From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 5 21:24:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ip9N6-1DN000-06-GRH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:24:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ip9N6-1DN000-06-GRH; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ip9N6-1DN000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ip9N5-00037q-56 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BB2B7B267A; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17968-03; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE9B37B26D7; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:19:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0384F7B267A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17812-02 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C24CB7B2665 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ip9MK-0003ee-5G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:19:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:18:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41b MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, There's an upgrade of SparkFS available. Zip archives have extendible headers for the files they contain. This feature allows RISC OS file attributes to be added whilst the zip file can still be understood by software on other operating systems. There is a bug in previous versions of the zip module. If the attributes of a file in a zip are updated without changing the file contents - for example if the time stamp is altered and the file header in the zip has the RISC OS extension as well as one or more other extensions then the header will be changed in such a way that the archive contents appear corrupt. This situation is likely to be rare, for example if you only use SparkFS it will not arise. However it is an error in SparkFS. Zip module 1.40 1st. November 2007 fixes it. You can upgrade from: http://www.davidpilling.com/sfs141.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 5 22:25:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpAKL-1Ai000-04-FU2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:25:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpAKL-1Ai000-04-FU2; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpAKL-1Ai000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpAK8-0003yW-AX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D497B2956; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27366-04; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 126287B2979; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1F597B2956 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27094-09 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E36D87B2743 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IpAJ3-0005or-7f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:20:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4676/Mon Nov 5 21:20:22 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > There's an upgrade of SparkFS available. > Zip archives have extendible headers for the files they contain. This > feature allows RISC OS file attributes to be added whilst the zip file > can still be understood by software on other operating systems. > There is a bug in previous versions of the zip module. If the > attributes of a file in a zip are updated without changing the file > contents - for example if the time stamp is altered and the file > header in the zip has the RISC OS extension as well as one or more > other extensions then the header will be changed in such a way that > the archive contents appear corrupt. > This situation is likely to be rare, for example if you only use > SparkFS it will not arise. However it is an error in SparkFS. Zip > module 1.40 1st. November 2007 fixes it. > You can upgrade from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/sfs141.zip Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th October 2004). Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpAUO-1WW000-04-FJz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpAUO-1WW000-04-FJz; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:32:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpAUO-1WW000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:32:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpAUM-0003Nr-Vm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E5717B1F21; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28989-07; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 132C37B214B; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FDDC7B1F21 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28792-06 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 197F37B1C75 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpATY-000Or4-LD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:31:20 +0000 Message-ID: <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:31:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th >October 2004). Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 *help modules will show you. Sorry for not being clear enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpCGn-1nKVbs-01-DXa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpCGn-1nKVbs-01-DXa; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpCGn-1nKVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpCGh-0000e1-GS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E05867B1D40; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12939-03; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B45107B1492; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 748A57B1E22 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12786-08 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41C7A7B1E20 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from g4iat.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.185] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IpCFx-0005TT-PW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:25:26 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Barry Smith X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:22:25 GMT Message-ID: <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.03b2 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: baz@g4iat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes >>Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th >>October 2004). > Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 > *help modules > will show you. > Sorry for not being clear enough. When I looked at my version it was 1.39, so I must have missed a couple of upgrade announcements. However, the upgrade "worked" and I can see Modules.Zip is now 01 Nov 2007. The question is, how do I upgrade all the other stuff from 1.39 to 1.41? Barry -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpIrU-1QxGPo-04-FTP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpIrU-1QxGPo-04-FTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:28:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpIrU-1QxGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:28:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpIrE-0001nF-63 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:28:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6A777B265D; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24468-02-15; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DEA37B2607; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:25:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 627B57B21AB for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24071-02-25 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F268F7B209B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IpInj-0001W9-3r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:24:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3d62478fphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: Could not determin AV Version, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes > >Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th > >October 2004). > Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 > *help modules > will show you. > Sorry for not being clear enough. I'm one you have to spoon feed I'm afraid. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpJfx-1bNknw-03-Eew.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpJfx-1bNknw-03-Eew; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpJfx-1bNknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpJfw-0001i3-TD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E5A67B2258; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30363-03; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 709837B22AE; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B332C7B2258 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30175-03 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 44B657B21F8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11115 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 08:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 08:20:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rwgqxPsVM1mt43L265E1UbaxHpkV4e6NmchxOIwQBsEt3PSqiLUwWhITKYlSDEdMU7g_zpLjyoPevSWnquBX.ZfdVmFTjNZ4Nk4ahjmcd6eiJH40 Message-ID: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:19:53 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > There's an upgrade of SparkFS available. [snip] > You can upgrade from: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/sfs141.zip ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or was it a password protected download? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:12:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTmq-2zCVbs-05-D4Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:12:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTmq-2zCVbs-05-D4Z; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTmq-2zCVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTmq-00039E-3q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F4EC7B2BAB; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23004-09; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62EAD7B2C40; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AF7C7B2BAB for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22953-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58E3D7B2A90 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpTm7-000EU2-C1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:07:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:06:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I >can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, >or was it a password protected download? (white) floppy disc with printed manual. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:12:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTon-2Za000-08-D2c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:12:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTon-2Za000-08-D2c; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTon-2Za000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTom-0007aB-W8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EDE77B2CE3; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23324-01; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61E557B2B33; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 744207B2AD4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23197-04 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F5367B2B63 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IpTo5-0006Y0-Mw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:09:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:08:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk>, Barry Smith writes >The question is, how do I upgrade all the other stuff from 1.39 to >1.41? See the upgrades at the bottom of: http://www.davidpilling.com/spark.html I guess that as you work your way up that chain your brand new zip module will be clobbered, so keep right on to the 1.41b upgrade. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:22:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTxL-2wg000-08-Cu4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:22:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTxL-2wg000-08-Cu4; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTxL-2wg000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTxI-0002SO-9O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75A957B2D9C; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24447-10; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 491017B2D8E; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:18:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B03F7B24BC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10616-07 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C30C27B249E for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK4-0005SK-Sw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:16 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK4-0005S1-I9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:16 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:59:59 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:16 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 6 23:06:16 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7320 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 274 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 129 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 06 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I > can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or > was it a password protected download? What? You mean you've been living without it? ;-) I couldn't - very handy indeed. This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:22:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTxy-4TgVbs-02-CtR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:22:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTxy-4TgVbs-02-CtR; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTxy-4TgVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTxy-0002xq-JE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 245527B2DAB; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24719-01; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E236D7B2D49; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF577B24B8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10594-06 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F387D7B243B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK5-0005Sa-9Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:17 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK5-0005S1-1t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:09:46 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:17 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 6 23:06:17 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6321 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 173 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 130 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like Artworks and Techwriter? ...and would anyone other than me actually want this? I've just this minute had a different thought for an approach to this... a bit lateral but here goes... Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP combination. (and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:22:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTyb-4VOVbs-02-Cso.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:22:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTyb-4VOVbs-02-Cso; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTyb-4VOVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTyW-0006ba-Mk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D647B2D6D; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24773-10; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 177267B2D62; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1801D7B2DBA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24702-01 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3BC277B2D85 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67342 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 19:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 19:19:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DDrjxEEVM1kJAyXSqHA_ft6TTNKKtSCXRj04Vwly1zyXbR5xyWjB9dyaFHEP8dB1pK.HHB2_BA-- Message-ID: <4730BE4F.1070505@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But >> I can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by >> email, or was it a password protected download? > > (white) floppy disc with printed manual. Got it, thanks ... now, will VRPC read the disk? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU0w-35k000-08-CqT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU0w-35k000-08-CqT; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU0w-35k000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU0v-0007V0-Io for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 227467B2D95; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26475-06; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB0997B2E7C; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEB687B2D95 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26332-05 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A8E57B2D85 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 177.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.177] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IpU0E-0007gd-9h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:22:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4730BEEC.8070103@heter.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:22:20 +0000 From: Philco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4683/Tue Nov 6 18:30:56 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 06 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > > >> ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I >> can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or >> was it a password protected download? >> > > What? You mean you've been living without it? ;-) > I couldn't - very handy indeed. > > This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), > but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in > SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? > > regards, > > Yes The PeeCee does it but I'd like RiscOs to do it too. Phil From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU4O-1LQknw-07-Cn1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU4O-1LQknw-07-Cn1; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU4O-1LQknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU4O-0006t0-4a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 583527B19EC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27377-08; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DAEE7B2281; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:25:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76E227B19EC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27199-03 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B64C97B2204 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1226 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 19:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 19:25:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o4qqiLsVM1nKenPPSlmbGAPA0lR.CPcCZTCOEUpvkR9aqqkKWm7fW.FQTN.RrbFn5GfiHGs6aQ-- Message-ID: <4730BFBB.6050609@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:25:47 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 06 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I >> can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or >> was it a password protected download? > > What? You mean you've been living without it? ;-) > I couldn't - very handy indeed. Indeed, but then these days I tend to use VRPC, so I can always use the PC side for compressing files. I don't use RiscOS enough now to justify keeping my Iyonix, so if anyone is interested just drop me a line. > > This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), > but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in > SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? Those with dedicated RiscOS machines, I guess. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU74-1SGknw-07-CkL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU74-1SGknw-07-CkL; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU74-1SGknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU73-0007VT-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C7727B2466; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27668-04; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D30877B259A; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB8E57B2466 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27540-05 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7B0F7B240D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpU6N-000HSH-Jj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:28:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:27:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like >Artworks and Techwriter? Yes. >...and would anyone other than me actually want this? Well some would, but there is another camp which says "why not use one of the other methods of producing PDF". >Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for >incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP >combination. >(and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) Yes. This is akin to the idea that often comes up of allowing OP to export pages as Draw files. It would be better than Draw because AW files can do more. However it would require the AW file spec. I suppose in passing one should wonder if Techwriter is going to offer AW export. All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU95-3xxVbs-03-CiK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU95-3xxVbs-03-CiK; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU95-3xxVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU92-0007SX-S2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 952557B28E7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27912-05; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B1D47B2895; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D5837B2549 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27780-08 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18D677B2671 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpU8K-000EP8-IU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:29:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), >but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in >SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? rar has been talked about in the past. I think I once started on a rar module. I also once offered to co-operate in a third party rar module. It's all a bit like the reply to your question about OP and PDF - lack of time, lack of users... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:02:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpUXr-1EuGPo-02-CJY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:02:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpUXr-1EuGPo-02-CJY; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:57:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpUXr-1EuGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:57:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpUXm-0003sd-KI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:57:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12ADD7B2232; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31331-08; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0F617B2111; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 878667B265D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31220-01 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23ABA7B1F75 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1IpUWu3KXl-0002Ey; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:56:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:55:42 +0100 Message-ID: <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ngJzgui7I4ypm03ZHWZN8tvKvpCvmr8+eHKU Ak52aOnS5exa9nHhp1yRzLKl9vFqfMhuhXP6gQ4MpP4Up8l3CH jSURbW+FcpuPgzDtXHYz0Z9/SxEd1cf X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> Robert Greenfield wrote: > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > Artworks and Techwriter? Just for the record: The PDF export options in ArtWorks and EasiWriter are entirely different. ArtWorks has direct PDF creation, which is vastly superior to what you can get via the PostScript printer driver. EasiWriter's PDF export uses the traditional route via the PostScript printer driver and Ghostscript. It still does better than other applications because it includes extra information for GhostScript, such as the document outline (structure tree) and links both within the document and to external URLs, but the limitations of the PostScript printer driver still apply (most notably the poor quality of embedded sprites). The question is why you would want it. If it is just for convenience, then it should not be too hard to add a "Save as PDF" option to OvationPro in a similar way to how it works in EasiWriter, i.e., via the PostScript driver and Ghostscript. Even with such a solution, OvationPro could send some extra information to Ghostscript, e.g., graduated fills, but as with EasiWriter, the overall quality would still be limited by the PostScript driver. If you want to overcome the limitations of the PostScript driver and get CMYK and Spot colours across, plus high quality sprites, then full direct PostScript or PDF export would have to be added, which is a huge order (even though the Windows version does it already, which means that part of the work is done). > Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for > incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP > combination. > (and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) First of all, please bear in mind that the ArtWorks file format specification is not publicly available, so third party applications cannot create ArtWorks documents. I would not mind disclosing the details to David, but there is no comprehensive document describing just the format so a lot of understanding of the ArtWorks document architecture would be required to successfully create ArtWorks files outside ArtWorks, which probably makes this idea uneconomical. It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a cross-platform format. There is one big drawback in direct PostScript or PDF export: OP would have to export any embedded ArtWorks files as bitmaps because it would not know what else to do with them - to OP, an ArtWorks file is just a black box that can be rendered to the screen and the printer driver but that has no visible internal structure. On the other hand, a PDF export option that goes via the PostScript printer driver can include ArtWorks files as vector data, but obviously the result is only as good as what you can get now by printing to PostScript. Most notably, any ArtWorks file with transparency is converted to a bitmap. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:12:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpUiQ-0ehGPo-05-C8z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:12:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpUiQ-0ehGPo-05-C8z; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpUiQ-0ehGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpUiQ-0001ec-Bz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD1557B2C4A; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00553-05; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 982E17B2B7D; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:07:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B01187B2C05 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00446-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581B47B2ACA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1IpUhi1z7s-0005L9; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:07:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: <2e1ca83d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4cP/xW1Ef4TaeMWx/gdYunHMyCzWAEBMuek6 qVLWz06dU+cQwjR9cCj9DVrYDxJNg4yREGL/weX1yes1j+XGdO a63QZET6kGRl7eMkdj7TNvjIXM7fKQ7 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes >>Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for >>incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP >>combination. >>(and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) > Yes. This is akin to the idea that often comes up of allowing OP to > export pages as Draw files. It would be better than Draw because AW > files can do more. However it would require the AW file spec. If the AW file spec was the only problem, then that could be solved. ;-) However, the AW format is not exactly friendly as far as creating it from third-party applications is concerned. Once, the idea was that third party applications should generate ArtWorks EPS instead, which is documented. You can do CMYK and Spot colours, overprinting and clipping in ArtWorks EPS, so it would retain more information than Draw format. Of course, like Draw, it is a single page format, in contrast to the ArtWorks format, which could hold an entire OP document. > I suppose in passing one should wonder if Techwriter is going to offer > AW export. I do not think anyone ever suggested AW export in TW and it would not really add much. After all, TechWriter does Draw export and in graphical terms TW does not really offer much that goes beyond what the Draw format can do. For instance, TW only supports RGB colours, no spot colours, no overprinting, just as Draw. The only thing for which ArtWorks format would be useful is clipping for cropped pictures, and maybe for including embedded ArtWorks files natively. With Draw export, embedded AW files have to be included as bitmaps. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:42:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpVAW-2kBGPo-02-Bgt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:42:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpVAW-2kBGPo-02-Bgt; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpVAW-2kBGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpVAO-0006P3-LQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 782537B2EF9; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04025-03; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C3097B2C54; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 974CD7B2840 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03825-06 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10C7C7B2E59 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA6KY2vP023145 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:34:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield muttered: > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > Artworks and Techwriter? > ...and would anyone other than me actually want this? Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating menus and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF download on their website. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:42:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpVAx-1kjGPo-05-BgS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:42:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpVAx-1kjGPo-05-BgS; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpVAx-1kjGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpVAq-0004tF-1j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57B027B2E7E; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04060-07; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CBDF7B2E6F; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4AA97B2E7E for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03903-01 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 383407B2AA3 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA6KY2vQ023145 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:34:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3daa63b8lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe , David Pilling muttered: [Snippety snip] > All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in > OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as > ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. Do you know roughly how much time it would take to add to the RISC OS version? If feasible do you know what sort of ball-park figure an upgrade might cost? (ie. I'm wondering how much it would cost to fund such a project). From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 21:42:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpW9K-1VHVbs-07-Ai5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:42:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpW9K-1VHVbs-07-Ai5; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpW9K-1VHVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:39:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpW9J-0004KJ-W9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:39:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13C3D7B28B4; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12312-09; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB93B7B2693; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08A937B28B4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12205-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AA4B7B28E5 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAA02AAD1A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FE8392363 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kXZw2fUoKTqI for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:36:56 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9475DBAAB for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:07 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:39:20 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3db08934kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, > Robert Greenfield muttered: > > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > > Artworks and Techwriter? > > ...and would anyone other than me actually want this? > Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating menus > and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF download > on their website. I would hope that any such project produced CMYK or spot colours to avoid the degradation of conversion through a driver. I have found printers love Artworks PDF files which do this when the colour model is CMYK. Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 22:02:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpWQ9-2WQ000-02-ARG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:02:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpWQ9-2WQ000-02-ARG; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:57:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpWQ9-2WQ000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:57:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpWQ9-0005L7-9g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:57:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B17A07B1FD7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14743-05; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8376D7B24AA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B83AE7B1FD7 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14662-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv2.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv2.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D54A7B1D7C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 124-197-53-20.callplus.net.nz ([124.197.53.20] helo=XPHOMEPC) by mxsrv2.tranzpeer.net with SMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1IpWPQ-0007aU-H4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:56:32 +1300 Message-ID: <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:56:34 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > > All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in > OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as > ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. > > > -- In fact direct PDF generation in OPW is probably the only possible enhancement I would find any use for. Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from Direct Postscript? Dan McCarthy From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:34:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpWv7-2QaGPo-06-9wI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:34:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpWv7-2QaGPo-06-9wI; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpWv7-2QaGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpWv7-0004ed-4y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BABC57B24BF; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18625-10; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F8A87B2066; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EC8F7B2557 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18515-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id F31BA7B2528 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59663 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (cbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 22:28:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fgkf_nEVM1lZEt6hhMaaMdE1CG9tFqEn7BtmZihAiRq6R9KWzrFpOyuW10te4nYSvXVyzjtG7Q-- Message-ID: <4730EA8C.3040205@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:28:28 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dan McCarthy wrote: > >> >> All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in >> OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as >> ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. >> >> >> -- > In fact direct PDF generation in OPW is probably the only possible > enhancement I would find any use for. > > Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from > Direct Postscript? > Dan McCarthy There are any number of PDF creators on the market, some expensive like Adobe Acrobat, some much cheaper like CutePDF, PDF995, and Win2PDF/Pro. It depends on what features you need --- you get what you pay for. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:34:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpY6V-1EAknw-01-8ku.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:34:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpY6V-1EAknw-01-8ku; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpY6V-1EAknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpY6V-0001sb-Bb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27CD97B2BAA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26349-09; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECEE37B2BD3; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3204B7B2BAA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-03 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1F907B2B5B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from g4iat.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.185] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpY5n-000MNc-Fh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:44:24 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Barry Smith X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:43:05 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.03b2 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: baz@g4iat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk>, Barry Smith > writes >>The question is, how do I upgrade all the other stuff from 1.39 to >>1.41? > See the upgrades at the bottom of: > http://www.davidpilling.com/spark.html > I guess that as you work your way up that chain your brand new zip > module will be clobbered, so keep right on to the 1.41b upgrade. Many thanks. I'll make copies at each stage just in case something goes wrong! Barry -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:34:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IphJN-4ESVbs-07-Gb4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:34:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IphJN-4ESVbs-07-Gb4; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IphJN-4ESVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IphJN-0005qP-DA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D14597B2C0F; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13325-08; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A75997B2E0A; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:34:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DAA07B2C0F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13266-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5323E7B2CEF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (81-178-93-14.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.93.14]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727B4E00087C for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:34:10 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, > Robert Greenfield muttered: > > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > > Artworks and Techwriter? ...and would anyone other than me actually > > want this? > Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating > menus and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF > download on their website. I would also find it very useful for exactly the same types of reason. In fact it is the convenience of .pdf creation from Artworks that often makes me choose that in preference to OvationPro when I am producing a poster. Obviously, this is not a good solution for something that is more text oriented than a typical poster. I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:35:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpiAd-44G000-06-Fjo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:35:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpiAd-44G000-06-Fjo; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpiAd-44G000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpiAc-0000D3-Qv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC5CE7B2479; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18703-06; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F09E7B2035; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:29:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 101AB7B2479 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18552-06 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6CA47B246B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ipi9q-0003MA-CM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:29:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:25:41 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: > I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rath= er > messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared = to > pay for such an upgrade. The mind boggles! Doing the upgrade would require: Learning the structure of PDF For each object, assuming OPro can be resolved into objects, working out how to convert to PDF objects Programming same Integrating into one package Debugging Beta test More debugging Distribution After-sales support Sounds like rather a lot of man-hours, 200 is a fair guess, could easily be more. A good self-employed programmer used to be able to get =A3300 a day, so this sounds like =A37,500. Perhaps 50 people will want this enough to pay what it costs; sounds like =A3150 each. All criticisms of the above sums are accepted. But it shows we are talking of hundreds of pounds per copy sold. Do we really think that there are that number of people willing to pay that sort of price? =20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:35:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpiRM-4Wyknw-01-FT5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:35:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpiRM-4Wyknw-01-FT5; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpiRM-4Wyknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpiRL-0002Ai-Lx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FB517B25B4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19971-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7CA57B24B3; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19EC07B25B4 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19768-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3C187B24B3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-74-236.as15444.net [82.163.74.236]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA7AkR1i001454 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:46:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3df8a82djohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > > I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the > > rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter ... I don't use the facilities in EasiWriter, but just 'print' using !PrintPDF. I prefer things like this to be separate entities, because then they can be used with all programmes, not just one. Creating PDF files is one example, and another is the ability to print multiple pages to a sheet. Easiwriter has very good 'thumbnails' and 'booklet' printing, O-Pro has equivalent (possibly better) facilities. But if I receive a PDF file and want to print two pages to a sheet, I can't do it (at least not without a lot of messing around). Therefore if any effort is available for such things I would far rather it go towards universal facilities that can be used like a printer, than being built into an individual application. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:35:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpiXX-0EgVbs-01-FMu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:35:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpiXX-0EgVbs-01-FMu; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpiXX-0EgVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpiXX-00022a-3Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B8C17B2818; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20543-08; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21FE97B27A8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:53:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF34D7B2818 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20494-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 767947B2756 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85525 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 10:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 10:53:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CgRQiwIVM1mfQE14k9cTJLGRZyrO.mT_IcMPuAFaGGVZJkJFlElqTBoc0_W8n_uE6ml0epGYWw-- Message-ID: <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:52:52 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > In article <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay > wrote: >> In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, >> Robert Greenfield muttered: >>> Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like >>> Artworks and Techwriter? ...and would anyone other than me actually >>> want this? > >> Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating >> menus and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF >> download on their website. > > I would also find it very useful for exactly the same types of reason. > In fact it is the convenience of .pdf creation from Artworks that often > makes me choose that in preference to OvationPro when I am producing a > poster. Obviously, this is not a good solution for something that is > more text oriented than a typical poster. > > I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rather > messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared to > pay for such an upgrade. As D.P. says, the user-base hardly justifies the effort of implementing direct .pdf for individual RO applications. An improved PS printer driver may be the best compromise. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:44:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpjBs-1Huknw-04-EiZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:44:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpjBs-1Huknw-04-EiZ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:35:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpjBs-1Huknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:35:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpjBp-0006hF-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:35:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7392A7B2479; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24414-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 465167B24FE; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C9FB7B2479 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23921-09 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48C017B1E6E for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpjAr-000P3A-Eq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:34:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:29:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy writes >Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from >Direct Postscript? Two methods, are Adobe Acrobat (which acts as a PostScript printer driver) and GhostScript/GSView. There are many other printer drivers that produce PDF but they often are based on Windows Meta Files like most Windows printer drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 12:44:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipk95-2UBGPo-02-DlM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipk95-2UBGPo-02-DlM; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipk95-2UBGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipk94-0006jv-W7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326DF7B305A; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31904-01; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02A3B7B3053; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:35:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDE6E7B2F82 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31649-05 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94F557B2DBC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Ipk8M2S3z-0003Xw; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19241qGRZUXSrVHImZxpz1X6iCDXKkKMmgzjl/ LufdiRgIPMRIVXnBMXsT9igvpQK0VPoB2V0F4jImTX6anhNtWs KSUkq63efz3dTn4X7j647ZAK4+tZCeq X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rather >> messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared to >> pay for such an upgrade. > > As D.P. says, the user-base hardly justifies the effort of implementing > direct .pdf for individual RO applications. An improved PS printer > driver may be the best compromise. Yes, that will certainly help. I expect that the proposed PostScript 3 driver will eventually fix most of the limitations that cause trouble at the moment. Plus, it is likely that it will offer CMYK printing support with only minimal adjustments required in printing applications. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 12:44:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipk97-2HQGPo-01-DlK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipk97-2HQGPo-01-DlK; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipk97-2HQGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipk94-0004gR-VX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E9E17B305C; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31896-05; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 075BA7B25B4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 017A57B2DBC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31656-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A17477B2F7B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Ipk8L0quc-0003Xw; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19p/5Po/BsO/yuLnpEbGZo+iYhSHnVqv+aDonS RB+2Ixclt8UVL5RkvCC2NQP57ooeVU+sDn5Yu2Mg7qPEB3vOlB Rbiy1HeVx88wvYQPUwhVbfUHZPHdMQC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote= : >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rat= her >> messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared= to >> pay for such an upgrade. > The mind boggles! > Doing the upgrade would require: > [...] > Sounds like rather a lot of man-hours, 200 is a fair guess, could easil= y > be more. A good self-employed programmer used to be able to get =A3300= a > day, so this sounds like =A37,500. Perhaps 50 people will want this > enough to pay what it costs; sounds like =A3150 each. There is nothing OvationPro specific in what you wrote above, so=20 surely, the same reasoning would have applied to ArtWorks? Except of=20 course that direct PDF export from ArtWorks is an order of magnitude=20 more complex due to the more advanced graphical effects ArtWorks=20 offers. If so, I wonder how it came to be that direct PDF export for=20 ArtWorks was offered for =A330 per copy? Your idea of 50 users being=20 interested seems extremely low to me. If I had not expected several=20 times that number of interested users in ArtWorks direct PDF export I=20 would not have started. I would be surprised if fewer people were interested in Direct PDF=20 export from OvationPro than from ArtWorks. Actually, I think there are=20 far more OvationPro users around than ArtWorks users (to give you an=20 idea of the word processing vs. the graphics market - IIRC Impression=20 sold around 10 times the number of copies ArtWorks sold), plus there=20 has not been a chargeable upgrade for OP for a long time, so these=20 users are likely to be eager to upgrade. Following your rough=20 calculation (assuming the effort is realistic and ignoring minor=20 details like VAT) - in order to meet the price of =A330 I charged for=20 ArtWorks direct PDF export you only need 250 OvationPro users who are=20 willing to upgrade. That does not seem at all unrealistic to me. Of course, there is little point in such calculations because at the=20 end of the day it will be down to David's estimation of the required=20 effort and of the number of potential buyers, plus of course the=20 question whether he has any time to do it. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 12:54:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpkJB-0C5000-02-DbG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:54:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpkJB-0C5000-02-DbG; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpkJB-0C5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpkJA-0004UA-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA60D7B307B; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00385-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFBB77B3097; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC6297B3051 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32767-05 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B92AE7B2F71 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpkIR-000NAM-7W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:46:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3dff0efcjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 07 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > As D.P. says, the user-base hardly justifies the effort of implementing > direct .pdf for individual RO applications. An improved PS printer > driver may be the best compromise. It's a pity that the importance of pdf support wasn't appreciated until late in the development life of Acorn. A system-common facility to print to pdf (and pdf-X) would have made a big difference. ;-( -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 13:14:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipkix-1pb000-02-DBU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:14:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipkix-1pb000-02-DBU; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipkix-1pb000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipkiw-00023h-PM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 225677B2B2E; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03475-01; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E81057B29BC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 856E47B289D for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03310-07 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 342A47B2833 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA7DCiNq003490 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:12:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:11:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe , Martin Wuerthner muttered: > Yes, that will certainly help. I expect that the proposed PostScript 3 > driver will eventually fix most of the limitations that cause trouble at > the moment. Plus, it is likely that it will offer CMYK printing support > with only minimal adjustments required in printing applications. I know it's probably a silly question, and one you've probably been asked loads of times, but do you have a rough timescale for when it might be ready? This year? Next year? Five years? Paul From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 13:34:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipl1W-2tV000-02-Csv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:34:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipl1W-2tV000-02-Csv; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:32:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipl1W-2tV000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:32:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipl1S-00013A-2Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:32:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 165EC7B2EDC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07006-09; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D78067B2EC8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49B897B26E5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06769-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6867B2B30 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133159.RZQR26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:31:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133157.MQT29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:31:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:25:24 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro > than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well > documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a > cross-platform format. I thought David had indicated some time back that there would be no more RISC OS specific development of OP, but it could benefit from spin-offs from the Windows OP. As Windows applications[1] invariably produce PDF output via a printer driver, I would hazard a guess that Windows OP will never have direct PDF output and therefor the RISC OS version won't either. [1] except MS Office 2007 which has a standalone PDF driver as part of the suite - although it can of course also use the myriad of PDF printer drivers available very cheaply. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 13:34:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipl1q-1uB000-05-Csb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:34:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipl1q-1uB000-05-Csb; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipl1q-1uB000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipl1h-0006Gd-Sd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CA4A7B2CE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-01; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3E477B2C58; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B97007B2CE5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06830-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CE957B26CF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133205.YOSA1783.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:32:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133205.MRE29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:32:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:29:58 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy > writes > >Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from > >Direct Postscript? > > Two methods, are Adobe Acrobat (which acts as a PostScript printer > driver) and GhostScript/GSView. > > There are many other printer drivers that produce PDF but they often are > based on Windows Meta Files like most Windows printer drivers. > PrimoPDF produces a very respectable PDF output - and it's free: http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/0,1000000375,39306930s,00.htm will find it. I haven't used it with OPW, but I see no reason why it won't work. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IplXm-1XFVbs-08-CMf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IplXm-1XFVbs-08-CMf; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:06:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IplXm-1XFVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:06:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IplXl-0004xJ-Nd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:06:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16C087B2C52; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11209-06; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BADE87B2951; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B2AF7B2C52 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11003-09 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EA127B2A9A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1IplWz3yAw-00052z; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:05:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:00:37 +0100 Message-ID: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+0dPOW/Fq9BIlkalsjKX0MTNCfxB+TCZ2YEGc F4/UQLvZplJtzIxEk5xsF0QDP+U1Lgp5lBvQTLBCVF96pxERtX ncyX5hBqjjWYy0mgmEDFrJSQ42DFb6o X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe , > Martin Wuerthner muttered: >> Yes, that will certainly help. I expect that the proposed PostScript 3 >> driver will eventually fix most of the limitations that cause trouble at >> the moment. Plus, it is likely that it will offer CMYK printing support >> with only minimal adjustments required in printing applications. > I know it's probably a silly question, and one you've probably been asked > loads of times, but do you have a rough timescale for when it might be > ready? This year? Next year? Five years? That is relatively easy to answer. It will not be this year, and if it does not happen next year it will never happen. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipm4x-1gSGPo-07-BpU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipm4x-1gSGPo-07-BpU; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipm4x-1gSGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipm4v-0002xU-Vq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5712C7B2F5F; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15044-05; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22A077B2F8E; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5D307B2F5F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14895-05 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DBAD7B2F5E for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ipm4C-000529-PI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:39:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >=20 > > In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wro= te: >=20 > >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the > >> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly > >> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. > Following your rough calculation (assuming the effort is realistic and > ignoring minor details like VAT) - in order to meet the price of =A330 = I > charged for ArtWorks direct PDF export you only need 250 OvationPro > users who are willing to upgrade. That does not seem at all > unrealistic to me. Very interesting as a revised analysis from One Who Knows About These Things. It sounds as if there could be a financially viable and rewarding project. > Of course, there is little point in such calculations because at the > end of the day it will be down to David's estimation of the required=20 > effort and of the number of potential buyers, plus of course the=20 > question whether he has any time to do it. There does also seem to be a greater chorus of approval for this extension of RISC OS OPro than for anything else I've heard of. I wonder what this will lead to?=20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpmGM-2NQGPo-07-Be5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpmGM-2NQGPo-07-Be5; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpmGM-2NQGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpmGH-0005vl-Jm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C139E7B314C; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16502-05-6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93C9A7B3152; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B02157B300D for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16313-10 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-gs4dmrelay.mistral.net (lon-gs4dmrelay.mistral.net [217.154.246.189]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BE757B2F71 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [89.240.3.226] (helo=riscube) by lon-gs4dmrelay.mistral.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ipm6M-0001TS-2D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:41:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro > > than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well > > documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a > > cross-platform format. > I thought David had indicated some time back that there would be no more > RISC OS specific development of OP, but it could benefit from spin-offs > from the Windows OP. > As Windows applications[1] invariably produce PDF output via a printer > driver, I would hazard a guess that Windows OP will never have direct PDF > output and therefor the RISC OS version won't either. As far as I can see, Open Office, Xara Extreme and Scribus all have direct PDF export. How it is implemented, I am not aware, but there again I don't need know - as far as I am concerned it is directly from the application. R -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpmW4-1oj000-04-BON.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpmW4-1oj000-04-BON; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:08:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpmW4-1oj000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:08:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpmW0-00079G-Sk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:08:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D1C17B2A57; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18856-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 125B37B296C; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D7C57B2A57 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18778-06 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAD407B293F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1IpmVH21ad-0002z4; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:07:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:06:41 +0100 Message-ID: <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18y5FLLV6erB0WERR756FjXiDemjzx/7UQwHf3 v5XGwK+UokUm8GxlRGB/MeKe/p7BFz8mMV6mIGtzWe6+gAcV/0 e5E55N/CeqM9cIRRNvtW6/BSmIy3Ffl X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> Richard Travers wrote: > In article , > Ray Dawson wrote: >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> >>> It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro >>> than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well >>> documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a >>> cross-platform format. >> I thought David had indicated some time back that there would be no more >> RISC OS specific development of OP, but it could benefit from spin-offs >> from the Windows OP. >> As Windows applications[1] invariably produce PDF output via a printer >> driver, I would hazard a guess that Windows OP will never have direct PDF >> output and therefor the RISC OS version won't either. > As far as I can see, Open Office, Xara Extreme and Scribus all have direct > PDF export. How it is implemented, I am not aware, but there again I don't > need know - as far as I am concerned it is directly from the application. Yes, and for precisely the same reasons why we want it for RISC OS applications: Because going through the printer driver loses information - CMYK colours for a start. So, Windows and RISC OS are pretty similar in that respect. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpoTa-1OFknw-08-9Qr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpoTa-1OFknw-08-9Qr; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:14:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpoTa-1OFknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:14:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpoTQ-00062v-72 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:14:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A94627B3E8F; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05706-09; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E6737B4243; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C42C7B3E8F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05522-04 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 620257B415F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 40AA11C00088 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:10:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-54404c03.wfd75b.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.76.3]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B538D1C00085 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:10:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071107171007742.B538D1C00085@mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:09:54 GMT Message-ID: <5cb41b3e4f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> As far as I can see, Open Office, Xara Extreme and Scribus all have direct >> PDF export. How it is implemented, I am not aware, but there again I don't >> need know - as far as I am concerned it is directly from the application. > Yes, and for precisely the same reasons why we want it for RISC OS > applications: Because going through the printer driver loses > information - CMYK colours for a start. So, Windows and RISC OS are > pretty similar in that respect. > Martin So would it be better to add direct PS/PDF creation to each application, or to improve the printer drivers? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 19:36:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpqYl-209knw-02-FsC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:36:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpqYl-209knw-02-FsC; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:27:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpqYl-209knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:27:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpqYk-00072i-55 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:27:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC2207B3A8B; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27441-07; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A83F97B39EC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D2C97B3A2B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27318-08 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 1FA067B30CC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Nov 2007 19:26:44 -0000 Received: from gprs-pool-1-008.eplus-online.de (EHLO [10.161.2.246]) [212.23.126.8] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 07 Nov 2007 20:26:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17337996 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dvB9ymGtdyLlNt3UaTqM/jxuAwVWuQDkXhnrhV3 yXdPCQyAwNdRWa Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.3.7.01 by Snapperfish To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> In-Reply-To: <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> From: Jochen Konietzko Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:26:12 +0100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: JochenKonietzko@gmx.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain ..... Original Message ....... On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> In message >> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>=20 >> > In message of 7 Nov, =22Rob Hemmings (News)=22 wrote: >>=20 >> >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the >> >> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly >> >> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. > > > >> Following your rough calculation (assuming the effort is realistic and >> ignoring minor details like VAT) - in order to meet the price of =A330 I >> charged for ArtWorks direct PDF export you only need 250 OvationPro >> users who are willing to upgrade. That does not seem at all >> unrealistic to me. > >Very interesting as a revised analysis from One Who Knows About These >Things. It sounds as if there could be a financially viable and >rewarding project. > >> Of course, there is little point in such calculations because at the >> end of the day it will be down to David's estimation of the required=20 >> effort and of the number of potential buyers, plus of course the=20 >> question whether he has any time to do it. > >There does also seem to be a greater chorus of approval for this >extension of RISC OS OPro than for anything else I've heard of. I >wonder what this will lead to?=20 > >--=20 >Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim=40= powys.org >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:/= /powys.org/ Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for myself an= d my girlfriend. Regards,=20 Jochen=20 ---------------------------------------------------- Sent with SnapperMail on a Palm T=7CT3 Jochen Konietzko=20 F=FChlinger Weg 4 D-50765 K=F6ln +49/1772998789 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 21:56:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipskn-2XXVbs-02-DgA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:56:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipskn-2XXVbs-02-DgA; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipskn-2XXVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipskm-00076k-OG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ADF27B4082; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18558-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D81417B40B4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D43C97B4082 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18413-04 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A8AF7B4079 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D347E2AAFEA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:47:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E63DBABA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:47:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX04cJLAO0T4 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:45:05 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687AEDBA9C for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:47:17 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:47:27 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, Jochen Konietzko wrote: > ..... Original Message ....... > On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > >> In message > >> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >> > >> > In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: > >> > >> >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the > >> >> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly > >> >> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. [snip] > Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for myself and my girlfriend. I would certainly go for a couple too! Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 11:47:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq1pS-2HM000-07-D81.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:47:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq1pS-2HM000-07-D81; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:29:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq1pS-2HM000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:29:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq1pR-0005Xj-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:29:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E839C7B30B1; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10761-04; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B20E07B31E0; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8183C7B30B1 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10609-08 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09DA67B3033 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108072843.GIDK26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:28:43 +0000 Received: from iyonix ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108072843.MHJL29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:28:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:02:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, > Jochen Konietzko wrote: >> ..... Original Message ....... >> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>>In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>> >>>> In message >>>> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>>> >>>>> In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the >>>>>> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly >>>>>> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. > [snip] >> Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for >> myself and my girlfriend. > I would certainly go for a couple too! > Keith Count me in for one copy, Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 11:47:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq4pp-2Vi000-03-A7e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:47:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq4pp-2Vi000-03-A7e; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:42:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq4pp-2Vi000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:42:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq4pn-0006q3-EC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:42:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2D347B3CAE; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26721-03; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF52A7B3D91; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:41:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B54AB7B3CAE for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26504-07 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 005957B3A03 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Iq4oh0eOZ-0003ad; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:41:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:40:44 +0100 Message-ID: <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Mxkz1P53ee5LxciiQem9v9ckjs4TQnSvOVYS q8EXILQPWqCX4v9ZMHe5fXgXvFeW3qf31fM6jZ/Scyu3jcwDCo eRx7q3c4WEQnHZZRwpCaWXtRVBgDaRF X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> > Keith Hopper wrote: >> In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, >> Jochen Konietzko wrote: > >>> Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for >>> myself and my girlfriend. >> >> I would certainly go for a couple too! > > Count me in for one copy, Gentlemen, I do not think this is the right medium. Do you seriously expect everyone else to announce their intention to buy the proposed upgrade via this list as well and would you really want to see all these messages? The majority of potential buyers would not speak up here unless there was an official call to do, which I hope will not happen because this is a discussion list and not an opinion poll. There would be be far better methods to gauge interest in case David wanted to find out (e.g., asking those who are interested to send a private e-mail with a specific subject, so they can be counted automatically). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 11:47:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq551-4aq000-02-9sS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:47:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq551-4aq000-02-9sS; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:57:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq551-4aq000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:57:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq551-0005oK-5x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:57:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C1007B2C12; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28137-02; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0823E7B31A4; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:57:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1825F7B2C12 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27933-08 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5EEE7B2C30 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108105702.JSOK26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:02 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108105702.RQPE219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:02 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:56:46 GMT Message-ID: <10617d3e4f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> >> Keith Hopper wrote: >>> In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, >>> Jochen Konietzko wrote: >> >>>> Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for >>>> myself and my girlfriend. >>> >>> I would certainly go for a couple too! >> >> Count me in for one copy, > Gentlemen, I do not think this is the right medium. Do you seriously > expect everyone else to announce their intention to buy the proposed > upgrade via this list as well and would you really want to see all > these messages? The majority of potential buyers would not speak up > here unless there was an official call to do, which I hope will not > happen because this is a discussion list and not an opinion poll. > There would be be far better methods to gauge interest in case David > wanted to find out (e.g., asking those who are interested to send a > private e-mail with a specific subject, so they can be counted > automatically). Oh dear Martin, we are guilty of doing it in the past. 8-( Alan (feeling told off again) -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 12:17:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq6G7-45fknw-05-8hM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:17:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq6G7-45fknw-05-8hM; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:13:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq6G7-45fknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:13:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq6G6-0006k0-Oh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:13:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F39C7B41C9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02814-03; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7172F7B4231; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:12:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B33617B41C9 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02640-04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B1F37B4160 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iq6FN-00006l-0r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:12:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:11:28 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >export from OvationPro than from ArtWorks. Actually, I think there are >far more OvationPro users around than ArtWorks users (to give you an I am impressed by how Martin has kept enthusiasm up and raised money to keep development work going for ArtWorks. I probably could have done the same with Ovation Pro. Thanks for all the discussion. It occurs to me that when Martin's new printer driver comes out then there will be less enthusiasm for enhanced PostScript/PDF output from Ovation Pro. What you will want then is CMYK support for the new printer driver. I expect I will do that. As to PDF export etc. I don't know. I might I suppose. I am not enthusiastic. I've seen so many years work on RISC OS go to waste. (incidentally there were hints above that ArtWorks graphics would not render if OP produced PDF). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq8hM-2HSVbs-07-Emd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq8hM-2HSVbs-07-Emd; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq8hM-2HSVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq8hK-0001yM-2B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47DC07B44ED; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25212-05; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14A2E7B4503; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19F4A7B4457 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24962-04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8CB67B446F for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-28-149.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.28.149]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169CEE00045F for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:48:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:48:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes > >export from OvationPro than from ArtWorks. Actually, I think there are > >far more OvationPro users around than ArtWorks users (to give you an > I am impressed by how Martin has kept enthusiasm up and raised money to > keep development work going for ArtWorks. > I probably could have done the same with Ovation Pro. > Thanks for all the discussion. > It occurs to me that when Martin's new printer driver comes out then > there will be less enthusiasm for enhanced PostScript/PDF output from > Ovation Pro. > What you will want then is CMYK support for the new printer driver. I > expect I will do that. > As to PDF export etc. I don't know. I might I suppose. I am not > enthusiastic. I've seen so many years work on RISC OS go to waste. > (incidentally there were hints above that ArtWorks graphics would not > render if OP produced PDF). The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be that I could then easily share documents that I have created on OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial printers. For example, I have created a long document (about 150 pages), with lots of colour pictures, about my family history that I would like to share with some of my relatives who only have Windows based computers. To be able to send them a .pdf file would be ideal but to get it printed first would cost a considerable amount of money. I know one answer is to try and persuade them to load the read only version of OvationPro but that will be more complicated for them and some of them are not very computer literate! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq8pp-20RGPo-06-EeA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq8pp-20RGPo-06-EeA; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:58:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq8pp-20RGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:58:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq8pm-0005LP-Lm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:58:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D97D27B37F7; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26808-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABBE27B2BB0; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AAF97B3573 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26633-09 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E93DB7B3567 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Iq8p3-0001LD-P2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:57:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e90731fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 08 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > As to PDF export etc. I don't know. I might I suppose. I am not > enthusiastic. I've seen so many years work on RISC OS go to waste. *All* computer development goe to waste. *All* spending on computers is wasted money. All you need do is wate for something better to come along - and it will soon, and make all that work and spending an utter waste of time ... .. except that, unless someone does development today, and unless someone spends money on that development today, your (our) system won't have a tomorrow. As I see it there are some people happy to spend money on Ovation Pro today - and I'll be pleased to help promote that idea. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq926-3kEVbs-07-ERt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq926-3kEVbs-07-ERt; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq926-3kEVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq923-00059w-28 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 390957B43F2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29015-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F90D7B43C0; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:10:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 682C77B44BD for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28815-02-2 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A582C7B4420 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.262) id 473326cc.18533.b8b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:10:04 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:10:04 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 8 Nov at 14:48 "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote in message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> > > For example, I have created a long document (about 150 pages), with lots > of colour pictures, about my family history that I would like to share > with some of my relatives who only have Windows based computers. To be > able to send them a .pdf file would be ideal but to get it printed first > would cost a considerable amount of money. > I have, for several years, been producing technical manuals in OPro on RISC OS (in fact the only thing I use my RPC for nowadays). I print them to PostScript using the PS printer driver, and convert that to PDF using one of the many ps -> pdf converters (Nowadays under Linux, 'cos it's faster, but the RISC OS products are quite adequate). As has been commented here, going through the ps printer driver is not ideal, and unsuitable for pre-press, but for what you (and I) require, it is perfectly adequate. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq92N-0xiVbs-08-ERc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq92N-0xiVbs-08-ERc; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq92N-0xiVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq92L-0007nH-J2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4F7F7B4560; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29140-02; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A2B87B4469; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4BA7B43B3 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28901-10 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5526D7B4549 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1Iq91c-00031z-Bg for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:10:32 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Spark FS 1.41b ? Received: from 61.203.149.86 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:10:32 +0000 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:10:32 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. Regards Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9M3-2IKVbs-08-E7w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9M3-2IKVbs-08-E7w; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9M3-2IKVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9Lu-0003PJ-0I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 560BD7B477E; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32657-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 273407B477A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E4F87B457A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32483-04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 282367B4554 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ChrisV.chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk (dsl82-163-137-4.as15444.net [82.163.137.4]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA8FTuH6024339 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:29:57 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Venables X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:33:07 GMT Message-ID: <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35S) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris.venab@orpheusinternet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message "Ian Platt" wrote: > Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? > The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on the > iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. > Regards > Ian P. YES I do not know whether or not my 1.41 version has been patched as it still appears with the same Icon and date! Chris.V -- This e-mail is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept my apologies; please do not disclose, copy or distribute the information in this e-mail or act on its contents: to do so may be unlawful. Please inform me that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Thank you for your co-operation. Chris. Venables 01434 608277 chris.venab@orpheusinternet.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9l9-2JVknw-01-Diq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9l9-2JVknw-01-Diq; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9l9-2JVknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9l3-0004zh-K1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADF0C7B3798; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04616-04; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 832237B415A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84E497B3798 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04469-05 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C28CF7B31FB for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iq9jS-000CP5-Ga for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:55:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e98fdedcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > For example, I have created a long document (about 150 pages), with lots > of colour pictures, about my family history that I would like to share > with some of my relatives who only have Windows based computers. To be > able to send them a .pdf file would be ideal but to get it printed first > would cost a considerable amount of money. I am regularly creating documents in OvPro and sending them as pdfs to others. Yes, its a 2 stage process (print to file as PS2 and then use RiScript to create the pdf) but it works well. I can send stuff for printing this way, too. Some of my posters have been blown up to A0 and look wonderful. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9uQ-4gDVbs-08-DZZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9uQ-4gDVbs-08-DZZ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:07:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9uQ-4gDVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:07:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9uE-00065V-DN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:07:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53AB47B3229; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06422-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E6E17B4491; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F215F7B3229 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06247-06 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail1.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 607137B3723 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace. (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail1.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AE250F79 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:06:13 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? Message-ID: <4f3e99b0f0bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Ian Platt wrote: > Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? No > The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the > same on the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. I believe David said that only the Zip module has changed, which is confirmed by the ReadMe file in the downloaded zip. Hence main version number remains at 1.41. Do *H.zip which should show the new module v1.40 (01 Nov 2007). Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9vh-3im000-06-DYI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9vh-3im000-06-DYI; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9vh-3im000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9vc-0000KC-2u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E6467B43F4; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06639-05; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E90A47B4894; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:07:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 846B67B43F4 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06532-05 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 029277B451E for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Iq9ur15UV-0003vj; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:07:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: <6ad4993e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9z3LEBBALzxrf6/POC0+nSSfSXhXZMnQcnIC v0JnIeL1+UGip45U+kt+yTGe+Xs9NtACdKDQS/r88t1oTo3/vE YUTmkzh/hVWRsfpVdtTD0uCMK+pBEbC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> Chris Venables wrote: > In message > "Ian Platt" wrote: >> Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? No. >> The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 Yes, this is intentional. David's upgrades are always named after the version you upgrade *from*. This is different from the practice followed by other vendors but each convention has its downsides. David's method makes a lot of sense because normally, everyone wants to upgrade *to* the latest version whereas users often upgrade *from* different versions. >> and it says the same on the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. As has been pointed out by David on this list this is as intended. > YES > I do not know whether or not my 1.41 version has been patched as it > still appears with the same Icon and date! True, but since the main application was not changed, this is precisely as expected. If you are unsure you can always have a look at the file !SparkFS.Modules.Zip. The upgraded copy has a file and module date of 01 Nov 07. To avoid precisely this irritation with ArtWorks I usually include an upgraded copy of the main application executable with a new version number with every upgrade even if just a module has changed. This is a waste of space but it is worth it because it avoid confusion. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqAAz-1ErGPo-08-DJ0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqAAz-1ErGPo-08-DJ0; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqAAz-1ErGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqAAt-0001E3-Rf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44B037B4C69; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09181-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09C057B4BD9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71D477B4BD6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08927-02 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82AE07B4BBF for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1IqA9f-00088Y-7y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:22:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:22:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? Message-ID: <4f3e9b3b59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Ian Platt wrote: > Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? > The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on > the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. For crying out loud! - The following was posted on Mon 5th Nov by David P in a thread 'SparkFS 1.41b'. ------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 >(20th October 2004). Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 *help modules will show you. Sorry for not being clear enough. ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:36:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqBEF-4SYknw-06-CFk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:36:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqBEF-4SYknw-06-CFk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqBEF-4SYknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqBE6-0002Y5-KZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E89107B4C6A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19387-03; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0F8A7B4CEB; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 269A57B4C6A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19226-02 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8148D7B4C03 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqBCI-000NFO-B3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:28:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" writes >The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be >that I could then easily share documents that I have created on >OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I >would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial >printers. You have options right now. You can use GhostScript on RISC OS to produce PDF. There's the Taborca printer driver and there is RISC Script. Then you could take your RISC OS PostScript over to Windows and turn it into PDF there - probably squillions of programs are available to do that. You can take your OP document to Windows, use the Windows version of OP, that does have its own PostScript generation, so you can get decent PostScript (as opposed to the indecent stuff on RISC OS) and then again feed it into Windows GhostScript or use one of the many PDF printer drivers available. There's no charge for using the read only version of OP on Windows to produce PostScript. The catch above is that once you move the document to Windows you lose ArtWorks support. That is just the same as if OP on RISC OS had PDF generation built in. I'd not want to inflict OP on your relatives, give them a PDF, no problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 18:46:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqCJo-0sbVbs-04-BAB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:46:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqCJo-0sbVbs-04-BAB; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:41:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqCJo-0sbVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:41:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqCJj-00023Z-CN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F08C77B4BEB; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30202-05; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C45187B4C4A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB767B4BEB for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29948-08 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D13117B4BB6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-28-149.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.28.149]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACB8E000646 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:40:40 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" > writes > >The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be > >that I could then easily share documents that I have created on > >OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I > >would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial > >printers. > You have options right now. You can use GhostScript on RISC OS to > produce PDF. There's the Taborca printer driver and there is RISC > Script. Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. I do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared to pay for the convenience of direct output. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 19:16:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqCjv-2RVknw-08-Ak4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:16:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqCjv-2RVknw-08-Ak4; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:08:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqCjv-2RVknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:08:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqCjf-0002KB-6L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:08:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DD017B4E76; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02446-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F5017B4E6B; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:07:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEC177B4E21 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02124-10 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 67DBB7B45E7 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67465 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 19:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 19:07:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oVHZOl8VM1nm12blz3.ujRAuKA5UAGype7s7IIY.nYseJlFw14VPsYwIZ5SxS4fFLqBHIHg1lw-- Message-ID: <47335E5D.7060105@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:07:09 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" > writes >> The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be >> that I could then easily share documents that I have created on >> OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I >> would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial >> printers. > > You have options right now... > > ... you could take your RISC OS PostScript over to Windows and turn it > into PDF there - probably squillions of programs are available to do that. Yes, I used to do that at one time, but found that Acrobat Distiller didn't like the RiscOS PostScript. It would work with distiller set to small file size or standard (600 dpi), but invariably would fail in press (2400 dpi) mode. This (and Unicode support) was the reason I switched to OPW. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 19:16:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqCqY-0HM000-03-AdR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:16:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqCqY-0HM000-03-AdR; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqCqY-0HM000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqCqN-0004tT-Ty for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5F3B7B506D; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03797-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A747B4F94; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9893C7B4F80 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03677-02 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 839DC7B4F70 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-82-31.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.82.31]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD132B68F9 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:14:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:13:20 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 8 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote in message <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>: > Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. I > do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is > possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much > more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I > will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared to > pay for the convenience of direct output. Out of interest, what is inconvenient about the use of PrintPDF in conjunction with GhostScript? I'm happy to incorporate any sensible suggestions for making the process easier, if they're practical to do within the constraints of the printing system. At present you select the PDF printer from your Printers in the iconbar, print from O-Pro and drag the resulting PDF file to a directory. I'm obviously biased, but from here it looks very nearly as easy as direct export would be. If O-Pro offered export itself, I assume it would still need to allow the print options to be set first. http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/printpdf/ Note that there will be a new version out this weekend, if I manage to get the documentation finished and I don't find any bugs in the interim. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqG1a-1xRGPo-08-Fyv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqG1a-1xRGPo-08-Fyv; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:38:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqG1a-1xRGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:38:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqG1a-0007HQ-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:38:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB8187B4D5A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02488-06-2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C4647B4D63; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EE6D7B4C0B for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02293-09 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A0977B4B93 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-28-149.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.28.149]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F53FE000A4D for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:38:13 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:36:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 8 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote in message > <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>: > > Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. > > I do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is > > possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much > > more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I > > will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared > > to pay for the convenience of direct output. > Out of interest, what is inconvenient about the use of PrintPDF in > conjunction with GhostScript? I'm happy to incorporate any sensible > suggestions for making the process easier, if they're practical to do > within the constraints of the printing system. At present you select > the PDF printer from your Printers in the iconbar, print from O-Pro and > drag the resulting PDF file to a directory. PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent application. However, to use PrintPDF you still have to install an extra item of software and have an additional Printer installed that I am only going to use very occasionally. While this is not a huge problem it is still more convenient with an application like Artworks that simply lets you choose to export a .pdf file without having to ensure something else is installed (and loaded) first. It also avoids having to go via the RISC OS printing system which is not always perfect! It is just a difference of degree. I'll admit I'm probably being lazy but I just like the convenience of the direct generation. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqH9M-2gMVbs-02-Er9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqH9M-2gMVbs-02-Er9; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:51:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqH9M-2gMVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:51:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqH9L-0001l0-UX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:51:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F130F7B4D72; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12410-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD5E67B4DD9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85FC87B4DF6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12252-06 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13DC87B4DEF for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqH8c-0002uJ-Me for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:50:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > In article <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt > wrote: > > On 8 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote in message > > <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>: > > > Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. > > > I do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is > > > possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much > > > more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I > > > will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared > > > to pay for the convenience of direct output. > > Out of interest, what is inconvenient about the use of PrintPDF in > > conjunction with GhostScript? I'm happy to incorporate any sensible > > suggestions for making the process easier, if they're practical to do > > within the constraints of the printing system. At present you select > > the PDF printer from your Printers in the iconbar, print from O-Pro and > > drag the resulting PDF file to a directory. > > PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of improving > a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the following as > criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent application. > However, to use PrintPDF you still have to install an extra item of > software and have an additional Printer installed that I am only going to > use very occasionally. While this is not a huge problem it is still more > convenient with an application like Artworks that simply lets you choose > to export a .pdf file without having to ensure something else is > installed (and loaded) first. It also avoids having to go via the RISC > OS printing system which is not always perfect! > It is just a difference of degree. I'll admit I'm probably being lazy > but I just like the convenience of the direct generation. I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. It would make sense to have a single printer icon on the icon bar that, when chosen and printing activated, a save as ps / save as pdf window popped up with the choice to drag to a directory. NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the extended format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial printers? -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqHl0-2mKVbs-05-EFV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqHl0-2mKVbs-05-EFV; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqHl0-2mKVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqHku-0003Xm-3n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D3EA7B4C16; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17693-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 347297B4C59; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F52F7B4A05 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17597-01 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A22097B4AC8 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-82-31.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.82.31]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556482DE4B4 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:17:47 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > > > PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of > > improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the > > following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent > > application. [snip] > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? > It would make sense to have a single printer icon on the icon bar that, > when chosen and printing activated, a save as ps / save as pdf window > popped up with the choice to drag to a directory. I dare say that PrintPDF could easily be made to save raw PS files if needed (the underlying code to queue the output from the PS printer driver is there already), though I'm not sure that complicating the UI like that would be worthwhile these days given the amount that raw PS files don't (IME) get used. > A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the > extended format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial > printers? The work that Martin and John Tytgat are proposing for Printers seems to be intended to cover a number of what I understand to be the problems, isn't it? Hasn't David already stated in this thread that, should a suitable new version of Printers appear, he would look to support it in RISC OS O-Pro? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqQTP-28b000-08-E3c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqQTP-28b000-08-E3c; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqQTP-28b000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqQTN-0006pr-9O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5DFE7B50BF; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13502-03; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DFC97B51F9; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:47:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DD287B50BF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13291-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB6A57B50A4 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1IqQSf35jd-0005Eh; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX193QFHZ4YzRCemCWokDfYWdVWEdTyq7WAZWo9T zPS5mQehUjn5jm8iQCuIHZQKj5MZrCf2T+h9Nwtr4D85YnwYdd hXUF2ocH7nzAxppehAm+rUG7xwgAkOY X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful > people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps file with > something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could be changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find useful would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, !Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial to add to !Printers. > A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the extended > format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial printers? I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the term does not make any sense. What we want is standard PDFs with CMYK colours. There is a standard for that called PDF-X. Maybe this is what you meant, but if so, then please note that PDF-X is the very opposite of an "extended" PDF format, it is a "limited" PDF format, i.e., it eXcludes certain things. Currently, we cannot generate PDF-X sensibly because applications cannot print CMYK colours. With ArtWorks you can generate files that satisfy the PDF-X constraints though ArtWorks does not have an PDF-X option that would enforce them. With minor additions to the PostScript printer driver and the overall printing system and relatively minor updates to OvationPro that would be possible. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqQln-4eNVbs-01-DlE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqQln-4eNVbs-01-DlE; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqQln-4eNVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqQll-0000cf-It for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1AD97B514C; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17234-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65C1A7B52B6; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:06:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62DDC7B5169 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16932-06 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F063A7B506C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109100633.LQRD25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:06:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109100633.KFFH26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:06:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:02:17 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for > > forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps > > file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could > be changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find > useful would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", > which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you > would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, > !Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial > to add to !Printers. Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqRDP-1znGPo-02-DJc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqRDP-1znGPo-02-DJc; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqRDP-1znGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqRDH-0005yH-Et for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D312D7B52C9; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21045-01; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98F4C7B5267; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 598147B4FDE for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20822-09 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 255107B4FA5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqRCZ-0002lx-2P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message > <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > > On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > > > > > PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of > > > improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the > > > following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent > > > application. > [snip] > > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. > You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? Paul & Louise will be most miffed that they spent all that money and floor space on buying a print-shop machine had they known ... ;-) Whilst you and others have done remarkable work (thanks Martin & the RS authors) we still don't have what I need. [Snip] -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqROJ-2hxGPo-02-D8i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqROJ-2hxGPo-02-D8i; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqROJ-2hxGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqROE-0004E6-Lw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C2D27B5401; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22985-08; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44A887B542D; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:45:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52F127B5391 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22325-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 567F47B538D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1IqRMy36Ee-0004tX; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:41:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX183Lb1J9BNY37WoR/10716zjrwm3gREMQVdo5G o+KsfwBkfwkfWn94C6yUvWxKpsdf1aJ57NskYrbSYnml72fXYM 44ZSZo4AIuCbolFg2CKOCq0M7fINPjl X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> >> John Cartmell wrote: >> >>> NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for >>> forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps >>> file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( >> >> True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is >> requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could >> be changed in the !Printers front-end. [...] > > Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same > place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept > together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable > suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? Unfortunately, !Printers does not have the slightest idea whether an application prints a file in the first place and if so, where that file might be stored. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqROh-1j9GPo-05-D8K.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqROh-1j9GPo-05-D8K; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqROh-1j9GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqROV-00014f-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 321727B5322; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23004-04; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE19F7B542E; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:45:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B3C97B535E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22343-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B6167B50ED for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1IqRMz0B5G-0004tX; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: <0936003f4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX186SuDz0nYpZgKTUq9fxnIKqV5VEPcCwyv04Kf EvnkdCbReENTG3pvq4H9lsJzXXgwS/zqec16zlrOHwRj3vMOX0 qzSCeAIwNXyvO555G9CHbNauzCA3gWX X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: >> On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message >> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: >>> On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: >>> >>>> PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of >>>> improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the >>>> following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent >>>> application. >> [snip] >>> I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that >>> could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. >> You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? > So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files to > our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? No, but this was not what you asked for above. For PDF (not PS), PrintPDF does exactly what you requested: Anything that can be printed can be saved as PDF. > Paul & Louise will be most miffed that they spent all that money and floor > space on buying a print-shop machine had they known ... ;-) Your feature request above would not have helped Paul & Louise. > Whilst you and others have done remarkable work (thanks Martin & the RS > authors) we still don't have what I need. Maybe, but your request above would not make any difference. What you want is creating PDFs for commercial printing. What you asked for was completely unrelated to that. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:57:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSM4-2ePGPo-06-CAx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:57:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSM4-2ePGPo-06-CAx; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSM4-2ePGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSM3-0006pT-No for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F0E07B4FE2; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30363-07; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF0127B4F04; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:48:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00F2B7B4FE2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30274-04 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61A657B4EB0 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3*vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.262) id 473448fa.10619.1bf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:48:10 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:48:10 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 9 Nov at 9:47 Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for > > forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps > > file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could be > changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find useful > would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", which would > be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you would not specify a > destination. Then, when printing has completed, !Printers would pop up a > save box. That should be relatively trivial to add to !Printers. > Do it with a system variable. I have, in my PS printer setup, Connection To File: In each user dir from which I might want to generate PS, I have a small Obey file containing: Set PrinterType$PS .text/ps I just double-click it when opening the directory. [snip] -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:57:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSQn-3H1000-03-C6E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:57:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSQn-3H1000-03-C6E; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:53:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSQn-3H1000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:53:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSQm-0006mM-FX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:53:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2C767B41E5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31167-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE0647B47EC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:53:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82F597B41E5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31080-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6237B3F9C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.49.20.172] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSPj-0001v6-Mb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:50:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you >would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, >!Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial >to add to !Printers. All this is reminiscent of the situation on Windows, there you can print to a fixed file, or you can elect to have a Save As window appear when printing is complete. All this can be done at the printer driver level, in addition applications like OPW offer a button which makes the Save As window appear for printing. >> A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the extended >> format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial printers? I believe what is on offer from the new printer driver Martin is writing is CMYK support. I don't know what other additional information he may support. To get the current results with PostScript printing, OP has to add stuff direct to the final PostScript. Off hand I can think of CMYK sprites and irregular clipping, there are other nasty things that go on. Acorn's attitude to all this was "never add anything direct to the printer output". I guess Martin has the option to formalise some of these additions, to not do anything that breaks them, or to upset the acorn cart. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSW6-3bS000-05-C0v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSW6-3bS000-05-C0v; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSW6-3bS000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSVz-0001Pc-AJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8228B7B513B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31670-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51E767B50E0; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:58:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D80E7B4A5D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31503-09 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F34037B4A00 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSVF-0007aW-Ng for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:58:25 +0000 Message-ID: <0xhVYsCNsENHFwKf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:57:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files to >our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? We discussed this a few weeks back. What we never pinned down was what the printers want. Is it specific PDF/PostScript - for example their system depends on output from Quark and anything else will go wrong. If they are as specific as that then there's not much hope. On the other hand, the PostScript which RISC OS currently produces is idiosyncratic and poses lots of problems. I'd guess it is quite possible that Martin's new PostScript driver will produce PS so much cleaner that there will be no problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSWp-4ez000-02-C0C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSWp-4ez000-02-C0C; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSWp-4ez000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSWj-0002V8-Fa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C06987B50AB; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31956-01; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F6B47B50B7; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:59:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B2F77B4AEB for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15595-01 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD7F77B4AAE for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZD-0001kv-Ur for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZD-0001kF-3a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:25:35 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 9 22:54:23 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6171 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 162 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 190 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 07 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > rar has been talked about in the past. I think I once started on a rar > module. I also once offered to co-operate in a third party rar module. > It's all a bit like the reply to your question about OP and PDF - lack > of time, lack of users... Lack of time I can understand, but many RISC OS must surely use SparkFS - the way it seamlessly integrates into the filer is outstanding, and us RISC OS users love our Filer :-) There's not really any competition for SparkFS really - if you want superior archive handling then SparkFS is the one. More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is cack or something). *bye -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSXP-1UcVbs-08-Bzc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSXP-1UcVbs-08-Bzc; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSXP-1UcVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSXK-0007Dj-Oc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E6A47B50AB; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32006-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62D6F7B4558; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0657D7B4A9A for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15516-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF32C7B3CA0 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZE-0001lR-Fv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZE-0001kF-1J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:12:11 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ef7a400monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 9 22:54:24 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7716 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 339 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 191 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 08 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > That is relatively easy to answer. It will not be this year, and if it > does not happen next year it will never happen. Is there anything interested users can do to help you and John make it happen? It would solve a number of problems for many of us. Would RiScript be likely to produce superior pdfs using the postscript 3 driver? *bye -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSYX-4OCVbs-07-ByU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSYX-4OCVbs-07-ByU; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSYX-4OCVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSYW-00023a-JV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28B987B50DE; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32180-03; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E762A7B525B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57AEB7B4A83 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15516-09 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C9457B4AEF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZF-0001mG-9l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:25 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZE-0001kF-Re for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:57:56 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3efbd43amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:25 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 9 22:54:25 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6976 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 232 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 192 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain This is a thought provoking thread - I'm glad I asked such loaded questions! re: direct .pdf output. Has anyone else found the direct .pdf output in Artworks incredibly quick (compared to Taborca), or was it merely the type of documents I was working on? Would direct output in OvPro be quicker than via postscript? If direct .pdf output from OvPro would not keep Artworks data in vector format that could be a disadvantage. re: OvPro exporting as Artworks More discussion - What if we turn it the other way around: could Artworks import OvationPro documents (and would this be 'easier')? One can edit artworks graphics via OLE in OvPro, so overall I imagine that it would be better for OvationPro to be able to export as Artworks. Could Artworks EPS export be added to OvPro on a page by page basis? Another idea - could OvationPro import AW files 'intelligently' so you could manipulate any text (and text boxes) in AW files directly in OvPro? :-) I guess I have an active imagination, but the possibility of having these two excellent apps being able to interact and exchange data more seamlessly would give such a useful design/publishing suite. It would certainly prevent the "I've started this in Artworks but OvationPro would be better at this stage" (or vice-versa). regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSZA-0aV000-06-Bxr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSZA-0aV000-06-Bxr; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSZA-0aV000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSZA-0003aV-BD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0C157B50E5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32258-04; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D7C57B51DC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:01:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC5F07B4DB1 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24499-01 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-cgirelay02.plus.net (ptb-cgirelay02.plus.net [195.166.130.41]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E74D7B45B1 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ge0-1-0-7.ptn-gw2.plus.net ([212.159.6.51]:55836 helo=webmail.plus.net) by ptb-cgirelay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IqRak-00043l-0z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:00:02 +0000 Received: from 163.160.252.16 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tinshill+ajh) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:00:02 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:00:02 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 193 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > [snip] >> A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the >> extended >> format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial >> printers? > > I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the > term does not make any sense. [snip Unfortunately there are two common uses of the pdf name for files on RISC OS and I think there may be some confusion arising from that. I read John's question relating to printer definition files (or the PS equivalent ppd files) which define options available on the output device and allow selecting appropriate ones at print time, and which Martin and John Tytgat are reported as planning to support Anthony From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:27:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSrz-1yX000-06-Bf2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:27:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSrz-1yX000-06-Bf2; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSrz-1yX000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSry-0003Iw-N9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13DE67B5382; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01287-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD4D87B5346; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB3387B52E5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01020-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7436D7B52D5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSr8-0004zk-Ma for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > > John Cartmell wrote: > > > > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for > > > forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps > > > file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > > > > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could > > be changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find > > useful would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", > > which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you > > would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, > > !Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial > > to add to !Printers. > Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same > place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept > together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable > suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? I like Ray's idea as an option - but an improvement on the present system is needed, it's possible to overprint a ps file without appreciating what you have done: "Why is that blasted printer not working?"... -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:27:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSs1-1yk000-06-Bf0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:27:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSs1-1yk000-06-Bf0; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSs1-1yk000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSrz-00068r-C3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C42EA7B52FF; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01281-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BC777B533C; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 596947B52FF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01037-05 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BD927B52E7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSrI-0004zk-NM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f07ef14john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > wrote: > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful > > people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps file with > > something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could be > changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find useful > would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", which would > be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you would not specify a > destination. Then, when printing has completed, !Printers would pop up a > save box. That should be relatively trivial to add to !Printers. > > A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the > > extended format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial > > printers? > I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the term > does not make any sense. What we want is standard PDFs with CMYK colours. > There is a standard for that called PDF-X. Maybe this is what you meant, > but if so, then please note that PDF-X is the very opposite of an > "extended" PDF format, it is a "limited" PDF format, i.e., it eXcludes > certain things. Currently, we cannot generate PDF-X sensibly because > applications cannot print CMYK colours. With ArtWorks you can generate > files that satisfy the PDF-X constraints though ArtWorks does not have an > PDF-X option that would enforce them. I did mean pdf-X. My loose use of extended was because that is what it would be for me as (AFAIK) I use none of the aspects that are forbidden in that standard. Using it would require me to manually (or hopefully have added automatically*, which is part of what I'm leading towards) define additional features. > With minor additions to the PostScript printer driver and the overall > printing system and relatively minor updates to OvationPro that would be > possible. That would be so welcome! PDF/X-3? *Being guided to a one-time setting media box, trim box, bleed box and automatically ensuring that all fonts are embedded is the sort of thing I'm meaning. Producing pdfs (for me) is always done under pressure of time and the fewer variables to go wrong at that stage - the better. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:47:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqTDg-13m000-04-BJL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:47:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqTDg-13m000-04-BJL; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqTDg-13m000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqTDf-0005sO-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72D907B4A2B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03724-03; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EA7D7B4AA8; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97FED7B4A2B for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03594-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36ABD7B487E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1IqTCx44K7-0001u7; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:43:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:43:15 +0100 Message-ID: <01f70a3f4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DXsMzvrNcn/pYgG6mUFGvfS8XEgDwj19GU1K VBbHgsaYMi5aaig16HmAZ5C+32NcwFsg5Stpw6oW4ISQQ/AX00 3iFy6gd3Wr2HpjMMp/MY2lk3FJqY1jm X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> ajh@tinshill.force9.co.uk wrote: >> In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> >> John Cartmell wrote: >> > [snip] >>> A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the >>> extended >>> format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial >>> printers? >> >> I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the >> term does not make any sense. > [snip > Unfortunately there are two common uses of the pdf name for files on RISC > OS and I think there may be some confusion arising from that. True, but not in this thread which is all about Adobe PDF and in which nobody has referred to printer definition files so far. See John's reply - he was referring to Adobe PDF. > I read John's question relating to printer definition files (or the PS > equivalent ppd files) which define options available on the output device > and allow selecting appropriate ones at print time, and which Martin and > John Tytgat are reported as planning to support > Support for PPD files is an entirely different story. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 13:07:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqTVX-2EL000-04-B1U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:07:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqTVX-2EL000-04-B1U; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqTVX-2EL000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqTVX-0006vZ-Hu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE8217B4DB2; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06594-06; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80F247B5053; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2FBF7B4DB2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06449-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 765E37B4D89 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lA9D1pOM017327 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:01:56 GMT In-Reply-To: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:03:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is > cack or something). > WinZip costs money .rar is free. To be fair, there are free applications that produce .zip files, but they usually support .rar as well. The rar format is open and free and can be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 13:17:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqTgi-0BnVbs-02-AqJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:17:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqTgi-0BnVbs-02-AqJ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqTgi-0BnVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqTgh-0004ky-G3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 672E27B5329; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08373-02; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BBD97B53C1; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DACBF7B534D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08160-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 972187B5347 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1IqTfw-0006sb-S7 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:13:32 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? Received: from 220.108.128.68 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:13:32 +0000 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: <6IF0CPg9.1194614012.8532650.plattir@gol.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3e9b3b59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:13:32 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11/8/2007, "Chris Johnson" wrote: >In article , > Ian Platt wrote: > >> Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? > >> The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on >> the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. > >For crying out loud! - The following was posted on Mon 5th Nov by >David P in a thread 'SparkFS 1.41b'. > Thanks for that, and apologies to all, esp. David. Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 16:51:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqUfQ-2AHknw-04-9rb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:51:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqUfQ-2AHknw-04-9rb; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqUfQ-2AHknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqUfQ-0004di-1D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71D147B5391; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18540-06; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44BA17B5318; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:16:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ED7D7B53AA for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18439-01 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 192637B52BC for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IqUej-0005dZ-0f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:16:21 +0000 Received: from [213.48.114.106] (helo=localhost.com.) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IqUeg-0002fZ-TD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:16:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f139d11Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: [Snip] > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. It would make sense to > have a single printer icon on the icon bar that, when chosen and > printing activated, a save as ps / save as pdf window popped up with > the choice to drag to a directory. NB The current save to file from > printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful people like myself who are > always liable to overprint a ps file with something intended to go > elsewhere! ;-( PrintSpool will warn if you try to print over an existing file if configured to do so. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 19:01:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqYyR-0T3knw-04-E56.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:01:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqYyR-0T3knw-04-E56; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqYyR-0T3knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqYyN-0003fH-Ck for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63C3D7B4D6B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30864-07; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 386DB7B4847; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6548F7B5E1F for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30251-04 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E79EF7B5E1A for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 643999388-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.208.53 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFs7NEdYadA1/2dsb2JhbACBWw Received: from 88-105-208-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.208.53]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2007 18:51:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3f2a9f03dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is > cack or something). > *bye It could possibly be, because Corel bought WinZip a while back, and whatever Corel buy, up turns into a lot of Poo. Witness the recent Corel releases of PSP. (X, XI, and X2) Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 19:01:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqYya-2rMknw-06-E4x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:01:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqYya-2rMknw-06-E4x; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqYya-2rMknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqYyS-0005V1-J5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 612747B48C5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30871-06; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 337D17B4847; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:51:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E3B7B5D75 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30222-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 998FB7B5E5F for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 643999391-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.208.53 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFs7NEdYadA1/2dsb2JhbACBW451 Received: from 88-105-208-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.208.53]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2007 18:51:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:32:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3f2aebafdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , wrote: > > More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip > > is cack or something). > > > WinZip costs money .rar is free. > To be fair, there are free applications that produce .zip files, but they > usually support .rar as well. The rar format is open and free and can > be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. > Andy Ling It also seems a lot more prone to throwing corrupted archives, .rar that is. I've had more corrupt/trouble with archives when they are rar than I've ever had with .Zip downloads. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 20:01:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iqa16-3IQ000-08-D2R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:01:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iqa16-3IQ000-08-D2R; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iqa16-3IQ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iqa16-0007Qf-Ie for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 002D87B52D7; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07005-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD4347B5431; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89BF77B52D7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06848-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 315857B4BD3 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1Iqa0P0PnD-00068E; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:59:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:59:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+vpkMBRYN8sICVxlmIevhtrEk8jy2XwcTPpx5 zHyuqgQPHOqqsmEX1RellhUDWhtAqWu24ymF26gu3tulaWetYg yFIuxlLFnUUYnU7+d2JB6nLUl8u2hYN X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: >> More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is >> cack or something). > > WinZip costs money .rar is free. Who cares about WinZip nowadays? Windows has built-in .zip support so every user can create and open .zip files, whereas you need to install additional software in order to handle .rar files. > To be fair, there are free applications that produce .zip files > but they usually support .rar as well. The rar format is open and free >From what I read the exact opposite is true: The .rar format is proprietory and the compression algorithm is not even published. Only the decompression algorithm is published and there is an open source implementation for it that can be used by third parties. So, that makes .rar a lot less open and less free than .zip. > and can be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. Personally, I have yet to encounter a single .rar file. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 21:11:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iqb1o-23RGPo-02-C1j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:11:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iqb1o-23RGPo-02-C1j; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iqb1o-23RGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iqb1n-0000zS-C6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9626D7B5472; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14427-08; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69D2A7B53E3; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 354157B5472 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14220-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53F367B54F2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109210341.DRK25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:03:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109210340.UPYL26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:03:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:59:14 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > From what I read the exact opposite is true: The .rar format is > proprietory and the compression algorithm is not even published. Only > the decompression algorithm is published and there is an open source > implementation for it that can be used by third parties. > > So, that makes .rar a lot less open and less free than .zip. I use 7-zip to decompress .rar files, which is free and available from http://www.7-zip.org/register.html > > and can be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. > > Personally, I have yet to encounter a single .rar file. One advantage of 'rar over .zip is that it can split large files into several small ones and, as long as they are in the same folder, they behave as one big file. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 22:11:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iqc3n-0MIVbs-07-Azk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:11:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iqc3n-0MIVbs-07-Azk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iqc3n-0MIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iqc3Y-0000qm-TE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD3F17B5291; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23309-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF2A27B53D8; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:09:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8247C7B5291 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23218-02 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BBAF7B54F7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-165-3.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.165.3]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF852DFD58 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:08:41 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <37bb3e3f4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 9 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message > > <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > > > > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > > > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. > > > You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? > > So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant > files to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? No, but that wasn't what you asked for, was it? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 12:29:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqpQz-0KoGPo-07-Efa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:29:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqpQz-0KoGPo-07-Efa; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqpQz-0KoGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqpQz-0007Ie-6V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 381087B57EB; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09238-05; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 013797B552B; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 844367B51BB for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08965-07 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EBAE7B4E99 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqpQG-000PJ1-Fp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:26:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:31:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f883bf7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0xhVYsCNsENHFwKf@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <0xhVYsCNsENHFwKf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes > >So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files > >to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? > We discussed this a few weeks back. What we never pinned down was what the > printers want. > Is it specific PDF/PostScript - for example their system depends on output > from Quark and anything else will go wrong. If they are as specific as > that then there's not much hope. It doesn't depend on Quark - but if it's produced in Quark or Indesign then they can tell you what settings they use to get it 'exactly as required'. They have accepted pdfs produced by RiScript - but I certainly wouldn't like to rely on that for anything other than a very standard magazine. ie OK if I use a small set of fonts and images produced in a standard way - but not if you regularly use different fonts (to illustrate dtp ideas) or have a large number of images sourced from an ever changing variety of contributors. OK for a parish magazine but not for something like Qercus. > On the other hand, the PostScript which RISC OS currently produces is > idiosyncratic and poses lots of problems. I'd guess it is quite possible > that Martin's new PostScript driver will produce PS so much cleaner that > there will be no problem. I'm hopeful of improvements with a cleaner PS driver. In the meantime I've got myself a Mac and will be experimenting with producing pdfs from there (from RISC OS PS output but without going to the extent of using Indesign) alongside RiScript output and what we know works OK* which is RISC OS PS routed through Indesign. I want to see an end result which allows 100% to (commercial printers guaranteed acceptable) pdf creation on RISC OS. And hopefully an improved !Printers interface at the same time. *Except when the printers updated their software and our 100% Mac sourced pages didn't work (and the RISC OS pages did!) ;-) -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 12:29:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqpQz-2DcVbs-08-Efa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:29:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqpQz-2DcVbs-08-Efa; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqpQz-2DcVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqpQz-0004j7-5M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 305C07B573F; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09218-09; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 013397B551F; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 909247B54CF for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08999-02 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 609297B5194 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqpQI-000PJ1-Dc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:26:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:37:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f88c6a8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3efbd43amonster@caverock.net.nz> References: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f3efbd43amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Robert Greenfield wrote: > I guess I have an active imagination, but the possibility of having these > two excellent apps being able to interact and exchange data more > seamlessly would give such a useful design/publishing suite. > It would certainly prevent the "I've started this in Artworks but > OvationPro would be better at this stage" (or vice-versa). If we're going down that road I'd love to see the possibility of taking a page produced in Ovation Pro and dropping it as a vector graphics page in a frame within another page (ie at a smaller scale). -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 13:39:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqqRI-1rfknw-03-DfH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:39:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqqRI-1rfknw-03-DfH; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:31:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqqRI-1rfknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:31:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqqRI-00010L-J3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:31:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EDCA7B4FA9; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17805-05; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCB547B4F55; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E95A67B4FA9 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17576-07 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from guri.is.scarlet.be (guri.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BC7F7B4FBD for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from (ip-81-11-162-143.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.162.143]) by guri.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id lAADVA027515 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:31:10 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:35:38 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message you wrote: > I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the > term does not make any sense. What we want is standard PDFs with CMYK > colours. There is a standard for that called PDF-X. Maybe this is what > you meant, but if so, then please note that PDF-X is the very opposite > of an "extended" PDF format, it is a "limited" PDF format, i.e., it > eXcludes certain things. Currently, we cannot generate PDF-X sensibly > because applications cannot print CMYK colours. With ArtWorks you can > generate files that satisfy the PDF-X constraints though ArtWorks does > not have an PDF-X option that would enforce them. Just to clarify this a bit more: I assume we're talking here about PDF/X-1a. The PDF/X-3 allows colorcalibrated device independant colorspaces like e.g. RGB tagged with an ICC profile. RGB generation with RISC OS is not a problem but having it tagged with a sensible profile probably requires some sledgehammer approach as RISC OS does not have any knowledge about profiles so one could just assume the RISC OS RGB data is always e.g. sRGB and tag it accordingly in the PDF/X-3 file. is a very informative. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 17:49:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IquLl-1QIGPo-01-9ko.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:49:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IquLl-1QIGPo-01-9ko; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IquLl-1QIGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IquLj-0002vi-QC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5140F7B524A; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23290-03; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21E2A7B545E; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C42E7B524A for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23099-09 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 434B47B522E for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.7.241.59] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IquL0-0000cI-W1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:41:43 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:41:41 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f3f883bf7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 10/11/07 11:31 am, "John Cartmell" wrote: > On 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell >> writes >>> So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files >>> to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? > >> We discussed this a few weeks back. What we never pinned down was what the >> printers want. > >> Is it specific PDF/PostScript - for example their system depends on output >> from Quark and anything else will go wrong. If they are as specific as >> that then there's not much hope. > > It doesn't depend on Quark - but if it's produced in Quark or Indesign then > they can tell you what settings they use to get it 'exactly as required'. They > have accepted pdfs produced by RiScript - but I certainly wouldn't like to > rely on that for anything other than a very standard magazine. ie OK if I use > a small set of fonts and images produced in a standard way - but not if you > regularly use different fonts (to illustrate dtp ideas) or have a large number > of images sourced from an ever changing variety of contributors. OK for a > parish magazine but not for something like Qercus. > >> On the other hand, the PostScript which RISC OS currently produces is >> idiosyncratic and poses lots of problems. I'd guess it is quite possible >> that Martin's new PostScript driver will produce PS so much cleaner that >> there will be no problem. > > I'm hopeful of improvements with a cleaner PS driver. In the meantime I've got > myself a Mac and will be experimenting with producing pdfs from there (from > RISC OS PS output but without going to the extent of using Indesign) alongside > RiScript output and what we know works OK* which is RISC OS PS routed through > Indesign. > > I want to see an end result which allows 100% to (commercial printers > guaranteed acceptable) pdf creation on RISC OS. And hopefully an improved > !Printers interface at the same time. > > *Except when the printers updated their software and our 100% Mac sourced > pages didn't work (and the RISC OS pages did!) ;-) I have read the messages in this thread with interest. First, there is no guaranteed route for producing PDF files, even if all work is produced on a Mac. Whether Quark or InDesign are used their files can contain a variety of other formats such as .psd, .ai (Illustrator), EPS and others, and both images and fonts must be correctly embedded. However, over a good many years now I have worked with files produced in Ovation and Impression to generate PostScript files which I have then exported to a Mac and converted to PDF using Acrobat Distiller. That has generally worked very well. However, printers are using commercial software from a variety of sources for imposition, RGB to CMYK conversion and separation and are therefore dependent upon that software having implemented all PDF features and carrying out these processes in a proper way. In the early days of automated plate systems problems would often arise, but have now largely disappeared. When it comes to PostScript files generated under RISC OS the main issues I encountered were due to Acorn's implementation of greyscale images, and trying to handle CMYK images in Ovation or Impression. I could always get round any problems by exporting problem images to the Mac and resaving from Photoshop in EPS format, then re-exporting back to RISC OS and importing the EPS file in place of the original image. If the EPS file has a TIFF preview then even that is visible in Ovation or Impression (but only Impression Publisher+ will handle EPS files I believe). These days it seems the software used by printers will adequately convert RGB to CMYK so there is less of a problem in trying to handle CMYK images at source. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 14 17:51:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsMJS-3Meknw-03-DYn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:51:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsMJS-3Meknw-03-DYn; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsMJS-3Meknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsMJO-0001rQ-8B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D49E7B9368; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00975-10; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08E087B9990; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A7CE7B9368 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00854-06 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B7E7B933D for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IsMId-0007k4-CB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:43:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] icnclipbrd 0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, Does anyone have any comments on using icnclipbrd? My experience on the Iyonix is that only the first letter of what is on the clipboard is pasted. I'm interested because there is a situation which ties OP in knots and I'm trying to discover if it is a bug in OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 14 19:01:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsNRs-2UnVbs-01-CQN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:01:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsNRs-2UnVbs-01-CQN; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsNRs-2UnVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsNRq-0000AU-BS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 016C17BA48E; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11773-10; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCEBE7BA462; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C63D47B9951 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11648-05 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EBD77B76A5 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAEIvPHH025864 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:57:37 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:56:30 GMT Message-ID: <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 14 Nov 2007 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have any comments on using icnclipbrd? > My experience on the Iyonix is that only the first letter of what is on > the clipboard is pasted. > I'm interested because there is a situation which ties OP in knots and > I'm trying to discover if it is a bug in OP. Just tried it here, and it seems to past everything from IcnClipbrd. However, there seems to be then no way of purging the clipboard; if I try to save and paste anything else, I still got what I originally saved and pasted. Is there a "purge clipboard" facility anywhere? Can't find it in the manual. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 12:18:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsdZu-3jb000-05-DLN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:18:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsdZu-3jb000-05-DLN; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsdZu-3jb000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsdZt-0004jn-Sx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C3027B8F25; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18997-06; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 134507B9123; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 052477BA468 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21099-04 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEF957B92B3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl82-163-39-24.as15444.net [82.163.39.24]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAF7dQrT003970 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:39:32 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:40:32 GMT Message-ID: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 211 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the error 'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process' The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT I am not aware of what this does and an old back up using different software does not seem to have this file. There is also an NTUSER.DAT.LOG and an NTUSER.INI. Thes files appear to be present in both users of the machines areas, and in Documents and settings\Local services and Documents and Settings\Network Services. NTUSER.DAT.LOG varies in size depending on what you are doing. Is this a Virus? Norton 360 does not seem to think so on a quick scan. If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 12:38:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Isdqt-09zknw-05-D4O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:38:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Isdqt-09zknw-05-D4O; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Isdqt-09zknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Isdqt-0004Ey-99 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17CF87BA393; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20702-01; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 981F87B9ACD; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5202B7B9AE3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20457-10 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 166D57B9803 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Isdq9-00038j-OO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:02 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:26:25 GMT Message-ID: <6f7020424f.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35S) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> Adrian Crafer wrote: > I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the > error > 'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by > another process' > The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT > I am not aware of what this does and an old back up using different > software does not seem to have this file. > There is also an NTUSER.DAT.LOG and an NTUSER.INI. > Thes files appear to be present in both users of the machines areas, > and in Documents and settings\Local services and Documents and > Settings\Network Services. > NTUSER.DAT.LOG varies in size depending on what you are doing. > Is this a Virus? Norton 360 does not seem to think so on a quick scan. > If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks Firstly its not a Virus. DO NOT REMOVE it under any circumstances, unless you want a broken computer!! It is connected with the Windows Registry. Some processes will lock the file because they are updating or doing something with the registry (this can include some anti-virus programs). Do a Google on NTUSER.DAT and you will get lots and lots of info. > Adrian Crafer -- Chris Hughes From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 12:38:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Isdu8-46Qknw-07-D19.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:38:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Isdu8-46Qknw-07-D19; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Isdu8-46Qknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Isdu7-00015b-NX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F0AC7BA016; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21008-07; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06CEA7BA81B; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 894A67BA016 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20899-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55D507B9EA2 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IsdtR-0005oj-P5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:32:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:31:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>, Adrian Crafer writes >I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the >error > >'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by >another process' > >The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT A quick Google produced: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070220023440AAPuo2f which explains what it is. >If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks The file is part of Windows. I'd say just don't back it up with SyncDiscs. Choose a smaller collection of files to back up in other words. I don't expect SyncDiscs to be able to back up the Windows operating system, as opposed to user data on Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 16:08:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ish8C-4Ii000-07-9n5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:08:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ish8C-4Ii000-07-9n5; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:59:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ish8C-4Ii000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:59:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ish86-0007VP-JF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:59:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A0777BB541; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15266-08; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2ED867BB538; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C598D7BB12D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06004-10 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 779A47B9A0D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl82-163-39-24.as15444.net [82.163.39.24]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAFEkaFN006471 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:46:37 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:48:48 GMT Message-ID: <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 214 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] >>The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT > A quick Google produced: > http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070220023440AAPuo2f > which explains what it is. >>If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks > The file is part of Windows. I'd say just don't back it up with > SyncDiscs. Choose a smaller collection of files to back up in other > words. > I don't expect SyncDiscs to be able to back up the Windows operating > system, as opposed to user data on Windows. Thanks for the informative replies. I am not sure why it worked before, I was copying Documents and Settings to get the maximum backup. The NTUSER.DAT file was copied for the default user but not for the other users, presumably for some reason the last time everything else copied first and it bombed out with ntuser at the end and I did not notice. Out of passing interest, this all arose because I have never been able to get Norton 360 to do a back up to my network drive, a Seagate in a Maplin box. unfortunately only accessable by FTP from my Risc machines. The reason Norton help desk gave for their product not working, was possibly because it was not a branded box but more likely because you cannot copy files on a NTFS filing system to a FAT32 one. Since you can back up to CD and there online storage which is presumably not running NTFS that last diagnosis has no merit. I will obviously go else where for advice to avoid be told off for off topic items here. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 16:18:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IshH6-47Uknw-06-9eB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:18:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IshH6-47Uknw-06-9eB; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IshH6-47Uknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IshH6-0002Fn-6K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD4147B882E; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16882-10; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 745237BA85D; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61B707B882E for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16814-02 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.global.net.uk (smtp3.global.net.uk [80.189.92.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF667B8298 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 30.38.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com ([91.125.38.30] helo=iyonix.cjjohnson.care4free.net) by smtp3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IshGO-000Inl-SB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:08:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Cyril Johnson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:31 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cjjohnson@care4free.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Greetings! I have encountered the "Missing Info Pallette" bug when using the Risc OS version of Ovation Pro on the Iyonix. A look though the archives confirmed that this was a bug, but I couldnot find what to do about it. Can anyone help? Best wishes, CJJ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 16:18:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IshI4-0Nbknw-07-9dD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:18:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IshI4-0Nbknw-07-9dD; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IshI4-0Nbknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IshI4-00049Q-87 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D779D7BA562; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17142-02; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A33187BB0F2; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADEA77BA562 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16987-01 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D7EF7B872D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAFG8wXd007684 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:07 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] OPW; document initial size. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:07 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 19:28:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IskIL-0K0000-04-F9S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IskIL-0K0000-04-F9S; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:22:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IskIL-0K0000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:22:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IskIC-0001cq-Dq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:22:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714A67BBCCC; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15564-07; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 440427BBCCA; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D7687B8B4A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15418-04 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D40497BB806 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IskHJ-000OyH-0u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Dr Peter Young writes >Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen >rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the >moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. Ah but have you read the mail list archives... I quoth: What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be used for future document windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 19:38:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IskPu-0eQ000-04-F1t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:38:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IskPu-0eQ000-04-F1t; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IskPu-0eQ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IskPt-00012z-Ra for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BA5B7BBEB3; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17464-03; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0CB77BBE73; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 778847BBEE6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17279-01 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED03C7BBE86 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IskP8-0006L9-O3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:29:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 References: <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >Just tried it here, and it seems to past everything from IcnClipbrd. >However, there seems to be then no way of purging the clipboard; if I >try to save and paste anything else, I still got what I originally >saved and pasted. Is there a "purge clipboard" facility anywhere? >Can't find it in the manual. I wonder why icnclipbrd doesn't work on my Iyonix? There are problems I know with using it with OP, they may well be bugs in OP. What worries me is why icnclipbrd does not work for me when it and Edit are the only things that have been run since the Iyonix was turned on. I can't recall how to clear the clipboard. ISTR if it was a problem with using too much memory then one just copies something small. If you want to see things go wrong on OP, this is how to do it: (1) Copy of Ovation Pro with global clipboard support turned on (2) In OP mark some text and copy it to the clipboard (3) Open the F4 Find window in Edit and Ctrl V - paste. The text appears as expected (4) Back at OP, open the save document box, drag the save icon to a filer window. (5) The contents of the clipboard are appended to the filename - the save does not take place and the save box does not vanish. If between steps 3 and 4 you change the clipboard contents, the former contents are what appear in step 5. It seems to me that icnclipbrd is really useful - so why aren't more people worried about these problems. Maybe the functionality is built into Select/Adjust. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 19:58:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iskq2-4FB000-06-Ebl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:58:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iskq2-4FB000-06-Ebl; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iskq2-4FB000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iskpy-0000Q9-Cs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95F3A7BC126; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21755-04; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 685FF7BC1F8; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1162F7BC126 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-02 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A80227BC15B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:52:49 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 635469673-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.214.27 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAG0yPEdYadYb/2dsb2JhbACBXA Received: from 88-105-214-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.214.27]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2007 19:52:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:50:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. Message-ID: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Dr Peter Young > writes > >Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen > >rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the > >moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. > Ah but have you read the mail list archives... > I quoth: > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > used for future document windows. Snaggy poos Mr P. That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though it does work on the Win versions. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 21:28:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ism8O-2geVbs-01-DJP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:28:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ism8O-2geVbs-01-DJP; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ism8O-2geVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ism8O-0005nE-9a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE93D7BBC19; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01205-09; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 814737BBC70; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A70897BBC19 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01119-02 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpsmtp-eml17.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml17.kpnxchange.com [213.75.38.117]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53FAD7BBC14 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtp-eml108.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.108]) by hpsmtp-eml17.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:19:39 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by cpsmtp-eml108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:19:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:20:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 Message-ID: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2007 21:19:39.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B56EAB0:01C827CD] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dear David, The bug that you described in 5 steps, can be reproduced here indeed. However, this is only true for IcnClipBrd version 0.12. I've also tried both versions 0.09 and 0.07 - and both behaved normally. Am I being too daredevilish when accusing the module for this bug? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 21:38:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsmHT-3iLknw-06-DAK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:38:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsmHT-3iLknw-06-DAK; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsmHT-3iLknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsmHQ-0006nK-Oz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 305957BBD75; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02392-03; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8DEE7BBC63; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D69807BBCB9 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02100-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.128]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F4C87BBCB8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2A5CF1C0008D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:29:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5441515c.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.81.92]) by mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 720131C0008C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:28:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071115212858467.720131C0008C@mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:28:54 GMT Message-ID: References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> Adrian Crafer wrote: > I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the > error > 'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by > another process' > The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT > I am not aware of what this does and an old back up using different > software does not seem to have this file. > There is also an NTUSER.DAT.LOG and an NTUSER.INI. > Thes files appear to be present in both users of the machines areas, > and in Documents and settings\Local services and Documents and > Settings\Network Services. > NTUSER.DAT.LOG varies in size depending on what you are doing. > Is this a Virus? Norton 360 does not seem to think so on a quick scan. > If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks It's a significant part of the Registry, specifically of the HKeyCurrentUser part. Don't mess with it. I'm not sure why it is open, but backing it up is fairly pointless. You need a registry backup to recover it. Can you exclude it from SyncDiscs? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsmmI-26B000-05-CfV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsmmI-26B000-05-CfV; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsmmI-26B000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsmmF-0000RZ-Dr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36AD27BC266; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07483-05; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3CE87BC2EF; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A94D07BC266 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06993-04 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 484957BC21C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IsmlS-0006Kf-O5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:59:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. References: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 222 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Snaggy poos Mr P. >That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though it does >work on the Win versions. The question was about Ovation Pro for Windows. On the RISC OS version just edit the templates file - adjust the main window template to the size you want. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ismmx-33F000-08-Ceq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ismmx-33F000-08-Ceq; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ismmx-33F000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ismms-0006PM-Lz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FCB87BC339; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07710-07; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F5127BC2A6; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 953F07BC2F7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07526-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A91D27BC248 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ismm6-000Iym-9U for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:00:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Alan Adams writes >Can you exclude it from SyncDiscs? I was going to say, many versions of SyncDiscs support "zones" which allow you to specify things not to sync. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ismot-3gmVbs-03-Ccu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ismot-3gmVbs-03-Ccu; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ismot-3gmVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ismor-0006uF-JG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C5D7BC34F; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08091-05; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCE0F7BC2C5; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9306A7BC34F for ; Thu,