164]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2008 06:01:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:52:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <4f71e112bbdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 430 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ldUprLMesDEA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0hNLfzxJDJ1gKWEtS-4A:9 a=DD3sVT9n6QgIHn8DFNoA:7 a=BB-sQTOb4TMFcXpt_3bEpL4wwpcA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In article <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >This applies whatever order it's done in, as the last thing copied to > >the clipboard is the only thing pasted. > > > >Has anyone else on 6.06 noticed this? > I presume you also have global clipboard support ticked in OP choices? > In other words if you turn it off, do things work? > I wonder if 6.06 has some sort of clip board application built in. The > last changes to OP for RISC OS were concerned with supporting some small > clipboard applications - these used the clipboard protocol in innovative > ways, in addition I spotted some bugs in OP's clipboard support. It does seem to be some sort of clash between Clipboardholder and the OvPro multi clipboards. If I switch off global clipboard support in OP choices, then the multi clipboards work correctly. I now remember recent version of Select and the global clip thing have broken a number of clipboard uses... Pluto for example... Writable icons, you'd get a double pasting. (The Flying Pig created a NoPaste module to sort that one out). Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:25:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQKjB-2lf000-04-CgY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQKjB-2lf000-04-CgY; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:57:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQKjB-2lf000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:57:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQKjB-0001xd-3r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:57:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FF4C801A0B; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09829-09; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30CB48015F4; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:56:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B29F68015FB for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09799-02 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 539C38015B9 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-52-244-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.52.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1JQKiU1xwo-0002HT; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:56:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:51:21 +0100 Message-ID: <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CPIZdTUjwbE7XVDVi+h9eZQDyc/Cr4Nna8ZE Mbsfpe66pOSxHGEnNFOuy5sShBw4W/IJB1PFKFBUV7HXAuxmxA fPyoURxiwLteyj7E2g9saK4aeC5+WHE X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 431 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G-1XJBwZ7JQA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZBBk-b1wR_oi1mfZhkEA:9 a=raRjgbjhmMb8Trn93psA:7 a=6T4Jf1z3o-wF5v-6-oqnAvD5718A:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=eOIUdZihUIEA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> John Tytgat wrote: > In message <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> you wrote: >> It's got the clipboard holder, which does something along the lines of >> take cut/copied items off the hands of the originating application and >> then supply them in response to pastes. I've never found a definitive >> explanation of exactly what it does -- but ISTR that when it came out, it >> broke ClipMan, which does a similar task to Dave's utility. > More info: > http://developer.riscos.com/registered/Documents/Clipboard/clipboard.html > BTW you can use Google for this. 'site:riscos.com clipboard' gave that > link and several other ones. Thanks, but that document does not even mention ClipboardHolder nor does it shed any light on what it does. One of the other links gives at least a little glimpse: http://select.riscos.com/prm/desktop/clipboardholder.html It lists two SWIs provided by ClipboardHolder that applications can use to directly copy/paste files to/from the clipboard. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:25:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQMVA-2P8knw-06-AuZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQMVA-2P8knw-06-AuZ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQMVA-2P8knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQMV8-0005cJ-Q2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7381E8010E4; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25742-04; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 320858017A4; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D5D48011E1 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-05 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C68848011C6 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 7275624/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.16.122 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.16.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAE5qtkdV0xB6/2dsb2JhbACseQ X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-16-122.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO helvellyn) ([85.211.16.122]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2008 12:49:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:47:38 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 433 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e0Ce7U-tXAIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5afnNeTJ-wAqoo3Rf_kA:9 a=mUbCf_VgTQyatHkJxYcA:7 a=HHDjsHLGlTv8i5Obt5g74Cra_iEA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] On 15 Feb, Dave Symes wrote in message <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net>: > Ov Pro version: 2.77 5th Jan 2008 SARPC. Select RO 6.06 > > Since update the OS to 6.06 a while back, I've had a little problem with > OvPro and the !Clipbrds Applet. I have 4 clipboards... I shall use three > for the illo. > > So I hilight text "Number 1" and using the "Clipboards" window I click > [Copy] to the no 1 clipboard. (Clicking the View button shows it does > indeed contains "Number 1") > > I hilight text "Number 2" and using the "Clipboards" window I click > {Copy] to the no 2 clipboard. (Clicking the View button shows it does > indeed contains "Number 2") > > I hilight text "Number 2" and using the "Clipboards" window I click > {Copy] to the no 2 clipboard. (Clicking the View button shows it does > indeed contains "Number 3") > > If I now click the no 2 clipboard radio button to select it, then do a > [Paste] > > I get the text from number 3 (the last copied item) pasted at the caret > instead of the contents of 2 which still show "Number 2" > > The same applies if I select number 1s radio button and do a [Paste] I > still get the text from number 3. > > This applies whatever order it's done in, as the last thing copied to > the clipboard is the only thing pasted. > > Has anyone else on 6.06 noticed this? It applies to Select versions with the Clipboard Holder, too. The only fix that I can think of is to turn off "Global clipboard" in the General tab of O-Pro's choices. This will stop inter-application cut and pastes with O-Pro, but allows the applet to work again. You can obviously turn this option back on again if you don't need multiple clipboards. See my other (much longer) post for an explanation of why this works... (this is just in case you don't read to the end of that, and hence miss this bit of info). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:25:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQMVI-2PVknw-06-AuR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQMVI-2PVknw-06-AuR; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQMVI-2PVknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQMVI-0005xu-CA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 196E88011B7; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25684-08; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6ACB801793; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF9878010E4 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-04 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6C16800F37 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:49:52 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 7275621/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.16.122 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.16.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAE5qtkdV0xB6/2dsb2JhbACSJppT X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-16-122.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO helvellyn) ([85.211.16.122]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2008 12:49:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:43:39 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 432 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e0Ce7U-tXAIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=l-R-Vdc0s0XMwePd8zUA:9 a=DSQtHVx2dKz8XyV-mHMA:7 a=cQ_YlrCN8y-tI2a1k-Y6Cobm8IIA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=eOIUdZihUIEA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] On 16 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote in message <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>: > In message <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> > John Tytgat wrote: > > > In message <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> you wrote: > > > > It's got the clipboard holder, which does something along the lines > > > of take cut/copied items off the hands of the originating > > > application and then supply them in response to pastes. I've never > > > found a definitive explanation of exactly what it does -- but ISTR > > > that when it came out, it broke ClipMan, which does a similar task > > > to Dave's utility. > > > More info: > > http://developer.riscos.com/registered/Documents/Clipboard/clipboard.html > > > BTW you can use Google for this. 'site:riscos.com clipboard' gave > > that link and several other ones. > > Thanks, but that document does not even mention ClipboardHolder nor > does it shed any light on what it does. One of the other links gives at > least a little glimpse: > http://select.riscos.com/prm/desktop/clipboardholder.html It lists two > SWIs provided by ClipboardHolder that applications can use to directly > copy/paste files to/from the clipboard. Indeed: as I originally said, before John tried to be 'clever' and patronising, there is information available about what the clipboard holder does (including those two SWIs in Select, which IIRC are used by Edit, Draw, and writable icon support), but not *how* it does it or *why* it does it that way. A few months ago, when debugging IcnClipBrd, I spent a long time looking at Wimp messages passing between tasks in an attempt to fathom what was actually going on when cut/copy was done on the global clipboard. As a result, and unlike John, I'm at least aware that there is stuff I don't know about what is going on. What transpired from my investigations was this: - On pre-Select machines (RISC OS 5, RISC OS 3, probably 4.02 as well), a cut/copy results in the task concerned issuing a Message_ClaimEntity and then retaining the clipboard data. This is how the old Acorn docs define the clipboard protocol to operate. - With the Clipboard Holder on Select running, the MessageClaimEntity is followed immediately by a Message_DataRequest from the CH. The clipboard contents is transferred across, and then the CH sends out its own Message_ClaimEntity. That is, the originating task does not retain the clipboard contents, which is different from how it works on other versions of RISC OS. Note that there is nothing /wrong/ with the Select way of working: it's a perfectly legitimate use of the protocol and will not affect applications which /use/ the clipboard. However, multiple clipboard applications will be trying to do a very similar trick in order to control the data held on the clipboard. This means that there is a good chance that they will conflict, as I commented had already happened with ClipMan. Also note that pre-Select behaviour can be obtained by killing the clipboard holder module on Select. However, this breaks clipboard support in Paint, Draw and writable icons (again IIRC), and anything else that uses those two clipboard SWIs. It isn't a sensible way out of the problem. Back to Dave's problem with the Clipboards applet... In the light of the information above, and with a little more snooping on Wimp messages, it's actually fairly easy to explain what is going wrong. Let's start with the situation before the clipboard holder came along. As long as we only cut or copy within O-Pro, then the Clipboards applet does exactly what we would expect. However, as soon as we cut or copy from another global clipboard enabled application, the clipboards applet 'stops working' because O-Pro is now pasting data from that external application and so totally ignores its own internal clipboard support. Whatever board we select in the Clipboards window, the data pasted is that from the other application, collected via Message_DataRequest. The solution is to cut or copy something from O-Pro to a spare clipboard in the applet, so that O-Pro becomes the owner of the global clipboard again. On Select or RO6, with the Clipboard Holder present, O-Pro is never the owner of the global clipboard because the CH claims it away as soon as O-Pro sends around the first Message_ClaimEntity. As a result, O-Pro will always take the text to be pasted from the global clipboard, which will always be the last thing to be cut or copied from O-Pro (or elsewhere). The clipboards applet is totally out of the loop. I don't think that there is anything that David P can do to fix this, without breaking global clipboard support in some way. Like ClipMan, the clipboards applet seems to be another unintended victim of the over-zealous Clipboard Holder. >From a position of ignorance, and knowing that there is stuff about the Clipboard Holder that I don't know, I would have thought that a change to the way that the module operates would sort things out. If the CH only holds data that has been cut via its own SWIs, or that has come via Message_ReleaseEntity from a dying task, it would still continue to fulfil its purpose of holding clipboard data for posterity, while not conflicting with other utilities like this. I can only assume that this wasn't done because ROL felt that Message_ReleaseEntity wasn't well-enough supported, or because there is something else we don't know about what the module needs to do. So, as I originally said, John, I'd like to see a full functional description of what the Clipboard Holder does, how it does it, and why it does it that way -- if only to be able to accept that there is a good reason for breaking things like this. Your links (and Google), don't help. To Dave S, the only sensible fix is to turn off Global Clipboard in O-Pro's General choices. You can't then cut and paste between O-Pro and other apps, but the multiple clipboards in the clipboards applet will work again. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:26:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQN1C-3M6knw-06-AOX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:26:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQN1C-3M6knw-06-AOX; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:23:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQN1C-3M6knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:23:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQN1C-0001mo-7k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:23:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A17C5801952; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30012-05; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B00E801F70; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BE9D801958 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29858-03 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0C7E801952 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 08:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-184-21.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.184.21]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1GDN64d032181 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:23:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:29:38 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <01f80a724f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 434 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n5BxMqPbKcAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=5okfWBtrQyrBAdAP60sA:7 a=Gar4IM6JvTZ-WblH4KAjG9vHFu4A:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> you wrote: > So, as I originally said, John, I'd like to see a full functional > description of what the Clipboard Holder does, how it does it, and why it > does it that way -- if only to be able to accept that there is a good > reason for breaking things like this. Your links (and Google), don't > help. I'm sorry if you feel like that. I didn't know what you've already knew or did so far (you didn't give any specifics) so don't feel touchy if I suggested something very obvious to you. It could have at least helped others. Martin gave indeed a better reference than I did. I'm not sure what I did wrong, except perhaps for not giving you the perfect answer, in order to get such a personal targeted and hostile reply. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:26:05 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQONE-0r5000-08-92V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:26:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQONE-0r5000-08-92V; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:50:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQONE-0r5000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:50:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQOND-0002jV-IC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:50:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7827802497; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10754-07; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CB188023CC; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:49:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEAFE802481 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10602-06 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C9AB80149F for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:49:57 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 42071512/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.16.122 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.16.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAKqGtkdV0xB6/2dsb2JhbACSJppA X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-16-122.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO helvellyn) ([85.211.16.122]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2008 14:49:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:49:11 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <834012724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <01f80a724f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <01f80a724f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 435 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LYtl88iURrwA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=k1rMp4DkdgsLIuRQYOEA:9 a=g-nDutiMQnwV5E4BvZIA:7 a=1oHIYUNqsY-J0829oo7GT6HjszEA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] On 16 Feb, John Tytgat wrote in message <01f80a724f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com>: > In message <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> you wrote: > > > So, as I originally said, John, I'd like to see a full functional > > description of what the Clipboard Holder does, how it does it, and why > > it does it that way -- if only to be able to accept that there is a > > good reason for breaking things like this. Your links (and Google), > > don't help. > > I'm sorry if you feel like that. I didn't know what you've already knew > or did so far (you didn't give any specifics) so don't feel touchy if I > suggested something very obvious to you. It could have at least helped > others. Martin gave indeed a better reference than I did. > > I'm not sure what I did wrong, except perhaps for not giving you the > perfect answer, in order to get such a personal targeted and hostile > reply. Sorry, I mis-read your original reply as simply being an unhelpful (and self-righteous) "just use Google -- all the information is out there" type of response, since it was pointing me to documentation that I was already aware of and which didn't answer my question. If that wasn't what you intended, then I can only apologise for my response -- particularly if my original post was unclear as to what info I was after. It just goes to show the dangers of jumping to conclusions when reading mailing lists or newsgroups (even though I did wait several hours before actually sending my reply, which is the usual advice). Incidentally, the document you mentioned /is/ interesting, if only for what is omitted. I notice near the end: "Acceptance test "Changes to the clipboard protocol should not affect current (or future) clipboard applications. [...] "Test strategy "This section has not been written." :-( -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:26:07 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQP7r-29IGPo-02-GoO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:26:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQP7r-29IGPo-02-GoO; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:38:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQP7r-29IGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:38:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQP7q-0003nZ-NR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:38:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5555980243D; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16522-08; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15ECC80244F; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D0A580243D for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16370-09 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EA9C802112 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-52-244-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.52.244]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1JQP721JXS-0005Fg; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:38:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:38:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18QAdE2vawL2h35fvvlO4WmwBPtfMUE1E/pzSx wxsTh+WF0NyehW5Nh38q6i3alYcwGxOKctB4hk/mZIsGHyhEbO iViFhHxX1373pxbBIgApEvlE+rhvqbo X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 436 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XHt3XakWN1UA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GMp_jsFulEWxiYzUjEkA:9 a=q8eqalFkzN9FjkZjnLUA:7 a=8V0fL7xYcpd67rYOKYmJr7lLMWYA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > - With the Clipboard Holder on Select running, the MessageClaimEntity is > followed immediately by a Message_DataRequest from the CH. The clipboard > contents is transferred across, and then the CH sends out its own > Message_ClaimEntity. That is, the originating task does not retain the > clipboard contents, which is different from how it works on other versions > of RISC OS. > Note that there is nothing /wrong/ with the Select way of working: it's a > perfectly legitimate use of the protocol and will not affect applications > which /use/ the clipboard. Unfortunately, I think it does. As far as I can see, it takes away one fundamental feature of the clipboard: Automatic conversion to a format the pasting application understands. Compare the old and new scenarios: Original idea: -------------- 1 Program Foo claims the clipboard - it holds a Foo file. 2 Program Bar sends a DataRequest specifying in the filetype list that it can handle Draw and Text (in order of preference). 3 Program Foo sends it its file converted to Draw. 4 Bar pastes the Draw file. With ClipboardHolder: --------------------- 1 Program Foo claims the clipboard - it is a Foo file. 2 ClipboardHolder snatches the clipboard from it. Now, ClipboardHolder owns the clipboard, it is still a Foo file but in contrast to the Foo application, ClipboardHolder has no idea about Foo files. 3 Program Bar sends a DataRequest specifying in the filetype list that it can handle Draw and Text (in order of preference). 4 ClipboardHolder sends it the Foo file. 5 Bar has no idea what a Foo file is and ignores it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:26:08 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQPxa-35AVbs-04-Fyf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:26:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQPxa-35AVbs-04-Fyf; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:32:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQPxa-35AVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:32:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQPxa-0007SM-87 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:32:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87AE180264D; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23705-10; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41868802680; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:31:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B05580264D for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23636-08 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sif.is.scarlet.be (sif.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.28]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0D1E802610 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-184-21.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.184.21]) by sif.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m1GGVVnt008230 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:31:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:38:00 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 437 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9xlN-MN7V5sA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VCZoS03I2O90VHEy1-MA:9 a=jR4xmgq0V97ASzfhHHEA:7 a=4HBvlANHZRoJDxDuQl_bBcz8hfcA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message you wrote: > With ClipboardHolder: > --------------------- > 1 Program Foo claims the clipboard - it is a Foo file. > 2 ClipboardHolder snatches the clipboard from it. Now, ClipboardHolder > owns the clipboard, it is still a Foo file but in contrast to the > Foo application, ClipboardHolder has no idea about Foo files. > 3 Program Bar sends a DataRequest specifying in the filetype list that > it can handle Draw and Text (in order of preference). > 4 ClipboardHolder sends it the Foo file. > 5 Bar has no idea what a Foo file is and ignores it. You're sure this happens for Foo != Text ? As this is not what I read at : "The ClipboardHolder module handles the Clipboard protocol negotiations with other tasks and attempts to take control of any text (type &FFF) files which are placed on the clipboard. This allows the ClipboardHolder to provide this information directly to the WindowManager." John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 18:39:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQRjI-2ZBknw-08-ECx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:39:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQRjI-2ZBknw-08-ECx; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQRjI-2ZBknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQRjH-0005ne-98 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:25:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7FA0801FC5; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05102-02; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E4CD801FC8; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:24:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C8E5801FC5 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04962-01 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3536C8016F5 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JQRiZ-0006D7-5O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:24:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:29:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 438 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=OaQvGsj11FSCUWWgQzsA:7 a=YmlgkSyUuoU5ZalwKqRwP-3rbUQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt writes >It's got the clipboard holder, which does something along the lines of >take cut/copied items off the hands of the originating application and >then supply them in response to pastes. I've never found a definitive >explanation of exactly what it does -- but ISTR that when it came out, it That's the sort of thing I was thinking of. Perhaps the way around it, is when someone changes the current clipboard number in OP - then OP should say the contents of the global clipboard have changed. Rather than the current situation where OP just assumes if it owns the clipboard it can do what it wants. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 16 19:09:57 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQSCz-2sOVbs-01-DjG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:09:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQSCz-2sOVbs-01-DjG; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:56:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQSCz-2sOVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:56:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQSCz-0003KS-4K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:56:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DB49801740; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09536-02; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57C6C8017BF; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E438801740 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09370-08 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3401800CBF for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:55:38 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 7371339/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.16.122 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.16.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAOq/tkdV0xB6/2dsb2JhbACsSA X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-16-122.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO helvellyn) ([85.211.16.122]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2008 18:55:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:16:44 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <2089bb714f.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> <107afc714f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <2dc206724f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 439 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e0Ce7U-tXAIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=spqJ3BhSAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pK5sTafQAouIyrLR9iAA:9 a=5uNPpbRFJVb3Js5tnccA:7 a=hCBgCE1T3__KpIHfNA4Wc8p9Zd4A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] On 16 Feb, John Tytgat wrote in message : > In message you wrote: > > > With ClipboardHolder: > > --------------------- > > 1 Program Foo claims the clipboard - it is a Foo file. > > 2 ClipboardHolder snatches the clipboard from it. Now, ClipboardHolder > > owns the clipboard, it is still a Foo file but in contrast to the > > Foo application, ClipboardHolder has no idea about Foo files. > > 3 Program Bar sends a DataRequest specifying in the filetype list that > > it can handle Draw and Text (in order of preference). > > 4 ClipboardHolder sends it the Foo file. > > 5 Bar has no idea what a Foo file is and ignores it. > > You're sure this happens for Foo != Text ? As this is not what I read > at : > "The ClipboardHolder module handles the Clipboard protocol negotiations > with other tasks and attempts to take control of any text (type &FFF) > files which are placed on the clipboard. This allows the ClipboardHolder > to provide this information directly to the WindowManager." I'd forgotten that problem, but I think Martin's correct. IIRC, this bit someone recently when they found that they couldn't paste a URL from a TechWriter document into a writable icon under Select (whereas it works fine on an Iyonix with IcnClipBrd installed). This was because TW offers EasiDoc and Text in that order, and the Clipboard Holder takes the EasiDoc (the first on the list). When the Wimp asks for the clipboard contents to paste into the icon, all the CH can offer is an EasiDoc. Since the Wimp doesn't know how to paste an EasiDoc into an icon, it fails. Here is what happens when some text is copied out of TechWriter under Select 4.37. Note that the Clipboard Holder doesn't ask for text in the Message_DataRequest; it asks for whatever TechWriter's default filetype is. The text option is therefore lost. Message_ClaimEntity (&00000F) [Message] From 'TechWriter' to 'Clipboard Holder' My ref: &0000043A; Your ref: &00000000 20 : 00000004 : .... : 4 Message_DataRequest (&000010) [Message Recorded] From 'Clipboard Holder' to 'TechWriter' My ref: &0000043B; Your ref: &00000000 20 : 1BA039EC : .9.. : 463485420 24 : 00000000 : .... : 0 28 : 00000000 : .... : 0 32 : 00000000 : .... : 0 36 : 00000004 : .... : 4 40 : FFFFFFFF : .... : -1 44 : 00000000 : .... : 0 Message_DataSave (&000001) [Message Recorded] From 'TechWriter' to 'Clipboard Holder' My ref: &0000043C; Your ref: &0000043B 20 : 1BA039EC : .9.. : 463485420 24 : 00000000 : .... : 0 28 : 00000000 : .... : 0 32 : 00000000 : .... : 0 36 : 00000AA0 : .... : 2720 40 : 00000D01 : .... : 3329 44 : 656C6553 : Sele : 1701602643 48 : 6F697463 : ctio : 1869182051 52 : 0000006E : n... : 110 Message_DataSave (&000001) [Message Acknowledge] From 'TechWriter' to 'TechWriter' My ref: &0000043C; Your ref: &0000043B 20 : 1BA039EC : .9.. : 463485420 24 : 00000000 : .... : 0 28 : 00000000 : .... : 0 32 : 00000000 : .... : 0 36 : 00000AA0 : .... : 2720 40 : 00000D01 : .... : 3329 44 : 656C6553 : Sele : 1701602643 48 : 6F697463 : ctio : 1869182051 52 : 0000006E : n... : 110 -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 17 21:55:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQrJt-02n000-01-EBu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:55:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQrJt-02n000-01-EBu; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:45:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQrJt-02n000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:45:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQrJt-0003h7-AY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:45:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA49580106F; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05955-02; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94DFA801447; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:44:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 733CC80106F for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05818-09 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42063800ED2 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JQrJC-000Jp4-06 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:44:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:43:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RO 6.06 References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 440 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=ZNK4cCMg0m__I0jKIz4A:7 a=7Dvb-cHd7JZnb2LPxtJt98M3kHgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1283] In message , David Pilling writes OK, I've had a go at fixing the problem. In fact the RISC OS version now works in a similar way to the Windows version - telling the OS that the clipboard contents have changed when a different internal clipboard is selected. This fix is a natural continuation of one I made recently - broadcasting the message claiming the clipboard more often. The reason I didn't do this originally is that Acorn recommended not to. I think there has to be some evolution allowed. However it is painful because of the limited resources in the RISC OS world. Anyway I'd be interested to hear what Dave Symes makes of the new version at: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 18 11:32:27 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JQs44-2pQknw-05-DRj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:32:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JQs44-2pQknw-05-DRj; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:32:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JQs44-2pQknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:32:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JQs43-0007hp-Nm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:32:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2805B801A97; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12493-03; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E768F801910; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22748802435 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12354-02 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B10FC802425 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:32:09 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 667221749/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.130.214 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.130.214 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FADdEuEdYaYLW/2dsb2JhbACBWah+ Received: from 88-105-130-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.net) ([88.105.130.214]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2008 22:32:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:33:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and RO 6.06 Message-ID: <4f72c09ffddfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4f71a5b18adfs@ukgateway.net> <4Al05jBVagtHFwIz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1357b7714f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 441 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cSkmaynCD3oA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TbqkaIuIyAKSPgqGnsEA:9 a=SlVUZGzumpKKvwLLhZoA:7 a=nYCmomEWVZDDqeQEq0eYNy_HKa8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.7/1285] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes > OK, I've had a go at fixing the problem. In fact the RISC OS version now > works in a similar way to the Windows version - telling the OS that the > clipboard contents have changed when a different internal clipboard is > selected. > This fix is a natural continuation of one I made recently - broadcasting > the message claiming the clipboard more often. The reason I didn't do > this originally is that Acorn recommended not to. > I think there has to be some evolution allowed. However it is painful > because of the limited resources in the RISC OS world. > Anyway I'd be interested to hear what Dave Symes makes of the new > version at: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Mr P., you are a gentleman of the first order. Downloaded and had a quick play, and it seems to have sorted the problem. With Choices- Global clipboard ticked ON, the Ovpro multi clipboards copy and paste correctly, and the global clipboard works between other apps and OvPro. Thank you Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:06 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTHU6-1A6GPo-03-8wT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTHU6-1A6GPo-03-8wT; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTHU6-1A6GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTHU6-0007f4-6d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCC7D80B6CC; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08081-08; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A402680B6E5; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD24680B6CC for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08018-01 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C13880B67B for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-207.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.207] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTHTR-000NRM-7K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:05:01 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:04:57 GMT Message-ID: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 442 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Bh30TDA_UhUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vntCjLPj9PfLALzgz28A:9 a=RfExfW1UiCJNBPRIpzYA:7 a=AzFY9EWvwm1U4Z3EV-3LdjcgN30A:4 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] Hi David, I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I don't think it is printer-driver related. Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular file: type=3 error. Any ideas? Shall I forward the file to you? If so, to what e-mail address? -- Cheers Roger If I were you I'd be me To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTNlM-05T000-07-BBj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTNlM-05T000-07-BBj; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:47:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTNlM-05T000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:47:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTNlM-0007CW-Bk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:47:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4ED680B96D; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20589-04; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B2A480B86B; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D673380B878 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20419-08 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A374880B804 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JTNkb-0008FG-4w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:47:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 Message-ID: <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 443 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2Wso3rqfrWsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ESSH9cm2J98evivGfMEA:9 a=A2QG3AUmorXuctbmoMoA:7 a=f8ulpxnaiTJtJDufm-OKfa_khVoA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > Hi David, > I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. > I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, > giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. > It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I > don't think it is printer-driver related. > Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. > I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into > OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular > file: type=3 error. > Any ideas? have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTXzQ-0jCVbs-08-9UB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTXzQ-0jCVbs-08-9UB; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:43:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTXzQ-0jCVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:43:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTXzQ-00076U-Dh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:43:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E61B380B190; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08494-03; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D3380B676; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:42:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C63BE80B190 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08393-05 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9046080ABD9 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-107.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.107] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTXye-0008B1-6V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:42:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:42:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1L7GvlMTHO4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3mBpul9HOuomflvrackA:9 a=saLDFszU0j0ZvLkAqwYA:7 a=nESA6AgCIGQLIv2NPDUL7M9O83wA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: > In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > Roger Darlington wrote: > >> Hi David, > >> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. > >> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. > >> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >> don't think it is printer-driver related. > >> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. > >> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >> file: type=3 error. > >> Any ideas? > > > have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. No, no pictures at all. It is about 6 A4 pages long, and consists of text using only Homerton and Selwyn fonts. > -- Cheers Roger Windfarms on all city buildings before any more in the countryside! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTY8Q-1JqVbs-04-9LB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTY8Q-1JqVbs-04-9LB; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTY8Q-1JqVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTY8P-0007gk-OH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3534180BBEB; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09259-07; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 006C180BB43; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:51:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44AF680BAA7 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09148-04 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C503680B9D1 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080225075420.VUVW19530.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:54:20 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080225075426.PZQM219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:54:26 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:55:26 GMT Message-ID: <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=evCDVUa7xYEA:15 a=yWcNJ_nq8fQA:10 a=psfcdVTxQc6d+vmCcrePOw==:17 a=lsSGvdvqnN8fF1j59AoA:9 a=GD-VvQlxDd319cqoDQnVIuxSZUkA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 445 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CSP14x5Lur4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lsSGvdvqnN8fF1j59AoA:9 a=oDO-vLHvDuSOY3-f7SkA:7 a=GD-VvQlxDd319cqoDQnVIuxSZUkA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message Roger Darlington wrote: > On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: >> In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >> Roger Darlington wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >> >>> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. >> >>> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >>> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. >> >>> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >>> don't think it is printer-driver related. >> >>> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. >> >>> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >>> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >>> file: type=3 error. >> >>> Any ideas? >> >> >> have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. > No, no pictures at all. > It is about 6 A4 pages long, and consists of text using only Homerton > and Selwyn fonts. >> I know it is extreme but export it as a Text file to EasiWriter then return it as saved Text. That may do it. Cheers Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTYqI-3IIVbs-08-8dJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTYqI-3IIVbs-08-8dJ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:37:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTYqI-3IIVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:37:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTYqI-00074r-3a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:37:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8674280BCBE; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12376-10; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5095480BCE6; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3F2980BCBE for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12292-09 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF6080BCA7 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-107.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.107] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTYpb-0008ht-8N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:37:03 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 446 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1L7GvlMTHO4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8dLgbQvE8bvJ9SFtK7YA:9 a=Od7KnydqVB2q3d7WnKYA:7 a=9fRBCN1amuAi2FmIPlZZ4aDfAyEA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > Roger Darlington wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: >>> In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >>> Roger Darlington wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>> >>>> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. >>> >>>> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >>>> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. >>> >>>> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >>>> don't think it is printer-driver related. >>> >>>> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. >>> >>>> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >>>> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >>>> file: type=3 error. >>> >>>> Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. > >> No, no pictures at all. >> It is about 6 A4 pages long, and consists of text using only Homerton >> and Selwyn fonts. > >>> > I know it is extreme but export it as a Text file to EasiWriter then > return it as saved Text. That may do it. > That is extremist in the extreme: I'd lose all the colours, boldness, normal, homerton and selwyn settings. And I suspect that when I put all those settings back, consuming several hours work, it will still give type=3 or =5. I have discovered that in my example submitted, if I delete the first character (its in Selwyn font) then it WILL print (there then being no Selwyn characters in the document). This cannot, however, be the solution, because for the last 5 years I have printed documents like this, using Selwyn font, on my Iyonix without trouble. Why doesn't OvPro now like Selwyn font? It displays the Selwyn font in OvPro document on-screen perfectly well, but wont now print it? Very strange? -- Cheers Roger Lonely pen tops. Where are their pen pals? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTZ9n-0twVbs-02-GqK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTZ9n-0twVbs-02-GqK; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:57:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTZ9n-0twVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:57:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTZ9m-0002HL-Tb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:57:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E92480BC4D; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14132-08; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52BB780BB64; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B33780BD18 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13988-04 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC46980BBDF for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JTZ8z-000081-Pc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:57:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:57:00 GMT Message-ID: <488894764f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.05b6 (MsgServe/3.37b8S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: 54fad108ff07e28b3f9eac8a8b7bec8b X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D-UHuwNgq_YA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_tr66stQDsQJyigI7OYA:9 a=A-bvoHNr_DeQUjU6CGsA:7 a=5AHcoo_Memw3xjxO6YvuqqlKLOMA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> Roger Darlington wrote: > I have discovered that in my example submitted, if I delete the first > character (its in Selwyn font) then it WILL print (there then being no > Selwyn characters in the document). > This cannot, however, be the solution, because for the last 5 years I > have printed documents like this, using Selwyn font, on my Iyonix > without trouble. > Why doesn't OvPro now like Selwyn font? It displays the Selwyn font in > OvPro document on-screen perfectly well, but wont now print it? Just to confirm - I can print Selwyn characters OK using Ovation Pro 2.77 on my Iyonix PC with RISC OS 5.13 -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTZGJ-2bR000-07-Gjo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTZGJ-2bR000-07-Gjo; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:04:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTZGJ-2bR000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:04:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTZGH-0000rS-Mp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:04:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 051EB80BD3F; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14593-07; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17AA80BDD9; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00D4880BD3F for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14440-08 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B55FF80BDD8 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-107.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.107] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTZFY-00092R-8f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:03:52 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:03:45 GMT Message-ID: <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 448 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1L7GvlMTHO4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2ZHdL6EtrI7r7CKCjtYA:9 a=M3PXsVdVp87h_mN40MwA:7 a=b0EiTPMdOB-TnMMem0P0q7-nX8sA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message >> Roger Darlington wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: >>>> In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >>>> Roger Darlington wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>>> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. >>>> >>>>> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >>>>> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. >>>> >>>>> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >>>>> don't think it is printer-driver related. >>>> >>>>> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. >>>> >>>>> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >>>>> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >>>>> file: type=3 error. >>>> >>>>> Any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>> have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. >> >>> No, no pictures at all. >>> It is about 6 A4 pages long, and consists of text using only Homerton >>> and Selwyn fonts. >> >>>> >> I know it is extreme but export it as a Text file to EasiWriter then >> return it as saved Text. That may do it. >> > > That is extremist in the extreme: I'd lose all the colours, boldness, > normal, homerton and selwyn settings. And I suspect that when I put > all those settings back, consuming several hours work, it will still > give type=3 or =5. > > I have discovered that in my example submitted, if I delete the first > character (its in Selwyn font) then it WILL print (there then being no > Selwyn characters in the document). > > This cannot, however, be the solution, because for the last 5 years I > have printed documents like this, using Selwyn font, on my Iyonix > without trouble. > > Why doesn't OvPro now like Selwyn font? It displays the Selwyn font in > OvPro document on-screen perfectly well, but wont now print it? > > Very strange? I've narrowed it down even further: I have discovered that OvPro doesn't like printing Selwyn characters, but only if they are top-bit-set-Selwyn characters. It will print Homerton Top bit set characters. It will print Selwyn characters with top-bit-unset. Hmmm - even stranger. Stranger still, Tech Writer (when printing top-bit-set-Selwyn characters) doesn't crash the whole Iyonix, it just politely says there's an error, and lets you get on with using the computer, which OvPro fails to let you do: you have to re-boot! I think it time to take this elsewhere: Archive-on-Line, as the error doesn't seem to be restricted to OvPro (although OvPro does crash irretrievably, whilst other programs don't). Stranger still: it didn't used to be like this: my Iyonix would happily print top-bit-set-Selwyn characters last year. -- Cheers Roger Yesterday never goes. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTZid-3wyknw-05-GHU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTZid-3wyknw-05-GHU; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:33:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTZid-3wyknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:33:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTZid-0003Ai-9U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:33:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DCFE80BDDF; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17219-01; 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Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:35:40 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080225093431.OKBY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:34:31 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:37:10 GMT Message-ID: <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=evCDVUa7xYEA:15 a=yWcNJ_nq8fQA:10 a=psfcdVTxQc6d+vmCcrePOw==:17 a=-Vug1TXiB6tVnORLS0MA:9 a=y1A9zyIX8a-qDkBJ9c8A:7 a=fdFytVNNRlMg3soGtkxvaxqttJwA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 449 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CSP14x5Lur4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-Vug1TXiB6tVnORLS0MA:9 a=6Gi9K6AC9fmxkGP346gA:7 a=fOVJKhX7OELTKMSSuTj_ZcvBJe4A:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> Roger Darlington wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008, Roger Darlington wrote: >> On 25 Feb 2008, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >>> In message >>> Roger Darlington wrote: >>> >>>> On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: >>>>> In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >>>>> Roger Darlington wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>>> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. >>>>> >>>>>> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >>>>>> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. >>>>> >>>>>> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >>>>>> don't think it is printer-driver related. >>>>> >>>>>> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. >>>>> >>>>>> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >>>>>> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >>>>>> file: type=3 error. >>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. >>> >>>> No, no pictures at all. >>>> It is about 6 A4 pages long, and consists of text using only Homerton >>>> and Selwyn fonts. >>> snip >> >> I have discovered that in my example submitted, if I delete the first >> character (its in Selwyn font) then it WILL print (there then being no >> Selwyn characters in the document). >> >> This cannot, however, be the solution, because for the last 5 years I >> have printed documents like this, using Selwyn font, on my Iyonix >> without trouble. >> >> Why doesn't OvPro now like Selwyn font? It displays the Selwyn font in >> OvPro document on-screen perfectly well, but wont now print it? >> >> Very strange? > I've narrowed it down even further: I have discovered that OvPro > doesn't like printing Selwyn characters, but only if they are > top-bit-set-Selwyn characters. > It will print Homerton Top bit set characters. It will print Selwyn > characters with top-bit-unset. > Hmmm - even stranger. > Stranger still, Tech Writer (when printing top-bit-set-Selwyn > characters) doesn't crash the whole Iyonix, it just politely says > there's an error, and lets you get on with using the computer, which > OvPro fails to let you do: you have to re-boot! > I think it time to take this elsewhere: Archive-on-Line, as the error > doesn't seem to be restricted to OvPro (although OvPro does crash > irretrievably, whilst other programs don't). > Stranger still: it didn't used to be like this: my Iyonix would > happily print top-bit-set-Selwyn characters last year. I have tired using Selwyn on my Iyonix 5.13, Printers 1.72, Ovation 2.77 using a laser and it prints fine so even stranger, Hope you crack it. Oh I had a thought, as we have the same set up email me the document and I will see if it will print on my set up, Cheers Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTa7s-0H7Vbs-06-FsF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTa7s-0H7Vbs-06-FsF; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:00:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTa7s-0H7Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:00:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTa7q-0003zx-2o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:00:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81D0F80BA61; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21490-02; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5609780B931; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F89D80BA61 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21386-03 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ABCB80BA10 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Path: TTSMTP Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([78.150.199.214]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2008 09:59:17 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:02:45 GMT Message-ID: <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 450 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OjrNL1D3Tk4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Srz7gE39BDwnkPQqb9UA:9 a=v0IPX7onwgB_ohUil0gA:7 a=jgdGegIOEiZIPgTizM14BdOOlk0A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> > Roger Darlington wrote: [snip] >>> >> I've narrowed it down even further: I have discovered that OvPro >> doesn't like printing Selwyn characters, but only if they are >> top-bit-set-Selwyn characters. >> It will print Homerton Top bit set characters. It will print Selwyn >> characters with top-bit-unset. [snip] > I have tired using Selwyn on my Iyonix 5.13, Printers 1.72, Ovation > 2.77 using a laser and it prints fine so even stranger, [snip] Works OK for me here too; Selwyn characters up to char 254; OPro 2.77 (and latest mods (277h); Printers 1.72; HP LJ1022 using HP LJ6 driver. One thing does occur to me: have you by any chance installed the ROOL Printer upgrades into !Printers? I did, in order to get printing from Netsurf. It worked for Netsurf, but gave other strange problems when printing from EasiWriter and (I think) OvPro, so I reverted to the original !Printers 1.72 and have had no problems since. Regards Roger -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 11:54:52 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTbnG-0Foknw-02-ECr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:54:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTbnG-0Foknw-02-ECr; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:46:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTbnG-0Foknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:46:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTbnF-00015p-T8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:46:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51ADD80BA8B; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29054-10; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 269FA80BBE3; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E986180BA8B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28922-07 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8CE080BAA5 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-230.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.230] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTbmX-000Bd0-8W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:46:05 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:28:37 GMT Message-ID: <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> In-Reply-To: <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 451 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QFcYs_CjE0EA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=O2yveD792FeNRoPZzfsA:9 a=6KEv2ckbSLIg-UqcMnIA:7 a=R6BthOYwWwY5hGy9swIw9l2_ytMA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008, Roger Foden wrote: > > [snip] > One thing does occur to me: have you by any chance installed the ROOL > Printer upgrades into !Printers? I did, in order to get printing from > Netsurf. It worked for Netsurf, but gave other strange problems when > printing from EasiWriter and (I think) OvPro, so I reverted to the > original !Printers 1.72 and have had no problems since. > That is possible. But my Printers still says 1.72, and an error occurs when I try to print from Netsurf, so maybe not?? It's still possible an odd ROOL printer module is lurking somewhere though... I wonder what Printers 1.72 is supposed to contain? -- Cheers Roger If I were you I'd be me To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 12:38:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTcPt-2eBGPo-07-DaE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:38:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTcPt-2eBGPo-07-DaE; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:26:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTcPt-2eBGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:26:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTcPs-0004Zn-Jm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:26:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E96C280BDDD; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00902-09; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B636B80BDF0; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFD7280BDDD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00771-10 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC09E80BC01 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JTcPC-0005dp-IK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:26:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:24:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 452 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-MRk_5nSR-IA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hgr3kRvzxOeHR7ZDdcwA:9 a=QLWUhmYlXbJH7-L0-GIA:7 a=q5J8GmhkbWp5jU0YpGvgUgiVjm8A:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington writes I would be interested to know what error Techwriter gives? Type 3 errors roughly mean that the program has corrupted itself or is executing something which is not code. Type 5 errors are divide by zero. I've tried the example document that Roger posted to the list - to tell the truth, the first attempt was to Sprinter and it completely corrupted the machine "File Core in Use", that was after an error from the Printer Manager (nb not OPro). Subsequent attempts to print worked fine. I've no idea if this first event was due to the document or something else. It is quite conceivable that OP should be reporting an error and by not doing so it crashes. Tell me what the error is and I can work out where it comes from. The document posted to the list was intercepted, since it may be of interest and is only 17K long, I'll repost it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 12:38:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTcQh-45O000-05-DZQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:38:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTcQh-45O000-05-DZQ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:27:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTcQh-45O000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:27:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTcQb-0002Js-4n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:27:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6810C80BE5E; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01077-04; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30BF480BE26; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:26:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8CCF80BC4A for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10096-04 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75C1780BC33 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-107.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.107] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTYLH-0008NS-9S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:05:44 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:05:37 GMT Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="134174643--1846847173--631625661" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 453 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1L7GvlMTHO4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=3mBpul9HOuomflvrackA:9 a=gKA-RzTJDdrG9fjXejAA:7 a=bSb4W9ARs6vCpd11PA7xPgKcUTYA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=Zr_S0aOQx916EdDn6x4A:9 a=QHwEpF_is4tj_8LcxpsBwxUJTg0A:4 a=T81ihCft0O8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support. 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Alternatively, ask the sender of this message to resend it in a different format. --134174643--1846847173--631625661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: > In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > Roger Darlington wrote: > >> Hi David, > >> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. > >> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. > >> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >> don't think it is printer-driver related. > >> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. > >> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >> file: type=3 error. > >> Any ideas? > > > have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. > Apart from having no pictures at all, Another thing is that the error message varies between type=3 and type=5 depending upon its' own whim. I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. 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zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1PCb4Yc024390 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:37:04 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:37:10 GMT Message-ID: <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 454 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lkqbAInAAd76gdu6zWIA:9 a=TuYogfk67Bjkdmp59CEA:7 a=l3IVbnuOHkfC8gNoOKwep3QAVT0A:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: [snip] > I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just > one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. > Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets > through, or not, is a different matter... Type 5 error here (needing reset button) with Roger's posted document, trying to print via PrintPDF. RISC OS 5.13, Printers 1.73 (19-Oct-07). With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 12:53:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTcpn-4GaVbs-03-DAK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:53:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTcpn-4GaVbs-03-DAK; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:53:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTcpn-4GaVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:53:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTcpn-0000EH-0H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:53:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DC5A80BC37; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03365-03; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3864480BE19; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C45880BC37 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03191-02 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CE1580BD2C for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1PCqZlK024590 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:52:35 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:52:39 GMT Message-ID: <431baa764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xpkhSK-gcfwyyeKR7ZMA:9 a=Qr-zMQeWQuORaanyGU0A:7 a=EyKTYg9O6tX37Sklkf5bia-P9KkA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: > [snip] >> I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just >> one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. >> Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets >> through, or not, is a different matter... > Type 5 error here (needing reset button) with Roger's posted document, > trying to print via PrintPDF. RISC OS 5.13, Printers 1.73 (19-Oct-07). Done some more fiddling with Roger's file, all trying to print to PrintPDF, and the reset button has been well exercised! Changing the first character to Trinity prints OK. Any other font I've tried (deliberately avoiding the ROM fonts) gives either the unrecoverable Type 5 or a machine lock-up without an error message. >From memory, I tried Sydney, Frederick and Paladin, and maybe another one that I've forgotten. The significance of this, of course, eludes me, but may give a pointer to someone wiser. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 13:08:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTcyk-2Ac000-07-D1N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:08:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTcyk-2Ac000-07-D1N; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTcyk-2Ac000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTcyk-0003eY-6Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B50B80BDB6; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04234-08; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6103980BF09; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B564080BE5B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04153-07 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7399E80BC34 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JTcy2-0008DZ-P9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:02:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 Message-ID: <4f76aae9c9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 71fff4b321ad5eacf8021c15cd957094 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 456 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fcnnXDnJtPcA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h9H0Tgog4r_pt6tHXKYA:9 a=cjwVmYnjKVg1wPRtiZcA:7 a=1ODukdMe4jexYLIcPxylbA1Se-4A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] I downloaded the document, loaded into Opro (2.77, 17 Feb 2008), and printed via PrintPDF. No problem. Tried a second time with postscript laser printer. Again it printed fine. I am using Printers 1.72 (5 Nov 2004). Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 13:23:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTd7E-1SdVbs-02-Cst.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:23:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTd7E-1SdVbs-02-Cst; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:11:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTd7E-1SdVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:11:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTd7E-0007jm-GT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:11:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E609480B2ED; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05437-03; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCE5A80B926; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C478580B2ED for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05258-08 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id DBFD180B63D for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 53409 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2008 13:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2008 13:10:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TV4BIvoVM1m4VoeAk13YiAhl0lJGOKJyjD1ZWWmvcd3dDpYwRuuptrvi36xMx9OyPBjkDkQVHw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47C2BE4D.9030200@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:10:37 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 References: <4f76aae9c9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4f76aae9c9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 457 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9ewsnxk1oSgA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=j1h7Hkrib2s5JhGC41gA:9 a=ih_4crbD3JVwrmezKyEA:7 a=oBlwgFPaaBFMxmxuNSJ24cDd6b0A:4 a=C35D7iIojSgA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] Chris Johnson wrote: > I downloaded the document, loaded into Opro (2.77, 17 Feb 2008), and > printed via PrintPDF. No problem. Tried a second time with postscript > laser printer. Again it printed fine. > > I am using Printers 1.72 (5 Nov 2004). No problem here, either ... but I'm using VRPC-AdjustSA and Printers+ 1.91a -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 13:23:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTdEy-3Kh000-07-Cl9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:23:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTdEy-3Kh000-07-Cl9; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:19:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTdEy-3Kh000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:19:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTdEt-0007MD-Fs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C682D80BD9F; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06201-07; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 903B880BDF3; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:18:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C6F880BD9F for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06074-01 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8BB080BBC7 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JTdE1-0001yV-Kz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:18:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:17:54 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: a0204d3b4a7889aa65ab418732099eed X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 458 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RXqoWjcY5SsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YQapeRz7gM0htaARS9MA:9 a=3UByMCwr5mSq6wW5RAsA:7 a=yaUkoCpjbQZcgYFjBYDGKMZj1vYA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message of 25 Feb, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: > > In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > > Roger Darlington wrote: > >=20 > >> Hi David, > >=20 > >> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. > >=20 > >> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, > >> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3D3'. > >=20 > >> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I > >> don't think it is printer-driver related. > >=20 > >> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it= . > >=20 > >> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into > >> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particula= r > >> file: type=3D3 error. > >=20 > >> Any ideas? > >=20 > >=20 > > have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. > >=20 > Apart from having no pictures at all, Another thing is that the error=20 > message varies between type=3D3 and type=3D5 depending upon its' own wh= im. >=20 > I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just=20 > one line, and it still crashes with a type=3D3,or=3D5. >=20 > Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets=20 > through, or not, is a different matter... Prints OK here both with PrintPDF and to a Postscript printer. No crash. Iyonix 5.13, OPro 2.77.=20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 14:23:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTe10-1Gn000-08-Bz7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:23:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTe10-1Gn000-08-Bz7; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTe10-1Gn000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTe10-0006kC-B9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDC7980C266; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11549-03; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B283A80C2AE; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FC9580C267 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11102-10 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 153C980C257 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JTe03-000Owk-5N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:08:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 Message-ID: <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 459 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2Wso3rqfrWsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YQapeRz7gM0htaARS9MA:9 a=afhwurAIjEz3GM1JUMMA:7 a=ZdEDo-Cfx6QFfK1ghQoWi9Np6pAA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: > > In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > > Roger Darlington wrote: > > > >> Hi David, > > > >> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. > > > >> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, > >> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. > > > >> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I > >> don't think it is printer-driver related. > > > >> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. > > > >> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into > >> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular > >> file: type=3 error. > > > >> Any ideas? > > > > > > have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. > > > Apart from having no pictures at all, Another thing is that the error > message varies between type=3 and type=5 depending upon its' own whim. > I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just > one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. > Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets > through, or not, is a different matter... No problem printing here. Iyonix RO 5.11, OvPro 2.77, Printers 1.72 The only difference seems to be the version of RISC OS5 -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 14:38:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTeG1-2HmVbs-06-Bk6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:38:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTeG1-2HmVbs-06-Bk6; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:24:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTeG1-2HmVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:24:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTeFz-0007JW-Jp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:24:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2A5880C2A1; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13252-06; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C81D580C29E; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:23:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8097180C2A6 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13064-08 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C1DD80C03E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1JTeFD-0006yq-TD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:23:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:23:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 Message-ID: <4f76b263dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 1e870009176697edbae791da51e09ecc X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WCiqoCa7t14A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=imjqm0p15FzKUk9gi0oA:9 a=v4A1Uj0vkDJdLmMpJkAA:7 a=-9CWNbWNg299cA1UPuiXA0zlOd8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In article <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > The only difference seems to be the version of RISC OS5 Well, I am using 5.13, the same as Roger, and there were no problems. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 15:23:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTezm-1R3knw-04-B0L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:23:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTezm-1R3knw-04-B0L; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:11:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTezm-1R3knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:11:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTezh-0004gS-6h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:11:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B649280A5A7; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18746-06; 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25 Feb 2008 15:10:16 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Marshall X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <6150b6764f.Alan@which.net> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 461 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.marshall@which.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Gpgx_Rku_OUA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WF7vXG9BUlAVIDfm-uoA:9 a=cQWljG0TWLK0UIPtqH0A:7 a=KnY4pSeYT8rgs4UUcW2W2It1aJcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <4f76b13ccfcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > No problem printing here. > Iyonix RO 5.11, OvPro 2.77, Printers 1.72 > The only difference seems to be the version of RISC OS5 No problems with RISC OS 5.13 AND !Printers 1.72. -- Alan Marshall To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 15:23:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTf2V-1KVGPo-06-Axc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:13:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:12:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD3B980B862 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18826-10 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29BF880C012 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-230.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.230] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTf0P-000FDX-8T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:12:37 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:12:22 GMT Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QFcYs_CjE0EA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yKMT4WOvYa8Du7Q2LKcA:9 a=D9CISZcdsYudpwaiJL4A:7 a=0L7qdss0MygyCo54OoynCdV8KBoA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008, David Pilling wrote: > In message <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington > writes > > I would be interested to know what error Techwriter gives? > > Type 3 errors roughly mean that the program has corrupted itself or is > executing something which is not code. Type 5 errors are divide by zero. > > I've tried the example document that Roger posted to the list - to tell > the truth, the first attempt was to Sprinter and it completely corrupted > the machine "File Core in Use", that was after an error from the Printer > Manager (nb not OPro). > > Subsequent attempts to print worked fine. I've no idea if this first > event was due to the document or something else. > > It is quite conceivable that OP should be reporting an error and by not > doing so it crashes. Tell me what the error is and I can work out where > it comes from. It wasn't Tech Writer, but the copy of Writer+ that comes free with the Iyonix. I'm not sure the error message reveals a lot. It is: When trying to print top-bit-set-Selwyn characters on Writer+, then Writer+ gives: Message from Writer+: Message from Print Driver :Abort on Data Transfer' Then on trying to print it again so I could write down the hex code, it gave a different error message: Message from Writer: Message from Print Driver: PDumperCX2 called with escape disabled. When doing the same on OvPro, it now reports (without causing a type=3 or type=5, possibly because I tried it on Writer+ before trying it on OvPro): Message from OvPro: Message from Print Driver: PDumperCX2 called with escape disabled. i.e. the same second message as reported by Writer+ [I don't know why my escape is disabled, or indeed how to enable it if it is indeed disabled]. > > The document posted to the list was intercepted, since it may be of > interest and is only 17K long, I'll repost it. > > > -- Cheers Roger Visit Ellesmere Port Boat Museum To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 15:23:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTf6K-1i6knw-08-Atn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:23:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTf6K-1i6knw-08-Atn; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:18:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTf6K-1i6knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:18:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTf6B-00038i-VE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:18:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DED980C137; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19536-04; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD40780BEC5; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BACE780C030 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19222-05 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D41B280C1B9 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-230.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.230] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTf4C-000FMi-7B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:16:32 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:16:21 GMT Message-ID: <3943b7764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <431baa764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <431baa764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 463 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QFcYs_CjE0EA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=o2A1hBCZcXmbMerXraoA:9 a=ATxVccQdXHf-S7EZu-UA:7 a=d69YiM7b8R0fsl82UTEUethqz6AA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: > >> On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: > >> [snip] > >>> I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just >>> one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. > >>> Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets >>> through, or not, is a different matter... > >> Type 5 error here (needing reset button) with Roger's posted document, >> trying to print via PrintPDF. RISC OS 5.13, Printers 1.73 (19-Oct-07). > > Done some more fiddling with Roger's file, all trying to print to > PrintPDF, and the reset button has been well exercised! > > Changing the first character to Trinity prints OK. Any other font I've > tried (deliberately avoiding the ROM fonts) gives either the > unrecoverable Type 5 or a machine lock-up without an error message. > From memory, I tried Sydney, Frederick and Paladin, and maybe another > one that I've forgotten. > > The significance of this, of course, eludes me, but may give a pointer > to someone wiser. > Sorry to hear your computer too is so afflicted. At least you have confirmed I'm not going insane :-)) -- Cheers Roger Off-road doesn't mean on-pavement. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 15:38:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTfFd-2Ogknw-08-AkU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:38:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTfFd-2Ogknw-08-AkU; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTfFd-2Ogknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTfFb-0004ps-SF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:28:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53A2380C178; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21035-02; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2FE280BF50; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B98E80C102 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20830-09 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6A2E80C175 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1PFRIck027037 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:27:19 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:27:29 GMT Message-ID: <2148b8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <431baa764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3943b7764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <3943b7764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 464 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-FOavq3OcyTtWJ8GfQEA:9 a=mN7ePtesPByroqr5TTAA:7 a=M_uimj8nOmKeV30sj2IMCaJveDgA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008, Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 25 Feb 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: >> >>> On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: >> >>> [snip] >> >>>> I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just >>>> one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. >> >>>> Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets >>>> through, or not, is a different matter... >> >>> Type 5 error here (needing reset button) with Roger's posted document, >>> trying to print via PrintPDF. RISC OS 5.13, Printers 1.73 (19-Oct-07). >> >> Done some more fiddling with Roger's file, all trying to print to >> PrintPDF, and the reset button has been well exercised! >> >> Changing the first character to Trinity prints OK. Any other font I've >> tried (deliberately avoiding the ROM fonts) gives either the >> unrecoverable Type 5 or a machine lock-up without an error message. >> From memory, I tried Sydney, Frederick and Paladin, and maybe another >> one that I've forgotten. >> >> The significance of this, of course, eludes me, but may give a pointer >> to someone wiser. >> > Sorry to hear your computer too is so afflicted. > At least you have confirmed I'm not going insane :-)) Is there a possibility that some other app that we both use, and which others don't, could be the real culprit? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 16:08:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTfpL-0MeVbs-08-AAm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:08:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTfpL-0MeVbs-08-AAm; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:05:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTfpL-0MeVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:05:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTfpI-0006OD-5g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:05:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C29D80C67A; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26834-01; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42AD080C5C7; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFDB580C5F1 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26481-09 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D284C80C5CC for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:10 -0500 (EST) X-Path: TTSMTP Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([78.150.199.214]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2008 16:03:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:01:54 GMT Message-ID: <8bf0b5764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OjrNL1D3Tk4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MBr4qZL0fVGxvKMbbScA:9 a=6u88dSVBeUSbVMZbaaIA:7 a=C4QdWPojs2l54mmZBCvZzNg1HY0A:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> Roger Darlington wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008, Roger Foden wrote: >>=20 >> [snip] >> One thing does occur to me: have you by any chance installed the ROOL >> Printer upgrades into !Printers? I did, in order to get printing from >> Netsurf. It worked for Netsurf, but gave other strange problems when >> printing from EasiWriter and (I think) OvPro, so I reverted to the >> original !Printers 1.72 and have had no problems since. >>=20 > That is possible. > But my Printers still says 1.72, and an error occurs when I try to > print from Netsurf, so maybe not?? > It's still possible an odd ROOL printer module is lurking somewhere > though... > I wonder what Printers 1.72 is supposed to contain? I downloaded your document and it prints without problems: Iyonix RISC OS 5.13; !Printers 1.72; HPLJ1022 HPLJ6 driver. However, when I removed the 'proper' !Printers 1.72 and substituted=20 the 'ROOL upgraded' !Printers (which still appears as 1.72 with the=20 same date of Nov-04) it would not print; OPro had a type 5 and the=20 machine required a full reset to recover. In the archive all-bin--2007-11-15/zip ROOL provided modules and=20 PDumpers to enable RISC OS 5 to print from Netsurf. These are dated=20 13=A0Nov 2007. Unfortunately they seem to interfere with other functions = of Printers 1.72. It (supposedly) did not affect PostScript printing(?). Roger F --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 16:08:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTfpZ-0vPVbs-03-AAY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:08:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTfpZ-0vPVbs-03-AAY; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:05:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTfpZ-0vPVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:05:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTfpV-00027G-UW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:05:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FC9F80C683; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26837-02; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1032680C671; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C52880C5FC for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26552-04 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCCDF80C592 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:04:15 -0500 (EST) X-Path: TTSMTP Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([78.150.199.214]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2008 16:03:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:14:07 GMT Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OjrNL1D3Tk4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oCRif_efai7AV7f0kbMA:9 a=SZQjIECAqxW90yLSUoMA:7 a=yOhFmE_iwkuexDHoDcT0xrU-hMUA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: > [snip] >> I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just >> one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. >> Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets >> through, or not, is a different matter... > Type 5 error here (needing reset button) with Roger's posted document, > trying to print via PrintPDF. RISC OS 5.13, Printers 1.73 (19-Oct-07). > With best wishes, > Peter. !Printers 1.73 ??? I vaguely remember from posts long gone (and maybe on a different forum) there was a discussion about the ROOL 'upgrade' for !Printers - new PDumpers and Modules - which enabled it to print Netsurf pages on RISC OS 5. Peter Young(?) did the upgrade and achieved !Printers 1.73 (even though the rest of us remained on 1.72). If you, Peter, have the ROOL modified !Printers that could account for your (and Roger D's) problem with his document. Can you go back to the original !Printers (I assume you've put it somewhere safe) and then print the document? See my other post: changing to the modified !Printers gave error when trying to print Roger D's document. Roger F -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 16:38:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTgAh-2irGPo-07-9pQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:38:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTgAh-2irGPo-07-9pQ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:27:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTgAh-2irGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:27:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgAh-0005vk-Dy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:27:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB40080C799; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30640-05; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8624B80C84C; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85C5680C799 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30500-07 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BA1480C7D1 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080225162906.PZPT19530.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:29:06 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080225163055.KDKA26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:30:55 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:24:01 GMT Message-ID: <2e75bd764f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=evCDVUa7xYEA:15 a=yWcNJ_nq8fQA:10 a=psfcdVTxQc6d+vmCcrePOw==:17 a=lsSGvdvqnN8fF1j59AoA:9 a=fAGaKchMD5WpmhFjAfYA:7 a=v-STqjUHH5UFnMH03XVCEp7NT2oA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 467 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CSP14x5Lur4A:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lsSGvdvqnN8fF1j59AoA:9 a=duOvqQwlknLVc3RZqI0A:7 a=X9rM1A-VxILrrd-mm-w9BY7II5MA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message Roger Darlington wrote: > On 24 Feb 2008, charles wrote: >> In article <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >> Roger Darlington wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >> >>> I have Iyonix, RO 5.13, Ov Pro 2.77, Printers 1.72. >> >>> I have an Ov Pro file, mae with OvPro 2.77, which it will not print, >>> giving an error 'Ov Pro has suffered an internal error, type=3'. >> >>> It does this if I try printing to PoScript, or my Canon Inkjet, so I >>> don't think it is printer-driver related. >> >>> Strangely enough, OvPro will print all the other files I have fed it. >> >>> I have tried saving it out as a DDL file and re-loading it back into >>> OvPro (after a re-boot) but it's always the same with this particular >>> file: type=3 error. >> >>> Any ideas? >> >> >> have you a very large picture in it? If so try proxying it. >> > Apart from having no pictures at all, Another thing is that the error > message varies between type=3 and type=5 depending upon its' own whim. > I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just > one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. > Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets > through, or not, is a different matter... Just to say I have printed it off without a problem except to tick the Fit box. Cheers Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 16:53:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTgNI-3OGVbs-03-9cp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:53:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTgNI-3OGVbs-03-9cp; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:40:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTgNI-3OGVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:40:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgNC-0004GS-Gt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:40:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E699080AFA6; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00372-06; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B80AD80ADC8; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA90580CA00 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32511-05 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E03980C9F3 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:39:17 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 13160009/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPh9wkfDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVal7 X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2008 16:39:16 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:39:22 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 468 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=z7bnnm71L1NrtJv362oA:9 a=K4eNhXNt5W5bsAEbMw4A:7 a=hDLDypBqWkn_9mjNq_HsxzjbluwA:4 a=birkmQ2h4YEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 16:54:16 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTgVT-1Fl000-07-9Ue.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:54:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTgVT-1Fl000-07-9Ue; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:48:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTgVT-1Fl000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:48:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgVH-0001sR-PO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:48:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECAE180C46E; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02394-08; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF08280C5A6; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:47:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B35880C46E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02119-05 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6B1C80C3FC for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF8211C00082 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:47:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from rachael.belkin (user-5af2ad78.tcl126.dsl.pol.co.uk [90.242.173.120]) by mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 916001C00081 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:47:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20080225164739595.916001C00081@mwinf3424.me.freeserve.com From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:47:39 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200802251647.39174.freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 469 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gnEDzCr6IbIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bkZELO161yp9kqtiGxwA:9 a=_ZvuIfqippYPZnkhwvcA:7 a=KotFRLfRGUQT8g_Ab8dgmZNPqVIA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On Monday 25 February 2008 16:39:22 Ian Wolfe wrote: > Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting > a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. Wouldn't it be better to convert it to a Sprite instead? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 17:08:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTgf2-1Yiknw-05-9L5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:08:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTgf2-1Yiknw-05-9L5; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:58:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTgf2-1Yiknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:58:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgey-0001ii-WE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:58:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9443E80CAC6; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04740-09; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 296D280CB93; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:57:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 223CD80CB29 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04575-03 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.newtelsurf.com (www.newtelsurf.com [213.133.203.50]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34AAB80CADD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([81.20.180.135]) by mail.newtelsurf.com (Merak 7.6.4) with ESMTP id EDA74831 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:57:21 -0000 Message-Id: <72CF5082-593E-47A0-A481-B60B58153B4B@talibard.com> From: Michael Talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:57:20 +0000 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N8kvFCvj_JYA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C82E0-hG4yka9HAHotwA:9 a=2EdkD3Z9blsEvW0hzHkA:7 a=s1-tR4nrh6kSCHHp9a8o0_63FXgA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008, at 16:39, Ian Wolfe wrote: > Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting > a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. > > -- > Ian Wolfe. > Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. > Blessed are the peacemakers. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling Use !ChangeFSI To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 17:08:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTghB-4DlVbs-08-9Iw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:08:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTghB-4DlVbs-08-9Iw; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:00:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTghB-4DlVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:00:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgh8-0002sn-D4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:00:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC42C80CB83; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05324-08; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B890F80CB31; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8520A80CB83 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05185-03-12 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0334280CB8D for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JTgfa-0005if-OV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:59:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:01:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF Message-ID: <4f76c0e26fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 471 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bZz0iKL0iIoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PO0Ce-2U-_Tz1Jbxz8kA:9 a=z4olqO3x9Z9NvRpTz0wA:7 a=JMWBh9LP5TeAiicEoP6DyetlYq0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In article , Ian Wolfe wrote: > Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting > a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. DPSS (once known as Imagemaster) should cope. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 17:23:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTgrP-0S4GPo-04-98i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:23:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTgrP-0S4GPo-04-98i; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:11:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTgrP-0S4GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:11:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgrL-0003E6-6N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:11:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7252980B802; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07342-09; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BE5D80C235; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:10:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1565C80B802 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07230-06 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79E4280C0E5 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1PH9WpG028712 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:09:33 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:47:21 GMT Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <8bf0b5764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> In-Reply-To: <8bf0b5764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CW_PjEcagLumPmTzkFwA:9 a=PUEnnYuSW_ePl8n1LvEA:7 a=d_BZqM1K6rdw8qRrTl3bhAKTfpQA:4 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Foden wrote: [snip] > In the archive all-bin--2007-11-15/zip ROOL provided modules and > PDumpers to enable RISC OS 5 to print from Netsurf. These are dated > 13=A0Nov 2007. Unfortunately they seem to interfere with other function= s > of Printers 1.72. > It (supposedly) did not affect PostScript printing(?). The PostScript problem, as I recall it, was that the PostScript=20 drivers in Printers 1.7* couldn't cope with Unicode fonts, and so=20 wouldn't print from NetSurf. Mind you, I write whereof I understand not :-( With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 17:23:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTgyl-3CB000-07-91M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:23:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTgyl-3CB000-07-91M; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:19:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTgyl-3CB000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:19:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTgyk-0003im-VB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:19:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DC3580C7A3; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08631-08; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2815C80C780; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:18:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C414280C7A3 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08495-03 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A212C80BE81 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1PHI0RP028820 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:18:01 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:18:12 GMT Message-ID: References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 473 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=91PfGynyBWy5mrgeSwUA:9 a=wf4_EBj-Yquz1rKUbj4A:7 a=7rMUdrInuvE5gUFaiesPYcyeqC4A:4 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Foden wrote: > In message <51b0a8764f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 25 Feb 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: >> [snip] >>> I have even reduced the 56 page homerton/selwyn font document to just >>> one line, and it still crashes with a type=3,or=5. >>> Since it is now so small, I have attached it, but whether it gets >>> through, or not, is a different matter... >> Type 5 error here (needing reset button) with Roger's posted document, >> trying to print via PrintPDF. RISC OS 5.13, Printers 1.73 (19-Oct-07). >> With best wishes, >> Peter. > !Printers 1.73 ??? > I vaguely remember from posts long gone (and maybe on a different > forum) there was a discussion about the ROOL 'upgrade' for !Printers - > new PDumpers and Modules - which enabled it to print Netsurf pages on > RISC OS 5. Peter Young(?) did the upgrade and achieved !Printers 1.73 > (even though the rest of us remained on 1.72). > If you, Peter, have the ROOL modified !Printers that could account for > your (and Roger D's) problem with his document. > Can you go back to the original !Printers (I assume you've put it > somewhere safe) and then print the document? OK, done some experimenting, and the further I go, the less I understand (slight dent appearing in middle of forehead!). First, curses, I hadn't, it seems, kept a copy of the original !Printers; I'm usually obsessional about doing this sort of thing, but I must have slipped up here. However, I do have the disc image CD which came with this Iyo, so I copied !Printers from this, and re-booted. It says it's 1.72 (is this correct? I thought 1.72 was an upgrade.) and it prints Roger's file quite correctly to PrintPDF. I'm now thoroughly confused about version numbers, and I have no idea if this is a pointer to a solution to Roger D's problem. Explanations at a reading age of about ten, please! :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 20:53:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTkE4-2j1Vbs-01-EIZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:53:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTkE4-2j1Vbs-01-EIZ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:47:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTkE4-2j1Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:47:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTkDz-0003yG-VV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:47:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E049C80B887; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10119-09-2; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B31C180CE19; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8797680B887 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09993-09 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF8D480B92C for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JTkBG-000Pow-K2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:44:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:41:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 474 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=-dkUHo7_HKuZrsf8cb8A:7 a=i5xzdbR_TDfmSFJjAiwqOERzG5gA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message , Ian Wolfe writes >Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting >a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. On RISC OS, if you install TransFSI which comes with OP then that should handle GIFs transparently - i.e. just drag and drop GIF into OP frame. On Windows there is a filter supplied that does the same job. I'd say converting to JPEG is not a good idea - because GIFs have 8 bits per pixel or less of colour information whilst JPEGs have 24 the image might well take up more space as JPEG, and there is the distinct possibility of it looking worse. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 25 21:38:57 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTkza-33x000-05-DX3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:38:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTkza-33x000-05-DX3; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:36:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTkza-33x000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:36:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTkza-0003XW-7l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:36:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9970F80D981; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19405-08; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F7B780D96A; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:35:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8555B80D972 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19193-04 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ABF380D964 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JTkyu-0009fy-KL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:35:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:33:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 475 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=icPICl6yfnyhXoMhO_gA:9 a=v8pigY2RiFpGagi1jIQA:7 a=B2KyOK74ig-dP_Iy64Ht-tw4MPMA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.20.9/1294] In message , Roger Darlington writes >On 25 Feb 2008, David Pilling wrote: >> I've tried the example document that Roger posted to the list - to tell >> the truth, the first attempt was to Sprinter and it completely corrupted >> the machine "File Core in Use", that was after an error from the Printer >> Manager (nb not OPro). I should have said, I was using an Iyonix - RISC OS 5.06 and Printers 1.67 (shockingly old). >Message from Print Driver :Abort on Data Transfer' Interesting. Locates the problem outside OP and in the printer driver. The errors you report have a bit of the flavour of the errors I got. Print system behaving in a strange way. I've since power cycled the machine and the problem has not repeated - in other words it may depend on the random contents of memory. Thank you to the people who have tried the document and reported back above. I wonder if there's been any progress with the problem on Archive Online - in other words I don't have a clue. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 12:02:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTuTa-2jkVbs-08-CZZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:02:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTuTa-2jkVbs-08-CZZ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTuTa-2jkVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTuT6-0005jA-Np for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A50CF80D067 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31269-01 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78AFF80CD68 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02FB880BFD4 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31107-10 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4123780C3A1 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-106.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.106] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTuRR-0002ws-9P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:41:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro & Internal Error Type=3 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:41:24 GMT Message-ID: <267211774f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <88e32c764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <4f7651ea66charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <43e58e764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7eb392764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <582695764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <613598764f.alan@ntlworld.com> <528d9a764f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> <9669a2764f.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 476 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9pXIJVFqZksA:15 a=I1x97ctQ8LMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NmZJnPcPF3O3mnbPCFoA:9 a=GCdkS24I6LhcPDXgrtAA:7 a=MFYlbWzVQPxM5LjRl4atAiQtNFgA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] On 25 Feb 2008, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Darlington > writes >>On 25 Feb 2008, David Pilling wrote: >>> I've tried the example document that Roger posted to the list - to tell >>> the truth, the first attempt was to Sprinter and it completely corrupted >>> the machine "File Core in Use", that was after an error from the Printer >>> Manager (nb not OPro). > > I should have said, I was using an Iyonix - RISC OS 5.06 and Printers > 1.67 (shockingly old). > >>Message from Print Driver :Abort on Data Transfer' > > Interesting. Locates the problem outside OP and in the printer driver. > > The errors you report have a bit of the flavour of the errors I got. > Print system behaving in a strange way. > > I've since power cycled the machine and the problem has not repeated - > in other words it may depend on the random contents of memory. > > Thank you to the people who have tried the document and reported back > above. > > I wonder if there's been any progress with the problem on Archive Online > - in other words I don't have a clue. With the help of Roger Foden, who provided the vital cure, the problem has been resolved. The problem turned out to be that no top-bit-set-characters could be printed, but instead issued error messages. It was caused by misbehaving errant ROOL printer modules that I must at sometime have put in my !Printers application in the mistaken belief that I was upgrading !Printers. I hadn't noticed then since it only applies to the printing of top-bit-set characters, which I must not have tried when I 'upgraded' !Printers using the ROOL modules. Once having replaced the errant modules and PDumper files with Castles supplied ones, everything went back to normal :-)) ['normal' meaning Netsurf pages still wont print on an Iyonix, which is what the ROOL modules were supposed to resolve, but didn't anyway...]. That doesn't mean they never will; here's hoping that ROOL are able to design modules that will resolve both problems at once :-) Many thanks to Roger Foden, and all others who helped. -- Cheers Roger Remember: walls have ears. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Tue Feb 26 12:02:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTwnN-3e2knw-01-AFm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:02:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTwnN-3e2knw-01-AFm; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:12:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTwnN-3e2knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:12:21 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTwnN-0003dN-JA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:12:21 +0000 X-Trace: 13662759/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAN5zw0fDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVasg X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 10:12:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:12:49 GMT Message-ID: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MAIY_cBPGvYA:15 a=FIC+WMFZHyJLWVawGLwuow==:17 a=ea1JJFXUeyYBnqVj2xMA:9 a=c0TsdBGiRDg_9tzcORMA:7 a=9yfcKATosDs70hV1rr7X8JqGvyIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ian Wolfe > writes >>Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting >>a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. > On RISC OS, if you install TransFSI which comes with OP then that should > handle GIFs transparently - i.e. just drag and drop GIF into OP frame. Oh dear; yet another chance to display my ignorance. I found TransFSI in OP.Filters but how do I install it? (I have looked again in the Manual). I am most grateful to you, David, and all the others for your suggestions. For any who may be interested the story is: For my wife's approaching 80th birthday, my daughter suggested a sort of "This is Your Life" type of book. Yesterday, quite by chance I came across a magazine page 52 years old, so of pretty poor quality, with a picture of our African pupils leaving school with their books balanced on their heads. I scanned it (on the PC) but didn't notice that it saved as a GIF. (The pamphlet is no longer available for a rescan). It displays on RO using FYEO. The only other programme which would look at it is ImageFS. The file from this is really not usable in OP. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 12:02:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTwo3-0EkGPo-05-AF6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:02:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTwo3-0EkGPo-05-AF6; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:13:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTwo3-0EkGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:13:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTwo3-00049m-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:13:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68E1180CFB3; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14648-08; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:13:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE85280D60A; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:12:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EB3E80CFB3 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14507-09 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F188780CBD9 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:12:22 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 13662759/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAN5zw0fDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVasg X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 10:12:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:12:49 GMT Message-ID: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 477 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ea1JJFXUeyYBnqVj2xMA:9 a=0tJhrYIBMr8vDdJxslUA:7 a=04WzN7rTq6ldRx4EKPhICRfbRpQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ian Wolfe > writes >>Is there any way of importing a GIF into Ovation Pro? Or of converting >>a GIF to a JPEG? TIA. > On RISC OS, if you install TransFSI which comes with OP then that should > handle GIFs transparently - i.e. just drag and drop GIF into OP frame. Oh dear; yet another chance to display my ignorance. I found TransFSI in OP.Filters but how do I install it? (I have looked again in the Manual). I am most grateful to you, David, and all the others for your suggestions. For any who may be interested the story is: For my wife's approaching 80th birthday, my daughter suggested a sort of "This is Your Life" type of book. Yesterday, quite by chance I came across a magazine page 52 years old, so of pretty poor quality, with a picture of our African pupils leaving school with their books balanced on their heads. I scanned it (on the PC) but didn't notice that it saved as a GIF. (The pamphlet is no longer available for a rescan). It displays on RO using FYEO. The only other programme which would look at it is ImageFS. The file from this is really not usable in OP. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 12:17:21 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTyiI-0kY000-01-GrN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:17:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTyiI-0kY000-01-GrN; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:15:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTyiI-0kY000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:15:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTyiH-0006eN-Uj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:15:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 566BB80D9BC; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29123-08; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AFB780E14A; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C93F80D9BC for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28973-09 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C29680D957 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JTyha-000Hdt-2o for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:14:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:13:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 478 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QSVcM3G4nj0hHz2Pw6gA:9 a=khWJJl1r4oKallbWMcgA:7 a=1Pg5KK8bPDmRJzCHZ0TdZMbt5VEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com>, Ian Wolfe writes >Oh dear; yet another chance to display my ignorance. I found TransFSI >in OP.Filters but how do I install it? (I have looked again in the >Manual). Just make it "visible", typically you put it in the same place as other things in that category like !Fonts. If you only want to use it once, just double click it. >on their heads. I scanned it (on the PC) but didn't notice that it >saved as a GIF. (The pamphlet is no longer available for a rescan). It >displays on RO using FYEO. The only other programme which would look >at it is ImageFS. The file from this is really not usable in OP. For one off use, which is what this sounds like, just use ImageFS or FYEO to save the graphic as a sprite. If the image is grey scale, then going from GIF to JPEG is a reasonable thing to do. Both will use 8 bits per pixel. Assuming the software is capable of spotting an 8bpp grey scale GIF as such, which my scanning software is. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 12:47:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JTzAG-2y9000-01-GPP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:47:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JTzAG-2y9000-01-GPP; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:44:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JTzAG-2y9000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:44:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JTzAF-00023I-NO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:44:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 299BE80DE60; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32650-10; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0DBF80DF04; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5F8780DE60 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32608-02 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8852580DB9D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:43:26 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 13808892/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAJyYw0fDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVas8 X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 12:43:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:43:40 GMT Message-ID: References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 479 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CuxYJ5K6sysWpcZeEnoA:9 a=-LJ_OQsBooXTSwnxVzwA:7 a=dS0BAYiCJBddcJdzZagS7gxhrGoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message David Pilling wrote: > Just make it "visible", typically you put it in the same place as other > things in that category like !Fonts. Did that, ie into HostFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Resources > If you only want to use it once, just double click it. Did that. When trying to import into OP I now get the error message "Attempt to use badly nested error handler (or corrupt R13) Message token ERQ1 not found" > For one off use, which is what this sounds like, just use ImageFS or > FYEO to save the graphic as a sprite. Yes, I had done that but the OP result was really unusable. > I cannot imagine an aphorism less-applicable to a gentleman like you. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 14:17:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU0U3-0NJknw-04-F5c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:17:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU0U3-0NJknw-04-F5c; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:08:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU0U3-0NJknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:08:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU0U3-0000Je-9u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:08:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A529180E377; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10147-03-2; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 238CE80E3A3; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:07:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E85F80E356 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09960-06 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D47680DFAF for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JU0TN-0003Pr-Ma for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:07:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:06:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 480 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=5SK3TR1f2DfnpUN-ZSgA:7 a=WzOvUYeFQyx4sUHinkNltecwOCcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message , Ian Wolfe writes >When trying to import into OP I now get the error message >"Attempt to use badly nested error handler (or corrupt R13) >Message token ERQ1 not found" TransFSI uses the ChangeFSI program, so that has to work, you could in any case have used ChangeFSI on its own. >> For one off use, which is what this sounds like, just use ImageFS or >> FYEO to save the graphic as a sprite. >Yes, I had done that but the OP result was really unusable. Unusable in what sense? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 14:47:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU10D-3tZ000-02-EZS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:47:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU10D-3tZ000-02-EZS; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:41:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU10D-3tZ000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:41:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU103-0002zY-0N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:41:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A619C80D1F9; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15185-05; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E69680D498; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD70980CD89 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14999-10 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73D8F80C8C3 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 13922564/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAJSzw0fDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVati X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 14:40:55 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:40:59 GMT Message-ID: <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 481 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ukMAy3KWiZBhVfhf3-oA:9 a=bqihEOzWVToyI82AWTQA:7 a=X6cMGDvSCSPZDGBI9FKk_41nR8MA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ian Wolfe > writes >>When trying to import into OP I now get the error message >>"Attempt to use badly nested error handler (or corrupt R13) >>Message token ERQ1 not found" > TransFSI uses the ChangeFSI program, so that has to work, you could in > any case have used ChangeFSI on its own. When i tried the original GIF on ChangeFSI I got the message "ChangeFSI may have gone wrong" etc. >>> For one off use, which is what this sounds like, just use ImageFS or >>> FYEO to save the graphic as a sprite. >>Yes, I had done that but the OP result was really unusable. > Unusable in what sense? The poor quality of the original scan seems to be emphasised when put in OP. The background seems intrusively "pixellated" (if I'm not talking nonsense), as though the wee Nigerians were on a background of embossed wallpaper. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 15:02:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU1GK-0H7GPo-07-EJL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:02:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU1GK-0H7GPo-07-EJL; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:58:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU1GK-0H7GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:58:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU1G9-0006Sk-TN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:58:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1732580E404; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17466-02; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 865D880E4A4; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:57:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AA5A80E458 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17202-09 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7A5680E44D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1QEvB3n015894 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:57:12 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:56:11 GMT Message-ID: <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 482 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=77KdyV_Hb4w_pg3mlnsA:9 a=iXMnH5YpAKm7EQEzMIIA:7 a=mh5whqOaYZYBI2_LYk1wBS_PaV4A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] On 26 Feb 2008 David Pilling wrote: > In message <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com>, Ian Wolfe > writes >>Oh dear; yet another chance to display my ignorance. I found TransFSI >>in OP.Filters but how do I install it? (I have looked again in the >>Manual). > Just make it "visible", typically you put it in the same place as other > things in that category like !Fonts. > If you only want to use it once, just double click it. I've been idly following this thread, and thought I'd give it a go. I have !TransFSI in !OvFilters in Boot.Resources, and any attempt to import a gif into an OPro frame gives a "This file could not be converted" error. The really odd bit is that the error box says it comes from ArcFax, which I no longer have. ????? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 16:47:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU2vU-4CR000-01-CeB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:47:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU2vU-4CR000-01-CeB; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:45:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU2vU-4CR000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:45:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU2vS-00052O-Jp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:45:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 650C780ED51; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04574-08; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4DFA80EDFE; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:44:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2241480ED51 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04438-09 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C0A380ECA9 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080226164612.OLGH27871.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:46:12 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080226164534.NVBK17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:45:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:41:40 GMT Message-ID: <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=evCDVUa7xYEA:15 a=psfcdVTxQc6d+vmCcrePOw==:17 a=PBFZXdyLpc69Aj7i9dEA:9 a=3FTQepaYvxc3BSm_bIYA:7 a=m2UCPrzEuVlXS3hzfmt89wUS6v8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 483 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bHCIZemg8BYA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PBFZXdyLpc69Aj7i9dEA:9 a=o31mfsrWc0lUdAzr4BYA:7 a=IqTOZ7tHTcyZqXQq8ajOdxqz3v0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> Ian Wolfe wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: >> In message , Ian Wolfe >> writes >>>When trying to import into OP I now get the error message >>>"Attempt to use badly nested error handler (or corrupt R13) >>>Message token ERQ1 not found" >> TransFSI uses the ChangeFSI program, so that has to work, you could in >> any case have used ChangeFSI on its own. > When i tried the original GIF on ChangeFSI I got the message > "ChangeFSI may have gone wrong" etc. >>>> For one off use, which is what this sounds like, just use ImageFS or >>>> FYEO to save the graphic as a sprite. >>>Yes, I had done that but the OP result was really unusable. >> Unusable in what sense? > The poor quality of the original scan seems to be emphasised when put > in OP. The background seems intrusively "pixellated" (if I'm not > talking nonsense), as though the wee Nigerians were on a background of > embossed wallpaper. I have converted it to draw and that seems better, I will send it to you direct Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 18:32:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU4Xf-2UaVbs-01-B20.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:32:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU4Xf-2UaVbs-01-B20; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:28:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU4Xf-2UaVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:28:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU4Xf-00017N-6P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:28:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 293CE80F329; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20199-05; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEF4B80EF2F; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:27:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7D4880EDBC for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19871-08 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 734F280E530 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JU4Wr-000BSf-43 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:27:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:26:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 484 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WTEhqhbzxkAF5_qx1pYA:9 a=td78Ne3z533-CN2K_oYA:7 a=1DfnGzfVWORryxIz-4lfma6RB_MA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >I've been idly following this thread, and thought I'd give it a go. I >have !TransFSI in !OvFilters in Boot.Resources, and any attempt to >import a gif into an OPro frame gives a "This file could not be >converted" error. The really odd bit is that the error box says it >comes from ArcFax, which I no longer have. Two parts, this file could not be converted... ISTR that TransFSI can be tuned to deal with various file types so it needs enabling for GIF, in addition ChangeFSI has to have been seen and has to be capable of handling GIFs. Second, ArcFax... There is a little executable that converts a command line program into a transloader, you'll find it inside !TransFSI. There is an error in the original version of that executable - it thinks it is ArcFax. You'll find a new 32 bit version on my web site that has the name changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 18:32:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU4Zb-0IU000-06-B04.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:32:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU4Zb-0IU000-06-B04; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:30:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU4Zb-0IU000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:30:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU4Za-0003Bb-Hj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:30:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D848580EA66; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20560-09; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A6AD80E9B5; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:29:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2855280EA66 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20375-03 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9EB680E7E3 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JU4Yl-000CVK-2J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:29:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:28:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pEDArw3A049Nt_rTDU4A:9 a=1Ig0W7Fatlpcj8L2ssIA:7 a=Js2gFJEb7g8AqqsOKr14dMqIm1MA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com>, Ian Wolfe writes >> Unusable in what sense? >The poor quality of the original scan seems to be emphasised when put >in OP. The background seems intrusively "pixellated" (if I'm not >talking nonsense), as though the wee Nigerians were on a background of >embossed wallpaper. It is common for images to look poor on screen but be OK when printed. The cause is that they have a lot more pixels than the screen and a rough (but fast) method is used for scaling them to display on screen. When printing things are different. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 19:32:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU5M9-31Hknw-02-ADW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:32:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU5M9-31Hknw-02-ADW; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:20:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU5M9-31Hknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:20:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU5M1-0002ex-5K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 993A680FB36; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25544-02-4; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13FB980FD7A; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:59:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BA6880FCBA for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25358-06 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D37E080FA9C for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1QIwgWt019527 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:58:43 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:57:24 GMT Message-ID: <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 486 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fu4z7TVLumXO-BIN_8wA:9 a=qz3xSlyUIpLvDJVJrRYA:7 a=-62Zh0MFRI4x7cCY_YVzRSUb-44A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] On 26 Feb 2008 David Pilling wrote: > In message <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > writes >>I've been idly following this thread, and thought I'd give it a go. I >>have !TransFSI in !OvFilters in Boot.Resources, and any attempt to >>import a gif into an OPro frame gives a "This file could not be >>converted" error. The really odd bit is that the error box says it >>comes from ArcFax, which I no longer have. > Two parts, this file could not be converted... > ISTR that TransFSI can be tuned to deal with various file types so it > needs enabling for GIF, Many thanks, have looked at that, and here, in !TransFSI's !Run, there are the lines: Set File$Type_695 GIF Set File$Type_69C BMP Set File$Type_C85 JPEG Set File$Type_FF0 TIFF Set FFGServer$TransFSI -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir so I think it should know about the GIF format! > in addition ChangeFSI has to have been seen and That could possibly be the problem, but the error message persisted after I had opened the directory containing ChangeFSI. Hang on a moment: it's in Utilities, so shouldn't it automatically be seen? > and has to be capable of handling GIFs. Now, that I think is the problem; there's no line in ChangeFSI's !Run file that mentions filetype 695. Presumably there should be, but I have in my ignorance no idea of the syntax. Any guidance, please? Do I just copy one of the Set Alias$@RunType lines, substituting Type_695? > Second, ArcFax... > There is a little executable that converts a command line program into a > transloader, you'll find it inside !TransFSI. There is an error in the > original version of that executable - it thinks it is ArcFax. You'll > find a new 32 bit version on my web site that has the name changed. Thanks, I'll go and get that one, and will report on progress in due course. Thanks again for the help. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 19:32:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU5UP-4Ti000-05-A5G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:32:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU5UP-4Ti000-05-A5G; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:29:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU5UP-4Ti000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:29:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU5UK-0006aM-Ga for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:29:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BD2180FF44; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26224-06; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81CEA80FFAE; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D055A80FF44 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26109-02 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9648F80FF3D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:01:46 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 14144793/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAH7ww0fDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVZBamyU X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 19:01:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:01:44 GMT Message-ID: <7bbb4f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bAY8J9xud3HjUYzFTB0A:9 a=cKQvonk3yMKWIAlknKkA:7 a=4gpGKRp0gXoE59zojDkFoVZIFNoA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> The poor quality of the original scan seems to be emphasised when put >> in OP. The background seems intrusively "pixellated" (if I'm not >> talking nonsense), as though the wee Nigerians were on a background of >> embossed wallpaper. > I have converted it to draw and that seems better, > I will send it to you direct Thank you, Alan. Replied by private email. It's the importing into OP which seems to emphasise my bad scanning. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 19:47:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU5c7-3HvVbs-03-9xY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:47:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU5c7-3HvVbs-03-9xY; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:37:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU5c7-3HvVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:37:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU5c3-0003Do-FQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:37:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7F3F81019C; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26825-06; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B9A0810180; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:06:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEADC81004D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26663-06 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72DEB810047 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m1QJ5X2R019626 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:05:33 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:05:45 GMT Message-ID: References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 488 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Rrk_x8Q1Q79I1Dcyhj0A:9 a=Oe3z7eRmwgJ0y9Q_KLIA:7 a=KnGzHQJHsWp1IkJ5VuWf8Fczt38A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] On 26 Feb 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 26 Feb 2008 David Pilling wrote: [snip] >> Two parts, this file could not be converted... >> ISTR that TransFSI can be tuned to deal with various file types so it >> needs enabling for GIF, > Many thanks, have looked at that, and here, in !TransFSI's !Run, there > are the lines: > Set File$Type_695 GIF > Set File$Type_69C BMP > Set File$Type_C85 JPEG > Set File$Type_FF0 TIFF > Set FFGServer$TransFSI -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -R > TransFSI$Dir > so I think it should know about the GIF format! [snip] >> Second, ArcFax... >> There is a little executable that converts a command line program into a >> transloader, you'll find it inside !TransFSI. There is an error in the >> original version of that executable - it thinks it is ArcFax. You'll >> find a new 32 bit version on my web site that has the name changed. > Thanks, I'll go and get that one, and will report on progress in due > course. Thanks again for the help. Near-instant feedback, faster than even a Pilling response! :-) I've got the new !TransFSI, and it all now works perfectly. Thanks again, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 20:02:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU5tv-3jxVbs-08-9fk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:02:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU5tv-3jxVbs-08-9fk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:55:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU5tv-3jxVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:55:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU5ts-00039c-2n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:55:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F02C3810046; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30306-02; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BB988109DF; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:36:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B67B2810942 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30150-03 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AD1F81012D for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080226193827.JMJF16169.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:38:27 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080226193627.IPQV29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:36:27 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:35:15 GMT Message-ID: <4ecd52774f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7bbb4f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <7bbb4f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=evCDVUa7xYEA:15 a=psfcdVTxQc6d+vmCcrePOw==:17 a=DjggGvQI8VKHduPi0KEA:9 a=bnAiSj1lJyPGCY23Ctb4_ue5DdIA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=k8bjYWhUSksA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DjggGvQI8VKHduPi0KEA:9 a=YuShXrE2psuy9TzDu8gA:7 a=q4celsTT1kEnbOYl92M9zDzBI7YA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message <7bbb4f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> Ian Wolfe wrote: > In message <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >>> The poor quality of the original scan seems to be emphasised when put >>> in OP. The background seems intrusively "pixellated" (if I'm not >>> talking nonsense), as though the wee Nigerians were on a background of >>> embossed wallpaper. >> I have converted it to draw and that seems better, >> I will send it to you direct > Thank you, Alan. Replied by private email. > It's the importing into OP which seems to emphasise my bad scanning. Two things Ian, I will print it out and post it to you or do PDF. Another thought send me the original and I will rescan it etc. Over to you Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 26 20:02:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU5vN-1dQ000-07-9eI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:02:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU5vN-1dQ000-07-9eI; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:57:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU5vN-1dQ000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:57:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU5vI-0002fp-FI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:57:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0E36810A4E; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30574-01; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A934810A1F; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:38:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D8B5810A18 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30404-03 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE1C0810940 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:38:16 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 14165722/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAKL5w0fDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVawK X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 19:38:10 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:38:12 GMT Message-ID: <671253774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 490 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ORxZO8PQiddEEJwepuYA:9 a=TfmA3njIFILZVL2KrEMA:7 a=VCnVgX_BaeQz_o6oN7ldm98a53UA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1299] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com>, Ian Wolfe >>The poor quality of the original scan seems to be emphasised when put >>in OP. The background seems intrusively "pixellated" (if I'm not >>talking nonsense), as though the wee Nigerians were on a background of >>embossed wallpaper. > It is common for images to look poor on screen but be OK when printed. > The cause is that they have a lot more pixels than the screen and a > rough (but fast) method is used for scaling them to display on screen. > When printing things are different. Gosh, you're absolutely right. While never going to win any photographic prizes, I'm sure they are now good enough to bring back happy memories to SWMBO. I've printed out 3, 1 each from JPEG, Draw & Sprite. I think the Draw is slightly the best, but as my eyes are not really up to it I shall let another decide. In conclusion of this epic, I do not know how sufficiently to thank those who have helped solve it. I have been amazed at the number of people who have, both on the list and privately, gone to considerable effort to help. My most sincere gratitude to you all. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 27 11:52:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JU8Qg-3p8000-03-FfV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:52:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JU8Qg-3p8000-03-FfV; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:37:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JU8Qg-3p8000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:37:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JU8Qc-0000AD-NM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:37:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43F07810CC7; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16245-05; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AB4810ACA; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:47:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:46:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6520810CC7 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16119-08 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24DED80EB56 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JU7cq-0002O8-1j for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:46:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:44:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 491 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1oLLaOJSZOBT7bkCPCEA:9 a=UmH0B4RDLPM3P7_qGZsA:7 a=kBYQDGho33uHAnBTj73NjY3TAEUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In message , Dr Peter Young writes >On 26 Feb 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: >I've >got the new !TransFSI, and it all now works perfectly. That is a good point, there is a new TransFSI on my web site and that is a better place to start. The URL is: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transfsi.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 27 11:53:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JUHl4-1n0Vbs-07-Erd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:53:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JUHl4-1n0Vbs-07-Erd; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:35:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JUHl4-1n0Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:35:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JUHl2-0005cs-IG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:35:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3DEF8126EB; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17474-05; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BD75812887; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:34:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8E278126EB for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17286-06 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E49381280C for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:34:39 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 14446694/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPqvxEfDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVqwX X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2008 08:34:37 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:34:43 GMT Message-ID: References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <65dc37774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <92e842774f.alan@ntlworld.com> <7bbb4f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <4ecd52774f.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4ecd52774f.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 492 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7m86xIkATpp4EUA42H4A:9 a=fxuRv1so8okfNmHvQNUA:7 a=d7C3L_31LF_0jBojbU4tWmFG8FUA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In message <4ecd52774f.alan@ntlworld.com> Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Two things Ian, I will print it out and post it to you or do PDF. > Another thought send me the original and I will rescan it etc. Alan, you persist in being too kind to me. As perhaps you know from elsewhere, thanks to all the help I've received, I'm content with the outcome. The rescanning suggestion was a good one - except that the original has gone for good. That is another story, but I'm not going to disgrace myself any more by going into it. Thanks again. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 27 11:53:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JUHoQ-1dlGPo-05-EoH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:53:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JUHoQ-1dlGPo-05-EoH; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JUHoQ-1dlGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JUHoP-0006nj-Dz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06E4E812959; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17760-01; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7595E8128AC; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76435812783 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17628-08 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27B21812741 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:38:10 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 14448779/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPqvxEfDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVqwX X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2008 08:38:08 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:16 GMT Message-ID: <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 493 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EU4bz71XFG4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6l29EWrTDticTMBg034A:9 a=4wC66OkhGSc8D28f44sA:7 a=qkpEwkroWlUjgY9L1ne19vAM_JoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Dr Peter Young > writes >>On 26 Feb 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: >>I've >>got the new !TransFSI, and it all now works perfectly. > That is a good point, there is a new TransFSI on my web site and that is > a better place to start. > The URL is: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transfsi.zip Like Peter, I've tried this. He is much cleverer than I and (I believe) got everything working. Not so here; it seems to make no difference. Possibly my equipment (RISCube RO 4.02) is not up to it? -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 27 11:53:21 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JUJPd-0WDknw-06-DD4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:53:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JUJPd-0WDknw-06-DD4; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JUJPd-0WDknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:21:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JUJPa-0007BZ-NW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:21:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 329AB812C27; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29118-01; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A02B2812C15; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:20:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE18681197C for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28846-09 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:20:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9201E8129C5 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080227102224.CPQY16169.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:22:24 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20080227102149.YFYP17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:21:49 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c8792a$57673cb0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:20:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9i1UzcdnBb8A:15 a=cFCxCCrULuuJ0juGFHYIIg==:17 a=nKwP3FO_8foUhIxoS44A:9 a=jacZj64hkOQgpAYeJXIA:7 a=1zCKGK_34yW2jBA7SgF8hglcobMA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o_3WBDd-QywA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nKwP3FO_8foUhIxoS44A:9 a=DrtWyq9tNFsiZayFEpwA:7 a=58xIFkcZPlxPzSLGNTfRhzGwfaQA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] Hello, All, The new !TransFSI seems to be working OK here (Iyonix RiscOS 5.13). GIF, BMP, JPEG and TIFF all now successfully rendered in Ovation Pro. Thanks for that. The only slight issue (which doesn't affect me, I have to say) is that the transparency setting on GIF files doesn't seem to be recognised. Just thought I'd mention it. Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 27 12:07:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JUL3P-1Eg000-02-BZI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:07:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JUL3P-1Eg000-02-BZI; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:06:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JUL3P-1Eg000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:06:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JUL3O-00063N-W9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:06:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 638928129A6; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07607-03; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC95E812B15; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:05:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 684848129A6 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07454-07 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33BB1812982 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JUL2h-000LJQ-9T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:05:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:04:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 495 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xv4f48fhWNFLBwKAbo8A:9 a=-CTsRX8gs9mCa1SLFMsA:7 a=_8Z22d_BR-Eh570BChwyN9XhqxgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In message <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com>, Ian Wolfe writes >Like Peter, I've tried this. He is much cleverer than I and (I >believe) got everything working. Not so here; it seems to make no >difference. Possibly my equipment (RISCube RO 4.02) is not up to it? The thing is that TransFSI depends on ChangeFSI. I believe you tried your copy of ChangeFSI on the file and that didn't work. There are newer better versions of ChangeFSI available. Just where one gets the latest version from I'm hoping someone will tell me. Even with the latest ChangeFSI there is always the possibility that your GIF file has some feature that means ChangeFSI can't process it. Finally for John Grogan - ISTR that ChangeFSI does not handle transparency in GIFs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2008 12:41:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:41:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] GIF Message-ID: <4f77b0bc3cbriancarroll@f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 496 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F5e_gk_bZdMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=b0g4R_blvCLvayTxMRQA:9 a=8A083IFqgc71FelXzC4A:7 a=wP2z6Y51qXjwASe6H3m1rFSxAoEA:4 a=hCNgsXmmqS4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > I believe you tried your copy of ChangeFSI on the file and > that didn't work. There are newer better versions of ChangeFSI > available. Just where one gets the latest version from I'm > hoping someone will tell me. The latest version I have on my RiscPC is v1.32 (14 Feb 2007) from the RISC OS SIX (Select 4i2) CD. It seems to run OK on RISC OS 4.39 whose installation CD contains ChangeFSI v1.27 (06 May 2003). The version with RISC OS 4.02 was 1.16 (16 Jul 97); then v1.24 (13 Apr 2002), v1.25 (16 Jul 2002), v1.27 (06 May 2003) accompanied successive versions of Select. Brian. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Wed Feb 27 17:59:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JUOhD-4eyVbs-06-GS0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:59:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JUOhD-4eyVbs-06-GS0; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JUOhD-4eyVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:51 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.23] (helo=mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JUOhC-0006n0-RY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:50 +0000 X-Trace: 49961771/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAsYxUfDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVqxS X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2008 15:59:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:40 GMT Message-ID: <74e6c2774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EK1lvdXM1uYA:15 a=p1pcs78iYo0wYKhjYEzDsA==:17 a=Swm98X-dGEe6fL4Y1qEA:9 a=mePloaNH2SMsl59VTqfyTvFgg84A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In message David Pilling wrote: > I believe you tried your copy of ChangeFSI on the file and that didn't > work. There are newer better versions of ChangeFSI available. Just where > one gets the latest version from I'm hoping someone will tell me. I've been looking unsuccessfully, so would like to know where (if possible) I can get the latest version to work with RO 4.02. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 27 17:59:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JUOhy-0wzVbs-07-GRF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:59:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JUOhy-0wzVbs-07-GRF; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:00:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JUOhy-0wzVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:00:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JUOhx-00016u-Kg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:00:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01FDD812EAB; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13726-07; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8574D81302C; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:59:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D53D812F04 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13621-04 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:59:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10A19812ECE for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 49961771/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.94.49 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.94.49 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAsYxUfDiV4x/2dsb2JhbACBVqxS X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net (HELO riscube.jwolfe.f2s.com) ([195.137.94.49]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 Feb 2008 15:59:49 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: GIF To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:59:40 GMT Message-ID: <74e6c2774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <304f1f774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> <684039774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <0d564f774f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3d7d9a774f.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 497 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@jwolfe.f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CHWX4p76PtoA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Swm98X-dGEe6fL4Y1qEA:9 a=3j_ZEcd2HF07Ulzj9-8A:7 a=CbDZzL4IM-H-uPg8TmkyIrdrFzcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.1/1301] In message David Pilling wrote: > I believe you tried your copy of ChangeFSI on the file and that didn't > work. There are newer better versions of ChangeFSI available. Just where > one gets the latest version from I'm hoping someone will tell me. I've been looking unsuccessfully, so would like to know where (if possible) I can get the latest version to work with RO 4.02. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 3 11:46:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JVw6u-24UGPo-04-Enz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:46:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JVw6u-24UGPo-04-Enz; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:52:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JVw6u-24UGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:52:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JVw6u-00070J-Ay for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:52:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C059C8156BF; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23471-09; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D1B8165D5; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF4A68156BF for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23409-05 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F55C8156A2 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:52:03 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 673708068/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.255.163 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.255.163 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CABKwykdYaf+j/2dsb2JhbACBVqkt Received: from 88-105-255-163.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.255.163]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 02 Mar 2008 21:52:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:53:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro funny Message-ID: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eCdNJcepGbAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=5QWf3vrfAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GF_uJUnu7BZ9ZtRYYBcA:9 a=ZgKSUyqPwd5eautwV0wA:7 a=4Rw68uzu7-ceGcprRG8lQ4zcsm0A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.3/1308] This one is weird, I've worked on it for hours and cannot understand what's happening. It was part of a larger graphic, but I've eliminated all the other elements in the graphic, leaving just the problem bit. OvPro for RISC OS version 2.77 17 Feb 2008. In !Draw, Draw a line: Colour: Black. Width: 1mm. Endcap: Triangle. Width: 6. Height: 12. Insert into an OvPro graphic frame. Diplays line and endcap correctly. Save. Take to PC and Win version of OvPro 2.92 29 Oct 2007 Load document into OvPro. The line displays but the endcap arrow does not. File can be downloaded from: http://www.shayol.co.uk/dstuff/ovdoc.zip In OvPro for Windows save out the graphic, transfer it back to RISCOS Draw (Or VRPC Draw) Line and endcap display okay. ? Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 3 12:16:29 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JW9Mw-19cGPo-08-A4T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:16:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JW9Mw-19cGPo-08-A4T; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:02:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JW9Mw-19cGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:02:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JW9Mv-0002kY-H3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:02:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0888881677F; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21325-01; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C189816768; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:01:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFE84816693 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21190-05 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C226816648 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JW9MD-000Pxb-Cb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:01:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:00:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro funny References: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dCedf8vHjXgnpxaejWYA:9 a=2CcyNRDwVzmZDfQhAf4A:7 a=Pj-D6uFMYrFkXkGrw8VtnnPkXKIA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.3/1308] In message <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >In !Draw, Draw a line: >Colour: Black. Width: 1mm. Endcap: Triangle. Width: 6. Height: 12. >Insert into an OvPro graphic frame. Diplays line and endcap correctly. > >Save. >Take to PC and Win version of OvPro 2.92 29 Oct 2007 > >Load document into OvPro. >The line displays but the endcap arrow does not. Interesting. Why that might happen is simple enough. On RISC OS such lines are rendered by the "Draw module" (not to be confused with the DrawFile module) which is part of RISC OS, on Windows they're rendered by my own code. Chances are I've not emulated something correctly. I will investigate... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 3 16:31:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWDQ6-1sCGPo-02-EXp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:31:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWDQ6-1sCGPo-02-EXp; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWDQ6-1sCGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWDQ6-0001kT-3h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3377815A19; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20293-05; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75527816AA4; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:21:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7889C815A19 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20234-01 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpanelsmarthost1a.zen.co.uk (cpanelsmarthost1a.zen.co.uk [82.71.204.227]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95A64816A19 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.71.204.19] (helo=zencphosting11.zen.co.uk) by cpanelsmarthost1.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JWDPO-000875-Oi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:20:58 +0000 Received: from [78.144.131.179] (port=49542 helo=barryix.barryix.my.home) by zencphosting11.zen.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JWDPJ-0005UY-D3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:20:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:20:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Bar Code Font on PeeCee version. Message-ID: <4f7a5801edbarry@e-allen.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zencphosting11.zen.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - e-allen.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: barry@e-allen.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hI8cUUXJvXMA:15 a=-qTLaEUD0WoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9TNsxvcoI5qJICwv4hEA:9 a=mdo8oI5clzja7u9A6nIA:7 a=GmfxYHIBe9fh0Fsa8stIVtII0CEA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.3/1308] Hi Folks, Is it possible to somehow get the BarCode font onto a PeeCee so that I can print address labels with the Ovation PC version. -- Barry A. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 3 17:01:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWDtG-0Adknw-08-E4f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:01:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWDtG-0Adknw-08-E4f; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:51:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWDtG-0Adknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:51:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWDtC-0006ro-FK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:51:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85910816AC0; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24462-01; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0363D816A01; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:51:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF2168169DE for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24283-08 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3A7881694C for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JWDsO-000PwE-DA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:50:56 +0000 Message-ID: <6CKUJADTwCzHFwZD@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:49:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bar Code Font on PeeCee version. References: <4f7a5801edbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7a5801edbarry@e-allen.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 501 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZFMmSwOsckA:15 a=9KJfm89T7nMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=z1EF144_C0D14WQKMl0A:9 a=oLVyiLDoz2nghvfVkf4A:7 a=NbAlWU9GHfz4916D0vgUI9Xo9HcA:4 a=I2EqgwFF2xUA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.3/1308] In message <4f7a5801edbarry@e-allen.me.uk>, Barry E Allen writes >Is it possible to somehow get the BarCode font onto a PeeCee so that I >can print address labels with the Ovation PC version. Yes. I believe that if you install and activate the POBar code applet, the font will be installed automatically when OP is run. If you really want to install the font by hand then you'll find it inside the applet, inside the folder where OPW is installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 3 21:46:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWIK6-17xVbs-07-9dp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:46:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWIK6-17xVbs-07-9dp; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:35:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWIK6-17xVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:35:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWIK5-0001bG-LU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:35:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D46E7816D74; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32404-01; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F87F816CC3; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7699C816CEB for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32301-04 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 418BF816CE1 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial-dynamic-62-69-37-179.surfdial.murphx.net ([62.69.37.179] helo=iyonix.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JWIJ3-0005L4-S3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:34:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP stylesheets Message-ID: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1JWIJ3-0005L4-S3 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ijP2WQdBWRAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OMXL46Ppi5RjsfH0MJsA:9 a=sxR9sWPWX6bXDGTOxYQA:7 a=ZvLx8oeQApls3OxdWy8kINUw3vcA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.3/1308] Something's been puzzling me... Are OP stylesheets supposed to save printing options? They seem to save most of the printing dbox information, except for the details of custom thumbnails. When I use one of my stylesheets to start a new document, custom thumbnails is selected, which is correct. But the details (ie. how many thumbnails and their x- and y-gaps) seem to be carried over from the previous document I editted, not the values used when I saved the stylesheet. Am I expecting too much? Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 3 22:16:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWIsA-2xsVbs-07-95l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:16:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWIsA-2xsVbs-07-95l; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:11:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWIsA-2xsVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:11:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWIs0-0003pk-Q9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B400815B5F; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04430-03; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0F40815EC3; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:10:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DCDC815B5F for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03982-05 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDCCA815B5D for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JWIrH-0005ss-Nv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:10:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:08:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro funny References: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 503 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sFjVUeNpVMBM0u3x-KkA:9 a=qYHt09SBMnGqPxN9iFwA:7 a=A70c-CFu168fNCTfPqTz-8pcCYYA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.3/1308] In message , David Pilling writes >In message <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >>In !Draw, Draw a line: >>Colour: Black. Width: 1mm. Endcap: Triangle. Width: 6. Height: 12. >>Insert into an OvPro graphic frame. Diplays line and endcap correctly. >> >>Save. >>Take to PC and Win version of OvPro 2.92 29 Oct 2007 >> >>Load document into OvPro. >>The line displays but the endcap arrow does not. > > >Interesting. Why that might happen is simple enough. On RISC OS such >lines are rendered by the "Draw module" (not to be confused with the >DrawFile module) which is part of RISC OS, on Windows they're rendered >by my own code. Chances are I've not emulated something correctly. > >I will investigate... I know what the problem is, and I've fixed it. In Draw files it is possible to create a line in which two (or more) points have exactly the same co-ordinates. In other words one point is redundant. The trouble was that my emulation of the Draw module depended on the difference in position of the last two points in the line to work out how to draw the arrow head. I have been caught out with this before. I'll put the fixed version on the web site tomorrow and tell you when it is available. In the meantime, take out the extra point. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 11:51:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWIzG-2WIknw-08-8yf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:51:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWIzG-2WIknw-08-8yf; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:18:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWIzG-2WIknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:18:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWIzC-0002VC-4B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:18:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7955C816936; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05185-07; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 057D48168B7; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:17:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A81B816936 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05066-08 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 042658168B7 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JWIyW-000KBH-9p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:17:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:15:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP stylesheets References: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4LD57s4yxNoxOR2Y078A:9 a=nSz9qN1oCLlOmAijICwA:7 a=hY-Sudh6eAD-2_BfkIjyYmnDv_sA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] In message <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >Are OP stylesheets supposed to save printing options? They seem to >save most of the printing dbox information, except for the details of >custom thumbnails. > >When I use one of my stylesheets to start a new document, custom >thumbnails is selected, which is correct. But the details (ie. how >many thumbnails and their x- and y-gaps) seem to be carried over from >the previous document I editted, not the values used when I saved the >stylesheet. Am I expecting too much? Good point. Print formats rely on the ability of scripts to store extra information in documents. However Ovation Pro does not know about this information, so when creating a stylesheet from a document it does not copy it. This is not something I've thought about before. On the one hand it would be useful for some data (like the above), but on the other it would mean new documents created from stylesheets copied over lots of junk. Maybe you could just create an empty document and use it instead of a stylesheet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 11:51:57 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWQLN-29zknw-04-A94.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:51:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWQLN-29zknw-04-A94; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:09:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWQLN-29zknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:09:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWQLM-0004jv-LB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:09:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28358816EC7; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11871-01; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF6BA816E8C; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:08:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22FA7816EC5 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11632-02 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0FEB816E9A for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:08:53 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 691563557/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.196.144 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.196.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dave@triffid.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAIZ2zEdYacSQ/2dsb2JhbACBVqtl Received: from 88-105-196-144.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.196.144]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Mar 2008 06:08:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:48:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro funny Message-ID: <4f7aa1f6c0dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ewBw4MGqzTIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lzRdiO5RInCAXlaBJzEA:9 a=JBKOynO6JIC8d7AQqSMA:7 a=gaTVYKCV1TjaI1I1SdMiwbro9kwA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes > >In message <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > > writes > > > >>In !Draw, Draw a line: > >>Colour: Black. Width: 1mm. Endcap: Triangle. Width: 6. Height: 12. > >>Insert into an OvPro graphic frame. Diplays line and endcap correctly. > >> > >>Save. > >>Take to PC and Win version of OvPro 2.92 29 Oct 2007 > >> > >>Load document into OvPro. > >>The line displays but the endcap arrow does not. > > > > > >Interesting. Why that might happen is simple enough. On RISC OS such > >lines are rendered by the "Draw module" (not to be confused with the > >DrawFile module) which is part of RISC OS, on Windows they're rendered > >by my own code. Chances are I've not emulated something correctly. > > > >I will investigate... > I know what the problem is, and I've fixed it. > In Draw files it is possible to create a line in which two (or more) > points have exactly the same co-ordinates. In other words one point is > redundant. The trouble was that my emulation of the Draw module depended > on the difference in position of the last two points in the line to work > out how to draw the arrow head. > I have been caught out with this before. > I'll put the fixed version on the web site tomorrow and tell you when it > is available. In the meantime, take out the extra point. Aha! I see, I didn't realise I'd done an extra click to end the line, thus adding a second end node on top of the first one. Looking at it now in big zoom, I can see. Excellent catch Mr P. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 11:52:05 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWTh9-09tVbs-05-FJo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:52:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWTh9-09tVbs-05-FJo; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:44:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWTh9-09tVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:44:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWTh8-0000HG-L9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:44:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CE4581724F; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 04:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30445-01; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 04:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC6F816438; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 04:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:43:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8478C817235 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 04:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30308-05 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 04:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F2AF816DE4 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 04:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial-dynamic-62-69-37-71.surfdial.murphx.net ([62.69.37.71] helo=iyonix.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JWTgL-0004NO-1C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:43:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:44:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP stylesheets Message-ID: <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1JWTgL-0004NO-1C X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 506 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EtvYWddqlAQA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e9g8iriSF-wvKdcW29wA:9 a=VbTZK7lX1kn_Sf796zYA:7 a=0F5m3JDwqrYIi84v9HfIMFRaBoYA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] David Pilling wrote: > Chris writes > >Are OP stylesheets supposed to save printing options? They seem to > >save most of the printing dbox information, except for the details of > >custom thumbnails. > > > >When I use one of my stylesheets to start a new document, custom > >thumbnails is selected, which is correct. But the details (ie. how > >many thumbnails and their x- and y-gaps) seem to be carried over from > >the previous document I editted, not the values used when I saved the > >stylesheet. Am I expecting too much? > Good point. Print formats rely on the ability of scripts to store > extra information in documents. However Ovation Pro does not know > about this information, so when creating a stylesheet from a > document it does not copy it. > This is not something I've thought about before. On the one hand it > would be useful for some data (like the above), but on the other it > would mean new documents created from stylesheets copied over lots of > junk. Stylesheets are already selective in what they save, so maybe they could select just a little bit more? Eg. x- and y- thumbnail gaps take a bit of experimenting to get right (the x-gaps for different labels I use are 2.1mm and 2.7mm respectively) and, since they're tied to their particular document formats, they seem to be exactly the sort of things a stylesheet should remember. > Maybe you could just create an empty document and use it instead of a > stylesheet. Yes, that's what I must do, but then what's the point of stylesheets? Anyway, this isn't a serious criticism - OP is fantastic - but even something good can sometimes be improved! Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 12:21:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWVvi-1JUVbs-08-D5F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:21:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWVvi-1JUVbs-08-D5F; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:07:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWVvi-1JUVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:07:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWVvh-0003qc-Vm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:07:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84114817601; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12525-03; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 144CF8175A9; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:06:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF967817601 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12403-05 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF10B8175B3 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JWVuy-000Ju6-G3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:06:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:04:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP stylesheets References: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 507 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZFMmSwOsckA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0sr1yPjs4VvwL7NUg94A:9 a=38kgcTb32svDfZS5ExoA:7 a=RWKY4p_BsIiTIJUqndW9JqtKAgwA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] In message <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >Stylesheets are already selective in what they save, so maybe they >could select just a little bit more? Eg. x- and y- thumbnail gaps take >a bit of experimenting to get right (the x-gaps for different labels I >use are 2.1mm and 2.7mm respectively) and, since they're tied to their >particular document formats, they seem to be exactly the sort of things >a stylesheet should remember. But OP doesn't know anything about x and y thumbnail gaps. They're something that whoever wrote the particular print format invented. As has actually happened (OK once) someone can come along and add new parameters to a print format. >> Maybe you could just create an empty document and use it instead of a >> stylesheet. >Yes, that's what I must do, but then what's the point of stylesheets? For some people stylesheets make things simpler, but when you look hard at them they're not doing much. Perhaps instead there could have been a "save empty document" option. However they do have some effects. For example they flag that a new document has been created, so the file name is not inherited. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 19:10:05 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWXLA-0pL000-03-Bfn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:10:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWXLA-0pL000-03-Bfn; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:37:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWXLA-0pL000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:37:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWXLA-0002Rm-7i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:37:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A10948172A1; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23688-09; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39AD481733B; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:37:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3F7281733D for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23637-04 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D58F8172FD for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.69.36.55] (helo=iyonix.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JWXKI-00073s-Ur for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:37:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:37:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP stylesheets Message-ID: <4f7acce24bchris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1JWXKI-00073s-Ur X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gAVQay2yfBgA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4dM0pVDazLEBEHiZi5YA:9 a=hNB6lzkSF9VhzxngCB0A:7 a=K55QccM9ujb7_dukShEoczbF17cA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] David Pilling wrote: > But OP doesn't know anything about x and y thumbnail gaps. They're > something that whoever wrote the particular print format invented. > As has actually happened (OK once) someone can come along and add new > parameters to a print format. Ah I see! So 'empty documents' it is then - that's fine by me. Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 19:10:06 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWYC8-4JB000-08-Aop.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:10:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWYC8-4JB000-08-Aop; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:32:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWYC8-4JB000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:32:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWYC7-0003Kz-PX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:32:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32A14817093; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31199-10; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDFCD816F81; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:32:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA92D817093 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31061-08 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93302816F1E for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-34-109.as15444.net [82.163.34.109]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m24EVfC2011778 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:31:43 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP stylesheets To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:02:25 GMT Message-ID: <362ecf7a4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net> <4f7acce24bchris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4f7acce24bchris@highpath.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 509 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BO0U2JSEdXsA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4vkH23jqOiPIn4DGPlwA:9 a=mrDpcGu00A0-NrrEzwYA:7 a=XVpC3FKCrW4qgHjK8oyEKDypUPMA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] On 4 Mar 2008 Chris wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> But OP doesn't know anything about x and y thumbnail gaps. They're >> something that whoever wrote the particular print format invented. >> As has actually happened (OK once) someone can come along and add new >> parameters to a print format. > Ah I see! So 'empty documents' it is then - that's fine by me. And of course, if you have the Stationery applet, you can store a selection of both stylesheets and empty documents in there. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 4 22:25:05 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JWfYJ-0E4GPo-02-BzA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:25:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JWfYJ-0E4GPo-02-BzA; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:24:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JWfYJ-0E4GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:24:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JWfYJ-0003g3-B4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:24:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C444181823D; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22662-03; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 538C381843E; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7763381823D for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22561-04 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A6D181804C for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from dial-dynamic-62-69-37-237.surfdial.murphx.net ([62.69.37.237] helo=iyonix.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JWegZ-000448-KG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:28:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:28:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP stylesheets Message-ID: <4f7af80405chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <362ecf7a4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f7a74bc4achris@highpath.net> <4f7ab78b00chris@highpath.net> <4f7acce24bchris@highpath.net> <362ecf7a4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1JWegZ-000448-KG X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 510 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gMunqtbM7X8A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HDBbtUSElzosc7o2QW8A:9 a=QvrECV0i6p5BO2ZLtJQA:7 a=QS37wWLzOhRGIlEVK2ArpNhdeTkA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=nrUGvYwLnKIA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1310] Dr Peter Young wrote: > Chris wrote: > > Ah I see! So 'empty documents' it is then - that's fine by me. > And of course, if you have the Stationery applet, you can store a > selection of both stylesheets and empty documents in there. Thanks for pointing that out, Peter. I hadn't discovered that applet. Most useful. Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling