From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 5 21:24:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ip9N6-1DN000-06-GRH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:24:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ip9N6-1DN000-06-GRH; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ip9N6-1DN000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ip9N5-00037q-56 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:20:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BB2B7B267A; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17968-03; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE9B37B26D7; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:19:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0384F7B267A for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17812-02 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C24CB7B2665 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ip9MK-0003ee-5G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:19:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:18:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41b MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, There's an upgrade of SparkFS available. Zip archives have extendible headers for the files they contain. This feature allows RISC OS file attributes to be added whilst the zip file can still be understood by software on other operating systems. There is a bug in previous versions of the zip module. If the attributes of a file in a zip are updated without changing the file contents - for example if the time stamp is altered and the file header in the zip has the RISC OS extension as well as one or more other extensions then the header will be changed in such a way that the archive contents appear corrupt. This situation is likely to be rare, for example if you only use SparkFS it will not arise. However it is an error in SparkFS. Zip module 1.40 1st. November 2007 fixes it. You can upgrade from: http://www.davidpilling.com/sfs141.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 5 22:25:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpAKL-1Ai000-04-FU2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:25:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpAKL-1Ai000-04-FU2; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpAKL-1Ai000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpAK8-0003yW-AX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:21:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43D497B2956; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27366-04; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 126287B2979; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1F597B2956 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27094-09 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E36D87B2743 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IpAJ3-0005or-7f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:20:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4676/Mon Nov 5 21:20:22 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > There's an upgrade of SparkFS available. > Zip archives have extendible headers for the files they contain. This > feature allows RISC OS file attributes to be added whilst the zip file > can still be understood by software on other operating systems. > There is a bug in previous versions of the zip module. If the > attributes of a file in a zip are updated without changing the file > contents - for example if the time stamp is altered and the file > header in the zip has the RISC OS extension as well as one or more > other extensions then the header will be changed in such a way that > the archive contents appear corrupt. > This situation is likely to be rare, for example if you only use > SparkFS it will not arise. However it is an error in SparkFS. Zip > module 1.40 1st. November 2007 fixes it. > You can upgrade from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/sfs141.zip Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th October 2004). Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpAUO-1WW000-04-FJz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpAUO-1WW000-04-FJz; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:32:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpAUO-1WW000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:32:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpAUM-0003Nr-Vm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E5717B1F21; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28989-07; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 132C37B214B; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FDDC7B1F21 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28792-06 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 197F37B1C75 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpATY-000Or4-LD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:31:20 +0000 Message-ID: <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 22:31:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th >October 2004). Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 *help modules will show you. Sorry for not being clear enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpCGn-1nKVbs-01-DXa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpCGn-1nKVbs-01-DXa; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpCGn-1nKVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpCGh-0000e1-GS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E05867B1D40; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12939-03; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B45107B1492; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:25:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 748A57B1E22 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12786-08 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41C7A7B1E20 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from g4iat.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.185] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IpCFx-0005TT-PW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:25:26 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Barry Smith X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:22:25 GMT Message-ID: <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.03b2 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: baz@g4iat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes >>Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th >>October 2004). > Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 > *help modules > will show you. > Sorry for not being clear enough. When I looked at my version it was 1.39, so I must have missed a couple of upgrade announcements. However, the upgrade "worked" and I can see Modules.Zip is now 01 Nov 2007. The question is, how do I upgrade all the other stuff from 1.39 to 1.41? Barry -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpIrU-1QxGPo-04-FTP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpIrU-1QxGPo-04-FTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:28:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpIrU-1QxGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:28:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpIrE-0001nF-63 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:28:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6A777B265D; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24468-02-15; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DEA37B2607; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:25:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 627B57B21AB for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24071-02-25 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F268F7B209B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 02:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IpInj-0001W9-3r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:24:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:24:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3d62478fphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: Could not determin AV Version, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes > >Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 (20th > >October 2004). > Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 > *help modules > will show you. > Sorry for not being clear enough. I'm one you have to spoon feed I'm afraid. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:02:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpJfx-1bNknw-03-Eew.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:02:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpJfx-1bNknw-03-Eew; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpJfx-1bNknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpJfw-0001i3-TD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:20:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E5A67B2258; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30363-03; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 709837B22AE; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:20:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B332C7B2258 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30175-03 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 44B657B21F8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 03:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11115 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 08:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 08:20:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rwgqxPsVM1mt43L265E1UbaxHpkV4e6NmchxOIwQBsEt3PSqiLUwWhITKYlSDEdMU7g_zpLjyoPevSWnquBX.ZfdVmFTjNZ4Nk4ahjmcd6eiJH40 Message-ID: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:19:53 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > There's an upgrade of SparkFS available. [snip] > You can upgrade from: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/sfs141.zip ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or was it a password protected download? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:12:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTmq-2zCVbs-05-D4Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:12:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTmq-2zCVbs-05-D4Z; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTmq-2zCVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTmq-00039E-3q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:08:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F4EC7B2BAB; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23004-09; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62EAD7B2C40; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AF7C7B2BAB for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22953-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58E3D7B2A90 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpTm7-000EU2-C1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:07:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:06:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I >can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, >or was it a password protected download? (white) floppy disc with printed manual. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:12:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTon-2Za000-08-D2c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:12:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTon-2Za000-08-D2c; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTon-2Za000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTom-0007aB-W8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:10:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EDE77B2CE3; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23324-01; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61E557B2B33; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 744207B2AD4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23197-04 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F5367B2B63 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IpTo5-0006Y0-Mw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:09:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:08:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk>, Barry Smith writes >The question is, how do I upgrade all the other stuff from 1.39 to >1.41? See the upgrades at the bottom of: http://www.davidpilling.com/spark.html I guess that as you work your way up that chain your brand new zip module will be clobbered, so keep right on to the 1.41b upgrade. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:22:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTxL-2wg000-08-Cu4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:22:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTxL-2wg000-08-Cu4; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTxL-2wg000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTxI-0002SO-9O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75A957B2D9C; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24447-10; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 491017B2D8E; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:18:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B03F7B24BC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10616-07 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C30C27B249E for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK4-0005SK-Sw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:16 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK4-0005S1-I9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:16 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:59:59 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:16 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 6 23:06:16 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7320 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 274 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 129 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 06 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I > can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or > was it a password protected download? What? You mean you've been living without it? ;-) I couldn't - very handy indeed. This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:22:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTxy-4TgVbs-02-CtR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:22:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTxy-4TgVbs-02-CtR; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTxy-4TgVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTxy-0002xq-JE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 245527B2DAB; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24719-01; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E236D7B2D49; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:19:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF577B24B8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10594-06 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F387D7B243B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK5-0005Sa-9Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:17 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IpLK5-0005S1-1t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:09:46 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:06:17 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Nov 6 23:06:17 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6321 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 173 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 130 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like Artworks and Techwriter? ...and would anyone other than me actually want this? I've just this minute had a different thought for an approach to this... a bit lateral but here goes... Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP combination. (and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:22:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpTyb-4VOVbs-02-Cso.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:22:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpTyb-4VOVbs-02-Cso; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpTyb-4VOVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpTyW-0006ba-Mk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:20:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D647B2D6D; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24773-10; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 177267B2D62; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1801D7B2DBA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24702-01 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3BC277B2D85 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67342 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 19:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 19:19:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DDrjxEEVM1kJAyXSqHA_ft6TTNKKtSCXRj04Vwly1zyXbR5xyWjB9dyaFHEP8dB1pK.HHB2_BA-- Message-ID: <4730BE4F.1070505@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:19:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But >> I can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by >> email, or was it a password protected download? > > (white) floppy disc with printed manual. Got it, thanks ... now, will VRPC read the disk? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU0w-35k000-08-CqT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU0w-35k000-08-CqT; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU0w-35k000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU0v-0007V0-Io for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:23:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 227467B2D95; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26475-06; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB0997B2E7C; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEB687B2D95 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26332-05 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A8E57B2D85 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 177.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.177] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IpU0E-0007gd-9h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:22:22 +0000 Message-ID: <4730BEEC.8070103@heter.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:22:20 +0000 From: Philco User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4683/Tue Nov 6 18:30:56 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 06 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > > >> ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I >> can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or >> was it a password protected download? >> > > What? You mean you've been living without it? ;-) > I couldn't - very handy indeed. > > This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), > but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in > SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? > > regards, > > Yes The PeeCee does it but I'd like RiscOs to do it too. Phil From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU4O-1LQknw-07-Cn1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU4O-1LQknw-07-Cn1; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU4O-1LQknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU4O-0006t0-4a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:26:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 583527B19EC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27377-08; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DAEE7B2281; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:25:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76E227B19EC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27199-03 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B64C97B2204 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1226 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 19:25:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 19:25:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o4qqiLsVM1nKenPPSlmbGAPA0lR.CPcCZTCOEUpvkR9aqqkKWm7fW.FQTN.RrbFn5GfiHGs6aQ-- Message-ID: <4730BFBB.6050609@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:25:47 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 06 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> ... which reminds me, I purchased a copy of !SparkFS a while ago. But I >> can't locate it now. Would it have been sent to me on disk, by email, or >> was it a password protected download? > > What? You mean you've been living without it? ;-) > I couldn't - very handy indeed. Indeed, but then these days I tend to use VRPC, so I can always use the PC side for compressing files. I don't use RiscOS enough now to justify keeping my Iyonix, so if anyone is interested just drop me a line. > > This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), > but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in > SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? Those with dedicated RiscOS machines, I guess. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU74-1SGknw-07-CkL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU74-1SGknw-07-CkL; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU74-1SGknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU73-0007VT-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C7727B2466; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27668-04; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D30877B259A; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB8E57B2466 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27540-05 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7B0F7B240D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpU6N-000HSH-Jj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:28:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:27:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like >Artworks and Techwriter? Yes. >...and would anyone other than me actually want this? Well some would, but there is another camp which says "why not use one of the other methods of producing PDF". >Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for >incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP >combination. >(and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) Yes. This is akin to the idea that often comes up of allowing OP to export pages as Draw files. It would be better than Draw because AW files can do more. However it would require the AW file spec. I suppose in passing one should wonder if Techwriter is going to offer AW export. All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 19:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpU95-3xxVbs-03-CiK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpU95-3xxVbs-03-CiK; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpU95-3xxVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpU92-0007SX-S2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:31:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 952557B28E7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27912-05; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B1D47B2895; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D5837B2549 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27780-08 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18D677B2671 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpU8K-000EP8-IU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:29:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >This might not be the best place to ask this (apologies in advance if so), >but would anyone else find it very handy to have support for .rar files in >SparkFS if it was possible to do so (as a pay-for upgrade)? rar has been talked about in the past. I think I once started on a rar module. I also once offered to co-operate in a third party rar module. It's all a bit like the reply to your question about OP and PDF - lack of time, lack of users... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:02:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpUXr-1EuGPo-02-CJY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:02:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpUXr-1EuGPo-02-CJY; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:57:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpUXr-1EuGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:57:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpUXm-0003sd-KI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:57:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12ADD7B2232; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31331-08; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0F617B2111; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 878667B265D for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31220-01 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23ABA7B1F75 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1IpUWu3KXl-0002Ey; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:56:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:55:42 +0100 Message-ID: <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ngJzgui7I4ypm03ZHWZN8tvKvpCvmr8+eHKU Ak52aOnS5exa9nHhp1yRzLKl9vFqfMhuhXP6gQ4MpP4Up8l3CH jSURbW+FcpuPgzDtXHYz0Z9/SxEd1cf X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> Robert Greenfield wrote: > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > Artworks and Techwriter? Just for the record: The PDF export options in ArtWorks and EasiWriter are entirely different. ArtWorks has direct PDF creation, which is vastly superior to what you can get via the PostScript printer driver. EasiWriter's PDF export uses the traditional route via the PostScript printer driver and Ghostscript. It still does better than other applications because it includes extra information for GhostScript, such as the document outline (structure tree) and links both within the document and to external URLs, but the limitations of the PostScript printer driver still apply (most notably the poor quality of embedded sprites). The question is why you would want it. If it is just for convenience, then it should not be too hard to add a "Save as PDF" option to OvationPro in a similar way to how it works in EasiWriter, i.e., via the PostScript driver and Ghostscript. Even with such a solution, OvationPro could send some extra information to Ghostscript, e.g., graduated fills, but as with EasiWriter, the overall quality would still be limited by the PostScript driver. If you want to overcome the limitations of the PostScript driver and get CMYK and Spot colours across, plus high quality sprites, then full direct PostScript or PDF export would have to be added, which is a huge order (even though the Windows version does it already, which means that part of the work is done). > Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for > incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP > combination. > (and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) First of all, please bear in mind that the ArtWorks file format specification is not publicly available, so third party applications cannot create ArtWorks documents. I would not mind disclosing the details to David, but there is no comprehensive document describing just the format so a lot of understanding of the ArtWorks document architecture would be required to successfully create ArtWorks files outside ArtWorks, which probably makes this idea uneconomical. It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a cross-platform format. There is one big drawback in direct PostScript or PDF export: OP would have to export any embedded ArtWorks files as bitmaps because it would not know what else to do with them - to OP, an ArtWorks file is just a black box that can be rendered to the screen and the printer driver but that has no visible internal structure. On the other hand, a PDF export option that goes via the PostScript printer driver can include ArtWorks files as vector data, but obviously the result is only as good as what you can get now by printing to PostScript. Most notably, any ArtWorks file with transparency is converted to a bitmap. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:12:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpUiQ-0ehGPo-05-C8z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:12:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpUiQ-0ehGPo-05-C8z; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpUiQ-0ehGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpUiQ-0001ec-Bz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:08:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD1557B2C4A; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00553-05; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 982E17B2B7D; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:07:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B01187B2C05 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00446-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581B47B2ACA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1IpUhi1z7s-0005L9; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:07:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: <2e1ca83d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+4cP/xW1Ef4TaeMWx/gdYunHMyCzWAEBMuek6 qVLWz06dU+cQwjR9cCj9DVrYDxJNg4yREGL/weX1yes1j+XGdO a63QZET6kGRl7eMkdj7TNvjIXM7fKQ7 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield > writes >>Could OvationPro export pages in Artworks format? This would allow for >>incredibly easy interaction between the apps and be a great design/DTP >>combination. >>(and you could print to .pdf using Artworks) > Yes. This is akin to the idea that often comes up of allowing OP to > export pages as Draw files. It would be better than Draw because AW > files can do more. However it would require the AW file spec. If the AW file spec was the only problem, then that could be solved. ;-) However, the AW format is not exactly friendly as far as creating it from third-party applications is concerned. Once, the idea was that third party applications should generate ArtWorks EPS instead, which is documented. You can do CMYK and Spot colours, overprinting and clipping in ArtWorks EPS, so it would retain more information than Draw format. Of course, like Draw, it is a single page format, in contrast to the ArtWorks format, which could hold an entire OP document. > I suppose in passing one should wonder if Techwriter is going to offer > AW export. I do not think anyone ever suggested AW export in TW and it would not really add much. After all, TechWriter does Draw export and in graphical terms TW does not really offer much that goes beyond what the Draw format can do. For instance, TW only supports RGB colours, no spot colours, no overprinting, just as Draw. The only thing for which ArtWorks format would be useful is clipping for cropped pictures, and maybe for including embedded ArtWorks files natively. With Draw export, embedded AW files have to be included as bitmaps. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:42:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpVAW-2kBGPo-02-Bgt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:42:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpVAW-2kBGPo-02-Bgt; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpVAW-2kBGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpVAO-0006P3-LQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 782537B2EF9; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04025-03; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C3097B2C54; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 974CD7B2840 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03825-06 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10C7C7B2E59 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA6KY2vP023145 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:34:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield muttered: > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > Artworks and Techwriter? > ...and would anyone other than me actually want this? Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating menus and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF download on their website. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 20:42:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpVAx-1kjGPo-05-BgS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:42:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpVAx-1kjGPo-05-BgS; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpVAx-1kjGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpVAq-0004tF-1j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57B027B2E7E; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04060-07; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CBDF7B2E6F; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4AA97B2E7E for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03903-01 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 383407B2AA3 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA6KY2vQ023145 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:34:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3daa63b8lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe , David Pilling muttered: [Snippety snip] > All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in > OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as > ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. Do you know roughly how much time it would take to add to the RISC OS version? If feasible do you know what sort of ball-park figure an upgrade might cost? (ie. I'm wondering how much it would cost to fund such a project). From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 21:42:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpW9K-1VHVbs-07-Ai5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:42:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpW9K-1VHVbs-07-Ai5; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:39:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpW9K-1VHVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:39:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpW9J-0004KJ-W9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:39:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13C3D7B28B4; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12312-09; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB93B7B2693; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08A937B28B4 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12205-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AA4B7B28E5 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAA02AAD1A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FE8392363 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:08 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kXZw2fUoKTqI for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:36:56 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9475DBAAB for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:39:07 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:39:20 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3db08934kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, > Robert Greenfield muttered: > > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > > Artworks and Techwriter? > > ...and would anyone other than me actually want this? > Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating menus > and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF download > on their website. I would hope that any such project produced CMYK or spot colours to avoid the degradation of conversion through a driver. I have found printers love Artworks PDF files which do this when the colour model is CMYK. Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 6 22:02:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpWQ9-2WQ000-02-ARG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:02:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpWQ9-2WQ000-02-ARG; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:57:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpWQ9-2WQ000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:57:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpWQ9-0005L7-9g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:57:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B17A07B1FD7; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14743-05; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8376D7B24AA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B83AE7B1FD7 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14662-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv2.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv2.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D54A7B1D7C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 124-197-53-20.callplus.net.nz ([124.197.53.20] helo=XPHOMEPC) by mxsrv2.tranzpeer.net with SMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1IpWPQ-0007aU-H4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:56:32 +1300 Message-ID: <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:56:34 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > > All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in > OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as > ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. > > > -- In fact direct PDF generation in OPW is probably the only possible enhancement I would find any use for. Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from Direct Postscript? Dan McCarthy From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:34:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpWv7-2QaGPo-06-9wI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:34:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpWv7-2QaGPo-06-9wI; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpWv7-2QaGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpWv7-0004ed-4y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:29:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BABC57B24BF; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18625-10; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F8A87B2066; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EC8F7B2557 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18515-02 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id F31BA7B2528 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 59663 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2007 22:28:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (cbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2007 22:28:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fgkf_nEVM1lZEt6hhMaaMdE1CG9tFqEn7BtmZihAiRq6R9KWzrFpOyuW10te4nYSvXVyzjtG7Q-- Message-ID: <4730EA8C.3040205@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:28:28 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dan McCarthy wrote: > >> >> All the above are nice ideas. With the direct PostScript generation in >> OP for Windows PDF at least is not too far fetched. The problem (as >> ever) are the small number of users and my lack of time. >> >> >> -- > In fact direct PDF generation in OPW is probably the only possible > enhancement I would find any use for. > > Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from > Direct Postscript? > Dan McCarthy There are any number of PDF creators on the market, some expensive like Adobe Acrobat, some much cheaper like CutePDF, PDF995, and Win2PDF/Pro. It depends on what features you need --- you get what you pay for. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:34:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpY6V-1EAknw-01-8ku.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:34:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpY6V-1EAknw-01-8ku; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpY6V-1EAknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpY6V-0001sb-Bb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27CD97B2BAA; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26349-09; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECEE37B2BD3; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3204B7B2BAA for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26251-03 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1F907B2B5B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from g4iat.demon.co.uk ([80.177.19.185] helo=Iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpY5n-000MNc-Fh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:44:24 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Barry Smith X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:43:05 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f3d307315philco@heter.co.uk> <88uHrnCqm5LHFwrG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.03b2 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: baz@g4iat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <8da13b3d4f.g4iat@demon.co.uk>, Barry Smith > writes >>The question is, how do I upgrade all the other stuff from 1.39 to >>1.41? > See the upgrades at the bottom of: > http://www.davidpilling.com/spark.html > I guess that as you work your way up that chain your brand new zip > module will be clobbered, so keep right on to the 1.41b upgrade. Many thanks. I'll make copies at each stage just in case something goes wrong! Barry -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:34:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IphJN-4ESVbs-07-Gb4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:34:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IphJN-4ESVbs-07-Gb4; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IphJN-4ESVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IphJN-0005qP-DA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:35:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D14597B2C0F; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13325-08; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A75997B2E0A; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:34:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DAA07B2C0F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13266-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5323E7B2CEF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (81-178-93-14.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.93.14]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727B4E00087C for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:34:10 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, > Robert Greenfield muttered: > > Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like > > Artworks and Techwriter? ...and would anyone other than me actually > > want this? > Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating > menus and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF > download on their website. I would also find it very useful for exactly the same types of reason. In fact it is the convenience of .pdf creation from Artworks that often makes me choose that in preference to OvationPro when I am producing a poster. Obviously, this is not a good solution for something that is more text oriented than a typical poster. I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:35:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpiAd-44G000-06-Fjo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:35:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpiAd-44G000-06-Fjo; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpiAd-44G000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpiAc-0000D3-Qv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC5CE7B2479; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18703-06; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F09E7B2035; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:29:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 101AB7B2479 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18552-06 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6CA47B246B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:29:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ipi9q-0003MA-CM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:29:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:25:41 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: > I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rath= er > messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared = to > pay for such an upgrade. The mind boggles! Doing the upgrade would require: Learning the structure of PDF For each object, assuming OPro can be resolved into objects, working out how to convert to PDF objects Programming same Integrating into one package Debugging Beta test More debugging Distribution After-sales support Sounds like rather a lot of man-hours, 200 is a fair guess, could easily be more. A good self-employed programmer used to be able to get =A3300 a day, so this sounds like =A37,500. Perhaps 50 people will want this enough to pay what it costs; sounds like =A3150 each. All criticisms of the above sums are accepted. But it shows we are talking of hundreds of pounds per copy sold. Do we really think that there are that number of people willing to pay that sort of price? =20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:35:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpiRM-4Wyknw-01-FT5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:35:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpiRM-4Wyknw-01-FT5; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpiRM-4Wyknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpiRL-0002Ai-Lx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FB517B25B4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19971-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7CA57B24B3; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19EC07B25B4 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19768-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3C187B24B3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-74-236.as15444.net [82.163.74.236]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA7AkR1i001454 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:46:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:47:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3df8a82djohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > > I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the > > rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter ... I don't use the facilities in EasiWriter, but just 'print' using !PrintPDF. I prefer things like this to be separate entities, because then they can be used with all programmes, not just one. Creating PDF files is one example, and another is the ability to print multiple pages to a sheet. Easiwriter has very good 'thumbnails' and 'booklet' printing, O-Pro has equivalent (possibly better) facilities. But if I receive a PDF file and want to print two pages to a sheet, I can't do it (at least not without a lot of messing around). Therefore if any effort is available for such things I would far rather it go towards universal facilities that can be used like a printer, than being built into an individual application. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:35:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpiXX-0EgVbs-01-FMu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:35:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpiXX-0EgVbs-01-FMu; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpiXX-0EgVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpiXX-00022a-3Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B8C17B2818; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20543-08; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21FE97B27A8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:53:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF34D7B2818 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20494-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 767947B2756 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 85525 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 10:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 10:53:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CgRQiwIVM1mfQE14k9cTJLGRZyrO.mT_IcMPuAFaGGVZJkJFlElqTBoc0_W8n_uE6ml0epGYWw-- Message-ID: <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:52:52 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > In article <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay > wrote: >> In a dim and distant universe <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz>, >> Robert Greenfield muttered: >>> Would it be possible to add direct .pdf creation into OvationPro like >>> Artworks and Techwriter? ...and would anyone other than me actually >>> want this? > >> Definitely. That would be very handy to me, especially when creating >> menus and flyers for local restaurants, who subsequently require a PDF >> download on their website. > > I would also find it very useful for exactly the same types of reason. > In fact it is the convenience of .pdf creation from Artworks that often > makes me choose that in preference to OvationPro when I am producing a > poster. Obviously, this is not a good solution for something that is > more text oriented than a typical poster. > > I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rather > messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared to > pay for such an upgrade. As D.P. says, the user-base hardly justifies the effort of implementing direct .pdf for individual RO applications. An improved PS printer driver may be the best compromise. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 11:44:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpjBs-1Huknw-04-EiZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:44:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpjBs-1Huknw-04-EiZ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:35:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpjBs-1Huknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:35:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpjBp-0006hF-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:35:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7392A7B2479; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24414-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 465167B24FE; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C9FB7B2479 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23921-09 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48C017B1E6E for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpjAr-000P3A-Eq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:34:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:29:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy writes >Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from >Direct Postscript? Two methods, are Adobe Acrobat (which acts as a PostScript printer driver) and GhostScript/GSView. There are many other printer drivers that produce PDF but they often are based on Windows Meta Files like most Windows printer drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 12:44:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipk95-2UBGPo-02-DlM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipk95-2UBGPo-02-DlM; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipk95-2UBGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipk94-0006jv-W7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326DF7B305A; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31904-01; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02A3B7B3053; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:35:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDE6E7B2F82 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31649-05 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94F557B2DBC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Ipk8M2S3z-0003Xw; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19241qGRZUXSrVHImZxpz1X6iCDXKkKMmgzjl/ LufdiRgIPMRIVXnBMXsT9igvpQK0VPoB2V0F4jImTX6anhNtWs KSUkq63efz3dTn4X7j647ZAK4+tZCeq X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rather >> messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared to >> pay for such an upgrade. > > As D.P. says, the user-base hardly justifies the effort of implementing > direct .pdf for individual RO applications. An improved PS printer > driver may be the best compromise. Yes, that will certainly help. I expect that the proposed PostScript 3 driver will eventually fix most of the limitations that cause trouble at the moment. Plus, it is likely that it will offer CMYK printing support with only minimal adjustments required in printing applications. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 12:44:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipk97-2HQGPo-01-DlK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipk97-2HQGPo-01-DlK; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipk97-2HQGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipk94-0004gR-VX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:36:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E9E17B305C; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31896-05; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 075BA7B25B4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:35:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 017A57B2DBC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31656-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A17477B2F7B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Ipk8L0quc-0003Xw; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:35:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19p/5Po/BsO/yuLnpEbGZo+iYhSHnVqv+aDonS RB+2Ixclt8UVL5RkvCC2NQP57ooeVU+sDn5Yu2Mg7qPEB3vOlB Rbiy1HeVx88wvYQPUwhVbfUHZPHdMQC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote= : >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the rat= her >> messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly be prepared= to >> pay for such an upgrade. > The mind boggles! > Doing the upgrade would require: > [...] > Sounds like rather a lot of man-hours, 200 is a fair guess, could easil= y > be more. A good self-employed programmer used to be able to get =A3300= a > day, so this sounds like =A37,500. Perhaps 50 people will want this > enough to pay what it costs; sounds like =A3150 each. There is nothing OvationPro specific in what you wrote above, so=20 surely, the same reasoning would have applied to ArtWorks? Except of=20 course that direct PDF export from ArtWorks is an order of magnitude=20 more complex due to the more advanced graphical effects ArtWorks=20 offers. If so, I wonder how it came to be that direct PDF export for=20 ArtWorks was offered for =A330 per copy? Your idea of 50 users being=20 interested seems extremely low to me. If I had not expected several=20 times that number of interested users in ArtWorks direct PDF export I=20 would not have started. I would be surprised if fewer people were interested in Direct PDF=20 export from OvationPro than from ArtWorks. Actually, I think there are=20 far more OvationPro users around than ArtWorks users (to give you an=20 idea of the word processing vs. the graphics market - IIRC Impression=20 sold around 10 times the number of copies ArtWorks sold), plus there=20 has not been a chargeable upgrade for OP for a long time, so these=20 users are likely to be eager to upgrade. Following your rough=20 calculation (assuming the effort is realistic and ignoring minor=20 details like VAT) - in order to meet the price of =A330 I charged for=20 ArtWorks direct PDF export you only need 250 OvationPro users who are=20 willing to upgrade. That does not seem at all unrealistic to me. Of course, there is little point in such calculations because at the=20 end of the day it will be down to David's estimation of the required=20 effort and of the number of potential buyers, plus of course the=20 question whether he has any time to do it. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 12:54:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpkJB-0C5000-02-DbG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:54:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpkJB-0C5000-02-DbG; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpkJB-0C5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpkJA-0004UA-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA60D7B307B; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00385-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFBB77B3097; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC6297B3051 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32767-05 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B92AE7B2F71 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IpkIR-000NAM-7W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:46:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3dff0efcjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 07 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > As D.P. says, the user-base hardly justifies the effort of implementing > direct .pdf for individual RO applications. An improved PS printer > driver may be the best compromise. It's a pity that the importance of pdf support wasn't appreciated until late in the development life of Acorn. A system-common facility to print to pdf (and pdf-X) would have made a big difference. ;-( -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 13:14:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipkix-1pb000-02-DBU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:14:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipkix-1pb000-02-DBU; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipkix-1pb000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipkiw-00023h-PM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:13:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 225677B2B2E; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03475-01; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E81057B29BC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 856E47B289D for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03310-07 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 342A47B2833 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA7DCiNq003490 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:12:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:11:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe , Martin Wuerthner muttered: > Yes, that will certainly help. I expect that the proposed PostScript 3 > driver will eventually fix most of the limitations that cause trouble at > the moment. Plus, it is likely that it will offer CMYK printing support > with only minimal adjustments required in printing applications. I know it's probably a silly question, and one you've probably been asked loads of times, but do you have a rough timescale for when it might be ready? This year? Next year? Five years? Paul From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 13:34:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipl1W-2tV000-02-Csv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:34:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipl1W-2tV000-02-Csv; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:32:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipl1W-2tV000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:32:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipl1S-00013A-2Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:32:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 165EC7B2EDC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07006-09; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D78067B2EC8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49B897B26E5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06769-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6867B2B30 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133159.RZQR26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:31:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133157.MQT29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:31:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:25:24 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro > than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well > documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a > cross-platform format. I thought David had indicated some time back that there would be no more RISC OS specific development of OP, but it could benefit from spin-offs from the Windows OP. As Windows applications[1] invariably produce PDF output via a printer driver, I would hazard a guess that Windows OP will never have direct PDF output and therefor the RISC OS version won't either. [1] except MS Office 2007 which has a standalone PDF driver as part of the suite - although it can of course also use the myriad of PDF printer drivers available very cheaply. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 13:34:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipl1q-1uB000-05-Csb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:34:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipl1q-1uB000-05-Csb; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipl1q-1uB000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipl1h-0006Gd-Sd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CA4A7B2CE6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-01; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3E477B2C58; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B97007B2CE5 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06830-02 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CE957B26CF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133205.YOSA1783.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:32:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071107133205.MRE29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:32:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:29:58 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <004101c820bf$e5d2f7f0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy > writes > >Failing that, what is the best method of producing PDFs from > >Direct Postscript? > > Two methods, are Adobe Acrobat (which acts as a PostScript printer > driver) and GhostScript/GSView. > > There are many other printer drivers that produce PDF but they often are > based on Windows Meta Files like most Windows printer drivers. > PrimoPDF produces a very respectable PDF output - and it's free: http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/0,1000000375,39306930s,00.htm will find it. I haven't used it with OPW, but I see no reason why it won't work. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IplXm-1XFVbs-08-CMf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IplXm-1XFVbs-08-CMf; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:06:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IplXm-1XFVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:06:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IplXl-0004xJ-Nd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:06:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16C087B2C52; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11209-06; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BADE87B2951; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B2AF7B2C52 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11003-09 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EA127B2A9A for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1IplWz3yAw-00052z; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:05:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:00:37 +0100 Message-ID: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+0dPOW/Fq9BIlkalsjKX0MTNCfxB+TCZ2YEGc F4/UQLvZplJtzIxEk5xsF0QDP+U1Lgp5lBvQTLBCVF96pxERtX ncyX5hBqjjWYy0mgmEDFrJSQ42DFb6o X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe , > Martin Wuerthner muttered: >> Yes, that will certainly help. I expect that the proposed PostScript 3 >> driver will eventually fix most of the limitations that cause trouble at >> the moment. Plus, it is likely that it will offer CMYK printing support >> with only minimal adjustments required in printing applications. > I know it's probably a silly question, and one you've probably been asked > loads of times, but do you have a rough timescale for when it might be > ready? This year? Next year? Five years? That is relatively easy to answer. It will not be this year, and if it does not happen next year it will never happen. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipm4x-1gSGPo-07-BpU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipm4x-1gSGPo-07-BpU; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipm4x-1gSGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipm4v-0002xU-Vq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5712C7B2F5F; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15044-05; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22A077B2F8E; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5D307B2F5F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14895-05 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DBAD7B2F5E for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ipm4C-000529-PI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:39:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >=20 > > In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wro= te: >=20 > >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the > >> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly > >> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. > Following your rough calculation (assuming the effort is realistic and > ignoring minor details like VAT) - in order to meet the price of =A330 = I > charged for ArtWorks direct PDF export you only need 250 OvationPro > users who are willing to upgrade. That does not seem at all > unrealistic to me. Very interesting as a revised analysis from One Who Knows About These Things. It sounds as if there could be a financially viable and rewarding project. > Of course, there is little point in such calculations because at the > end of the day it will be down to David's estimation of the required=20 > effort and of the number of potential buyers, plus of course the=20 > question whether he has any time to do it. There does also seem to be a greater chorus of approval for this extension of RISC OS OPro than for anything else I've heard of. I wonder what this will lead to?=20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpmGM-2NQGPo-07-Be5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpmGM-2NQGPo-07-Be5; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpmGM-2NQGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpmGH-0005vl-Jm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:52:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C139E7B314C; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16502-05-6; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93C9A7B3152; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B02157B300D for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16313-10 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-gs4dmrelay.mistral.net (lon-gs4dmrelay.mistral.net [217.154.246.189]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BE757B2F71 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [89.240.3.226] (helo=riscube) by lon-gs4dmrelay.mistral.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ipm6M-0001TS-2D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:41:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro > > than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well > > documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a > > cross-platform format. > I thought David had indicated some time back that there would be no more > RISC OS specific development of OP, but it could benefit from spin-offs > from the Windows OP. > As Windows applications[1] invariably produce PDF output via a printer > driver, I would hazard a guess that Windows OP will never have direct PDF > output and therefor the RISC OS version won't either. As far as I can see, Open Office, Xara Extreme and Scribus all have direct PDF export. How it is implemented, I am not aware, but there again I don't need know - as far as I am concerned it is directly from the application. R -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpmW4-1oj000-04-BON.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpmW4-1oj000-04-BON; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:08:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpmW4-1oj000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:08:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpmW0-00079G-Sk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:08:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D1C17B2A57; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18856-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 125B37B296C; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D7C57B2A57 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18778-06 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAD407B293F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.31]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1IpmVH21ad-0002z4; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:07:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:06:41 +0100 Message-ID: <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18y5FLLV6erB0WERR756FjXiDemjzx/7UQwHf3 v5XGwK+UokUm8GxlRGB/MeKe/p7BFz8mMV6mIGtzWe6+gAcV/0 e5E55N/CeqM9cIRRNvtW6/BSmIy3Ffl X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> Richard Travers wrote: > In article , > Ray Dawson wrote: >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> >>> It would probably be easier to add direct PDF export to OvationPro >>> than adding direct ArtWorks export because the PDF format is well >>> documented and it would make more sense anyway because it is a >>> cross-platform format. >> I thought David had indicated some time back that there would be no more >> RISC OS specific development of OP, but it could benefit from spin-offs >> from the Windows OP. >> As Windows applications[1] invariably produce PDF output via a printer >> driver, I would hazard a guess that Windows OP will never have direct PDF >> output and therefor the RISC OS version won't either. > As far as I can see, Open Office, Xara Extreme and Scribus all have direct > PDF export. How it is implemented, I am not aware, but there again I don't > need know - as far as I am concerned it is directly from the application. Yes, and for precisely the same reasons why we want it for RISC OS applications: Because going through the printer driver loses information - CMYK colours for a start. So, Windows and RISC OS are pretty similar in that respect. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 18:56:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpoTa-1OFknw-08-9Qr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:56:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpoTa-1OFknw-08-9Qr; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:14:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpoTa-1OFknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:14:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpoTQ-00062v-72 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:14:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A94627B3E8F; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05706-09; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E6737B4243; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C42C7B3E8F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05522-04 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 620257B415F for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 40AA11C00088 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:10:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-54404c03.wfd75b.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.76.3]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B538D1C00085 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:10:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071107171007742.B538D1C00085@mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:09:54 GMT Message-ID: <5cb41b3e4f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <640ca73d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f3e0eb4f0richtm@uwclub.net> <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <916c103e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> As far as I can see, Open Office, Xara Extreme and Scribus all have direct >> PDF export. How it is implemented, I am not aware, but there again I don't >> need know - as far as I am concerned it is directly from the application. > Yes, and for precisely the same reasons why we want it for RISC OS > applications: Because going through the printer driver loses > information - CMYK colours for a start. So, Windows and RISC OS are > pretty similar in that respect. > Martin So would it be better to add direct PS/PDF creation to each application, or to improve the printer drivers? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 19:36:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IpqYl-209knw-02-FsC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:36:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IpqYl-209knw-02-FsC; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:27:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IpqYl-209knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:27:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IpqYk-00072i-55 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:27:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC2207B3A8B; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27441-07; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A83F97B39EC; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D2C97B3A2B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27318-08 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 1FA067B30CC for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Nov 2007 19:26:44 -0000 Received: from gprs-pool-1-008.eplus-online.de (EHLO [10.161.2.246]) [212.23.126.8] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 07 Nov 2007 20:26:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17337996 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dvB9ymGtdyLlNt3UaTqM/jxuAwVWuQDkXhnrhV3 yXdPCQyAwNdRWa Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.3.7.01 by Snapperfish To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> In-Reply-To: <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> From: Jochen Konietzko Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:26:12 +0100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: JochenKonietzko@gmx.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain ..... Original Message ....... On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> In message >> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>=20 >> > In message of 7 Nov, =22Rob Hemmings (News)=22 wrote: >>=20 >> >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the >> >> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly >> >> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. > > > >> Following your rough calculation (assuming the effort is realistic and >> ignoring minor details like VAT) - in order to meet the price of =A330 I >> charged for ArtWorks direct PDF export you only need 250 OvationPro >> users who are willing to upgrade. That does not seem at all >> unrealistic to me. > >Very interesting as a revised analysis from One Who Knows About These >Things. It sounds as if there could be a financially viable and >rewarding project. > >> Of course, there is little point in such calculations because at the >> end of the day it will be down to David's estimation of the required=20 >> effort and of the number of potential buyers, plus of course the=20 >> question whether he has any time to do it. > >There does also seem to be a greater chorus of approval for this >extension of RISC OS OPro than for anything else I've heard of. I >wonder what this will lead to?=20 > >--=20 >Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim=40= powys.org >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:/= /powys.org/ Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for myself an= d my girlfriend. Regards,=20 Jochen=20 ---------------------------------------------------- Sent with SnapperMail on a Palm T=7CT3 Jochen Konietzko=20 F=FChlinger Weg 4 D-50765 K=F6ln +49/1772998789 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 7 21:56:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ipskn-2XXVbs-02-DgA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:56:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ipskn-2XXVbs-02-DgA; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ipskn-2XXVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ipskm-00076k-OG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:48:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ADF27B4082; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18558-10; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D81417B40B4; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D43C97B4082 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18413-04 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A8AF7B4079 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D347E2AAFEA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:47:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E63DBABA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:47:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX04cJLAO0T4 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:45:05 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687AEDBA9C for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:47:17 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:47:27 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, Jochen Konietzko wrote: > ..... Original Message ....... > On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > >> In message > >> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >> > >> > In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: > >> > >> >> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the > >> >> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly > >> >> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. [snip] > Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for myself and my girlfriend. I would certainly go for a couple too! Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 11:47:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq1pS-2HM000-07-D81.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:47:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq1pS-2HM000-07-D81; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:29:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq1pS-2HM000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:29:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq1pR-0005Xj-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:29:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E839C7B30B1; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10761-04; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B20E07B31E0; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:28:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8183C7B30B1 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10609-08 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09DA67B3033 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108072843.GIDK26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:28:43 +0000 Received: from iyonix ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108072843.MHJL29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:28:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:02:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, > Jochen Konietzko wrote: >> ..... Original Message ....... >> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:38:15 GMT Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>>In message of 7 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>> >>>> In message >>>> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >>>> >>>>> In message of 7 Nov, "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I would far rather have direct .pdf output than to have to use the >>>>>> rather messy solution adopted by Techwriter and I would certainly >>>>>> be prepared to pay for such an upgrade. > [snip] >> Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for >> myself and my girlfriend. > I would certainly go for a couple too! > Keith Count me in for one copy, Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 11:47:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq4pp-2Vi000-03-A7e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:47:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq4pp-2Vi000-03-A7e; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:42:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq4pp-2Vi000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:42:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq4pn-0006q3-EC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:42:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2D347B3CAE; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26721-03; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF52A7B3D91; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:41:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B54AB7B3CAE for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26504-07 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 005957B3A03 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Iq4oh0eOZ-0003ad; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:41:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:40:44 +0100 Message-ID: <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Mxkz1P53ee5LxciiQem9v9ckjs4TQnSvOVYS q8EXILQPWqCX4v9ZMHe5fXgXvFeW3qf31fM6jZ/Scyu3jcwDCo eRx7q3c4WEQnHZZRwpCaWXtRVBgDaRF X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> > Keith Hopper wrote: >> In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, >> Jochen Konietzko wrote: > >>> Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for >>> myself and my girlfriend. >> >> I would certainly go for a couple too! > > Count me in for one copy, Gentlemen, I do not think this is the right medium. Do you seriously expect everyone else to announce their intention to buy the proposed upgrade via this list as well and would you really want to see all these messages? The majority of potential buyers would not speak up here unless there was an official call to do, which I hope will not happen because this is a discussion list and not an opinion poll. There would be be far better methods to gauge interest in case David wanted to find out (e.g., asking those who are interested to send a private e-mail with a specific subject, so they can be counted automatically). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 11:47:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq551-4aq000-02-9sS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:47:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq551-4aq000-02-9sS; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:57:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq551-4aq000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:57:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq551-0005oK-5x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:57:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C1007B2C12; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28137-02; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0823E7B31A4; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:57:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1825F7B2C12 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27933-08 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5EEE7B2C30 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108105702.JSOK26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:02 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071108105702.RQPE219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:02 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:56:46 GMT Message-ID: <10617d3e4f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <30d20d3e4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]> <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <7fe97b3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <4f3e351d93kh@waikato.ac.nz> >> Keith Hopper wrote: >>> In article <5261242-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC357C1F1@[10.161.2.246]>, >>> Jochen Konietzko wrote: >> >>>> Count me in for two copies (30 UKP would be quite acceptable) for >>>> myself and my girlfriend. >>> >>> I would certainly go for a couple too! >> >> Count me in for one copy, > Gentlemen, I do not think this is the right medium. Do you seriously > expect everyone else to announce their intention to buy the proposed > upgrade via this list as well and would you really want to see all > these messages? The majority of potential buyers would not speak up > here unless there was an official call to do, which I hope will not > happen because this is a discussion list and not an opinion poll. > There would be be far better methods to gauge interest in case David > wanted to find out (e.g., asking those who are interested to send a > private e-mail with a specific subject, so they can be counted > automatically). Oh dear Martin, we are guilty of doing it in the past. 8-( Alan (feeling told off again) -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 12:17:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq6G7-45fknw-05-8hM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:17:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq6G7-45fknw-05-8hM; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:13:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq6G7-45fknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:13:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq6G6-0006k0-Oh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:13:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F39C7B41C9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02814-03; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7172F7B4231; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:12:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B33617B41C9 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02640-04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B1F37B4160 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iq6FN-00006l-0r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:12:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:11:28 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >export from OvationPro than from ArtWorks. Actually, I think there are >far more OvationPro users around than ArtWorks users (to give you an I am impressed by how Martin has kept enthusiasm up and raised money to keep development work going for ArtWorks. I probably could have done the same with Ovation Pro. Thanks for all the discussion. It occurs to me that when Martin's new printer driver comes out then there will be less enthusiasm for enhanced PostScript/PDF output from Ovation Pro. What you will want then is CMYK support for the new printer driver. I expect I will do that. As to PDF export etc. I don't know. I might I suppose. I am not enthusiastic. I've seen so many years work on RISC OS go to waste. (incidentally there were hints above that ArtWorks graphics would not render if OP produced PDF). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq8hM-2HSVbs-07-Emd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq8hM-2HSVbs-07-Emd; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq8hM-2HSVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq8hK-0001yM-2B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:49:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47DC07B44ED; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25212-05; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14A2E7B4503; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:48:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19F4A7B4457 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24962-04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8CB67B446F for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-28-149.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.28.149]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169CEE00045F for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:48:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:48:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes > >export from OvationPro than from ArtWorks. Actually, I think there are > >far more OvationPro users around than ArtWorks users (to give you an > I am impressed by how Martin has kept enthusiasm up and raised money to > keep development work going for ArtWorks. > I probably could have done the same with Ovation Pro. > Thanks for all the discussion. > It occurs to me that when Martin's new printer driver comes out then > there will be less enthusiasm for enhanced PostScript/PDF output from > Ovation Pro. > What you will want then is CMYK support for the new printer driver. I > expect I will do that. > As to PDF export etc. I don't know. I might I suppose. I am not > enthusiastic. I've seen so many years work on RISC OS go to waste. > (incidentally there were hints above that ArtWorks graphics would not > render if OP produced PDF). The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be that I could then easily share documents that I have created on OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial printers. For example, I have created a long document (about 150 pages), with lots of colour pictures, about my family history that I would like to share with some of my relatives who only have Windows based computers. To be able to send them a .pdf file would be ideal but to get it printed first would cost a considerable amount of money. I know one answer is to try and persuade them to load the read only version of OvationPro but that will be more complicated for them and some of them are not very computer literate! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq8pp-20RGPo-06-EeA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq8pp-20RGPo-06-EeA; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:58:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq8pp-20RGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:58:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq8pm-0005LP-Lm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:58:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D97D27B37F7; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26808-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABBE27B2BB0; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AAF97B3573 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26633-09 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E93DB7B3567 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Iq8p3-0001LD-P2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:57:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e90731fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 08 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > As to PDF export etc. I don't know. I might I suppose. I am not > enthusiastic. I've seen so many years work on RISC OS go to waste. *All* computer development goe to waste. *All* spending on computers is wasted money. All you need do is wate for something better to come along - and it will soon, and make all that work and spending an utter waste of time ... .. except that, unless someone does development today, and unless someone spends money on that development today, your (our) system won't have a tomorrow. As I see it there are some people happy to spend money on Ovation Pro today - and I'll be pleased to help promote that idea. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq926-3kEVbs-07-ERt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq926-3kEVbs-07-ERt; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq926-3kEVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq923-00059w-28 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 390957B43F2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29015-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F90D7B43C0; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:10:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 682C77B44BD for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28815-02-2 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A582C7B4420 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.262) id 473326cc.18533.b8b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:10:04 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:10:04 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 8 Nov at 14:48 "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote in message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> > > For example, I have created a long document (about 150 pages), with lots > of colour pictures, about my family history that I would like to share > with some of my relatives who only have Windows based computers. To be > able to send them a .pdf file would be ideal but to get it printed first > would cost a considerable amount of money. > I have, for several years, been producing technical manuals in OPro on RISC OS (in fact the only thing I use my RPC for nowadays). I print them to PostScript using the PS printer driver, and convert that to PDF using one of the many ps -> pdf converters (Nowadays under Linux, 'cos it's faster, but the RISC OS products are quite adequate). As has been commented here, going through the ps printer driver is not ideal, and unsuitable for pre-press, but for what you (and I) require, it is perfectly adequate. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq92N-0xiVbs-08-ERc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq92N-0xiVbs-08-ERc; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq92N-0xiVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq92L-0007nH-J2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:11:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4F7F7B4560; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29140-02; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A2B87B4469; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4BA7B43B3 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28901-10 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5526D7B4549 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1Iq91c-00031z-Bg for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:10:32 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Spark FS 1.41b ? Received: from 61.203.149.86 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:10:32 +0000 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:10:32 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. Regards Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9M3-2IKVbs-08-E7w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9M3-2IKVbs-08-E7w; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9M3-2IKVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9Lu-0003PJ-0I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:31:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 560BD7B477E; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32657-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 273407B477A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E4F87B457A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32483-04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 282367B4554 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ChrisV.chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk (dsl82-163-137-4.as15444.net [82.163.137.4]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA8FTuH6024339 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:29:57 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Venables X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:33:07 GMT Message-ID: <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35S) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris.venab@orpheusinternet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message "Ian Platt" wrote: > Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? > The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on the > iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. > Regards > Ian P. YES I do not know whether or not my 1.41 version has been patched as it still appears with the same Icon and date! Chris.V -- This e-mail is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please accept my apologies; please do not disclose, copy or distribute the information in this e-mail or act on its contents: to do so may be unlawful. Please inform me that this message has gone astray before deleting it. Thank you for your co-operation. Chris. Venables 01434 608277 chris.venab@orpheusinternet.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9l9-2JVknw-01-Diq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9l9-2JVknw-01-Diq; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9l9-2JVknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9l3-0004zh-K1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:57:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADF0C7B3798; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04616-04; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 832237B415A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84E497B3798 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04469-05 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C28CF7B31FB for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iq9jS-000CP5-Ga for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:55:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3e98fdedcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > For example, I have created a long document (about 150 pages), with lots > of colour pictures, about my family history that I would like to share > with some of my relatives who only have Windows based computers. To be > able to send them a .pdf file would be ideal but to get it printed first > would cost a considerable amount of money. I am regularly creating documents in OvPro and sending them as pdfs to others. Yes, its a 2 stage process (print to file as PS2 and then use RiScript to create the pdf) but it works well. I can send stuff for printing this way, too. Some of my posters have been blown up to A0 and look wonderful. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9uQ-4gDVbs-08-DZZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9uQ-4gDVbs-08-DZZ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:07:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9uQ-4gDVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:07:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9uE-00065V-DN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:07:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53AB47B3229; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06422-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E6E17B4491; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F215F7B3229 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06247-06 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail1.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 607137B3723 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace. (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail1.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AE250F79 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:06:13 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:06:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? Message-ID: <4f3e99b0f0bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Ian Platt wrote: > Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? No > The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the > same on the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. I believe David said that only the Zip module has changed, which is confirmed by the ReadMe file in the downloaded zip. Hence main version number remains at 1.41. Do *H.zip which should show the new module v1.40 (01 Nov 2007). Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iq9vh-3im000-06-DYI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iq9vh-3im000-06-DYI; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iq9vh-3im000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iq9vc-0000KC-2u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:08:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E6467B43F4; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06639-05; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E90A47B4894; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:07:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 846B67B43F4 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06532-05 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 029277B451E for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Iq9ur15UV-0003vj; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:07:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: <6ad4993e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9z3LEBBALzxrf6/POC0+nSSfSXhXZMnQcnIC v0JnIeL1+UGip45U+kt+yTGe+Xs9NtACdKDQS/r88t1oTo3/vE YUTmkzh/hVWRsfpVdtTD0uCMK+pBEbC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <402c9c3e4f.ChrisV@chris.venab.orpheusinternet.co.uk> Chris Venables wrote: > In message > "Ian Platt" wrote: >> Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? No. >> The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 Yes, this is intentional. David's upgrades are always named after the version you upgrade *from*. This is different from the practice followed by other vendors but each convention has its downsides. David's method makes a lot of sense because normally, everyone wants to upgrade *to* the latest version whereas users often upgrade *from* different versions. >> and it says the same on the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. As has been pointed out by David on this list this is as intended. > YES > I do not know whether or not my 1.41 version has been patched as it > still appears with the same Icon and date! True, but since the main application was not changed, this is precisely as expected. If you are unsure you can always have a look at the file !SparkFS.Modules.Zip. The upgraded copy has a file and module date of 01 Nov 07. To avoid precisely this irritation with ArtWorks I usually include an upgraded copy of the main application executable with a new version number with every upgrade even if just a module has changed. This is a waste of space but it is worth it because it avoid confusion. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:06:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqAAz-1ErGPo-08-DJ0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:06:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqAAz-1ErGPo-08-DJ0; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqAAz-1ErGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqAAt-0001E3-Rf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44B037B4C69; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09181-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09C057B4BD9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71D477B4BD6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08927-02 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82AE07B4BBF for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1IqA9f-00088Y-7y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:22:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:22:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? Message-ID: <4f3e9b3b59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Ian Platt wrote: > Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? > The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on > the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. For crying out loud! - The following was posted on Mon 5th Nov by David P in a thread 'SparkFS 1.41b'. ------------------------------------------------------------------ >Thanks for the upgrade David. Should the Info box still show 1.41 >(20th October 2004). Yes. All this upgrade does is change the Zip module. F12 *help modules will show you. Sorry for not being clear enough. ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 17:36:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqBEF-4SYknw-06-CFk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:36:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqBEF-4SYknw-06-CFk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqBEF-4SYknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqBE6-0002Y5-KZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:31:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E89107B4C6A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19387-03; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0F8A7B4CEB; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 269A57B4C6A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19226-02 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8148D7B4C03 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqBCI-000NFO-B3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:28:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" writes >The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be >that I could then easily share documents that I have created on >OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I >would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial >printers. You have options right now. You can use GhostScript on RISC OS to produce PDF. There's the Taborca printer driver and there is RISC Script. Then you could take your RISC OS PostScript over to Windows and turn it into PDF there - probably squillions of programs are available to do that. You can take your OP document to Windows, use the Windows version of OP, that does have its own PostScript generation, so you can get decent PostScript (as opposed to the indecent stuff on RISC OS) and then again feed it into Windows GhostScript or use one of the many PDF printer drivers available. There's no charge for using the read only version of OP on Windows to produce PostScript. The catch above is that once you move the document to Windows you lose ArtWorks support. That is just the same as if OP on RISC OS had PDF generation built in. I'd not want to inflict OP on your relatives, give them a PDF, no problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 18:46:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqCJo-0sbVbs-04-BAB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:46:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqCJo-0sbVbs-04-BAB; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:41:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqCJo-0sbVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:41:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqCJj-00023Z-CN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F08C77B4BEB; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30202-05; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C45187B4C4A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB767B4BEB for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29948-08 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D13117B4BB6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-28-149.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.28.149]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACB8E000646 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:40:40 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" > writes > >The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be > >that I could then easily share documents that I have created on > >OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I > >would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial > >printers. > You have options right now. You can use GhostScript on RISC OS to > produce PDF. There's the Taborca printer driver and there is RISC > Script. Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. I do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared to pay for the convenience of direct output. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 19:16:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqCjv-2RVknw-08-Ak4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:16:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqCjv-2RVknw-08-Ak4; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:08:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqCjv-2RVknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:08:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqCjf-0002KB-6L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:08:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DD017B4E76; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02446-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F5017B4E6B; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:07:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEC177B4E21 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02124-10 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 67DBB7B45E7 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67465 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 19:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.132.87.93 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 19:07:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oVHZOl8VM1nm12blz3.ujRAuKA5UAGype7s7IIY.nYseJlFw14VPsYwIZ5SxS4fFLqBHIHg1lw-- Message-ID: <47335E5D.7060105@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:07:09 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>, "Rob Hemmings (News)" > writes >> The key point for me with direct .pdf output from OvationPro would be >> that I could then easily share documents that I have created on >> OvationPro with people on other platforms. It is not so much that I >> would want to print them directly here or even take them to commercial >> printers. > > You have options right now... > > ... you could take your RISC OS PostScript over to Windows and turn it > into PDF there - probably squillions of programs are available to do that. Yes, I used to do that at one time, but found that Acrobat Distiller didn't like the RiscOS PostScript. It would work with distiller set to small file size or standard (600 dpi), but invariably would fail in press (2400 dpi) mode. This (and Unicode support) was the reason I switched to OPW. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 8 19:16:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqCqY-0HM000-03-AdR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:16:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqCqY-0HM000-03-AdR; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqCqY-0HM000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqCqN-0004tT-Ty for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5F3B7B506D; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03797-01; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A747B4F94; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9893C7B4F80 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03677-02 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 839DC7B4F70 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-82-31.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.82.31]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD132B68F9 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:14:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:13:20 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 8 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote in message <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>: > Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. I > do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is > possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much > more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I > will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared to > pay for the convenience of direct output. Out of interest, what is inconvenient about the use of PrintPDF in conjunction with GhostScript? I'm happy to incorporate any sensible suggestions for making the process easier, if they're practical to do within the constraints of the printing system. At present you select the PDF printer from your Printers in the iconbar, print from O-Pro and drag the resulting PDF file to a directory. I'm obviously biased, but from here it looks very nearly as easy as direct export would be. If O-Pro offered export itself, I assume it would still need to allow the print options to be set first. http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/printpdf/ Note that there will be a new version out this weekend, if I manage to get the documentation finished and I don't find any bugs in the interim. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqG1a-1xRGPo-08-Fyv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqG1a-1xRGPo-08-Fyv; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:38:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqG1a-1xRGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:38:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqG1a-0007HQ-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:38:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB8187B4D5A; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02488-06-2; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C4647B4D63; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EE6D7B4C0B for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02293-09 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A0977B4B93 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-28-149.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.28.149]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F53FE000A4D for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:38:13 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:36:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 8 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote in message > <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>: > > Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. > > I do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is > > possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much > > more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I > > will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared > > to pay for the convenience of direct output. > Out of interest, what is inconvenient about the use of PrintPDF in > conjunction with GhostScript? I'm happy to incorporate any sensible > suggestions for making the process easier, if they're practical to do > within the constraints of the printing system. At present you select > the PDF printer from your Printers in the iconbar, print from O-Pro and > drag the resulting PDF file to a directory. PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent application. However, to use PrintPDF you still have to install an extra item of software and have an additional Printer installed that I am only going to use very occasionally. While this is not a huge problem it is still more convenient with an application like Artworks that simply lets you choose to export a .pdf file without having to ensure something else is installed (and loaded) first. It also avoids having to go via the RISC OS printing system which is not always perfect! It is just a difference of degree. I'll admit I'm probably being lazy but I just like the convenience of the direct generation. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqH9M-2gMVbs-02-Er9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqH9M-2gMVbs-02-Er9; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:51:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqH9M-2gMVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:51:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqH9L-0001l0-UX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:51:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F130F7B4D72; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12410-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD5E67B4DD9; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85FC87B4DF6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12252-06 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13DC87B4DEF for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqH8c-0002uJ-Me for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:50:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > In article <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt > wrote: > > On 8 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote in message > > <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com>: > > > Thanks to David and the others for pointing out the various options. > > > I do realise that creating .pdf files suitable for passing around is > > > possible but the point I was trying to make was that it would be much > > > more convenient to be able to output these direct from OvationPro. I > > > will use the other options if necessary but I would still be prepared > > > to pay for the convenience of direct output. > > Out of interest, what is inconvenient about the use of PrintPDF in > > conjunction with GhostScript? I'm happy to incorporate any sensible > > suggestions for making the process easier, if they're practical to do > > within the constraints of the printing system. At present you select > > the PDF printer from your Printers in the iconbar, print from O-Pro and > > drag the resulting PDF file to a directory. > > PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of improving > a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the following as > criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent application. > However, to use PrintPDF you still have to install an extra item of > software and have an additional Printer installed that I am only going to > use very occasionally. While this is not a huge problem it is still more > convenient with an application like Artworks that simply lets you choose > to export a .pdf file without having to ensure something else is > installed (and loaded) first. It also avoids having to go via the RISC > OS printing system which is not always perfect! > It is just a difference of degree. I'll admit I'm probably being lazy > but I just like the convenience of the direct generation. I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. It would make sense to have a single printer icon on the icon bar that, when chosen and printing activated, a save as ps / save as pdf window popped up with the choice to drag to a directory. NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the extended format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial printers? -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqHl0-2mKVbs-05-EFV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqHl0-2mKVbs-05-EFV; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqHl0-2mKVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqHku-0003Xm-3n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:29:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D3EA7B4C16; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17693-08; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 347297B4C59; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F52F7B4A05 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17597-01 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A22097B4AC8 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-82-31.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.82.31]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556482DE4B4 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:17:47 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > > > PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of > > improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the > > following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent > > application. [snip] > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? > It would make sense to have a single printer icon on the icon bar that, > when chosen and printing activated, a save as ps / save as pdf window > popped up with the choice to drag to a directory. I dare say that PrintPDF could easily be made to save raw PS files if needed (the underlying code to queue the output from the PS printer driver is there already), though I'm not sure that complicating the UI like that would be worthwhile these days given the amount that raw PS files don't (IME) get used. > A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the > extended format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial > printers? The work that Martin and John Tytgat are proposing for Printers seems to be intended to cover a number of what I understand to be the problems, isn't it? Hasn't David already stated in this thread that, should a suitable new version of Printers appear, he would look to support it in RISC OS O-Pro? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqQTP-28b000-08-E3c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqQTP-28b000-08-E3c; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqQTP-28b000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqQTN-0006pr-9O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:48:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5DFE7B50BF; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13502-03; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DFC97B51F9; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:47:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DD287B50BF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13291-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB6A57B50A4 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1IqQSf35jd-0005Eh; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX193QFHZ4YzRCemCWokDfYWdVWEdTyq7WAZWo9T zPS5mQehUjn5jm8iQCuIHZQKj5MZrCf2T+h9Nwtr4D85YnwYdd hXUF2ocH7nzAxppehAm+rUG7xwgAkOY X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful > people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps file with > something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could be changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find useful would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, !Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial to add to !Printers. > A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the extended > format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial printers? I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the term does not make any sense. What we want is standard PDFs with CMYK colours. There is a standard for that called PDF-X. Maybe this is what you meant, but if so, then please note that PDF-X is the very opposite of an "extended" PDF format, it is a "limited" PDF format, i.e., it eXcludes certain things. Currently, we cannot generate PDF-X sensibly because applications cannot print CMYK colours. With ArtWorks you can generate files that satisfy the PDF-X constraints though ArtWorks does not have an PDF-X option that would enforce them. With minor additions to the PostScript printer driver and the overall printing system and relatively minor updates to OvationPro that would be possible. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqQln-4eNVbs-01-DlE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqQln-4eNVbs-01-DlE; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqQln-4eNVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqQll-0000cf-It for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:07:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1AD97B514C; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17234-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65C1A7B52B6; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:06:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62DDC7B5169 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16932-06 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F063A7B506C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109100633.LQRD25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:06:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109100633.KFFH26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:06:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:02:17 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for > > forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps > > file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could > be changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find > useful would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", > which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you > would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, > !Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial > to add to !Printers. Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqRDP-1znGPo-02-DJc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqRDP-1znGPo-02-DJc; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqRDP-1znGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqRDH-0005yH-Et for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D312D7B52C9; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21045-01; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98F4C7B5267; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 598147B4FDE for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20822-09 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 255107B4FA5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqRCZ-0002lx-2P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:35:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:54:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message > <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > > On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: > > > > > PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of > > > improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the > > > following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent > > > application. > [snip] > > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. > You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? Paul & Louise will be most miffed that they spent all that money and floor space on buying a print-shop machine had they known ... ;-) Whilst you and others have done remarkable work (thanks Martin & the RS authors) we still don't have what I need. [Snip] -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqROJ-2hxGPo-02-D8i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqROJ-2hxGPo-02-D8i; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqROJ-2hxGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqROE-0004E6-Lw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C2D27B5401; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22985-08; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44A887B542D; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:45:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52F127B5391 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22325-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 567F47B538D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1IqRMy36Ee-0004tX; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:41:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX183Lb1J9BNY37WoR/10716zjrwm3gREMQVdo5G o+KsfwBkfwkfWn94C6yUvWxKpsdf1aJ57NskYrbSYnml72fXYM 44ZSZo4AIuCbolFg2CKOCq0M7fINPjl X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> >> John Cartmell wrote: >> >>> NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for >>> forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps >>> file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( >> >> True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is >> requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could >> be changed in the !Printers front-end. [...] > > Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same > place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept > together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable > suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? Unfortunately, !Printers does not have the slightest idea whether an application prints a file in the first place and if so, where that file might be stored. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:37:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqROh-1j9GPo-05-D8K.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqROh-1j9GPo-05-D8K; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqROh-1j9GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqROV-00014f-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:47:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 321727B5322; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23004-04; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE19F7B542E; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 05:45:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B3C97B535E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22343-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B6167B50ED for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 05:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1IqRMz0B5G-0004tX; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:48 +0100 Message-ID: <0936003f4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX186SuDz0nYpZgKTUq9fxnIKqV5VEPcCwyv04Kf EvnkdCbReENTG3pvq4H9lsJzXXgwS/zqec16zlrOHwRj3vMOX0 qzSCeAIwNXyvO555G9CHbNauzCA3gWX X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: >> On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message >> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: >>> On 08 Nov, Rob Hemmings (News) wrote: >>> >>>> PrintPDF is a very clever work around and a very useful way of >>>> improving a rather messy process. Please don't take any of the >>>> following as criticism of PrintPDF which I think is an excellent >>>> application. >> [snip] >>> I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that >>> could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. >> You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? > So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files to > our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? No, but this was not what you asked for above. For PDF (not PS), PrintPDF does exactly what you requested: Anything that can be printed can be saved as PDF. > Paul & Louise will be most miffed that they spent all that money and floor > space on buying a print-shop machine had they known ... ;-) Your feature request above would not have helped Paul & Louise. > Whilst you and others have done remarkable work (thanks Martin & the RS > authors) we still don't have what I need. Maybe, but your request above would not make any difference. What you want is creating PDFs for commercial printing. What you asked for was completely unrelated to that. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:57:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSM4-2ePGPo-06-CAx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:57:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSM4-2ePGPo-06-CAx; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSM4-2ePGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSM3-0006pT-No for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F0E07B4FE2; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30363-07; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF0127B4F04; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:48:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00F2B7B4FE2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30274-04 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61A657B4EB0 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3*vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.262) id 473448fa.10619.1bf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:48:10 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:48:10 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 9 Nov at 9:47 Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for > > forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps > > file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could be > changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find useful > would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", which would > be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you would not specify a > destination. Then, when printing has completed, !Printers would pop up a > save box. That should be relatively trivial to add to !Printers. > Do it with a system variable. I have, in my PS printer setup, Connection To File: In each user dir from which I might want to generate PS, I have a small Obey file containing: Set PrinterType$PS .text/ps I just double-click it when opening the directory. [snip] -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 11:57:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSQn-3H1000-03-C6E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:57:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSQn-3H1000-03-C6E; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:53:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSQn-3H1000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:53:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSQm-0006mM-FX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:53:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2C767B41E5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31167-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE0647B47EC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:53:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82F597B41E5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31080-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6237B3F9C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.49.20.172] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSPj-0001v6-Mb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:50:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you >would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, >!Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial >to add to !Printers. All this is reminiscent of the situation on Windows, there you can print to a fixed file, or you can elect to have a Save As window appear when printing is complete. All this can be done at the printer driver level, in addition applications like OPW offer a button which makes the Save As window appear for printing. >> A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the extended >> format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial printers? I believe what is on offer from the new printer driver Martin is writing is CMYK support. I don't know what other additional information he may support. To get the current results with PostScript printing, OP has to add stuff direct to the final PostScript. Off hand I can think of CMYK sprites and irregular clipping, there are other nasty things that go on. Acorn's attitude to all this was "never add anything direct to the printer output". I guess Martin has the option to formalise some of these additions, to not do anything that breaks them, or to upset the acorn cart. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSW6-3bS000-05-C0v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSW6-3bS000-05-C0v; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSW6-3bS000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSVz-0001Pc-AJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:59:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8228B7B513B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31670-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51E767B50E0; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:58:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D80E7B4A5D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31503-09 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F34037B4A00 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSVF-0007aW-Ng for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:58:25 +0000 Message-ID: <0xhVYsCNsENHFwKf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:57:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files to >our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? We discussed this a few weeks back. What we never pinned down was what the printers want. Is it specific PDF/PostScript - for example their system depends on output from Quark and anything else will go wrong. If they are as specific as that then there's not much hope. On the other hand, the PostScript which RISC OS currently produces is idiosyncratic and poses lots of problems. I'd guess it is quite possible that Martin's new PostScript driver will produce PS so much cleaner that there will be no problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSWp-4ez000-02-C0C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSWp-4ez000-02-C0C; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSWp-4ez000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSWj-0002V8-Fa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C06987B50AB; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31956-01; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F6B47B50B7; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:59:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B2F77B4AEB for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15595-01 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD7F77B4AAE for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZD-0001kv-Ur for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZD-0001kF-3a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:25:35 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:23 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 9 22:54:23 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6171 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 162 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 190 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 07 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > rar has been talked about in the past. I think I once started on a rar > module. I also once offered to co-operate in a third party rar module. > It's all a bit like the reply to your question about OP and PDF - lack > of time, lack of users... Lack of time I can understand, but many RISC OS must surely use SparkFS - the way it seamlessly integrates into the filer is outstanding, and us RISC OS users love our Filer :-) There's not really any competition for SparkFS really - if you want superior archive handling then SparkFS is the one. More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is cack or something). *bye -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSXP-1UcVbs-08-Bzc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSXP-1UcVbs-08-Bzc; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSXP-1UcVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSXK-0007Dj-Oc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:00:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E6A47B50AB; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32006-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62D6F7B4558; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:59:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0657D7B4A9A for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15516-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF32C7B3CA0 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZE-0001lR-Fv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZE-0001kF-1J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:12:11 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3ef7a400monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <47319904.4050904@ed.ac.uk> <4f3e05eb4elists-nospam@vigay.com> <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:24 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 9 22:54:24 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7716 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 339 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 191 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 08 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > That is relatively easy to answer. It will not be this year, and if it > does not happen next year it will never happen. Is there anything interested users can do to help you and John make it happen? It would solve a number of problems for many of us. Would RiScript be likely to produce superior pdfs using the postscript 3 driver? *bye -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSYX-4OCVbs-07-ByU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSYX-4OCVbs-07-ByU; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSYX-4OCVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSYW-00023a-JV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28B987B50DE; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32180-03; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E762A7B525B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57AEB7B4A83 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15516-09 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C9457B4AEF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZF-0001mG-9l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:25 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IqQZE-0001kF-Re for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:57:56 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3efbd43amonster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:54:25 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Fri Nov 9 22:54:25 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6976 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 232 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 192 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain This is a thought provoking thread - I'm glad I asked such loaded questions! re: direct .pdf output. Has anyone else found the direct .pdf output in Artworks incredibly quick (compared to Taborca), or was it merely the type of documents I was working on? Would direct output in OvPro be quicker than via postscript? If direct .pdf output from OvPro would not keep Artworks data in vector format that could be a disadvantage. re: OvPro exporting as Artworks More discussion - What if we turn it the other way around: could Artworks import OvationPro documents (and would this be 'easier')? One can edit artworks graphics via OLE in OvPro, so overall I imagine that it would be better for OvationPro to be able to export as Artworks. Could Artworks EPS export be added to OvPro on a page by page basis? Another idea - could OvationPro import AW files 'intelligently' so you could manipulate any text (and text boxes) in AW files directly in OvPro? :-) I guess I have an active imagination, but the possibility of having these two excellent apps being able to interact and exchange data more seamlessly would give such a useful design/publishing suite. It would certainly prevent the "I've started this in Artworks but OvationPro would be better at this stage" (or vice-versa). regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSZA-0aV000-06-Bxr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSZA-0aV000-06-Bxr; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSZA-0aV000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSZA-0003aV-BD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0C157B50E5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32258-04; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D7C57B51DC; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:01:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC5F07B4DB1 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24499-01 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-cgirelay02.plus.net (ptb-cgirelay02.plus.net [195.166.130.41]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E74D7B45B1 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ge0-1-0-7.ptn-gw2.plus.net ([212.159.6.51]:55836 helo=webmail.plus.net) by ptb-cgirelay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IqRak-00043l-0z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:00:02 +0000 Received: from 163.160.252.16 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tinshill+ajh) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:00:02 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:00:02 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 193 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > [snip] >> A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the >> extended >> format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial >> printers? > > I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the > term does not make any sense. [snip Unfortunately there are two common uses of the pdf name for files on RISC OS and I think there may be some confusion arising from that. I read John's question relating to printer definition files (or the PS equivalent ppd files) which define options available on the output device and allow selecting appropriate ones at print time, and which Martin and John Tytgat are reported as planning to support Anthony From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:27:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSrz-1yX000-06-Bf2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:27:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSrz-1yX000-06-Bf2; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSrz-1yX000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSry-0003Iw-N9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13DE67B5382; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01287-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD4D87B5346; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB3387B52E5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01020-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7436D7B52D5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSr8-0004zk-Ma for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > > John Cartmell wrote: > > > > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for > > > forgetful people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps > > > file with something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > > > > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could > > be changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find > > useful would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", > > which would be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you > > would not specify a destination. Then, when printing has completed, > > !Printers would pop up a save box. That should be relatively trivial > > to add to !Printers. > Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same > place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept > together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable > suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? I like Ray's idea as an option - but an improvement on the present system is needed, it's possible to overprint a ps file without appreciating what you have done: "Why is that blasted printer not working?"... -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:27:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqSs1-1yk000-06-Bf0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:27:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqSs1-1yk000-06-Bf0; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqSs1-1yk000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqSrz-00068r-C3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C42EA7B52FF; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01281-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BC777B533C; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 596947B52FF for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01037-05 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BD927B52E7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IqSrI-0004zk-NM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:21:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f07ef14john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > wrote: > > NB The current save to file from printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful > > people like myself who are always liable to overprint a ps file with > > something intended to go elsewhere! ;-( > True. The "To file" mechanism of !Printers is not very nice in that is > requires the destination to be configured first. I suppose that could be > changed in the !Printers front-end. Basically, what I would find useful > would be another radio button that says "To file (deferred)", which would > be like "To file" but without a writable field, so you would not specify a > destination. Then, when printing has completed, !Printers would pop up a > save box. That should be relatively trivial to add to !Printers. > > A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the > > extended format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial > > printers? > I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the term > does not make any sense. What we want is standard PDFs with CMYK colours. > There is a standard for that called PDF-X. Maybe this is what you meant, > but if so, then please note that PDF-X is the very opposite of an > "extended" PDF format, it is a "limited" PDF format, i.e., it eXcludes > certain things. Currently, we cannot generate PDF-X sensibly because > applications cannot print CMYK colours. With ArtWorks you can generate > files that satisfy the PDF-X constraints though ArtWorks does not have an > PDF-X option that would enforce them. I did mean pdf-X. My loose use of extended was because that is what it would be for me as (AFAIK) I use none of the aspects that are forbidden in that standard. Using it would require me to manually (or hopefully have added automatically*, which is part of what I'm leading towards) define additional features. > With minor additions to the PostScript printer driver and the overall > printing system and relatively minor updates to OvationPro that would be > possible. That would be so welcome! PDF/X-3? *Being guided to a one-time setting media box, trim box, bleed box and automatically ensuring that all fonts are embedded is the sort of thing I'm meaning. Producing pdfs (for me) is always done under pressure of time and the fewer variables to go wrong at that stage - the better. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 12:47:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqTDg-13m000-04-BJL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:47:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqTDg-13m000-04-BJL; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqTDg-13m000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqTDf-0005sO-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:44:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72D907B4A2B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03724-03; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EA7D7B4AA8; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97FED7B4A2B for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03594-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36ABD7B487E for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1IqTCx44K7-0001u7; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:43:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:43:15 +0100 Message-ID: <01f70a3f4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DXsMzvrNcn/pYgG6mUFGvfS8XEgDwj19GU1K VBbHgsaYMi5aaig16HmAZ5C+32NcwFsg5Stpw6oW4ISQQ/AX00 3iFy6gd3Wr2HpjMMp/MY2lk3FJqY1jm X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <16554.163.160.252.16.1194606002.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> ajh@tinshill.force9.co.uk wrote: >> In message <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> >> John Cartmell wrote: >> > [snip] >>> A question for David/Martin: is there any possibility of having the >>> extended >>> format pdfs that would help with producing files for commercial >>> printers? >> >> I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the >> term does not make any sense. > [snip > Unfortunately there are two common uses of the pdf name for files on RISC > OS and I think there may be some confusion arising from that. True, but not in this thread which is all about Adobe PDF and in which nobody has referred to printer definition files so far. See John's reply - he was referring to Adobe PDF. > I read John's question relating to printer definition files (or the PS > equivalent ppd files) which define options available on the output device > and allow selecting appropriate ones at print time, and which Martin and > John Tytgat are reported as planning to support > Support for PPD files is an entirely different story. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 13:07:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqTVX-2EL000-04-B1U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:07:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqTVX-2EL000-04-B1U; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqTVX-2EL000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqTVX-0006vZ-Hu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE8217B4DB2; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06594-06; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80F247B5053; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2FBF7B4DB2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06449-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 765E37B4D89 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id lA9D1pOM017327 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:01:56 GMT In-Reply-To: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:03:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is > cack or something). > WinZip costs money .rar is free. To be fair, there are free applications that produce .zip files, but they usually support .rar as well. The rar format is open and free and can be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 13:17:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqTgi-0BnVbs-02-AqJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:17:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqTgi-0BnVbs-02-AqJ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqTgi-0BnVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqTgh-0004ky-G3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 672E27B5329; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08373-02; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BBD97B53C1; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DACBF7B534D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08160-03 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 972187B5347 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1IqTfw-0006sb-S7 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:13:32 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Spark FS 1.41b ? Received: from 220.108.128.68 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:13:32 +0000 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: <6IF0CPg9.1194614012.8532650.plattir@gol.com> In-Reply-To: <4f3e9b3b59chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:13:32 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11/8/2007, "Chris Johnson" wrote: >In article , > Ian Platt wrote: > >> Is anyone else having problems gwtting Spark FS 1.41b? > >> The downloaded compressed file says sfs141 and it says the same on >> the iconbar, i.e. no 'b'. > >For crying out loud! - The following was posted on Mon 5th Nov by >David P in a thread 'SparkFS 1.41b'. > Thanks for that, and apologies to all, esp. David. Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 16:51:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqUfQ-2AHknw-04-9rb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:51:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqUfQ-2AHknw-04-9rb; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqUfQ-2AHknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqUfQ-0004di-1D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71D147B5391; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18540-06; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44BA17B5318; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:16:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ED7D7B53AA for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18439-01 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 192637B52BC for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IqUej-0005dZ-0f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:16:21 +0000 Received: from [213.48.114.106] (helo=localhost.com.) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IqUeg-0002fZ-TD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:16:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:17:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f139d11Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: [Snip] > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. It would make sense to > have a single printer icon on the icon bar that, when chosen and > printing activated, a save as ps / save as pdf window popped up with > the choice to drag to a directory. NB The current save to file from > printers is unsatisfactory for forgetful people like myself who are > always liable to overprint a ps file with something intended to go > elsewhere! ;-( PrintSpool will warn if you try to print over an existing file if configured to do so. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 19:01:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqYyR-0T3knw-04-E56.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:01:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqYyR-0T3knw-04-E56; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqYyR-0T3knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqYyN-0003fH-Ck for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:52:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63C3D7B4D6B; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30864-07; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 386DB7B4847; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6548F7B5E1F for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30251-04 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E79EF7B5E1A for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 643999388-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.208.53 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFs7NEdYadA1/2dsb2JhbACBWw Received: from 88-105-208-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.208.53]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2007 18:51:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3f2a9f03dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> References: <473023A9.7000607@ed.ac.uk> <4f3d70825amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is > cack or something). > *bye It could possibly be, because Corel bought WinZip a while back, and whatever Corel buy, up turns into a lot of Poo. Witness the recent Corel releases of PSP. (X, XI, and X2) Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 19:01:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqYya-2rMknw-06-E4x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 19:01:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqYya-2rMknw-06-E4x; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqYya-2rMknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqYyS-0005V1-J5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 612747B48C5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30871-06; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 337D17B4847; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:51:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E3B7B5D75 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30222-08 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 998FB7B5E5F for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 643999391-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.208.53 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAFs7NEdYadA1/2dsb2JhbACBW451 Received: from 88-105-208-53.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.208.53]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2007 18:51:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:32:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: <4f3f2aebafdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3ef35fd8monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , wrote: > > More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip > > is cack or something). > > > WinZip costs money .rar is free. > To be fair, there are free applications that produce .zip files, but they > usually support .rar as well. The rar format is open and free and can > be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. > Andy Ling It also seems a lot more prone to throwing corrupted archives, .rar that is. I've had more corrupt/trouble with archives when they are rar than I've ever had with .Zip downloads. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 20:01:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iqa16-3IQ000-08-D2R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:01:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iqa16-3IQ000-08-D2R; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iqa16-3IQ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iqa16-0007Qf-Ie for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 002D87B52D7; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07005-09; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD4347B5431; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89BF77B52D7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06848-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 315857B4BD3 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.204]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1Iqa0P0PnD-00068E; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:59:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:59:00 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+vpkMBRYN8sICVxlmIevhtrEk8jy2XwcTPpx5 zHyuqgQPHOqqsmEX1RellhUDWhtAqWu24ymF26gu3tulaWetYg yFIuxlLFnUUYnU7+d2JB6nLUl8u2hYN X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: >> More windows people are sending me .rar files (must be because WinZip is >> cack or something). > > WinZip costs money .rar is free. Who cares about WinZip nowadays? Windows has built-in .zip support so every user can create and open .zip files, whereas you need to install additional software in order to handle .rar files. > To be fair, there are free applications that produce .zip files > but they usually support .rar as well. The rar format is open and free >From what I read the exact opposite is true: The .rar format is proprietory and the compression algorithm is not even published. Only the decompression algorithm is published and there is an open source implementation for it that can be used by third parties. So, that makes .rar a lot less open and less free than .zip. > and can be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. Personally, I have yet to encounter a single .rar file. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 21:11:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iqb1o-23RGPo-02-C1j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:11:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iqb1o-23RGPo-02-C1j; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iqb1o-23RGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iqb1n-0000zS-C6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9626D7B5472; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14427-08; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69D2A7B53E3; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 354157B5472 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14220-10 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53F367B54F2 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109210341.DRK25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:03:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (really [81.100.182.47]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071109210340.UPYL26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.101]> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:03:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:59:14 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41b Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > From what I read the exact opposite is true: The .rar format is > proprietory and the compression algorithm is not even published. Only > the decompression algorithm is published and there is an open source > implementation for it that can be used by third parties. > > So, that makes .rar a lot less open and less free than .zip. I use 7-zip to decompress .rar files, which is free and available from http://www.7-zip.org/register.html > > and can be more efficient, so I guess it is becoming more widespread. > > Personally, I have yet to encounter a single .rar file. One advantage of 'rar over .zip is that it can split large files into several small ones and, as long as they are in the same folder, they behave as one big file. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 9 22:11:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iqc3n-0MIVbs-07-Azk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:11:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iqc3n-0MIVbs-07-Azk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iqc3n-0MIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iqc3Y-0000qm-TE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD3F17B5291; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23309-10; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF2A27B53D8; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:09:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8247C7B5291 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23218-02 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BBAF7B54F7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-165-3.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.165.3]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF852DFD58 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 22:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:08:41 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <37bb3e3f4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 9 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > On 09 Nov, Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > On 8 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message > > <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > > > > I'd much prefer something built into the OS such that anything that > > > could be printed could be saved as ps or pdf. > > > You already have this, though; why re-invent the wheel? > > So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant > files to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? No, but that wasn't what you asked for, was it? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 12:29:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqpQz-0KoGPo-07-Efa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:29:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqpQz-0KoGPo-07-Efa; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqpQz-0KoGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqpQz-0007Ie-6V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 381087B57EB; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09238-05; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 013797B552B; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 844367B51BB for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08965-07 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EBAE7B4E99 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqpQG-000PJ1-Fp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:26:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:31:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f883bf7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0xhVYsCNsENHFwKf@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <0xhVYsCNsENHFwKf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes > >So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files > >to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? > We discussed this a few weeks back. What we never pinned down was what the > printers want. > Is it specific PDF/PostScript - for example their system depends on output > from Quark and anything else will go wrong. If they are as specific as > that then there's not much hope. It doesn't depend on Quark - but if it's produced in Quark or Indesign then they can tell you what settings they use to get it 'exactly as required'. They have accepted pdfs produced by RiScript - but I certainly wouldn't like to rely on that for anything other than a very standard magazine. ie OK if I use a small set of fonts and images produced in a standard way - but not if you regularly use different fonts (to illustrate dtp ideas) or have a large number of images sourced from an ever changing variety of contributors. OK for a parish magazine but not for something like Qercus. > On the other hand, the PostScript which RISC OS currently produces is > idiosyncratic and poses lots of problems. I'd guess it is quite possible > that Martin's new PostScript driver will produce PS so much cleaner that > there will be no problem. I'm hopeful of improvements with a cleaner PS driver. In the meantime I've got myself a Mac and will be experimenting with producing pdfs from there (from RISC OS PS output but without going to the extent of using Indesign) alongside RiScript output and what we know works OK* which is RISC OS PS routed through Indesign. I want to see an end result which allows 100% to (commercial printers guaranteed acceptable) pdf creation on RISC OS. And hopefully an improved !Printers interface at the same time. *Except when the printers updated their software and our 100% Mac sourced pages didn't work (and the RISC OS pages did!) ;-) -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 12:29:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqpQz-2DcVbs-08-Efa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:29:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqpQz-2DcVbs-08-Efa; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqpQz-2DcVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqpQz-0004j7-5M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 305C07B573F; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09218-09; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 013397B551F; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 909247B54CF for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08999-02 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 609297B5194 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IqpQI-000PJ1-Dc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:26:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:37:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f3f88c6a8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3efbd43amonster@caverock.net.nz> References: <38600a3e4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f3efbd43amonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 09 Nov, Robert Greenfield wrote: > I guess I have an active imagination, but the possibility of having these > two excellent apps being able to interact and exchange data more > seamlessly would give such a useful design/publishing suite. > It would certainly prevent the "I've started this in Artworks but > OvationPro would be better at this stage" (or vice-versa). If we're going down that road I'd love to see the possibility of taking a page produced in Ovation Pro and dropping it as a vector graphics page in a frame within another page (ie at a smaller scale). -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 13:39:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IqqRI-1rfknw-03-DfH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:39:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IqqRI-1rfknw-03-DfH; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:31:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IqqRI-1rfknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:31:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IqqRI-00010L-J3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:31:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EDCA7B4FA9; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17805-05; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCB547B4F55; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E95A67B4FA9 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17576-07 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from guri.is.scarlet.be (guri.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BC7F7B4FBD for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from (ip-81-11-162-143.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.162.143]) by guri.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id lAADVA027515 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:31:10 +0100 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:35:38 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message you wrote: > I do not think anyone ever mentioned "extended format PDFs" and the > term does not make any sense. What we want is standard PDFs with CMYK > colours. There is a standard for that called PDF-X. Maybe this is what > you meant, but if so, then please note that PDF-X is the very opposite > of an "extended" PDF format, it is a "limited" PDF format, i.e., it > eXcludes certain things. Currently, we cannot generate PDF-X sensibly > because applications cannot print CMYK colours. With ArtWorks you can > generate files that satisfy the PDF-X constraints though ArtWorks does > not have an PDF-X option that would enforce them. Just to clarify this a bit more: I assume we're talking here about PDF/X-1a. The PDF/X-3 allows colorcalibrated device independant colorspaces like e.g. RGB tagged with an ICC profile. RGB generation with RISC OS is not a problem but having it tagged with a sensible profile probably requires some sledgehammer approach as RISC OS does not have any knowledge about profiles so one could just assume the RISC OS RGB data is always e.g. sRGB and tag it accordingly in the PDF/X-3 file. is a very informative. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 10 17:49:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IquLl-1QIGPo-01-9ko.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:49:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IquLl-1QIGPo-01-9ko; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IquLl-1QIGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IquLj-0002vi-QC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:42:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5140F7B524A; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23290-03; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21E2A7B545E; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C42E7B524A for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23099-09 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 434B47B522E for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.7.241.59] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IquL0-0000cI-W1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:41:43 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:41:41 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f3f883bf7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 10/11/07 11:31 am, "John Cartmell" wrote: > On 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4f3ef60234john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell >> writes >>> So I just load the pdf pdf (!) from Printers and send the resultant files >>> to our commercial printers with a guaranteed result? > >> We discussed this a few weeks back. What we never pinned down was what the >> printers want. > >> Is it specific PDF/PostScript - for example their system depends on output >> from Quark and anything else will go wrong. If they are as specific as >> that then there's not much hope. > > It doesn't depend on Quark - but if it's produced in Quark or Indesign then > they can tell you what settings they use to get it 'exactly as required'. They > have accepted pdfs produced by RiScript - but I certainly wouldn't like to > rely on that for anything other than a very standard magazine. ie OK if I use > a small set of fonts and images produced in a standard way - but not if you > regularly use different fonts (to illustrate dtp ideas) or have a large number > of images sourced from an ever changing variety of contributors. OK for a > parish magazine but not for something like Qercus. > >> On the other hand, the PostScript which RISC OS currently produces is >> idiosyncratic and poses lots of problems. I'd guess it is quite possible >> that Martin's new PostScript driver will produce PS so much cleaner that >> there will be no problem. > > I'm hopeful of improvements with a cleaner PS driver. In the meantime I've got > myself a Mac and will be experimenting with producing pdfs from there (from > RISC OS PS output but without going to the extent of using Indesign) alongside > RiScript output and what we know works OK* which is RISC OS PS routed through > Indesign. > > I want to see an end result which allows 100% to (commercial printers > guaranteed acceptable) pdf creation on RISC OS. And hopefully an improved > !Printers interface at the same time. > > *Except when the printers updated their software and our 100% Mac sourced > pages didn't work (and the RISC OS pages did!) ;-) I have read the messages in this thread with interest. First, there is no guaranteed route for producing PDF files, even if all work is produced on a Mac. Whether Quark or InDesign are used their files can contain a variety of other formats such as .psd, .ai (Illustrator), EPS and others, and both images and fonts must be correctly embedded. However, over a good many years now I have worked with files produced in Ovation and Impression to generate PostScript files which I have then exported to a Mac and converted to PDF using Acrobat Distiller. That has generally worked very well. However, printers are using commercial software from a variety of sources for imposition, RGB to CMYK conversion and separation and are therefore dependent upon that software having implemented all PDF features and carrying out these processes in a proper way. In the early days of automated plate systems problems would often arise, but have now largely disappeared. When it comes to PostScript files generated under RISC OS the main issues I encountered were due to Acorn's implementation of greyscale images, and trying to handle CMYK images in Ovation or Impression. I could always get round any problems by exporting problem images to the Mac and resaving from Photoshop in EPS format, then re-exporting back to RISC OS and importing the EPS file in place of the original image. If the EPS file has a TIFF preview then even that is visible in Ovation or Impression (but only Impression Publisher+ will handle EPS files I believe). These days it seems the software used by printers will adequately convert RGB to CMYK so there is less of a problem in trying to handle CMYK images at source. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 14 17:51:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsMJS-3Meknw-03-DYn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:51:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsMJS-3Meknw-03-DYn; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsMJS-3Meknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsMJO-0001rQ-8B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:46:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D49E7B9368; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00975-10; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08E087B9990; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A7CE7B9368 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00854-06 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B7E7B933D for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IsMId-0007k4-CB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:45:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:43:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] icnclipbrd 0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, Does anyone have any comments on using icnclipbrd? My experience on the Iyonix is that only the first letter of what is on the clipboard is pasted. I'm interested because there is a situation which ties OP in knots and I'm trying to discover if it is a bug in OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 14 19:01:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsNRs-2UnVbs-01-CQN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:01:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsNRs-2UnVbs-01-CQN; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsNRs-2UnVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsNRq-0000AU-BS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 016C17BA48E; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11773-10; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCEBE7BA462; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C63D47B9951 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11648-05 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EBD77B76A5 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAEIvPHH025864 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:57:37 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:56:30 GMT Message-ID: <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 14 Nov 2007 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have any comments on using icnclipbrd? > My experience on the Iyonix is that only the first letter of what is on > the clipboard is pasted. > I'm interested because there is a situation which ties OP in knots and > I'm trying to discover if it is a bug in OP. Just tried it here, and it seems to past everything from IcnClipbrd. However, there seems to be then no way of purging the clipboard; if I try to save and paste anything else, I still got what I originally saved and pasted. Is there a "purge clipboard" facility anywhere? Can't find it in the manual. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 12:18:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsdZu-3jb000-05-DLN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:18:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsdZu-3jb000-05-DLN; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsdZu-3jb000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsdZt-0004jn-Sx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:12:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C3027B8F25; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18997-06; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 134507B9123; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 052477BA468 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21099-04 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEF957B92B3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl82-163-39-24.as15444.net [82.163.39.24]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAF7dQrT003970 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:39:32 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:40:32 GMT Message-ID: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 211 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the error 'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process' The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT I am not aware of what this does and an old back up using different software does not seem to have this file. There is also an NTUSER.DAT.LOG and an NTUSER.INI. Thes files appear to be present in both users of the machines areas, and in Documents and settings\Local services and Documents and Settings\Network Services. NTUSER.DAT.LOG varies in size depending on what you are doing. Is this a Virus? Norton 360 does not seem to think so on a quick scan. If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 12:38:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Isdqt-09zknw-05-D4O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:38:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Isdqt-09zknw-05-D4O; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Isdqt-09zknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Isdqt-0004Ey-99 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17CF87BA393; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20702-01; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 981F87B9ACD; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5202B7B9AE3 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20457-10 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 166D57B9803 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Isdq9-00038j-OO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:29:02 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:26:25 GMT Message-ID: <6f7020424f.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35S) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> Adrian Crafer wrote: > I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the > error > 'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by > another process' > The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT > I am not aware of what this does and an old back up using different > software does not seem to have this file. > There is also an NTUSER.DAT.LOG and an NTUSER.INI. > Thes files appear to be present in both users of the machines areas, > and in Documents and settings\Local services and Documents and > Settings\Network Services. > NTUSER.DAT.LOG varies in size depending on what you are doing. > Is this a Virus? Norton 360 does not seem to think so on a quick scan. > If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks Firstly its not a Virus. DO NOT REMOVE it under any circumstances, unless you want a broken computer!! It is connected with the Windows Registry. Some processes will lock the file because they are updating or doing something with the registry (this can include some anti-virus programs). Do a Google on NTUSER.DAT and you will get lots and lots of info. > Adrian Crafer -- Chris Hughes From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 12:38:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Isdu8-46Qknw-07-D19.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:38:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Isdu8-46Qknw-07-D19; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Isdu8-46Qknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Isdu7-00015b-NX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F0AC7BA016; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21008-07; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06CEA7BA81B; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 894A67BA016 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20899-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55D507B9EA2 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IsdtR-0005oj-P5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:32:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:31:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>, Adrian Crafer writes >I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the >error > >'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by >another process' > >The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT A quick Google produced: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070220023440AAPuo2f which explains what it is. >If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks The file is part of Windows. I'd say just don't back it up with SyncDiscs. Choose a smaller collection of files to back up in other words. I don't expect SyncDiscs to be able to back up the Windows operating system, as opposed to user data on Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 16:08:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ish8C-4Ii000-07-9n5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:08:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ish8C-4Ii000-07-9n5; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:59:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ish8C-4Ii000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:59:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ish86-0007VP-JF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:59:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A0777BB541; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15266-08; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2ED867BB538; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:59:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C598D7BB12D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06004-10 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 779A47B9A0D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl82-163-39-24.as15444.net [82.163.39.24]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAFEkaFN006471 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:46:37 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:48:48 GMT Message-ID: <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 214 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] >>The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT > A quick Google produced: > http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070220023440AAPuo2f > which explains what it is. >>If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks > The file is part of Windows. I'd say just don't back it up with > SyncDiscs. Choose a smaller collection of files to back up in other > words. > I don't expect SyncDiscs to be able to back up the Windows operating > system, as opposed to user data on Windows. Thanks for the informative replies. I am not sure why it worked before, I was copying Documents and Settings to get the maximum backup. The NTUSER.DAT file was copied for the default user but not for the other users, presumably for some reason the last time everything else copied first and it bombed out with ntuser at the end and I did not notice. Out of passing interest, this all arose because I have never been able to get Norton 360 to do a back up to my network drive, a Seagate in a Maplin box. unfortunately only accessable by FTP from my Risc machines. The reason Norton help desk gave for their product not working, was possibly because it was not a branded box but more likely because you cannot copy files on a NTFS filing system to a FAT32 one. Since you can back up to CD and there online storage which is presumably not running NTFS that last diagnosis has no merit. I will obviously go else where for advice to avoid be told off for off topic items here. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 16:18:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IshH6-47Uknw-06-9eB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:18:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IshH6-47Uknw-06-9eB; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IshH6-47Uknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IshH6-0002Fn-6K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD4147B882E; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16882-10; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 745237BA85D; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61B707B882E for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16814-02 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.global.net.uk (smtp3.global.net.uk [80.189.92.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF667B8298 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 30.38.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com ([91.125.38.30] helo=iyonix.cjjohnson.care4free.net) by smtp3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IshGO-000Inl-SB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:08:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Cyril Johnson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:31 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cjjohnson@care4free.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Greetings! I have encountered the "Missing Info Pallette" bug when using the Risc OS version of Ovation Pro on the Iyonix. A look though the archives confirmed that this was a bug, but I couldnot find what to do about it. Can anyone help? Best wishes, CJJ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 16:18:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IshI4-0Nbknw-07-9dD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:18:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IshI4-0Nbknw-07-9dD; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IshI4-0Nbknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IshI4-00049Q-87 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D779D7BA562; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17142-02; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A33187BB0F2; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADEA77BA562 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16987-01 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D7EF7B872D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAFG8wXd007684 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:07 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] OPW; document initial size. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:07 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 19:28:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IskIL-0K0000-04-F9S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IskIL-0K0000-04-F9S; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:22:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IskIL-0K0000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:22:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IskIC-0001cq-Dq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:22:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714A67BBCCC; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15564-07; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 440427BBCCA; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D7687B8B4A for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15418-04 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D40497BB806 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IskHJ-000OyH-0u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:20:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Dr Peter Young writes >Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen >rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the >moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. Ah but have you read the mail list archives... I quoth: What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be used for future document windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 19:38:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IskPu-0eQ000-04-F1t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:38:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IskPu-0eQ000-04-F1t; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IskPu-0eQ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IskPt-00012z-Ra for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:30:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BA5B7BBEB3; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17464-03; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0CB77BBE73; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 778847BBEE6 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17279-01 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED03C7BBE86 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IskP8-0006L9-O3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:29:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 References: <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <1351c0414f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >Just tried it here, and it seems to past everything from IcnClipbrd. >However, there seems to be then no way of purging the clipboard; if I >try to save and paste anything else, I still got what I originally >saved and pasted. Is there a "purge clipboard" facility anywhere? >Can't find it in the manual. I wonder why icnclipbrd doesn't work on my Iyonix? There are problems I know with using it with OP, they may well be bugs in OP. What worries me is why icnclipbrd does not work for me when it and Edit are the only things that have been run since the Iyonix was turned on. I can't recall how to clear the clipboard. ISTR if it was a problem with using too much memory then one just copies something small. If you want to see things go wrong on OP, this is how to do it: (1) Copy of Ovation Pro with global clipboard support turned on (2) In OP mark some text and copy it to the clipboard (3) Open the F4 Find window in Edit and Ctrl V - paste. The text appears as expected (4) Back at OP, open the save document box, drag the save icon to a filer window. (5) The contents of the clipboard are appended to the filename - the save does not take place and the save box does not vanish. If between steps 3 and 4 you change the clipboard contents, the former contents are what appear in step 5. It seems to me that icnclipbrd is really useful - so why aren't more people worried about these problems. Maybe the functionality is built into Select/Adjust. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 19:58:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iskq2-4FB000-06-Ebl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:58:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iskq2-4FB000-06-Ebl; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iskq2-4FB000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iskpy-0000Q9-Cs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95F3A7BC126; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21755-04; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 685FF7BC1F8; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1162F7BC126 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-02 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A80227BC15B for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:52:49 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 635469673-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.214.27 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAG0yPEdYadYb/2dsb2JhbACBXA Received: from 88-105-214-27.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.214.27]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2007 19:52:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:50:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. Message-ID: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Dr Peter Young > writes > >Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen > >rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the > >moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. > Ah but have you read the mail list archives... > I quoth: > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > used for future document windows. Snaggy poos Mr P. That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though it does work on the Win versions. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 21:28:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ism8O-2geVbs-01-DJP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:28:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ism8O-2geVbs-01-DJP; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ism8O-2geVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ism8O-0005nE-9a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:20:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE93D7BBC19; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01205-09; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 814737BBC70; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A70897BBC19 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01119-02 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpsmtp-eml17.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml17.kpnxchange.com [213.75.38.117]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53FAD7BBC14 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtp-eml108.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.108]) by hpsmtp-eml17.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:19:39 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by cpsmtp-eml108.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:19:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:20:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 Message-ID: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2007 21:19:39.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B56EAB0:01C827CD] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dear David, The bug that you described in 5 steps, can be reproduced here indeed. However, this is only true for IcnClipBrd version 0.12. I've also tried both versions 0.09 and 0.07 - and both behaved normally. Am I being too daredevilish when accusing the module for this bug? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 21:38:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsmHT-3iLknw-06-DAK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:38:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsmHT-3iLknw-06-DAK; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsmHT-3iLknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsmHQ-0006nK-Oz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 305957BBD75; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02392-03; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8DEE7BBC63; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D69807BBCB9 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02100-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.128]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F4C87BBCB8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2A5CF1C0008D for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:29:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5441515c.l5.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.81.92]) by mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 720131C0008C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:28:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071115212858467.720131C0008C@mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:28:54 GMT Message-ID: References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> Adrian Crafer wrote: > I have a problem with sync discs running on my PC. It now produces the > error > 'The process cannot access the file because it is being used by > another process' > The file being referenced is NTUSER.DAT > I am not aware of what this does and an old back up using different > software does not seem to have this file. > There is also an NTUSER.DAT.LOG and an NTUSER.INI. > Thes files appear to be present in both users of the machines areas, > and in Documents and settings\Local services and Documents and > Settings\Network Services. > NTUSER.DAT.LOG varies in size depending on what you are doing. > Is this a Virus? Norton 360 does not seem to think so on a quick scan. > If it is legitimate how do I get syncdiscs to work thanks It's a significant part of the Registry, specifically of the HKeyCurrentUser part. Don't mess with it. I'm not sure why it is open, but backing it up is fairly pointless. You need a registry backup to recover it. Can you exclude it from SyncDiscs? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsmmI-26B000-05-CfV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsmmI-26B000-05-CfV; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsmmI-26B000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsmmF-0000RZ-Dr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36AD27BC266; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07483-05; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3CE87BC2EF; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A94D07BC266 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06993-04 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 484957BC21C for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IsmlS-0006Kf-O5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:59:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. References: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 222 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Snaggy poos Mr P. >That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though it does >work on the Win versions. The question was about Ovation Pro for Windows. On the RISC OS version just edit the templates file - adjust the main window template to the size you want. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ismmx-33F000-08-Ceq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ismmx-33F000-08-Ceq; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ismmx-33F000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ismms-0006PM-Lz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FCB87BC339; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07710-07; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F5127BC2A6; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 953F07BC2F7 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07526-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A91D27BC248 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ismm6-000Iym-9U for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:01:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:00:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Alan Adams writes >Can you exclude it from SyncDiscs? I was going to say, many versions of SyncDiscs support "zones" which allow you to specify things not to sync. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ismot-3gmVbs-03-Ccu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ismot-3gmVbs-03-Ccu; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ismot-3gmVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ismor-0006uF-JG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C5D7BC34F; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08091-05; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCE0F7BC2C5; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9306A7BC34F for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07936-10 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C356E7BC2FA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ismo4-000JQh-85 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:03:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:02:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 References: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >I've also tried both versions 0.09 and 0.07 - and both behaved normally. Interesting >Am I being too daredevilish when accusing the module for this bug? I've too many bugs to my credit to go blaming others. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 15 22:08:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ismqk-01xGPo-02-Cb3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:08:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ismqk-01xGPo-02-Cb3; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:06:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ismqk-01xGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:06:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ismqf-0000yD-Bh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:06:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A43F7B83C3; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08428-06; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D30F7BA40D; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF0217BC3AE for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08183-08 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B8B67BC3B8 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IsmpM-0000fL-Pa for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:04:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:03:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Cyril Johnson writes >Greetings! >I have encountered the "Missing Info Pallette" bug when using the Risc >OS version of Ovation Pro on the Iyonix. A look though the archives >confirmed that this was a bug, but I couldnot find what to do about >it. People seem to have managed with the advice offered in the past. Use OP choices and toggle the "attach" setting. Between settings move the info palette with the mouse. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:47:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Isp4x-1ccVbs-07-AMq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:47:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Isp4x-1ccVbs-07-AMq; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:29:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Isp4x-1ccVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:29:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Isp4w-0002Ep-3I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E83097BC088; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29286-01; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B98717BC018; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C4F77BBFBA for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28949-05 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09E127BBFD9 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (81-6-227-85.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.227.85]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AA92DF72A for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:28:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:20:44 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 Message-ID: <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 226 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 15 Nov, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers > writes > > > I've also tried both versions 0.09 and 0.07 - and both behaved > > normally. > > Interesting In which case the most likely problem is something to do with RAM transfers, as these were re-enabled in IcnClipBrd after version 0.09. Prior to that, IcnClipBrd would have asked O-Pro to send data via Wimp$Scrap. The fault could easily lie on either side: the RAM XFer code in IcnClipBrd had been commented out since I took over the module, and -- although I've gone through it all carefully and tested it as much as possible -- there's a possibility that it was disabled for a reason. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:48:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IswUQ-2PtGPo-02-BTt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IswUQ-2PtGPo-02-BTt; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:23:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IswUQ-2PtGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:23:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IswUQ-0002yJ-1S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:23:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DB3E7BAF5B; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15344-03; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D86047BB13A; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 160CB7BAF5B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15268-02 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEC9B7BAF0E for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:23:06 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 635630051-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.249.165 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FADPiPEdYafml/2dsb2JhbACBXw Received: from 88-105-249-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.249.165]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2007 08:23:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. Message-ID: <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >Snaggy poos Mr P. > >That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though it does > >work on the Win versions. > The question was about Ovation Pro for Windows. On the RISC OS version > just edit the templates file - adjust the main window template to the > size you want. Ah so! I didn't realise the Q was about the Win version, 'solly' pardon 'mista Plng'! Editing the templates file "Main" is the way I've been doing it on the RO version. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:48:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IswVY-0VBVbs-04-BSl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IswVY-0VBVbs-04-BSl; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:25:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IswVY-0VBVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:25:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IswVY-0004V9-3F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:25:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83AE37BAFD5; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15472-02; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 574237BB001; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 568BA7BAFD5 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15344-06 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BA787BB085 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAG8Nudg021511 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:23:57 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:13:18 GMT Message-ID: <0d1a8d424f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 15 Nov 2007 David Pilling wrote: > In message , Dr Peter Young > writes >>Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen >>rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the >>moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. > Ah but have you read the mail list archives... Curses; my sin is found out. > I quoth: > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > used for future document windows. Many thanks, and I'll do that later. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:48:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsyK7-0vPknw-03-9eC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsyK7-0vPknw-03-9eC; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:21:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsyK7-0vPknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:21:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsyK7-0007AP-4m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:21:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BED37BC3FF; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27104-06; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F0407BC46B; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 616667BC3FF for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26966-08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.global.net.uk (smtp2.global.net.uk [80.189.94.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AA637BC3FE for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 30.38.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com ([91.125.38.30] helo=iyonix.cjjohnson.care4free.net) by smtp2.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IsyJQ-0005BT-Gi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:20:36 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Missing info palette To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Cyril Johnson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:50 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Authenticated-Sender: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cjjohnson@care4free.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Sorry about sending the reply to the wrong place - I am new to this mailing list business > Thank you for the reply about the missing info palette. > I have checked that both "view >options > info palette" and "Choices > > view > attach info palettte" are ticked on, and tried toggling the > Choices option on and off. > The info palette refuses to apear whatever I do. > When I click on the OP icon, the new blank has the info palette in > place where it should be. It seems to be just this particluar OP > document which has gone wrong Best wishes, CJJ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:48:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IsyPc-1sIGPo-07-9Yh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IsyPc-1sIGPo-07-9Yh; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:27:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IsyPc-1sIGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:27:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IsyPc-0005FI-5E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:27:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92F6F7BC43A; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27751-04; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 642AD7BC437; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1B6A7BC459 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27664-02 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DA277BC415 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=standalone) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IsyOv-000PdP-7e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:26:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:24:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version Message-ID: <4f42992748badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>, Adrian Crafer wrote: > Thanks for the informative replies. > I am not sure why it worked before, I was copying Documents and > Settings to get the maximum backup. Did you change the filer window settings to show hidden files? When set not show hidden files, copy/move operations ignore hidden files (though there is a warning message about this when copying/moving folders containing hidden items - probably not shown by SyncDiscs.) HTH Richard -- Richard Brock From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:48:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Isz4P-3Ou000-04-8tu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Isz4P-3Ou000-04-8tu; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:09:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Isz4P-3Ou000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:09:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Isz4N-0005GS-Rj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:09:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45B8A7BBA2A; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31917-09; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EDE57B92BD; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0177BBA2A for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31849-02 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68EFC7BB409 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Isz3g-0007n8-Ar for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:08:24 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Isz3c-0005bU-Ax for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:08:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. Message-ID: <4f429d1b45john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 231 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > > writes > > >Snaggy poos Mr P. > > >That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though > > >it does work on the Win versions. > > > > The question was about Ovation Pro for Windows. On the RISC OS > > version just edit the templates file - adjust the main window > > template to the size you want. > > Ah so! I didn't realise the Q was about the Win version, 'solly' > pardon 'mista Plng'! So who's been watching old James Bond movies recently...? > Editing the templates file "Main" is the way I've been doing it on > the RO version. On the basis of this thread, I did the same, but found it made no difference. Then I realised that there is probably /another/ Templates file inside !OvnResDir within the !OvnPro directory. There was; and editing that file's "main" template did the trick. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:48:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iszd7-2MnVbs-03-Gri.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:48:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iszd7-2MnVbs-03-Gri; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:45:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iszd7-2MnVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:45:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iszd4-00046A-0j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:45:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D363F7BB047; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02808-09; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7FFE7BB143; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE837BB047 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02502-08 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 742F87BB009 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAGBi2cA024176 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:44:03 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:44:04 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 15 Nov 2007 David Pilling wrote: > In message , Dr Peter Young > writes >>Is there a way in OPW to have a document always open full-screen >>rather than in a fairly small window, as is happening for me at the >>moment? I promise I have RTFM, and have not been enlightened. > Ah but have you read the mail list archives... > I quoth: > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > used for future document windows. Well, well! I've just got round to trying the above, and, behold, all documents are now opening full-screen. I don't think I did a "save choices", but I did save the default document at full-screen size, and that has apparently worked today but didn't seem to work yesterday. Is that possible, or have I just had another senile moment? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:49:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1It2kV-40Jknw-03-DkK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:49:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1It2kV-40Jknw-03-DkK; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:04:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1It2kV-40Jknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:04:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1It2kM-00071B-R4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:04:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43AF47BCC44; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00666-10; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E0CB7BCC24; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FD677BCB5E for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00548-07 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9087F7BCBB1 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071116150350.PZCF26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:03:50 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071116150349.CLDM29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:03:49 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:34:07 GMT Message-ID: <927c9f424f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f429d1b45john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4f429d1b45john@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 233 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f429d1b45john@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> In article <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk>, >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes >>> writes >>>>Snaggy poos Mr P. >>>>That has never worked here on the RO versions of OvPro, though >>>>it does work on the Win versions. >>> >>> The question was about Ovation Pro for Windows. On the RISC OS >>> version just edit the templates file - adjust the main window >>> template to the size you want. >> >> Ah so! I didn't realise the Q was about the Win version, 'solly' >> pardon 'mista Plng'! > So who's been watching old James Bond movies recently...? >> Editing the templates file "Main" is the way I've been doing it on >> the RO version. > On the basis of this thread, I did the same, but found it made no > difference. Then I realised that there is probably /another/ Templates > file inside !OvnResDir within the !OvnPro directory. There was; and > editing that file's "main" template did the trick. Cor John, I looked at that file and found it way beyond me. How on earth do you edit that??? Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 17:49:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1It3s7-3mJknw-04-Cci.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:49:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1It3s7-3mJknw-04-Cci; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:16:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1It3s7-3mJknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:16:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1It3s2-0006Nb-If for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:16:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D16E27BC73B; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13339-04; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C6E47BCB19; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D65F7BC73B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13027-01 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FE9F7BC6E3 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1It3qE-0006no-BW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:14:50 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1It3qB-0008S0-Qg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:14:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:14:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW; document initial size. Message-ID: <4f42b92321john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <927c9f424f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4f42491cb6dfs@ukgateway.net> <44hGa4EFFMPHFw79@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net> <4f429d1b45john@acornusers.org> <927c9f424f.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 234 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <927c9f424f.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4f429d1b45john@acornusers.org> > John M Ward wrote: > > > In article <4f428d7b95dfs@ukgateway.net>, > > Dave Symes wrote: [some snipped, to aid clarity] > >> Editing the templates file "Main" is the way I've been doing it on > >> the RO version. > > > > On the basis of this thread, I did the same, but found it made no > > difference. Then I realised that there is probably /another/ > > Templates file inside !OvnResDir within the !OvnPro directory. > > There was; and editing that file's "main" template did the trick. > > Cor John, I looked at that file and found it way beyond me. How on > earth do you edit that??? You need a template editor. I use WinEd but there are others, which some people prefer. I simply expanded the "main" window template to its maximum size and re-saved the Templates file -- after having taken a safety copy of the original, of course! I never burn my boats/bridges/whatever :-) If you fancy having a go yourself, feel free. Otherwise I can send you my modified Templates file if you wish. Just ask me off-list and it's yours, at no extra charge! -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 16 18:07:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1It5Sg-3ZY000-03-B29.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:07:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1It5Sg-3ZY000-03-B29; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:58:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1It5Sg-3ZY000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:58:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1It5Sd-0007dg-WE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:58:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44E57BCCE9; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28032-07; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66BFC7BD00A; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:57:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E4467BC381 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01492-06 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4D4C7BC2F7 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl82-163-39-24.as15444.net [82.163.39.24]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAGBWuGi024037 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:32:57 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sync Discs PC version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:29:21 GMT Message-ID: References: <104406424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> <4f42992748badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4f42992748badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/6.06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 235 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f42992748badger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: > In article <73792d424f.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk>, > Adrian Crafer wrote: >> Thanks for the informative replies. >> I am not sure why it worked before, I was copying Documents and >> Settings to get the maximum backup. > Did you change the filer window settings to show hidden files? When set > not show hidden files, copy/move operations ignore hidden files (though > there is a warning message about this when copying/moving folders > containing hidden items - probably not shown by SyncDiscs.) Yes I had hidden files showing, makes it easier to find the upteen temp word files that get dumped everywhere other than in the temp directory. Resets to hidden and tried again still fails with the same file even though you cannot see it now. Looks like I will have to do a more selective 'sync', though the question of why it worked before obviously still remains. Adrian -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 12:15:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItLVa-0Cf000-04-C2H.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:15:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItLVa-0Cf000-04-C2H; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:06:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItLVa-0Cf000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:06:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItLVZ-0007XW-M2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:06:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 123617BC158; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28431-10; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9DE97BC225; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:06:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43A9D7BC158 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28124-08 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA9257BC11F for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-46-143.as15444.net [82.163.46.143]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with SMTP id lAHB5b86010174; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:05:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: David Pilling , OvationPro Mail List Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:05:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] !Sprinter Message-ID: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 236 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain (I'm not sure if this email list is supposed to encompass Sprinter, but here goes.) I find !Sprinter tremendously useful and use it very frequently. There is, however, one feature of which I sometimes fall foul. Once the standard sprite save box appears after the print processing, it disappears again if any mouse-click is made prior to doing the drag-save. (i.e. the save box acts more like a menu.) Is there a reason for this? I don't think it's normal behaviour for a save box. (But I also seem to recall there was a method of bringing it back - short of re-printing - a keystroke or something. Am I right?) -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 12:15:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItLjR-0rh000-04-BoQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:15:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItLjR-0rh000-04-BoQ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:21:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItLjR-0rh000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:21:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItLjR-0004G1-DO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:21:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE2CC7BC5EA; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29940-03; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B9187BC35A; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:20:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBCBB7BC4B0 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29789-06 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 704947BC11F for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.220.96]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1ItLil0Jmg-0001x3; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:20:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:20:01 +0100 Message-ID: <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX180U7ljntc1Qtg2WBw5KNzKGU+HFVkli5Qfi1h xpU/0jmVSEfKE4CUsMSOdcEXWwHMsPQHyDXn+kpe15zfvcDYZ8 yjwj6R0gE7rBpPf/KuEZJrZ/WmK/Ftw X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> Ray Favre wrote: > I find !Sprinter tremendously useful and use it very frequently. Yes, seconded. Invaluable for debugging purposes for anyone writing software that prints. > There is, however, one feature of which I sometimes fall foul. > Once the standard sprite save box appears after the print processing, > it disappears again if any mouse-click is made prior to doing the > drag-save. (i.e. the save box acts more like a menu.) > Is there a reason for this? I don't think it's normal behaviour for a > save box. It is perfectly normal behaviour for a save box, but I agree that in this specific case it is very irritating and not very helpful, in particular since producing the printout can take a long time during which the machine is locked up. It is all too easy to click somewhere while the printout is being prepared and once that has happened, the output is lost. It also means that you have no means of opening a Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting to print. I think the way PrintPDF does it is far better: It opens a permanent save dialogue box. Generally, IMHO, a save window should always be permanent when there is transient data to save. Things are different in the standard case of data shown in a window (say, a word processor document) because then you can always reopen the save box from the window after accidentally closing it. > (But I also seem to recall there was a method of bringing it back - > short of re-printing - a keystroke or something. Am I right?) I do not think so. As far as I can see SPrinter deletes the intermediate file as soon as the save box is closed, so there cannot be any method for bringing it back. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 17:25:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItRMF-3HEknw-05-Ei8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:25:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItRMF-3HEknw-05-Ei8; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:21:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItRMF-3HEknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:21:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItRMF-0005Ri-KE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:21:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B5BF7BC735; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11795-05; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDB0B7BC7F3; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D5097BC735 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11605-09 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC1F87BC5CC for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=standalone) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ItRLZ-0008e4-86 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:20:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter Message-ID: <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > It also means that you have no means of opening a > Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting > to print. David Glover's TempDir? - still working on my two RISC OS Adjust 4.39 systems. You just move the mouse pointer to the right edge of the screen with Select held down (with the grabbed Save file icon if necessary) and a directory window opens into which you can drop the icon... the user can determine which directory is used by TempDir when setting it up (and change it easily subsequently). I can't trace it on the web any longer, but the !Help file states that 'This application may be freely distributed' - anyone who wants a copy please e-mail me off list. HTH Richard Brock -- Richard Brock From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 17:55:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItRns-3i9000-01-EGV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:55:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItRns-3i9000-01-EGV; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:50:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItRns-3i9000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:50:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItRnn-00041N-PS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:50:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 389B47BC226; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16409-02; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEBAA7BC727; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EE547BC2DB for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16082-03-8 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F39577BBCD8 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAHHmmUK015067 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:48:57 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:47:18 GMT Message-ID: <377d45434f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 17 Nov 2007 Richard Brock wrote: > In article <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> It also means that you have no means of opening a >> Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting >> to print. > David Glover's TempDir? - still working on my two RISC OS Adjust 4.39 > systems. > You just move the mouse pointer to the right edge of the screen with > Select held down (with the grabbed Save file icon if necessary) and a > directory window opens into which you can drop the icon... the user can > determine which directory is used by TempDir when setting it up (and > change it easily subsequently). Or the other TempDir by Stuart Halliday. This is always on my icon bar, and dragging a file in a save box to the icon bar icon will both save the file into today's TempDir directory and then open this directory. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 17:55:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItRrS-44L000-02-ECv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:55:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItRrS-44L000-02-ECv; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:53:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItRrS-44L000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:53:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItRrS-0003Zk-Cf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA3757BC470; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17630-06; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABA797BC96E; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C979C7BC470 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17393-01 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93CAB7BC101 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1ItRqm-000L4I-DM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:51:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, I've changed the behaviour of the save box. New version 1.04 at: http://www.davidpilling.com/sprint.zip The save box now stops on screen until you either drag the save icon somewhere or click on its (new) close icon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 18:05:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItRvH-4Cn000-02-E96.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:05:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItRvH-4Cn000-02-E96; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItRvH-4Cn000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItRvG-0006p7-La for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:57:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F17417BC8AF; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18968-06-5; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72F6E7BC9CD; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:56:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9970D7BC8AF for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18758-02 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B6627BC1C6 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ItRuZ-0007wd-K2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:56:55 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:53:38 GMT Message-ID: <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: > In article <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> It also means that you have no means of opening a >> Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting >> to print. > David Glover's TempDir? - still working on my two RISC OS Adjust 4.39 > systems. Or just drag the save icon to a hard disc or RAM disc icon on the icon bar. -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 17 22:15:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItVqN-3MbVbs-01-AE0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:15:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItVqN-3MbVbs-01-AE0; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:08:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItVqN-3MbVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:08:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItVqM-00048B-RS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:08:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C9EB7BC319; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30663-05; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12EE77BC664; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01F1D7BC319 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30550-06 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2F917BBC0A for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-67-132.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.67.132]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4372C2DE34A for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:08:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:04:09 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 9 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > On 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same > > place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept > > together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable > > suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? > > I like Ray's idea as an option As Martin has already explained, Ray's idea can't work because Printers never knows where a file has come from. However, it may be worth mentioning that in a -- probably unrelated -- discussion with a PrintPDF user, a similar idea was requested. This has now been modified into the more practical idea of dragging a file into the Save As window to set the name of the file to save. This has now made it into the latest version of PrintPDF -- it might help someone here. The theory goes that you would drag the original file into the Save PDF window, which would give the PDF the same path and leafname, with with the extension changed to /pdf. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 12:15:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItdG3-0pMknw-03-BKq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:15:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItdG3-0pMknw-03-BKq; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:03:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItdG3-0pMknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:03:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItdG2-0000V6-WC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:03:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 668067BCA8B; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18100-02; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17FA47BCACF; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F13917BCA8B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17997-01 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E3997BCA91 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:03:10 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 647356415-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.242.187 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAJ9kP0dYafK7/2dsb2JhbACBX455 Received: from 88-105-242-187.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.242.187]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2007 06:03:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:02:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: .pdf creation for OvationPro Message-ID: <4f4388d601dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f3d71678amonster@caverock.net.nz> <4f3daa37fdlists-nospam@vigay.com> <4f3df1f942rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3e929679rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ea74ca4rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4cd7aa3e4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <4f3ebd7c7crhnews@dsl.pipex.com> <4f3ebf7613john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 9 Nov, John Cartmell wrote in message > <4f3f05efe3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>: > > On 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > > Surely what would be ideal is !Printers printing the file to the same > > > place as the saved file from the application. That way they are kept > > > together. It could also adopt the same file name, but with a suitable > > > suffix so that it doesn't overwrite the original? > > > > I like Ray's idea as an option > As Martin has already explained, Ray's idea can't work because Printers > never knows where a file has come from. > However, it may be worth mentioning that in a -- probably unrelated -- > discussion with a PrintPDF user, a similar idea was requested. This has > now been modified into the more practical idea of dragging a file into > the Save As window to set the name of the file to save. > This has now made it into the latest version of PrintPDF -- it might help > someone here. The theory goes that you would drag the original file into > the Save PDF window, which would give the PDF the same path and leafname, > with with the extension changed to /pdf. Thanks for the latest version Steve. (0.51). And that last bit about the drag to the Save Window dialogue, works a treat. Excellent that man. :-) Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 12:15:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItfyG-0hqVbs-01-8cd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:15:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItfyG-0hqVbs-01-8cd; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:57:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItfyG-0hqVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:57:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItfyG-0002sC-EG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:57:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D99A17BCE1B; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30555-08; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DC8F7BCE68; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:57:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9E037BCE1B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30472-01 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D6347BCABE for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-147-226.as15444.net [82.163.147.226]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAI8ucht005088 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:56:50 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] RSS feed. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:56:40 GMT Message-ID: <3fbe98434f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Many thanks for restoring the RSS feed; very useful for lazy and disorganised people like me! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 12:15:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IthfY-3OKVbs-03-FRr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:15:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IthfY-3OKVbs-03-FRr; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:46:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IthfY-3OKVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:46:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IthfX-0005fL-W1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:46:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65D347BC891; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05602-01; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19D037BC667; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:45:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F5CA7BC804 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05431-06 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBE397BC802 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.42.55]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1Itheq04Xx-0006eM; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:45:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:45:43 +0100 Message-ID: <58baa2434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19HXgnXbBGWEDPGcGljelyOOeEIqOJELiJHkIN dtHQBfSltkrUCwv0uRrJGnbsWg9vEw5Imbk8ZnvyR7N3LGXdZs 5O6nWwjBziQ3kkc0XEEgObq/8Q9V0u3 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > I've changed the behaviour of the save box. New version 1.04 at: > http://www.davidpilling.com/sprint.zip > The save box now stops on screen until you either drag the save icon > somewhere or click on its (new) close icon. Wow, that was quick! Many thanks. I do suspect that you forgot to actually put the new version in the archive though - the root !Help file has been updated but the actual application seems unchanged. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 12:15:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ithkp-0GYVbs-06-FMa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:15:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ithkp-0GYVbs-06-FMa; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ithkp-0GYVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ithko-0006DY-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8412F7BCC05; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06158-09; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C0F47BCBC8; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF3587BC929 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05858-08 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-gs3dmrelay.mistral.net (lon-gs3dmrelay.mistral.net [217.154.246.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC21F7BC7E9 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [89.240.3.114] (helo=riscube) by lon-gs3dmrelay.mistral.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ithk7-0004Rs-Tc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:49:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter Message-ID: <4f43a315c0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 246 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> > Richard Brock wrote: > > In article <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> It also means that you have no means of opening a > >> Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting > >> to print. > > David Glover's TempDir? - still working on my two RISC OS Adjust 4.39 > > systems. > Or just drag the save icon to a hard disc or RAM disc icon on the icon > bar. Doesn't work with the Hard Disc icon here (VRPC, RISC OS 4.02), but does with the RAM disc icon. Yet another thing I didn't know! Thanks. R -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 12:15:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ithkq-19Dknw-07-FMZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:15:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ithkq-19Dknw-07-FMZ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ithkq-19Dknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ithko-0006jq-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E98EC7BC9AA; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06194-09; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A57CC7BCBC8; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C081B7BC9AA for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05884-02 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-gs3dmrelay.mistral.net (lon-gs3dmrelay.mistral.net [217.154.246.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A59C7BC97A for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 05:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [89.240.3.114] (helo=riscube) by lon-gs3dmrelay.mistral.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ithk7-0004Rs-7I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:51:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter Message-ID: <4f43a2bbebrichtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <377d45434f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> <377d45434f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <377d45434f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 17 Nov 2007 Richard Brock wrote: > > In article <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> It also means that you have no means of opening a > >> Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting > >> to print. > > David Glover's TempDir? - still working on my two RISC OS Adjust 4.39 > > systems. > > You just move the mouse pointer to the right edge of the screen with > > Select held down (with the grabbed Save file icon if necessary) and a > > directory window opens into which you can drop the icon... the user can > > determine which directory is used by TempDir when setting it up (and > > change it easily subsequently). > Or the other TempDir by Stuart Halliday. This is always on my icon > bar, and dragging a file in a save box to the icon bar icon will both > save the file into today's TempDir directory and then open this > directory. Or !Blackhole2 (Fat German Productions) which combines 'bin' functionality with the ability to save files draggged to its icon to a specified directory. A _very_ useful piece of software. R -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 12:45:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItjNf-0Dy000-01-Djk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:45:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItjNf-0Dy000-01-Djk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:36:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItjNf-0Dy000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:36:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItjNe-00065T-LU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:36:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14F1A7BC09B; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14785-05; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C96C87BC55C; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:35:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5D6A7BC09B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14500-07 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 758687BBB4B for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1ItjMx-0006dO-4S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:35:23 +0000 Message-ID: <6mFmd1AoEDQHFwTU@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:33:44 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <58baa2434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <58baa2434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <58baa2434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >I do suspect that you forgot to actually put the new version in the >archive though - the root !Help file has been updated but the actual >application seems unchanged. Right. Thanks. Sorry. I've now uploaded the correct archive. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 15:55:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItmPa-3OJVbs-05-Ahp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:55:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItmPa-3OJVbs-05-Ahp; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:50:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItmPa-3OJVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:50:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItmPZ-00013i-R7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:50:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33E707BC44E; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31898-05; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E14057BC5E8; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A7477BC44E for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31734-08 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.128]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 312567BBFD5 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 282221C00086 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:49:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5af11070.wfd102.dsl.pol.co.uk [90.241.16.112]) by mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E0DCB1C00085 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:49:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071118154935921.E0DCB1C00085@mwinf3407.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:49:03 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4f43a315c0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <4f43a315c0richtm@uwclub.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f43a315c0richtm@uwclub.net> Richard Travers wrote: > In article <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> In message <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> >> Richard Brock wrote: >>> In article <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, >>> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>>> It also means that you have no means of opening a >>>> Filer window to save to if you have forgotten to do so before starting >>>> to print. >>> David Glover's TempDir? - still working on my two RISC OS Adjust 4.39 >>> systems. >> Or just drag the save icon to a hard disc or RAM disc icon on the icon >> bar. > Doesn't work with the Hard Disc icon here (VRPC, RISC OS 4.02), but does > with the RAM disc icon. I believe it is an ADFS feature, so works with hard discs connected to the motherboard, not to those using e.g. Unipod. (IDEFS) > Yet another thing I didn't know! Thanks. > R -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 16:05:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItmV7-2ewGPo-07-AcI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:05:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItmV7-2ewGPo-07-AcI; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:56:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItmV7-2ewGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:56:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItmV6-0003kP-Pa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:56:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 384B87BC512; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32503-05; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE06C7BC4C7; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 426017BC512 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32422-03 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA32A7BC4C7 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-46-143.as15444.net [82.163.46.143]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with SMTP id lAIFssFM010174 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:55:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter Message-ID: <4f43bed345ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <6mFmd1AoEDQHFwTU@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <58baa2434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <6mFmd1AoEDQHFwTU@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <6mFmd1AoEDQHFwTU@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <58baa2434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin > Wuerthner writes > >I do suspect that you forgot to actually put the new version in > >the archive though - the root !Help file has been updated but the > >actual application seems unchanged. > Right. Thanks. Sorry. I've now uploaded the correct archive. Works here fine. Many thanks (and for quick turn-round). -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 18 16:05:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ItmYm-3Ciknw-02-AYd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:05:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ItmYm-3Ciknw-02-AYd; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:59:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ItmYm-3Ciknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:59:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ItmYf-0003NJ-Ri for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:59:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E88647BC66E; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00422-06; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A14D57BC5A5; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12AE87BC66E for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32723-06 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from oola.is.scarlet.be (oola.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E7837BC918 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from (ip-81-11-180-239.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.180.239]) by oola.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id lAIFwuw31918 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:58:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:03:36 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !Sprinter Message-ID: References: <4f4320b60eray@rayfavre.me.uk> <210822434f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f4342e44fbadger.sett@freeuk.com> <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4f43a315c0richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.07) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: oola 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Alan Adams wrote: > In message <4f43a315c0richtm@uwclub.net> > Richard Travers wrote: > > > In article <4c1146434f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, > > Bernard Veasey wrote: > > >> Or just drag the save icon to a hard disc or RAM disc icon on the icon > >> bar. > > > Doesn't work with the Hard Disc icon here (VRPC, RISC OS 4.02), but does > > with the RAM disc icon. > > I believe it is an ADFS feature, so works with hard discs connected to > the motherboard, not to those using e.g. Unipod. (IDEFS) To be really correct, it is a feature of the Filer for that particular FS. I.e. supported by e.g. ADFSFiler, RAMFSFiler but not necessary by all third-party Filer implementations. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 11:57:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu1Kj-2b1000-06-Cpi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:57:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu1Kj-2b1000-06-Cpi; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:46:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu1Kj-2b1000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:46:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu1Ki-0001Cg-Q2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:46:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A700F7BCE63; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27454-08; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66B787BC966; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:45:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B18787BCE63 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27362-01 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DB057BC966 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu1K1-0006XS-5M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:45:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: OVLIST Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:45:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Sprinter Message-ID: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: Could not determin AV Version, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I have not used Sprinter and now I have tried it, I think I should have a long time ago, having had it on the computer for a long I=91d forgotten what it actually did, much to my shame. You can imagine what convoluted ways I have adopted to send copies of pages, such as using screen saves, converted TIFF images (to JPEGS) from ArcFax along with other means. Running RO4.39, !Printers+ 1.91a. Ive installed Sprinter following the instructions, placing PDumperSP in the PDumpers directory and installing the definition file SPrinter into !Printers and setting the connection and config etc then saving. Running Sprinter works fine. However, when I come to restart the machine, I get an Error at class dp message, clicking ok continues the boot up and !Printers installs ok, but the Sprinter icon is a default printer icon. Running Sprinter and selecting Sprinter as the output works ok though. While I can live with this now I feel I=91ve moved on several years by trying Sprinter, I hope there is a way round the above problem, and someone can point me in some direction to cure the boot up error. Thanks in anticipation. Phil --=20 philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 12:16:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu5Ow-1BoVbs-02-8lV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:16:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu5Ow-1BoVbs-02-8lV; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:06:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu5Ow-1BoVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:06:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu5Ow-0001CX-JF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 073117BC584; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27436-06; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B07477BCAE2; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB52F7BC584 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27329-05 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76B667BBA39 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iu5OG-000CSw-5G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:06:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:04:46 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >converted TIFF images (to JPEGS) from ArcFax along with other means. because the TIFF in ArcFax is probably as compact as can be, moving to JPEG you will lose some data (it will look bad in other words) and probably expand the file size significantly. If the recipients don't have TIFF reading capabilities then GIF or PNG would be better. >trying Sprinter, I hope there is a way round the above problem, and >someone can point me in some direction to cure the boot up error. The obvious idea, is select another printer driver and then save printer choices. So that SPrinter is not the default driver on boot. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 12:36:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu5lt-0yi000-05-Gv4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:36:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu5lt-0yi000-05-Gv4; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:30:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu5lt-0yi000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:30:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu5lr-0000i2-VF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:30:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A8F37BCFE7; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29334-07; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12EAA7BCFF4; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:29:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B4297BD084 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29198-05 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13C837BD079 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu5lA-0003Wz-C3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:29:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:29:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter Message-ID: <4f443015c8philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: Could not determin AV Version, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Thanks for the reply David. On 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes > >converted TIFF images (to JPEGS) from ArcFax along with other means. > because the TIFF in ArcFax is probably as compact as can be, > moving to JPEG you will lose some data (it will look bad in other > words) and probably expand the file size significantly. If the > recipients don't have TIFF reading capabilities then GIF or PNG would > be better. To be honest, I once sent a TIFF file as a copy of a FAX (from ArcFax) to save faxing it, and it worried one recipient as they didn't realise that their PC would actually open the file. I think they are more 'savy' now so maybe I'll try sending in an alternate format but as quality wasn't really the issue I stuck with saving out the TIFF as JPEG. The frequency of sending in this manner is actually quite low, maybe twice a month. The bottom line in using Sprinter is that I now don't have to run ArcFax (though the driver is always loaded), and I can of course save the Sprinter Sprite (and multisheets at that) and load and save them out as JPEGS or using 'that there scanning application' save them in other formats. > >trying Sprinter, I hope there is a way round the above problem, and > >someone can point me in some direction to cure the boot up error. > The obvious idea, is select another printer driver and then save > printer choices. So that SPrinter is not the default driver on boot. Well actually its not set as the default printer. Thanks Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 13:36:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu6lf-0IIGPo-06-FvI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:36:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu6lf-0IIGPo-06-FvI; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:34:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu6lf-0IIGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:34:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu6lf-0001DB-FO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:34:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8D947BD503; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04233-07; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7885B7BD4D0; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:33:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 587157BD503 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04175-03 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 237297BD4D7 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Iu6ky-0004dJ-C4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:33:44 +0000 Received: from [213.48.114.123] (helo=localhost.com.) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Iu6kw-00077r-TX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:33:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:52:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter Message-ID: <4f44322e00Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil wrote: > I have not used Sprinter and now I have tried it, I think I should have > a long time ago, having had it on the computer for a long I'd forgotten > what it actually did, much to my shame. [Snip] > Running RO4.39, !Printers+ 1.91a. > Ive installed Sprinter following the instructions, placing PDumperSP in > the PDumpers directory and installing the definition file SPrinter into > !Printers and setting the connection and config etc then saving. > Running Sprinter works fine. However, when I come to restart the > machine, I get an Error at class dp message, clicking ok continues the > boot up and !Printers installs ok, but the Sprinter icon is a default > printer icon. Running Sprinter and selecting Sprinter as the output > works ok though. [Snip] Most likely there is a misalignment between the setup files in the Printers Choices directory (I think Printers+ uses Printers2 so you need to look at !Boot.Choices.Printers2). My advice is to move this directory elsewhere and setup all your printers from scratch. Hopefully it will then work correctly. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:18:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu7Eh-06JVbs-05-FSG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu7Eh-06JVbs-05-FSG; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:04:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu7Eh-06JVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:04:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu7Ed-0005ZX-RW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:04:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 918F27BD341; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07434-01-4; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 376027BD61F; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:03:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A26577BD341 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07039-03 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D9347BD33E for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu7Dr-00068u-NI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:03:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:03:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter Message-ID: <4f4438a4d8philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f44322e00Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> <4f44322e00Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: Could not determin AV Version, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 19 Nov, Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > wrote: > > I have not used Sprinter and now I have tried it, I think I should > > have a long time ago, having had it on the computer for a long I'd > > forgotten what it actually did, much to my shame. > [Snip] > > Running RO4.39, !Printers+ 1.91a. > > Ive installed Sprinter following the instructions, placing PDumperSP > > in the PDumpers directory and installing the definition file SPrinter > > into !Printers and setting the connection and config etc then saving. > > Running Sprinter works fine. However, when I come to restart the > > machine, I get an Error at class dp message, clicking ok continues > > the boot up and !Printers installs ok, but the Sprinter icon is a > > default printer icon. Running Sprinter and selecting Sprinter as the > > output works ok though. > [Snip] > Most likely there is a misalignment between the setup files in the > Printers Choices directory (I think Printers+ uses Printers2 so you > need to look at !Boot.Choices.Printers2). My advice is to move this > directory elsewhere and setup all your printers from scratch. Hopefully > it will then work correctly. > Ian Thanks Ian, that will be my task for this evening.. Regards Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:18:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu7ZI-0Ytknw-03-F7f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu7ZI-0Ytknw-03-F7f; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu7ZI-0Ytknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:25:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu7ZF-0006f7-2f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:25:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AB967BD431; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10514-03; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFDEC7BD60C; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:25:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 587917BD431 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10382-03 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23CA67BD42B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Iu7YY-0007fu-4I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:24:58 +0000 Received: from [82.33.200.41] (helo=iyonix.workgroup) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Iu7YW-00082j-Sg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:24:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:21:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just acquired a MacMini (according to model they cost - a mere (?) - =A3399 or =A3499) with Leopard OS. It's very pretty and seductive and apt to make one drool. In fact I'd be willing to bet that when word gets around, a lot of those PC users who are as fond of Windows as we are, will be switching over to Macs. (Don't worry, I have no immediate plans to give up on RISC OS). All that leads me to believe that the market size for Mac software will grow which would provide a worthwhile opportunity for a Mac version of OPro. I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, taking account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are now in the present circumstanes. Regards Jack --=20 Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:18:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu84P-3UNknw-03-EcY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu84P-3UNknw-03-EcY; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:57:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu84P-3UNknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:57:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu84N-0006cb-SQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:57:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6BD77BD861; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17099-03; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78EBF7BD7CB; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D84F67BD861 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16787-01-9 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 225327BD877 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAJEupuQ029120 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:56:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:53:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f443d3501lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 258 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a dim and distant universe <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans muttered: > All that leads me to believe that the market size for Mac software will > grow which would provide a worthwhile opportunity for a Mac version of > OPro. Probably a lot smaller than the PC one, especially as Mac users expect a different style of application to PC users. If you see the latest leopard applications they're all quite colourful, simple and consist of dragging objects around etc. Would have quite strong competition with Pages by Apple themselves (although IMHO not a patch on OvPro) but Pages *looks* very nice and shiny, even though it's not very functional once you delve in further than the surface. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:18:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu8Iq-16gVbs-02-EO7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu8Iq-16gVbs-02-EO7; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu8Iq-16gVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu8Ip-0002NZ-Us for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 320CE7BD4CE; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20063-03; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCDD77BD646; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E9A7BD4CE for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19855-08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B7BF7BD56B for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Iu8I9-0005If-Na for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:08:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f443e9bdajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 19 Nov, Jack Evans wrote: > I have just acquired a MacMini (according to model they cost - a mere (= ?) > - =A3399 or =A3499) with Leopard OS. > It's very pretty and seductive and apt to make one drool. In fact I'd b= e > willing to bet that when word gets around, a lot of those PC users who > are as fond of Windows as we are, will be switching over to Macs. (Don'= t > worry, I have no immediate plans to give up on RISC OS). > All that leads me to believe that the market size for Mac software will > grow which would provide a worthwhile opportunity for a Mac version of > OPro. > I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, taking > account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are now in th= e > present circumstanes. It seems remarkable that Macs are little faster than RISC OS in many area= s of working (graphics and searching are exceptions) having the Windows' vice = of bloatware. Worse is that they are even more determinedly foreign (unless = you are a USAian) than Windows! Whilst Mac OS is (like RISC OS) more intuitive to use than Windows there = are some very obvious differences - and Mac Users may not take to those differences if kept in OPro for OS X, especially as there isn't as much t= o gain from the difference as there is for Windows Users. --=20 John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:18:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iu9pq-3PYVbs-04-Cr7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iu9pq-3PYVbs-04-Cr7; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:50:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iu9pq-3PYVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:50:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iu9pn-0005H8-Fz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:50:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DEE07BDF01; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04736-01; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E86987BDEFA; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02AED7BDE7C for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04172-09 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 390277BDE95 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Iu9p3-0006X6-1q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:50:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] T'other Opro site Message-ID: <4f4447e26dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Due to David's netlink site being discontinued, I have been updating all the links on my 'Alternative OPro site', including noticing that the paths have also changed in many cases (due to the Windows part of the site becoming the default). I think I have now made all the 'David Pilling' based links valid again. The site is at http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html or http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/index.html I know some of the links to third parties are no longer valid, and I am slowly tracking these down and removing them. The Hints and Tips page is in need of serious updating, which will happen sometime (I have a load of stuff archived from the maillist etc).. However, if anyone has created their own hints and tips they would be willing to share then please contact me - it would certainly save me some time! -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:18:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuAIj-0hfVbs-05-COE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:18:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuAIj-0hfVbs-05-COE; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:20:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuAIj-0hfVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:20:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuAIi-0007PK-Vz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37E167BDB38; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10129-05; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1001D7BDB4C; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B640E7BDB03 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09896-04 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A10C7BDAF9 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IuAI0-0005zr-Nb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:20:04 +0000 Received: from [82.33.200.41] (helo=iyonix.workgroup) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IuAHx-0000Zq-5b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:20:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:19:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f444aa75ejack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f443d3501lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <4f443d3501lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 19 Nov, Paul Vigay wrote: > In a dim and distant universe <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack > Evans muttered: > > All that leads me to believe that the market size for Mac software > > will grow which would provide a worthwhile opportunity for a Mac > > version of OPro. > Probably a lot smaller than the PC one, especially as Mac users expect > a different style of application to PC users. If you see the latest > leopard applications they're all quite colourful, simple and consist > of dragging objects around etc. > Would have quite strong competition with Pages by Apple themselves > (although IMHO not a patch on OvPro) but Pages *looks* very nice and > shiny, even though it's not very functional once you delve in further > than the surface. I agree that Pages is not a patch on OPro and that's what prompted my contribution. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:38:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuBVz-1SyGPo-05-BAy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:38:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuBVz-1SyGPo-05-BAy; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:38:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuBVz-1SyGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:38:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuBVr-0001yZ-Fb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:38:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D8F17BDDBC; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21457-09-3; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCE4E7BDD1C; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BA607BDC69 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21302-06 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 094447BCC21 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IuBV1-000Alk-FP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:37:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:36:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans writes >I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, taking >account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are now in the >present circumstanes. I don't think I am about to do a Mac version of OP. I am inclined to think that I should have taken Acorn's advice and gone off to work on the Mac (in 1996!). I didn't because I've never had anything to do with Macs, I felt there was competition in the form of Quark, I couldn't believe Acorn were packing up and at the time the Mac looked to be in trouble. The Windows version represents years of work (probably as much effort as went into the RISC OS original). It has not paid off. Yes I've not marketed it well enough. However I feel it does not do enough to be competitive. So I'm left in the position I have been in before, if I do a few more years work then it might sell. Then again behind the next mountain there may be yet another one to climb. Doing a Mac version would be another gamble on the same lines as Windows, perhaps two years full time work, at the end of which someone will say "oh it would be OK if only it did XYZ". The Mac market may well be more suitable for an individual programmer than the Windows market. If anyone feels they could make a success out of marketing OP for Windows - I'm prepared to give you 30% of the retail price of each copy you sell. However what you're not allowed to do is make unlimited promises about adding features. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:48:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuBYU-15HVbs-02-B8T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:48:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuBYU-15HVbs-02-B8T; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:41:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuBYU-15HVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:41:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuBYO-0005HR-R2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:41:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 330B17BD7E8; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21938-06; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E43C77BDE9E; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C94C37BD7E8 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21788-02 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9394E7BCC21 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IuBXd-000PFZ-Gr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:40:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:38:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: T'other Opro site References: <4f4447e26dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4f4447e26dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f4447e26dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >Due to David's netlink site being discontinued, If you don't subscribe to the RSS feed, I finally pulled the plug on the netlink site over the weekend. I did mention this here some months ago. Of course I'm now sorry to have broken all those links. >the site becoming the default). I think I have now made all the >'David Pilling' based links valid again. Thanks for the support. >The site is at > http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/index.html >or > http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/index.html > Well worth visiting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 18:48:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuBaw-2YR000-07-B61.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:48:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuBaw-2YR000-07-B61; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:43:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuBaw-2YR000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:43:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuBax-0005lM-IA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:43:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACD527BDD9E; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22292-10; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 696867BDE83; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26C497BDD9E for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22198-04 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7F727BDD6A for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IuBaF-000NZn-2B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:42:59 +0000 Message-ID: <1Y6FiWCWjdQHFwQe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:41:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> <4f443015c8philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f443015c8philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f443015c8philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >The bottom line in using Sprinter is that I now don't have to run ArcFax >(though the driver is always loaded), and I can of course save the >Sprinter Sprite (and multisheets at that) and load and save them out as >JPEGS or using 'that there scanning application' save them in other >formats. Merely for general interest. If you want to save a black and white sprite (i.e. no shades of grey), JPEG is unlikely to be the best format. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 20:18:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuCxO-48Fknw-04-9jZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:18:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuCxO-48Fknw-04-9jZ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:10:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuCxO-48Fknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:10:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuCxK-0003gH-VJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:10:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 721CD7BDC74; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04157-02; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F159A7BE511; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:09:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5CA67BDC74 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03978-05 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.newtelsurf.com (www.newtelsurf.com [213.133.203.50]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6A6D7BE394 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([81.20.186.241]) by mail.newtelsurf.com (Merak 7.6.4) with ESMTP id EDA74831 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:26 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <78A7F0C4-E246-4BA5-841D-1480DD156F91@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 19 Nov 2007, at 14:21, Jack Evans wrote: > I have just acquired a MacMini (according to model they cost - a =20 > mere (?) > - =A3399 or =A3499) with Leopard OS. > > It's very pretty and seductive and apt to make one drool. I've had mine for many a moon, and it remains wonderful - as is my Iyonix. I agree with other contributors to this thread that Pages is not a patch on OPro. But then, if you're basically a RiscOS man, as I am, you won't have bought your Mac Mini to do word-processing with - you've already got that sorted. So, a bit off-topic (sorry, but bear with me):- My every computing session involves both machines. I might start by checking my email, which could be either, but I use the Mac. Next I may write a letter, or design that play programme: Opro, obviously. Then suppose I'm preparing a talk on Winslow Homer for the Art History group (images to download from cyberspace, and associated text too). For the web, Safari on the Mac, obviously: park them on the desktop there. But the images need doctoring, which means Photodesk, and where I want to store them is my Art History database, which is Datapower. Well, no need to move them just yet: I can treat the Mac as another disc seen from the Iyonix, and directly load text into Edit, or images into Photodesk; I can fiddle with them, rename them, delete or save them into either machine; print from either, etc. The short version of all this is: 'Don't choose between MacOS and RiscOS - have the best of both worlds.'= From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 20:58:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuDhc-1JJknw-05-8zL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuDhc-1JJknw-05-8zL; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuDhc-1JJknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuDhb-0007nq-R2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41FD47BE75E; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13555-03; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E469F7BE753; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0781E7BE449 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04594-03-2 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F5377BE213 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1IuCyW-0005Vs-HE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:12:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:11:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: T'other Opro site Message-ID: <4f445a65d7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4f4447e26dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 266 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > If you don't subscribe to the RSS feed, I finally pulled the plug > on the netlink site over the weekend. I did mention this here some > months ago. Yes, I do subscribe - that's how I found out 8o) -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 20:58:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuDhe-1mhVbs-04-8zJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuDhe-1mhVbs-04-8zJ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuDhe-1mhVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuDhd-0001Au-V1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:58:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FC0E7BE765; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13555-08; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07B657BE6D6; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 823D17BD38F for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07226-08 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33D397BD2ED for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from RPC.pressxpress.co.uk (dsl89-213-66-91.as15444.net [89.213.66.91]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAJH5cnE031149 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:05:39 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Brayshaw X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:06:32 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 267 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeremy@brayshaw.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Jack Evans wrote: > I have just acquired a MacMini (according to model they cost - a mere (= ?) > - =A3399 or =A3499) with Leopard OS. >=20 > It's very pretty and seductive and apt to make one drool. In fact I'd b= e > willing to bet that when word gets around, a lot of those PC users who > are as fond of Windows as we are, will be switching over to Macs. Mac Minis have been around at that price for a number of years now.=20 But what will attract existing Windows users, I suspect, is the=20 built-in 'Boot Camp' in Leopard which lets people start up their Mac=20 as a Windows machine if they really must, for the odd occasions they=20 need to revert back. > All that leads me to believe that the market size for Mac software will > grow which would provide a worthwhile opportunity for a Mac version of > OPro. I think David found that the Windows version didn't sell very well,=20 but I suspect that is down to people not knowing it is there. That=20 isn't a problem with Mac software, as it will be highly promoted by=20 Apple themselves! (Click 'MacOs X Software' from the drop-down menu of=20 the 'apple' - top left of the screen, if you're not sure what I mean!) > I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, taking > account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are now in th= e > present circumstanes. A Mac version of OPro would certainly be on my priority shopping list!=20 Jeremy. --=20 Jeremy Brayshaw Jeremy@Brayshaw.org.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 19 22:18:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuEnf-2qRGPo-06-GPo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:18:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuEnf-2qRGPo-06-GPo; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuEnf-2qRGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuEnf-0006CH-EQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBB8A7BD42F; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28032-03; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74D9B7BD5EA; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7D057BD42F for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27826-07 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 839947BD4DF for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IuEmy-00052c-4l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:08:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:07:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter Message-ID: <4f446501d3philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f44322e00Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> <4f44322e00Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: Could not determin AV Version, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 19 Nov, Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > wrote: > > I have not used Sprinter and now I have tried it, I think I should > > have a long time ago, having had it on the computer for a long I'd > > forgotten what it actually did, much to my shame. > [Snip] > > Running RO4.39, !Printers+ 1.91a. > > Ive installed Sprinter following the instructions, placing PDumperSP > > in the PDumpers directory and installing the definition file SPrinter > > into !Printers and setting the connection and config etc then saving. > > Running Sprinter works fine. However, when I come to restart the > > machine, I get an Error at class dp message, clicking ok continues > > the boot up and !Printers installs ok, but the Sprinter icon is a > > default printer icon. Running Sprinter and selecting Sprinter as the > > output works ok though. > [Snip] > Most likely there is a misalignment between the setup files in the > Printers Choices directory (I think Printers+ uses Printers2 so you > need to look at !Boot.Choices.Printers2). My advice is to move this > directory elsewhere and setup all your printers from scratch. Hopefully > it will then work correctly. > Ian Just tried reinstalling printers from scratch and I still get the error box. Printers consists of UNIPRINT (to a HP2355), Arcfax, Sprinter. Loaded in various orders too. Defualt printer is Uniprint. Thanks Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 20 12:18:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuQWA-0u0knw-03-DDp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:18:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuQWA-0u0knw-03-DDp; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:39:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuQWA-0u0knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:39:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuQW9-0005s9-Q5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:39:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A0737BDB9B; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12554-04; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6C087BD632; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FDC77BDB9B for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12313-04 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C777BDB9A for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IuQVS-00028f-9d for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:39:02 +0000 Received: from [82.33.200.41] (helo=iyonix.workgroup) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IuQVN-0005Wh-4P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:38:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:31:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f44a917ffjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans > writes > >I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, > >taking account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are > >now in the present circumstanes. > I don't think I am about to do a Mac version of OP. > I am inclined to think that I should have taken Acorn's advice and > gone off to work on the Mac (in 1996!). I didn't because I've never > had anything to do with Macs, I felt there was competition in the > form of Quark, I couldn't believe Acorn were packing up and at the > time the Mac looked to be in trouble. > The Windows version represents years of work (probably as much effort > as went into the RISC OS original). It has not paid off. Yes I've not > marketed it well enough. However I feel it does not do enough to be > competitive. So I'm left in the position I have been in before, if I > do a few more years work then it might sell. Then again behind the > next mountain there may be yet another one to climb. > Doing a Mac version would be another gamble on the same lines as > Windows, perhaps two years full time work, at the end of which someone > will say "oh it would be OK if only it did XYZ". Thanks David for being so frank. Obviously it wouldn't make much sense for you. (Unless you wanted to prove to yourself that it could be done - and we live in a real world!). :-( Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 20 16:57:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuWKN-1a0knw-02-Fw8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:57:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuWKN-1a0knw-02-Fw8; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:51:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuWKN-1a0knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:51:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuWKK-0007jv-P9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:51:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFACF7BF0AC; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08874-01; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CE5B7BF0B3; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:51:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1416A7BD89D for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17823-03 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BCE07BD71E for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so325512wxd for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=31hftcxzR86aD37N7xaJAX1e4f4Htj2dElJY/VBxNIs=; b=c1Baoh6lzKGtsBAiR8yCGMyKYwms/uZtVHQUOjVu+5wxU7Z9TI+cqSdL/zK1+YI1PwluY2TVwxBVefdaPw/gCihPdi4c2DJOSKnx0DaE7fT7UdnSfA2Us375CqZdKJKmJ1pqzuSMGKefShRihO4QYXG6uWL6EEVdZkdcJbp/Nx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tYFdruGTfERsrmIHpX8gfylkYaUsYgXvzXeS4jo5aGpy/jEgJGcfMQL++ywP0oHpbx+WPnfy2kJnKWaQQh1CTHriLLoPjLq7E8DVKTI25GfFoVwPZAcVSzaq47olV5mZEkiXkOQPNrUiSh11+UaiSCnFLbUTJEcjcDEgfAn1KL0= Received: by 10.70.83.8 with SMTP id g8mr3742770wxb.1195569508280; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.73.1 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:38:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1ab582b40711200638t7bd39eb8yf99c6890ef65621f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:38:28 +0000 From: "Bernard Hill" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? In-Reply-To: <4f44a917ffjack@ljsevans.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16943_19421597.1195569508269" References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f44a917ffjack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 270 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.hill57@googlemail.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain ------=_Part_16943_19421597.1195569508269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 20/11/2007, Jack Evans wrote: > > On 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans > > writes > > >I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, > > >taking account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are > > >now in the present circumstanes. > > > I don't think I am about to do a Mac version of OP. > > > I am inclined to think that I should have taken Acorn's advice and > > gone off to work on the Mac (in 1996!). I didn't because I've never > > had anything to do with Macs, I felt there was competition in the > > form of Quark, I couldn't believe Acorn were packing up and at the > > time the Mac looked to be in trouble. > > > The Windows version represents years of work (probably as much effort > > as went into the RISC OS original). It has not paid off. Yes I've not > > marketed it well enough. However I feel it does not do enough to be > > competitive. So I'm left in the position I have been in before, if I > > do a few more years work then it might sell. Then again behind the > > next mountain there may be yet another one to climb. > > > Doing a Mac version would be another gamble on the same lines as > > Windows, perhaps two years full time work, at the end of which someone > > will say "oh it would be OK if only it did XYZ". > > Thanks David for being so frank. Obviously it wouldn't make much sense > for you. (Unless you wanted to prove to yourself that it could be done - > and we live in a real world!). > > :-( > > Regards > > Jack > -- > Jack Evans Bristol UK > mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk > > Hi, What about my stuck gramophone needle. How about LInux? Scribus may be free but it is a bit clunky in use. It does however export directly to PDF for the printer. I am sure that a major part of the problem with the uptake of OPro on Windows is that it was late on the scene and people had files committed to other programs. If a Linux version is at all on the cards, it must not be left for too long. Bernard ------=_Part_16943_19421597.1195569508269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 20/11/2007, Jack Evans <jack@ljsevans.co.uk> wrote:
On 19 Nov, David Pilling <flist@pilling.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans
> <jack@ljsevans.co.uk> writes
> >I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint,
> >taking account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are
> >now in the present circumstanes.

> I don't think I am about to do a Mac version of OP.

> I am inclined to think that I should have taken Acorn's advice and
> gone off to work on the Mac (in 1996!). I didn't because I've never
> had anything to do with Macs, I felt there was competition in the
> form of Quark, I couldn't believe Acorn were packing up and at the
> time the Mac looked to be in trouble.

> The Windows version represents years of work (probably as much effort
> as went into the RISC OS original). It has not paid off. Yes I've not
> marketed it well enough. However I feel it does not do enough to be
> competitive. So I'm left in the position I have been in before, if I
> do a few more years work then it might sell. Then again behind the
> next mountain there may be yet another one to climb.

> Doing a Mac version would be another gamble on the same lines as
> Windows, perhaps two years full time work, at the end of which someone
> will say "oh it would be OK if only it did XYZ".

Thanks David for being so frank. Obviously it wouldn't make much sense
for you. (Unless you wanted to prove to yourself that it could be done -
and we live in a real world!).

:-(

Regards

Jack
--
Jack Evans                              Bristol UK
mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk

Hi,

What about my stuck gramophone needle. How about LInux? Scribus may be free but it is a bit clunky in use. It does however export directly to PDF for the printer.

I am sure that a major part of the problem with the uptake of OPro on Windows is that it was late on the scene and people had files committed to other programs. If a Linux version is at all on the cards, it must not be left for too long.

Bernard


------=_Part_16943_19421597.1195569508269-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 20 18:47:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuY5E-43JVbs-03-EBH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:47:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuY5E-43JVbs-03-EBH; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:44:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuY5E-43JVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:44:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuY5D-0000In-J0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:44:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF9A7BEDC6; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27917-04; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 307DD7BED8D; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:43:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E1DD7BED1F for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27759-01 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mars.karoo.kcom.com (mars.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC3D67BE6B9 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:43:45 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAOavQkdSmOsN/2dsb2JhbACQYw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,442,1188774000"; d="scan'208";a="196982690" Received: from unknown (HELO standalone) ([82.152.235.13]) by mars.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2007 18:43:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi I've said it before but.... OVPro written in Java and running in ANY browser (that supported Java) would be a killer app. If you want to see what can be done got to www.j2e.com It's free for individuals. Martin Longley In article <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans > writes > >I'm sure that David will have assessed this from his viewpoint, taking > >account of his priorities, and I wonder what his thoughts are now in the > >present circumstanes. > I don't think I am about to do a Mac version of OP. > I am inclined to think that I should have taken Acorn's advice and gone > off to work on the Mac (in 1996!). I didn't because I've never had > anything to do with Macs, I felt there was competition in the form of > Quark, I couldn't believe Acorn were packing up and at the time the Mac > looked to be in trouble. > The Windows version represents years of work (probably as much effort as > went into the RISC OS original). It has not paid off. Yes I've not > marketed it well enough. However I feel it does not do enough to be > competitive. So I'm left in the position I have been in before, if I do > a few more years work then it might sell. Then again behind the next > mountain there may be yet another one to climb. > Doing a Mac version would be another gamble on the same lines as > Windows, perhaps two years full time work, at the end of which someone > will say "oh it would be OK if only it did XYZ". > The Mac market may well be more suitable for an individual programmer > than the Windows market. > If anyone feels they could make a success out of marketing OP for > Windows - I'm prepared to give you 30% of the retail price of each copy > you sell. However what you're not allowed to do is make unlimited > promises about adding features. -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 20 20:27:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuZgm-43kknw-05-CZj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:27:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuZgm-43kknw-05-CZj; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:27:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuZgm-43kknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:27:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuZgl-0005ax-Ii for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:27:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C20657BEF6C; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12966-09; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52C057BEF83; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:26:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E08647BEDDB for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12852-04 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFDB77BED18 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IuZg2-00070q-OM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:26:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:30:38 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <3df3df444f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> Martin Longley wrote: >Hi > >I've said it before but.... > >OVPro written in Java and running in ANY browser (that supported Java) would >be a killer app. If you want to see what can be done got to www.j2e.com > >It's free for individuals. And this raises the bugbear of Java for RISC OS........ David > >Martin Longley > [snip previous posts] -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 20 20:47:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuZyG-4DLVbs-07-CIF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:47:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuZyG-4DLVbs-07-CIF; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:45:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuZyG-4DLVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:45:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuZyG-0005ct-IS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:45:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 044957BEC4A; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16619-03; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B69987BEA2E; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:44:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A8507BEC4A for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16443-01 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mars.karoo.kcom.com (mars.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36A6D11416 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:44:42 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAbMQkdSmOsN/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,443,1188774000"; d="scan'208";a="197060920" Received: from unknown (HELO standalone) ([82.152.235.13]) by mars.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2007 20:44:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:40:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? Message-ID: <4f44e0e2d8mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3df3df444f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <3df3df444f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <3df3df444f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk>, David W Mills wrote: > In message <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> > Martin Longley wrote: > >Hi > > > >I've said it before but.... > > > >OVPro written in Java and running in ANY browser (that supported Java) would > >be a killer app. If you want to see what can be done got to www.j2e.com > > > >It's free for individuals. > And this raises the bugbear of Java for RISC OS........ Indeed but it does solve the windows/mac problem - maybe linux too - I don't know. Martin -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 20 21:47:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iuapw-20Oknw-03-BQZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:47:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iuapw-20Oknw-03-BQZ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iuapw-20Oknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iuapw-0007h1-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC9137BEFE6; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27238-08; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A99077BF08A; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F3137BEFE6 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27065-10 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE8397BEFC7 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IuapA-000MbL-Ei for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:40:04 +0000 Message-ID: <6xDW4YEyP1QHFwSS@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:38:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? References: <4f443a4875jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <3oWFupBledQHFwyp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk>, Martin Longley writes >OVPro written in Java and running in ANY browser (that supported Java) would >be a killer app. If you want to see what can be done got to www.j2e.com Yes the Java version of TextEase is very impressive. However one of the things I feel is lacking from OP for Windows is OLE support. I'll bet that can't be done from Java. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:22:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iucfo-3FkVbs-03-9ah.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:22:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iucfo-3FkVbs-03-9ah; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:38:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iucfo-3FkVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:38:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iucfn-00056V-Pl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:38:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2935C7BEB43; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15475-08; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E01227BEC92; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:37:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28CA27BEB43 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15378-09 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7A037BE579 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lAKNboOJ013525 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:37:50 GMT Received: from GeraldC2D (cpc2-swin1-0-0-cust799.sol2.cable.ntl.com [81.109.87.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAKNbnNi013517 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:37:49 GMT Message-ID: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> From: "Gerald OvPro" To: "OvPro" Subject: [softwarelist] Change of email address Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:37:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 275 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovpro@abacusline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Please ... What is the method of unsubscribing one email address and subscribing a different one? For example is it to send an email to a majordomo somewhere? Gerald From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuiJh-04KVbs-03-CTK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuiJh-04KVbs-03-CTK; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:40:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuiJh-04KVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:40:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuiJh-0004ET-A5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:40:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC27F7BE331; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03972-10; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FC667BE36E; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:39:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E1A77BE331 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03851-06 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F9847BE0D3 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp121-44-55-170.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.55.170]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2007 16:06:19 +1030 Message-ID: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:36:18 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Tablemate alternative Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I have to transfer a very large (over 2gig) number of Impression documents into OVP for Windows as my old RiscPC computer is on its last legs. The documents make extensive use of Tablemate not for its spreadsheet facility buts ability to create tables with pictures as well as text. Is there anything in the Windows world that will do the job? They will transfer to Ovation but not able to edit:-(( Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuiVw-1sEknw-06-CH5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuiVw-1sEknw-06-CH5; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:52:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuiVw-1sEknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:52:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuiVw-0004An-0N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:52:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BC607BE370; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05161-04; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 280987BE352; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DADB7BE370 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05031-01 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CC5C7BDD50 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp121-44-55-170.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.55.170]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2007 16:17:32 +1030 Message-ID: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:47:32 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] CD transfer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 277 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I know it is a little of topic. I have to transfer jpegs from the PC to Ovation on my RiscPC. I burnt a CD and the RiscPC showed that it was empty though CDBurn says that it has 250Mb. I can transfer via a floppy without a problem and it looks like that is what I will have to do:-(( I would rather do it on one go and spend my time on my model making for my train layout. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iukjz-124Vbs-04-A32.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iukjz-124Vbs-04-A32; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:15:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iukjz-124Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:15:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iukjx-0000UN-Sp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:15:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 488F57BEE09; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24503-06; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2F167BEE73; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:14:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54B057BEE09 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24383-03 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBD997BEB76 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IukjB-0006kD-CV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:14:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: OVLIST Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:14:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter Message-ID: <4f452060f5philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f446501d3philco@heter.co.uk> References: <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk> <4f44322e00Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> <4f446501d3philco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4868/Wed Nov 21 07:31:38 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 278 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 19 Nov, philco@heter.co.uk wrote: > On 19 Nov, Ian Hamilton wrote: > > In article <4f44160a4aphilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > > wrote: > > > I have not used Sprinter and now I have tried it, I think I should > > > have a long time ago, having had it on the computer for a long I'd > > > forgotten what it actually did, much to my shame. > > [Snip] > > > Running RO4.39, !Printers+ 1.91a. > > > Ive installed Sprinter following the instructions, placing > > > PDumperSP in the PDumpers directory and installing the definition > > > file SPrinter into !Printers and setting the connection and config > > > etc then saving. Running Sprinter works fine. However, when I come > > > to restart the machine, I get an Error at class dp message, > > > clicking ok continues the boot up and !Printers installs ok, but > > > the Sprinter icon is a default printer icon. Running Sprinter and > > > selecting Sprinter as the output works ok though. > > [Snip] > > Most likely there is a misalignment between the setup files in the > > Printers Choices directory (I think Printers+ uses Printers2 so you > > need to look at !Boot.Choices.Printers2). My advice is to move this > > directory elsewhere and setup all your printers from scratch. > > Hopefully it will then work correctly. > > Ian > Just tried reinstalling printers from scratch and I still get the error > box. Printers consists of UNIPRINT (to a HP2355), Arcfax, Sprinter. > Loaded in various orders too. Defualt printer is Uniprint. > Thanks > Phil A suggestion from Ian was to change the order in which !Printers and !Sprinter loads, making sure !Sprinter loads first. That cured it. Thanks again Ian, and David for the application upgrade too.. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iules-2H4GPo-06-989.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iules-2H4GPo-06-989; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iules-2H4GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iuler-0003py-I0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE0947BF372; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32232-05; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 854377BF3A8; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EA067BF3E6 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31960-02 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA56A7BF3C8 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.208]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1Iule82Jch-00059D; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:13:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD transfer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:13:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18K5k9iDhTzsxZ6N+Rl/RdGAiQ9ZX2hHhB/FCA 8Sd+QYYS7SR1r3nKCrcoUPvYXpMpZQSoWvLP+oLTtMG64hDt/y wpwr7U9ldFQfjOiA1cNDnrvvGF1Fr4d X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > I know it is a little of topic. > I have to transfer jpegs from the PC to Ovation on my RiscPC. > I burnt a CD and the RiscPC showed that it was empty though > CDBurn says that it has 250Mb. Any correctly burnt ISO CD can be read by your RiscPC. So, either your CD drive is broken or you have made a mistake when burning the CD. At a guess, you did not create an ISO CD. On re-writable media, Windows burning programs offer an alternative format (UDF) that allows the CD to be treated like a hard disc. RISC OS does not support UDF CDs. So, try again and make sure you select ISO format. You might also want to make sure that the CD is finalized/fixated/closed, whichever way your burning program calls it (though this is not normally necessary for RISC OS to read the CD). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iulet-2H9GPo-06-988.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iulet-2H9GPo-06-988; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iulet-2H9GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iules-0006UV-Mz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6A577BF418; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32219-05; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DF317BF3BF; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C0AB7BF3CD for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31942-04 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D73FA7BF3C7 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.208]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1Iule80bsx-00059D; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:13:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:04:29 +0100 Message-ID: <7df724454f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+IBlPdcBNbnZovIkBx9zXmI0JP8Ztd3mGGQ3 xzW3PjB0i30twlWUdLPydxf8ervkY6e+aLTed5cCU19LsNh/qH Wi8Fzw+3BGOISGHRrKC9+mmu4y4nETv X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > I have to transfer a very large (over 2gig) number of Impression > documents into OVP for Windows as my old RiscPC computer is on > its last legs. > The documents make extensive use of Tablemate not for its > spreadsheet facility buts ability to create tables with pictures > as well as text. > Is there anything in the Windows world that will do the job? Yes, easily. Use VirtualRPC, OvationPro (RISC OS) and TableMate. Without VirtualRPC - no way. Even if you invested in a Draw file editor for Windows, you would still only be able to edit the file as a Draw file, not as a table. That might be enough to fix a spelling mistake but more comprehensive changes will be tedious. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iumb2-1rD000-04-GiV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iumb2-1rD000-04-GiV; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:14:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iumb2-1rD000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:14:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iumb0-0001CK-Oa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:14:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C6B27B8461; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09624-10; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D5F17BEF63; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:13:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FB827B8461 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09504-05 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C87767BE996 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.208]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1IumaE3GWw-0006kn; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:13:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Change of email address To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:12:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> In-Reply-To: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19kyk52dkti5jMTCDQ9JUsYQPoUSeWUe8CRj5i AcZFGHFNTloXcnF/4lUs7UBtyZiqXJOW/8LR8sN2dfpGCT5uWj U2Z6GdjgyC53Cpp1UXXPtKbBqMBxo7Z X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> "Gerald OvPro" wrote: > Please ... > What is the method of unsubscribing one email address and subscribing a > different one? http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling It is good practice for mailing lists to include unsubscription information with every posting. For my lists, I have set up a footer file, so the following lines are added to every posting: ------------------------------------------------------------ To change, suspend or cancel your subscription go to ------------------------------------------------------------ > For example is it to send an email to a majordomo somewhere? There is an e-mail interface but it should be straightforward using the web interface. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iun21-1hhVbs-02-GHW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iun21-1hhVbs-02-GHW; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:42:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iun21-1hhVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:42:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iun21-00074m-6J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93E027BE762; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14717-06; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5492C7BEC47; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:41:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6870C7BE762 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14648-02 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3120B7BE0B8 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 05:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Iun1V-0005BG-EZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:41:37 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Change of email address To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:34:51 GMT Message-ID: References: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 21 Nov, Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > It is good practice for mailing lists to include unsubscription > information with every posting. For my lists, I have set up a footer > file, so the following lines are added to every posting: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > To change, suspend or cancel your subscription go to > > ------------------------------------------------------------ >> For example is it to send an email to a majordomo somewhere? > There is an e-mail interface but it should be straightforward using > the web interface. Subscribe/Unsubscribe instructions are in the message headers; not the most obvious place to look, I'll grant you. -- Brian Howlett ----------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune tellers take economists seriously? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IunOI-1AM000-05-FvF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IunOI-1AM000-05-FvF; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IunOI-1AM000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IunOG-0001Ax-SZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BED47BD926; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17014-08; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE9657BD305; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:04:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F42227BF27B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16856-06 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:04:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-3.gradwell.net (lon-mail-3.gradwell.net [193.111.201.127]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8353C7BF2F8 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony*pop3^vanderhoff$org) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.262) id 474410b5.11e3a.cc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:04:21 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:04:17 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Change of email address Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 282 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 21 Nov at 10:12 Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > In message <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> > "Gerald OvPro" wrote: > > > Please ... > > > What is the method of unsubscribing one email address and subscribing a > > different one? > > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > > It is good practice for mailing lists to include unsubscription > information with every posting. For my lists, I have set up a footer file, > so the following lines are added to every posting: >[snip] I would look in the headers: List-unsubscribe: List-subscribe: Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:23:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuoUG-2jdVbs-04-EpH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:23:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuoUG-2jdVbs-04-EpH; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:15:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuoUG-2jdVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:15:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuoUF-0002NM-IM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:15:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BA627BDF8E; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27290-04; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F16CB7BE39F; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 110347BDF8E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27126-07 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCECF7BDF62 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IuoTX-00064I-Of for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:14:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:17:51 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD transfer Message-ID: References: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > >Any correctly burnt ISO CD can be read by your RiscPC. So, either your >CD drive is broken or you have made a mistake when burning the CD. At >a guess, you did not create an ISO CD. On re-writable media, Windows >burning programs offer an alternative format (UDF) that allows the CD >to be treated like a hard disc. RISC OS does not support UDF CDs. So, >try again and make sure you select ISO format. You might also want to >make sure that the CD is finalized/fixated/closed, whichever way your >burning program calls it (though this is not normally necessary for >RISC OS to read the CD). That solves a problem I've just come across! Thanks Martin David > >Martin -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:32:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuojV-2jIVbs-07-Ea2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:32:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuojV-2jIVbs-07-Ea2; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:31:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuojV-2jIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:31:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuojV-0004iJ-18 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:31:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E68907BF62A; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30113-01; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F28F7BF64E; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:30:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3BC37BF62A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29903-03 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEB5F7BF5E0 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iuoii-000MOt-1k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:30:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:28:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD transfer References: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >I burnt a CD and the RiscPC showed that it was empty though CDBurn says >that it has 250Mb. Two things that I've seen happen. Firstly the CD drives on some machines are old and can't read re-writable media. Second there are CDs that RISC OS 4 can't read and for this reason RISC OS Ltd. have had the CDFS from RISC OS 3.70 on there web site so that you can revert to it. From: http://support.riscos.com/Support/Updates/CDFSSoftATAPI37.zip "The RISC OS 3.7 version of the CDFSSoftATAPI driver which can be used to replace the in-built RISC OS 4 CD-ROM driver if you are having problems with Mode 2 discs (Photo-CD and others). To activate it you must *unplug cdfssoftatapi from the command line (press F12). " -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 12:42:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iuoki-3G8000-02-EYp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:42:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iuoki-3G8000-02-EYp; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:32:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iuoki-3G8000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:32:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iuokh-0004kZ-PP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:32:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 080567BF65E; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30362-01; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B484D7BF637; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96C7B7BF62A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30169-06 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 637527BF63B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iuok1-000MvD-2O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:31:41 +0000 Message-ID: <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:30:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 285 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >The documents make extensive use of Tablemate not for its >spreadsheet facility buts ability to create tables with pictures >as well as text. > >Is there anything in the Windows world that will do the job? I would guess someone has done a table editor for Windows - probably there are millions. One trick is that you can copy/paste from Excel - it saves things as Windows meta files to the clipboard. I presume that also works with free versions like Open Office. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 17:24:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuqRg-3Nuknw-06-Crr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:24:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuqRg-3Nuknw-06-Crr; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:20:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuqRg-3Nuknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:20:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuqRb-0001HC-Ia for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:20:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D01077BFA86; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17133-01; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88BFC7BFA61; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9A3F7BF947 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16928-09 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 060DC7BF985 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A447F1C0008C for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:19:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from rachael (user-5af2ad78.tcl126.dsl.pol.co.uk [90.242.173.120]) by mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D92E1C0008A for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:19:38 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20071121141938383.5D92E1C0008A@mwinf3417.me.freeserve.com From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD transfer Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:19:36 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711211419.37185.freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On Wednesday 21 November 2007 09:13:15 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> > > Peter Prewett wrote: > > I know it is a little of topic. > > > > I have to transfer jpegs from the PC to Ovation on my RiscPC. > > > > I burnt a CD and the RiscPC showed that it was empty though > > CDBurn says that it has 250Mb. > > Any correctly burnt ISO CD can be read by your RiscPC. So, either your > CD drive is broken or you have made a mistake when burning the CD. At > a guess, you did not create an ISO CD. On re-writable media, Windows > burning programs offer an alternative format (UDF) that allows the CD > to be treated like a hard disc. RISC OS does not support UDF CDs. So, > try again and make sure you select ISO format. You might also want to > make sure that the CD is finalized/fixated/closed, whichever way your > burning program calls it (though this is not normally necessary for > RISC OS to read the CD). The other day I wanted to load some files from an Acorn CD onto my Linux PC, but I couldn't get it to mount. Is there a specific format of CD-ROM for Acorn (RISC OS) machines? JOOI the CDs were the Acorn Replay ones which I doubt I would be able to view in Linux anyway? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 18:04:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IutqE-4Q8knw-06-9TJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:04:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IutqE-4Q8knw-06-9TJ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:58:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IutqE-4Q8knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:58:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IutqE-00074l-8Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:58:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CE527BF601; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26163-03; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED5867BF69A; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D53A7BF7E1 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23092-03 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE9F87BF7C9 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id lALEs6dU022987 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:54:07 GMT Received: from GeraldC2D (cpc2-swin1-0-0-cust799.sol2.cable.ntl.com [81.109.87.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lALEs6Fp022979 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:54:06 GMT Message-ID: <006001c82c4e$5d5482f0$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> From: "Gerald OvPro" To: References: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Change of email address Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:54:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 287 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gerald.ovpro@abacusline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:12 AM, Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> What is the method of unsubscribing one email address and subscribing a >> different one? > > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling Thanks for this information. If this posting gets through then I have sucessfully changed my email address for this list. Thanks again. Gerald From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 21 18:24:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IuuAK-0huGPo-02-99D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:24:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IuuAK-0huGPo-02-99D; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:19:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IuuAK-0huGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:19:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IuuAK-0004I0-9c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:19:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7034C7BFAAA; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29922-03; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C83D7BFBA9; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:18:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 605187BFB25 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29786-01 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2966B7BFAAA for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iuu9b-000LGS-5f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:18:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9i3n8ZBkYHRHFwa9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:17:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Change of email address References: <00b401c82bce$59ef6e20$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> <006001c82c4e$5d5482f0$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> In-Reply-To: <006001c82c4e$5d5482f0$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <006001c82c4e$5d5482f0$6401a8c0@GeraldC2D>, Gerald OvPro writes >On Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:12 AM, >Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >>> What is the method of unsubscribing one email address and subscribing a >>> different one? >> >> http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > >Thanks for this information. > >If this posting gets through then I have sucessfully changed my email >address for this list. Um, well, it was bounced to me as list admin, because it came from a non-subscribed address. You seem to have made no changes, so I've made them for you. It should be OK now. I think I need to adopt Martin's solution about including sub/unsub info. That was one of the first things we added to the list long ago, but since forgotten. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 22 11:26:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iuz5U-0Nz000-05-CkZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:26:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iuz5U-0Nz000-05-CkZ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:34:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iuz5U-0Nz000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:34:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iuz5T-0002Kg-M2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:34:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 174EC7BF752; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24603-10; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7A3A7BF6B3; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:33:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 949CC7BF75B for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24446-05 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ED9A7BF752 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach ([91.64.216.37]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwpI-1Iuz4m3MwG-0006tk; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:33:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD transfer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:31:27 +0100 Message-ID: <175774454f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4743C674.3010702@internode.on.net> <200711211419.37185.freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200711211419.37185.freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/siQL+5FOHzr5EvKVsYH+TbbKyotMWuMk0/im T4gXOGpG+eE5pyqX6trNOxvEYxVsog9GNY7oQEfsIhhw63T138 S48jjpTXMZEXXAEeCKXeGGNaDxGQSWm X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 289 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <200711211419.37185.freelists@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> Mark Fraser wrote: > The other day I wanted to load some files from an Acorn CD onto my Linux PC, > but I couldn't get it to mount. Is there a specific format of CD-ROM for > Acorn (RISC OS) machines? No. RISC OS can only handle ISO format CDs (with some extensions to handle file types, but these are ignored by non RISC OS machines). > JOOI the CDs were the Acorn Replay ones which I > doubt I would be able to view in Linux anyway? Exactly. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 22 20:06:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvIBq-0laVbs-04-AhF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:06:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvIBq-0laVbs-04-AhF; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:58:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvIBq-0laVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:58:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvIBq-0007WL-7g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81D507C098A; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20884-04; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 409C07C09E2; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:57:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FF077C03D0 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20669-04 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 741BD7BEC05 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071122195745.SRZX25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:57:45 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20071122195739.SYWM29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:57:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:10:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro for Mac? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4f44d5e8a0mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Tue 20 Nov, Martin Longley wrote: > Hi > > I've said it before but.... > > OVPro written in Java and running in ANY browser (that supported Java) > would be a killer app. If you want to see what can be done got to > www.j2e.com Why browsers? Plenty of software written in Java runs outside a browser. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 12:18:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvXM1-3aaVbs-05-Ca6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:18:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvXM1-3aaVbs-05-Ca6; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:09:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvXM1-3aaVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:09:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvXM0-0002Da-9I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:09:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4C767C0715; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28795-10; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6697D7C0124; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E7E57C0651 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28628-06 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DCAB7BFACF for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IvXLG-000LNw-CI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:09:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:07:53 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 References: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 291 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt writes >The fault could easily lie on either side: the RAM XFer code in IcnClipBrd >had been commented out since I took over the module, and -- although I've >gone through it all carefully and tested it as much as possible -- there's >a possibility that it was disabled for a reason. Just to keep everyone up to date. Entirely due to Steve Fryatt's efforts the problem with icnclipbrd is now solved. I'll produce a new version of OP for RISC OS soon which fixes the problem. The ram transfer code in OP has been making assumptions about the behaviour of other programs which are not justified by the Acorn specification of the protocol. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 12:28:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvXb0-4QFknw-02-CL7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:28:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvXb0-4QFknw-02-CL7; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:25:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvXb0-4QFknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:25:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvXaz-00066c-II for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:25:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3D017BC247; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31874-02; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5CE07C02AB; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:24:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D50FA7BC247 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31583-05 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B6677BF33A for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IvXaH-00015k-P6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:24:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:23:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 References: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , David Pilling writes >The ram transfer code in OP has been making assumptions about the >behaviour of other programs which are not justified by the Acorn >specification of the protocol. It's a bug. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 12:48:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvXpM-1Rkknw-06-C6l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:48:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvXpM-1Rkknw-06-C6l; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvXpM-1Rkknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvXpM-0004QJ-1W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 668DA7C0570; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01974-05; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27CF77C0553; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:39:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D65627C05E3 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01784-08 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83CCA7C055F for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-146-10.as15444.net [82.163.146.10]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lANCd7CA009491 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:39:08 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: icnclipbrd 0.12 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:34:12 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f42515281Paul@sprie.nl> <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 23 Nov 2007 David Pilling wrote: > In message <2fd661424f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt > writes >>The fault could easily lie on either side: the RAM XFer code in IcnClipBrd >>had been commented out since I took over the module, and -- although I've >>gone through it all carefully and tested it as much as possible -- there's >>a possibility that it was disabled for a reason. > Just to keep everyone up to date. Entirely due to Steve Fryatt's efforts > the problem with icnclipbrd is now solved. > I'll produce a new version of OP for RISC OS soon which fixes the > problem. > The ram transfer code in OP has been making assumptions about the > behaviour of other programs which are not justified by the Acorn > specification of the protocol. Excellent, and very many thanks. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 17:58:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvcmK-18uVbs-07-FgJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:58:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvcmK-18uVbs-07-FgJ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:57:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvcmK-18uVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:57:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvcmK-0004L0-Fs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:57:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCA797BF1D9; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17273-06; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C2077C0083; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:56:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE3CF7BF1D9 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17055-07 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 094007BF8EC for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 55068 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2007 17:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.156.34.127 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2007 17:56:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sJaYG2QVM1nfXwECx4v9f.s0V.Y5.azXuUBPUEIqh54naZAQFAmm4sQOzGSEmMqZL2P_nkF12A-- Message-ID: <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:56:38 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes >> The documents make extensive use of Tablemate not for its >> spreadsheet facility buts ability to create tables with pictures >> as well as text. >> >> Is there anything in the Windows world that will do the job? > > I would guess someone has done a table editor for Windows - probably > there are millions. One trick is that you can copy/paste from Excel - it > saves things as Windows meta files to the clipboard. I presume that also > works with free versions like Open Office. Can you? What's the trick? I have never managed to import an emf file into OPW. Is there a filter that has to be loaded first? Cutting and pasting from the Windows clipboard into an OPW frame only seems to transfer the text, not borders or images. On the other hand, I can cut and paste from an Excel spreadsheet (table or graph) into Adobe Illustrator, where the text and paths remain editable. I often create graphs in Excel, copy them into AI, "tweak" them, then export as eps or tiff(etc.). Can you do that with ArtWorks, I wonder ...? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 18:18:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivd0g-18QGPo-06-FRx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:18:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivd0g-18QGPo-06-FRx; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:12:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivd0g-18QGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:12:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivd0f-0005Yy-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:12:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 515FD7C04D9; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19509-05; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E4957C0A05; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6B47C04D9 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19388-06 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86FD67BFFBE for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ivd00-0003iX-AE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:11:32 +0000 Message-ID: <919XZDFOexRHFw7R@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:10:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >>there are millions. One trick is that you can copy/paste from Excel - >>it saves >Can you? What's the trick? Good question. Set off pasting in to a picture frame? (to get a picture frame set off with a picture in it). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 19:38:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IveHn-2JXGPo-07-EAq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:38:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IveHn-2JXGPo-07-EAq; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:33:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IveHn-2JXGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:33:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IveHn-0006eG-Bx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:33:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB2C77C00F9; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31368-01; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E6B37BF9F5; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 787AF7BFEC1 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31074-02 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.135]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1E467BFDF7 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:33:15 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADO6Rkd5LAX4/2dsb2JhbAAI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,459,1188743400"; d="scan'208";a="192793474" Received: from ppp121-44-5-248.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.5.248]) by ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2007 06:03:12 +1030 Message-ID: <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 06:33:16 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes >> The documents make extensive use of Tablemate not for its >> spreadsheet facility buts ability to create tables with pictures >> as well as text. >> >> Is there anything in the Windows world that will do the job? > > I would guess someone has done a table editor for Windows - probably > there are millions. One trick is that you can copy/paste from Excel - it > saves things as Windows meta files to the clipboard. I presume that also > works with free versions like Open Office. > Does not look like it, only found SmartDraw which is over the top for as an equivalent to TableMate more does charting a graphs, floorplans etc. Need Tablemate to be ported now if I was a programmer, or its features incorporated into OVP!! Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 20:08:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivemj-3Tfknw-03-Dfu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:08:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivemj-3Tfknw-03-Dfu; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:05:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivemj-3Tfknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:05:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivemj-0004Nz-EB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:05:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F37E97C03DE; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03820-03; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B59637C03FF; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D91D7C03DE for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03702-01 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B0817C02C8 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Ivem3-0006ng-NG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:05:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:04:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative Message-ID: <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 23 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: > Need Tablemate to be ported now if I was a programmer, or its > features incorporated into OVP!! Whilst you are writing a version of TableMate for Windows could you also produce a 32-bitted version for RISC OS? ;-) -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 22:18:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivgiv-0OLGPo-02-Bji.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:18:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivgiv-0OLGPo-02-Bji; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:10:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivgiv-0OLGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:10:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivgiv-00004T-7S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:10:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 917837C04BD; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23942-10; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D7177C04A5; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:09:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EF2F7BFE0B for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23804-02 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA86D7BFE0E for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:09:25 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 630212776-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.217.157 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dfs@ukgateway.net X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FANPdRkdYadmd/2dsb2JhbACBWw Received: from 88-105-217-157.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.217.157]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 23 Nov 2007 22:09:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:09:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative Message-ID: <4f46747c4ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > > writes > >> The documents make extensive use of Tablemate not for its > >> spreadsheet facility buts ability to create tables with pictures > >> as well as text. > >> > >> Is there anything in the Windows world that will do the job? > > > > I would guess someone has done a table editor for Windows - probably > > there are millions. One trick is that you can copy/paste from Excel - > > it saves things as Windows meta files to the clipboard. I presume > > that also works with free versions like Open Office. > > > Does not look like it, only found SmartDraw which is over the top > for as an equivalent to TableMate more does charting a graphs, > floorplans etc. > Need Tablemate to be ported now if I was a programmer, or its > features incorporated into OVP!! > Peter As David has already explained, create a graphic frame in OvPro, then copy and paste from Excel or OpenOffice into the OvPro graphic frame, it's as easy as that. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 23 23:54:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvgvK-2Dgknw-07-BXJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:54:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvgvK-2Dgknw-07-BXJ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:22:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvgvK-2Dgknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:22:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvgvI-0004D4-19 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:22:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 718A17C05AF; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26555-02; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 330FB7C0612; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B8337C05AF for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26278-03-2 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 190697C0574 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Ivgua-0003mw-PK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:22:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:21:46 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >Whilst you are writing a version of TableMate for Windows could you also >produce a 32-bitted version for RISC OS? ;-) did that saga never conclude (i.e. getting the source code off the author). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 12:15:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvieE-1l5Vbs-07-9oP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:15:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvieE-1l5Vbs-07-9oP; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:13:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvieE-1l5Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:13:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvieD-00035a-Mh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:13:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B55D7C046E; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11753-09; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D12C77C074A; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:12:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E7CD7C046E for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11682-03 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEF7A7BFF5F for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IvidW-0009Mj-3l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:12:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:13:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative Message-ID: <4f467fd543john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 23 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes > >Whilst you are writing a version of TableMate for Windows could you also > >produce a 32-bitted version for RISC OS? ;-) > did that saga never conclude (i.e. getting the source code off > the author). No. After OPro and Draw/ArtWorks it's my favourite app - and I'm very unhappy that I've not got anywhere with those enquiries. So close. ;-( -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.qercus.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 12:17:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvrvZ-0vyGPo-07-93a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:17:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvrvZ-0vyGPo-07-93a; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:07:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvrvZ-0vyGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:07:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvrvZ-00034J-33 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:07:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 850937C00D5; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09548-02; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 436E17C0013; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB3177C0108 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09279-07 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 7EE477C008A for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 58402 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 10:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (cbonsall@btinternet.com@81.156.34.127 with plain) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 10:07:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yDOv6JgVM1kWuR5njx9EdgwFq16XtyonIq8MvvgaVewlfZspNwXd9a.KI2gmn0OhVa2zrJ7aZWGmqHgtF85ADaeOrZeh Message-ID: <4747F7CF.4060606@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:07:11 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> <919XZDFOexRHFw7R@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <919XZDFOexRHFw7R@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>> there are millions. One trick is that you can copy/paste from Excel - >>> it saves >> Can you? What's the trick? > > Good question. Set off pasting in to a picture frame? > > (to get a picture frame set off with a picture in it). Thanks, I never knew that. So what happens to the original picture that's dropped into the frame ... just disappears? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 12:17:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivtkg-4ae000-04-Fkz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:17:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivtkg-4ae000-04-Fkz; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:04:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivtkg-4ae000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:04:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivtkg-00023s-Eo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:04:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCEFC7BFBBB; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23515-03; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F0B17BFB31; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5848D7BFBBB for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23219-04 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-gs5dmrelay.mistral.net (lon-gs5dmrelay.mistral.net [217.154.131.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBA987BFB14 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [89.240.15.8] (helo=riscube) by lon-gs5dmrelay.mistral.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ivtjy-0003o0-9L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:04:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:26:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative Message-ID: <4f46bd7e8crichtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > On the other hand, I can cut and paste from an Excel spreadsheet (table > or graph) into Adobe Illustrator, where the text and paths remain > editable. I often create graphs in Excel, copy them into AI, "tweak" > them, then export as eps or tiff(etc.). Can you do that with ArtWorks, I > wonder ...? Eureka>Save as Draw>Artworks- "tweak">Export in a variety of formats. Works for me! R -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 12:35:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivu4k-0lLknw-04-FQv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:35:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivu4k-0lLknw-04-FQv; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:25:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivu4k-0lLknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:25:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivu4k-0001WN-AU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:25:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7E677C03E1; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26459-02; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79C1B7C0318; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8639F7C03E1 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26245-08 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54D117C018D for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ivu43-000Exv-9Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:24:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:23:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> <919XZDFOexRHFw7R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4747F7CF.4060606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4747F7CF.4060606@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4747F7CF.4060606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Thanks, I never knew that. So what happens to the original picture >that's dropped into the frame ... just disappears? Yes, just like when you drop any picture into a frame that already contains a picture. Which reminds me of someone who always deleted pictures before dropping another into their frame. Of course it could be a deep question, what really happens to the picture, can black holes destroy information. Anyone who has seen Windows corrupt its file system knows the answer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 12:55:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvuTC-1pDknw-04-F2T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:55:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvuTC-1pDknw-04-F2T; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:50:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvuTC-1pDknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:50:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvuTB-0007kU-G2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:50:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFC8C7C04AA; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29730-03; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CA3C7BFFB7; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BD7A7BFBC6 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29504-03 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E5A7B7BFF28 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10018 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 12:50:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.156.34.127 with plain) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 12:50:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QY7YK7kVM1ku_cycpefeFHzPUy5x5MaO1vNGYfP9ZRfiMV0B Message-ID: <47481DFD.9010005@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:50:05 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> <919XZDFOexRHFw7R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4747F7CF.4060606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4747F7CF.4060606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Thanks, I never knew that. So what happens to the original picture >> that's dropped into the frame ... just disappears? > > Yes, just like when you drop any picture into a frame that already > contains a picture. > > Which reminds me of someone who always deleted pictures before dropping > another into their frame. Hmm, I wonder who that was? ;) -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 13:55:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvvLP-12vGPo-03-EAG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:55:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvvLP-12vGPo-03-EAG; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:46:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvvLP-12vGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:46:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvvLK-00038B-KI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F84A7C0664; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08115-01; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 229717C0170; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:45:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90BA87C0664 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:45:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06635-04 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63DD17C0514 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071124134548.VVSQ25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:45:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.84] (really [86.9.32.14]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071124134558.RFIV26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.84]> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:45:58 +0000 Message-ID: <47482B11.9050509@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:45:53 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain John Cartmell wrote: > On 23 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: >> Need Tablemate to be ported now if I was a programmer, or its >> features incorporated into OVP!! > > Whilst you are writing a version of TableMate for Windows could you also > produce a 32-bitted version for RISC OS? ;-) > Runs ok on my Iyonix with Aemulor [ 2.32 ]if I load the ImageConv module first . Ian From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 13:55:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvvPU-2F1GPo-02-E6B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvvPU-2F1GPo-02-E6B; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:51:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvvPU-2F1GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:51:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvvPU-0000UE-LP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:51:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29D5F7C06DB; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09130-08; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE6E17C074A; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:50:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE3EC7C06DB for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09072-02 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 779467C0170 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62265 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 13:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.156.34.127 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 13:50:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HF1YuJsVM1kDh8i.k1MQMM8rmhPeccnKbgFKuBCcclIOXlpfSruWhCdNhLqbhV10Gd7lNWcEwg-- Message-ID: <47482C19.8030002@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:50:17 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> <4f46bd7e8crichtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <4f46bd7e8crichtm@uwclub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Richard Travers wrote: > In article <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> On the other hand, I can cut and paste from an Excel spreadsheet (table >> or graph) into Adobe Illustrator, where the text and paths remain >> editable. I often create graphs in Excel, copy them into AI, "tweak" >> them, then export as eps or tiff(etc.). Can you do that with ArtWorks, I >> wonder ...? > > Eureka>Save as Draw>Artworks- "tweak">Export in a variety of formats. Ah yes, of course. It's a long time since I've used Eureka (in its time, more than a match for Excel). But as far as I can see any pictures dropped into Eureka don't export with the Draw file. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 14:35:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivvzh-0Sw000-03-DVy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:35:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivvzh-0Sw000-03-DVy; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:28:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivvzh-0Sw000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:28:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivvzh-0005ss-AX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:28:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BACA97C057E; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13013-07; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7740E7C0582; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:27:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEB8D7C057E for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12876-10 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-gs5dmrelay.mistral.net (lon-gs5dmrelay.mistral.net [217.154.131.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C63E7C050C for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [89.240.15.8] (helo=riscube) by lon-gs5dmrelay.mistral.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ivvz0-0002FI-95 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:27:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:20:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative Message-ID: <4f46cd6dd8richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <47482C19.8030002@ed.ac.uk> References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> <4f46bd7e8crichtm@uwclub.net> <47482C19.8030002@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 X-No-Archive:yes Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richtm@uwclub.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <47482C19.8030002@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Richard Travers wrote: > > In article <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > >> On the other hand, I can cut and paste from an Excel spreadsheet (table > >> or graph) into Adobe Illustrator, where the text and paths remain > >> editable. I often create graphs in Excel, copy them into AI, "tweak" > >> them, then export as eps or tiff(etc.). Can you do that with ArtWorks, I > >> wonder ...? > > > > Eureka>Save as Draw>Artworks- "tweak">Export in a variety of formats. > Ah yes, of course. It's a long time since I've used Eureka (in its time, > more than a match for Excel). But as far as I can see any pictures > dropped into Eureka don't export with the Draw file. If by pictures you mean charts, then they do have to be separate chart documents (New Document>Chart) to be exported as Draw files. I've never tried to import any other type of picture into Eureka. I don't use Eureka much nowadays, usually relying on Open Office Calc on the other side of the machine. R -- Richard Travers richtm@uwclub.net Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 15:25:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IvwmJ-4XU000-02-CjM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:25:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IvwmJ-4XU000-02-CjM; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:18:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IvwmJ-4XU000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:18:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IvwmE-0000dw-FZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:18:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B1C87C07B1; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20455-04; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 483707C0783; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:17:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33CB17C0662 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20309-06 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 05B587C0566 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20490 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2007 15:17:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.156.34.127 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2007 15:17:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ii7Qd_QVM1mUZCofba6TytR0MbscBD_IHy57bZZhalkvjDsgmJr_vrN1opiwJwd_ePk8BRQjKQ-- Message-ID: <47484099.1030700@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:17:45 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk> <4f46bd7e8crichtm@uwclub.net> <47482C19.8030002@ed.ac.uk> <4f46cd6dd8richtm@uwclub.net> In-Reply-To: <4f46cd6dd8richtm@uwclub.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Richard Travers wrote: > In article <47482C19.8030002@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Richard Travers wrote: >>> In article <47471456.8040409@ed.ac.uk>, >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>>> On the other hand, I can cut and paste from an Excel spreadsheet (table >>>> or graph) into Adobe Illustrator, where the text and paths remain >>>> editable. I often create graphs in Excel, copy them into AI, "tweak" >>>> them, then export as eps or tiff(etc.). Can you do that with ArtWorks, I >>>> wonder ...? >>> Eureka>Save as Draw>Artworks- "tweak">Export in a variety of formats. > >> Ah yes, of course. It's a long time since I've used Eureka (in its time, >> more than a match for Excel). But as far as I can see any pictures >> dropped into Eureka don't export with the Draw file. > > If by pictures you mean charts, then they do have to be separate chart > documents (New Document>Chart) to be exported as Draw files. > > I've never tried to import any other type of picture into Eureka. No, I meant any bitmaps or vector images. They can be imported into Eureka documents, but not (I think) exported directly in draw format along with the other spreadsheet data. But this is now off topic ... -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 18:45:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ivzu5-2yXVbs-06-9ba.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:45:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ivzu5-2yXVbs-06-9ba; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:38:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ivzu5-2yXVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:38:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ivzu4-000716-OW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:38:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A66017C073B; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14581-02; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 672EB7C0735; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8CFD7C03F1 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14414-07 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77AAB7C017A for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.49.20.172] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IvztM-0005wn-Mu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:38:12 +0000 Message-ID: <6zH24VDp8GSHFwSm@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:36:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP RISC OS Colour Supplement 1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, It has been pointed out to me, that the scrolling pane in the print screen window of Ovation Pro for RISC OS is floating around detached from the screen window. This is controlled by the template file in the colour supplement. I've corrected it in a new version at: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/applets/files/colsup.zip If you've not noticed this problem I wouldn't bother about upgrading. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 24 18:55:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iw08l-4dlknw-07-9Mu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:55:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iw08l-4dlknw-07-9Mu; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:54:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iw08l-4dlknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:54:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iw08j-0005iQ-5s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:54:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A52EC7C080E; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16966-10; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64B587C07D9; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:53:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3942D7C07A5 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16769-04 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FCB97C0760 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071124185326.ZTZI25022.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:53:26 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20071124185322.KCFA17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:53:22 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c82ecb$451a4f10$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <4743C3D2.6070509@internode.on.net> <23I1JaBZTCRHFwrg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47472AFC.5000407@internode.on.net> <4f46691113john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <47482B11.9050509@ntlworld.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tablemate alternative Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:53:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 310 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Ian A Dunn wrote: > John Cartmell wrote: >> On 23 Nov, Peter Prewett wrote: >>> Need Tablemate to be ported now if I was a programmer, or its >>> features incorporated into OVP!! >> >> Whilst you are writing a version of TableMate for Windows could you also >> produce a 32-bitted version for RISC OS? ;-) >> > > Runs ok on my Iyonix with Aemulor [ 2.32 ]if I load the ImageConv module > first . > Yes- it /works/ OK but AFAIA nobody (effectively) maintains or even has the source code. That makes a package on which many of us depend very fragile. (Just thought I'd let you know I'm still here!) John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 27 18:12:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iwy0W-4Gfknw-06-9Al.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:12:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iwy0W-4Gfknw-06-9Al; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:49:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iwy0W-4Gfknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:49:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iwy0V-0000QU-Sz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:49:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73C2F7C1683; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32612-08; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33F4C7C1740; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:48:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AEC57C1683 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32392-01 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E17F57C1519 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 173.206.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.206.173] helo=riscpc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Iwxzq-0007j4-5o for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:48:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Halftone scanning To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dave Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:45:17 GMT Message-ID: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4930/Tue Nov 27 09:03:33 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davebarnett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain A halftone b/w picture that I am trying to scan (DPlngScan 1.24) ends up with a mottled appearance. I can clear this from the lighter sky part but not the main image. If it is relevant, the picture was published in a journal in 1939. ISTR that this was covered here some time ago. Is there a fix? -- Dave Keep GMT all year From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 27 18:22:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ix51i-0K5GPo-04-Ag5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:22:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ix51i-0K5GPo-04-Ag5; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:19:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ix51i-0K5GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:19:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ix51h-0004ZT-FV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:19:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72FEA7C3372; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02784-01; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3096F7C32EB; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:18:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 844847C308A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02614-05 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 334357C32A9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ix50y-0005ei-Be for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:18:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:17:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk>, Dave Barnett writes >A halftone b/w picture that I am trying to scan (DPlngScan 1.24) ends >up with a mottled appearance. I can clear this from the lighter sky >part but not the main image. If it is relevant, the picture was >published in a journal in 1939. >ISTR that this was covered here some time ago. Is there a fix? DplngScan is not the thing, TWAIN is what does the scanning. I guess the "superscale" feature in TWAIN is what you're after. See the TWAIN 2 manual. Much depends on which scanner you've got. You may need to set up the optical resolution in the TWAIN driver before using superscale. Let us know how you go on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 27 20:52:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ix7L2-43iVbs-02-GtH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:52:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ix7L2-43iVbs-02-GtH; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:47:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ix7L2-43iVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:47:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ix7L1-0006qS-K4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:47:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2142E7C2D98; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25202-09; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D70477C2E61; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC53C7C2D98 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25101-05 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.216]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 732DA7C2DF2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 124-197-12-254.callplus.net.nz ([124.197.12.254] helo=XPHOMEPC) by mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net with SMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1Ix7KH-00078E-K1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:46:37 +1300 Message-ID: <001301c83136$9ad144a0$0201a8c0@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:46:36 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 313 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain >A halftone b/w picture that I am trying to scan (DPlngScan 1.24) ends > up with a mottled appearance. I can clear this from the lighter sky > part but not the main image. If it is relevant, the picture was > published in a journal in 1939. > > ISTR that this was covered here some time ago. Is there a fix? > Is the mottling seen only on screen or is it apparent in a printout? If the former it seems to be caused by a reaction between the halftone screen and the screen resolution I can usually get rid of it by applying a 3 pixel gausian blur without losing too much crispness Dan McCarthy From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 27 20:52:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ix7Ni-2Ezknw-04-Gqb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:52:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ix7Ni-2Ezknw-04-Gqb; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ix7Ni-2Ezknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ix7Nf-00061A-2Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B2A87C33F8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26130-08; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B2287C329E; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD0677C3177 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25935-08 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50DCB7C2FC2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-91-28.as15444.net [82.163.91.28]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lARKn2tT005795 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:49:03 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:49:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning Message-ID: <4f487c8932john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 314 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > A halftone b/w picture that I am trying to scan (DPlngScan 1.24) ends > up with a mottled appearance. I've had this problem, and usually manage to get a reasonable result using the processing in DPlngScan (median or average, I forget which) sometimes applied twice. It loses resolution (but it's arguable whether the picture information, as opposed to the quantisation noise, had that much anyway). I recall having to fiddle with the scanner resolution as well to get the best results - probably to avoid any low spatial frequency fringing. The cases where I have failed have been very small images where the whole picture was no more than 100 pixels wide. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 27 20:52:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ix7OM-4erknw-06-Gpx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:52:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ix7OM-4erknw-06-Gpx; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ix7OM-4erknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ix7OF-0007LG-9c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B53D7C347F; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26288-01-2; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDEBB7C3494; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 512CA7C2E35 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26097-10 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDA667C3288 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 173.206.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.206.173] helo=riscpc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix7NU-0003LH-6s for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:49:56 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dave Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:48:06 GMT Message-ID: References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4933/Tue Nov 27 19:10:57 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 315 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davebarnett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a recent message David Pilling wrote: > In message <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk>, Dave Barnett > writes >>A halftone b/w picture that I am trying to scan (DPlngScan 1.24) ends >>up with a mottled appearance. I can clear this from the lighter sky >>part but not the main image. If it is relevant, the picture was >>published in a journal in 1939. >>ISTR that this was covered here some time ago. Is there a fix? > > DplngScan is not the thing, TWAIN is what does the scanning. > > I guess the "superscale" feature in TWAIN is what you're after. See the > TWAIN 2 manual. Much depends on which scanner you've got. You may need > to set up the optical resolution in the TWAIN driver before using > superscale. > > Let us know how you go on. > As far as I was concerned DplngScan and TWAIN were joined at the hip. I am using a RPC-SA 128+1M RISC OS 4.39, Scanner Mustek 600 CP. You can see that I am not expecting miracles. Checking the TWAIN module reveals that it is 0.00 (30 Nov 1993). I was not aware of any updates. The best result is obtained using 100dpi Grey with Superscale, dither makes no difference. This is very acceptable. Mottling is no longer apparent (as scanned). Many thanks for your help. -- Dave Keep GMT all year From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 27 21:12:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ix7aj-1bpknw-07-Gda.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:12:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ix7aj-1bpknw-07-Gda; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ix7aj-1bpknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ix7ae-0002P5-2D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C1FD7C1C65; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29113-10; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25AED7C29AA; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:02:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33A6C7C2327 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28594-07 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9E2A7C2316 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Ix7Zh-0003Wu-N5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:02:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:00:54 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 316 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Dave Barnett writes >As far as I was concerned DplngScan and TWAIN were joined at the hip. No you can use both of them without the other. >Checking the TWAIN module reveals that it is 0.00 (30 Nov 1993). I >was not aware of any updates. That is the TWAIN manager, common to all drivers, and as it turns out there are no new versions. >The best result is obtained using 100dpi Grey with Superscale, dither >makes no difference. This is very acceptable. Mottling is no longer >apparent (as scanned). Dan made a good point. Moire patterning can also be due to the monitor screen - the magnify tool in DPscan has a button "rational" which gets rid of such effects by displaying one image pixel per screen pixel. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 28 17:35:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IxJN0-1QTVbs-03-DNp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:35:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IxJN0-1QTVbs-03-DNp; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:38:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IxJN0-1QTVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:38:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IxJN0-0002U8-3D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:38:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8633D7C4852; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10782-04; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CAB07C4971; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:37:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0AA77C4852 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10590-08 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B99217C480F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 173.206.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.206.173] helo=riscpc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IxJMI-0004qN-Hh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:37:31 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dave Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:22:24 GMT Message-ID: <8775c1484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4934/Tue Nov 27 23:17:17 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 317 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davebarnett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In a recent message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Dave Barnett > writes >>As far as I was concerned DplngScan and TWAIN were joined at the hip. > > No you can use both of them without the other. I have used DpScan stand-alone to tweak images from a number of sources, very useful. My version of !TWAIN does not load to the iconbar, so I don't know its version or stand-alone capability. > [...] > >>The best result is obtained using 100dpi Grey with Superscale, dither >>makes no difference. This is very acceptable. Mottling is no longer >>apparent (as scanned). > > Dan made a good point. Moire patterning can also be due to the monitor > screen - the magnify tool in DPscan has a button "rational" which gets > rid of such effects by displaying one image pixel per screen pixel. > That has no effect. Increasing dpi above 100 increases problem. I am happy with results for this image. OT ? One thing that I have found for DPscan is that increasing the 'Next' bar on the Task display reduces the incidence of 'Type 5' errors. -- Dave Keep GMT all year From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 28 17:35:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IxK2p-3wH000-05-Ci0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:35:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IxK2p-3wH000-05-Ci0; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IxK2p-3wH000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IxK2p-0004Nd-5t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:21:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CCA97C2C48; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19120-06; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51EEB7C36AD; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:20:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 992967C39BA for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18942-03 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.215]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 629327C24CF for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1IxK28-0004sg-FL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:20:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:16:17 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning Message-ID: <6664c6484f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> <8775c1484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <8775c1484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 28 Nov, Dave Barnett wrote: > In a recent message David Pilling wrote: > > Dan made a good point. Moire patterning can also be due to the > > monitor screen - the magnify tool in DPscan has a button "rational" > > which gets rid of such effects by displaying one image pixel per > > screen pixel. > >=20 > That has no effect. Increasing dpi above 100 increases problem. I am=20 > happy with results for this image. >=20 > OT ? One thing that I have found for DPscan is that increasing the=20 > 'Next' bar on the Task display reduces the incidence of 'Type 5'=20 > errors. I would expect that the above problem and resolution only applies to screen images. When you print, there should be a significant improvements at 300 dpi compared to 100 dpi. (Unless your printer is a dot-matrix and restricted to 80 or so dpi.) --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 28 17:43:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IxQvy-29WVbs-05-ELN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:43:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IxQvy-29WVbs-05-ELN; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:42:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IxQvy-29WVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:42:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IxQvx-0001im-81 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:42:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61DC47C5FCD; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07129-08; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A0F47C5DFD; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E05FE7C5FCD for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07043-06 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A05587C5FC8 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1IxQvF-0007gz-NR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:42:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:40:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning References: <023645484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> <8775c1484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <8775c1484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 319 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <8775c1484f.Dave@nospam.davebarnett.me.uk>, Dave Barnett writes >My version of !TWAIN does not load to the >iconbar, so I don't know its version or stand-alone capability. If you have a TWAIN scanner driver window open - say you've clicked on Scan in DPScan, then you can press menu over it and get the driver's menu. This is the menu that lets you set up super scaling or pick which device the scanner is connected to. Anyway the first entry on that menu is Info and points to the usual sort of information about a program window. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 28 21:04:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IxTvh-0Ya000-03-BLe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:04:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IxTvh-0Ya000-03-BLe; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:54:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IxTvh-0Ya000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:54:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IxTvY-0005kT-2f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:54:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABD697C718C; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00931-01; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44A477C70B2; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:47:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DB257C6EC8 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00783-03 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8A647C7D68 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071128204259.BTCZ26125.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:42:59 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20071128204251.TSWY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:42:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:13:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Halftone scanning To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <6664c6484f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Wed 28 Nov, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 28 Nov, Dave Barnett wrote: > > > In a recent message David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > Dan made a good point. Moire patterning can also be due to the > > > monitor screen - the magnify tool in DPscan has a button "rational" > > > which gets rid of such effects by displaying one image pixel per > > > screen pixel. > > > > > That has no effect. Increasing dpi above 100 increases problem. I am > > happy with results for this image. > > > > OT ? One thing that I have found for DPscan is that increasing the > > 'Next' bar on the Task display reduces the incidence of 'Type 5' > > errors. > > I would expect that the above problem and resolution only applies to > screen images. When you print, there should be a significant > improvements at 300 dpi compared to 100 dpi. (Unless your printer is a > dot-matrix and restricted to 80 or so dpi.) > I usually scan at 150 dpi for a 600dpi printer and print with a half-tone screen of 90 lpi or 65 lpi if the output is to be reduced on a photocopier. If scanning for screen use I'd probably drop to 100 dpi or less. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk