From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 4 12:14:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IzJhe-1nyVbs-03-Guv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:14:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IzJhe-1nyVbs-03-Guv; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:23:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IzJhe-1nyVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:23:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IzJha-00058u-UG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:23:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C7687CF398; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01634-09; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAA337CF536; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CB7A7CF398 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01499-09 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8952A7CF0C2 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IzJek-0000wr-P1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:20:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:19:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] SpeakerTime - new, free, software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 321 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=qYGW78HEILgA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=NzzZDwZHH0fnp8TnTJjZE1cO7nUA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Hi, It is a long time since I wrote a new piece of software, so you can conclude that this is trivial. The program is for meetings at which participants are allocated a limited time to speak for. See: http://www.davidpilling.com/speakertime.html Versions for both Windows and RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 4 12:14:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IzKXm-4LRVbs-03-G4n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:14:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IzKXm-4LRVbs-03-G4n; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:17:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IzKXm-4LRVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:17:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IzKXi-0005Bp-Ns for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:17:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE36F7CE909; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09622-01; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CE3E7CE5E7; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:14:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 509FB7CD8CC for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09030-02 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 175237CFB47 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IzKUr-0007I0-PQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:14:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:11:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SpeakerTime - new, free, software Message-ID: <4f4ba08c8ajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 322 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eVXiJd3QiqoA:15 a=mwcXMFXGqFkA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=fKTeoBIvAAAA:8 a=0qLeORSmK_XuDWsULNEA:9 a=peHfsdkivX03cA1G85EGOF3UJZ4A:4 a=J70dMskYxoEA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 On 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > It is a long time since I wrote a new piece of software, so you can > conclude that this is trivial. > The program is for meetings at which participants are allocated a > limited time to speak for. > See: > http://www.davidpilling.com/speakertime.html > Versions for both Windows and RISC OS. You may like to advertise this in the games group as a player timer. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 4 12:15:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IzWXo-3B7knw-01-CbH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:15:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IzWXo-3B7knw-01-CbH; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:06:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IzWXo-3B7knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:06:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IzWXm-0002IH-7I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:06:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A38277CEF92; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01064-03; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A0FF7CF1F5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:05:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9F117CEDEC for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00799-07 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A819A7CF0D3 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IzWX6-000HMX-LC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:05:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:09:08 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SpeakerTime - new, free, software Message-ID: <44bde74b4f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tmDFLkpcvtwA:15 a=mwcXMFXGqFkA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=lEtZ_mILDbHxdFPIVtQA:9 a=jRWimcjZVY61uALnXbtPkISFWTwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message David Pilling wrote: >Hi, > >It is a long time since I wrote a new piece of software, so you can >conclude that this is trivial. Not too trivial... > >The program is for meetings at which participants are allocated a >limited time to speak for. It was made for me..... I never know when to shut up;-) David > >See: > >http://www.davidpilling.com/speakertime.html > >Versions for both Windows and RISC OS. > > -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 6 22:14:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0Ouq-29y000-01-9NL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:14:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0Ouq-29y000-01-9NL; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:09:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0Ouq-29y000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:09:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0Oup-0003KL-Bp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:09:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3F727D45A3; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26807-02; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60FA27D46DF; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:09:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2EAE7D45A3 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26670-05 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 248E97D4565 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071206220936.ULUA25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:09:36 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20071206221002.KBSV26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:10:02 +0000 Message-ID: <00d201c83854$a00e28f0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Setting the date/time when DDL dropped into Ovation Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:09:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C83854.9EAD3960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ffn86aHo4QYA:15 a=YHY-DYq7rM4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=WLdQjcmQS9YzAiDi7-4A:9 a=T3k0m5MpduP0PjU-dNLz8OsikZwA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 a=b5yZoSHWjHC2oU5W7_MA:9 a=skBRlGlD8ryzISbZu38A:7 a=1P04WgLXKv6SCCJhFFebvTDHlIoA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C83854.9EAD3960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, David, I often create documents on my Iyonix by dropping program-generated DDL = files into "templates" consisting of existing OvationPro documents. = Saving the document as a new file works OK. If, however, I save it to = overwrite a previous document, I get a warning that the file on disk is = newer than the file in memory - presumably because the file on disk is = newer than the "template". When I drop the DDL file into the Ovation Pro "template", an asterisk is = added to the title bar, so it registers that the document has been = updated but from the message I get when saving, I deduce that the = date/time of the update is not recorded correctly. It's only a minor = problem (it's been like that for years but I never got round to = mentioning it!) but if you could add it your little list of such, it = would be appreciated. Unless, of course, it's a feature??? Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C83854.9EAD3960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, David,
 
I often create documents on my Iyonix = by dropping=20 program-generated DDL files into "templates" consisting of existing = OvationPro=20 documents.  Saving the document as a new file works OK.  = If,=20 however, I save it to overwrite a previous document, I get a warning = that the=20 file on disk is newer than the file in memory - presumably because the = file on=20 disk is newer than the "template".
 
When I drop the DDL file into the = Ovation Pro=20 "template", an asterisk is added to the title bar, so it registers that = the=20 document has been updated but from the message I get when saving, I = deduce that=20 the date/time of the update is not recorded correctly.  = It's only a=20 minor problem (it's been like that for years but I never got = round to=20 mentioning it!) but if you could add it your little list of such, it = would be=20 appreciated.  Unless, of course, it's a feature???
 
Regards
John Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C83854.9EAD3960-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 12:42:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0PHf-41E000-04-90W.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:42:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0PHf-41E000-04-90W; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:33:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0PHf-41E000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:33:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0PHe-0003Ko-GK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:33:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9D4D7D4332; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31121-08; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9849B7D4480; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FF4A7D4332 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30920-04 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07EE37D425B for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J0PGy-0002oA-5w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:31:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Setting the date/time when DDL dropped into Ovation References: <00d201c83854$a00e28f0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <00d201c83854$a00e28f0$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=I5sWHQXHEbYA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=Eab5kHjYSqx2c3reo2gA:9 a=tJcO2UHV6mzgAkhOP8wTBXKgKhIA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <00d201c83854$a00e28f0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan=20 writes >I often create documents on my Iyonix by dropping program-generated DDL >files into "templates" consisting of existing OvationPro documents.=A0 Sav= ing the >document=A0as a new file works OK.=A0 If, however, I save it to overwrite = a previous >document, I get a warning that the file on disk is newer than the file in = memory >- presumably because the file on disk is newer than the "template". >=A0 >When I drop the DDL file into the Ovation Pro "template", an asterisk is a= dded >to the title bar, so it registers that the document has been updated but f= rom the >message I get when saving, I deduce that the date/time of the update is not >recorded correctly.=A0 It's=A0only a minor problem=A0(it's been like that = for years=A0but I >never got round to mentioning it!) but if you could add it your little lis= t of such, >it would be appreciated.=A0 Unless, of course, it's a feature??? As they say, that's a feature not a bug. Firstly you are talking about=20 the overwrite applet - in other words something that you added to=20 Ovation Pro. The applet has a menu that lets you change the warnings=20 that are given. The idea of this particular warning is to stop you clobbering the latest=20 version of a document by taking an older version and editing it. That=20 was a mistake I occasionally made in the past. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 12:42:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0QmF-3BSVbs-03-G2S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:42:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0QmF-3BSVbs-03-G2S; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:09:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0QmF-3BSVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:09:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0QmD-00047Z-1L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:09:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A672F7D4655; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18927-01; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 372667D460C; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:08:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E66FF7D4240 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18672-03 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8293D7D4483 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071207000844.WINB25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:08:44 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20071207000910.LNWB26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:09:10 +0000 Message-ID: <00da01c83865$447bb730$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <00d201c83854$a00e28f0$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Setting the date/time when DDL dropped into Ovation Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:08:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 326 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ffn86aHo4QYA:15 a=I5sWHQXHEbYA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=bAQvJDmYTA5NH16EOrUA:9 a=zg4ILee_tADZ0pJqXnxgZOTaKmwA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 > From: "David Pilling" >To: > > In message <00d201c83854$a00e28f0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan > writes > >I often create documents on my Iyonix by dropping program-generated DDL > >files into "templates" consisting of existing OvationPro documents. > >Saving the > >document as a new file works OK. If, however, I save it to overwrite a > >previous > >document, I get a warning that the file on disk is newer than the file in > >memory > >- presumably because the file on disk is newer than the "template". > > As they say, that's a feature not a bug. Firstly you are talking about the > overwrite applet - in other words something that you added to Ovation Pro. > The applet has a menu that lets you change the warnings that are given. > > The idea of this particular warning is to stop you clobbering the latest > version of a document by taking an older version and editing it. That was > a mistake I occasionally made in the past. Thanks, David, I see that I had misunderstood the purpose of the applet. I was thinking it behaved more along the lines of the "Newer" filer option. Thanks for the explanation. Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 17:02:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0gSH-0EG000-07-8sw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:02:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0gSH-0EG000-07-8sw; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:53:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0gSH-0EG000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:53:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0gS9-0006h8-SX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:53:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A79C7D4D51; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21926-06; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 027827D5274; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:46:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 454FD7D4D51 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21782-03 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 667A57D3DF8 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:45:40 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 645179479-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.154.244 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HANIHWUdYaZr0/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 88-105-154-244.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.154.244]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2007 16:43:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:43:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) Message-ID: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=x075kdyIQd4A:15 a=firi43NHzrsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Xl-iRWoHsOCxinIiy9oA:9 a=-56PEgKgSuZeTtuTc0nCsYvKlWkA:4 a=sNEyDEdYjLsA:10 Gordon Bennett! Boys and Girls. I've been attempting to finalise a graphic and text document this afternoon, and I've spent hours (About two hours longer than I wanted) making adjustments to thin lines, because once you've made them thin, even at 999 Magnification it's damnable difficult to pick them up (Hilight 'em). Yes I'm aware the obvious answer, leave them thicker until the final adjustments, but some of them just have to be made thin to get the positioning finalised. Any useful tips how to pick up ******* thin lines that just won't pick up. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 17:12:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0gk8-2z4000-04-8b5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:12:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0gk8-2z4000-04-8b5; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0gk8-2z4000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0gk1-0005bd-B2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7345A7D5CB9; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24914-07; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29D187D5899; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:10:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A720D7D5CB9 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24642-06 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D57D17D3F4D for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J0gik-0004NI-2S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:10:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:09:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=Wz2ow26ERYay1n2wTSMA:9 a=ZsH0Q0GJ0K5-4SY13esA:7 a=NX1UpIOnGJPkPQJxA_Cu4RVcag8A:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Any useful tips how to pick up ******* thin lines that just won't pick up. There is Edit->Select all, or hold down shift and control with the select tool, this draws a box, and anything inside the box is selected on releasing the mouse button. Thin lines are not desirable for serious printing - because a "thin" line renders as one pixel wide on the destination device, and on a decent printer that is going to be invisible. If you can I would select all the lines - maybe use "Select all" then deselect the items which are not lines. Then F7 - modify object and set all the thickness for all the lines to non-thin in one fell swoop. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 19:12:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0iU6-4Miknw-04-FNd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:12:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0iU6-4Miknw-04-FNd; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:03:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0iU6-4Miknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:03:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0iU4-0005Sc-Fq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 550247D5A5F; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16805-10; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EECCC7D5A22; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:02:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D54CB7D5903 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16676-10 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6099C7D58F6 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 99714 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2007 19:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.156.34.127 with plain) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2007 19:02:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9vt44dUVM1nrWUv2.SkcHd7uyz9O5LGIKa_7ipKfW.lyCHr5_7QD0AjRXXL0lgLePAoFDwAwQNVSclqla0NVMWx29pUPCPiKPEDF3lL1SY8RxN27 Message-ID: <475998D8.1020904@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:02:48 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gjjzeQ5Gf8QA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=rkpXG6iH_4B-KniaeHEA:9 a=Cafgzr6fEJOikoJ5A7oA:7 a=dI7fF8GQb2jONjM4vlbDrnGPaiAA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes >> Any useful tips how to pick up ******* thin lines that just won't pick >> up. > > There is Edit->Select all, or hold down shift and control with the > select tool, this draws a box, and anything inside the box is selected > on releasing the mouse button. > > Thin lines are not desirable for serious printing - because a "thin" > line renders as one pixel wide on the destination device, and on a > decent printer that is going to be invisible. > > If you can I would select all the lines - maybe use "Select all" then > deselect the items which are not lines. Then F7 - modify object and set > all the thickness for all the lines to non-thin in one fell swoop. > I seem to remember provoking a discussion about this a while back. Should still be in the archives. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clive Bonsall, School of History, Classics, and Archaeology, University of Edinburgh, Old High School, Infirmary Street, Edinburgh EH1 1LT, UK. Email: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/arch/clivebonsall/ Phone: (0131) 650 2375 / 666 0262 Fax: (0131) 650 2378 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 19:33:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0ivD-0RRknw-05-EwW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:33:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0ivD-0RRknw-05-EwW; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:31:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0ivD-0RRknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:31:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0ivD-0002fL-8G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:31:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A463D7D52A0; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19764-10; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53A1D7D55C9; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18A447D52A0 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19681-05 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E88D7D4F90 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:30:56 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 645247283-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.154.244 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAEIuWUdYaZr0/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 88-105-154-244.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.154.244]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2007 19:30:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) Message-ID: <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=x075kdyIQd4A:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=JJQsqCI3x07ACCMxUYAA:9 a=anWuA0AZhMJbDSignhMA:7 a=l_yzUl7ZymBk4ohuTfA65TKKhzoA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >Any useful tips how to pick up ******* thin lines that just won't pick > >up. > There is Edit->Select all, or hold down shift and control with the > select tool, this draws a box, and anything inside the box is selected > on releasing the mouse button. > Thin lines are not desirable for serious printing - because a "thin" > line renders as one pixel wide on the destination device, and on a > decent printer that is going to be invisible. > If you can I would select all the lines - maybe use "Select all" then > deselect the items which are not lines. Then F7 - modify object and set > all the thickness for all the lines to non-thin in one fell swoop. Thanks for getting back. I was trying the "...hold down shift and control with the select tool" but it wasn't doing anything. However your posting has prompted me to try again, and I see my problem... I wasn't dragging a large enough area outside the line object... I'm used to using Draw where you only need a little drag over an onject to select it. I'm aware of the catch with thin lines, and normally don't use them, and most of the line work in the document is .25 or larger, but there were a number of lines that absolutely had to be as thin as possible, and as I mentioned in my posting, I did keep them at a larger size until it came time for the final positioning, but then they had to be smalled down. While on the subject of moving things, is there an OvPro for Win version of the "NudgePal" applet? Thanks Dave S PS: Not a great lover of Ctrl A in such cases as it's to easy to miss some elements when deselecting, and have some nasty accidents. D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 19:43:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0j2y-4V4knw-07-Eol.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:43:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0j2y-4V4knw-07-Eol; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:39:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0j2y-4V4knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:39:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0j2y-0007l3-8E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:39:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF7507D5861; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20349-01; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64F5B7D568D; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:39:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E45287D580A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20199-03 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D8FD7D5713 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071207193921.PERL1988.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:39:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [82.31.186.136]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071207193915.YCFB17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:39:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4759A14F.9000208@ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:38:55 +0000 From: John Charman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WNZ94VMANpwA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Sj_K3TSwczna4Iucub0A:9 a=eQAV0jKvYonrS54pV--b36-NaEgA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Sorry to hijack this list but if you are reading this it is odds on you are using OvPro for windows. Are you also using Thunderbird as your email client. If you are could some kind soul please tell me what the default setting for the 'local directory' is in account settings. I have changed mine thinking it would be the folder that things were saved to, but its not it has just lost me all my inboxes. Once again sorry but I am desperate to get the settings back, I have tried restoring the system but that won't do it. JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 7 21:23:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0kaz-4Y8knw-05-DGk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:23:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0kaz-4Y8knw-05-DGk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0kaz-4Y8knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0kav-00051O-2a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD4777D5310; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04577-09; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7623F7D59F1; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:17:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CB317D5310 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04507-01 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 052B17D5409 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J0kZ7-000Bk4-5k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:15:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=P9RwlqxRkwz3NzDy_aI7pTUhkIcA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >I was trying the "...hold down shift and control with the select tool" but >it wasn't doing anything. However your posting has prompted me to try >again, and I see my problem... I wasn't dragging a large enough area >outside the line object... I'm used to using Draw where you only need a >little drag over an onject to select it. ISTR the drag area has to contain the entire object for it to be selected. >While on the subject of moving things, is there an OvPro for Win version of >the "NudgePal" applet? No. But. OPW has some of the functionality built in, if the cursor keys do nothing else they shift things around. If they are in use you can use ALT + cursor keys. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 12:50:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0mrZ-37dknw-03-B0A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:50:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0mrZ-37dknw-03-B0A; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:44:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0mrZ-37dknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:44:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0mrZ-0007LJ-LQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:44:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 122B27D5D4D; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00786-03; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44A77D5D32; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:43:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D539B7D5D4D for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00701-03 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A139F7D5D31 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from br2811.demon.co.uk ([83.105.36.1] helo=[192.168.123.101]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J0mqs-000Ht8-BS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:43:26 +0000 Message-ID: <4759DAA3.5050408@br2811.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:43:31 +0000 From: Brian Hammond User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> <4759A14F.9000208@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4759A14F.9000208@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian@br2811.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nOE0xQZiGtwA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=nDVuHn13Ix6-ZJ6wzHcA:9 a=6BJFY9jIKbHF1nuegU5jV_yxk6QA:4 a=M5NflSamuk0A:10 Dear John, Sorry about your plight. Mine is called Local Folders without any speechmarks. Hope this helps, Brian Hammond John Charman wrote: > Sorry to hijack this list but if you are reading this it is odds on > you are using OvPro for windows. > > Are you also using Thunderbird as your email client. > > If you are could some kind soul please tell me what the default > setting for the 'local directory' is in account settings. > > I have changed mine thinking it would be the folder that things were > saved to, but its not it has just lost me all my inboxes. > > Once again sorry but I am desperate to get the settings back, I have > tried restoring the system but that won't do it. > > JayCee > > From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 12:50:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0sof-12hVbs-04-DZa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:50:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0sof-12hVbs-04-DZa; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:05:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0sof-12hVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:05:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0sof-0003va-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:05:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 680B27D57C9; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29639-09; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 153467D5799; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44F497D54F9 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29486-09 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 056187D553F for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb-87-81-129-130.ukonline.co.uk ([87.81.129.130] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1J0sny-000Mql-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:04:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 06:04:48 +0000 From: Dave Morrell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4759A14F.9000208@ntlworld.com> References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> <4759A14F.9000208@ntlworld.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28o (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 334 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dmorrell@ukonline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=t-VF_4qrqwQA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=heiJeZV6VMnMw4A9TQUA:9 a=srTATVO9gYQ4WCaf5irM9hZWBW8A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 John Charman wrote: > Sorry to hijack this list but if you are reading this it is odds on you > are using OvPro for windows. > > Are you also using Thunderbird as your email client. > > If you are could some kind soul please tell me what the default setting > for the 'local directory' is in account settings. > > I have changed mine thinking it would be the folder that things were saved > to, but its not it has just lost me all my inboxes. > > Once again sorry but I am desperate to get the settings back, I have tried > restoring the system but that won't do it. > > JayCee > Mine is C:\Documents and Settings\Dave Morrell\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\yud314ie.default\Mail Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 12:50:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0wMo-0DgGPo-07-A1R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:52:39 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.57.237]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20071208095238.DSWX219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:52:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:34:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 335 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kxwIa6o87mkA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=hN08dFLuHZJ2S618qcsA:9 a=qvz9V99Vqk6YTBrhrgQA:7 a=Y1mRn1MkTtbdce94-Y_0k60W6FoA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In on Fri 07 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > > writes > > >Any useful tips how to pick up ******* thin lines that just won't pick > > >up. > > > There is Edit->Select all, or hold down shift and control with the > > select tool, this draws a box, and anything inside the box is selected > > on releasing the mouse button. > > > Thin lines are not desirable for serious printing - because a "thin" > > line renders as one pixel wide on the destination device, and on a > > decent printer that is going to be invisible. > > > If you can I would select all the lines - maybe use "Select all" then > > deselect the items which are not lines. Then F7 - modify object and set > > all the thickness for all the lines to non-thin in one fell swoop. > > Thanks for getting back. > I was trying the "...hold down shift and control with the select tool" but > it wasn't doing anything. However your posting has prompted me to try > again, and I see my problem... I wasn't dragging a large enough area > outside the line object... I'm used to using Draw where you only need a > little drag over an onject to select it. > > I'm aware of the catch with thin lines, and normally don't use them, and > most of the line work in the document is .25 or larger, but there were a > number of lines that absolutely had to be as thin as possible, and as I > mentioned in my posting, I did keep them at a larger size until it came > time for the final positioning, but then they had to be smalled down. I would still avoid using the Thin option - you can certainly set the thickness down to 0.13pt (approx 1/554" - or close to Thin on a 600 dpi printer) but it will not reduce to 1/2500" if you ever print it to a 2500dpi imagesetter. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 12:50:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0wQe-0KGGPo-07-9xb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:50:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0wQe-0KGGPo-07-9xb; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:57:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0wQe-0KGGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:57:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0wQd-0004o8-Kq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:57:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3064B7D52EB; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01294-03; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8A4A7D4856; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:56:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D0DA7D52EB for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01176-10 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F30EF7D53D4 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 04:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([78.150.145.44]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 09:56:17 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP Subject: [softwarelist] Default border thickness in OvPro for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:58:42 GMT Message-ID: <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Z3t0VJew_MEA:15 a=OpwLndhsiUMA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=0vzsZPugY8YuMZJCI50A:9 a=IXflnCW5R9hoKVuhHlUA:7 a=4xm57qo8mU4mo66SzimkOXQbEzgA:4 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Hi All, The default thickness for borders in OvPro (RISC OS) is 1mm. Is there any way to change this - I haven't yet found one. By far the easiest way to have parallel horizontal lines is a frame with top and bottom borders (say around a sub-heading); a master page with 0.25mm top and bottom borders separates off the main text from header and footer; etc Line thickness default can be altered, but apparently not border thickness. Have I missed something; if not can it be put on the Wish List? Regards Roger Foden -- roger@red-squirrel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 12:50:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J0ylc-2yJ000-04-G99.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:50:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J0ylc-2yJ000-04-G99; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:26:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J0ylc-2yJ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:26:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J0ylb-0005yY-Oc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:26:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 390617D5A76; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26848-06; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E2A7D5913; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 07:26:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E0F07D57E4 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26636-07 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 365467D5783 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 636579561-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.240.198 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAJ4cWkdYafDG/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 88-105-240-198.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.240.198]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 12:25:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:11:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) Message-ID: <4f4df7520ddfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 337 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yd_mJLRe3WAA:15 a=firi43NHzrsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Z4EPn6_mwdnF1c3V3Q0A:9 a=uPda2MqISGnIsql-A6UA:7 a=OdjmerRfx5AN6wh6zGcgfnDjEmwA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >I was trying the "...hold down shift and control with the select tool" > >but it wasn't doing anything. However your posting has prompted me to > >try again, and I see my problem... I wasn't dragging a large enough > >area outside the line object... I'm used to using Draw where you only > >need a little drag over an object to select it. > ISTR the drag area has to contain the entire object for it to be > selected. > >While on the subject of moving things, is there an OvPro for Win > >version of the "NudgePal" applet? > No. But. OPW has some of the functionality built in, if the cursor keys > do nothing else they shift things around. If they are in use you can use > ALT + cursor keys. Mnnn! good thought, but confusion reigns, you can get there in the end if you can follow below... ;-) Cursor key plus (Select) Mouse will move frame nodes, but will not move the whole frame for fine positioning. Alt + Cursor key will move the whole frame. If MouseKeys are active, then mouse + Numeric keys cursors will move the whole frame... and will also move the nodes, giving an additional advantage over plain cursor keys of diagonal movement. (1,3,7,9) on a standard numeric keypad and often 7,9,J,L on a Laptop keypad if it doesn't have a separate numeric keypad. Cursor key + Mouse will not move nodes in a selected drawn line, but cursor keys alone will move a selected line. If MS MouseKeys are active, then Mouse + Numeric keys cursors will move line nodes, and move whole line (including diagonally). Dave S PS: MouseKeys is part of the Disability/Ease of access engine in Windows, by default it's usually off, but can easily be turned on. D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 15:00:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J111I-20wknw-01-DtT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:00:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J111I-20wknw-01-DtT; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:51:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J111I-20wknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:51:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J111I-00065M-7j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:51:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B284E7D4B9D; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20019-04-11; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BAED7D4D97; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:50:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 208297D4B9D for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19790-10 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E29CB7D4C3E for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J110Z-000Al3-20 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:50:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:48:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default border thickness in OvPro for RISC OS References: <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> In-Reply-To: <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 338 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=wPHHMNCvXsUA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=FmfpxalfeWLQ5Sn2-yIA:9 a=LTeE8iNMcxOP-nFI8ogA:7 a=I1FO25AAUd5J0iONaEEtG4dty1wA:4 a=RwzhgB4XzegA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com>, Roger Foden writes >The default thickness for borders in OvPro (RISC OS) is 1mm. >Is there any way to change this - I haven't yet found one. I'm a little surprised, but no, there is no way to configure this. It is hard wired into the code - of course that does mean you could find the word in !RunImage and change it. >By far the easiest way to have parallel horizontal lines is a frame >with top and bottom borders (say around a sub-heading); a master page >with 0.25mm top and bottom borders separates off the main text from >header and footer; etc You can embed lines in the text flow. I suppose that is a way of getting horizontal rule offs, and embedded lines will move with the text. Beyond that I'd say use lines rather than frames if you can. Frames carry an overhead of text flow and so are less efficient. A good way of working is to have "template" objects, i.e. things which you copy when you want to create a particular thing. I'll give you an example, I often scan paper forms into OP, I then put lots of text frames on top of them where I am supposed to fill in stuff. I fill in the form and print it out - saving me and the world from my handwriting. These text frames need to have transparent fill colour, no text inset, no text repulsion, vertically centred text, and horizontally centred text. The temptation is to keep creating objects like this from scratch, which is tedious. Much easier is to create one such object, then use ALT+SHIFT drag and drop to make copies where you want. As an alternative have a document containing items, and either drag and drop them or copy them via the clipboard. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 15:10:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J11DA-12zVbs-06-Dhb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:10:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J11DA-12zVbs-06-Dhb; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:03:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J11DA-12zVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:03:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J11D6-0007dO-Nr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:03:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75AD77D4E58; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22915-08; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B72C7D5571; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 505FF7D4E58 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22574-08 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D5037D5182 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J11CK-0003gR-PY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:02:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:01:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4df7520ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f4df7520ddfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 339 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=pybP_Gk2iw-DI0vyKKcA:9 a=sjmaqPIFt_-N8MX-3lEA:7 a=MwWD0FxQYp38DM99IPj-rXh4rrkA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <4f4df7520ddfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Mnnn! good thought, but confusion reigns, you can get there in the end if >you can follow below... ;-) There are several levels. (1) OPW built in feature - ALT plus cursor keys move objects, sometimes ALT is not necessary. (2) OPW built in feature, when a drag is taking place it is possible to use the cursor keys to move the pointer in small steps. Now there do appear to be some short comings in this feature. A long click drag (which moves a whole frame) can use the cursor keys, but a control right click drag (which is an alternative way of moving frames) can't - until you release control. (3) Mousekeys Windows functionality for emulating the mouse using keys, *should* just replace the normal mouse in the above. (for RISC OS, see my free KeyFix program which does the same: http://www.davidpilling.com/keyfix.zip) >Cursor key plus (Select) Mouse will move frame nodes, but will not move >the whole frame for fine positioning. As you may gather from (2) I don't agree with this. >Cursor key + Mouse will not move nodes in a selected drawn line Nope, that works for me. Be careful to start a drag before using the cursor keys. >PS: MouseKeys is part of the Disability/Ease of access engine in Windows, >by default it's usually off, but can easily be turned on. Which reminds me that sometimes I have pressed shift five times (oh no, not that) whilst thinking. Takes ages to get things back to normal. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 16:10:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J12FM-0qCVbs-04-CfP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:10:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J12FM-0qCVbs-04-CfP; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J12FM-0qCVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J12FM-0007Fs-Fn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1CB07D5731; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05093-01-2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 631727D52C6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C4D57D5227 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04852-06 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1423E7D4774 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([78.150.145.44]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 16:09:01 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default border thickness in OvPro for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:11:23 GMT Message-ID: References: <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 340 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Z3t0VJew_MEA:15 a=wPHHMNCvXsUA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=fssL4FWcL8Nk371KwoEA:9 a=zSsEpNDIUtWwPzCtk-sA:7 a=-qiRhUGSlyPHESz6XuGuAV45_eUA:4 a=RwzhgB4XzegA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com>, Roger Foden > writes >>The default thickness for borders in OvPro (RISC OS) is 1mm. >>Is there any way to change this - I haven't yet found one. > I'm a little surprised, but no, there is no way to configure this. It is > hard wired into the code - of course that does mean you could find the > word in !RunImage and change it. I suspect it would be rather easier for you to find the word than it would be for me (and that's intended as a compliment)! >>By far the easiest way to have parallel horizontal lines is a frame >>with top and bottom borders (say around a sub-heading); a master page >>with 0.25mm top and bottom borders separates off the main text from >>header and footer; etc > You can embed lines in the text flow. I suppose that is a way of getting > horizontal rule offs, and embedded lines will move with the text. I don't want the lines to move with the text; the sub-heading would be at the top of the page. > Beyond that I'd say use lines rather than frames if you can. Frames > carry an overhead of text flow and so are less efficient. > A good way of working is to have "template" objects, i.e. things which > you copy when you want to create a particular thing. > I'll give you an example, I often scan paper forms into OP, I then put > lots of text frames on top of them where I am supposed to fill in stuff. > I fill in the form and print it out - saving me and the world from my > handwriting. > These text frames need to have transparent fill colour, no text inset, > no text repulsion, vertically centred text, and horizontally centred > text. The temptation is to keep creating objects like this from scratch, > which is tedious. > Much easier is to create one such object, then use ALT+SHIFT drag and > drop to make copies where you want. > As an alternative have a document containing items, and either drag and > drop them or copy them via the clipboard. Thanks for that, David (Alt+Shift Drag). I'd not realised until now that one could copy a frame within a document that way. I've also found: Alt+Shift Drag _moves_ a frame between documents. Alt Drag _copies_ a frame between documents. Alt Drag can move a frame across pages within a document. Alt+Shift Drag can copy a frame across pages within a document. (And having just done a RTFM I can't find that information!) Regards Roger -- roger@red-squirrel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 8 17:00:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J131O-1u3knw-05-BtN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:00:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J131O-1u3knw-05-BtN; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:59:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J131O-1u3knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:59:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J131O-0003p2-62 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:59:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A57907D5365; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16165-05; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B1677D55F5; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:58:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F7EF7D5365 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15890-06 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0C4F7D5253 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J130h-0002Os-OL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:58:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:57:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default border thickness in OvPro for RISC OS References: <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=wPHHMNCvXsUA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=croUriM_L2DwKc46Qga3H_00OSIA:4 a=RwzhgB4XzegA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message , Roger Foden writes >Thanks for that, David (Alt+Shift Drag). I'd not realised until now >that one could copy a frame within a document that way. >(And having just done a RTFM I can't find that information!) Page 100, chapter 8. Also, you can drag and drop text selections (3.8, p31) and pictures (10.8, p139) Summarised in Appendix E. It has always intrigued me that whilst there is a very popular feature to move frames within a page, it is really redundant in the light of the drag and drop features. Probably there are people labouring away with the clipboard when they could do things much more easily with drag and drop. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 9 17:19:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J183k-2rG000-01-FNX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:19:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J183k-2rG000-01-FNX; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J183k-2rG000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J183k-0003ad-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01D3B7D51F0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23036-01; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A36FA7D51D0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DAB67D526B for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22769-06 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F1357D4FC0 for ; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:21:26 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 656659229-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.240.120 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAOamWkdYafB4/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 88-105-240-120.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.240.120]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Dec 2007 22:21:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:02:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) Message-ID: <4f4e2d71e1dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f4d8c6098dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4d9a9278dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f4df7520ddfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 342 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bmGGkm2AXG0A:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=df3bE75RfO43PlLsnAEA:9 a=BTiLZZutjWgA8Tgcn8AOdlxY_IoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snippy] > >Cursor key plus (Select) Mouse will move frame nodes, but will not move > >the whole frame for fine positioning. > As you may gather from (2) I don't agree with this. > >Cursor key + Mouse will not move nodes in a selected drawn line > Nope, that works for me. Be careful to start a drag before using the > cursor keys. After reading item 2 in your reply, I can now get both to work, because I didn't realise you had to get it started before the Cursor keys would work. David, Thanks for the info. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 9 17:19:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1IfN-01M000-04-DIQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:19:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1IfN-01M000-04-DIQ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:41:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1IfN-01M000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:41:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1IfM-0006Ho-Pe for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:41:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 398BC7D5112; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14380-09; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD3CD7D5368; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 04:41:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CCB67D5112 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14252-06 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44FC67D49EC for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 04:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([78.150.145.44]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2007 09:40:58 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Default border thickness in OvPro for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:43:15 GMT Message-ID: <0d906d4e4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> References: <2624eb4d4f.roger@roger.red-squirrel.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Z3t0VJew_MEA:15 a=wPHHMNCvXsUA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Dj622u0SYeSwAJTZSUAA:9 a=qvao0CmKCSNpIzUXpkN0oxImMsYA:4 a=RwzhgB4XzegA:10 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Foden > writes >>Thanks for that, David (Alt+Shift Drag). I'd not realised until now >>that one could copy a frame within a document that way. >>(And having just done a RTFM I can't find that information!) > Page 100, chapter 8. > Also, you can drag and drop text selections (3.8, p31) and pictures > (10.8, p139) > Summarised in Appendix E. > It has always intrigued me that whilst there is a very popular feature > to move frames within a page, it is really redundant in the light of the > drag and drop features. > Probably there are people labouring away with the clipboard when they > could do things much more easily with drag and drop. Yes, I was. Regards Roger -- roger@red-squirrel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 9 21:59:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1U7t-3wk000-07-AMQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:59:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1U7t-3wk000-07-AMQ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:55:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1U7t-3wk000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:55:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1U7t-000683-8M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:55:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B151F7D5DBE; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04915-08; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08F767D5DBD; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:55:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E72F07D5DE0 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04700-01 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AC57D595C for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J1U7C-000OIH-HV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:55:10 +0000 Message-ID: <9i0nMFEwPGXHFwa4@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:53:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 8th. December 2007 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-MRk_5nSR-IA:15 a=loqcI20b6LUA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=iHc0TL02nWnI1PMQB4sA:7 a=hwAINrrye1izLYREGuFEK9SRLTQA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Hi, I've been doing some tinkering with Ovation Pro for RISC OS to make it work better with a couple of clipboard applications - icnclipbrd which lets you copy and paste from the global clipboard into icons, and !clipboard which shows you the contents of the global clipboard. Currently both these are available from Steve Fryatt's web site: http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/ As you may have read in another thread recently, I only sorted out the problems with icnclipbrd thanks to Steve's help. The upgrade to the new version is available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip If you don't use these apps, and particularly if you don't use the global clipboard don't bother upgrading. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 14:31:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1jaX-2Ywknw-01-Bwo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:31:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1jaX-2Ywknw-01-Bwo; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1jaX-2Ywknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1jaW-0006wm-TA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 440DE7D64B7; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27875-04; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE3A97D6571; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE8677D64B7 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27671-02-2 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 824367D6648 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-146-10.as15444.net [82.163.146.10]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBAEPKN1018323 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:25:32 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:25:22 GMT Message-ID: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OF2GQbY5UbcA:15 a=rZ2PKkFXlBYA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=a4bzRPY6slPaewCROU0A:9 a=XHrX5SOfHNuoXI2anTv_msA769cA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I don't have a duplex printer. As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something wrong somewhere? TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 14:41:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1jkY-0UWGPo-03-Bmn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:41:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1jkY-0UWGPo-03-Bmn; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1jkY-0UWGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1jkX-000154-PZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EA017D68F5; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29960-01; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB2127D67DA; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 758A97D6849 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29744-01 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 292B67D67DF for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lBAEa4LN021261 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:36:04 GMT In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:37:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=X6JLiGE7FCUA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=FZw9FNPYdDEFqABlP48A:9 a=_i9lxgNfzCRvmGl7vfuI2KrJzi8A:4 a=s6Xk3OyW0jYA:10 a=sTxQBSUFI-gA:10 davidpilling wrote on 08/12/2007 15:01:18: > Which reminds me that sometimes I have pressed shift five times (oh no, > not that) whilst thinking. Takes ages to get things back to normal. > If you mean the FilterKeys thingy, I have suffered from this too. Help is at hand, you can disable it. See :- http://tinyurl.com/2bxuvs Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 15:31:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1kS9-0e3Vbs-07-B5C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:31:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1kS9-0e3Vbs-07-B5C; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1kS9-0e3Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1kS8-0000ON-Uv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 601157D66FD; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09343-02-3; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7641D7D6741; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6671F7D63A5 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09102-09 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0744C7D60DB for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J1kRO-00069C-49 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:17:14 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. Message-ID: References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RXqoWjcY5SsA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=LYgsg7r2wcuWwq1Jcd4A:9 a=CYd3WgJjhiAgEpUwCB0A:7 a=VqUZxwJ91ySkwrV1JDoyZgYpjm0A:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message of 10 Dec, Dr Peter Young wrote: > I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of=20 > mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I=20 > don't have a duplex printer. >=20 > As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time=20 > when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup=20 > appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something=20 > wrong somewhere? I would try putting but one piece of paper in the paper feed tray, myself. After doing the first side the printer should then stop and should restart OK when you turn it over and feed it in again. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 15:51:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1kmX-2OuVbs-01-Ako.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:51:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1kmX-2OuVbs-01-Ako; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:42:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1kmX-2OuVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:42:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1kmW-0002PS-Sm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:42:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CBE07D6941; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13801-09; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 029087D6968; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BDFE7D6941 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13666-10 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C13EA7D68EA for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-146-10.as15444.net [82.163.146.10]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBAFfl2e019349 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:41:48 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:41:20 GMT Message-ID: References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OF2GQbY5UbcA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=XDvclLSp8zKTpBkZmF0A:9 a=xKplCQm2jf3wyjrBqS0A:7 a=MxcfEUtd5PrXu2Kt5L22jJ-Iw1kA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 On 10 Dec 2007 Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 10 Dec, Dr Peter Young wrote: >> I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of >> mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I >> don't have a duplex printer. >> >> As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time >> when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup >> appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something >> wrong somewhere? > I would try putting but one piece of paper in the paper feed tray, > myself. After doing the first side the printer should then stop and > should restart OK when you turn it over and feed it in again. Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd be a bit reluctant to try that. With my previous inkjet any attempt to print on non-existent paper resulted in a foul-up of the whole printing system, needing a hard reset to get out of. I don't know whether that would happen with my current Xerox Phaser, but I don't think I'll try. In the meanwhile, and in case there isn't an "official" solution, I've got a rather circuitous work-round using PrintPDF and then printing "Current page only" from RiScript. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 15:51:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1kmr-2M7000-02-AkU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:51:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1kmr-2M7000-02-AkU; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1kmr-2M7000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1kmr-0002Fr-5x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE6507D699B; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13904-05; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A93A7D69A7; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2ECFB7D699B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13763-02 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDF657D698B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J1kmB-0007CB-42 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:42:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:42:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. Message-ID: <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 349 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PMon9gupPjgA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=tXZ_TqEABJH__BGrGugA:9 a=kUPnw6ifRu3OVjCLZi-izVXPJ1IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of > mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I > don't have a duplex printer. > As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time > when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup > appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something > wrong somewhere? I can't see a way of doing what you want directly from OPro, but in case no one comes up with a better solution, you could use PrintPDF to create a PDF file, then use the double-sided facility of !PDF to print the odd then even pages. Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 16:21:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1lLQ-4fpVbs-01-ABv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:21:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1lLQ-4fpVbs-01-ABv; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:19:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1lLQ-4fpVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:19:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1lLO-0004H1-Nc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:19:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 572A67D5C4F; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23244-08; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 135EF7D5DFE; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 195437D59B6 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23022-06 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB8FC7D5C96 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-146-10.as15444.net [82.163.146.10]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBAGHkER019919 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:17:59 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:08:07 GMT Message-ID: <7ea2144f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 350 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OF2GQbY5UbcA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=--kQcawdqUk7of-MIV8A:9 a=nUCxonqdoruRWBi51JKSQgxEfgAA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 On 10 Dec 2007 Evan Clark wrote: > In article <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of >> mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I >> don't have a duplex printer. >> As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time >> when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup >> appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something >> wrong somewhere? > I can't see a way of doing what you want directly from OPro, but in case > no one comes up with a better solution, you could use PrintPDF to create > a PDF file, then use the double-sided facility of !PDF to print the odd > then even pages. Great minds think alike :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 18:31:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1nP7-0UDknw-04-Gek.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:31:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1nP7-0UDknw-04-Gek; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:30:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1nP7-0UDknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:30:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1nP7-0006wc-5n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:30:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8564B7D6BA8; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29973-06; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D6BE7D6BBA; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 344CA7D6BA8 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29720-06 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0160A7D6B86 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J1nO8-0003Eg-BE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:29:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:28:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=3yq7GHD8-p44cfhdxbYA:9 a=D47NE2ThhGLEUK2XsO8A:7 a=uIaikujmAzZymgB9cvkaelxHVkcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time >when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup >appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something >wrong somewhere? Pause can only work using the "old" RISC OS printing system, "old" here means pre 1991. Some applications have only ever used the "old" system, for example Impression. Others like Draw use the "new" system. Ovation Pro gives you a choice. "Where is that choice!" you cry. Well, it is in Ovation Pro choices ->print->background Page 223, in the book says: "If Background printing is selected then there is no multitasking whilst rendering takes place. However you can use the computer whilst the data is spooled to the printer. (see 12.4 for a full discussion)." Page 176 (12.4) tells the whole tale. The choice is between background operation whilst rendering (lets you pause twixt pages) or background operation whilst the entire print job is fed to the printer. Plan B, would be to use the facility to step through mail merge records and print them one by one. Depends how many pages you're going to print. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 18:41:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1nRW-4Kp000-01-GcL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:41:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1nRW-4Kp000-01-GcL; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1nRW-4Kp000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1nRV-000614-Lk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:33:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AE207D6C20; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30769-02; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0F277D6C1B; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E90B17D6B62 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30543-05 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5A7E7D6BB3 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2ABFE1C00083 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:32:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5447a593.wfd86b.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.165.147]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E48A61C00082 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:32:43 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071210183243936.E48A61C00082@mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:32:42 GMT Message-ID: References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uDKXzUVsPqcA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=--kQcawdqUk7of-MIV8A:9 a=-wWezOLwYgz-VekN0c8A:7 a=6qhGiauSw9YL88U0x62mZLVWcU0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> Evan Clark wrote: > In article <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of >> mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I >> don't have a duplex printer. >> As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time >> when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup >> appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something >> wrong somewhere? > I can't see a way of doing what you want directly from OPro, but in case > no one comes up with a better solution, you could use PrintPDF to create > a PDF file, then use the double-sided facility of !PDF to print the odd > then even pages. You can do it, but you need to use both the Print and Mailmerge dialogues. In Print, select just page 1. Click Set to make the setting remembered. Close Print. Open Mailmerge, add the csv file, click Set, then click Print. For the second side, use the Print dialog, and select page 2, click Set. Use mailmerge, click Print. The important, and not necessarily obvious bit, is the Set buttons. Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 18:51:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1nex-19yknw-04-GOu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:51:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1nex-19yknw-04-GOu; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:47:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1nex-19yknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:47:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1new-0006gb-Td for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:47:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14E3E7D6C9E; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02082-02; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9FB47D6CA8; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:46:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CF487D6475 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01846-05 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 192017D6927 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J1neF-0007XD-Pd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:46:36 +0000 Message-ID: <+9FXblC0kYXHFwa6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:45:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thin lines in OvPro (Windows version) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 353 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=G0a4LIB5PH4A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=VKG-wKi1LZcS6VoT4XNqGBg00zEA:4 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=s6Xk3OyW0jYA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message , Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes >If you mean the FilterKeys thingy, I have suffered from this too. >Help is at hand, you can disable it. See :- Sticky keys. Do you know I've turned it off, and whilst writing this reply I bashed SHIFT a few times and it still popped up. The problem has been getting into a state where SHIFT is enabled and there being no way out of it. Anyway that URL you sent (http://tinyurl.com/2bxuvs) looks interesting, an interesting web site altogether. I sit here bouncing the fingers of both hands up and down on the SHIFT keys whilst waiting for inspiration. It is a sound effect akin to an ASR 33 teletype, you'd not want to be in the next cube. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 19:51:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1odg-2JOknw-07-FQB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:51:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1odg-2JOknw-07-FQB; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:50:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1odg-2JOknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:50:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1odf-0006Zh-At for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:50:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C2F27D69E1; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17281-07; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D98A7D6990; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC4AE7D6A35 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17087-10-2 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E78F7D6A22 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J1ocz-0003Bf-9r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:49:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:49:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. Message-ID: <4f4f28dd08evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xA8Y_d8swGkA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Rz9JZZWldrZY0EeCwUoA:9 a=38680qvZGbqWeG6uLNQA:7 a=4qmFnRe48fDasEjtflGvaW-zQ1IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article , Alan Adams wrote: > In Print, select just page 1. Click Set to make the setting > remembered. Close Print. > Open Mailmerge, add the csv file, click Set, then click Print. > For the second side, use the Print dialog, and select page 2, click > Set. > Use mailmerge, click Print. > The important, and not necessarily obvious bit, is the Set buttons. How cunning, and obvious once pointed out. Clearly from a greater mind than Peter and I ;-) Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 10 21:01:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J1ph4-0QGVbs-08-EMn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:01:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J1ph4-0QGVbs-08-EMn; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:57:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J1ph4-0QGVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:57:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J1ph3-0004bE-0v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:57:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 893357D69DC; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10576-07; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4524D7D6A37; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D69F7D6A0F for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10133-02-24 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBF4D7D6A7A for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J1pgK-000Efx-1O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:56:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:55:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4f4f28dd08evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f4f28dd08evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=3yq7GHD8-p44cfhdxbYA:9 a=AHoZuW6xe1wZ2Zs1AfUA:7 a=WdsVV3UsKNqlfrtkvk5anjsCVZkA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <4f4f28dd08evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark writes >In article , > Alan Adams wrote: > >> In Print, select just page 1. Click Set to make the setting >> remembered. Close Print. >> Open Mailmerge, add the csv file, click Set, then click Print. >How cunning, and obvious once pointed out. >Clearly from a greater mind than Peter and I ;-) This is a specific case of the general method of selecting "print left" (then set) in the Print window and then selecting "print right" etc. etc. just like you do for anything where you want to print left/right (or front/back) pages. The "pause" technique can't be the only way - it does not exist on Windows for example. Thanks to Alan for pointing this out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 11 11:55:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J208l-0nR000-02-CRc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:55:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J208l-0nR000-02-CRc; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:06:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J208l-0nR000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:06:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J208a-0003tS-4X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:06:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FD4A7D71E0; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06667-10; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4EFD7D71DD; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1E3F7D718A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06483-03 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 866307D7151 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-146-10.as15444.net [82.163.146.10]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBB83eeM000847 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:03:56 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro RISC OS Mailmerge problem. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:03:03 GMT Message-ID: References: <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OF2GQbY5UbcA:15 a=yFhNuUBz-7QA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=X8sRGDekP_NIgKAnVwcA:9 a=c0s2vysoWxv-XizHO33y-R4162UA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 On 10 Dec 2007 Alan Adams wrote: > In message <4f4f1242c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> > Evan Clark wrote: >> In article <3f3a0b4f4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, >> Dr Peter Young wrote: >>> I'm trying to print a two-page letter making fairly extensive use of >>> mailmerge, and I want to print this on two sides of the same sheet; I >>> don't have a duplex printer. >>> As far as I can see, there is no way of printing only a side at a time >>> when using mailmerge. In particular, setting "pause" in Print Setup >>> appears to have no effect. Is this really so, or am I doing something >>> wrong somewhere? >> I can't see a way of doing what you want directly from OPro, but in case >> no one comes up with a better solution, you could use PrintPDF to create >> a PDF file, then use the double-sided facility of !PDF to print the odd >> then even pages. > You can do it, but you need to use both the Print and Mailmerge > dialogues. [snip full explanation] That sounds good, and many thanks; I'll give it a go later today. It was beyond my powers of lateral thinking :-) Thanks also to David for explaining about "pause" With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 13 18:47:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J2szz-27bknw-01-8jU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:47:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J2szz-27bknw-01-8jU; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:41:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J2szz-27bknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:41:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J2szz-0006b8-Gr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:41:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22D577D8F57; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31873-02-4; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D06247D8F7D; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:40:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE2F07D8F57 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31587-08-2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D15C7D8EE6 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J2szE-0000tT-PE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:40:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:39:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows TWAIN applet bug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 357 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=ABpJuu0WXf0A:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=3yq7GHD8-p44cfhdxbYA:9 a=rvYlh-DjC16_s3JrxwUA:7 a=5B8BPPP0GaLQ7AY-AFyJS289xjMA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Hi, When a picture is copied in Ovation Pro, a pointer to the original picture is created. This means that if you have a number of copies of a large image in a document, the document occupies only a few bytes more than if it contained just a single copy of the large image. There's a bug though, images imported via the TWAIN applet don't have this property, if you make one copy the amount of memory used is doubled. I've just fixed this problem. You can install the latest version of the TWAIN applet which is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Applets/Twain.oap (double click to install or use install from Applets-> Applet manager) Alternatively you can install the latest version of Ovation Pro (2.92 13th. December 2007) from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 17:09:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J67dU-1M6Vbs-07-CgN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:09:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J67dU-1M6Vbs-07-CgN; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:55:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J67dU-1M6Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:55:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J67dT-0000rd-Cy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:55:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DA167DD742; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30910-08; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67DE77DDBFD; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:54:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E8E77DD742 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30760-05 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56EDB7DD5F8 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J67cl-00072X-MR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:54:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:32:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Another Windows horror story MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=s_wUa8BDvKQA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=3yq7GHD8-p44cfhdxbYA:9 a=QiJCPWYPrvPyD62XilGI6MRRFxUA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] Hi, Last week it became obvious my PC had a virus. I was lucky that it caught something designed to be irritating and promote virus detecting software. I watched what happened and I could find where the rogue code was in Windows. However I could not unhook it from the insides of Windows and neither could the anti virus software I tried. How did this happen? - I'd turned off Windows automatic updates, because I didn't want my computer changing configuration without me knowing about it. I'd also not done many manual updates. I watched Windows explorer crash and shortly thereafter, the virus appear. I presume it activated itself via some shortcoming in IE. I wiped the hard disc and I reinstalled everything. I've now got Windows updates turned on, and a virus scanner installed, and I have a computer that spends most of its time scanning for virus's and doing updates. It is amazing how many automatic updates for Windows there are. No one would sensibly keep up with them manually. I've seen Windows do an update and demand a machine restart twice in five days as soon as I turn the computer on. In my career this is the first virus I've had on a Windows computer, the other few incidents were on RISC OS. The moral is, you can't get away without Windows updates, however careful you are. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 17:54:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J68Rz-3TJVbs-01-Brs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:54:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J68Rz-3TJVbs-01-Brs; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:47:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J68Rz-3TJVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:47:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J68Rz-0005hF-Cj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:47:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 006C97DD070; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04498-10; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4B9A7DD285; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D51117DD070 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04404-07 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B0047DCF92 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J68RF-0001ko-7b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:47:05 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:07 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7QFNe3uAhSkA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=2rYsYVEOaR0EjciQtpsA:9 a=uN3V5fJc8q6Rz8nNLnAA:7 a=uew7k-jH2VSurPGHpe62G93U3P4A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] On 22 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Last week it became obvious my PC had a virus. I was lucky that it > caught something designed to be irritating and promote virus detecting > software. > I watched what happened and I could find where the rogue code was in > Windows. However I could not unhook it from the insides of Windows and > neither could the anti virus software I tried. > How did this happen? - I'd turned off Windows automatic updates, > because I didn't want my computer changing configuration without me > knowing about it. You can tell Windows XP to download updates when available, but not install them without prompting you for permission. This way, if you are doing something and would prefer not to have to restart the PC, you can put of the updates to a time that suits you. Go in to your System Properties, click on the Automatic Updates tab, and chose either of the two middle options - Download but don't install, or notify but don't download until I tell you (paraphrased). -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------- "I'm Brian, and so's my wife..." From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 18:24:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J68ya-4Ru000-02-BLH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:24:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J68ya-4Ru000-02-BLH; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:21:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J68ya-4Ru000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:21:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J68ya-0000Hk-CH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:21:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC3C37DDCCB; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09471-10; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97DE67DD921; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:20:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 686377DD89E for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09354-03 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:20:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 102B07DD812 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C7E3B1C00085 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:20:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5440b4d8.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.180.216]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 69ACE1C00084 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:20:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071222182049432.69ACE1C00084@mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:20:43 GMT Message-ID: <2cce4e554f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KmGsiW8ZPeAA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=5XLrjLWboTjwjEpp5HUA:9 a=U2whd89TWjcJeV5-9VkA:7 a=Yv3tsC944rMsB2eVDGmTq-_VAMUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In message Brian Howlett wrote: > On 22 Dec, David Pilling wrote: >> Last week it became obvious my PC had a virus. I was lucky that it >> caught something designed to be irritating and promote virus detecting >> software. >> I watched what happened and I could find where the rogue code was in >> Windows. However I could not unhook it from the insides of Windows and >> neither could the anti virus software I tried. >> How did this happen? - I'd turned off Windows automatic updates, >> because I didn't want my computer changing configuration without me >> knowing about it. > You can tell Windows XP to download updates when available, but not > install them without prompting you for permission. This way, if you > are doing something and would prefer not to have to restart the PC, > you can put of the updates to a time that suits you. > Go in to your System Properties, click on the Automatic Updates tab, > and chose either of the two middle options - Download but don't > install, or notify but don't download until I tell you (paraphrased). I have a suspicion that you can only then accept the updates if you are running as an Administrator. I could be wrong. However as most Windows users are administrators, it doesn't make much difference. I had to reinstall a PC the other week. First install Windows with SP2. Then run Windows updates - 91 updates to go. After the reboot, two more (for IE7). If I had installed anything which installed .NET 1.1 or .NET 2 there would have been even more. I understand SP3 for XP is coming - it can't be soon enough. Incidentally the .NET automatic updates are a pain - they are the ones which pop up a box saying "This machine will reboot in 5 minutes - do you want to reboot now or later". Most people click later, and are then surprised when the PC reboots at the end of 5 minutes. What puzzles me about this, is that I can't see why it can't wait until shutdown, like all the other updates - if it can wait 5 minutes, why not a bit longer? Fortunately these only seem to come out every 6 months or so (up to now at least). -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 18:54:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J69NO-4DW000-03-AwT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:54:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J69NO-4DW000-03-AwT; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:47:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J69NO-4DW000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:47:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J69NN-0000V0-PW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:47:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 791F37DD180; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15599-06; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38A0E7DD4A8; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:46:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 132A17DD180 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15363-10-4 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71727DC5CD for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:46:22 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 645093209/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.194.83 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.194.83 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAL/pbEdYacJT/2dsb2JhbACBV6gU Received: from 88-105-194-83.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.194.83]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2007 18:46:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:16:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iATrpL7xarwA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=AivPApAm23l1Hsflg-8A:9 a=_t3ELLeLV8RYFEXg6iBO5tFpYpcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Last week it became obvious my PC had a virus. I was lucky that it > caught something designed to be irritating and promote virus detecting > software. > I watched what happened and I could find where the rogue code was in > Windows. However I could not unhook it from the insides of Windows and > neither could the anti virus software I tried. > How did this happen? - I'd turned off Windows automatic updates, because > I didn't want my computer changing configuration without me knowing > about it. I'd also not done many manual updates. > I watched Windows explorer crash and shortly thereafter, the virus > appear. I presume it activated itself via some shortcoming in IE. > I wiped the hard disc and I reinstalled everything. [Snip] > The moral is, you can't get away without Windows updates, however > careful you are. David, I feel uncomfortable asking this of you considering your vast software expertise, (A bit like asking the Pope if he knows about God) but. Before you Wiped and Reinstalled, were you able to identify the offending item, if so, quite often a search of the MS site (Or Google) will bring up a number of manual solutions, like the name of the file(s) to be deleted, and the fix required in the registry to complete the dumping process. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 20:10:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Adv-0gM000-04-9fw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:10:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Adv-0gM000-04-9fw; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:08:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Adv-0gM000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:08:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Adu-0003oW-Vg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:08:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E7A97DE18D; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29801-05; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 487E87DE0E4; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:07:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 246CD7DE0E3 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29549-08 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC8CC7DE14B for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6AdE-000Gpj-8F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:07:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:12:14 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <040459554f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DkR7C4yZ7LkA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=b5gntLxlhiYjiA8gjgwA:9 a=dteYkVfjo0x_5bFwRv_lQ3XfB_gA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In message David Pilling wrote: >Hi, > >Last week it became obvious my PC had a virus. I was lucky that it >caught something designed to be irritating and promote virus detecting >software. [snip] >In my career this is the first virus I've had on a Windows computer, the >other few incidents were on RISC OS. That raises a question here....how does one combat RISC OS viruses? I used to use Pineapple Software's programs but ....... what is in its place? David M > [snip] -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 20:25:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Aqt-30Lknw-02-9Sy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:25:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Aqt-30Lknw-02-9Sy; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Aqt-30Lknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Aqs-0003wR-SV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9D4D7DDD33; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00548-01; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C4BD7DDBF8; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:20:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73FDE7DDBE3 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00385-06 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A5A47DDAA0 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-183-5.as15444.net [82.163.183.5]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBMKKWPU031152 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:20:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:21:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] RO viruses? Message-ID: <4f5559def7john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <040459554f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <040459554f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DOHgyv-X4-AA:15 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=4RS4yEhqAAAA:8 a=oUzmJKdYtPMaGqdjFuUA:9 a=nLeXQL78ej1a1a_p0O22z67c2xgA:4 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] > how does one combat RISC OS viruses? afia there haven't been any for years. > I used to use Pineapple Software's programs but I'm pretty sure I still am - supplied with RO5. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 20:40:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6B0b-3G4knw-02-9JG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:40:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6B0b-3G4knw-02-9JG; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:31:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6B0b-3G4knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:31:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6B0a-0002Da-LB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:31:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27D6A7DD4F1; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02690-06; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F010A7DDCD5; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9B1D7DD4F1 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02352-09-2 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76FDC7DDCAF for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6Azu-0000xz-4W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:31:02 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:35:30 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RO viruses? Message-ID: <42255b554f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <040459554f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4f5559def7john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f5559def7john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EDkwN7U3vgoA:15 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=DMRDq-Mvlih5g7DVB30A:9 a=9thRM3okgF0KuSNR8RgUfNXXu_cA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In message <4f5559def7john@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > >> how does one combat RISC OS viruses? > >afia there haven't been any for years. > >> I used to use Pineapple Software's programs but > >I'm pretty sure I still am - supplied with RO5. But there used to be regular updates... Happy \holiday everyone David M > >John > -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 21:25:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6BgL-09Wknw-06-8dW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:25:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6BgL-09Wknw-06-8dW; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:14:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6BgL-09Wknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:14:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6BgK-0003Rp-HZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:14:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 099C37DDFE0; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13311-06; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 341E17DDF81; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A69557DDE99 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12997-06 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67E5A7DD1E1 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6Bfb-000HCv-02 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:14:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:12:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=fHMS7xsfxvsYwBP-LhoA:9 a=vFJ3jBSr9TSNK1f88EIA:7 a=Nu-Hz1iJX4g45H07MRORStUcle0A:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In message <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Before you Wiped and Reinstalled, were you able to identify the offending >item, if so, quite often a search of the MS site (Or Google) will bring up >a number of manual solutions, like the name of the file(s) to be deleted, >and the fix required in the registry to complete the dumping process. Yes I found what the thing was, but I didn't find a solution on Google. Later I found a news story which pointed to that version only appearing last week. I did have a go at manually removing it but I didn't have much luck, it seemed to have locked all the things one wanted to delete, and even deleting files using another copy of XP just led to them being recreated. I said the anti virus software repeatedly claimed to have fixed things, but had failed. I was happier starting from scratch, even if I'd been able to remove the virus I would have done so. I don't have much experience of these things, hence the story. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 21:55:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6C6B-2FO000-08-GkC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:55:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6C6B-2FO000-08-GkC; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:41:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6C6B-2FO000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:41:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6C6A-0004wJ-VU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:41:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 753DF7DDFCE; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18456-01; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43FEA7DDD3F; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DED67DDE99 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18344-07 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpsmtp-eml16.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml16.kpnxchange.com [213.75.38.116]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CD1A7DDBF8 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtp-eml104.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.104]) by hpsmtp-eml16.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:40:51 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by cpsmtp-eml104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:40:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:41:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f55612d2ePaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2007 21:40:51.0293 (UTC) FILETIME=[528768D0:01C844E3] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1Kef-cUyc30A:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CJbX3Qs5wmvavNai-fcA:9 a=Au9L2O52ZxIjTflvLPlxh9oKki4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In article , David Pilling wrote: > It is amazing how many automatic updates for Windows there are [...] Well, and that is WindowsXP. Don't even think of going Vista, as I bloody did. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 22:10:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6CMB-2gp000-01-GUC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6CMB-2gp000-01-GUC; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:58:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6CMB-2gp000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:58:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6CMB-0003zS-2m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:58:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 976DE7DD800; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21963-02; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AF197DDDFA; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B95597DD800 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21872-06 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 857547DD639 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1J6CLU-0006U3-Jg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:57:24 +0000 Received: from [77.99.208.25] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1J6CLS-00088s-PG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:57:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:56:11 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.flists.73@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3xrTU5iIxSEA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=YQJ2IHZIUboOaJpNdngA:9 a=0fORNtCCjjymxRgt-spAzRtnbLYA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] David Pilling wrote: > I said the anti virus software repeatedly claimed to have fixed things, > but had failed. Which a/v software? Have you reported its inability to the supplier? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 22:10:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6CR6-14rVbs-02-GPH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6CR6-14rVbs-02-GPH; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6CR6-14rVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6CR6-00034Y-3y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AB477DD800; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22630-09; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 242627DD8AE; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:02:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 732A27DDD20 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22439-01 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 246CC7DD800 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:02:29 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 642467980/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.206.52 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.206.52 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAJ4YbUdYac40/2dsb2JhbACBV6gP Received: from 88-105-206-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.206.52]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2007 22:02:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:48:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f5561c999dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f55612d2ePaul@sprie.nl> References: <4f55612d2ePaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OzX7q4ZWIuwA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=wu0zYY2U65JvBG20aaEA:9 a=ICRH9Vkt2TjNeFdFX5vJ1AQg01YA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In article <4f55612d2ePaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > It is amazing how many automatic updates for Windows there are [...] > Well, and that is WindowsXP. > Don't even think of going Vista, as I bloody did. > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Aside from the simple fact that no sane person should go for Vista... Obviously both you and I are insane... :-) I can't say I've noticed that much extra downloading for the Auto updates. Windows Defender is probably the most prolific updater of the set. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 22:10:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6CVL-2V4000-07-GL2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6CVL-2V4000-07-GL2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:07:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6CVL-2V4000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:07:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6CVL-00032b-6H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7E17DD800; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23927-02; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A375A7DDD75; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:06:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D8AF7DDE81 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23637-02 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29A437DDA98 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J6CUZ-0007Vr-5G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:06:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:03:57 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mADAI1XwPzoA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=fr-dNxRfxTWqfSLCztEA:9 a=7xkSdQT9bZ8NzraPc3j-OM_OBJQA:4 a=u2qrtFKDM70A:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In message of 22 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes =20 > writes > >Before you Wiped and Reinstalled, were you able to identify the offend= ing > >item, if so, quite often a search of the MS site (Or Google) will brin= g up > >a number of manual solutions, like the name of the file(s) to be delet= ed, > >and the fix required in the registry to complete the dumping process. >=20 > Yes I found what the thing was, but I didn't find a solution on Google.= =20 > Later I found a news story which pointed to that version only appearing= =20 > last week. Have you any idea how it got onto your machine? Is there a learning point there for the rest of us? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 22:25:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6CXr-31g000-01-GIW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:25:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6CXr-31g000-01-GIW; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6CXr-31g000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6CXq-0006Pa-Gx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:10:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CCC07DDF25; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24581-07; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C91A47DDDD9; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:09:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAA567DDC0A for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20540-01 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DDE37DD625 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBMLqN2e031006 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:52:23 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lBMLqNvR031005; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:52:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: avon.orpheusnet.co.uk: apache set sender to lionels@argonet.co.uk using -f Received: from 82.18.146.135 (SquirrelMail authenticated user bc97) by webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:52:23 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1628.82.18.146.135.1198360343.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:52:23 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story From: "Lionel A Smith" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: WebMail/1.4.10a-1.fc7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 370 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lionels@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1oAHaX8XGesA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=ClQ5Pd2t0Z7PcK_GhIUA:9 a=TEW-5_ioyj699wSP4kgA:7 a=wxTpVF4_RXL8fuw98tjf_a2szH0A:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] > On 22 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >> Last week it became obvious my PC had a virus. I was lucky that it >> caught something designed to be irritating and promote virus detecting >> software. > >> I watched what happened and I could find where the rogue code was in >> Windows. However I could not unhook it from the insides of Windows and >> neither could the anti virus software I tried. > >> How did this happen? - I'd turned off Windows automatic updates, >> because I didn't want my computer changing configuration without me >> knowing about it. > > You can tell Windows XP to download updates when available, but not > install them without prompting you for permission. This way, if you > are doing something and would prefer not to have to restart the PC, > you can put of the updates to a time that suits you. > > Go in to your System Properties, click on the Automatic Updates tab, > and chose either of the two middle options - Download but don't > install, or notify but don't download until I tell you (paraphrased). > -- > Brian Howlett > -------------------------------- > "I'm Brian, and so's my wife..." If you have XP with SP2 you should have Security Center in Control Panel and with a shortcut on the Desktop. Double on the short cut and the selec= t Automatic Updates. From here there are four choices; Automatic, Download and chose when to install, Notify but don't automatically download or install, Turn Off Updates. TBH after years of taking updates I have become increasingly wary of them= . A couple of years ago one update altered the way a printer driver worked disrupting a V important printing session. More recently my networking wa= s knocked out until MS issued a modified version (I had removed the offende= r using Add or Remove Programs with the Update box checked - sometimes a System Restore can be used if that fails). A Novatech laptop I set up by insalling XP Pro myself (a utilities instal= l disc from Novatech caused trouble by clashing with some hardware, which I managed to sort - why do they not test these thing properly) and created = a user account and an administrator account. Trouble here is Nero CD/DVD writing did not write from the user account until I had installed a fix from the Nero support site. Unfortunately a subsequent MS update broke that fix so I now have to once more switch from user account to the admin account to burn discs. B***** MS! Also on a desktop the USB system has changed behaviour WRT removable medi= a over time. Now I have trouble Ejecting media. One used to right click on the drive icon and chose Eject from the drop down, now all that does it cause an hour glass for ages. But another legend now appears in the left pane of the My Computer dialogue inviting 'Eject this disc' which does no= t always work. I dread the next update, and on one machine have turned off for over a month now. Of late I have started to suspect that MS are progressively crippling XP in order to push folk on to that lame duck Vista to which I will not move and lose my film scanner. Lionel From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 22 22:25:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Cgf-21sGPo-05-G9i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:25:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Cgf-21sGPo-05-G9i; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:19:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Cgf-21sGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:19:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Cgf-0006JJ-4y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:19:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EF2E7DD657; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26544-03; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7045E7DDCAD; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CAD17DD16E for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26313-10 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECCC07DD130 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J6Cfv-0007ne-0g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:18:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:17:55 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <7c8564554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NeNIpvwyc1AA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=aB_mwqWbs9PGORuNCWsA:9 a=gBjx9HLzmz9AxFFLsYQA:7 a=ugF6KQvXx4EIb99yxmD2uvmsRMIA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1192] In message of 22 Dec, Jeremy Nicoll - freelists wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >=20 > > I said the anti virus software repeatedly claimed to have fixed thing= s, > > but had failed. >=20 > Which a/v software? >=20 > Have you reported its inability to the supplier? While I have some anti-v software, I sometimes wonder if its repeated accesses to SWMBO's machine is not a recipe for eventual disaster. Why shoudl AVG, for instance, always be in the realms of the Good Boys?=20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 12:18:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6CtX-0rXVbs-03-Fwq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:18:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6CtX-0rXVbs-03-Fwq; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:32:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6CtX-0rXVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:32:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6CtW-0007Bd-Id for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:32:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 186F77DDFA2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29070-01-8; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E20297DDF9E; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:31:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C03097DDDC6 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28874-05 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BC707DDCAD for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J6Cso-0007FO-P4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:31:51 +0000 Message-ID: <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:31:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 372 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=rx7G4s541C0L_8N3DFMA:7 a=Z97QVeYsNmftQUESpW-oFSs0sHYA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >Have you any idea how it got onto your machine? Is there a learning >point there for the rest of us? I believe off a web site. The usual problem is that one looks something up on Google and then jumps off to many web sites. No memory of which they were and not ones that one is familiar with. Such random web sites often throw up all kinds of pop ups and adverts. I'd say the big warning sign was that Internet Explorer crashed - completely. I think that crash was the virus making use of a flaw in IE to install itself. The lesson is keep automatic updates on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 12:18:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6D6Q-1AeVbs-03-Fjx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:18:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6D6Q-1AeVbs-03-Fjx; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:45:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6D6Q-1AeVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:45:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6D6P-0002su-T9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:45:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65C1C7DCCB8; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31839-03; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F4F47DD5C2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E15037DDFDA for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31501-07 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A80EF7DDFB0 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B5C661C000E4 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:45:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5440b4d8.wfd77a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.180.216]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 588031C000E1 for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:45:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071222224510362.588031C000E1@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:44:53 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 373 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KmGsiW8ZPeAA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=37Bs9QnT5oonVjzqruYA:9 a=56cev98anMj81k_ODKgA:7 a=tKpWI70nmKgNOwaYommSdOM2gKcA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe > writes >>Have you any idea how it got onto your machine? Is there a learning >>point there for the rest of us? > I believe off a web site. The usual problem is that one looks something > up on Google and then jumps off to many web sites. No memory of which > they were and not ones that one is familiar with. This is why I use Firefox for everything except Windows Update, which requires IE. Actually I use Oregano 1 for a lot of browsing, which is even more incapable of infecting Windows, as it runs on RISC OS. (Natively, not via VRPC.) To my mind the big advantage of Firefox is that it can't run ActiveX, so a number of possible attacks don't work. It seems to be better at blocking malware from web sites too. > Such random web sites often throw up all kinds of pop ups and adverts. > I'd say the big warning sign was that Internet Explorer crashed - > completely. I think that crash was the virus making use of a flaw in IE > to install itself. Which version of IE? 6 or 7? Just curious, but while IE7 is marked as a critical update, it does require your consent to be installed, so not everyone has done so. > The lesson is keep automatic updates on. Indeed. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 12:18:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6LbD-0gOknw-02-Flg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:18:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6LbD-0gOknw-02-Flg; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:50:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6LbD-0gOknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:50:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6LbD-0001DE-Dr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:50:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBA1F7DD499; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15562-02; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95B547DD12D; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:49:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 785037DD8CE for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15360-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 269E07DD795 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:49:33 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 651421298/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.130.81 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.130.81 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAAiibUdYaYJR/2dsb2JhbACBV6d4 Received: from 88-105-130-81.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.130.81]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2007 07:49:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:41:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f559814c1dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MCIAiuPgGK8A:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=LVnTv1YokO2y-83qjY4A:9 a=uJ_oL3goAHc8DxQWRkUA:7 a=DZl4HikU7bHjmd2rPfD47Vt6-PwA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In article <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe > writes > >Have you any idea how it got onto your machine? Is there a learning > >point there for the rest of us? > I believe off a web site. The usual problem is that one looks something > up on Google and then jumps off to many web sites. No memory of which > they were and not ones that one is familiar with. > Such random web sites often throw up all kinds of pop ups and adverts. > I'd say the big warning sign was that Internet Explorer crashed - > completely. I think that crash was the virus making use of a flaw in IE > to install itself. > The lesson is keep automatic updates on. The second lesson if I may... Don't use *!@***** Internet Explorer for general day to day use. Windows updates are the only time MIE gets a use on my machines. I did once have a Firefox extension that allowed the updates to be done via Firefox, but at one point MS fiddled something on their update site and the extension wouldn't work, but that was some time ago, so I don't know the state of play ATM. There are still some applications, that when you click on Help, or an Update check, immediately fire up MIE, at which point I stop the browser, then copy and paste the URL to Firefox. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 12:18:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6MTq-09u000-04-Et3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:18:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6MTq-09u000-04-Et3; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:46:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6MTq-09u000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:46:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6MTp-00053s-SA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:46:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 467DC7DD29E; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25998-06; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 103CE7DD939; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 516117DD29E for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25730-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx5.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03FF17DD250 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx5.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1J6MSy-0002Yd-Aa for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:45:48 +1300 Received: from 60-234-230-103.bitstream.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.230.103] helo=[10.1.1.2]) by mx5.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1J6MSw-0002YK-4p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:45:46 +1300 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:37:12 +1300 From: zed To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28o (Qt/3.3.7) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DSPAM-Check: by mx5.orcon.net.nz on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:45:48 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Sun Dec 23 21:45:48 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.5928 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 147 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: zed@zed.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VcnnpJu9haQA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=tBpFyfl79Um6tYes0zMA:9 a=3K1c8gw8OOysykumwA4A:7 a=4-DO5-CvgYm_zKacMbnyun4Ib5AA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] David Pilling wrote: > In message <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe > writes > > Have you any idea how it got onto your machine? Is there a learning > > point there for the rest of us? > > I believe off a web site. The usual problem is that one looks something up > on Google and then jumps off to many web sites. No memory of which they > were and not ones that one is familiar with. > > Such random web sites often throw up all kinds of pop ups and adverts. > > I'd say the big warning sign was that Internet Explorer crashed - > completely. I think that crash was the virus making use of a flaw in IE to > install itself. > > The lesson is keep automatic updates on. Better to change to Linux! I did so a short time ago and finally settled on LinuxMINT. Excellent distribution., with a very enthusiastic community support group. Regards from New Zealand on a very warm and humid Sunday evening. Zed -- zed From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 12:33:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6PsA-09bknw-07-BUj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:33:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6PsA-09bknw-07-BUj; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:24:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6PsA-09bknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:24:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Ps9-0004zd-KO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:24:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC8DA7DDF1C for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31288-01 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF57E7DDE98 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:23:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A8D57DD8EC for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31054-03 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 340E97DD9BD for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6PrQ-000JKI-5q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:21:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=pwo4ogvUr6Kr3cM_ChQA:9 a=LTCEsF1C6yHbCSCATFgA:7 a=5qoayezxa1PMX4DvVZI5LD7fzd4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message , Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes >David Pilling wrote: > >> I said the anti virus software repeatedly claimed to have fixed things, >> but had failed. > >Which a/v software? AVG >Have you reported its inability to the supplier? No, that would have been a good idea. As I often say if you don't report bugs they don't get fixed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 12:33:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6PtN-0Bcknw-07-BTW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:33:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6PtN-0Bcknw-07-BTW; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:25:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6PtN-0Bcknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:25:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6PtN-0002OK-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18CD67DD9BD for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31701-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E9087DDF3B for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:24:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B498A7DDD32 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31468-02 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 842507DDD8C for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J6Psf-0001wD-NC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:24:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:22:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <333e63554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <9b3FfbIHBZbHFwJ2@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=SLjzY5mAn_YWLPWlIVPkTYN6yTQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message , Alan Adams writes >Which version of IE? 6 or 7? I can't recall. Seven probably I have tried to keep up to date. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 13:18:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6QeT-1SPknw-07-AiQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:18:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6QeT-1SPknw-07-AiQ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:13:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6QeT-1SPknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:13:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6QeS-0000Cj-PH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:13:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FBE27DDCB7 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10036-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0773F7DE051 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 255FA7DDCB7 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09811-09 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3E0E7DD790 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J6Qdm-00065p-JJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:13:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:12:53 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOp9RvQzXPAA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=WMMOMgyUNjd87bLgWrkA:9 a=tyzp5k0qLwPhowcOCl8A:7 a=jA6ZP8R5yxPnkp_vduBKBPRpAwkA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message of 23 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > In message ,=20 > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes > > > >Which a/v software? >=20 > AVG >=20 > >Have you reported its inability to the supplier? >=20 > No, that would have been a good idea. As I often say if you don't repor= t=20 > bugs they don't get fixed. I still have this black question: How do we know that the likes of AVG are not originating these viruses to bolster their sales of anti-virus software? There are bent coppers after all. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 13:33:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Ql0-1dyknw-07-Abt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:33:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Ql0-1dyknw-07-Abt; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:20:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Ql0-1dyknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:20:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Qkz-0002gE-Ko for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:20:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 139827DD975 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11582-04 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E61D37DDC43 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF7D07DD975 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11428-06 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F3477DD3BA for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6QkI-0002Dj-89 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:19:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:24:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f55b78961charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EzyV82D2CC8A:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Qfr0wlxxubAE-mQMGn4A:9 a=H_ON77UUVvIoyuC8vO4A:7 a=kTOIQGK9IlOumLp62zRNcRMMuPQA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In article <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 23 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > In message , > > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes > > > > > >Which a/v software? > > > > AVG > > > > >Have you reported its inability to the supplier? > > > > No, that would have been a good idea. As I often say if you don't > > report bugs they don't get fixed. > I still have this black question: How do we know that the likes of AVG > are not originating these viruses to bolster their sales of anti-virus > software? my version of AVG is free ;-) but I remember the warning in a RISC OS manual about the "Vigay Virus". -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 13:48:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6R6f-3dEknw-04-AGE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:48:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6R6f-3dEknw-04-AGE; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:43:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6R6f-3dEknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:43:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6R6f-00023D-9b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:43:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3CFE7DDD32 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16414-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 835CE7DAA8E for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:42:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FC587DDD32 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16286-01 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 259CD7DDC3C for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony#pop3*vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.275) id 476e65be.b6cc.40a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:42:22 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:42:21 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-Va7sCAg8owA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=ij2t4NymRT4jW53_0_kA:9 a=XOw1SLw_Q5MLPMvrA0kA:7 a=nEThVEgDNKfJMa5qW-mrCLO_imwA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] On 23 Dec at 13:12 Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote in message <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> > In message of 23 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > In message , > > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes > >> > > > > Which a/v software? >> > > AVG >> > > > Have you reported its inability to the supplier? >> > > No, that would have been a good idea. As I often say if you don't report > > bugs they don't get fixed. > > I still have this black question: How do we know that the likes of AVG are > not originating these viruses to bolster their sales of anti-virus > software? > > There are bent coppers after all. > Conspiracy theorists share a naive belief that the conspiracy can remain covered up. Human nature dictates that this is virtually impossible :) -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 14:18:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6RRD-3HQknw-08-9vg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:18:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6RRD-3HQknw-08-9vg; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6RRD-3HQknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6RRD-0001j3-9w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A48B67DDDF0 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21142-02 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79D657DDE9F for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE73E7DDDF0 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20910-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A67987DDD61 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071223140416.QRMP20647.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (really [81.100.182.242]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071223140418.DEAW219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.102]> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:00:56 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28o (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-Vista) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9JhsAHN8qHMA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d_qfyb8zWYIF6DBohX0A:9 a=9uoTURqrLMA8oJKu4DoA:7 a=dqimytqB7XnZOdDl74DVAfrURMIA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=9hlq2oIkD8gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 23 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > In message , > > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes > > > > > > >Which a/v software? > > > > AVG > > > > >Have you reported its inability to the supplier? > > > > No, that would have been a good idea. As I often say if you don't > > report bugs they don't get fixed. > > I still have this black question: How do we know that the likes of AVG > are not originating these viruses to bolster their sales of anti-virus > software? Are you suggesting that Pineasple could have done that as well? ;-) I use AVG free version - which is very good and saved me from several viruses - BUT it does sometimes give false positives and quarantine legitimate files. It's possible that it has done something similar in your case, although I would have expected more people to have felt the effects. There is a forum for AVG users, which is read by the writers, and they do pick up very quickly on any problems experienced. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 16:03:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6T6i-1Y3Vbs-01-Gmh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:03:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6T6i-1Y3Vbs-01-Gmh; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:51:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6T6i-1Y3Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:51:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6T6i-0000B2-0n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:51:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E91C17DE2B9 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14857-02 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C59F27DE19D for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1645B7DE165 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14609-06 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D68747DD631 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J6T61-0006md-6w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:50:33 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:49:02 GMT Message-ID: <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7QFNe3uAhSkA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=DCV4tIv6lyjwEveyvy0A:9 a=bgg3Ad_cnUPbt23iklQA:7 a=_Wht0_mTGCu2OWlNK2CTxl4TvuYA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] On 23 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > In message , > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes [snip] >> >> Which a/v software? > AVG [snip] FWIW I gave up on AVG when I heard about Avast - the price is the same (free for personal use) but Avast updates it definitions at least twice every 24 hours, whereas when I used AVG it sometimes didn't update for over a week. -- Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you the Prime Minister?" "No, but I've often been mistaken." "What, for the Prime Minister?" "No. I've just often been mistaken..." From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 16:18:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6TV6-1E2000-03-GOJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:18:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6TV6-1E2000-03-GOJ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:16:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6TV6-1E2000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:16:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6TV6-0002Mb-CU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:16:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EA5E7DD4DF for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20281-06 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 671FA7DD4A3 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:15:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EF7E7DD017 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20012-06-5 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B673E7DCFDC for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6TUQ-0000YE-9k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:15:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:20:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f55c7a36fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 383 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MG0CgO7SV_EA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=SQhR0R-mArCNL8CjSWYA:9 a=Bkd2K-oYp6iIvBI4AwIA:7 a=aH0uf3XmigUOLpnGJDYJY9Pg0jgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In article <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk>, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 23 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > In message , > > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes > [snip] > >> > >> Which a/v software? > > AVG > [snip] > FWIW I gave up on AVG when I heard about Avast - the price is the same > (free for personal use) but Avast updates it definitions at least > twice every 24 hours, whereas when I used AVG it sometimes didn't > update for over a week. I reckon on daily AVG updates. Set to auto. of course. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 16:33:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Tha-3YIVbs-04-GBp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:33:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Tha-3YIVbs-04-GBp; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:29:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Tha-3YIVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:29:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6ThZ-0004m0-Pz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:29:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F16AB7DE3F6 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23636-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFCBC7DE44F for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:28:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB9C77DE3F6 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23410-10 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BE047DE454 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J6Tgq-0003Ma-9h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:28:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:26:07 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <7726c8554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <4975b6554f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 384 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=a0xhBvlNAs0A:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=ds8MVV3mkF7uqT9c_HkA:9 a=XdzIOrMXWcsMXMDS40asTkZOW-kA:4 a=bzKVVdKtbjEA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message of 23 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:=20 > > I still have this black question: How do we know that the likes of AV= G > > are not originating these viruses to bolster their sales of anti-viru= s > > software? >=20 > Are you suggesting that Pineasple could have done that as well? ;-) Undoubtedly, there was nothing to stop them. One then has the interesting question of why most of us think that they did not so do. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 16:33:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Tk2-2DMVbs-07-G9N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:33:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Tk2-2DMVbs-07-G9N; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:31:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Tk2-2DMVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:31:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Tk1-0003Ep-Qq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:31:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 075E77DE487 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24299-03-2 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7CA37DD422 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8D567DE4BA for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24119-01 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5402D7DE45C for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J6TjJ-00060f-5b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:31:09 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:24:30 GMT Message-ID: <7800c8554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <4f55c7a36fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f55c7a36fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7QFNe3uAhSkA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=AMpGaJcmowYtEztZLugA:9 a=nIy_e3sGNLfpHgzGoG4A:7 a=qOIB9AH64zu-ZiL-q-8PuKy1eKcA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] On 23 Dec, charles wrote: > In article <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk>, > Brian Howlett wrote: [snip] >> FWIW I gave up on AVG when I heard about Avast - the price is the same >> (free for personal use) but Avast updates it definitions at least >> twice every 24 hours, whereas when I used AVG it sometimes didn't >> update for over a week. > I reckon on daily AVG updates. Set to auto. of course. Things may well have improved - it's over 2 years since I last used the free version of AVG. I've never used any of the paid-for versions. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------- Watch out... ...you might get what you're after... From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 16:48:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Tm3-2k2Vbs-01-G7M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:48:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Tm3-2k2Vbs-01-G7M; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:33:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Tm3-2k2Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:33:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Tm2-0004XP-Od for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:33:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DDFB7DE53A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24858-10 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF0287DE48A for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA2357DE493 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24724-01 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C29B7DD422 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:33:17 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 662580500/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.137.209 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.137.209 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAIocbkdYaYnR/2dsb2JhbACBV6cb Received: from 88-105-137-209.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.137.209]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2007 16:33:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:23:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f55c7e4e3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0ULjLm7Qv1YA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=SQhR0R-mArCNL8CjSWYA:9 a=h_L9osbHDrc1zRqqwR8A:7 a=gIGp2_lnV39DAUVzrrGAfWmo7xMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In article <14c1c4554f.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk>, Brian Howlett wrote: [Snippy] > FWIW I gave up on AVG when I heard about Avast - the price is the same > (free for personal use) but Avast updates it definitions at least > twice every 24 hours, whereas when I used AVG it sometimes didn't > update for over a week. That's strange, my Free AVG is updated every day. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 23 17:18:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6UGq-4eaVbs-04-FcZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:18:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6UGq-4eaVbs-04-FcZ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:05:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6UGq-4eaVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:05:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6UGq-0000ac-99 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:05:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62FDD7DDDC5 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32082-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FDC87DE11F for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A68F7DDC4E for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31834-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F3BE7DDCDE for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1J6UG9-0000h9-9u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:05:05 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:04:06 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.05b6 (MsgServe/3.37b8S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3ifebI_5GdIA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=qJkAYRAuAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=I_gw42HXPDsAecIX2awA:9 a=jqpttnlGvLgZT7DnELoA:7 a=O_bBQy95f3_zRgSCBA1_xmySXmsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.6/1193] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes >>David Pilling wrote: >> >>> I said the anti virus software repeatedly claimed to have fixed things, >>> but had failed. >> >>Which a/v software? > AVG I find Trend Micro Internet Security 2008 very good as it covers far more than just anti-virus. It also covers use on up to three PCs. See www.antivirus.uk.com or 01702 612200 to speak to a human (Steve). It does need Windows XP or higher though and ideally needs 512MB or higher of memory. All for now. -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 24 11:49:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6Zqf-04oknw-08-A2k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:49:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6Zqf-04oknw-08-A2k; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:03:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6Zqf-04oknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:03:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6Zqf-00067z-5Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:03:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAD787DDEDF for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06292-01 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 511167DE0F2 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:02:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5A067DDFF0 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06044-07 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25F6E7DDF4B for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:02:26 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 3353304/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$MX-ACCEPTED/pipex-infrastructure/62.241.163.7 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.241.163.7 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAPN3bkc+8aMH/2dsb2JhbACoSw Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.163.7]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2007 23:02:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBCBE00008E for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:02:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:02:18 +0000 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-bOjwU_LA9oA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=rsPbQ4ZlRdtktIBNYnIA:9 a=WILEp_ptpD_tLeT_5J0A:7 a=ss0FD3wWcWMBMtjxRR_BHq6FyzYA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.7/1194] David Pilling wrote: > In message , > Jeremy Nicoll - freelists writes >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> I said the anti virus software repeatedly claimed to have fixed things, >>> but had failed. >> >> Which a/v software? > > AVG > >> Have you reported its inability to the supplier? > > No, that would have been a good idea. As I often say if you don't > report bugs they don't get fixed. > > I may have missed any post you might have made on the name of the virus, but could you repeat it, so that I can investigate on my own machine. Was it a virus or simply a fault of IE7? -- Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 24 12:34:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6mI4-0pBVbs-04-EeN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:34:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6mI4-0pBVbs-04-EeN; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:20:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6mI4-0pBVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:20:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6mI3-0000Bi-83 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:20:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAD507DE20E for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13318-07 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 816D47DE42A for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:19:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31AD17DE20E for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13063-07 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E54367DE424 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J6mHM-0000sJ-OC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:19:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:18:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=ttpFVwh4AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=SWZCqzLfSQCORdPlJvkA:9 a=EgnlrccrwErydH4aJIQA:7 a=FvD2P8dwFznvUiSArq4zXewdQXAA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.7/1194] In message <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden writes >I may have missed any post you might have made on the name of the >virus, but could you repeat it, so that I can investigate on my own >machine. Was it a virus or simply a fault of IE7? It was a virus. However my feeling is that it only got onto my machine due to a bug in IE, as I said IE crashed and then problems started to occur. As soon as I got a strange pop up window, I looked at the list of processes in the task manager, spotted an odd name, searched for it on disc etc. I consider I was lucky to do this. The following news story seems to cover it. I notice that a removal tool is now available from this page: http://www.spywarenotice.com/2007/12/packedmorphined-remove-packedmorphin ed-now/ However I had not been indulging in any of the high risk behaviour mentioned on that web page (p2p file sharing etc.) All I seem to do these days is email, web and a bit of word processing. Which makes me wonder if the vast complexity of Windows is an appropriate tool for the job. It seems to me that Windows has turned into a "network computer", in other words every day one connects to the net and downloads new versions of software. Hard to believe that it is now over ten years since Acorn were working on their own network computer. All postings to this list are available on the web at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/12-2007/ (I've narrowed it down to this months to make it easy for you) I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 24 12:49:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6maK-0nIVbs-01-EM7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:49:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6maK-0nIVbs-01-EM7; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:39:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6maK-0nIVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:39:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6maK-0004Zu-At for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:39:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0A4D7DE7C7 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16253-04 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C90BC7DE307 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:38:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A8687DE7CE for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15970-08 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1DDF7DE7C1 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:38:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 175.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.175] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1J6mZb-0000H1-Sv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:38:24 +0000 Message-ID: <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:38:22 +0000 From: Philco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/5235/Mon Dec 24 11:12:45 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-Gos3AwdahAA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=ttpFVwh4AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DvUHaDQpXgYzxRFJXFQA:9 a=NZ-vjb2Nn-WUWtCjMhMA:7 a=jLfHS8PqRN8Zqr72RaXfSVJiSzMA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.7/1194] David Pilling wrote: > In message <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden > writes >> I may have missed any post you might have made on the name of the >> virus, but could you repeat it, so that I can investigate on my own >> machine. Was it a virus or simply a fault of IE7? > > It was a virus. However my feeling is that it only got onto my machine > due to a bug in IE, as I said IE crashed and then problems started to > occur. > > As soon as I got a strange pop up window, I looked at the list of > processes in the task manager, spotted an odd name, searched for it on > disc etc. I consider I was lucky to do this. > > The following news story seems to cover it. I notice that a removal > tool is now available from this page: > > http://www.spywarenotice.com/2007/12/packedmorphined-remove-packedmorphin > ed-now/ > > However I had not been indulging in any of the high risk behaviour > mentioned on that web page (p2p file sharing etc.) > > All I seem to do these days is email, web and a bit of word > processing. Which makes me wonder if the vast complexity of Windows is > an appropriate tool for the job. > > It seems to me that Windows has turned into a "network computer", in > other words every day one connects to the net and downloads new > versions of software. > > Hard to believe that it is now over ten years since Acorn were working > on their own network computer. > > All postings to this list are available on the web at: > http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/12-2007/ > (I've narrowed it down to this months to make it easy for you) > > I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! > > Was that 'twenty years' Oh wouldnt things have been different. if.... We'd have still had the hacks on RiscOs I guess.. and its popularity would spurn hastily written commercially viable applications taking up ever more memory and the perpetual increase in available memory to counter the demand. However, the intuitiveness of RiscOs may have prevailed as some recompense. Phil From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 24 15:49:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J6pMn-1cDknw-03-BZe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:49:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J6pMn-1cDknw-03-BZe; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:37:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J6pMn-1cDknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:37:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J6pMm-0005Le-HC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:37:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 200607DE8C5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14618-04 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2D7B7DE891 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:36:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 244037DE8C5 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14505-04 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A68B37DE8B0 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J6pM5-000B92-0z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:36:37 +0000 Message-ID: <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:35:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=F4O3q6srfgkXn-dhSC0A:9 a=nbPE0o2iKUvtXAZp4PAA:7 a=8SdzzRI0ZFAkDrQwOrvyTZwMtJAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.7/1194] In message <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk>, Philco writes >> Hard to believe that it is now over ten years since Acorn were >>working on their own network computer. >Was that 'twenty years' The Archimedes came out at the end of 1987, the Acorn NC was 1997. >We'd have still had the hacks on RiscOs I guess.. Anything subjected to the attacks that MS software is would be broken, but MS are a special case, they're rich enough to get things right. Looking at some of the guidance they offer programmers it is apparent they've gone a long time without using the simplest good practices. If Acorn had kept RISC OS in ROM it would have been difficult to hack. RISC OS needed to be transformed the same way that the Windows 9X line was, or Mac OS - into a "proper" operating system with the protection that implies. Leaves me wondering is there a solution that satisfies my requirements - web, email, word processing, no messing about? The "One Lap Top per child" machine sounds a bit like it, but last time I looked was not on sale in the first world. Possibly a mobile phone would do ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 27 12:25:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J7YIc-2jzVbs-08-9GP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:25:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J7YIc-2jzVbs-08-9GP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:36:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J7YIc-2jzVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:36:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J7YIV-0006ZU-MS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:36:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 553C07DE6EB for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08964-02 for ; 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26 Dec 2007 15:35:04 +0000 Received: from nmail0.systems.pipex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nmail0.systems.pipex.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id lBQFZ4GI027680 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:35:04 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nmail0.systems.pipex.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id lBQFZ3cn027678 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:35:03 GMT Received: from 85.210.172.227 ( [85.210.172.227]) as user axaa39@dsl.pipex.com by netmail.pipex.net with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:35:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1198683303.477274a7713e3@netmail.pipex.net> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:35:03 +0000 From: bernard g hill To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Pipex Webmail (IMP3.1) X-Originating-IP: 85.210.172.227 X-Pipex-Username: axaa39%dsl.pipex.com X-Usage: Pipex Webmail is subject to the standard Pipex terms and conditions of use X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=55LHfe_J_hoA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=cZlh6DJzNGW34m4ojQMA:9 a=yv_qHBfugad3vawQsXsA:7 a=WDi3gCG7YFRtrlRsebkCHHp2JtYA:4 a=nbrB6oW77rQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.9/1198] Quoting David Pilling : > In message <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk>, Philco =20 > writes > >> Hard to believe that it is now over ten years since Acorn were=20 > >>working on their own network computer. > >Was that 'twenty years' >=20 > The Archimedes came out at the end of 1987, the Acorn NC was 1997. >=20 > >We'd have still had the hacks on RiscOs I guess.. >=20 > Anything subjected to the attacks that MS software is would be broken,=20 > but MS are a special case, they're rich enough to get things right.=20 > Looking at some of the guidance they offer programmers it is apparent=20 > they've gone a long time without using the simplest good practices. >=20 > If Acorn had kept RISC OS in ROM it would have been difficult to hack. >=20 > RISC OS needed to be transformed the same way that the Windows 9X line=20 > was, or Mac OS - into a "proper" operating system with the protection=20 > that implies. >=20 > Leaves me wondering is there a solution that satisfies my requirements = -=20 > web, email, word processing, no messing about? >=20 > The "One Lap Top per child" machine sounds a bit like it, but last time= =20 > I looked was not on sale in the first world. Possibly a mobile phone=20 > would do ;-) >=20 >=20 > --=20 > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR= UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 Hi, May I suggest that Linux will do all you want and with much safer but com= petent browsing. Best wishes for the New Year to all. Berni. --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 27 12:25:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J7Yug-3Fv000-03-8eL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:25:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J7Yug-3Fv000-03-8eL; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:15:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J7Yug-3Fv000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:15:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J7Yuf-0007gW-9U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:15:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 249657DE0C3 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20451-02 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BC097DDAA0 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DA447DDE4E for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20153-01 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58D547DDB89 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=standalone) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1J7JA4-000Lnz-6d for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:26:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:25:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cLLRGXcZuSoA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=hhZJw5v6AAAA:8 a=QDXT7wMOMIZTb8BJGZMA:9 a=cAfPxN0_3qRB4b1Iv78A:7 a=8GN049BqvBn1XyOb2xGtNedlFsUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.9/1198] In article <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk>, Philco > writes > >> Hard to believe that it is now over ten years since Acorn were > >>working on their own network computer. > >Was that 'twenty years' > The Archimedes came out at the end of 1987, the Acorn NC was 1997. > >We'd have still had the hacks on RiscOs I guess.. > Anything subjected to the attacks that MS software is would be broken, > but MS are a special case, they're rich enough to get things right. > Looking at some of the guidance they offer programmers it is apparent > they've gone a long time without using the simplest good practices. > If Acorn had kept RISC OS in ROM it would have been difficult to hack. > RISC OS needed to be transformed the same way that the Windows 9X line > was, or Mac OS - into a "proper" operating system with the protection > that implies. > Leaves me wondering is there a solution that satisfies my requirements - > web, email, word processing, no messing about? > The "One Lap Top per child" machine sounds a bit like it, but last time > I looked was not on sale in the first world. Possibly a mobile phone > would do ;-) Zonbu? I've bought/leased one to see if it would meet the needs of some of my clients... no moving parts, 11-15 watts power consumption (plus peripherals), requires (more or less) continuous broadband connection to the Internet because there's only minimal local storage and Zonbu provide online storage and maintain and update the operating system which is Linux Gentoo based, no possibility of adding programs (or problems!) other than those supplied (Firefox, Open Office, photo manager, Sribus DTP (well, Ovation Pro isn't available for Linux yet!) and other bits and bobs). $99 up front plus $54.50 shipping, $14.95 monthly sub for a two year contract, plus another =A330 odd if you're unlucky enough to have your hardware package checked by customs! My experience has been good, though I've only used it in a lightweight way so far. Not going to be everyone's cuppa, but worth looking at www.zonbu.com Richard --=20 Richard Brock From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 27 12:25:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J7rdN-1bpknw-03-FVC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:25:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J7rdN-1bpknw-03-FVC; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:14:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J7rdN-1bpknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:14:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J7rdN-0005jc-8x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:14:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49C5A7DE872 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11248-05-2 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B9B57DE8AA for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 221047DE872 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10964-04-3 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E40497DE8AD for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1J7rcf-0007Yp-PA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:14:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:18:32 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story Message-ID: <69d3c0574f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 394 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6LIVzjkLdn4A:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=hhZJw5v6AAAA:8 a=EBG80ZpTKn0EAEkPUkMA:9 a=MpXyQenc1l2EXSqOFwnNQxn2MuYA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.9/1198] In message <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: [snip] > >Zonbu? [snip] >My experience has been good, though >I've only used it in a lightweight way so far. Not going to be everyone's >cuppa, but worth looking at www.zonbu.com > >Richard > And 20 mins later I'm still waiting while the Wizard loads...using Netsurf BTW David mills -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 27 20:53:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1J7zan-16e000-07-G4I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:53:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1J7zan-16e000-07-G4I; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:44:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1J7zan-16e000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:44:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1J7zal-0001XE-1L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:44:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75C7F7DEC22 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04466-05 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 527C77DEC68 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:43:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C0767DEC22 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04384-02 for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCCC07DEBFA for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1J7za3-000K0O-EX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:42:34 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Another Windows horror story References: <4f554e6abadfs@ukgateway.net> <476EE8FA.4010805@btinternet.com> <476FA83E.4000304@heter.co.uk> <$8c1mNErG9bHFwq4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZFMmSwOsckA:15 a=EIFSb4RSsUsA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=hhZJw5v6AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=64U-1Pf86g_0ECa-VJAA:9 a=voKo9-JoVC1pFziunuXeAScEa7QA:4 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.17.9/1198] In message <4f56f635b6badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock writes >Zonbu? I've bought/leased one to see if it would meet the needs of some >cuppa, but worth looking at www.zonbu.com Interesting. Shows that some people are thinking about alternatives to the PC. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941