From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 8 21:38:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlWJF-2VCVbs-03-AoQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 21:38:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlWJF-2VCVbs-03-AoQ; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:29:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlWJF-2VCVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:29:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlWJB-000575-4L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:29:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48EEA6DC638; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24284-04; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4B446DC954; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 May 2007 16:26:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB0CC6DC909 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24123-06 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E74F6DC8E9 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HlWID-000FX5-IA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:28:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:26:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >Yes. SparkFS implements an image filing system. The size limit for a >file handled using such a filing system is 2GB. In case SparkFS fails >to check for that limit it is not surprising that there is a crash. Well done Martin. Such large amounts of memory are bandied about these days, I never dreamt there was a limit in there. So if it needs saying there is no checking within SparkFS because I never knew there existed such a limit. Or perhaps I never imagined 2GB files would ever exist. I think I was still on a 40MB hard drive when I wrote SparkFS. >the overall RISC OS limit for file sizes in general is 4GB, so that is >a hard limit. That is less than the RAM (memory) on many PCs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 8 21:48:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlWWJ-3YjVbs-02-AbM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 21:48:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlWWJ-3YjVbs-02-AbM; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:42:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlWWJ-3YjVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:42:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlWWD-0002Xz-81 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:42:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71B516DCA02; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25954-04; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 135036DC9E7; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 May 2007 16:40:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B65996DC978 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25800-06 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47B056DC96C for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HlWVH-000DgW-9Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:41:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 21:40:19 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , David Pilling writes >In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes >>Yes. SparkFS implements an image filing system. The size limit for a >>file handled using such a filing system is 2GB. In case SparkFS fails Or you could turn off image filing system support in SparkFS... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 8 22:08:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlWnt-0sdVbs-01-AJm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 22:08:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlWnt-0sdVbs-01-AJm; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:01:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlWnt-0sdVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:01:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlWns-0006PG-Vo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:01:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44A406DC744; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28720-09; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D01316DC7EA; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 May 2007 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA0A96DC744 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28617-09 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BE836DC701 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.51.130.188] (port=57151 helo=smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HlWnC-0000Dd-4g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 23:00:18 +0200 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.157.167]:1030 helo=arnold) by smtp3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HlWn9-00033n-Lz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 23:00:15 +0200 Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:45:58 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In mailtje schreef je: > In message <6990e4df4e.arnold@arnold.> > Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > > > I wonder how it can be done to get a duotone picture from within Ovation > > for Windows, for example a colour with black and magenta, gets also > > a duotone in pdf. > > I tried al kind of settings but the picture in pdf always is a combination > > of the four proces colours (and not only black and magenta). > > > > Anyone some idea? > > What colour model is the picture in? I tried all kind of colour models. > If you use a CMYK bitmap, then it > should appear as such in the resulting PDF file, at least it does when > using the RISC OS version. But not when using the duotone function in Ovation. > In that case, a pixel that is defined to > consist of black and magenta only will only separate to the Black and > Magenta plate. If you use an RGB bitmap or a JPEG, then you have no > control over how the colours are eventually separated. I experimented with sprites (cmyk, rgb, indexed) but I can't get the duotone in pdf. Not with direct postcript and ignore printer features on ore with printing directly to the adobe pdf printer. Printing a cymk sprite in duotone gives only a black square. Using a duotone from PhotoShop could perhaps solve the problem, but this can only be saved as a psd-file, which cannot be imported in Ovation. And this of course would exclude the duotone function in Ovation (which should give faster results and leaves the picture in it's original state). thanks, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 8 22:18:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlX5B-1bMVbs-01-A2U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 22:18:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlX5B-1bMVbs-01-A2U; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlX5B-1bMVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:18:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlX57-00031U-4k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:18:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80C6F6D901A; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32046-02-2; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C84E6D94DB; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 May 2007 17:16:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89BFA6DB243 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31726-07 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB4C56DA3A5 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HlX3r-000MN4-Gg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 21:17:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 22:16:24 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >But not when using the duotone function in Ovation. Nick Kaijaks used to tell me I should do duotones in a different way, possibly he meant what you mean (perhaps there is a discussion in the mail list archives). I'm a bit confused because I assume that if you duotone an image in OP, you end up with a PostScript file which looks correct, i.e. the same as it does on screen. However the PostScript does not explicitly say "duotone this image". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 12:23:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlkF5-3Ms000-02-Dvc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 12:23:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlkF5-3Ms000-02-Dvc; Wed, 09 May 2007 11:21:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlkF5-3Ms000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 11:21:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlkF3-0007mt-Se for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 11:21:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30FB86DB0D7; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18332-07; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B94C26DB0C6; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 07:19:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 102236DB1B5 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18179-06 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 916036DA9F6 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 07:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070509112114.COTA2739.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 12:21:14 +0100 Received: from trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk ([86.20.172.234]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070509112114.RNNT219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 12:21:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [192.168.1.102]) by trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390F612002 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 12:21:12 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:21:29 +0100 From: Nick Kaijaks User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 394 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nick@kaijaks.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <6990e4df4e.arnold@arnold.> Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > I tried al kind of settings but the picture in pdf always is a combination > of the four proces colours (and not only black and magenta). Is the combination you see in the PDF looking like the right colour still? If it's starting with only black and magenta, it probably shouldn't be GCR or UCR that's affecting it. I wonder if it's an ink setup thing (if that exists in OPW)? I seem to recall a similar thing happening years back with a JPEG image inside an artworks file - the artworks file would appear to tint, but the JPEG part wouldn't. Something like that anyway. As an aside, the thing I asked about years back was true duotones. As I recall at the time, OP had a hybrid of monotones and duotones. In a normal monotone, you throw away the colour info of the image and use only the luminosity - effectively treat the image as a greyscale - but then re-colour it, with the level of new tint depending on the level of grey. Often, you add a curve to the relationship so that the tint is not linear with luminosity, eg it could be stronger at the darker end. Sepia print is an example of real-world monotone. A true duotone (or tritone) lets you add other colours in, each with their own curve relating their tint to luminosity. Using it, you can end up with quite subtle colouring. As I recall in OP, you have two different colours as endpoints, and create a single curve between them. It's not as subtle an effect, and not as flexible as a duotone, but it shouldn't introduce any other colours either... TTFN, Nick From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 14:03:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hllgh-2THVbs-02-CU0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 14:03:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hllgh-2THVbs-02-CU0; Wed, 09 May 2007 12:54:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hllgh-2THVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 12:54:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hllgg-0001JV-P3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 12:54:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F21016DCDB0; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27381-06; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C15E6DCD20; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 08:52:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE3B16DCE2E for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27255-01 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 098726DCDB0 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 08:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Hllfy1RHv-0008JZ; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:53:50 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:53:46 +0200 Message-ID: <3c1d4ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+iO8+YJclqY2DW15dfv8toptZ8lzflhkkTGca XsUOKqQ8SHBOvDAHO5eP5d5HGYY0Pr+viVJv4Bn8usA0eZopdN YvdexaaWXXH99lsPEKMLBr2Ifg8hZKE X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Arnold van der Heijden > writes >>But not when using the duotone function in Ovation. Ah, now I see. I missed the fact that you were referring to OP's duotone feature (as opposed to having an image that just happens to be duotone to begin with). > Nick Kaijaks used to tell me I should do duotones in a different way, > possibly he meant what you mean (perhaps there is a discussion in the > mail list archives). > > I'm a bit confused because I assume that if you duotone an image in OP, > you end up with a PostScript file which looks correct, i.e. the same as > it does on screen. Yes, but the question is what colour model OP uses to send that picture to PostScript? From Arnold's experience (and from what I see in the RISC OS version) I guess, it ends up as RGB, which is wrong. > However the PostScript does not explicitly say "duotone this image". No, but that is not the problem. The problem is that the colour model of the resulting image should match the colour model of the duotone start and end colours (assuming they use a compatible colour model). If OP generated a CMYK image in case the duotone colours were CMYK colours, then everything would work as expected, so I presume it probably does not (at least my RISC OS version does not). Funnily, I have just been investigating the same thing in ArtWorks recently (when adding spot colour support to PDF export). At the moment, ArtWorks prints Contone sprites (AW's equivalent of duotone) in RGB (except when separating of course) and the same applies to direct PDF export. Up to now I actually thought Contone sprites with CMYK start and end colours would be exported to PDF in CMYK space and there is code in the PDF exporter to do that but I just found out that this code is not used because some other part of ArtWorks supplies RGB colours in all cases, even when the start/end colours are both CMYK. So, ArtWorks and OP seem to work in a suprisingly similar way. ;-) Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 14:33:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hlm9A-2YI000-02-C1X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 14:33:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hlm9A-2YI000-02-C1X; Wed, 09 May 2007 13:24:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hlm9A-2YI000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 13:24:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hlm7s-0005TZ-Vy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 13:22:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB6F6DBC02; Wed, 9 May 2007 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00524-02; Wed, 9 May 2007 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9425E6DB474; Wed, 9 May 2007 09:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 09:19:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF4BE6DBA87 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 09:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32072-08-5 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 09:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06BA36DBD82 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-37-228.teleos-web.de [87.245.37.228]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88260265C91 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 15:20:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 09 May 2007 15:21:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:21:24 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> > Frank Watkinson wrote: > > > While aiming to make backup to an external USB hard drive, I created a > > Zip file so that filetypes would be preserved. > > Using SparkFS? Does that not take ages? I do not really think that > this approach is sensible. But I cannot see why it should be necessary > anyway. Would it not be easier to format your external USB hard drive > to RISC OS format? Actually, if it is bigger than 2GB you will need to > do that anyway to make use of its size. So, I cannot see any situation > where that would make sense unless you have a directly attached > external FAT-formatted USB hard drive with 2GB or less that you also > want to use on a non-RISC OS machine and that seems very unlikely. > [snip] IMHO I'd rather leave the USB stick alone (if it is flash it is not advisable to change the partition format) and use !FCFS to backup my RISC OS stuff. Without compression it is quite fast and it preserves my filetypes. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:40:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlnID-14z000-06-AsU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:40:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlnID-14z000-06-AsU; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:37:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlnID-14z000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:37:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlnID-000176-25 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:37:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 408D86DC898; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09189-05; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C62376DC6C0; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81CD16DC898 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09037-08 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DEB36DC893 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HlnHV-00006u-MY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 15:36:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 15:36:29 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 397 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 9 May, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >=20 > > In message <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> > > Frank Watkinson wrote: > >=20 > > > While aiming to make backup to an external USB hard drive, I create= d a > > > Zip file so that filetypes would be preserved. > >=20 > > Using SparkFS? Does that not take ages? I do not really think that=20 > > this approach is sensible. But I cannot see why it should be necessar= y=20 > > anyway. Would it not be easier to format your external USB hard drive= =20 > > to RISC OS format? Actually, if it is bigger than 2GB you will need t= o=20 > > do that anyway to make use of its size. So, I cannot see any situatio= n=20 > > where that would make sense unless you have a directly attached=20 > > external FAT-formatted USB hard drive with 2GB or less that you also=20 > > want to use on a non-RISC OS machine and that seems very unlikely. > >=20 > [snip] > IMHO I'd rather leave the USB stick alone (if it is flash it is not > advisable to change the partition format) and use !FCFS to backup > my RISC OS stuff. Without compression it is quite fast and it preserves > my filetypes. Looks interesting . Do you know if it will (a) work with RISC OS 5 on an Iyonix and (b) if it will handle images larger than the 2 Gbyte barrier? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:40:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlnOC-0V4GPo-07-AmV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:40:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlnOC-0V4GPo-07-AmV; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:43:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlnOC-0V4GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:43:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlnO4-0002nT-V6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:43:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7806B6DD13C; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10518-04; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 403206DD0E7; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24C3B6DCF19 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10304-06 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D64BB6DCF41 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-37-228.teleos-web.de [87.245.37.228]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85D12AF957 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:42:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 09 May 2007 16:43:13 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:43:13 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <652254e04e.martinv@ucs.de> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 9 May, Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > > > In message <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> > > > Frank Watkinson wrote: > > > > > > > While aiming to make backup to an external USB hard drive, I created a > > > > Zip file so that filetypes would be preserved. > > > > > > Using SparkFS? Does that not take ages? I do not really think that > > > this approach is sensible. But I cannot see why it should be necessary > > > anyway. Would it not be easier to format your external USB hard drive > > > to RISC OS format? Actually, if it is bigger than 2GB you will need to > > > do that anyway to make use of its size. So, I cannot see any situation > > > where that would make sense unless you have a directly attached > > > external FAT-formatted USB hard drive with 2GB or less that you also > > > want to use on a non-RISC OS machine and that seems very unlikely. > > > > > [snip] > > IMHO I'd rather leave the USB stick alone (if it is flash it is not > > advisable to change the partition format) and use !FCFS to backup > > my RISC OS stuff. Without compression it is quite fast and it preserves > > my filetypes. > > Looks interesting . Do > you know if it will (a) work with RISC OS 5 on an Iyonix and (b) if it > will handle images larger than the 2 Gbyte barrier? > Sorry, I can't tell. Nick used to be a friendly chap - ask him... (The lastest version I have 1.11e dates back to May '98) Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:40:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlnQG-2Is000-05-AkR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:40:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlnQG-2Is000-05-AkR; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:45:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlnQG-2Is000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:45:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlnQB-0001S3-0n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:45:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E522F6DD100; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10992-04; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 765176DD0F6; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B2B6DD100 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10838-07 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.philipnet.com (illyria.philipnet.com [80.68.90.105]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B0226DCFEE for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.philipnet.com (Postfix, from userid 81) id 15B75D4133; Wed, 9 May 2007 14:44:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 194.34.223.1 ([194.34.223.1]) by illyria.philipnet.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:44:45 +0000 Message-ID: <20070509144445.d86vswf68cwswsww@illyria.philipnet.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:44:45 +0000 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philip@philipnet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Quoting Tim Powys-Lybbe : > In message of 9 May, Martin Vethake wrote: > >> In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> >> > In message <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> >> > Frank Watkinson wrote: >> > >> > > While aiming to make backup to an external USB hard drive, I created = a >> > > Zip file so that filetypes would be preserved. >> > >> > Using SparkFS? Does that not take ages? I do not really think that >> > this approach is sensible. But I cannot see why it should be necessary >> > anyway. Would it not be easier to format your external USB hard drive >> > to RISC OS format? Actually, if it is bigger than 2GB you will need to >> > do that anyway to make use of its size. So, I cannot see any situation >> > where that would make sense unless you have a directly attached >> > external FAT-formatted USB hard drive with 2GB or less that you also >> > want to use on a non-RISC OS machine and that seems very unlikely. >> > >> [snip] >> IMHO I'd rather leave the USB stick alone (if it is flash it is not >> advisable to change the partition format) and use !FCFS to backup >> my RISC OS stuff. Without compression it is quite fast and it preserves >> my filetypes. > > Looks interesting . Do > you know if it will (a) work with RISC OS 5 on an Iyonix and (b) if it > will handle images larger than the 2 Gbyte barrier? It will not work with RISC OS 5; it is not 32-bit compatible and does =20 not support the new filecore format (the one used in RISC OS 4 and 5). Parts of the code used in FCFS were also used in Disc Doctor from =20 Oregan and the code cannot be released - I have asked in the past =20 about this. However, I have a vague recollection that Dave Ruck has worked on a =20 program that works in a similar way and does support the new filecore =20 format used in RISC OS 4 and 5. Phil L. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:40:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hlnb1-1R9knw-03-AZg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:40:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hlnb1-1R9knw-03-AZg; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:56:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hlnb1-1R9knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:56:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hlnay-0007cR-1L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:56:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E31F66DD0B1; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12937-05; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F9FF6DCF8A; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 10:54:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ECA46DCECF for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12688-02 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 299CE6DCFBF for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1Hlna62c6C-0006ut; Wed, 09 May 2007 16:55:55 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:57:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zYbPrdf3Ga9oaMUB+qMCJiMKSsF/byvXGH3Z fCOax6mWEob+brbJhaZtdseVzJfWGR5sberUW2kVxC4cXp9Vwb zGnfdKfeoiKfAObkmHohOOrDx49Dgsb X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> In message <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> >> Frank Watkinson wrote: >> >> > While aiming to make backup to an external USB hard drive, I created a >> > Zip file so that filetypes would be preserved. >> >> Using SparkFS? Does that not take ages? I do not really think that >> this approach is sensible. But I cannot see why it should be necessary >> anyway. Would it not be easier to format your external USB hard drive >> to RISC OS format? Actually, if it is bigger than 2GB you will need to >> do that anyway to make use of its size. So, I cannot see any situation >> where that would make sense unless you have a directly attached >> external FAT-formatted USB hard drive with 2GB or less that you also >> want to use on a non-RISC OS machine and that seems very unlikely. >> > [snip] > IMHO I'd rather leave the USB stick alone (if it is flash it is not > advisable to change the partition format) Franke wrote "external USB hard drive", so it is not a USB stick and not Flash. Nevertheless, I cannot see his problem - either, the hard drive is directly attached via USB and DOS formatted, then it is limited to 2GB anyway, so even if SparkFS could create larger Zip files it would not have helped. Or, the drive is RISC OS formatted or it is is attached via the network, then the filetypes are preserved even without zipping. > and use !FCFS to backup my RISC OS stuff. Without compression it is > quite fast and it preserves my filetypes. FCFS used to be nice, but Frank is on RISC OS 5, so it is of no use. Besides, if the problem is that the overall data is larger than 2GB, then it will not help anyway. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:40:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hlngv-0x9000-07-ATm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:40:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hlngv-0x9000-07-ATm; Wed, 09 May 2007 15:02:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hlngv-0x9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 15:02:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hlnat-0007Qg-7s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:56:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E28566DD04A; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12937-01; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81DEE6DD0A8; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 10:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32F626DCF3D for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12655-07 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE296DCF28 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 10:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1Hlna60zbj-0006ut; Wed, 09 May 2007 16:55:54 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:51:58 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/PBsu6XDm4a0MbRa3FpooF6Zdy0qMnT5I8Xw4 kuYIsufrZQ2XBvVsNhM8p+7nHWhOirFMul+ei18HIq/zU51Hto x1kXpRz/LXR/yxj+wY309l2xdA3ozoV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 400 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Looks interesting . Do > you know if it will (a) work with RISC OS 5 on an Iyonix It is not Iyonix compatible, which should not come as a surprise considering its age (the version at the above location is from 1997). > and (b) if it will handle images larger than the 2 Gbyte barrier? How could it? It is an image filing system, so the same limits apply as to SparkFS. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:41:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hlnso-3caknw-06-AHt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:41:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hlnso-3caknw-06-AHt; Wed, 09 May 2007 15:15:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hlnso-3caknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 15:15:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hlnsk-0001In-5u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 15:15:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65EAF6DD152; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16308-03; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F00C66DD173; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAEFC6DD152 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16178-06 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC4796DD119 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-37-228.teleos-web.de [87.245.37.228]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C3B29280A for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 09 May 2007 17:15:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 17:15:04 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 402 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > >> In message <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> > >> Frank Watkinson wrote: > >> > >> > While aiming to make backup to an external USB hard drive, I created a > >> > Zip file so that filetypes would be preserved. > >> > >> Using SparkFS? Does that not take ages? I do not really think that > >> this approach is sensible. But I cannot see why it should be necessary > >> anyway. Would it not be easier to format your external USB hard drive > >> to RISC OS format? Actually, if it is bigger than 2GB you will need to > >> do that anyway to make use of its size. So, I cannot see any situation > >> where that would make sense unless you have a directly attached > >> external FAT-formatted USB hard drive with 2GB or less that you also > >> want to use on a non-RISC OS machine and that seems very unlikely. > >> > > [snip] > > IMHO I'd rather leave the USB stick alone (if it is flash it is not > > advisable to change the partition format) > > Franke wrote "external USB hard drive", so it is not a USB stick and > not Flash. Nevertheless, I cannot see his problem - either, the hard > drive is directly attached via USB and DOS formatted, then it is > limited to 2GB anyway, so even if SparkFS could create larger Zip > files it would not have helped. Or, the drive is RISC OS formatted or > it is is attached via the network, then the filetypes are preserved > even without zipping. > > > and use !FCFS to backup my RISC OS stuff. Without compression it is > > quite fast and it preserves my filetypes. > > FCFS used to be nice, but Frank is on RISC OS 5, so it is of no use. > Besides, if the problem is that the overall data is larger than 2GB, > then it will not help anyway. > > Martin I was just thinking it's quite a good idea to use the most popular filing-system but then again You will lose Your filetypes as soon as You touch (copy, move) those files with, say, Windows. I read 'backup' and completely missed the 'hard drive' part. What exactly is the point in making backups on a _hard-drive_ that is mobile but can't be taken anywhere? Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 21:41:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HlpsT-0vQknw-08-Gok.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 21:41:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HlpsT-0vQknw-08-Gok; Wed, 09 May 2007 17:23:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HlpsT-0vQknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 17:23:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HlpsO-0006qg-Ob for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 17:23:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E2296DCDA3; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06386-04-6; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1578A6DCCF7; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 13:20:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1B206DCBE0 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06036-02 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A6706DCBAA for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HlprV-0003OQ-CN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 18:22:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 18:21:45 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <1ea662e04e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 403 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 9 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >=20 > > Looks interesting . > > Do you know if it will (a) work with RISC OS 5 on an Iyonix >=20 > It is not Iyonix compatible, which should not come as a surprise=20 > considering its age (the version at the above location is from 1997). >=20 > > and (b) if it will handle images larger than the 2 Gbyte barrier? >=20 > How could it? It is an image filing system, so the same limits apply=20 > as to SparkFS. Thanks, I thought that would be the case so it was right to bring the problem out into the open. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 22:00:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hlt7U-16l000-06-DZj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 22:00:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hlt7U-16l000-06-DZj; Wed, 09 May 2007 20:50:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hlt7U-16l000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 20:50:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hlt7M-0005hO-PZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 20:50:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82AF26DCEFF; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15245-01-7; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4CC06DCF92; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 16:44:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A400A6DAEBF for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14557-02 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B366DD014 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 16:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hlt3K-000Hfh-2n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 20:46:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:44:48 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk>, Nick Kaijaks writes >As I recall in OP, you have two different colours as endpoints, and >create a single curve between them. It's not as subtle an effect, and >not as flexible as a duotone, but it shouldn't introduce any other >colours either... Nick glad to hear you're still with us. So with a true duotone, one could have spot colours as the two end points and just output fractions of them along the way - no made up process colours. OP on RISC OS or Windows will use the colour model supported by the printing system. That means if you print composite via the OS, then all colours get changed to RGB. However if you use direct PostScript (Windows only) then CMYK can be output, and the duotone should not introduce any RGB colours between the end points. On RISC OS CMYK sprites are output direct to PS, and on both platforms separations will print CMYK data. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 9 22:50:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hltzj-0q1knw-03-ChU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 22:50:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hltzj-0q1knw-03-ChU; Wed, 09 May 2007 21:46:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hltzj-0q1knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 21:46:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hltzg-0004H0-Ai for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 May 2007 21:46:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1B296DCF31; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23924-06; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66E3B6DE462; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 May 2007 17:43:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85F496DCF31 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23761-05 for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AD666DE23C for ; Wed, 9 May 2007 17:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1HltyP2uyH-0004D7; Wed, 09 May 2007 23:45:26 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 23:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18vDkmLgi/GQkZ/PAYPn/oZv7j1mc7jCfq9Ekv JSIpN45KX/WJ7uZp12X33EwJqnQd9grw+unhVoYe2c1HEse2gi vxTiBVHmX1F4bWodiaWQISVzvfFCOaY X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Martin Vethake wrote: > I read 'backup' and completely missed the 'hard drive' part. What > exactly is the point in making backups on a _hard-drive_ that is > mobile but can't be taken anywhere? There are good reasons for using an external hard drive for backup purposes (as opposed to a secondary internal hard drive). Maybe there is no space in the case for another internal hard drive. More importantly, you would not normally attach the backup drive, so there is no risk of accidentally writing to it. Obviously, if you only want the hard drive for backup purposes and not for file transfer to other platforms you would not care whether you can take it anywhere else and read it on a different platform. So, in that case, it is perfectly sensible to have a RISC OS formatted external hard drive. But there is no choice anyway - if you want a directly attached external hard drive with more than 2GB, it has to be RISC OS formatted. I still prefer the idea of having a network attached storage device - that combines all the advantages: Can be any size, is readable from all platforms, retains file types (though not all other RISC OS file attributes). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm2Vc-4Xaknw-07-Ci7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm2Vc-4Xaknw-07-Ci7; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:52:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm2Vc-4Xaknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:52:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm2Vc-0005Kl-1n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:52:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2069A6DDDA2; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11669-08; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADDAA6DD848; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 02:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D3866DDDA2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11603-03 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD8A36DDD6B for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 02:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADpdQkbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACPegIBAQcIBgcFHw Received: from [88.105.238.162] (port=10066 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm2Ut-0000vG-Tn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:51:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:38:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 406 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > But there is no choice anyway - if you want a directly attached > external hard drive with more than 2GB, it has to be RISC OS > formatted. I still prefer the idea of having a network attached > storage device - that combines all the advantages: Can be any size, is > readable from all platforms, retains file types (though not all other > RISC OS file attributes). > Martin Sorry this is not directly related to D Pilling software, but directly related to the subject in hand as I use SparkFS to (Uncompressed) Zip archive RO materials to transport via the network to a backup USB drive on the Win PC. I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. I can get an external 2.5 inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB socket, and requires no other external power source. Will this setup function connected to a Unipod? Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to do the business? Obviously my intention, if it did work, would be to format the drive in RO and backup to that, and save all the work of archiving before transferring to the Win PC backup drive. Cheers Dave S PS: I guess I should be asking STD this question, but as the matter was already to hand... D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm433-3kt000-05-BAg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm433-3kt000-05-BAg; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:30:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm433-3kt000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:30:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm430-0005Eh-58 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:30:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C3D66DE486; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21274-02-2; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0FE96DE4AA; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8904C6DE485 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21141-04 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5771E6DE481 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hm42H-000JB3-M8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:30:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0b40f23john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 407 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 10 May, Dave Symes wrote: > I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. > I can get an external 2.5 inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB > socket, and requires no other external power source. > Will this setup function connected to a Unipod? > Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to do the business? Discussions that I have had with Stuart & Matt @ STD suggest that the A9's power supply is dictated by the need to provide sufficient to meet the requirements of the 4 USB ports. I've every reason to suppose that the equivalent holds for the Unipod so it may boil down to whether the device is taking no more than the specification for USB allows. If you want to be certain that the figures match then e-mail Matt directly. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm4AG-0Brknw-04-B3T.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm4AG-0Brknw-04-B3T; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:38:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm4AG-0Brknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:38:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm4AF-0005It-1e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:38:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 038946DE499; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21761-09; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9829F6DE4E1; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 04:35:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A91286DE499 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21676-05 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76B9A6D474D for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hm49Y-0006l7-FJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:37:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:37:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 408 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. > I can get an external 2.5 inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB > socket, and requires no other external power source. > Will this setup function connected to a Unipod? > Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to do the business? One thing to bear in mind is that these devices sometimes have two USB connectors to get sufficient power into the unit (I assume some form of current limiting on individual ports). You will need to ensure that you have 2 spare ports. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm4K4-3zX000-08-Atf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm4K4-3zX000-08-Atf; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:48:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm4K4-3zX000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:48:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm4K4-00076s-K4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:48:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 928D86DC324; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23139-05; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00D8D6DD308; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C5A96DCD81 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22996-03 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37FE26DC02C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hm4JM-0006vS-8g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:47:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:38:17 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 409 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dave Symes wrote: > > I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. I can get an external 2.5 > inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB socket, and requires no > other external power source. Will this setup function connected to a > Unipod? Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to do the > business? I tried just that and the answer is NO. I've got a Hitachi 2.5" drive is a small USB case, which works fine on my PC, but doesn't on the Risc PC with Unipod. As the drive tries to spin up, the LED on the drive case goes out, which means there isn't enough power coming from the USB socket on Unipod. The standard is 1/2 amp, but it seems not in this case. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm4UD-2uqknw-02-AjW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm4UD-2uqknw-02-AjW; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm4UD-2uqknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm4U8-0000SJ-MV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9E9F6DE57F; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24592-06-2; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AD8F6DE577; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A6CA6DE505 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24217-07 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail1.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B91D06DE45C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail1.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4755111F for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:58:02 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:58:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 410 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin > Wuerthner wrote: > > But there is no choice anyway - if you want a directly > > attached external hard drive with more than 2GB, it has to > > be RISC OS formatted. I still prefer the idea of having a > > network attached storage device - that combines all the > > advantages: Can be any size, is readable from all > > platforms, retains file types (though not all other RISC OS > > file attributes). > > Martin > Sorry this is not directly related to D Pilling software, but > directly related to the subject in hand as I use SparkFS to > (Uncompressed) Zip archive RO materials to transport via the > network to a backup USB drive on the Win PC. I use exactly the same idea: my backup drive is a 320Gb external Toshiba on the PC/USB but with its own PSU. The drive has 3 partitions: 2 are NTFS for the PC and laptop backups (Using Acronis TruImage) and the 3rd is FAT32 for the zipped RISC OS backups. The problem is that everything is so slow! > I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. I can get an > external 2.5 inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB > socket, and requires no other external power source. Will this > setup function connected to a Unipod? Put another way... > Does the Unipod have enough power to do the business? The UNIpod USB can supply a maximum of 0.5A, a limitation of the podule bus I believe, which is probably too little for the hard drive you have your eye on. In any case you presumably are hoping to get the drive to work with MassFS. Mine doesn't :-( > Obviously my intention, if it did work, would be to format the > drive in RO and backup to that, and save all the work of > archiving before transferring to the Win PC backup drive. Yes, that would be splendid, but don't forget that RISC OS USB is v1.1, not the 2.0 of the drive. Anyway, how are you going to do the re-format? > PS: I guess I should be asking STD this question, but as the > matter was already to hand... D. They won't be able to tell you unless it is a drive they happen to have used. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm4YW-3G5knw-02-AfD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm4YW-3G5knw-02-AfD; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm4YW-3G5knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm4YV-0007lV-GE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03A366DE532; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25032-03; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94F346DE537; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 04:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC9686DE532 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24919-09 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E99A6DE530 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:59:51 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALR7QkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACPegIBAQcGCAcFHw Received: from [88.105.151.96] (port=10430 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm4Wk-000JfR-5n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:01:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:01:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0b8a9b9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 411 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > > > I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. I can get an external 2.5 > > inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB socket, and requires > > no other external power source. Will this setup function connected > > to a Unipod? Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to > > do the business? > One thing to bear in mind is that these devices sometimes have two USB > connectors to get sufficient power into the unit (I assume some form of > current limiting on individual ports). You will need to ensure that you > have 2 spare ports. I think you are right, it does seem to require two USB ports. It's a device aimed at Laptop etc users for backup, so I would assume/hope the power requirement would be low. Cheers Dave S PS: If anyone is interested. http://www.novatech.com product code: NOV-ND280 D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:49:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm4fG-2DYknw-04-AYT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:49:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm4fG-2DYknw-04-AYT; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm4fG-2DYknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm4fF-00072Z-Ty for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E264C6DE542; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25665-03; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 857B06DD64C; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 05:07:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF2CF6DE542 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25553-08 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AB096DE540 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAAp+QkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACPegIBAQcGCAcFHw Received: from [88.105.151.96] (port=10443 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm4eW-000McN-Ag for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:09:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:09:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 412 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: [Snippy useful input... thanks] > Yes, that would be splendid, but don't forget that RISC OS USB is > v1.1, not the 2.0 of the drive. Anyway, how are you going to do > the re-format? That is something I was wondering about, just how do you format a USB drive as RO... I obviously haven't tried it yet, but I was wondering... If it could be formatted RO connected to the Win PC and via VRPC? > > PS: I guess I should be asking STD this question, but as the > > matter was already to hand... D. > They won't be able to tell you unless it is a drive they happen > to have used. I have sent STD an email I'll report back if I get a useful answer. It is a small external HD aimed at Laptop etc users... See my reply to Charles for URL and product code. > Brian. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:50:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm6lg-2hpGPo-07-GyZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:50:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm6lg-2hpGPo-07-GyZ; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm6lg-2hpGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm6lf-0004v1-Qf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:25:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBF866DD485; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06572-05; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EEB16DD0AD; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 07:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01D636DD6D6 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06406-05 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C573E6DD586 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 07:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hm6kx-000Hc9-2V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 11:24:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:23:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 413 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com>, > Brian Carroll wrote: > [Snippy useful input... thanks] > > Yes, that would be splendid, but don't forget that RISC OS USB is [Snip] > That is something I was wondering about, just how do you format a > USB drive as RO... I obviously haven't tried it yet, but I was > wondering... If it could be formatted RO connected to the Win PC > and via VRPC? [Snip] > > Brian. > Thanks > Dave S Thank you all very much for your contributions to this thread; (with the exception of the invasion of the thread by "duotone pictures in pdf".) Dave Symes' thoughts in the paragraph which I have left un-snipped above, would provide a useful solution, it it was a possible one. Is it possible to create (say) three NTFS partitions and one RISC OS partition on a USB connected external drive? That seems like one big hurdle to me. Thanks again. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.10. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 13:50:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm7VE-3Kr000-07-GF1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:50:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm7VE-3Kr000-07-GF1; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:12:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm7VE-3Kr000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:12:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm7VD-00055Q-IF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:12:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17AAA6DE4FD; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11910-03; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99B536DE4EA; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B27CE6DE4FD for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11774-08 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54BD46DE4DD for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1Hm7UT2YA8-00045K; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:25 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:12:46 +0200 Message-ID: <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX196vPflxn+sP7hPnmSNg9nwkGuZv2dVq6cL6Ou mxZNGvThH3l6qFgKPqo8DuzpzxMc/InbHPcXdDmeNuGstQqnAE LwAVLEpMbvqC5HIRq6AYyjGxLTFLzA1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 414 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> Frank Watkinson wrote: > In article <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > >> That is something I was wondering about, just how do you format a >> USB drive as RO... If the drive is attached to an Iyonix, you use Castle's SCSIForm formatter (it is likely that this works with the Castle USB podule as well). I do not think other interfaces (Simtec USB/UniPod) support RISC OS formatted devices at all, but you can tell: If they do you should have received a special formatter from the vendor. >> I obviously haven't tried it yet, but I was wondering... If it could >> be formatted RO connected to the Win PC and via VRPC? No, definitely not. VRPC does not emulate USB ports, so the emulated copy of RISC OS has no chance of seeing the device. Of course, you can access external USB hard discs using VRPC by mapping them in using HostFS, but then Windows handles the device. > Is it possible to create (say) three NTFS partitions and one RISC OS > partition on a USB connected external drive? That seems like one big > hurdle to me. No. I think we are rapidly digressing from anything even remotely on topic for this list so I suggest posting further questions elsewhere (e.g., comp.sys.acorn.misc or comp.sys.acorn.hardware). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:08:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm8GH-30qknw-04-FTy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:08:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm8GH-30qknw-04-FTy; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:00:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm8GH-30qknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:00:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm8GH-0007Co-1U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:00:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E492D6DCF7A; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18795-01; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DCDA6DCFB5; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37B516DCD80 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18647-09 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2D776DCBE6 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hm8FZ-0005Ip-Ci for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:00:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:59:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 415 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes Is there such a thing as a USB hub with the ability to supply power itself. If so that might be a solution to your problems. Similarly if you have a drive with two USB connectors maybe there is something like a stand alone power supply with a USB connector on. Relevant to this discussion but a bit late, I've long used standard hard discs in cradles as a means of shifting data about. Just about when the SyJet, Iomega Jazz etc. removable discs came out, it became apparent that a hard disc in cradle was as cheap. So back up to hard disc is sensible. As to going off topic - maybe we should turn this into a vets discussion list. You know what we are doing PA (after Acorn). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:08:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm8J6-4cjknw-03-FR9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:08:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm8J6-4cjknw-03-FR9; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:03:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm8J6-4cjknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:03:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm8J3-00059k-EI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:03:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AF0C6DD0FC; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19353-03; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D11386DD11B; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 09:01:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 110936DDEE2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27434-06 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer2.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC0516DDBA3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 05:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm4ur-0006Oh-8H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:26:29 +1200 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hm4uq-0006O4-U2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:26:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:14:37 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] A bug to crash OvPro (on RISC OS) Message-ID: <4ee0b464d1monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Thu, 10 May 2007 21:26:29 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu May 10 21:26:29 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7724 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 340 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 417 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, I have found a bug which crashes OvationPro with a type 5 error. It is not a terribly sensible thing to do, but from the iconbar menu select New... and then choose a foolish number of columns. If you choose more than 12 on an A4 page you get the error and OvationPro quits. It also quits with 12 or more on an A3 page. My son and I found it out when we were being a bit silly... OvPro 2.77 19 March 2007 on SARPC RO4.39 regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:18:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm8QE-0pHVbs-07-FK1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:18:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm8QE-0pHVbs-07-FK1; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:11:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm8QE-0pHVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:11:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm8HZ-0002lm-VN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:02:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 186A96DCEBE; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18936-06; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3B636D83A4; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 08:59:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3380A6DE33D for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24043-02 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE4886DE32C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 04:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4A8tMLf021864 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:55:22 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l4A8tLJn021863; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:55:21 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: avon.orpheusnet.co.uk: apache set sender to a.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk using -f Received: from 194.106.46.76 (WebMail authenticated user bd39) by webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:55:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50233.194.106.46.76.1178787321.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:55:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? From: "Andrew Conroy" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: OrpheusWebMail/1.4.8-4.fc6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 416 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: a.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 10, 2007 9:37 am, charles wrote: > In article <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> > >> I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. >> I can get an external 2.5 inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the >> USB socket, and requires no other external power source. >> Will this setup function connected to a Unipod? >> Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to do the busines= s? > > One thing to bear in mind is that these devices sometimes have two USB > connectors to get sufficient power into the unit (I assume some form of > current limiting on individual ports). You will need to ensure that yo= u > have 2 spare ports. Another, somewhat more limiting factor, is that the UniPod (well, !MassFS= , to be precise) will only cope with external hard drives up to 2GB in size= , due to the limits imposed by DOSFS in RISC OS. Andrew --=20 Andrew Conroy (via Webmail) From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:18:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm8RQ-14qVbs-03-FIp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:18:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm8RQ-14qVbs-03-FIp; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:12:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm8RQ-14qVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:12:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm8RP-0005hZ-Po for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:12:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9ECA26DD80F; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20550-04-2; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 643C96DD7CF; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 09:09:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB89D6DD099 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19544-03 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 452716DCF3C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4AD5HJG022627 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:05:17 +0100 Received: (from apache@localhost) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l4AD5HDa022626; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:05:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: avon.orpheusnet.co.uk: apache set sender to a.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk using -f Received: from 194.106.46.76 (WebMail authenticated user bd39) by webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:05:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50377.194.106.46.76.1178802317.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:05:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? From: "Andrew Conroy" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: OrpheusWebMail/1.4.8-4.fc6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 418 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: a.m.conroy@owlart.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 10, 2007 1:59 pm, David Pilling wrote: > In message <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes > > Is there such a thing as a USB hub with the ability to supply power > itself. If so that might be a solution to your problems. Similarly if > you have a drive with two USB connectors maybe there is something like = a > stand alone power supply with a USB connector on. Yes, it is certainly possible to use so-called "self-powered" USB hubs rather than "bus powered" ones. It is also possible to buy plug-in PSUs with a USB socket on them to power USB type devices (also useful for item= s which are rechargeable, which simply plug in to a USB socket for their power). Andrew --=20 Andrew Conroy (via Webmail) From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:18:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm8UE-1p0Vbs-02-FG1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:18:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm8UE-1p0Vbs-02-FG1; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm8UE-1p0Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm8U7-0007E6-Et for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:15:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A8046DD9D5; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21132-07; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F11736DDCE4; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37B8C6DD9D5 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20879-03 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D394F6DD764 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1Hm8TG3EHB-0004Jb; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:14:15 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:11 +0200 Message-ID: <33e9cfe04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19xMKa14sPaHd9wQe45uGALJ4STsSj1e/utZBF SXTp6bem8n6faUAYZFGiqxURmPexJrkLUF4BRsYUkVQR1x8GE/ Qg2ZjxywXqBTAUX0Fl65LHEqx3YKeT3 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 419 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes > > Is there such a thing as a USB hub with the ability to supply power > itself. Yes, lots of them. > As to going off topic - maybe we should turn this into a vets discussion > list. You know what we are doing PA (after Acorn). Or rather PR (after RISC OS) since we are well in the PA era... Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:28:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm8Yi-3ibknw-01-FBX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:28:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm8Yi-3ibknw-01-FBX; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm8Yi-3ibknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:19:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm8V9-0002gT-4j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:16:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAD016DD488; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21521-08; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 559976DE3AE; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62A426DD488 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21242-06 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12D166DD007 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4ADEgD2030724 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:14:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:12:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0cfb42blists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <50233.194.106.46.76.1178787321.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50233.194.106.46.76.1178787321.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 420 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <50233.194.106.46.76.1178787321.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Andrew Conroy wrote: [Snip] > Another, somewhat more limiting factor, is that the UniPod (well, > !MassFS, to be precise) will only cope with external hard drives up to > 2GB in size, due to the limits imposed by DOSFS in RISC OS. I'm assuming you mean if you want to keep it in PC format so that you can share data with a PC? If you re-format the device to RISC OS format you can have any size you want (up to the RISC OS maximum). I've got an external 80GB USB hard drive here which works fine and gives full access to the whole drive. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 14:58:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm93g-04i000-02-EgZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:58:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm93g-04i000-02-EgZ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:51:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm93g-04i000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:51:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm93f-0003CD-B8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:51:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F65E6DCE1C; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28480-07; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBEC56DBF24; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 09:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B3556DCE1C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28318-04 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B50576DB530 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 09:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Hm92v2cIt-0008I8; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:51:07 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:52:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50233.194.106.46.76.1178787321.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> <4ee0cfb42blists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ee0cfb42blists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19GoklumeDLZaaDc4vq9GfGVh4oaJsmhBIWwDi rPyzy5vbSxhBvMR6GO9P1FQuVzkkcLYYNGO3WrCocVOk5BJaMU 6dYWKaekckhcnO5rYSsJjuFyvMFcRpK X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 421 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0cfb42blists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In article > <50233.194.106.46.76.1178787321.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk>, > Andrew Conroy wrote: > [Snip] > >> Another, somewhat more limiting factor, is that the UniPod (well, >> !MassFS, to be precise) will only cope with external hard drives up to >> 2GB in size, due to the limits imposed by DOSFS in RISC OS. > > I'm assuming you mean if you want to keep it in PC format so that you can > share data with a PC? > > If you re-format the device to RISC OS format you can have any size you > want (up to the RISC OS maximum). I've got an external 80GB USB hard drive > here which works fine and gives full access to the whole drive. But, I presume, attached to an Iyonix and not attached to a UniPod, which is what Andrew refers to. I do not think MassFS supports RISC OS formatted devices. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 15:28:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hm9W3-2Fn000-05-EEC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:28:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hm9W3-2Fn000-05-EEC; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:21:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hm9W3-2Fn000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:21:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hm9W2-0006PE-By for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:21:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F22C16DD523; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00722-04; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9576D6DDB77; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EA046DD523 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00582-07 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CF456DD2A7 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hm9VJ-000Fsd-MT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:32:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0d179eajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 422 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 10 May, David Pilling wrote: > Relevant to this discussion but a bit late, I've long used standard hard > discs in cradles as a means of shifting data about. Just about when the > SyJet, Iomega Jazz etc. removable discs came out, it became apparent > that a hard disc in cradle was as cheap. So back up to hard disc is > sensible. I thought that was a good idea but I've had two pack up on me (HD in cradle in RiscPC) and they were the only hard drives that have died on me excepting those that were killed by a mis-wired power lead. 5V <-> 12V isn't happy. ;-( I'm seriously considering getting one of CJE's network storage link to control back ups. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 15:58:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmA1w-4QIknw-02-DiJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:58:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmA1w-4QIknw-02-DiJ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:54:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmA1w-4QIknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:54:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmA1s-00036x-22 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:54:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A22CC6DCA2B; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05221-08; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4501B6DD8DD; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEBE36DD61F for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05117-06 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E51056DD5F4 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 10:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hm9yg-000HWS-F9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: <1DgBGoD9DzQGFw10@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:49:33 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0d179eajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee0d179eajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 423 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0d179eajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell >I thought that was a good idea but I've had two pack up on me (HD in cradle in >RiscPC) and they were the only hard drives that have died on me excepting >those that were killed by a mis-wired power lead. 5V <-> 12V isn't happy. ;-( It is anecdotal, but I have had RISC PC configurations that seemed to give short HD lifetimes - I would say because it was too hot inside. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 10 17:18:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmBJ1-04K000-05-CRE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:18:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmBJ1-04K000-05-CRE; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:15:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmBJ1-04K000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:15:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmBJ0-0002xt-7U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 827526DED63; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18331-08; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1517E6DEDFB; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D35356DED63 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18228-01 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0F606DE72C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 12:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-50-235.teleos-web.de [87.245.50.235]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D84299D49 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:13:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 10 May 2007 18:14:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:14:25 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4652e0e04e.martinv@ucs.de> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b85f56bric@f2s.com> <4ee0b96c9edfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0c5ac7ffrank@aaug.net> <8132cae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0d179eajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <1DgBGoD9DzQGFw10@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1DgBGoD9DzQGFw10@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 424 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <1DgBGoD9DzQGFw10@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee0d179eajohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > >I thought that was a good idea but I've had two pack up on me (HD in cradle in > >RiscPC) and they were the only hard drives that have died on me excepting > >those that were killed by a mis-wired power lead. 5V <-> 12V isn't happy. ;-( > > It is anecdotal, but I have had RISC PC configurations that seemed to > give short HD lifetimes - I would say because it was too hot inside. > My personal experience has it that consumer HDs produced after ~'99 i.e. gigabytes can be expected to die after 4 years. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGjk-00I005-06-w9b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGjk-00I005-06-w9b; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:03:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGjk-00I005-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:03:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmGax-00028w-30 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:54:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD3F86DE290; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01514-02; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A536DEB29; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3806C6DE290 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01397-05 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEEB06DD6D3 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6741A1C00088 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 23:54:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-54476910.wfd88a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.105.16]) by mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2F41E1C00081 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 23:54:00 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070510215400193.2F41E1C00081@mwinf3422.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:53:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 435 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Martin Devon wrote: > In message <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > >> In article , >> Martin Devon wrote: >>> > >>> > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on >>> > to which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this >>> > SARPC, but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all >>> > the stuff from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like >>> > no filetypes. >> >>> Surely there must be something astray with your LanMan98 setup, eg do >>> you have a current Mappings file inside LanMan98? >> >> Yes it does have a mappings file inside LM98. >> I've also got Notypes set to Y >> I can't remember why now, there was some reason. >> I guess if I change that to N it will preserve all the filetypes, but I >> still wonder why I set it to Y in the first place. > > That looks like it. > If you are minded to experiment, try running an NFS server on your PC. > Sunfish is twice as fast as LanMan for write operations. > Generally you want notypes set to no. However, if 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows and 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files and 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside Lanman98 then you might want to turn notypes on. The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows doesn't like. However with notypes set, you can't handle RISC OS applications because the runimage, sprites, run and obey files all end up as text filetypes (when seen from RISC OS). -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGlB-00E00w-06-8DvW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGlB-00E00w-06-8DvW; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:05:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGlB-00E00w-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:05:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmG6U-0007ee-Gk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 671D46DE4E6; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30488-04; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3A2E6DDD7C; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9979F6DE675 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30392-01 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mra03.ch.as12513.net (mra03.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60C416DDEC9 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F145D43C4 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra03.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09793-01-29 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra03.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804EAD4242 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:24 +0100 Message-ID: <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 433 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Martin Devon wrote: >> > >> > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on >> > to which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this >> > SARPC, but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all >> > the stuff from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like >> > no filetypes. > >> Surely there must be something astray with your LanMan98 setup, eg do >> you have a current Mappings file inside LanMan98? > > Yes it does have a mappings file inside LM98. > I've also got Notypes set to Y > I can't remember why now, there was some reason. > I guess if I change that to N it will preserve all the filetypes, but I > still wonder why I set it to Y in the first place. That looks like it. If you are minded to experiment, try running an NFS server on your PC. Sunfish is twice as fast as LanMan for write operations. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGls-00T00r-04-7oLH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGls-00T00r-04-7oLH; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:06:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGls-00T00r-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:06:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmFyO-0005qf-5Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:14:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD54D6DEEE9; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29260-06; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E94E6DEEAF; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 707DF6DEEE9 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29165-01 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A776DEB55 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:23 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABwoQ0bUSnILk2dsb2JhbACPfgEBAQEHCAYMHw Received: from [88.105.171.89] (port=10188 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmFxf-0007Iq-6C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:14:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:12:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 432 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , Martin Devon wrote: > > > > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on > > to which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this > > SARPC, but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all > > the stuff from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like > > no filetypes. > Surely there must be something astray with your LanMan98 setup, eg do > you have a current Mappings file inside LanMan98? Yes it does have a mappings file inside LM98. I've also got Notypes set to Y I can't remember why now, there was some reason. I guess if I change that to N it will preserve all the filetypes, but I still wonder why I set it to Y in the first place. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGmM-00R01P-07-DrPV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGmM-00R01P-07-DrPV; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:06:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGmM-00R01P-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:06:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmFoB-0001bJ-GM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:04:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37ECE6DDA41; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28380-09; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF2446DEB55; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA7B06DDA41 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28257-09 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weequay.is.scarlet.be (weequay.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.24]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68B696DD8B7 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (ip-81-11-183-186.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.183.186]) by weequay.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id l4AL3ZD28389 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 23:03:35 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:02:51 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf Message-ID: <5bbafae04e.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: weequay 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 431 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message you wrote: > True duotones are a greyscale printed in 2 spot colours, probably with > different contrast curves for each spot colour. The endpoints for each > being between 0% and 100% of the single spot colour. It shouldn't be spot colour but can. One of the duotones colorants can be process. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGn2-00D027-08-ORmZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGn2-00D027-08-ORmZ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:07:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGn2-00D027-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:07:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmFYy-0002wj-Lg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:48:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5466A6DE023; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26715-04; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1E766DE374; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A05F36DE023 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26569-05 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 621806DD19D for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:07 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKIhQ0bUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACPfgEBAQEHCAYMHw Received: from [88.105.171.89] (port=10161 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmFY3-000Egp-JM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:47:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:40:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 429 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snippy] > When attached to an Iyonix or a RiscPC with Castle USB, no problem. Martin, As you will have seen from my previous postings Unipod is mentioned as the USB in my machine. > > The whole point of that exercise being to obviate the need to archive > > RO stuff before backing it to a Win PC formatted Hard drive or similar. > There is always the option of using a network attached storage device > and SunFish (if NFS is supported) or LanMan[98] (for the SMB protocol) > for backups. Then you can even share the disc between platforms. > Martin I don't understand that at all... Considering I've already mentioned in passing that I backup to a PC hardrive. "...and save all the work of archiving before transferring to the Win PC backup drive." At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on to which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this SARPC, but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all the stuff from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like no filetypes. So how does your suggestion obviate the need to archive RO stuff before shoving it over to the shared backup disk? That's the only reason I want to RO format a USB HD. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGsi-00Q052-08-ohrT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGsi-00Q052-08-ohrT; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:13:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGsi-00Q052-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:13:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmE96-00062C-9v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 19:17:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F337C6DE36C; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13760-09; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47BF36DD3BB; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3836E6DEFB7 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13194-06 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29B516DEFC2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070510191647.NSMF16175.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:16:47 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070510191647.TFDX29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:16:47 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:11:40 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 428 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Wed 09 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk>, Nick Kaijaks > writes > >As I recall in OP, you have two different colours as endpoints, and > >create a single curve between them. It's not as subtle an effect, and > >not as flexible as a duotone, but it shouldn't introduce any other > >colours either... > > Nick glad to hear you're still with us. > > So with a true duotone, one could have spot colours as the two end > points and just output fractions of them along the way - no made up > process colours. Not my previous understanding, nor my reading of Nick's post. True duotones are a greyscale printed in 2 spot colours, probably with different contrast curves for each spot colour. The endpoints for each being between 0% and 100% of the single spot colour. You still get a paper-colour background. For example you might print the greyscale in green but the shadow areas look a bit weak so you duotone with black printing only in the shadow areas to give a richer tonal range. I have a vague recollection of discussing this about 5 years ago. To get a concept example I had to place the greyscale image onto 2 spot colour layers in Opro, process each appropriately and then print the spot colour layers separately to an inkjet printer (where the spot colours were rendered as cmyk), re-feeding the paper to get an approximation of what the offset litho printer would achieve with a true duotone. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmGzY-02k04D-03-agFz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmGzY-02k04D-03-agFz; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:20:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmGzY-02k04D-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:20:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmCtJ-00028i-KO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:57:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62AAE6DE6CF; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01437-07; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5A036DEA31; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7393A6DE6CF for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01343-01 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF6D86DE1A2 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 13:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D9EC91C00085 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 19:56:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-54476910.wfd88a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.105.16]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9F64E1C00082 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 19:56:40 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070510175640652.9F64E1C00082@mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:55:48 +0100 Message-ID: <5b9ae9e04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 425 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> > >> I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. >> I can get an external 2.5 inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB >> socket, and requires no other external power source. >> Will this setup function connected to a Unipod? >> Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to do the business? > > One thing to bear in mind is that these devices sometimes have two USB > connectors to get sufficient power into the unit (I assume some form of > current limiting on individual ports). You will need to ensure that you > have 2 spare ports. > The USB spec is 500mA per port, curent limited. In practice I see a lot of tablets and laptops with no current limit - once the socket is broken the plug shorts the 5volts, and the computer stops dead. Pressing the power button then reboots it. (It is fairly easy to break the plastic barrier out of a USB socket. Unplugging carelessly, with a little more force than is sensible, will do it. They are NOT child-proof.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmH2B-04T00L-03-5kDE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmH2B-04T00L-03-5kDE; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmH2B-04T00L-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmGwT-0001PO-VS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:17:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 690066DBA77; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04715-03; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C353B6D47DF; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 18:14:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DCF86DF1D0 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04573-02 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A714E6DF33F for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1HmGvg2Xc7-0003Pw; Fri, 11 May 2007 00:16:09 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 00:17:31 +0200 Message-ID: <2d9001e14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18DhW8wtZRmzJj870WnT3Adwyyj43fEehH+RL1 7u/O+PEG6ZkGy39b6jsj0vVfVEprHiWF/srqnxsHRtv0AqU0J0 OJca6wusxh9c7z+exCKrTNtRBa++8zC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 436 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > Generally you want notypes set to no. > > However, if > 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows > and > 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files > and > 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside > Lanman98 > then you might want to turn notypes on. > > The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a > type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows > doesn't like. In what way? Windows is perfectly happy with ,xxx extensions. Those are only given to files that do not have a mapping, so they are likely to be RISC OS specific files, with which Windows cannot do much anyway. But even with the ,nnn extension you can load the files in a Windows editor, for instance. I find it very difficult to imagine any kind of circumstances where setting Notypes to Y makes much sense. With RISC OS ,xxx extensions enabled (i.e., Notypes=N) all the cross-platform files that you might want to use under Windows as well can be mapped to a proper extension and all the rest is of no interest to the Windows side anyway. So you do not lose anything by having the RISC OS ,xxx extensions. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmH46-04V02m-03-OAST.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmH46-04V02m-03-OAST; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:24:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmH46-04V02m-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:24:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmGMD-0005pI-2d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:39:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 405EB6DEA70; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31844-09; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDC0E6DEA3B; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 189606DEA65 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31690-08 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1A2E6DEA3B for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1HmGLU2dOe-0006PA; Thu, 10 May 2007 23:38:45 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:00:53 +0200 Message-ID: <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19i08qGYCcaXm1/17YmqZSy58fqdXOX59WfHVf q+FSwqkd7N/jAMVUFY7uP+u6PD5ScCon4LhVBi/EL2a/RREJzf Rlli/c7ZWrma6aHkXp+4qvcQoVKwXum X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 434 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > [Snippy] > >> When attached to an Iyonix or a RiscPC with Castle USB, no problem. > > Martin, As you will have seen from my previous postings Unipod is > mentioned as the USB in my machine. Yes, but you wrote "Due to the **** limits in RO we are again stuffed", which is wrong because this is not a RISC OS limit. It is a limit of the podule you happen to own. RISC OS can happily write to large external hard discs. >> > The whole point of that exercise being to obviate the need to archive >> > RO stuff before backing it to a Win PC formatted Hard drive or similar. > >> There is always the option of using a network attached storage device >> and SunFish (if NFS is supported) or LanMan[98] (for the SMB protocol) >> for backups. Then you can even share the disc between platforms. > > I don't understand that at all... Considering I've already mentioned in > passing that I backup to a PC hardrive. "...and save all the work of > archiving before transferring to the Win PC backup drive." I do not understand why you do that. I always back up to my PC without archiving anything and the file types are preserved. In fact, I even have a lot of live data on my PC's hard disc, all with file types, and I work directly on it from RISC OS. > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on to > which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this SARPC, > but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all the stuff > from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like no filetypes. Why? LanMan98 transfers the filetypes (unless you explicitly instruct it not to). What happens when you drag a Sprite file into a LanMan98 Filer window? Does it not appear as a Sprite file there? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmH6I-04W05s-05-raej.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmH6I-04W05s-05-raej; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:27:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmH6I-04W05s-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:27:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmFlm-0000jv-T2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 21:01:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 974EA6DEC2F; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28114-05; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 116CF6DEC61; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 541F46DEB12 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27998-06 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net (mra05.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EBD26DEAA1 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 16:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EEFC4C71 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:01:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32380-01-40 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:01:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC084C4C46 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:01:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:01:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 430 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > [Snippy] > >> When attached to an Iyonix or a RiscPC with Castle USB, no problem. > > Martin, As you will have seen from my previous postings Unipod is > mentioned as the USB in my machine. > >> > The whole point of that exercise being to obviate the need to archive >> > RO stuff before backing it to a Win PC formatted Hard drive or similar. > >> There is always the option of using a network attached storage device >> and SunFish (if NFS is supported) or LanMan[98] (for the SMB protocol) >> for backups. Then you can even share the disc between platforms. > >> Martin > > I don't understand that at all... Considering I've already mentioned in > passing that I backup to a PC hardrive. "...and save all the work of > archiving before transferring to the Win PC backup drive." > > > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on to > which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this SARPC, > but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all the stuff > from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like no filetypes. Surely there must be something astray with your LanMan98 setup, eg do you have a current Mappings file inside LanMan98? -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmHLT-0Yx06y-05-10Nya.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmHLT-0Yx06y-05-10Nya; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:42:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmHLT-0Yx06y-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:42:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmDZw-0003t8-IV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D5576DEF17; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08719-03; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CD116DEF53; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CE226DEF17 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08563-02 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D51E96DEF15 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1HmDZ73K0a-00041O; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:40:44 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:42:17 +0200 Message-ID: <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mILGWpWbY4jPT3q05lMI+4CJxxCRFDjGDeR+ M24oO6nxSFCsh12N7vO0JKmtGhXN6RiVsYjQCGlmFVAoAg6pNn t3TAES3kaiQFDt+uDKA4rdYo2Clh6YZ X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 427 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > It seems then, to sumarize... > > Due to the crap limits in RO we are again stuffed, when trying to keep up > with the game that is now on the far distant horizon. > > Even with an external USB drive and a Wallwart power supply, there's no > way to format it to RO. When attached to an Iyonix or a RiscPC with Castle USB, no problem. > The whole point of that exercise being to obviate the need to archive RO > stuff before backing it to a Win PC formatted Hard drive or similar. There is always the option of using a network attached storage device and SunFish (if NFS is supported) or LanMan[98] (for the SMB protocol) for backups. Then you can even share the disc between platforms. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmHbN-1Yk000-06-EfO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmHbN-1Yk000-06-EfO; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:59:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmHbN-1Yk000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:59:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmHDc-0007MG-Ql for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 22:34:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F1E46DE8E7; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06499-01; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B01366DE8B1; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F3356DE89C for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06342-02 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0773E6DE896 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.51.146.189] (port=35547 helo=smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HmHCt-0001RW-Lj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 00:33:55 +0200 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.157.167]:1043 helo=arnold) by smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HmHCs-0002L4-Ba for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 00:33:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:19:35 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf Message-ID: References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 437 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In mailtje <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> schreef je: > In message <6990e4df4e.arnold@arnold.> > Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > > I tried al kind of settings but the picture in pdf always is a combination > > of the four proces colours (and not only black and magenta). > > Is the combination you see in the PDF looking like the right colour > still? Well, uhh, no. For example: a duotone, starting with 100% black and 50% magenta in Ovation ends up with 80% black, 60% magenta, 40% yellow and some cyan in pdf. We got the prints back from the printcompany today and it look's ... nice (printing black as black and magenta as a spotcolour), but it's so much different from the result in former days: printing seperated postcript files. > As I recall in OP, you have two different colours as endpoints, and > create a single curve between them. It's not as subtle an effect, and > not as flexible as a duotone, but it shouldn't introduce any other > colours either... So, I'm still wondering why cymk duotone in Ovation for Windows does not give the same cymk-values in pdf. Thanks, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmIFc-4FF002-05-V4B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmIFc-4FF002-05-V4B; Thu, 10 May 2007 23:41:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmIFc-4FF002-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 23:41:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmD9J-00047k-2V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 May 2007 18:13:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE3F96DEBA9; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03575-10; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 846F56DEC77; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 709346DEBA9 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03460-01 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA46B6DEAE9 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAO79QkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACPfAEBAQEHBggMHw Received: from [88.105.186.245] (port=10365 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmD7y-000KVO-Bg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 May 2007 19:12:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:12:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 426 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain It seems then, to sumarize... Due to the crap limits in RO we are again stuffed, when trying to keep up with the game that is now on the far distant horizon. Even with an external USB drive and a Wallwart power supply, there's no way to format it to RO. The whole point of that exercise being to obviate the need to archive RO stuff before backing it to a Win PC formatted Hard drive or similar. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmOkL-1d3GPo-08-G2w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmOkL-1d3GPo-08-G2w; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:36:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmOkL-1d3GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:36:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmOkK-0005Rj-Sf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:36:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 839416DE9C8; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09078-02; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F7D06DE950; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 02:34:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C23966DE912 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08933-01 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 645086DE8AE for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 02:34:29 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAEGrQ0bUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACPfQEBAQEHCAYMHw Received: from [88.105.153.146] (port=10286 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmOjc-00051Y-VH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:36:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:22:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee12dfbfadfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 438 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk>, Martin Devon wrote: [Snip] > That looks like it. If you are minded to experiment, try running an NFS > server on your PC. Sunfish is twice as fast as LanMan for write > operations. Hohohoho! and to quote a famous tennis player. "You cannot be serious" I did look at Sunfish a very short while ago (Mentioned it on ..networking) I couldn't understand anything in the help file (Alien language) let alone set it up. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmPS6-0z3000-05-FLB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmPS6-0z3000-05-FLB; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:22:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmPS6-0z3000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:22:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmPS4-0003YA-Q6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:22:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF78F6DD0FA; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12875-10; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49CC76DE097; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 03:19:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D8B86DE485 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12727-08 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2C496DE47F for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:19:37 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIe1Q0bUSnILk2dsb2JhbACPfQEBAQEHCAYMHw Received: from [88.105.153.146] (port=10706 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmPRJ-000DHJ-LV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:21:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:20:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 439 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: [Snip] > Generally you want notypes set to no. > However, if > 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows > and > 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files > and > 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside > Lanman98 > then you might want to turn notypes on. > The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a > type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows > doesn't like. > However with notypes set, you can't handle RISC OS applications > because the runimage, sprites, run and obey files all end up as text > filetypes (when seen from RISC OS). Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. Aside from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. Now I've remembered... If I continue to remember, I'll change it when I want to transport RO stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmQ3p-2lI000-04-EjS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmQ3p-2lI000-04-EjS; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:01:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmQ3p-2lI000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:01:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmQ3n-0001Iz-S8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:01:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F1DE6DE6EE; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16186-08; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FEE96DEA51; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 03:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 081CF6DE6EE for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16093-04 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A74C96DE6CC for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1HmQ343pph-0000p0; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:00:24 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:01:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/TiJkkDhEw0/cn1WYL220JHX5F66U8dYrDy+0 7uhCmXHbzdHhQT2rRF9FO+oi2/kYgGLTNBJ6B/tOSRZhC1j4My mQ6qz96/PfuZlbcPZKEYSSDqLWhvo3S X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 440 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. > Aside from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are > using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very > confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea But the whole point of the mapping system is to avoid precisely that. If you have a mapping between .jpg and &c85 then a JPEG saved from RISC OS as Refurb/jpg ends up as Refurb.jpg on the PC, not as Refurb.jpg,c85. And it still has filetype JPEG when seen from RISC OS. > So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. > Now I've remembered... If I continue to remember, I'll change it when I > want to transport RO stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. No, that would be silly. You can have the best of both worlds without having to change anything. Simply add the required mappings and everything just works. As I wrote in another post, it is really hard to imagine any kind of circumstances where Notypes Y makes any sense. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmQ9E-34E000-01-Ee3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmQ9E-34E000-01-Ee3; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:06:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmQ9E-34E000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:06:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmQ9D-0006B1-T7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:06:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 362D06DEABB; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16754-09; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7D676DEC04; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BDF76DEABB for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16623-09 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E544C6DE5E9 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-189-205.as15444.net [82.163.189.205]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4B85kSn032736 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:05:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: Ovation Pro Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:07:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] IdxPro Message-ID: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 441 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Maybe I'm being thick, but rtfm doesn't help. I'm adding index entries to a book - more than can be done in a single session - so when I resume, I want to go to the last entry to pick up where I left off. I can't find a way to do this, other than keep clicking the up arrow in the review button, while O-Pro renders every page that has an entry. Is there a better way? John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmQKB-3gu000-05-ET6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmQKB-3gu000-05-ET6; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:18:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmQKB-3gu000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:18:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmQKA-0003pM-RT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:18:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 795136DCF91; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17874-05; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FD5A6DD109; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 04:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 285286DCF91 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17566-07 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C34B66DCDFB for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HmQJS-0005z2-W3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:17:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:17:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 442 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes > wrote: > > Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. Aside > > from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are > > using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very > > confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea > But the whole point of the mapping system is to avoid precisely that. > If you have a mapping between .jpg and &c85 then a JPEG saved from > RISC OS as Refurb/jpg ends up as Refurb.jpg on the PC, not as > Refurb.jpg,c85. And it still has filetype JPEG when seen from RISC OS. > > So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. Now I've remembered... If > > I continue to remember, I'll change it when I want to transport RO > > stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. > No, that would be silly. You can have the best of both worlds without > having to change anything. Simply add the required mappings and > everything just works. As I wrote in another post, it is really hard > to imagine any kind of circumstances where Notypes Y makes any sense. I'm reading these posts with interest, but where does one obtain a definitive copy of the map and, how do you stop any other application using its own map (if that happens). Where is Notypes by the way. When transfer files across to an XP machine from my RiscPc via LanMan98 I see the ,extension added. I live with it, but I appreciate I don't have to. Apologies if I'm asking out of topic here. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmQNd-3tG000-04-EPe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmQNd-3tG000-04-EPe; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:21:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmQNd-3tG000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:21:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmQNc-0000P3-2v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:21:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB6C76DE327; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18133-09; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C16D6DE914; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F8966DE327 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18054-01 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net (mra05.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE13E6DB27A for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D177AC467F for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:20:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02206-01-81 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:20:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from martins_pc (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78016C4672 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:20:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:20:50 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-Id: <20070511092050.b3aee7da.martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 443 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On Fri, 11 May 2007 08:20:28 +0100 Dave Symes wrote: > In article <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Generally you want notypes set to no. > > > However, if > > 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows > > and > > 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files > > and > > 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside > > Lanman98 > > then you might want to turn notypes on. > > > The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a > > type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows > > doesn't like. > > > However with notypes set, you can't handle RISC OS applications > > because the runimage, sprites, run and obey files all end up as text > > filetypes (when seen from RISC OS). > > Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. > Aside from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are > using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very > confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea > > So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. > Now I've remembered... If I continue to remember, I'll change it when I > want to transport RO stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. No need. If you add these filetypes to the Mappings file the ",xxx" part will not be added. Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmQXN-4RX000-02-EFu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmQXN-4RX000-02-EFu; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:31:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmQXN-4RX000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:31:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmQXN-0003bV-KH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:31:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38F6A6DEDAC; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19231-08; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF6AE6DEE63; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B45A6DEDAC for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19124-06 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F5CD6DEBA6 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-189-205.as15444.net [82.163.189.205]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4B8UhTs001075 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:30:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: Ovation Pro Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:32:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro Message-ID: <4ee139e7f0john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, john@jaharrison.me.uk wrote: > Maybe I'm being thick, but rtfm doesn't help. And while I am at it, there must be a way to make the index entry points visible, because they are visible in the example, but I can't find a way to turn them on and off. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmQgq-0Kxknw-04-E6R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmQgq-0Kxknw-04-E6R; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmQgq-0Kxknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmQgp-0000AC-0k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:41:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADAD96DEE6D; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20200-10; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4202A6DEF0B; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 04:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74D786DEE6D for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20086-08 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D6B86DEC6B for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1HmQfw3LEM-0000ja; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:40:42 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:42:08 +0200 Message-ID: <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/oiXlrvW/rZVy3mA+i6mSisteNtPC+TmTmQun jd0m/3P4TFaH3YjgAO8eYqCfxAnU3daxNx37qTduPJdqYhimF4 eeUNWJ6Dzg40C6GvMvf8bhq5URXexyN X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 445 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> Phil wrote: > I'm reading these posts with interest, but where does one obtain a > definitive copy of the map The mappings file that came with my copy of LanMan98 has far more filetypes in it than I recognise. Amongst others, it has mappings for JPEG and DXF, which were the examples Dave quoted. So, the answer is: Use the supplied standard map. The number of file types you are going to create and store on your PC that have a meaning to both RISC OS and the PC is very small anyway. You might discover a new one every couple of months but then you simply add it to the mapping file (!LanMan98.Mappings) and that is it. The most likely scenario is that the supplied mapping has all the types you need. > and how do you stop any other application > using its own map (if that happens). Sorry, that question does not make any sense in this context. LanMan98 applies the mapping to all files saved to remote discs it handles, no matter from which application you save. > When transfer files across to an XP machine from my RiscPc via LanMan98 I > see the ,extension added. I live with it, but I appreciate I don't have > to. Of course, if you want to save a file for use under Windows you need to save it with the correct DOS extension (e.g., save a text file as file/txt from RISC OS or a JPEG as file/jpg), otherwise Windows cannot understand it anyway. If the extension matches the RISC OS file type, then there is no additional ,xxx extension. If you save a file without DOS extension, then Windows would not know what to do with it anyway, so the ,xxx extension that LanMan98 adds in that case does not make things worse. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmR11-1b5knw-06-DmG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmR11-1b5knw-06-DmG; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:02:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmR11-1b5knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:02:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmR0y-00008t-5Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:02:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C02626DE9E3; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22275-02; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DEBB6DEA16; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 04:59:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 680116DE9E3 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22016-06 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67B556DE942 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 04:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HmR0D-0003KM-BH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:01:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:01:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 446 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> Phil > wrote: > > I'm reading these posts with interest, but where does one obtain a > > definitive copy of the map > The mappings file that came with my copy of LanMan98 has far more > filetypes in it than I recognise. Amongst others, it has mappings for > JPEG and DXF, which were the examples Dave quoted. So, the answer is: > Use the supplied standard map. > The number of file types you are going to create and store on your PC > that have a meaning to both RISC OS and the PC is very small anyway. > You might discover a new one every couple of months but then you > simply add it to the mapping file (!LanMan98.Mappings) and that is it. > The most likely scenario is that the supplied mapping has all the > types you need. > > and how do you stop any other application using its own map (if that > > happens). > Sorry, that question does not make any sense in this context. LanMan98 > applies the mapping to all files saved to remote discs it handles, no > matter from which application you save. Thats my ignorance Martin.. but I did believe that as Lanman did the neccessary. > > When transfer files across to an XP machine from my RiscPc via > > LanMan98 I see the ,extension added. I live with it, but I appreciate > > I don't have to. > Of course, if you want to save a file for use under Windows you need > to save it with the correct DOS extension (e.g., save a text file as > file/txt from RISC OS or a JPEG as file/jpg), otherwise Windows cannot > understand it anyway. If the extension matches the RISC OS file type, > then there is no additional ,xxx extension. Yes I do use the correct extensions, i.e text as text/text etc and I'm aware of this for Windows If I transfer a zip file from RO to the XP machine I get ,a91 added Maybe I should be updating the MAP. A definitive guide anyone?? > If you save a file without DOS extension, then Windows would not know > what to do with it anyway, so the ,xxx extension that LanMan98 adds in > that case does not make things worse. This I do appreciate. While I have to use the XP machine at times, I little patience with it which I guess is a bit disrespectful of the work thats gone into making Windows XP work with nearly all and sundry applications that people write for it. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmR2b-1iaknw-07-Dkg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmR2b-1iaknw-07-Dkg; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:03:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmR2b-1iaknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:03:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmR2a-0000UE-Gv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:03:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAF206DE542; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22429-05; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C0286DE6C0; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 05:01:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD0206DE542 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22328-06 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail1.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02EE86DE630 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail1.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A645B6E856 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:55:56 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:55:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee13c03dcbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > Yes it does have a mappings file inside LM98. I've also got > Notypes set to Y I can't remember why now, there was some > reason. I guess if I change that to N it will preserve all the > filetypes, but I still wonder why I set it to Y in the first > place. I too have NoTypes set to Y, but will have to review this once I have understood the discussion in this thread. Besides the matter of file-typing, does not zipping before backing up also properly preserve files' date-time information? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmREB-2W0knw-03-DZ6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmREB-2W0knw-03-DZ6; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:15:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmREB-2W0knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:15:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmREA-0005rk-0n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB0C56DEC24; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23678-06; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 471836DEB50; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 05:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FFD26DEC24 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23404-06 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 540D26DEAFB for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 05:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1HmRDP3Ks6-0006w8; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:15:07 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:17 +0200 Message-ID: <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ADdEXMilOSLlaJ9nwJJ1AhXP6kGrcOeAjevF YGtCH/eWmD4zlJnELSiMMPrrNhnwuSsm3AYjJy1xfENwWQmFi7 gJnK8pytY7JajZsL5eOEDnlClAgYKWX X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 448 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> Phil wrote: > If I transfer a zip file from RO to the XP machine I get ,a91 added > > Maybe I should be updating the MAP. A definitive guide anyone?? The definitive guide is to add the line LanMan98Map ZIP &A91 to !LanMan98.Mappings to solve the above problem and double-click on Mappings to make it take effect immediately. Proceed in a similar way for any other missing type you might encounter. There is nothing more to it. LanMan98 predates the use of type A91 for RISC OS zip files introduced by SparkFS at some stage (hey, back on topic for this group!), so this is probably the only important type missing from the default mapping. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:16:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmRyu-1KPVbs-08-CoN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:16:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmRyu-1KPVbs-08-CoN; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:04:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmRyu-1KPVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:04:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmRyu-0005Sl-Ak for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:04:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E62BD6DEA1C; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29105-04; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EC136DEA52; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 06:01:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A8DD6DEA1C for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28918-05 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA5A26DEA98 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HmRyD-0002zP-4O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 449 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> Phil > wrote: > > If I transfer a zip file from RO to the XP machine I get ,a91 added > > > > Maybe I should be updating the MAP. A definitive guide anyone?? > The definitive guide is to add the line > LanMan98Map ZIP &A91 > to !LanMan98.Mappings to solve the above problem and double-click on > Mappings to make it take effect immediately. Proceed in a similar way > for any other missing type you might encounter. There is nothing more > to it. > LanMan98 predates the use of type A91 for RISC OS zip files introduced > by SparkFS at some stage (hey, back on topic for this group!), so this > is probably the only important type missing from the default mapping. Hey back on topic, I hope so, as its more interesting than my delema, but nevertheless thanks, its appreciated and to be honest, I think it is only the zip files that get the extra. Now, like Brian, what and where is Notype. If Zipping up files didnt take so long I'd zip em and put them on my XP backup disk. I use the datasafe via the printer port. I'll end up off topic here, I dont want to go down the Ionyx route, but I really would like to upgrade to something thats quicker purely for zipping and other tasks that take time. My APDL Turbo RiscPC is now 10 years old, and I need a backup. Yes I go virtual.. Back on topic now folks. Thanks again. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From Reprografie@harderwijk.nl Fri May 11 11:46:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmSZ1-433Vbs-06-CEG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:46:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmSZ1-433Vbs-06-CEG; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:41:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmSZ1-433Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:41:31 +0000 Received: from [84.246.42.106] (helo=mail.harderwijk.nl) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmSYy-0004Gw-N7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:41:31 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EX01.harderwijk.local) ([192.168.1.20]) by mail.harderwijk.nl with ESMTP; 11 May 2007 12:41:28 +0200 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,521,1170630000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="690766:sNHT42064380" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C793B8.ED8F2133" Subject: Automatisch antwoord bij afwezigheid: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:41:27 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Thread-Index: AceTuO2PZk1KmuIWRMmvnC9uZmTWWAAAAABl From: "Reprografie" To: "David Pilling" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C793B8.ED8F2133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ik ben afwezig tot 30 mei. Voor dringende zaken kunt u contact opnemen met =E9=E9n van mijn collega's. Vriendelijke groet,=20 Bea Kamphuis Het gemeentebestuur van Harderwijk doet zijn uiterste best om de juiste en = meest actuele informatie te verschaffen. Desondanks kunnen aan dit elektron= ische bericht geen rechten worden ontleend.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C793B8.ED8F2133 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Automatisch antwoord bij afwezigheid: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.4= 1 (RISC OS) - Zip size max?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C793B8.ED8F2133-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:46:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmSZq-474Vbs-04-CDR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:46:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmSZq-474Vbs-04-CDR; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:42:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmSZq-474Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:42:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmSZb-0007IG-FJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:42:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 934866DEE05; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01553-06; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 296246DEE08; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 06:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5691E6DEE05 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01419-08 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FECB6DEDA8 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HmSYc-000AdK-DP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:41:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:40:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 450 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >If Zipping up files didnt take so long I'd zip em and put them on my XP >backup disk. I use the datasafe via the printer port. I have been known to zip files before back up - so I could put stuff on CD, another alien filing system which is not always a happy match with RISC OS - anyway I used to turn off compression for the Zip file type (SparkFS choices). That makes things a lot faster. Also, at some stage I fine tuned SparkFS so that adding lots of files to an archive was much faster. This came in with SparkFS 1.36, if you have a version older than that you'll suffer. Since it is a free upgrade from my web site you have no need to. See ReadMe for an explanation. Alternatives - the command line version of info zip. Long long time ago the fastest archiver was PackdDir, which I recall could archive stuff faster than RISC OS could copy files. You can use SparkFS for accessing PackdDir archives. >really would like to upgrade to something thats quicker purely for >zipping and other tasks that take time. My APDL Turbo RiscPC is now 10 >years old, and I need a backup. Yes I go virtual.. Maybe we need a way of farming out the compression to a PC. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:46:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmScX-4J4Vbs-01-CAk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:46:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmScX-4J4Vbs-01-CAk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:45:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmScX-4J4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:45:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmScW-0002Ds-NF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:45:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDD316DEDC0; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02152-04; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FC406DEE66; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 06:42:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7E156DEE3F for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02033-03 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D7D06DEE66 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1HmSbn35nO-0000ok; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:44:23 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:45:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX184qCmbORQhC1qH3Uged1kcAZywO0P+7O3IR2k 2dvjquFp1TU5lf0lfO1tGodWrH/OeAHjNFN7PtCgqd9co3lHFR nU+Tq70iou/ykyjiUa6Aelo/rpuEt9Z X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 451 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> Phil wrote: > On 11 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> LanMan98 predates the use of type A91 for RISC OS zip files introduced >> by SparkFS at some stage (hey, back on topic for this group!), so this >> is probably the only important type missing from the default mapping. > > Hey back on topic, I hope so, as its more interesting than my delema, but > nevertheless thanks, its appreciated and to be honest, I think it is only > the zip files that get the extra. > > Now, like Brian, what and where is Notype. Simply forget about it. If you find that all files you transfer to the PC get the extra ,xxx extension despite having the correct DOS extension, THEN you will have to worry about Notypes, because then you have switched it on at some stage and you probably want to switch it off. In all other cases, simply forget that anyone ever mentioned it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 11:56:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmSiy-067GPo-01-C4J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:56:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmSiy-067GPo-01-C4J; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:51:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmSiy-067GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:51:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmSix-0003dH-P1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:51:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FAE46DE306; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03019-02; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B46366DE451; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 06:49:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93DFC6DE355 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02876-04 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AEB26DE33E for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 06:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HmSgk-000EvW-MY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 10:49:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:47:47 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 452 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >In mailtje <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> schreef je: >Well, uhh, no. For example: a duotone, starting with 100% black and >50% magenta in Ovation ends up with 80% black, 60% magenta, 40% >yellow and some cyan in pdf. We got the prints back from the printcompany >today and it look's ... nice (printing black as black and magenta as a >spotcolour), but it's so much different from the result in former days: >printing seperated postcript files. Two things. (1) Have you got Direct PostScript set in OPW Print choices (2) If you don't have Direct PostScript set (and are not using a PostScript based driver), then your CMYK colours will be converted to RGB using the settings in OPW colour choices. I think there may be another point. How is the PDF generated? Some PDF printer drivers work using PostScript (Adobe for example) and can be expected to use the CMYK colour model. Others are based around Windows meta files (as are most printer drivers), if you use one of those then the print file will be turned into RGB. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 12:06:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmSuk-0zXGPo-05-BsX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:06:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmSuk-0zXGPo-05-BsX; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmSuk-0zXGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmSuk-000726-Fq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:03:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 111376DE550; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04319-06; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A68FB6DE707; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 07:01:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00B356DE550 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04224-01 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2ECA6DE368 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HmSu2-0004dj-Du for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:03:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:03:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 453 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> Phil > wrote: > > On 11 May, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > >> LanMan98 predates the use of type A91 for RISC OS zip files > >> introduced by SparkFS at some stage (hey, back on topic for this > >> group!), so this is probably the only important type missing from > >> the default mapping. > > > > Hey back on topic, I hope so, as its more interesting than my delema, > > but nevertheless thanks, its appreciated and to be honest, I think it > > is only the zip files that get the extra. > > > > Now, like Brian, what and where is Notype. > Simply forget about it. > If you find that all files you transfer to the PC get the extra ,xxx > extension despite having the correct DOS extension, THEN you will have > to worry about Notypes, because then you have switched it on at some > stage and you probably want to switch it off. In all other cases, > simply forget that anyone ever mentioned it. All files seem ok, and now I've added the line you suggest, the problems with ZIP have gone. I'll now forget that anyone ever mentioned Notype. In answer to D P post. I have SaprkFS 1.41 and I'd not tried taking off compression. Not used PackdDir. I'll have to weigh up the time to zip up and then send via lanman, compared to simply putting it onto The datasafe. Thanks again. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 12:16:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmT37-1cbGPo-04-BkA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:16:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmT37-1cbGPo-04-BkA; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:12:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmT37-1cbGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:12:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmT36-0005Bs-VP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:12:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86F3D6DEB16; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05239-09; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 175A96DECC6; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0CD46DECDF for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05098-04 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6BAD6DECBC for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-38-243.as15444.net [82.163.38.243]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4BBBX79005914 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:11:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:07:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4e0a48e14e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 454 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May 2007 Dave Symes wrote: > In article <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Generally you want notypes set to no. > >> However, if >> 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows >> and >> 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files >> and >> 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside >> Lanman98 >> then you might want to turn notypes on. > >> The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a >> type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows >> doesn't like. > >> However with notypes set, you can't handle RISC OS applications >> because the runimage, sprites, run and obey files all end up as text >> filetypes (when seen from RISC OS). > > Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. > Aside from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are > using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very > confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea > > So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. > Now I've remembered... If I continue to remember, I'll change it when I > want to transport RO stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. Or do as I do; have two otherwise identical shares (or discs, as LanMan98 calls them), one set with filetypes on and one with filetypes off. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 12:26:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmT8c-21hGPo-05-Bef.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:26:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmT8c-21hGPo-05-Bef; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:18:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmT8c-21hGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:18:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmT8a-0004W5-LD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:18:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41B826DD850; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05922-04; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0AE36DD53A; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 07:15:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F6456DD850 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05814-10 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BF1F6DD800 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HmT7t-000Blf-6G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:16:15 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >I'll have to weigh up the time to zip up and then send via lanman, >compared to simply putting it onto The datasafe. You can open a Zip file on Windows using SparkFS and then add the files. That provides yet another route with its own time delay. I say this with some unease because I think I've seen it work and seen it not work. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 12:26:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmTDc-2NwGPo-03-BZf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmTDc-2NwGPo-03-BZf; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:23:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmTDc-2NwGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:23:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmTDZ-0007MG-Qi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:23:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E51E06DE5A2; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06331-07; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8221E6DE7E1; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 07:20:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B86936DE5A2 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06198-09 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D24C16DE509 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HmTCs-00076s-Jj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:22:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:22:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee1497049philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 456 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes > >I'll have to weigh up the time to zip up and then send via lanman, > >compared to simply putting it onto The datasafe. > You can open a Zip file on Windows using SparkFS and then add the > files. That provides yet another route with its own time delay. > I say this with some unease because I think I've seen it work and seen > it not work. Ah, this sounds like Russian Roulette! Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 12:36:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmTOF-0H9000-03-BP2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:36:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmTOF-0H9000-03-BP2; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:34:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmTOF-0H9000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:34:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmTOF-0007eV-By for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:34:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12FFF6DED32; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07318-09; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A20F56DEDC0; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 820886DED32 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07238-04 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50BBF6DEC0A for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 07:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HmTNY-000PVb-MV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:33:45 +0000 Message-ID: <1kvx$jGERFRGFwfH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:32:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee1422f71philco@heter.co.uk> <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk> <4ee1497049philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee1497049philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 457 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee1497049philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >On 11 May, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4ee147a850philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil >> writes >> >I'll have to weigh up the time to zip up and then send via lanman, >> >compared to simply putting it onto The datasafe. > >> You can open a Zip file on Windows using SparkFS and then add the >> files. That provides yet another route with its own time delay. > >> I say this with some unease because I think I've seen it work and seen >> it not work. >Ah, this sounds like Russian Roulette! Depends. It might be it works on later versions e.g. when using the Iyonix. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 13:56:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmUWC-2efknw-01-AH5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:56:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmUWC-2efknw-01-AH5; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:46:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmUWC-2efknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:46:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmUWC-00049Y-1J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:46:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 533AC6DF0ED; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16502-05; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD6A86DF0F2; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 08:44:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7B036DE37F for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12777-08 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7265C6DEB1C for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([83.105.41.119]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HmU8h-000Ejt-D1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:22:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:21:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Paul Shayler Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <9ad1ebdf4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <13a54ce04e.martinv@ucs.de> <1df17ae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4ee0b8a9b9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0b8a9b9dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.05-S (<5G0CpOrYkgK6MPlFoSTSc1BXnp>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 458 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: g6tsf@amsat.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0b8a9b9dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >In article <4ee0b67faacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: >> In article <4ee0ab9573dfs@ukgateway.net>, >> Dave Symes wrote: >> > > >> > I have a SARPC with a Unipod card and USB. I can get an external 2.5 >> > inch USB Hard drive that is powered from the USB socket, and requires >> > no other external power source. Will this setup function connected >> > to a Unipod? Put another way... Does the Unipod have enough power to >> > do the business? > >> One thing to bear in mind is that these devices sometimes have two USB >> connectors to get sufficient power into the unit (I assume some form of >> current limiting on individual ports). You will need to ensure that you >> have 2 spare ports. > >I think you are right, it does seem to require two USB ports. >It's a device aimed at Laptop etc users for backup, so I would assume/hope >the power requirement would be low. > >Cheers >Dave S > >PS: If anyone is interested. >http://www.novatech.com product code: NOV-ND280 > >D. > Looking at the spec on the Novatech website for the NOV-ND280, the device your talking about, it comes with a "normal" USB cable and a "bus power" USB cable. So you may well need to use two USB ports. Paul S. -- Paul Shayler M3TSF/G6TSF Running the Internet accelerator ONSPEED. Details at http://www.onspeed.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 14:06:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmUll-3XKknw-02-A1W.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 14:06:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmUll-3XKknw-02-A1W; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:02:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmUll-3XKknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:02:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmUli-0006a3-Lb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:02:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B23FE6DEF75; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18490-02-2; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BCA66DEFF1; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBD566DEF75 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18276-04 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C8436DEEDB for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 09:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-35-38.teleos-web.de [87.245.35.38]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31B92BF5B1 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:02:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 11 May 2007 15:02:39 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:02:39 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <739952e14e.martinv@ucs.de> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 459 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > [Snippy] > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP PC, on to > which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff from this SARPC, > but in order to do that I *have* to archive (Uncompressed) all the stuff > from this machine, otherwise it ends up in crap order, like no filetypes. > Easy, use proper extensions like '.jpeg'. Guess I need my asbestos now... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 11 18:06:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HmYTI-4Wyknw-08-EqV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:06:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HmYTI-4Wyknw-08-EqV; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:00:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HmYTI-4Wyknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:00:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HmYTH-0004uF-B5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:00:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FA536DF12C; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20772-08; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D48A6DF109; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FBBF6DF1BC for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20662-05 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1E2E6DF089 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D22391C00086 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-5441b8b5.lns2-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.184.181]) by mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 933791C00082 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:59:15 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070511165915603.933791C00082@mwinf3419.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: <473d68e14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Generally you want notypes set to no. > >> However, if >> 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows >> and >> 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files >> and >> 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside >> Lanman98 >> then you might want to turn notypes on. > >> The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a >> type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows >> doesn't like. > >> However with notypes set, you can't handle RISC OS applications >> because the runimage, sprites, run and obey files all end up as text >> filetypes (when seen from RISC OS). > > Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. > Aside from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are > using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very > confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea > > So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. > Now I've remembered... If I continue to remember, I'll change it when I > want to transport RO stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. > One possible way is to designate part of your Windows disk for these attachments, and share it separately. Then have two Lanman98 drives, one to the main disk with notypes=n, and another to the smaller share with notypes-y. Then you just use the appropriate drive to access depending on what you are doing. > Cheers > Dave S > -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 13 11:57:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnBES-0HQGPo-04-ABP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:57:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnBES-0HQGPo-04-ABP; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:23:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnBES-0HQGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:23:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnBES-0007Mv-7r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:23:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 229896DE99C; Sun, 13 May 2007 06:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28780-08; Sun, 13 May 2007 06:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC9426DE560; Sun, 13 May 2007 06:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 May 2007 06:20:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 701E76DE99C for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 06:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28714-02 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 06:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BAB86DE983 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 06:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HnBDk-0004Kb-4R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:22:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:19:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 461 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin > > Wuerthner wrote: [Snippy] > > [Snip] > > > > I don't understand that at all... Considering I've already > > mentioned in passing that I backup to a PC hardrive. "...and > > save all the work of archiving before transferring to the Win PC > > backup drive." > I do not understand why you do that. I always back up to my PC > without archiving anything and the file types are preserved. In > fact, I even have a lot of live data on my PC's hard disc, all > with file types, and I work directly on it from RISC OS. > > At present I have an external USB Hardrive connected to the XP > > PC, on to which I backup XP PC stuff and via LanMan98, and stuff > > from this SARPC, but in order to do that I *have* to archive > > (Uncompressed) all the stuff from this machine, otherwise it ends > > up in crap order, like no filetypes. > Why? LanMan98 transfers the filetypes (unless you explicitly > instruct it not to). What happens when you drag a Sprite file into > a LanMan98 Filer window? Does it not appear as a Sprite file there? > Martin As the OP, I now feel terribly stupid. However, I cannot say that I should never have started this thread. Let me explain (if I can). I wanted to backup both Windows and RISC OS machines to a device which could be easily connected/disconnected to and from the network linking the various machines, for the purpose of creating an overall "fire-proof" backup to be kept in an other place. Reason? I did not like the thought of my office going up in flames and losing everything, which happened recently to an accountant of my acquaintance. You can imagine his problems with clients clamouring for their end-of-year accounts and tax returns. I thought my solution was a single very large hard drive, USB- connected to one of the Windows machines on my network, with directories allocated to each machine on the network. Do the backups as required, unplug it and put it in the "safe" (away from the office and house). OK, that may not sound too convenient, but it would be less of a hassle than having to re-create a large number of files. That was where my stupidity started. I copied RISC OS files across the network using LanMan98 to the appropriate directory. Looking at the directory on the USB hard drive, I saw the files copied appearing with the ",xxx" extensions. Foolishly, I thought this was not what I wanted and that was the point at which I started to Zip up files and started asking you all about the problems which naturally followed. Having read the ensuing contributions, I wandered from "despair" to "wonder" to "realisation". Martin is quite right (of course); when you view the USB drive's directory, it shows files with the ",xxx" extensions, *but* when viewed over the network using LanMan98 on the RISC OS machine the LanMan98 directory shows those same files without that extension and correctly filetyped according to RISC OS. What is more, with LanMan98 running on VirtualAcorn, the same files in the USB drive are seen as correctly filetyped there also. This happy resolution has appeared to me only slowly. Hence the reason I feel so stupid. Please! Don't tell me I'm wrong and seeing things which are not there. It would definitely not make my day. With appropriate apologies for the nuisance caused. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.10. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 13 12:27:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnC7y-1ppGPo-04-9Ht.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:27:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnC7y-1ppGPo-04-9Ht; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:20:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnC7y-1ppGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:20:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnC7w-0002A9-Bb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:20:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D56BC6DEB7D; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00829-02; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7918B6DEB41; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A97F6DEF07 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00684-06 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30E9E6DEB41 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HnC77-000MtI-A8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:19:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:18:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson writes >view the USB drive's directory, it shows files with the ",xxx" >extensions, *but* when viewed over the network using LanMan98 on the >RISC OS machine the LanMan98 directory shows those same files without >that extension and correctly filetyped according to RISC OS. Yes that's the point. As long as you only want to access the files from RISC OS, the comma file type added to their names is invisible and does the job of preserving file type information for you. The commas etc. only become a bit tedious if you also want to access the files on Windows. I've had to make Ovation Pro for Windows accept files with commas on the end of the extensions. Anyway this has been a comprehensive discussion, I've learnt something from it. I think a lot of people have trouble with this area, pity that there's no fix. In other words next week this topic will start again somewhere -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 13 12:47:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnCXn-2cHGPo-03-8s4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:47:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnCXn-2cHGPo-03-8s4; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:47:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnCXn-2cHGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:47:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnCXm-0003uo-L5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:47:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 585886DE411; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02937-01; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E06176DC8E0; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 May 2007 07:44:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 849A76DF192 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02644-05 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53EB86DF191 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 07:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HnCX5-0005qx-JA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:46:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:46:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee25343f7philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 463 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 13 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson > writes > >view the USB drive's directory, it shows files with the ",xxx" > >extensions, *but* when viewed over the network using LanMan98 on the > >RISC OS machine the LanMan98 directory shows those same files without > >that extension and correctly filetyped according to RISC OS. > Yes that's the point. As long as you only want to access the files from > RISC OS, the comma file type added to their names is invisible and > does the job of preserving file type information for you. > The commas etc. only become a bit tedious if you also want to access > the files on Windows. I've had to make Ovation Pro for Windows accept > files with commas on the end of the extensions. > Anyway this has been a comprehensive discussion, I've learnt something > from it. It doesnt takr a lot for me to learn something new, but I certainly did too. Thanks Frank. > I think a lot of people have trouble with this area, > pity that there's no fix. In other words next week this topic will > start again somewhere Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 13 16:17:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnFp0-3NSknw-02-E7N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:17:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnFp0-3NSknw-02-E7N; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:17:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnFp0-3NSknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:17:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnFp0-0003pv-K7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:17:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 006BB6DEC8D; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20786-06; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BCC56DEB53; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 May 2007 11:14:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8B956DF4ED for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20492-08 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net (mra05.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 898646DF4D0 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68206C46B2 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:16:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03204-01-11 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:16:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DA9C4242 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:16:33 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:16:27 +0100 Message-ID: <4d8566e24e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 464 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > I think a lot of people have trouble with this area, > pity that there's no fix. In other words next week this topic will start > again somewhere > At the risk of stirring up more mud, there is an interesting difference in the mapping schemes between LanMan98 or Sunfish on one hand and HostFS in VirtualAcorn on the other. (Assuming type a91 is mapped as .zip) A zip file called "new" saved under LanMan98 appears on Windows as "new,a91" while a file "new/zip" appears as "new.zip" Under HostFS "new" appears as "new.zip" and "new/zip" turns up as "new.zip.zip" Interestingly HostFS cannot copy a zip file"new" as "new/zip" in the same directory. HostFS is happy to interpret say "new.zip" and "new.jpg" (as seen in Windows) as two files both named "new" in the same directory but with different icons, while LanMan98 produces new/zip and new/jpg respectively. Martin -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 13 21:27:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnKdQ-28k000-07-9Ix.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 21:27:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnKdQ-28k000-07-9Ix; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:25:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnKdQ-28k000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:25:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnKdP-0003sm-KH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:25:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B66D6DEA7A; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17003-04; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D95696DEDEB; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D36946DEA7A for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16894-05 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 810166DEA37 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id F080CC400089 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 22:24:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-54456cc5.lns6-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.69.108.197]) by mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AE4C6C400085 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 22:24:56 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070513202456714.AE4C6C400085@mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:24:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <068cfae04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee24b5f21frank@aaug.net> <4d8566e24e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d8566e24e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4d8566e24e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Martin Devon wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > >> I think a lot of people have trouble with this area, >> pity that there's no fix. In other words next week this topic will start >> again somewhere >> > At the risk of stirring up more mud, there is an interesting > difference in the mapping schemes between LanMan98 or Sunfish on one > hand and HostFS in VirtualAcorn on the other. > > (Assuming type a91 is mapped as .zip) > > A zip file called "new" saved under LanMan98 appears on Windows as > "new,a91" while a file "new/zip" appears as "new.zip" > > Under HostFS "new" appears as "new.zip" and "new/zip" turns up as > "new.zip.zip" > > Interestingly HostFS cannot copy a zip file"new" as "new/zip" in the > same directory. > > HostFS is happy to interpret say "new.zip" and "new.jpg" (as seen in > Windows) as two files both named "new" in the same directory but with > different icons, while LanMan98 produces new/zip and new/jpg > respectively. > > Martin A couple of years ago, while I was setting up file sharing using VRPC+HostFS, and Lanman98 to the same PC in each case (in other words, both to the VRPC emulator, via HostFS to the PC disk, and to the Windows system via LanMan to the same disc), I managed to create two apparently identical files in the same directory. By identical I mean that Windows reported the name, size and creation dates as being identical, yet there were TWO files in the one directory. It even let me delete ONE of them! I mention it now because I think the mechanism involved copying a file with and without the /extension corresponding to the RISC OS filetype, e.g. a text file called fred and a text file called fred/txt. (I renamed it between copying attempts). Instead of replacing the file, HostFS seemed to have created an identical duplicate. I also spent considerable time ensuring HostFS's and LanMan98 used the same mappings. Without that step, there was considerable confusion in the file system. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 14 21:15:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HndKL-4OCVbs-03-GBa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:15:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HndKL-4OCVbs-03-GBa; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:23:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HndKL-4OCVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:23:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HndKK-0006si-Qa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:23:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 496E86DF9E3; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03792-01; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D89446DF62E; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2007 12:20:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E08776DF9AB for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03647-04 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FFC16DF6DB for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HndJd-0005j2-3X for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:22:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: <385cf0e24e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> > Phil wrote: > >> If I transfer a zip file from RO to the XP machine I get ,a91 added >> >> Maybe I should be updating the MAP. A definitive guide anyone?? > > The definitive guide is to add the line > > LanMan98Map ZIP &A91 > > to !LanMan98.Mappings to solve the above problem and double-click on > Mappings to make it take effect immediately. Proceed in a similar way > for any other missing type you might encounter. There is nothing more > to it. Mine had LanMan98Map ZIP &DDC [snip] -- Chris Hughes Don't miss the Wakefield Show - 19th May http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 14 21:15:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnfS6-45W000-02-E3p.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:15:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnfS6-45W000-02-E3p; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:39:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnfS6-45W000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:39:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnfS0-0001f8-GF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:39:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DFA96DFDE7; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22566-08; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9462A6DFDAD; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2007 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 982D56DFDE7 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22379-08 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1ADB6DFD7D for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1HnfR21iOF-00046w; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:38:16 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:39:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <385cf0e24e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <385cf0e24e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/SfFWmmD9q0mcr06SOzxqd0WS7NGAl5lVt+kk dWvk5BwNE4+exz6NtIJ7c1DuOaNwnn0bI9uydV+h7MpkTHyaTj a9hmTVjFlBOtAHzr+D/QMDJYUlx0g8L X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 467 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <385cf0e24e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> Chris Hughes wrote: > In message <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> In message <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> >> Phil wrote: >> >>> If I transfer a zip file from RO to the XP machine I get ,a91 added >>> >>> Maybe I should be updating the MAP. A definitive guide anyone?? >> >> The definitive guide is to add the line >> >> LanMan98Map ZIP &A91 >> >> to !LanMan98.Mappings to solve the above problem and double-click on >> Mappings to make it take effect immediately. Proceed in a similar way >> for any other missing type you might encounter. There is nothing more >> to it. > > Mine had > > LanMan98Map ZIP &DDC Yes, and that entry is correct and should remain. You need to add an additional line as above to add support for the new filetype used for Zip files starting from SparkFS 1.40. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 14 21:15:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HngkV-00iVbs-07-ClQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:15:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HngkV-00iVbs-07-ClQ; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:02:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HngkV-00iVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:02:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HngkU-0006Nu-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:02:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FDCA6DFA89; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00847-03; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7A786DFAC9; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBEA26DFA89 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00534-09 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15FBE6DFAA1 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.213) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 46416FD9000C36DF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:35 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:15 +0200 Message-ID: <526e04e34e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <4ee139e7f0john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee139e7f0john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 469 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee139e7f0john@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > On 11 May, john@jaharrison.me.uk wrote: >> Maybe I'm being thick, but rtfm doesn't help. > > And while I am at it, there must be a way to make the index entry points > visible, because they are visible in the example, but I can't find a way to > turn them on and off. Not quite sure what you mean here. A. David Breakwell's manual: the colours you see on page 14 of his manual refer to an older version of IdxPro and are not used anymore. B. The User's Guide: indeed, I have colour-coded the index entries. This was done by applying a style to the selected words. In the style list named BkMark1. But this style, applied before starting to use IdxPro, has nothing to do with IdxPro. See what is mentioned on page 6 of the Guide: "Colour-marking text for index input". C. The caret should appear at the entry point. If difficult to see try the following: 1. click on the OP document so it has input focus; 2. use a small size (vertically) window so you only see a few lines at a time. Makes it easier to find the caret. I too would like to be able to have a more visible option of showing the entry points. Hope this helps. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 14 21:15:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HngkW-00pVbs-05-ClP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:15:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HngkW-00pVbs-05-ClP; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:02:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HngkW-00pVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:02:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HngkS-00030u-J0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:02:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57C266DFA04; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00809-09; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA4136DFAB5; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 565776DFA04 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00534-06 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AC056DFA6F for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.213) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 46416FD9000C36DE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:01:34 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:44:16 +0200 Message-ID: <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 468 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > Maybe I'm being thick, but rtfm doesn't help. .... I agree, presuming you mean the manual that goes with the applet. You might also like to read the guide I wrote. To be found at http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html > I'm adding index entries to a book - more than can be done in a single > session - so when I resume, I want to go to the last entry to pick up > where I left off.. I can't find a way to do this, other than keep > clicking the up arrow in the review button, while O-Pro renders every > page that has an entry. Is there a better way? Yes. Just select any odd word and add it to the index. It will be added as last entry. Delete it and you are now back at your prior last entry. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 15 11:47:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnhpK-32eVbs-06-Bgb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:47:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnhpK-32eVbs-06-Bgb; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:11:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnhpK-32eVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:11:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnhpK-0007D0-76 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:11:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E30BF6DFD98; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09439-06; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 958EF6DFD21; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2007 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D222C6DFD5C for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09281-07 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5707E6DFD58 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070514211043.NWYQ12560.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:10:43 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070514211043.YVHZ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:10:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:41:13 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Sun 13 May, Alan Adams wrote: > In message <4d8566e24e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> > Martin Devon wrote: > > > In message > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> I think a lot of people have trouble with this area, > >> pity that there's no fix. In other words next week this topic will start > >> again somewhere > >> > > At the risk of stirring up more mud, there is an interesting > > difference in the mapping schemes between LanMan98 or Sunfish on one > > hand and HostFS in VirtualAcorn on the other. > > > > (Assuming type a91 is mapped as .zip) > > > > A zip file called "new" saved under LanMan98 appears on Windows as > > "new,a91" while a file "new/zip" appears as "new.zip" > > > > Under HostFS "new" appears as "new.zip" and "new/zip" turns up as > > "new.zip.zip" > > > > Interestingly HostFS cannot copy a zip file"new" as "new/zip" in the > > same directory. > > > > HostFS is happy to interpret say "new.zip" and "new.jpg" (as seen in > > Windows) as two files both named "new" in the same directory but with > > different icons, while LanMan98 produces new/zip and new/jpg > > respectively. > > > > Martin > > A couple of years ago, while I was setting up file sharing using > VRPC+HostFS, and Lanman98 to the same PC in each case (in other words, > both to the VRPC emulator, via HostFS to the PC disk, and to the > Windows system via LanMan to the same disc), I managed to create two > apparently identical files in the same directory. By identical I mean > that Windows reported the name, size and creation dates as being > identical, yet there were TWO files in the one directory. It even let > me delete ONE of them! Windows was probably hiding file extensions of registered files. Just as on RISC OS, if there are 2 files they have different names, even if Windows is "helpfully" hiding part of the name and making them appear the same. > I mention it now because I think the mechanism involved copying a file > with and without the /extension corresponding to the RISC OS filetype, > e.g. a text file called fred and a text file called fred/txt. (I > renamed it between copying attempts). Instead of replacing the file, > HostFS seemed to have created an identical duplicate. Because .txt files are registered in Windows to Notepad by default fred.txt will often show as fred in the explorer window with a textfile icon and the file fred without extension will have the windows "unknown filetype" icon. > I also spent considerable time ensuring HostFS's and LanMan98 used the > same mappings. Without that step, there was considerable confusion in the > file system. > Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 15 11:47:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnjNX-2jNGPo-06-A8O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:47:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnjNX-2jNGPo-06-A8O; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnjNX-2jNGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnjNW-00069X-Nz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F267B6DF508; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19337-06; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 871CA6DF186; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 May 2007 18:48:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E8736DF508 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19160-09 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2685C6DF0A9 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 18:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.140] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1HnjMo16uw-0004Cw; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:50:10 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <200d14e34e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee03e0b9bphil.c@heter.co.uk> <4642EB5D.5080500@voip.co.uk> <4ee0f7b2b4phil.c@heter.co.uk> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee138775dphilco@heter.co.uk> <82bf3ae14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <385cf0e24e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+m0q3Nb1nOdnNWn5NK1nLSvwTqQ9YwUBBRqj6 WQ4c0ZvFO83N31h3xqY9DSuAiwbDlACH2lhXiWW3Hx3TuTQjea gDcCQ/q/pcb3XAkAUaIMdujvtyL6K9y X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 471 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <385cf0e24e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> > Chris Hughes wrote: >> In message <2ee03de14e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> >> Martin Wuerthner wrote: >>> In message <4ee13c82a5philco@heter.co.uk> >>> Phil wrote: >>> >>>> If I transfer a zip file from RO to the XP machine I get ,a91 added >>>> >>>> Maybe I should be updating the MAP. A definitive guide anyone?? >>> >>> The definitive guide is to add the line >>> >>> LanMan98Map ZIP &A91 >>> >>> to !LanMan98.Mappings to solve the above problem and double-click on >>> Mappings to make it take effect immediately. Proceed in a similar way >>> for any other missing type you might encounter. There is nothing more >>> to it. Famous last words... There is a bit more to it. See below. >> Mine had >> >> LanMan98Map ZIP &DDC > > Yes, and that entry is correct and should remain. You need to add an > additional line as above to add support for the new filetype used for > Zip files starting from SparkFS 1.40. My advice to keep the old mapping line as well does not make any sense because the second mapping actually overrides the first, so you need to decide whether you want to keep the DDC or the A91 mapping for .zip files. In contrast to the MimeMap that allows you to map a single DOS extension to several RISC OS types, LanMan98 has to have a unique type mapping for each extension, otherwise it would not know as which RISC OS type to present a .zip file found at the PC end. Unfortunately, that means that it cannot support both (old) DDC and (new) A91 typed Zip archives when copying from RISC OS to the PC. Files of one of the two types always get ,xxx extensions, so which of the two mappings you choose depends on which Zip file type you use more often. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 15 11:48:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HnsfJ-2UYknw-01-9N8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:48:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HnsfJ-2UYknw-01-9N8; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:45:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HnsfJ-2UYknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:45:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HnsfI-0001Kv-Tr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:45:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3425F6E028A; Tue, 15 May 2007 04:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15500-10; Tue, 15 May 2007 04:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9B666E02A9; Tue, 15 May 2007 04:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 04:43:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F20E56E02A5 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 04:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15369-03 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 04:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74B486E0289 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 04:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-139-226.as15444.net [82.163.139.226]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4F8iv3A005616 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:44:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:46:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro Message-ID: <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > You might also like to read the guide I wrote. To be found at > http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/applets.html Very helpful - thanks. > > ... when I resume, I want to go to the last entry to pick up > > where I left off.. I can't find a way to do this, other than keep > > clicking the up arrow in the review button, while O-Pro renders every > > page that has an entry. Is there a better way? > Yes. Just select any odd word and add it to the index. It will be > added as last entry. Delete it and you are now back at your prior last > entry. Yes. I discovered that trick, but there is a related, and worse problem. Having created an initial index, I and my co-author reviewed it. So I want to go through the entries, changing some, deleting some and adding some. I would like to be able to go directly to whichever entry needs attention - I know its page number. But the only way I can get to it is to use the bump arrows to go all the way from the start. To reduce this chore (I have a few hundred index entries) I try to scan the marked up index so I can make changes in page order. That is a real chore, but breaks down as soon as ... I add an entry. The new entry is at the end of the list, so even if it is on page 27, the the bump arrows now only take me to the previous item added, which might be on page 5 or on page 142. I can't find a way round this, even in your excellent guide (unless I read it too hastily). > > And while I am at it, there must be a way to make the index entry > > points visible, because they are visible in the example, but I can't > > find a way to turn them on and off. > Not quite sure what you mean here. > A. David Breakwell's manual: the colours you see on page 14 of his > manual refer to an older version of IdxPro and are not used anymore. It wasn't the manual, it was the example supplied, where index entries are shown in cyan. > B. The User's Guide: indeed, I have colour-coded the index entries. > This was done by applying a style to the selected words. In the style > list named BkMark1. But this style, applied before starting to use > IdxPro, has nothing to do with IdxPro. See what is mentioned on page 6 > of the Guide: "Colour-marking text for index input". I was looking for the ability to 'show' or 'hide' all index entries, so I could see quickly what is there while reviewing and revising them. I don't think what you describe would do that. > C. The caret should appear at the entry point. It does, but that was not what I was looking for, as above. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 15 11:48:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hnu2W-22CGPo-07-GWR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:48:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hnu2W-22CGPo-07-GWR; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:13:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hnu2W-22CGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:13:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hnu2V-0005ye-NR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:13:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D979F6E0031; Tue, 15 May 2007 06:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25407-09; Tue, 15 May 2007 06:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7119E6DFF34; Tue, 15 May 2007 06:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 06:11:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9933F6E0031 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 06:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25294-01 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 06:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB9DB6DFFD0 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 06:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-190-223.as15444.net [82.163.190.223]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with SMTP id l4FACq4X008607 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:13:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:07:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro Message-ID: <4ee351e12eray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 473 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > I would like to be able to go directly to whichever entry needs > attention - I know its page number. But the only way I can get to > it is to use the bump arrows to go all the way from the start. To > reduce this chore (I have a few hundred index entries) I try to > scan the marked up index so I can make changes in page order. That > is a real chore, but breaks down as soon as ... > I add an entry. The new entry is at the end of the list, so even > if it is on page 27, the the bump arrows now only take me to the > previous item added, which might be on page 5 or on page 142. > I can't find a way round this, even in your excellent guide (unless > I read it too hastily). This has some echoes of the recent thread on 'Searching for Styles' .... -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 15 20:08:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ho2HT-0OSknw-05-Go0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:08:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho2HT-0OSknw-05-Go0; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:01:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho2HT-0OSknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:01:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho2HK-0004xT-Ep for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:01:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED1446E06EE; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03495-10; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84D2D6E071F; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F4616E06EE for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03100-03 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 747CE6E0745 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAANKfSUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQAAIBAQcGCAwf Received: from [88.105.231.19] (port=10262 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho2GP-000N5g-B1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:00:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:00:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 474 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 11 May, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > In article <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > [Snip] > > Generally you want notypes set to no. > > However, if > > 1 you want to use the files from both RISC OS and Windows > > and > > 2 you have given file extensions (e.g. /TXT) to all relevant files > > and > > 3 you haven't got correct definitions for ALL PC filetypes inside > > Lanman98 > > then you might want to turn notypes on. > > The reason is that files without extensions which also don't pick up a > > type from the mappings file will gain a ,nnn tail, which Windows > > doesn't like. > > However with notypes set, you can't handle RISC OS applications > > because the runimage, sprites, run and obey files all end up as text > > filetypes (when seen from RISC OS). > Indeed, you've reminded me why I had it set the way it was. > Aside from you lot... All my customers that have computers systems, are > using MS-Windows, so when I sent them attachments, they would be very > confused by a file called "Refurb.Jpg,c85" or "Modification.Dxf,dea > So I set it with Notypes Y and forgot why. > Now I've remembered... If I continue to remember, I'll change it when I > want to transport RO stuff... Then change it back again afterwards. > Cheers > Dave S Y'know how, when you take someones advice against your own judgement and it turns out to be wrong, how pissed off you feel. Well that's just happened to me, I knew there was a reason why I had Notypes in LM98 set to "Y" and against my better judgement I switched all my LM shares to "N". I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every single ...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" AND it's no good saying it's because the Mappings file doesn't contain an entry for it. Well &fff Text is already there, and I read recently, and have just tested it, you can have only one mapping per type. Pah! GD. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 15 22:08:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ho4AN-1EPVbs-01-Ev6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:08:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho4AN-1EPVbs-01-Ev6; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:02:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho4AN-1EPVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:02:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho4AH-0005Kj-B0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:02:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E93C36E0A7E; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23236-04; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B0BD6E0B34; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 820B66E0A7E for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22869-10 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E49BD6E0A0D for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ho48s-0006n4-AV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:01:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:00:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation stripping blank mail merge fields MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 475 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, Long ago, someone pointed out to me that his mail merge data had a fixed number of fields for addresses. The problem was that not all addresses had data for all the fields and the post code was in a separate field at the end. The result was that he would end up with blank lines between the address and the post code in the final merged document. Ovation Pro has a system of "fields" which can contain script language. Using these it is possible to remove blank fields from mail merge data. All this is described in the Ovation Pro reference manual - see chapter 12. Today someone came to me with a problem, their mail merged document looked a mess. It turned out that the data contained not just blank fields in the address, but in other fields. The script language function that does all the work of stripping blank fields, is: string merge_strip(int n,int max) and it lives in the file Library.!MergeLib Now it turns out that this function finds the n'th non-blank field starting from the first field in the record. Looking at it today that seems rather limited, it makes the big assumption that there is probably just a name before the address. Anyway I defined a new function: -------------------------------------------------8<---------------------- -------------- string merge_strip2(int n,int min,int max) { int i=min; int j=0; while(j for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:18:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho4Mn-1lUVbs-02-Eig; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:15:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho4Mn-1lUVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:15:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho4Mm-00066L-QZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:15:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1C6A6DFC07; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25031-03; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 563AD6E0B73; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7211F6E0B24 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24883-05 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6EBA6E034A for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ho4Lw-00050E-Gu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:14:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:13:24 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 476 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every single >...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" Can anyone suggest a good smart rename utility.... I'm sure they must exist for Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:47:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ho4cH-2NgVbs-08-ETC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:47:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho4cH-2NgVbs-08-ETC; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:31:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho4cH-2NgVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:31:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho4cF-00049s-UO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:31:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CD8E6DFFFF; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27436-09; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25FEA6E00CE; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 339A56DFFFF for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27201-04 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A87FB6E002C for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 17:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.217.60] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1Ho4bX0Ynz-00042K; Tue, 15 May 2007 23:30:47 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <509d90e34e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JCtqCwzXQdbyJ1hzbVu6+FFosvxVGmEvaG72 wMT0UurDr0jP6oiunUE11jNXz3jHoVYam4b1Y2cl5d0L7kxia5 BuPXqC/XbUuk/X0NDUuZXswqrc8w2/2 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 477 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Y'know how, when you take someones advice against your own judgement and > it turns out to be wrong, how pissed off you feel. I think you are a bit too quick. > Well that's just happened to me, I knew there was a reason why I had > Notypes in LM98 set to "Y" and against my better judgement I switched all > my LM shares to "N". > > I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every single > ...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" > > AND it's no good saying it's because the Mappings file doesn't contain an > entry for it. Why? That is precisely the reason for your problem. > Well &fff Text is already there, and I read recently, and have just tested > it, you can have only one mapping per type. Nonsense. Even the default mappings have dozens of types mapped to &fff. Simply map .eml to &fff and everything will work fine. What you cannot do is map a single DOS extension to several RISC OS types, but you can map several DOS extensions to the same RISC OS type without any problems. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:47:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ho5jX-0FOGPo-07-DLw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:47:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho5jX-0FOGPo-07-DLw; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:43:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho5jX-0FOGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:43:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho5jT-00069Q-RW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:43:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8CEF6E0981; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08406-07; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 845936E0953; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD9BF6E0981 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08220-10 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guri.is.scarlet.be (guri.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 812806E096C for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (ip-81-11-186-162.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.186.162]) by guri.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id l4FMfx615635 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:41:59 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:41:42 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <06f596e34e.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 478 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message you wrote: > In message <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every single > >...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" > > Can anyone suggest a good smart rename utility.... I'm sure they must > exist for Windows. The cmd.exe's "for" & "rename" could be used. cfr "for /?" for its posibilities. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ho9VS-3k7000-04-9a1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho9VS-3k7000-04-9a1; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:44:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho9VS-3k7000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:44:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho9VS-0005Sf-9G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:44:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40E906DFC9D; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32376-09; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D53656DFC8C; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 22:42:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14B7D6E0B67 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32259-03 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70F9D6DFC8C for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:42:18 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,538,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="124630607" Received: from ppp12-62.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.12.62]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 May 2007 12:13:55 +0930 Message-ID: <464A6FF7.9050800@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:44:07 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Columns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 479 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain How do I get 15 or more columns in a document? the limit seems to be 10. My wife is modifying/creating a scrabble dictionary for 2 and 3 letter words. And no they are not in any sensible dictionary and spell checking is impossible and most do not have any general/usable meaning anyway:-)) Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ho9Za-3qc000-06-9Vt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ho9Za-3qc000-06-9Vt; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:49:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ho9Za-3qc000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:49:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ho9ZZ-0003r9-Q0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:49:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D88D46E0934; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00462-09; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76ED66E0984; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 15 May 2007 22:46:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 319966E0934 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00393-02 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5C74D6E05D0 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 22:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27643 invoked from network); 16 May 2007 12:48:18 +1000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with SMTP; 16 May 2007 12:48:18 +1000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Columns To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:48:47 +0900 Message-ID: References: <464A6FF7.9050800@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <464A6FF7.9050800@internode.on.net> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 480 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <464A6FF7.9050800@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > How do I get 15 or more columns in a document? the limit seems to > be 10. If you create frames and link them is there a limit? > My wife is modifying/creating a scrabble dictionary for 2 and 3 > letter words. > And no they are not in any sensible dictionary and spell checking > is impossible and most do not have any general/usable meaning > anyway:-)) > Peter -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoDFc-0O4Vbs-05-EMN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoDFc-0O4Vbs-05-EMN; Wed, 16 May 2007 06:44:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoDFc-0O4Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 06:44:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoDFc-0005cE-HR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 06:44:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C0BA6E059B; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17078-06; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EF426E062E; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 199486E059B for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17000-02 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B062A6E0357 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:42:15 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAEpFSkbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACQCAIBAQcGCAcFHw Received: from [88.105.180.229] (port=10079 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HoDEv-0007aR-Br for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:44:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:20:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: <4ee3c0fc99dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <509d90e34e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> <509d90e34e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 481 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <509d90e34e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Nonsense. Even the default mappings have dozens of types mapped to > &fff. Simply map .eml to &fff and everything will work fine. > What you cannot do is map a single DOS extension to several RISC OS > types, but you can map several DOS extensions to the same RISC OS type > without any problems. > Martin Sorry about my fit of pique yesterday... bad day all round and then the file transfer. Grrr! Anyhow back to he plot. Yes Martin you are correct. I've been messing some more with the mappings file and it now *does* work. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoDLK-0ZHVbs-05-EGf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoDLK-0ZHVbs-05-EGf; Wed, 16 May 2007 06:50:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoDLK-0ZHVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 06:50:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoDLK-0005WF-DM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 06:50:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF5326DF56C; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17584-05; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 694E46E038A; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6214E6E01D6 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17454-08 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13E126E015B for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 02:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-38-243.as15444.net [82.163.38.243]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4G6njXk010877 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:49:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:45:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 482 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 15 May 2007 Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > Y'know how, when you take someones advice against your own judgement and > it turns out to be wrong, how pissed off you feel. My advice was to have two otherwise identical shares in LanMan98, one with Notypes on and one with Notypes off. Then you can do whichever you want with no problem. Go thou and do likewise, as a cure for the grumps :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoDeL-1FEVbs-04-Dxe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoDeL-1FEVbs-04-Dxe; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:10:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoDeL-1FEVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:10:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoDeK-0004xL-0j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:10:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 086956E0862; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18921-04; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A088F6E0975; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 03:07:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1876D6E0862 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18780-10 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 909AC6E070C for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,541,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="124766559" Received: from ppp12-62.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.12.62]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 May 2007 16:39:05 +0930 Message-ID: <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:09:16 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Columns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 483 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain The Master Page set-up cannot go above 10 columns in page and it only allows a change to the guttering or column width not both. I have tried creating as a master page the 15 frames, with a right hand border, butted up to each other across the page and linking them. It is a long winded process as it requires copy and pasting left to right and then going right to left to bring each frame to the front to ensure the borders are showing and then going back to the document and no borders. It appears that one cannot but up (columned) frames with a border, master page with borders and the document no borders. It may be that I need to create a space between each frame. The original file has 4 pages of 10 columns and saving the text and pasting into the new document with 15 linked frames (columns) does not create new pages. One has to create sufficient blank pages first before pasting. I thought that making a the master page that any text overflow would automatically create a new frame. I need linked columns that will hold 2 letter words, 3 letter words etc. I have spent some time trying to get it right but it looks like a number of work arounds are needed. Thanks for reading. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoEFo-2xGVbs-07-DMB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoEFo-2xGVbs-07-DMB; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:49:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoEFo-2xGVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:49:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoEFj-0004av-0k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD3186DF94D; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23831-10; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EC8B6DFC7E; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 03:45:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0620B6DF94D for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23609-10 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD80A6DF724 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 03:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=rpc) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HoEE3-0008VQ-5u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:47:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: Ovation software list Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:46:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Columns Message-ID: <4ee3c8cfa9robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net> References: <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 484 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have tried creating as a master page the 15 frames, with a > right hand border, butted up to each other across the page and > linking them. It's a fairly quick operation, and seems to work quite well, to compromise between the two processes and create three linked frames with 5 columns each. Three frames makes the maths easy as you simply make them all the same size, leaving whatever gap between them as is necessary to separate each column evenly. If your borders are horizontal as well as vertical, then create solid horizontal lines to coincide with the frame tops/bottoms. > The original file has 4 pages of 10 columns and saving the text and > pasting into the new document with 15 linked frames (columns) does not > create new pages. One has to create sufficient blank pages first before > pasting. I thought that making a the master page that any text > overflow would automatically create a new frame. You have to link the final frame back to the first one (on the master page). You will be told that you're about to create an auto-chain link, but that's ok 'cos that's what you want. That way, at the end of each page OPro will create a new one for you and flow the text into it. regards, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoFE2-24UGPo-03-CNx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoFE2-24UGPo-03-CNx; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:51:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoFE2-24UGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:51:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoFE1-0004Mq-4Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:51:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B48A06DFB46; Wed, 16 May 2007 04:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32102-08; Wed, 16 May 2007 04:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5994E6DFDCF; Wed, 16 May 2007 04:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A38846DFB46 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31837-06 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail1.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CE276DF724 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 04:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (dave.davespace.co.uk [83.67.125.28]) by outmail1.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698D350416 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 09:50:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <464AC5D2.7040901@davespace.co.uk> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:50:26 +0100 From: David Thomas Organization: davespace User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davespace.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes >> I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every single >> ...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" > > Can anyone suggest a good smart rename utility.... I'm sure they must > exist for Windows. Siren: http://www.scarabee-software.net/en/siren.html From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 11:48:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoFUX-0HN000-01-C7S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:48:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoFUX-0HN000-01-C7S; Wed, 16 May 2007 09:08:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoFUX-0HN000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 09:08:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoFUW-0002W0-LW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 09:08:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 489746DFFB1; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01286-09; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFA486E061E; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 05:05:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F07366DFFB1 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01183-02 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.iss.soton.ac.uk (mta1.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.83]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4066DFE0D for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 05:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.78.163.173] (biota.biochem.soton.ac.uk [152.78.163.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta1.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l4G96ov4014211 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 10:06:55 +0100 Message-ID: <464AC9B0.5020403@soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:06:56 +0100 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.599, required 8, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 486 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes >> I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every single >> ...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" > > Can anyone suggest a good smart rename utility.... I'm sure they must > exist for Windows. Rename's pretty good and quite RISC OS-esque in that there's no installation required, just drop the .exe where you want it. http://www.1-4a.com/rename/download.htm Matt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 12:27:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoHef-0gSVbs-08-9xK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:27:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoHef-0gSVbs-08-9xK; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:26:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoHef-0gSVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:26:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoHee-0005fy-JX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:26:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 591266E03CC; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15202-06; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E767D6E03CF; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 07:24:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46A7E6E03CC for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15127-01 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F9806E015E for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HoHdu-000Oqd-Ks for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 11:26:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: Ovation software list Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:15:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Columns Message-ID: <4ee3dbf172peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net> References: <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <464AAE1C.4000802@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > The Master Page set-up cannot go above 10 columns in page and > it only allows a change to the guttering or column width not > both. One is dependent on the other, i.e. page width = (column width * no. of columns) + (guttering + (no. of columns - 1). So, having set the width of a given frame and the number of columns within it, you can then choose either the width of the columns or of the guttering between them, but not both. But if you want (say) 20 frames to a page just create two equal-width frames and link them, and make each one ten columns (and make sure that the space between the frames is the same as the guttering between the columns). For 15 columns perhaps three frames each of five columns to make the maths simpler! > I have tried creating as a master page the 15 frames, with a > right hand border, butted up to each other across the page and > linking them. It is a long winded process as it requires copy > and pasting left to right . . . . . . or Object > Duplicate to make things easier and more precise . . . > . .. and then going right to left to bring each frame to the > front to ensure the borders are showing and then going back to > the document and no borders. It appears that one cannot but up > (columned) frames with a border, master page with borders and > the document no borders. It may be that I need to create a > space between each frame. Yes, the border is outside the frame, so to have to frames with their borders abutting the space between them must be twice the border width. Again, easy to control precisely if you use Object > Duplicate > The original file has 4 pages of 10 columns and saving the > text and pasting into the new document with 15 linked frames > (columns) does not create new pages. One has to create > sufficient blank pages first before pasting. I thought that > making a the master page that any text overflow would > automatically create a new frame. It sounds as if you haven't created an autolink chain: as well as linking the first to the second, second to third, etc., you also ned to link the last back to the first. This is shown as a green arrow, whereas the earlier links are black arrows. If you create a 'Default master frame' when creating a document this master frame is automatically linked to itself in this way: one green arrow linking the frame back onto itself. > I have spent some time trying to get it right but it looks > like a number of work arounds are needed. No, this is all standard stuff, although I hadn't realised there was a limit of ten columns per frame before -- I more often use individual frames. You learn something new every day . . . Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 21:02:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoIu9-104GPo-04-8hq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoIu9-104GPo-04-8hq; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:46:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoIu9-104GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:46:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoIu8-0000Qz-Gc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:46:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 425716E0A41; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19196-01; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA8796E0A2D; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 08:05:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25C6A6E0878 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18988-08 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE1466E0782 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 08:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.243) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 46493C7A0003A29C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 14:07:08 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:39:58 +0200 Message-ID: <064e91e34e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 488 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: [snip] > > Yes. I discovered that trick, but there is a related, and worse problem. > Having created an initial index, I and my co-author reviewed it. So I want > to go through the entries, changing some, deleting some and adding some. > > I would like to be able to go directly to whichever entry needs attention - > I know its page number. But the only way I can get to it is to use the > bump arrows to go all the way from the start. To reduce this chore (I have > a few hundred index entries) I try to scan the marked up index so I can > make changes in page order. That is a real chore, but breaks down as soon > as ... > > I add an entry. ........ Indeed. And I know having one index with over 1600 entries. I resorted to the following method: Copy the index chapter to a new document (and do *not* at any time click on this document when you are working with the main document) and have it next to the main document where you are editing the index. Of course a 20" to 22" screen does help... (A safer way is to copy the index into Fireworkz or Pipedream but then you lose some layout info.) > The new entry is at the end of the list, so even if it is > on page 27, the the bump arrows now only take me to the previous item > added, which might be on page 5 or on page 142. As I know from my first experiences. That is why I now start with colour coding. If you have no colourcoding you can still add it. Create a style with a certain colour to be applied to a word only. I use F2 as shortcut. Now: click the IdxPro bumper key, click F2, click bumper key, click F2, etc. Takes time, but does help. > > I can't find a way round this, ..... Nor do I. > It wasn't the manual, it was the example supplied, where index entries are > shown in cyan. ??? Can you mail me that example directly. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 16 21:02:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoMhF-0yLGPo-06-DRG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoMhF-0yLGPo-06-DRG; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:49:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoMhF-0yLGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:49:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoMhC-00051y-Eg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:49:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 659656E0A4C; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32388-05; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F33686E0C3A; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A903B6E0A4C for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32262-02 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56F616E066F for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 12:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-46-195.as15444.net [82.163.46.195]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4GGmqnK028589 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 17:48:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:44:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro Message-ID: <4ee3fa117cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <064e91e34e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> <064e91e34e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <064e91e34e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > I know having one index with over 1600 entries. I resorted > to the following method: > Copy the index chapter to a new document (and do *not* at any time > click on this document when you are working with the main document) I discovered that trying to use a second document whole indexing (in my case your guide notes), or opening a new view, caused OPro to crash. > and have it next to the main document where you are editing the index. I used a printout, and marked it to try to keep track. In fact, I found that quite apart from the hassle of moving to the right marker, every edit was taking a minute from button click to being available to move on. (I don't know how typical this is. The file is 25M, with about 350 index entries and I am using Iyonix.) So I gave up and manually edited the initial index the initial index that IDXPro had produced. It was a lot quicker, and since the page structure of the book is very stable, I am unlikely to need to regenerate the index to update page numbers. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 17 13:30:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoSRa-0JqGPo-02-GDR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:30:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoSRa-0JqGPo-02-GDR; Wed, 16 May 2007 22:58:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoSRa-0JqGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 22:58:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoSRa-0005nP-9y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 May 2007 22:58:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C7376E198F; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16585-07; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46F536E19DE; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 May 2007 18:55:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AF5D6E19A7 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16346-06 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F15426E1957 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 18:55:32 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,544,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="129615370" Received: from ppp174-150.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.174.150]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 17 May 2007 08:27:17 +0930 Message-ID: <464B8C59.7010202@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:57:29 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Columns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 490 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Thanks very much for the feed back. Have another question though!! How does one get in a column the words centred and justified so that each word is the same length. For example HIT HMM To look like:- H I T HMM The document that I am working from manages it yet it does not look as bad/exaggerated as the above. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 17 13:30:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HoZsO-1jKVbs-01-8md.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:30:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HoZsO-1jKVbs-01-8md; Thu, 17 May 2007 06:54:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HoZsO-1jKVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 May 2007 06:54:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HoZsN-00028s-RQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 May 2007 06:54:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 577196E1CF9; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27925-06; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B2106E1D68; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 May 2007 02:51:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72AB36E1CF9 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27867-01 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 324F66E14E8 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 02:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=rpc) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HoZrg-00037t-O8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:53:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: Ovation software list Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:50:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Columns Message-ID: <4ee44791a2robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: <464B8C59.7010202@internode.on.net> References: <464B8C59.7010202@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 491 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <464B8C59.7010202@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > How does one get in a column the words centred and justified so > that each word is the same length. > For example > HIT > HMM > To look like:- > H I T > HMM > The document that I am working from manages it yet it does not > look as bad/exaggerated as the above. Not really sure what you mean, but the only way I know of to guarantee that each word takes up the same space is to use a monospaced font (eg Courier). If you want each word to be fully justified across the column, with space inserted between each letter to accomplish this (i.e. so that the first letter of each of the words is to the left of the column, and the final letter of each lines up at the right hand end of the column), then one way of doing it is as follows: Create a style with the following attributes set: Open the Format dialogue in the "Edit Style" dialogue, and choose Alignment: Justify (then click on the little box alongside until a tick appears) In the same Format dialogue, click on Enhanced Justification until a tick appears, and then click on the menu popup to the right of it to show the Enhanced Justification dialogue. Click on "Single words" so that a tick appears, then change the 0mm setting in the Flush Zone box to something a bit larger than the width of your columns. Press Return after doing this. Make sure that you successively click on "OK" in each of the three dialogue boxes that are now open on your desktop in reverse order to that in which they appeared - "Enhanced Justification", then "Modify Format" and then "Edit Style". If you do not do this, the changes you have made to the style definition will not be saved. Apply the new style to your text. You may have to fiddle with the "Flush Zone" setting if it is not high enough. regards, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 17 15:50:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HohF4-1YRVbs-02-9wT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:50:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HohF4-1YRVbs-02-9wT; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:46:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HohF4-1YRVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:46:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HohF0-0001NT-1F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:46:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B501E6E26FA; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30065-02; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80DEE6E2629; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 May 2007 10:43:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C32546E26FA for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29873-04 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AA8F6E267C for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-81-129-130.ukonline.co.uk ([87.81.129.130] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1HohDn-0003Gk-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:44:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:44:48 +0100 From: Dave Morrell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 492 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dmorrell@ukonline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > > I've just transferred a load of .eml files to the Laptop and every > > single ...king one now has "Name.eml,fff" > > Can anyone suggest a good smart rename utility.... I'm sure they must > exist for Windows. > > THE Rename http://www.herve-thouzard.com/verren.phtml?version=214 Dave -- Dave Morrell Middlesbrough From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 17 16:10:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HohTq-2mcVbs-02-9hh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:10:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HohTq-2mcVbs-02-9hh; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:01:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HohTq-2mcVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:01:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HohTk-0003Sq-7o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:01:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B9106E2B36; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32367-10; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB3F36E2B35; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E87A86E2AE9 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32240-10 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF2786E2AEA for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HohQv-000BvX-4B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:58:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:56:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? References: <4ee0eb289edfs@ukgateway.net> <8bdbede04e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4ee0f8aa76dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee0fb9e8edfs@ukgateway.net> <7184fce04e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <3852ffe04e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ee1334571dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ee382bfc8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 493 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Dave Morrell writes >THE Rename >http://www.herve-thouzard.com/verren.phtml?version=214 Thanks for all those rename suggestions, I hope they will sort out Dave Symes woes. Interesting that so many people know of such utilities... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 20 20:59:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HprR9-4Xaknw-05-ET2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 20:59:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HprR9-4Xaknw-05-ET2; Sun, 20 May 2007 19:51:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HprR9-4Xaknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 20 May 2007 19:51:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HprR8-0006z8-Hm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 20 May 2007 19:51:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8EBB6E42B3 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09209-04 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BC3B6E4355 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 20 May 2007 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B76C76E42B3 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09082-09 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7998A6E42AD for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.51.130.190] (port=56314 helo=smtp1.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HprQS-0006qh-8X for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:50:44 +0200 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.157.167]:1054 helo=arnold) by smtp1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HprQO-0006ue-Mu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:50:40 +0200 Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 21:51:07 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: duotone pictures in pdf Message-ID: <948125e64e.arnold@arnold.> References: <4edc1b0ac4frank@aaug.net> <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In mailtje schreef je: > In message , Arnold van der Heijden > writes > >In mailtje <4641AEB9.3080606@kaijaks.co.uk> schreef je: > > >Well, uhh, no. For example: a duotone, starting with 100% black and > >50% magenta in Ovation ends up with 80% black, 60% magenta, 40% > >yellow and some cyan in pdf. We got the prints back from the printcompany > >today and it look's ... nice (printing black as black and magenta as a > >spotcolour), but it's so much different from the result in former days: > >printing seperated postcript files. > > Two things. > > (1) Have you got Direct PostScript set in OPW Print choices (Sorry for my late reply) Yes. > I think there may be another point. How is the PDF generated? Some PDF > printer drivers work using PostScript (Adobe for example) and can be > expected to use the CMYK colour model. Others are based around Windows > meta files (as are most printer drivers), if you use one of those then > the print file will be turned into RGB. The PDF is generated with the Adobe PDF-printerdriver (to file). Thanks, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:25:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqLbO-4Rhknw-04-9sL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:25:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqLbO-4Rhknw-04-9sL; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:04:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqLbO-4Rhknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:04:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqLbO-0004Y2-1Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:04:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4F646E62AE for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25349-04 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89DAA6E62D4 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 00:01:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D53776E62AE for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25243-05 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3371F6E628E for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:01:29 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,563,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="132351211" Received: from ppp28-96.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.28.96]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 22 May 2007 13:33:16 +0930 Message-ID: <46526B96.1030606@internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:03:34 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] error message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 495 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain After creating a document and saving when reloading it it reports that 'Locked object not found' I have no idea what this means and how to recover my document except rebuilding again. Any clues please? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:25:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqLo3-4ahknw-03-9fg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:25:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqLo3-4ahknw-03-9fg; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:17:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqLo3-4ahknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:17:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqLo0-0001lN-VG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:17:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EACF46E4892 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26424-09 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAED66E48E3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 00:14:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EACB76E6329 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26328-02 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B4D46E62E4 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,564,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="132357549" Received: from ppp28-96.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.28.96]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 22 May 2007 13:46:19 +0930 Message-ID: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:16:37 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] a few questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 496 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I have a few questions that someone can hopefully help me with. Using the Windows version of Ovation 2.92. 1. When trying to select an area of text I keep on getting the key symbol up which makes it difficult to select text what is its purpose. 2. I have a document that has a number of linked text frames that fill up the page what is the trick to get it to flow onto another/new page? 3. I seem to always get the Ovation page off the bottom of the screen and so cannot get the movement arrows back to resize as hidden behind the icon bar is there a method to stop the page disappearing at the bottom. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:25:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqNSN-3q2Vbs-04-GXs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:25:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqNSN-3q2Vbs-04-GXs; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:02:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqNSN-3q2Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:02:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqNSN-0004zS-5A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:02:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9E1A6E5CF0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02953-07 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD8E46E5CB7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 02:00:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A4F36E5CF0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02881-01 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F44B6E5C80 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 02:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HqNRh-0003CD-1x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:02:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: a few questions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:01:26 +0100 Message-ID: <5c3bd6e64e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 497 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a few questions that someone can hopefully help me with. > Using the Windows version of Ovation 2.92. > 1. When trying to select an area of text I keep on getting the > key symbol up which makes it difficult to select text what is its > purpose. The key symbol is shown when trying to move/drag a locked object. Perhaps double-clicking the first word and right-clicking the end of the last word of the desired selection would be easier in this situation. > 2. I have a document that has a number of linked text frames that > fill up the page what is the trick to get it to flow onto > another/new page? On the 'Master page', after you have selected the 'Link Text Frames' icon in the toolbar to the left of the main OvPro window (Chain Icon), just drag the last frame on the page back into the first frame of the page. > 3. I seem to always get the Ovation page off the bottom of the > screen and so cannot get the movement arrows back to resize as > hidden behind the icon bar is there a method to stop the page > disappearing at the bottom. If the window is minimised, can't you just drag the window title bar to move the whole window up? Or am I misunderstanding your problem? If the top of the window is already at the top of the screen, just drag the top window border down first. -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:25:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqP9k-0ev000-01-EqV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:25:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqP9k-0ev000-01-EqV; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:51:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqP9k-0ev000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:51:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqP9e-0006gV-E7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 07:51:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A7E26E5F95 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15582-05 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2DAD6E6027 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 03:48:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6186E5F95 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15463-03 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC3456E5F76 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:48:48 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,564,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="132463522" Received: from ppp28-96.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.28.96]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 22 May 2007 17:20:28 +0930 Message-ID: <4652A0D6.2000500@internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:50:46 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Re: a few questions References: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> <5c3bd6e64e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5c3bd6e64e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett > wrote: > >> I have a few questions that someone can hopefully help me >> with. Using the Windows version of Ovation 2.92. 1. When >> trying to select an area of text I keep on getting the key >> symbol up which makes it difficult to select text what is >> its purpose. > > The key symbol is shown when trying to move/drag a locked > object. Perhaps double-clicking the first word and > right-clicking the end of the last word of the desired > selection would be easier in this situation. > I am using the default settings for Windows and not selected anything to be locked. So how do I ensure that the lock function only works when I want it too? It is annoying when ever a selection is made that the key icon appears. >> 2. I have a document that has a number of linked text frames >> that fill up the page what is the trick to get it to flow >> onto another/new page? > > On the 'Master page', after you have selected the 'Link Text > Frames' icon in the toolbar to the left of the main OvPro > window (Chain Icon), just drag the last frame on the page back > into the first frame of the page. I had linked frames and a green line/link appears automatically. Going back to the main document when the text overflows just shows an arrow and does not create a new page. If I insert an extra page in the main document and then cause text to overflow it works OK. [snipped] Thanks Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:25:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqPf1-35c000-05-ELE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:25:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqPf1-35c000-05-ELE; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:24:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqPf1-35c000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:24:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqPel-0004lv-41 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:24:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3CDD6E5662 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18748-04 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9141D6E6274 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E34686E5662 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18620-03 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AE856E4F27 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=rpc) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HqPdl-0004su-MN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:22:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: Ovation software list Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:21:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: a few questions Message-ID: <4ee6e3108drobin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: <4652A0D6.2000500@internode.on.net> References: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> <5c3bd6e64e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4652A0D6.2000500@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4652A0D6.2000500@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > >> 2. I have a document that has a number of linked text frames > >> that fill up the page what is the trick to get it to flow > >> onto another/new page? > > > > On the 'Master page', after you have selected the 'Link Text > > Frames' icon in the toolbar to the left of the main OvPro > > window (Chain Icon), just drag the last frame on the page back > > into the first frame of the page. > I had linked frames and a green line/link appears automatically. > Going back to the main document when the text overflows just > shows an arrow and does not create a new page. > If I insert an extra page in the main document and then cause > text to overflow it works OK. It is not sufficient simply to link all the frames together from first to last. As Peter says in his advice, you also have to then link the final frame back to the first one. If you only have one frame on the page, then drag from anywhere within that one frame to anywhere else in the same frame. When you do, OPro will tell you that it is about to create an auto-link and allow you to choose whether to do so or not. If you do so choose, then you will find that text will automatically flow from page to page, without the need to create new pages manually. hope that helps, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:26:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqQnI-1WzVbs-04-DCx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqQnI-1WzVbs-04-DCx; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:36:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqQnI-1WzVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:36:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqQnH-00076t-DH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:36:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C6776E58BF for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26518-02 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5979F6E53D7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FB876E5DF3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26375-08 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.iss.soton.ac.uk (mta2.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.129.84]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C26CE6E5DD5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 05:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.78.163.173] (biota.biochem.soton.ac.uk [152.78.163.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta2.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l4M9ZFg6021109 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:35:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4652B957.2050102@soton.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:35:19 +0100 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: a few questions References: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> <5c3bd6e64e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4652A0D6.2000500@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4652A0D6.2000500@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.599, required 8, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Peter Prewett wrote: > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> The key symbol is shown when trying to move/drag a locked >> object. Perhaps double-clicking the first word and >> right-clicking the end of the last word of the desired >> selection would be easier in this situation. >> > > I am using the default settings for Windows and not selected > anything to be locked. > So how do I ensure that the lock function only works when I want > it too? > It is annoying when ever a selection is made that the key icon > appears. I suspect you may be holding too long before dragging the mouse and OPro thinks you're trying to move the Master frame (which will be locked by default), rather than highlight text. If you click-wait-drag this will happen, if you click-drag it shouldn't. Matt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:45:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqRpv-3t9knw-08-CAK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:45:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqRpv-3t9knw-08-CAK; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:43:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqRpv-3t9knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:43:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqRjh-0000Ji-P8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:37:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 990A26E5C95 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01639-05 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7894F6E5BAF for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 06:34:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E925F6E5C95 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01453-04 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5BE26E5A4E for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqRip-000Hlq-FX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:36:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:34:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: error message References: <46526B96.1030606@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <46526B96.1030606@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 501 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46526B96.1030606@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >After creating a document and saving when reloading it it reports that >'Locked object not found' >I have no idea what this means and how to recover my document except >rebuilding again. >Any clues please? It means the document is badly corrupted. The best hope is that you can save the document as DDL and then reload that DDL file. This process of going via DDL cleans up documents. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 11:55:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqRvE-0dEVbs-08-C51.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:55:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqRvE-0dEVbs-08-C51; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:48:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqRvE-0dEVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:48:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqRvD-0003io-L1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:48:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3275A6E5055 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03066-01 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 044476E4C31 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 06:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5211C6E4EE6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02940-10 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E3856E4E96 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 06:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqRuC-000429-LP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:46:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: a few questions References: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46526EA5.5030001@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >1. When trying to select an area of text I keep on getting the key >symbol up which makes it difficult to select text what is its purpose. Going back to OP for RISC OS there was the concept of a short click drag and a long click drag. By the latter I mean . Long click drags are used for moving frames. Some frames are "locked" by their nature - frames in the document based on frames in the master pages. In other words the lock pointer appears for anything that you can't move. Now on Windows long click drags have caused some people problems. Perhaps it is the way people are used to using Windows, perhaps the operating system is less precise about timings for mouse clicks. Eventually I provided a way around this problem. See http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/changes.html where it says: "2.90 9th. February 2006 Ovation Pro Choices now allows the time delay for "long drags" to be set. This will help if you have problems with marking text." This will let you turn off long clicks or make them long enough for you. You can always move frames with a right click drag. >2. I have a document that has a number of linked text frames that fill >up the page what is the trick to get it to flow onto another/new page? If the linked frames are on the master pages then as the others have just said, form them into an autolink chain. You do then need to check that document preferences are set to allow auto page creation. If the frames are local frames then you just have to create more pages by hand, create frames on them by hand (copy paste) and link by hand. >3. I seem to always get the Ovation page off the bottom of the screen >and so cannot get the movement arrows back to resize as hidden behind >the icon bar is there a method to stop the page disappearing at the >bottom. There are some options in OP choices that control how much is allowed off screen. You can usually double click the title bar to minimise the window. I'm not entirely happy with the way the OP main window fills the screen. I think Windows works and looks better with (what are called) MDI windows, this is where document windows all exist inside one big window, something you often seen in editors. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 17:45:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqXTi-0Nt000-01-F33.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:45:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqXTi-0Nt000-01-F33; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:44:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqXTi-0Nt000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:44:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqXTe-0002O0-Gl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:44:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 978D66E6D43 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16819-03-4 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 246406E6D28 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAE3D6E6C58 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16662-01 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 944356E5184 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqXSv-0007Gd-GC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:44:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:32:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 503 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain OvationPro version 277 has suddenly developed strange behaviour. When typing text I cannot obtain the ordinary alphabet e.g. if I type a 't' (without quotes) the character is an 'a' circumflex (again without quotes), etc. Clearly I have done something dastardly, but I have no idea what. I am using an Iyonix, OS version 5.09. The only thing I remember doing recently was to include the new function in the !MergeLib file as per David's message on 15 May. I have reinstated the original file (without the extra function) but it hasn't made any difference - not that I expected it to, but it was worth a try. I am sorry to be so vague, but I'm at a loss to understand why it is happening. For what it's worth, EasiWriter and TextEase do not exhibit the aberrant behaviour with fonts. If anyone has any ideas, I should be very grateful. -- Tricia It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end to end, someone would be stupid enough to try and pass them. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 18:45:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqYIk-3Vd000-07-EE1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:45:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqYIk-3Vd000-07-EE1; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:37:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqYIk-3Vd000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:37:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqYIh-0001oH-Cd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:37:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4FD26E6A29 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23726-02 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8F906E6AB0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB66A6E6A29 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23398-05 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CB996E6A28 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 13:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqYHy-000H0K-HP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:36:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:35:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >OvationPro version 277 has suddenly developed strange behaviour. When >typing text I cannot obtain the ordinary alphabet e.g. if I type a 't' >(without quotes) the character is an 'a' circumflex (again without quotes), >etc. Clearly I have done something dastardly, but I have no idea what. I've no idea at the moment, I will cogitate. Wild guesses then. Abreviation applet? Some sort of other applet? OP has a clever keyboard module, I suppose getting that tied in a knot might do strange things. If I was there I'd be inclined to type ABCDE then abcde see if there is a pattern. You can get the codes for the foreign characters from the Chars window in OP (F11?). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 22 20:56:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqaMR-1RRVbs-06-CAK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 20:56:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqaMR-1RRVbs-06-CAK; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:49:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqaMR-1RRVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:49:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqaMQ-00049g-HK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:49:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B73406E68AB for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07152-03 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68F1E6E67CA for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F8CD6E616F for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06997-09 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D45E6E5ED2 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.223) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 46493BAF000BA3EC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:48:50 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:48:32 +0200 Message-ID: <99f421e74e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> <064e91e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee3fa117cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee3fa117cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee3fa117cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: [snip] > I discovered that trying to use a second document whole indexing (in my > case your guide notes), or opening a new view, caused OPro to crash. That is correct. You must open the "New View" before opening the IdxPro window. The problem is known. [snip some more] > In fact, I found that quite apart from the hassle of moving to the right > marker, every edit was taking a minute from button click to being available > to move on. (I don't know how typical this is. The file is 25M, with > about 350 index entries and I am using Iyonix.) One of the rare occasions I use a windoze machine. There updating goes very much faster. The time needed also depends on the amount of styles you apply to your entries. > So I gave up and manually edited the initial index that > IDXPro had produced. ......... So did I, but that was before OPwin existed. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one day a new, better, indexing utility appears for OvPro. I believe at least GBP35,= for such an update is more than worthwhile.... -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 11:01:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqcI4-3Viknw-08-AEh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqcI4-3Viknw-08-AEh; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:53:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqcI4-3Viknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:53:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqcI4-0003BY-5D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:53:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BE6A6E54DC for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23295-03-12 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BCA36E57E4 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 17:50:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D645E6E54DC for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23162-07 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A0176E50E2 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl89-213-24-46.as15444.net [89.213.24.46]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4MLq5K2024207 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:52:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:36:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: IdxPro Message-ID: <4ee72bde81john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <99f421e74e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4ee1379d88john@jaharrison.me.uk> <7fe002e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee34a8818john@jaharrison.me.uk> <064e91e34e.janvred@smile.ch> <4ee3fa117cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <99f421e74e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 506 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that one day a new, better, indexing > utility appears for OvPro If it does, it could well model itself on what EasiWriter does, which I find very versatile and easy to use. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 11:01:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqcWL-09KVbs-08-A0Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqcWL-09KVbs-08-A0Q; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:07:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqcWL-09KVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:07:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqcWL-0005aC-CO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:07:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A8166E682D for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25092-03 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 365246E6816 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 May 2007 18:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 007006E6487 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24955-08 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C03A56E646C for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqcVe-0004PX-8H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:07:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:08:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 507 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 22 May, in article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > >OvationPro version 277 has suddenly developed strange behaviour. When > >typing text I cannot obtain the ordinary alphabet e.g. if I type a 't' > >(without quotes) the character is an 'a' circumflex (again without > >quotes), etc. Clearly I have done something dastardly, but I have no > >idea what. > I've no idea at the moment, I will cogitate. > Wild guesses then. Abreviation applet? Some sort of other applet? > OP has a clever keyboard module, I suppose getting that tied in a knot > might do strange things. > If I was there I'd be inclined to type > ABCDE > then > abcde > see if there is a pattern. You can get the codes for the foreign > characters from the Chars window in OP (F11?). Thanks, David. I have now done that and using my usual font of Trinity medium, typing ABCDE results in ASCII code characters 176, 177, 198, 180 and 181 abcde in 208, 209, 230, 212 and 213 Does this help at all? -- Tricia Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 23 21:15:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HqsjT-2Jfknw-03-AqK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:15:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HqsjT-2Jfknw-03-AqK; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:26:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HqsjT-2Jfknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:26:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HqoMz-0005rD-F7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 May 2007 10:47:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33C316E74A5 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32467-07 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AC1B6E74D9 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 May 2007 06:13:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B51B46E74A5 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32089-08 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F9126E74A0 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqnsJ-0008HR-9W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 10:15:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:13:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >ABCDE results in ASCII code characters 176, 177, 198, 180 and 181 > >abcde in 208, 209, 230, 212 and 213 There is a pattern there, it is messing up the lower case in the same way as the caps. The old old question - what changed? I'd be inclined to run a new copy of Ovation Pro - e.g. direct from the CD to see if it is a configuration problem. Or shift drag all the applets out of the applets folder. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 13:59:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hr2is-0EF000-06-9NR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:59:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hr2is-0EF000-06-9NR; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:06:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hr2is-0EF000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:06:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hr2ir-0007bN-Ha for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:06:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F366F6E787A for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18676-04 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 923BA6E786B for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B8E06E7821 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18517-07 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB0EF6E781F for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:04:01 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,571,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="128651027" Received: from ppp59-49.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.59.49]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 24 May 2007 11:35:48 +0930 Message-ID: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:06:08 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Find subscript Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 509 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript with normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it tells me it is not found or it just replaces it with itself. Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 13:59:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hr6fi-1lZVbs-02-Dx7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:59:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hr6fi-1lZVbs-02-Dx7; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:19:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hr6fi-1lZVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:19:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hr6fi-0005lB-4O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:19:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12C676E5EDA for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04843-07 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5FC56E621F for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C28BA6E5EDA for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04745-04 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913C96E3675 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 02:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr6f1-0004FN-CP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:18:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:18:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript Message-ID: <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 510 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript with normal > text but I have not found it yet:-(( > I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it tells me it is > not found or it just replaces it with itself. > Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. Peter Erm, I've just selected the sub/sup text, Normalised it which makes it the normal test size, and then select the sub/sup while the text is still selected to change it back to sub/sup without bold. Did I misunderstand that?? Using RiscOS this end. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 13:59:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hr7SI-48aVbs-01-DAX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:59:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hr7SI-48aVbs-01-DAX; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:09:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hr7SI-48aVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:09:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hr7SH-0003Bd-HC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:09:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA27B6E75CB for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08676-04 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B0276E75E7 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB5526E75CB for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08528-10 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E72986E759D for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:07:16 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,572,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="128789700" Received: from ppp59-49.lns2.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.59.49]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 24 May 2007 16:38:57 +0930 Message-ID: <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:09:15 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 511 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Phil wrote: > On 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >> There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript >> with normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( > >> I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it >> tells me it is not found or it just replaces it with itself. >> >> > >> Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. Peter > > Erm, I've just selected the sub/sup text, Normalised it which > makes it the normal test size, and then select the sub/sup > while the text is still selected to change it back to sub/sup > without bold. > > Did I misunderstand that?? > > Using RiscOS this end. > > Phil > Yes I can change the subscript s to another letter but now I want a normal plural s on the end of the word. (Or lots of them). Tried putting the whole word in Find and deleting the word itself leaving the subscript and then replacing with a normal s and nothing happens remains as is. Window OV Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 13:59:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hr7yG-1CEGPo-06-CeZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:59:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hr7yG-1CEGPo-06-CeZ; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:42:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hr7yG-1CEGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:42:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hr7yF-0002rz-M2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:42:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E5D76E7687 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11455-05 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 518526E766C for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1F106E7687 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11274-09 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D4686E6DB4 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr7xZ-00028d-Nt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:42:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:42:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript Message-ID: <4ee7e71cbcphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 512 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > Phil wrote: > > On 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > >> There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript with > >> normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( > > > >> I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it tells me it > >> is not found or it just replaces it with itself. > >> > >> > > > >> Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. Peter > > > > Erm, I've just selected the sub/sup text, Normalised it which makes > > it the normal test size, and then select the sub/sup while the text > > is still selected to change it back to sub/sup without bold. > > > > Did I misunderstand that?? > > > > Using RiscOS this end. > > > > Phil > > > Yes I can change the subscript s to another letter but now I want a > normal plural s on the end of the word. (Or lots of them). > Tried putting the whole word in Find and deleting the word itself > leaving the subscript and then replacing with a normal s and nothing > happens remains as is. If its the same word throughout which is in subscript and it has an s on the end (either end), then I would find and replace the word without an s. Then find and replace by putting the s back in. I even tried 's and that worked. I've just done this and the replaced s on the end of the subscript is in normal size. If I manually type a character at the end of a subscript then the character is also subscript. Perhaps you could attach a sample file of what you have and what you want. Again maybe I'm missing something. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 20:19:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrInb-09f000-01-ALk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:19:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrInb-09f000-01-ALk; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:16:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrInb-09f000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:16:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrIna-0001Nz-JS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:16:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6611D6E7993 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27508-09 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 399156E7A2C for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0646E7993 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27320-02 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24BE76E7976 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070524191550.SIFG13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:15:50 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070524191550.DXW29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:15:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:57:26 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Imposition signatures? To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 513 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I use the imposit applet to produce booklet pairs most times I use Opro. Now I want to work with 8-page signatures printed 4 pages per side of paper so that when folded along the horizontal then vertical and trimmed the pages are in the correct order and orientation. I have vague recollection of this being discussed some time ago. Is there an applet which will allow this? or would I have to output PoscScript and manipulate the pages on the sheet using Ghostscript? I'll attempt to illustrate the front and back of one sheet, each other sheet successively adds 8 to the page numbers (sheet 2 is pages 9-16 etc). Front of sheet Back of sheet _| | |_ _| | |_ p5 foot p4 foot p3 foot p6 foot p5 head p4 head p3 head p6 head _ | _ _ | _ p8 head p1 head p2 head p7 head p8 foot p1 foot p2 foot p7 foot _ _ _ _ | | | | | | OPro on RISC OS here if that makes any difference. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 24 20:19:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrInd-09s000-01-ALi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:19:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrInd-09s000-01-ALi; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:16:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrInd-09s000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:16:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrInc-0001Pt-Fj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 19:16:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 687E96E7976 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27527-02 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D8996E7A0E for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF8146E7976 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27313-04 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 498246E79C0 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070524191553.SIFT13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:15:53 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070524191553.DYK29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:15:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:40:41 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript To: Ovation software list In-Reply-To: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 514 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Thu 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript with > normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( > > I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it tells me > it is not found or it just replaces it with itself. > > Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. How was the subscript and bold applied - local effects or styles? If with styles the problem is trivial using the SRWE (Replace with Effect) applet - find s in the style which made it subscript and replace with s in the normal style. If local effects were applied it may be easier to save out as DDL and use search and replace on the text of the DDL file. The following ddl fragment shows story_115 with the effects for bold and subscript and story_116 is the same with those instructions removed. On its own this is not valid DDL so you cannot simply save it as a ddl file and load it into OPro to see what happens. With only 2 0r 3 words in a document it is easy enough to look at and see the effect of editting like this. Hope it might be some help. < STORY_115={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01} "part" {bold 1}{super 0}{sub 1} "s" {bold}{sub} " bin" {bold 1}{super 0}{sub 1} "s" {bold}{sub} " supplied" {endoftext} } STORY_116={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01} "part" "s" " bin" "s" " supplied" {endoftext} } <> Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:25:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrMDd-1tCGPo-01-FSE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:25:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrMDd-1tCGPo-01-FSE; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:55:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrMDd-1tCGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:55:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrMDb-000497-NF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 24 May 2007 22:55:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F008D6B9134 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26833-05 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF2C96B8B6B for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 18:53:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F4EF6B9134 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26693-07 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB7F56B8D47 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 18:48:03 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,575,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="129043471" Received: from ppp168-127.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.168.127]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 25 May 2007 08:19:28 +0930 Message-ID: <4656168D.8010508@internode.on.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:49:49 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 515 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Thu 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >> There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript >> with normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( >> >> I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it >> tells me it is not found or it just replaces it with itself. >> >> >> Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. > > How was the subscript and bold applied - local effects or > styles? My wife would have used local effects. Tried using DLL and Notepad but could not get it to work as the subscript s entry has to be deleted and the previous entry has to have the normal s added, to do that was beyond me:-(( The document is 7000 words and will need careful manual changes to be made I was hoping that a simple find and replace would work:-(( Perhaps if I took it back to Risc OS and used StrongArm it would work. > [snipped] Thanks for thoughts. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:25:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrNWB-3EU000-08-E9g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:25:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrNWB-3EU000-08-E9g; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:18:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrNWB-3EU000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:18:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrNWB-0007ed-3r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:18:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6342E6E5FEE for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02648-04 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4154B6E6FE7 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 24 May 2007 20:16:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2870B6E5FEE for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02550-04 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A43DE6E6804 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:16:20 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,575,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="133792343" Received: from ppp174-136.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.174.136]) by ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 25 May 2007 09:48:07 +0930 Message-ID: <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:18:27 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 516 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I think I have solved my problem with subscripts by saving all the document as a text file and then reinserting. Lost some of my formatting but easy to recover. Still does not answer the question why one cannot find and replace subscripts though. Tried Risc OS but that did not help (I meant StrongEd not Strongarm). Now to the printers. Thanks for all your suggestions Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:26:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrWU3-1O7000-05-DiK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:26:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrWU3-1O7000-05-DiK; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:53:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrWU3-1O7000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:53:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrWU1-0001Ll-MH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:53:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BCA06E7AA3 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 05:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20278-01-21 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 05:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 577F26E7A66 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 05:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36A056E768B for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20120-01 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD19F6E75C7 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 05:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l4P9qU4r028497 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:52:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] WinOP and multiple monitors MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:53:53 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I've just tried running OvnPro 2.92 for windows on a PC that has two monitors. It appears to be less than optimal :-) Whilst I can move the main window between monitors, the toolbars refuse to leave the "primary" monitor. I have things set up with my secondary monitor to the left of the primary, so could it be related to negative coordinates? Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:26:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrWfB-2pE000-04-DXC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:26:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrWfB-2pE000-04-DXC; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:04:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrWfB-2pE000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:04:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrWf0-0006i1-HE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:04:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27CA46E7ED2 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21657-01 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03CD86E7564 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD21D6E7AA5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21288-04 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AD1D6E7848 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l4PA3dPH003670 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:03:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4656168D.8010508@internode.on.net> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:05:02 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 518 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Thu 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > >> There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript > >> with normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( > >> > >> I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it > >> tells me it is not found or it just replaces it with itself. > >> It would be possible (I think) to extend SRWE to do this. Currently it doesn't search for effects and sub/superscript aren't in the list of effects to add, but it could and they could be. Unfortunately I don't really have time to do it at the moment and I really only have facilities to do it for the PC now. But if someone else wants to jump in, I could probably give some hints about what to do. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:26:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrWfh-2te000-01-DWg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:26:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrWfh-2te000-01-DWg; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:05:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrWfh-2te000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:05:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrWfg-0007Om-OU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:05:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 487876E7E75 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21801-02 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CE5F6E7E0D for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 276D16E7EAE for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21657-03 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D3A96E7564 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070525100427.KNF13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:04:27 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070525100427.XTQC26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:04:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:03:06 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4656168D.8010508@internode.on.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 519 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Thu 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Thu 24 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > >> There must be a trick in replacing subscript/superscript > >> with normal text but I have not found it yet:-(( > >> > >> I have tried everything I can think off to do so all it > >> tells me it is not found or it just replaces it with itself. > >> > >> > >> Need to replace bold subscript s with a normal s. > > > > How was the subscript and bold applied - local effects or > > styles? > My wife would have used local effects. > > Tried using DLL and Notepad but could not get it to work as the > subscript s entry has to be deleted and the previous entry has to > have the normal s added, to do that was beyond me:-(( > Glad you've been able to sort it out a different way. If the formatting you had to replace was fairly simple saving as text and re-importing may well have been the quickest and easiest option. My example didn't delete the subscript s, simply the code in the DDL which switched bold and subscript on and off. That would have been 2 separate operations searching for the formatting code and replacing with nothin , or a single operation searching for the first formatting line, the "s" and the second formatting line and replacing with "s". Where STORY_116 in the example showed: "part" "s" The blank line in the middle is where the formatting commands "{bold 1}{super 0}{sub 1}" have been deleted and there was a blank after the "s" where "{bold}{sub}" had been deleted. When the DDL was imported to Opro it showed corectly as "parts" with no space horizontally or vertically beraking it, all in the same font and size. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:54:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrXKn-2Vqknw-01-Cra.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:54:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrXKn-2Vqknw-01-Cra; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:47:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrXKn-2Vqknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:47:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrXKl-0005e6-Lu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:47:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4249D6B90F5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25953-10 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21E866E6461 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 645FC6B90F5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25640-06 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0977F6B8FFC for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HrXJW-0005fj-C9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:46:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:45:15 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WinOP and multiple monitors References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 521 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes >I've just tried running OvnPro 2.92 for windows on a PC that has two >monitors. >It appears to be less than optimal :-) A couple of months back I set up my machine with two monitors. >I have things set up with my secondary monitor to the left of the primary, >so could >it be related to negative coordinates? So did I. I saw the same effect. I assumed it was just OP limiting the info pal etc. to the (as far as it knows) single screen. There are various OP choices for the info pal and toolbox. For example allowing them off screen. These might help but it depends how you want to work. The current situation is wrong, it needs fixing but I am not in a position to do the work. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 11:54:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrXQG-38xknw-05-Cm7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:54:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrXQG-38xknw-05-Cm7; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:53:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrXQG-38xknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:53:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrXQG-0004uX-0y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:53:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0A666E7E0D for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26910-06 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AE066E7E3E for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 06:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B9476E7E0D for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26825-02 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97BB16E7E3C for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l4PAqbkG025269 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:52:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WinOP and multiple monitors MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:53:56 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 522 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain > >I've just tried running OvnPro 2.92 for windows on a PC that has two > >monitors. > >It appears to be less than optimal :-) > > A couple of months back I set up my machine with two monitors. > > >I have things set up with my secondary monitor to the left of the primary, > >so could > >it be related to negative coordinates? > > So did I. I saw the same effect. I assumed it was just OP limiting the > info pal etc. to the (as far as it knows) single screen. > > There are various OP choices for the info pal and toolbox. For example > allowing them off screen. These might help but it depends how you want > to work. > Setting "Allow off screen" seems to make things work as I expected I'll report back if I find any negative aspects to doing this :-) Thanks Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 12:25:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrXn1-1BgVbs-03-CPM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:25:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrXn1-1BgVbs-03-CPM; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:16:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrXn1-1BgVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:16:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrXn1-00071q-5C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:16:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18C396E7AD6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25469-07 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDA736E7B40 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DADF6E7AD6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25363-01 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9F146E7312 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 06:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HrXFm-0001uY-0J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 10:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:39:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 520 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >I think I have solved my problem with subscripts by saving all the >document as a text file and then reinserting. Peter, I've been bounced (as mail list admin) a couple of your postings with attachments. My feeling is that people don't want postings with attachments - so please could you send them by private email, or better still stick them on a web site somewhere so that anyone who wants to follow the discussion can have a look. I'm sorry that I have nothing to contribute to the discussion. The SRWE applet is a great effort, but is limited by the interface provided by OP. Built in search/replace with style information would be a good improvement. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 12:44:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrY8E-4QkVbs-07-C49.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:44:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrY8E-4QkVbs-07-C49; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:38:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrY8E-4QkVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:38:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrY8D-0005YP-P5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:38:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6CEE6E7181 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30836-04 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B450F6E709B for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 07:36:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 976156E7181 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30719-01 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E0CD6E6ED5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HrY5Y-000Ewy-32 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:36:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:37:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 23 May, in article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > >ABCDE results in ASCII code characters 176, 177, 198, 180 and 181 > > > >abcde in 208, 209, 230, 212 and 213 > There is a pattern there, it is messing up the lower case in the same > way as the caps. > The old old question - what changed? > I'd be inclined to run a new copy of Ovation Pro - e.g. direct from the > CD to see if it is a configuration problem. Or shift drag all the > applets out of the applets folder. Well, I tried OPro from the CD, still the same problem and I downloaded the demo and tried that. No change. I can get the characters I want from the Chars window (F11), but it's a bit tedious... I don't know if it is significant but I tried using Alt and the numeric keypad and that produced unexpected results. I'm baffled. -- Tricia All's fair in love, war and car parking! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 14:15:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrZYC-4Ix000-02-AeB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 14:15:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrZYC-4Ix000-02-AeB; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:09:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrZYC-4Ix000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:09:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrZY7-00030r-Db for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:09:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6122B6E7E77 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08943-04-5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94CD56E7FC7 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28CE66E7E15 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08786-06 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAE8E6E7DB5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HrZXM-000CB9-Gc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 13:08:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:07:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 524 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >Well, I tried OPro from the CD, still the same problem and I downloaded the >demo and tried that. No change. Try, running OP, then F12, and *rmkill universalkey then return, back to OP, and type. Just out of interest. You run OP, type, the letters come out all wrong. So mark the text and export it to Edit (sale selection, drag and drop whatever). Does the text still look wrong in Edit? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 16:55:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hrc0U-0t5knw-02-GiP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:55:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hrc0U-0t5knw-02-GiP; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:47:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hrc0U-0t5knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:47:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hrc0S-0001v5-Ox for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 15:47:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E91656E005D for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31125-09 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6E176DFCE6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A06C46E863B for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30957-06 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 938DE6E8636 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Hrbzb-00031j-FO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:46:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:45:41 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WinOP and multiple monitors Message-ID: <833a97e84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 525 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 25 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message=20 > el>, Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes > >I've just tried running OvnPro 2.92 for windows on a PC that has two > >monitors. It appears to be less than optimal :-) >=20 > A couple of months back I set up my machine with two monitors. >=20 > >I have things set up with my secondary monitor to the left of the > >primary, so could it be related to negative coordinates? >=20 > So did I. I saw the same effect. I assumed it was just OP limiting the=20 > info pal etc. to the (as far as it knows) single screen. >=20 > There are various OP choices for the info pal and toolbox. For example=20 > allowing them off screen. These might help but it depends how you want=20 > to work. >=20 > The current situation is wrong, it needs fixing but I am not in a=20 > position to do the work. Just to prove conclusively that Windows is old hat, two monitors via Geminus works a treat for OPro on my Iyonix. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 17:45:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrclG-01DVbs-01-Fxd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:45:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrclG-01DVbs-01-Fxd; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:35:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrclG-01DVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:35:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrclG-0004vO-5H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:35:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EC5A6E7475 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04920-02 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73C4D6E73CE for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDC006E736A for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04807-07 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61AA06E72AA for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.141] (helo=anti-virus02-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HrckY-0006Z5-Ic for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:34:46 +0100 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HrckT-00046M-Hd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:34:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:33:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: WinOP and multiple monitors Message-ID: <4ee89b99c0john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <833a97e84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <833a97e84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <833a97e84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 25 May, David Pilling wrote: > > In message > > > el>, Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes > > >I've just tried running OvnPro 2.92 for windows on a PC that has > > >two monitors. It appears to be less than optimal :-) > > > > A couple of months back I set up my machine with two monitors. > > > > >I have things set up with my secondary monitor to the left of the > > >primary, so could it be related to negative coordinates? > > > > So did I. I saw the same effect. I assumed it was just OP limiting > > the info pal etc. to the (as far as it knows) single screen. > > > > There are various OP choices for the info pal and toolbox. For > > example allowing them off screen. These might help but it depends > > how you want to work. > > > > The current situation is wrong, it needs fixing but I am not in a > > position to do the work. > > Just to prove conclusively that Windows is old hat, two monitors via > Geminus works a treat for OPro on my Iyonix. :-) Interesting conclusion... Oh, and it works fine here too, and has doen ever since I added Geminus and a second monitor, over a year and a half ago. Panes can indeed be pains(!) and I suspect that coding them for all foreseeable situations is a difficult exercise in pre-cognition (or something!) Even in RISC OS, other apps have occasional issues with panes. For example, there are corcumstances where Pluto's "attachments" pane becomes detached (is that a form of irony?) as its position is not always updated after the main article window is changed. David P says that he is not able to deal with the above problem is what might be called Win-OPro (for short) -- but perhaps we have now reached the point where it might be worth his considering broadening the coder base from a "one-man band", so that some of these awkward matters can be tackled. I don't know how (or if) it would work: I merely suggest that it might /now/ be worth at least having a look at the idea. I should perhaps add that I have no personal interest in Win-OPro, but am simply trying to be helpful. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 25 22:25:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrhH8-3NCVbs-02-BRl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 22:25:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrhH8-3NCVbs-02-BRl; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:24:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrhH8-3NCVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:24:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrhH3-0007g4-QM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:24:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08E646E6F95 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08304-01 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D94E96E6E73 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B3186E6E78 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08161-03 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DCA86E6BCE for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HrhGI-0000Mo-7u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:23:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:23:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 527 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 25 May, in article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > >Well, I tried OPro from the CD, still the same problem and I downloaded the > >demo and tried that. No change. > Try, running OP, then F12, and > *rmkill universalkey > then return, back to OP, and type. > Just out of interest. You run OP, type, the letters come out all wrong. > So mark the text and export it to Edit (sale selection, drag and drop > whatever). Does the text still look wrong in Edit? Unfortunately it does. -- Tricia Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 26 22:05:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HrhNi-3ftVbs-01-BLB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:05:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HrhNi-3ftVbs-01-BLB; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:31:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HrhNi-3ftVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:31:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HrhNg-0000QP-5f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:31:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32CAD6E6CB9 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-07 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F9BD6E6F54 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D28E6E6CB9 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08624-09 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0073D6E6B18 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 17:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HrhMu-00007i-6B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 21:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:30:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >> Just out of interest. You run OP, type, the letters come out all wrong. >> So mark the text and export it to Edit (sale selection, drag and drop >> whatever). Does the text still look wrong in Edit? >Unfortunately it does. So it is not a font problem, it is the keypresses. How about the test rmkilling the universalkey module? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 26 22:06:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hrid7-0Gvknw-02-A5m.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:06:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hrid7-0Gvknw-02-A5m; Fri, 25 May 2007 22:51:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hrid7-0Gvknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 22:51:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hrid7-0003fJ-Am for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 25 May 2007 22:51:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D2706E6EDB for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15162-08 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B5496E7350 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 25 May 2007 18:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 515306E6EDB for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15037-09 for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A83676E68EC for ; Fri, 25 May 2007 18:48:55 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,581,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="129536227" Received: from ppp32-175.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.32.175]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 26 May 2007 08:20:43 +0930 Message-ID: <46576840.5000104@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 08:50:40 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 529 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes >> I think I have solved my problem with subscripts by saving all the >> document as a text file and then reinserting. > > Peter, I've been bounced (as mail list admin) a couple of your postings > with attachments. > > My feeling is that people don't want postings with attachments - so > please could you send them by private email, or better still stick them > on a web site somewhere so that anyone who wants to follow the > discussion can have a look. > > I'm sorry that I have nothing to contribute to the discussion. The SRWE > applet is a great effort, but is limited by the interface provided by > OP. Built in search/replace with style information would be a good > improvement. > > > Sorry about the bouncing I should have thought:-(( I have put it on my web site a quick learning exercise this am as not done before. Hope it works well it did for me!! http://www.users.on.net/~pprewett/example.dpd Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 26 22:08:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hrz1j-3dVVbs-03-AkC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:08:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hrz1j-3dVVbs-03-AkC; Sat, 26 May 2007 16:21:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hrz1j-3dVVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 May 2007 16:21:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hrz1g-0005k4-Gl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 May 2007 16:21:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BD4A6E7473 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31738-09 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CBBF6E7C70 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 May 2007 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFEFE6E7473 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31613-04 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7CEA6E71FB for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hrz0z-00053r-8w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 16:21:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:13:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 25 May, in article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > >> Just out of interest. You run OP, type, the letters come out all wrong. > >> So mark the text and export it to Edit (sale selection, drag and drop > >> whatever). Does the text still look wrong in Edit? > >Unfortunately it does. > So it is not a font problem, it is the keypresses. How about the test > rmkilling the universalkey module? That doesn't make any difference either. One thing I have noticed - it's only the letters which come out wrong, numbers from the top row or the numeric keypad are fine. -- Tricia Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off indefinitely. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 26 22:15:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hs3YH-3OAknw-05-EkA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:15:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hs3YH-3OAknw-05-EkA; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:11:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hs3YH-3OAknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:11:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hs3YH-0003cY-1m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:11:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1CBB6E7FC8 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22973-04 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B36A6E7D5A for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 May 2007 17:09:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C62476E7FAC for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22795-08 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95E776E7F9E for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hs3XY-000Inc-1k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:11:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:09:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find subscript References: <4654F310.8070206@internode.on.net> <4ee7df8273philco@heter.co.uk> <46553A1B.8070800@internode.on.net> <46562B53.9050705@internode.on.net> <46576840.5000104@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <46576840.5000104@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 531 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46576840.5000104@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >I have put it on my web site a quick learning exercise this am as not >done before. Yes worked for me. Why not select the text, then use: Text menu ->Remove->Superscript This is the feature that was added to OP around the start of 2007 (both RISC OS and Windows versions) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 26 22:15:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hs3ZX-392knw-03-Eiu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:15:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hs3ZX-392knw-03-Eiu; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:13:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hs3ZX-392knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:13:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hs3ZX-0006AW-7V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:13:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66F9D6E7F7D for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23235-06 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D9C6E7F93 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 26 May 2007 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 657236E7F70 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23043-10 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D04F6E7D36 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hs3Yr-0004U8-Hq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 21:12:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:11:28 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 532 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >That doesn't make any difference either. One thing I have noticed - it's >only the letters which come out wrong, numbers from the top row or the >numeric keypad are fine. And every program other than OP is OK? Another wild guess is that you've set up a foreign keyboard or locale? I'm struggling here to recall how RISC OS lets you change language - ISTR there is a command/. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 27 12:11:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsG0i-1MFVbs-05-AoF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:11:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsG0i-1MFVbs-05-AoF; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:30:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsG0i-1MFVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:30:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsG0i-0004qO-6k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:30:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 007D36E7EBD for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13942-10 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7E5C6E80B2 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 May 2007 06:27:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C7326E7EBD for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13854-07 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C88F96E79AB for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsG01-000K4h-9p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:29:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:29:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 533 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 26 May, in article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > >That doesn't make any difference either. One thing I have noticed - it's > >only the letters which come out wrong, numbers from the top row or the > >numeric keypad are fine. > And every program other than OP is OK? > Another wild guess is that you've set up a foreign keyboard or locale? > I'm struggling here to recall how RISC OS lets you change language - > ISTR there is a command/. Grovelling apologies - your last para gave me the clue. I suddenly remembered I tinkered with the HID settings a while ago so I set it back to default and bingo! I was so sure I hadn't changed anything... I have resolved from now on to make comprehensive notes of *anything* I change so that I can refer back in case of problems, something I should have been doing anyway. Thank you very much for your kind help and I am sorry to have been such a dipstick :-) -- Tricia I doubt, therefore I might be. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 27 14:10:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsIQR-1K7GPo-04-Gv2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:10:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsIQR-1K7GPo-04-Gv2; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:04:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsIQR-1K7GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:04:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsIQR-0002WN-Ch for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:04:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 483B36E807D for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29161-05 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B6EE6E8693 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 335BC6E807D for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29064-06 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 003E56E801C for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsIPk-000DLm-HO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:04:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:03:00 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >remembered I tinkered with the HID settings a while ago so I set it back to >default and bingo! I was so sure I hadn't changed anything... I'm relieved to hear things are sorted. What are the HID settings? what did you change? (just in case anyone else does it) >resolved from now on to make comprehensive notes of *anything* I change so >that I can refer back in case of problems, something I should have been >doing anyway. I once encountered someone who worked in industrial testing, he produced wonderful notes of everything he did with my software. Personally I lack the time, inclination and skill to do that. Perhaps the OS could keep a record, I suppose that the Windows roll back etc. that came in with XP amounts to the same thing. I once watched people typing at computers, and it was always intriguing when they'd come across some sort of problem, which they'd caused and I'd seen them do it, but they had no recollection themselves. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 27 17:30:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsLXB-3ygknw-01-DoI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:30:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsLXB-3ygknw-01-DoI; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsLXB-3ygknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsLXA-0002pq-G0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADE956E7FF6 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14664-08 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84E3D6E7F99 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 May 2007 12:21:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC526E7FF6 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14545-08 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2D1A6E7C83 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsLWN-000JnY-41 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4ee9a2448btricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 535 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 27 May, in article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > >remembered I tinkered with the HID settings a while ago so I set it back > >to default and bingo! I was so sure I hadn't changed anything... > I'm relieved to hear things are sorted. What are the HID settings? what > did you change? (just in case anyone else does it) I was hoping you wouldn't ask that! I can't remember exactly, but I was trying to get some of the 'media' keys to do something useful, i.e. theoretically I should be able to control the CD player audio mode. Currently I have most of the HID settings on default and am only using it to swap the adjust and select button round on the mouse, being left-handed, and also to get scroll wheel support. > >resolved from now on to make comprehensive notes of *anything* I change > >so that I can refer back in case of problems, something I should have > >been doing anyway. > I once encountered someone who worked in industrial testing, he produced > wonderful notes of everything he did with my software. Personally I lack > the time, inclination and skill to do that. > Perhaps the OS could keep a record, I suppose that the Windows roll back > etc. that came in with XP amounts to the same thing. > I once watched people typing at computers, and it was always intriguing > when they'd come across some sort of problem, which they'd caused and > I'd seen them do it, but they had no recollection themselves. I suspect my good intentions will fall by the wayside - they usually do :-( Thanks again, -- Tricia He who laughs last probably doesn't understand the joke. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 27 21:21:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsPD7-1HT000-04-A8M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:21:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsPD7-1HT000-04-A8M; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:19:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsPD7-1HT000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:19:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsPD7-00064A-17 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:19:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F3F66E784F for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31655-02 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D0476E7970 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 May 2007 16:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3A176E784F for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31520-04 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1AD76E772E for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsPCQ-000KGY-D3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:18:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:17:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee9a2448btricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ee9a2448btricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4ee9a2448btricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >I was hoping you wouldn't ask that! I can't remember exactly, but I was >trying to get some of the 'media' keys to do something useful, i.e. >theoretically I should be able to control the CD player audio mode. >Currently I have most of the HID settings on default and am only using it >to swap the adjust and select button round on the mouse, being left-handed, >and also to get scroll wheel support. Hmm. If it is something that is a legitimate change like enabling extra keys then it may be a problem that needs fixing. On the other hand if it is something like selecting a French keyboard layout, then you get what you ask for. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:07:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsPIL-1TO000-08-A38.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:07:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsPIL-1TO000-08-A38; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:24:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsPIL-1TO000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:24:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsPIL-00024P-0P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:24:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B77AD6E7F34 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31965-01 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 938176E785C for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 May 2007 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBE2A6E7D23 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31857-03 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 949796E7970 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsPHe-000IMq-6f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:24:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:22:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Web site addresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 537 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, For the last couple of months my web site addresses have been in a mess. I hope that things are now sorted out. The domains www.davidpilling.com www.davidpilling.net www.davidpilling.info www.davidpilling.co.uk www.davidpilling.org.uk now all point to the same web site, and should all work, and it should be possible to stick any path to a file after the above names and it work. All these domains now point away from the netlink web space and I will retire this soon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:07:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsPRl-1nn000-02-9ti.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:07:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsPRl-1nn000-02-9ti; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:34:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsPRl-1nn000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:34:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsPRl-0007l7-GI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:34:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E7206E8029; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32522-06; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4A566E7992; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D72356E8029 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32394-02 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D3BF6E7EFF for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-12-130.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.12.130]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550C52B8288 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:33:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:26:27 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 538 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 27 May, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner > writes > > > remembered I tinkered with the HID settings a while ago so I set it > > back to default and bingo! I was so sure I hadn't changed anything... > > I'm relieved to hear things are sorted. What are the HID settings? HID is a third-party add-on for the Iyonix, that provides a lot of configuration for the USB Human Interface Devices (keyboard, mouse, etc). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:08:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsaNT-3gI000-05-G12.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:08:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsaNT-3gI000-05-G12; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:14:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsaNT-3gI000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:14:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsaNS-0003Lw-M8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:14:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B031E6E85CB; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18711-07; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3533B6E85B8; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 04:12:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59A086E803D for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18611-02 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.135]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C13C96E7FF2 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,586,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="95605666" Received: from ppp8-17.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.8.17]) by ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2007 17:44:10 +0930 Message-ID: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 18:14:07 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] extensions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the ,fe4 extension? That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the mouse out!!) Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it that's old age for you:-(( Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:27:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HscL0-4TMVbs-03-E3V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:27:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HscL0-4TMVbs-03-E3V; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:20:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HscL0-4TMVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:20:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HscKz-0001pP-Pw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:20:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54B3E6E793C; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31270-05; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C050B6E7650; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE7C96E793C for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31204-01 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95A106E7607 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HscKI-000Nr1-DP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:19:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:18:16 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions References: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 540 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the ,fe4 >extension? >That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the mouse >out!!) You need to read the recent thread SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? available from: http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/05-2007/ if you don't keep postings. Although this set off about SparkFS it ended up as a good discussion on how to configure LanMan and smart rename tools for Windows. I pointed out at the end of the discussion is was only a matter of time before someone else would revisit the problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:27:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HscQC-0dAGPo-06-DyJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:27:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HscQC-0dAGPo-06-DyJ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:25:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HscQC-0dAGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:25:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HscQB-0007Jw-OR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:25:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56FBB6E7B06; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31719-07; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C529D6E7B43; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64AB56E7B06 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31611-05 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31C4D6E7AF8 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HscPW-00035n-0Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:25:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:24:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Anthony Hilton writes >I use the imposit applet to produce booklet pairs most times I use Opro. i.e. pamphlet printing >Now I want to work with 8-page signatures printed 4 pages per side of paper >so that when folded along the horizontal then vertical and trimmed the pages >are in the correct order and orientation. I have vague recollection of this >being discussed some time ago. presumably the booklet print format is relevant here? The booklet format is actually contained in the imposition applet. ISTR pamphlet is part of the main app. >I'll attempt to illustrate the front and back of one sheet, each other sheet >successively adds 8 to the page numbers (sheet 2 is pages 9-16 etc). The imposition interface to OP will allow a great many things to be done. The main problem is that actually writing scripts to produce any given format is difficult. Even simple formats like pamphlet are difficult to grasp. Booklet printing has many more subtleties. What was really needed was a stand alone editor that produces print format scripts. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:27:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HscRY-0k4GPo-05-Dwx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:27:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HscRY-0k4GPo-05-Dwx; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:27:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HscRY-0k4GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:27:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HscRY-00072v-F0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:27:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 009886E7B92; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31921-03; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 048CC6E85EC; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 06:24:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72BE36E868A for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20356-03 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.95]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B35D46E85B3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 260 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 08:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul_witheridge@82.20.139.147 with login) by smtp006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 08:35:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xe3rwrIVM1m5dNdL2FsgpD.QwJdoP3weL24iART7VBrBzbmCybHLikCXoUfwnmRx1RMP4TuFNTGts.aXV5zXuBCEotVAXwkBUb0QIZKRdGG2kgRr From: Paul Witheridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:35:22 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: <9r4l53pipr45khrv6phg9uh40j000psi04@4ax.com> References: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 4.2/32.1117 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000744-1, 27-05-2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 543 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul@witheridge.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On Mon, 28 May 2007 18:14:07 +1000, you wrote: >When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the=20 >,fe4 extension? > >That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the=20 >mouse out!!) > >Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it=20 >that's old age for you:-(( > >Peter I can recommend Flash Renamer from RL Vision at http://www.rlvision.com/ They offer a trial version which you could use to do some serious batch renaming. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:27:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HscRZ-0k1GPo-02-Dww.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:27:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HscRZ-0k1GPo-02-Dww; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:27:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HscRZ-0k1GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:27:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HscRY-0002vb-OW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:27:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1238B6E7E39; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31942-02; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 048916E85D3; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 06:24:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13D2C6E7D0D for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31762-01 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFA6D6E7B6A for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HscQq-0003I7-0L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:26:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:24:54 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Steve Fryatt writes >HID is a third-party add-on for the Iyonix, that provides a lot of >configuration for the USB Human Interface Devices (keyboard, mouse, etc). Thanks. So is it supposed to allow you to break the keyboard or have I done something wrong? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:37:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HscWZ-1IWGPo-07-Drw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:37:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HscWZ-1IWGPo-07-Drw; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:32:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HscWZ-1IWGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:32:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HscUq-0003uU-El for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:30:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F0506E8592; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32348-09; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8E486E85FC; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 882786E8592 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32256-04 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F4D46E794A for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528102955.VGVW4.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:29:55 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070528102955.IATD26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:29:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:17:17 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: Ovation software list In-Reply-To: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 544 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the > ,fe4 extension? > > That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the > mouse out!!) > > Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it > that's old age for you:-(( Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box - or add the line Notypes: Y to the configuration file for the disc Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 11:57:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hscsb-0Gq000-01-DVu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:57:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hscsb-0Gq000-01-DVu; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:55:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hscsb-0Gq000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:55:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hscsb-0000Gy-7z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:55:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53A066E7DBA; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02180-03; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C217D6E7B71; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 06:52:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD8EE6E7DBA for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02058-10 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 893566E7341 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-137-192.as15444.net [82.163.137.192]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4SAsEk7022323 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:51:19 +0100 Message-ID: <78c907ea4e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 28 May 2007 David Pilling wrote: > In message , Steve Fryatt > writes >>HID is a third-party add-on for the Iyonix, that provides a lot of >>configuration for the USB Human Interface Devices (keyboard, mouse, etc). > Thanks. So is it supposed to allow you to break the keyboard or have I > done something wrong? This ignoramus found the help file to HID so opaque that he never used the app. I'm now glad that I didn't! My admiration goes to anyone who can understand this file, but it is obviously easy to get all sorts of wrong effects from using the app. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 12:17:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hsd6F-1bX000-01-DIG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:17:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hsd6F-1bX000-01-DIG; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:09:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hsd6F-1bX000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:09:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hsd6E-0002oQ-DK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:09:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C99826E884B; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03501-04; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EE786E8848; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 07:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141766E87F9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03388-04 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.135]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 758BF6E883A for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:06:43 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,586,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="95662318" Received: from ppp8-17.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([59.167.8.17]) by ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 28 May 2007 20:38:33 +0930 Message-ID: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:08:31 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 546 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the >> ,fe4 extension? >> >> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the >> mouse out!!) >> >> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it >> that's old age for you:-(( > > Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box - or add > the line > Notypes: Y > to the configuration file for the disc > > Anthony > I said it was old age I forgot to say it is from Virtual Acorn. Will explore settings to see if they make sense. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 12:17:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsdB1-29x000-04-DDU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:17:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsdB1-29x000-04-DDU; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:14:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsdB1-29x000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:14:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsdB1-0007Nf-6I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:14:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4C786E87C6; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04232-02-4; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D60906E885F; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 07:11:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9CE26E884A for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04043-06 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 730596E8842 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsdAL-000BWS-4f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:13:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:12:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro (RISCOS) oddity Message-ID: <4eea09afdftricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <78c907ea4e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ee71006a0tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee72ecd41tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8808517tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee8b62896tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee91d9bb7tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <4ee981ee22tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> <78c907ea4e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 28 May, in article <78c907ea4e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 28 May 2007 David Pilling wrote: > > In message , Steve Fryatt > > writes > >>HID is a third-party add-on for the Iyonix, that provides a lot of > >>configuration for the USB Human Interface Devices (keyboard, mouse, > >>etc). > > Thanks. So is it supposed to allow you to break the keyboard or have I > > done something wrong? > This ignoramus found the help file to HID so opaque that he never used > the app. I'm now glad that I didn't! My admiration goes to anyone who > can understand this file, but it is obviously easy to get all sorts of > wrong effects from using the app. Ain't that the truth! That said, it is very useful for some things. I am sure those more knowledgeable than me would get a lot more out of it than I can. -- Tricia By the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 12:37:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsdUu-4AU000-08-Ctb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:37:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsdUu-4AU000-08-Ctb; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsdUu-4AU000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsdUt-0004iG-F4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F4A16E869E; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05738-08; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97D0D6E85BA; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D8076E869E for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05648-03 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D78356E85BA for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn-62-56-58-199.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.58.199] helo=iyo.schild) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH schild) (Exim 4.42) id 1HsdUB-000Ca5-Eo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:34:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:34:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions Message-ID: <4eea0bbec4john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 548 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@schild.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Isn't it just a simple matter of giving your OPro document the DOS file extension .dpd before transferring it. That way the PC leaves it alone. Or have I missed the point? J. In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <465A8F4F.9070002@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes > >When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the ,fe4 > >extension? > >That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the mouse > >out!!) > You need to read the recent thread > SparkFS 1.41 (RISC OS) - Zip size max? > available from: > http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/05-2007/ > if you don't keep postings. Although this set off about SparkFS it ended > up as a good discussion on how to configure LanMan and smart rename > tools for Windows. > I pointed out at the end of the discussion is was only a matter of time > before someone else would revisit the problems. -- ================================================== John Schild, St. Cleer, Liskeard, Cornwall ================================================== From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 12:47:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsdYM-4RB000-04-Cq9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:47:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsdYM-4RB000-04-Cq9; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:38:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsdYM-4RB000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:38:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsdYL-0003kd-4j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:38:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A47CC6E884E; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06124-08; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 286786E8863; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 07:35:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E3B56E884E for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05899-08 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0A306E8815 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528113738.WIEB4.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:37:38 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([82.31.186.136]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528113738.RLBR219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:37:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:30:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 549 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >>> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the >>> ,fe4 extension? >>> >>> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the >>> mouse out!!) >>> >>> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it >>> that's old age for you:-(( >> >> Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box - or add >> the line >> Notypes: Y >> to the configuration file for the disc >> What about when using !Omni!? -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 13:37:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HseMx-4C4knw-05-C1Y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:37:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HseMx-4C4knw-05-C1Y; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HseMx-4C4knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HseMx-0002Rz-2r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:30:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D00486E859C; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10898-07; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 550DA6E85C6; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4950A6E859C for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10795-09 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C75ED6E7A8C for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528122956.HVDP13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:29:56 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070528122956.SBCW17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:29:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:43:51 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 550 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > >> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the > >> ,fe4 extension? > >> > >> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the > >> mouse out!!) > >> > >> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it > >> that's old age for you:-(( > > > > Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box - or > > add the line > > Notypes: Y > > to the configuration file for the disc > > > > Anthony > > > I said it was old age I forgot to say it is from Virtual Acorn. > > Will explore settings to see if they make sense. VA with HostFS? I think there is an equivalent option in the configuration. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 13:37:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HseRB-4Tvknw-07-BxK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:37:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HseRB-4Tvknw-07-BxK; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HseRB-4Tvknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HseRB-0003VA-7Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58F476E85C6; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11257-05; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C70C36E8804; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77CA06E85C6 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11086-09 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 085876E85B3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528123418.XBXT4.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:34:18 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070528123418.RZSR219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:34:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:33:06 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 551 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Mon 28 May, JayCee wrote: > In message <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> > Peter Prewett wrote: > > > Anthony Hilton wrote: > >> In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > >>> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the > >>> ,fe4 extension? > >>> > >>> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the > >>> mouse out!!) > >>> > >>> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it > >>> that's old age for you:-(( > >> > >> Using LanMan98 ou'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box - > >> or add the line > >> Notypes: Y > >> to the configuration file for the disc > >> > > What about when using !Omni!? > The configuration is probably there somewhere, I'd guess wherever the discs are stored but I've never used !Omni so cannot be precise. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 13:37:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HseRF-4UDknw-02-BxG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:37:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HseRF-4UDknw-02-BxG; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HseRF-4UDknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HseRD-0003Xf-Vo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:35:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFB8A6E86B4; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11274-06; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D7B96E869E; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2A306E86B4 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11124-01 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ABF16E862C for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528123421.HWLF13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:34:21 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070528123420.RZSZ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:34:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:31:07 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 552 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Mon 28 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Anthony Hilton > writes > >I use the imposit applet to produce booklet pairs most times I use Opro. > > i.e. pamphlet printing Yes, Pamphlet printing is my usual method. > >Now I want to work with 8-page signatures printed 4 pages per side of > >paper so that when folded along the horizontal then vertical and trimmed > >the pages are in the correct order and orientation. I have vague > >recollection of this being discussed some time ago. > > presumably the booklet print format is relevant here? The booklet format > is actually contained in the imposition applet. ISTR pamphlet is part of > the main app. I had mis-understood the helpfile in the Imposition applet - I d read it as duplicating the functionallity of Pamphlet printing. Thank you for encouraging me to investigate it and see that it does what I want. > >I'll attempt to illustrate the front and back of one sheet, each other > >sheet successively adds 8 to the page numbers (sheet 2 is pages 9-16 etc). > > The imposition interface to OP will allow a great many things to be > done. The main problem is that actually writing scripts to produce any > given format is difficult. > > Even simple formats like pamphlet are difficult to grasp. Booklet > printing has many more subtleties. > > What was really needed was a stand alone editor that produces print > format scripts. Preferably a graphical utility which allows setting the number of pages per section and indicates how many sheets each section will take and the position/orientation of the pages on the sheet. If my son doesn't find anything else to occupy his summer I will ask him if he can look at a command-line utility that takes pages per sheet and pages per section as parameters (his A levels include Computing and he's planning on studying Robotics at uni). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 13:47:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hsec5-0mOVbs-05-BmQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:47:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hsec5-0mOVbs-05-BmQ; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:46:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hsec5-0mOVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:46:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hsec4-0003FM-QT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:46:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3871C6E8738; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12344-02; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B698C6E88B4; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA1516E8738 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12157-05 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75B6A6E86F0 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsebO-0000z8-78 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:45:34 +0000 Message-ID: <+tcjNjEW6sWGFwXe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:44:06 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 553 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Anthony Hilton writes >If my son doesn't find anything else to occupy his summer I will ask him if >he can look at a command-line utility that takes pages per sheet and pages >per section as parameters (his A levels include Computing and he's planning >on studying Robotics at uni). That threat should get him out of the house this summer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 21:18:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsgFn-0iP000-02-A8i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:18:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsgFn-0iP000-02-A8i; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:31:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsgFn-0iP000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:31:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsgFn-0000nk-Ix for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:31:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A87D6E8770; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21694-06; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82A7C6E8792; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 10:28:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5A926E8770 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21616-03 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DD5C6E8738 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helvellyn (85-211-152-239.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.152.239]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5EE54C09 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:30:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:29:55 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 554 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 28 May, Anthony Hilton wrote in message : > In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: > > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > > > > Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box > > > - or add the line > > > Notypes: Y to the configuration file for the disc > > > > I said it was old age I forgot to say it is from Virtual Acorn. > > > > Will explore settings to see if they make sense. > > VA with HostFS? I think there is an equivalent option in the > configuration. First, *don't* use the NoTypes option with LanMan98: set it up properly, so that it doesn't need the bodge. With VA, you need to add an association between O-Pro (I assume) files and a DOS extension in VA's choices. I think there is a HostFS Types tab in the VA options window: you need to associate the OvnPro filetype (b27) with the .dpd extension. For LanMan98, simply associate the type with the extension using *LanMan98Map somewhere in your boot sequence (there should already be a set of mappings there somewhere, anyway). If your system is set up correctly, you don't need to use NoTypes at all. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 21:18:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HshaK-2pCknw-03-8oB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:18:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HshaK-2pCknw-03-8oB; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:56:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HshaK-2pCknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:56:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HshaJ-0003EV-IQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:56:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 001F86E85E3; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30565-01; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 092016E875F; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 975A96E7B7B for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30408-03 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2194E6E77C9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 11:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070528155555.KGOX13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:55:55 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070528155555.UGDB219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:55:55 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:21:13 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <+tcjNjEW6sWGFwXe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 555 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Mon 28 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Anthony Hilton > writes > > >If my son doesn't find anything else to occupy his summer I will ask him > >if he can look at a command-line utility that takes pages per sheet and > >pages per section as parameters (his A levels include Computing and he's > >planning on studying Robotics at uni). > > That threat should get him out of the house this summer. It might well. ;-) Is there any documentation on the imposition interface and the script commands available? Or would we have to start with the scripts in the imposition applet to work out what they're doing and proceed from there? I'm thinking that for a larger document you'd want to specify the number of pages per signature and have the script calculate which pages go where. Possibly have the script anaylse the document and suggest signature size including a different size final signature. Allow creep to cater for the fact that the trimmed pages in the centre of a section are slightly smaller than at the section ends. Probably a prompt of how many blank pages will have to be added to the final signature. Make all gutters definable. What other parameters need to be considered? I'll have a go at the logic of what needs defining, what calculations are required to make the definition work, and start developing a flow chart. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 21:27:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HslmJ-1sMVbs-06-D8i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:27:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HslmJ-1sMVbs-06-D8i; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:25:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HslmJ-1sMVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:25:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HslmI-0001K8-RX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:25:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F23D6E7F08; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22932-07; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FBD36E8690; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 16:22:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E54E6E87F1 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23839-08 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from danny.netweaver.net (danny.netweaver.net [86.53.223.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D42826E7FDE for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23591 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 14:54:11 -0000 Received: from mail.netweaver.net (87.237.61.196) by danny.netweaver.net with SMTP; 28 May 2007 14:54:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24876 invoked by uid 501); 28 May 2007 14:54:08 -0000 Received: from cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust870.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@81.104.47.103) by 0 with SMTP; 28 May 2007 14:54:08 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: John Sandford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:53:20 +0100 Message-ID: <9bf11dea4e.jms@binit.thesandfords.me.uk> References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 556 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@thesandfords.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message JayCee wrote: [snip] > > What about when using !Omni!? > As your using !Omni (LanmanFS) on 5.13 this should be using the mimemap mappings so if your getting documents with an ,ext you need a suitable mapping in the mimemap file. John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 21:27:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hsln0-1wHVbs-01-D81.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:27:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hsln0-1wHVbs-01-D81; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:26:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hsln0-1wHVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:26:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hslmx-0002YZ-6O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:26:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F29CE6E87A5; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23078-05; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CF9E6E87E4; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FFD86E88B9 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24212-02 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CAE96E87A3 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([83.105.41.119]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsgfC-000MCK-EL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:57:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:55:19 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Paul Shayler Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.05-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 557 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: g6tsf@amsat.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >>> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the ,fe4 >>>extension? >>> >>> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the >>>mouse out!!) >>> >>> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it >>>that's old age for you:-(( >> Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box >>- or add >> the line >> Notypes: Y >> to the configuration file for the disc >> Anthony >> >I said it was old age I forgot to say it is from Virtual Acorn. > >Will explore settings to see if they make sense. > >Peter > If you rename or save Ovation Pro files from the RiscOS side with /dpd added; So the file "davidpilling" becomes "davidpilling/dpd" Windows will recognise it as an Ovation Pro file. You should not see any file type code, but the file type will be present still AFAIK. In VA create a new directory called ROPC in a suitable location on your VA harddisk. Put this on the RiscOS desktop. Next in Windows find the ROPC directory and make a shortcut to it on the desk top. This now gives you a way to transfer files between VA and the PC, by putting the files in the ROPC directory. I hope this makes some sort of sense. Paul S. -- Paul Shayler M3TSF/G6TSF Running the Internet accelerator ONSPEED. Details at http://www.onspeed.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 21:37:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hslqn-2DmVbs-01-D4E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:37:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hslqn-2DmVbs-01-D4E; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:29:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hslqn-2DmVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:29:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hslqm-0005pQ-Lw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 20:29:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1763C6E8690; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23451-05; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 830C46E85E5; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4F506E8824 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23397-01 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.128]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D5AD6E8094 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3409.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 911851C00087 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 22:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-5af06148.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk [90.240.97.72]) by mwinf3409.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 5D7921C00084 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 22:29:15 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070528202915382.5D7921C00084@mwinf3409.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:28:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 558 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> Peter Prewett wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >>> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the >>> ,fe4 extension? >>> >>> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the >>> mouse out!!) >>> >>> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it >>> that's old age for you:-(( >> >> Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box - or add >> the line >> Notypes: Y >> to the configuration file for the disc >> >> Anthony >> > I said it was old age I forgot to say it is from Virtual Acorn. > > Will explore settings to see if they make sense. If I remember right, you need to investigate the mappings file. If there is a mapping there for a file type, the ,xxx doesn't get added. I spent quite a lot of time when I first got VRPC merging the mappongs from the mappings file with the ones used by LanMan98, so it behaved the same way with either. > > Peter > -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 28 22:07:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsmNe-4KkVbs-05-CXN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 22:07:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsmNe-4KkVbs-05-CXN; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:03:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsmNe-4KkVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:03:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsmNd-0003Xy-NF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 21:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E6D16E85AF; Mon, 28 May 2007 17:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26642-03; Mon, 28 May 2007 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C0EF6E858F; Mon, 28 May 2007 17:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 17:01:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7E9B6E85FA for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 17:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26492-05 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 17:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A90E6E85E4 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 17:01:20 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,587,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="130594603" Received: from ppp33-180.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.33.180]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 29 May 2007 06:33:10 +0930 Message-ID: <465B438C.6010409@internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 07:03:08 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 559 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Paul Shayler wrote: > In message <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes >> Anthony Hilton wrote: >>> In on Mon 28 May, Peter Prewett wrote: >>>> When transferring Risc OS OP to Windows how do I get rid of the ,fe4 >>>> extension? >>>> >>>> That is without renaming each one (With Vista you will tire the >>>> mouse out!!) >>>> >>>> Has to be a tips and help but not been able to readily find it >>>> that's old age for you:-(( >>> Using LanMan98 you'd tick the No Types box in the login dialogue box >>> - or add >>> the line >>> Notypes: Y >>> to the configuration file for the disc >>> Anthony >>> >> I said it was old age I forgot to say it is from Virtual Acorn. >> >> Will explore settings to see if they make sense. >> >> Peter >> > If you rename or save Ovation Pro files from the RiscOS side with /dpd > added; > > So the file "davidpilling" becomes "/dpd" > > Windows will recognise it as an Ovation Pro file. You should not see any > file type code, but the file type will be present still AFAIK. > > In VA create a new directory called ROPC in a suitable location on your > VA harddisk. Put this on the RiscOS desktop. Next in Windows find the > ROPC directory and make a shortcut to it on the desk top. This now gives > you a way to transfer files between VA and the PC, by putting the files > in the ROPC directory. > > I hope this makes some sort of sense. > > Paul S. Yes I do that and change them to a dos file and in Windows they become davidpilling.dpd,fe4. I made a shortcut of My Files could have given it a better name though. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 11:21:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsoKQ-3MI000-07-Aab.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:21:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsoKQ-3MI000-07-Aab; Mon, 28 May 2007 23:08:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsoKQ-3MI000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 23:08:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsoKP-0006OH-KJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 28 May 2007 23:08:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEFDE6E7B06; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02786-02; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 630C16E79E2; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C58E26E7B06 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02672-04 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DECA6E7A80 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 19:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1HsoJj-0006lB-4B for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:07:59 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Received: from 220.220.123.19 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 23:07:59 +0000 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:07:59 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 560 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 28/5/2007, "Anthony Hilton" wrote: > >Is there any documentation on the imposition interface and the script >commands available? Or would we have to start with the scripts in the >imposition applet to work out what they're doing and proceed from there? > >I'm thinking that for a larger document you'd want to specify the number of >pages per signature and have the script calculate which pages go where. > >Possibly have the script anaylse the document and suggest signature >size including a different size final signature. > >Allow creep to cater for the fact that the trimmed pages in the centre of a >section are slightly smaller than at the section ends. > >Probably a prompt of how many blank pages will have to be added to the final >signature. > >Make all gutters definable. > >What other parameters need to be considered? > >I'll have a go at the logic of what needs defining, what calculations are >required to make the definition work, and start developing a flow chart. > >Anthony > Sounds very nice so far! I hope your lad doesn't have a social life! ;-) Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 11:21:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HsvkZ-3k0knw-06-Bgy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:21:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HsvkZ-3k0knw-06-Bgy; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:04:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HsvkZ-3k0knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:04:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HsvkY-0005fN-OC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E70356E879F; Tue, 29 May 2007 03:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07774-01; Tue, 29 May 2007 03:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6685B6E8601; Tue, 29 May 2007 03:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 May 2007 03:01:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B07FC6E85EC for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 03:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07559-10 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 03:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41ED16E8627 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 03:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070529070328.HJDQ4.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:03:28 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([82.31.186.136]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070529070328.STMP26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:03:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:02:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4db476ea4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> <9bf11dea4e.jms@binit.thesandfords.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <9bf11dea4e.jms@binit.thesandfords.me.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <9bf11dea4e.jms@binit.thesandfords.me.uk> John Sandford wrote: > In message > JayCee wrote: > > > [snip] > >> >> What about when using !Omni!? >> > As your using !Omni (LanmanFS) on 5.13 this should be using the > mimemap mappings so if your getting documents with an ,ext you need a > suitable mapping in the mimemap file. > Is there a definitive mimemap file available anywhere? A sarch reveals I have 4 copies; 1 in !Boot.Resources.internet.files., 1 in !Messenger.Resources. and 2 in !Webster - the ones in !Webster can be dleted as I never use that anymore but can I safely delete either of the others which are different in content. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 11:40:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hsz2e-1kbknw-08-GvP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:40:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hsz2e-1kbknw-08-GvP; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:35:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hsz2e-1kbknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:35:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hsz2c-0007Dn-Nf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:35:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C67A16E8FD0; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29054-07; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 485D16E8FCC; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 May 2007 06:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 129F46E8FD0 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28887-06 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C95B66E8FBA for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hsz1L-000ESd-Bc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:33:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:32:31 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <+tcjNjEW6sWGFwXe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, In message , Anthony Hilton writes >Is there any documentation on the imposition interface and the script >commands available? Yes it is documented in the OP script language manual. Page 76 onwards. > Or would we have to start with the scripts in the >imposition applet to work out what they're doing and proceed from there? Of course looking at what has been done may help. Nick Kaijaks did an enhanced print format - he is one of the few people to get their heads around the complexities. >Allow creep to cater for the fact that the trimmed pages in the centre of a >section are slightly smaller than at the section ends. I think maybe creep is allowed for in one format. >Probably a prompt of how many blank pages will have to be added to the final >signature. and one of the things with booklet is a choice of how to handle the blank pages. >I'll have a go at the logic of what needs defining, what calculations are >required to make the definition work, and start developing a flow chart. IF (asked to write imposition script) THEN PUT (fingers in ears) GOTO (door) RUN (away screaming) ENDIF -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 21:20:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ht08Q-2YmVbs-08-Fpd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:20:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ht08Q-2YmVbs-08-Fpd; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:45:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ht08Q-2YmVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:45:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ht08Q-00023V-79 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:45:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 497D66E9151; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02921-10; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE1FB6E91E9; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 May 2007 07:42:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE11E6E9151 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02812-03 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9622F6E90D9 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 07:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ht07j-000936-CB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 11:44:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:43:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eea907077peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 563 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > IF (asked to write imposition script) THEN > PUT (fingers in ears) > GOTO (door) > RUN (away screaming) > ENDIF I tried to write a more sophisticated booklet mode script a while ago, to handle smaller signatures and creep, and yes, that was exactly what happened immediately afterwards . . . From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 21:20:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ht6aj-13pknw-02-9NK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:20:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ht6aj-13pknw-02-9NK; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:38:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ht6aj-13pknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:38:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ht6ah-0001ua-TE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:38:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D9806E98F8; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19467-05; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9ACA66E98F0; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74ADA6E98D4 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19207-07 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3DF36E98DD for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070529183800.DCTE13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 19:38:00 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070529183800.OBCW29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 19:38:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:26:58 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Tue 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message , Anthony Hilton > writes > >Is there any documentation on the imposition interface and the script > >commands available? > > Yes it is documented in the OP script language manual. Page 76 onwards. Thank you. I've now found that on the CD. > > Or would we have to start with the scripts in the > >imposition applet to work out what they're doing and proceed from there? > > Of course looking at what has been done may help. Nick Kaijaks did an > enhanced print format - he is one of the few people to get their heads > around the complexities. The Imposit applet is Nick Kaijacks' work. He may, of course, have decided that it was sensible to provide what he did and that anything more complex is a pre-press system which already exists on other systems and can process PS or PDF files but isn't appropriate to add on to a single DTP app. > >Allow creep to cater for the fact that the trimmed pages in the centre of > >a section are slightly smaller than at the section ends. > > I think maybe creep is allowed for in one format. > > >Probably a prompt of how many blank pages will have to be added to the > >final signature. > > and one of the things with booklet is a choice of how to handle the > blank pages. What options are you thinking of? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 21:30:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ht8Ex-1FUVbs-08-GFc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:30:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ht8Ex-1FUVbs-08-GFc; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:24:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ht8Ex-1FUVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:24:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ht8Ew-0002wK-O1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:24:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFBAF6E9710; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32595-10; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 443876E9895; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 May 2007 16:21:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 116C56E973A for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10389-07 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from danny.netweaver.net (danny.netweaver.net [86.53.223.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8D0296E96DA for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23992 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 17:12:56 -0000 Received: from mail.netweaver.net (87.237.61.196) by danny.netweaver.net with SMTP; 29 May 2007 17:12:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 306 invoked by uid 501); 29 May 2007 17:12:28 -0000 Received: from cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust870.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@81.104.47.103) by 0 with SMTP; 29 May 2007 17:12:28 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: extensions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: John Sandford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:12:30 +0100 Message-ID: <8c85aeea4e.jms@binit.thesandfords.me.uk> References: <465AB82F.80402@internode.on.net> <9bf11dea4e.jms@binit.thesandfords.me.uk> <4db476ea4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4db476ea4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 565 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@thesandfords.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4db476ea4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> JayCee wrote: [snip] >> > Is there a definitive mimemap file available anywhere? > > A sarch reveals I have 4 copies; 1 in .,!Boot.Resources.internet.files > 1 in !Messenger.Resources. and 2 in !Webster - the ones in !Webster > can be dleted as I never use that anymore but can I safely delete > either of the others which are different in content. > you dont need to delete any the one in !Boot.Resources.internet.files should be the one in use. application/OvPro(tab)OvnPro(Tab)b27(Tab).b27(Tab).dpd is what I have in mine. John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 29 21:50:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ht8XE-245Vbs-01-FxL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:50:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ht8XE-245Vbs-01-FxL; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:43:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ht8XE-245Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:43:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ht8XE-0007aw-6g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:43:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D1866E99A6; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02307-04; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A53D86E99FE; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 29 May 2007 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDA5C6E99A6 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02163-09 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AD4D6E9938 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ht8WX-0001x5-2a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:42:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:40:55 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 566 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Anthony Hilton writes >> and one of the things with booklet is a choice of how to handle the >> blank pages. >What options are you thinking of? With booklet you print 4 pages on each side of each sheet of paper. That's fine if what you're printing has a multiple of 8 pages. Suppose the number of pages divided by eight has a remainder less than or equal to 4. In that case half of the last sheet of paper will be blank and thrown away. So it is possible (and the existing booklet script does this) to offer an option to print the remainder pages twice on the last sheet of paper. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 30 12:09:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HtLyQ-4PGVbs-03-B2f.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 12:09:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HtLyQ-4PGVbs-03-B2f; Wed, 30 May 2007 11:04:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HtLyQ-4PGVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 May 2007 11:04:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HtLyP-0002hf-RG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 May 2007 11:04:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 985DE6E96CA; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21848-03; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BF526E9896; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 May 2007 07:01:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CFD86E96CA for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21757-03 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B2946E9661 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:01:39 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.14,592,1170595800"; d="scan'208";a="131573782" Received: from ppp8-68.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.8.68]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 30 May 2007 20:33:17 +0930 Message-ID: <465D59F6.8020606@internode.on.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:03:18 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] find and replace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I am using OP 2.92 on a Vista computer and have a business card document that is a based on a label master frame. When I try to replace a word in the first card with another and select whole stories and then go it replaces in the first frame and then the program crashes it does this consistently, tried it on my laptop and it does the same. Now I have tried it on a similar business card document and it works OK. Computers!!!! Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 30 21:50:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HtUz0-3WE000-02-AYb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:50:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HtUz0-3WE000-02-AYb; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:41:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HtUz0-3WE000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:41:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HtUyi-0000hj-Lc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 May 2007 20:41:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89C3C6EA466; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05329-03; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F25586EA438; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 May 2007 16:38:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D7BE6E9FF8 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02208-04 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77FBF6EA01D for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070530202340.JGDX12936.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:23:40 +0100 Received: from trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk ([86.20.172.234]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070530202340.FWSE29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk> for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:23:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [192.168.1.101]) by trapdoor.kaijaks.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4061E2B096 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:23:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <465DDD49.5020306@freelists.org> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:23:37 +0100 From: Ovation Pro List User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 568 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: davidpilling@freelists.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 29 May, David Pilling wrote: >>> Or would we have to start with the scripts in the >>> imposition applet to work out what they're doing and proceed from there? >> Of course looking at what has been done may help. Nick Kaijaks did an >> enhanced print format - he is one of the few people to get their heads >> around the complexities. Yes, I suspect that if you search the mailing list archives for the term 'synapse snapper' you'll probably find me writing about imposition :-) > The Imposit applet is Nick Kaijacks' work. He may, of course, have decided > that it was sensible to provide what he did and that anything more complex is > a pre-press system which already exists on other systems and can process PS > or PDF files but isn't appropriate to add on to a single DTP app. That gives me too much credit I think - I just amended half-section handling for the booklet script and did some work on additional formats for things like work-and-turn. I do recall spending a chunk of one bank holiday weekend about 9 years ago starting to try to do something more automated, and then giving it up as a job for someone who can write proper code rather than hacking around scripts... >>IF (asked to write imposition script) THEN >>PUT (fingers in ears) >>GOTO (door) >>RUN (away screaming) >>ENDIF Yeah, proper code like that... I'm scratching my head trying to remember anything useful after so long. I think the trickiest thing to get your head around is the relationship between the different elements: paperpage, paperpagearea, paperarea, papermaxarea. The names make it rather too easy to lose track of which thing you're trying to stick on the page where. As a curious aside, I've found myself doing almost the same job at work doing some Java code using the iText PDF-creation library. PDFs have a concept of a Form XObject, which you can 'rubber-stamp' onto the page, which I've been using to impose multiple business cards onto a sheet. What goes around... Anyway, I lose track of whether it's true of OPro imposition as well, but with iText, you get real fun when you start rotating and scaling. The coordinate origins are generally not where you expected. I think this may have bitten me back then on RISC OS too. I don't know about a flow chart, but much trial and error with a virtual printer (SPrinter or PDF) certainly helps to understand the effects of changes. Best, Nick From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 31 13:40:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HtVzL-1rBknw-07-9YG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 13:40:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HtVzL-1rBknw-07-9YG; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:45:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HtVzL-1rBknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:45:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HtVzJ-0007TC-Jl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 30 May 2007 21:45:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A1326EA7DE; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15763-03; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C54ED6EA7DA; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C27F6EA7B1 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15643-02 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-04.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.41]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC406EA6F8 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 17:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.40) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (8.0.009) id 465395190017283E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:45:06 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:35:01 +0200 Message-ID: <46644aeb4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 569 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> "lists (ww)" wrote: > OPro v2.77 quit as I tried a find and replace action today. > > Here's what I was doing. Tell me if this is beyond its capabilities. > Text reads: > > OliverCalendar Girls". > > (Note, they're NOT square brackets) > The text has many of these top-bit characters. > I wanted to Find Oliver > Highlight '=92' > Ctrl-c copy to clipboard > F4 > Ctrl-v to paste '=92' in Find icon > Type ' in Replace icon > Tick Find from Start > Click Go > OPro quits without error. I tried this successfully. OvPro v2.77 (26 Feb 2007) > > I restarted OPro and tried to repeat it but it stayed running, first > claiming "Not Found!", then after a few more attempts, it worked! > Is this some feature of F&R whereby it won't see a character until the > second attempt? I often notice that Find & Replace will claim "Not > Found!" on the first attempt, then will find it at another try. After the 1st 'run' it is possible that a letter is highlighted. S&R then only works on the marked block, giving the "Not found". In other words, when using S&R, check that no text is marked. > > I've now installed SRWE 0.03. > > Brian > Iyonix 5.11 -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 31 22:06:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HtpBZ-0UtVbs-06-Fva.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:06:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HtpBZ-0UtVbs-06-Fva; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HtpBZ-0UtVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HtpBV-00011E-Hn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2BB66EAF3B for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00417-02-5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FD296EAF72 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 14:12:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5C536EAF3B for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32655-01 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40C4C6EAEE4 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:12:13 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.138.64 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuE6AIStXkZYaYpAUGdsb2JhbACHLohHAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,599,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="583087753:sNHT16237284" Received: from [88.105.138.64] (port=10207 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HtoxD-000Dko-Bj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:00:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:59:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 570 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Obvious innit, this RO 6 install is turning into a MS-Windows upgrade. David, I'm having a problem with SparkFS, and despite replacing the "IfExists" in SparkFS.Resources with your updated version for the RO 6, I am still getting the same old error message: " File 'SparkFSFiler_OpenDir' not found", when I double click an archive if Spark FS has not been used before in the current session. I do have the path to SparkFS set in the Boot Configure, Boot at startup tool. Any useful additional thoughts please. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 31 22:06:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Htplv-2hKVbs-08-FLE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:06:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Htplv-2hKVbs-08-FLE; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:53:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Htplv-2hKVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:53:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Htplv-0005xq-F9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:53:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 603776EA40B for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05831-01 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A24A6E9F79 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 14:50:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4437B6E9F5E for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05693-10 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13DEB6EA101 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HtplD-000LWL-DG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:52:35 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:51:44 +0100 Message-ID: <5c47bfeb4e.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 571 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Obvious innit, this RO 6 install is turning into a MS-Windows upgrade. > David, I'm having a problem with SparkFS, and despite replacing the > "IfExists" in SparkFS.Resources with your updated version for the RO 6, I > am still getting the same old error message: " File 'SparkFSFiler_OpenDir' > not found", when I double click an archive if Spark FS has not been used > before in the current session. > I do have the path to SparkFS set in the Boot Configure, Boot at startup > tool. > Any useful additional thoughts please. Have you downloaded the version on the website and used that version, I have just upgrade one of my computer to RISC OS 6 and !SparkFS is 1.41 is working fine. -- Chris Hughes From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 31 22:06:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Htr0o-2AFGPo-07-E6L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:06:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Htr0o-2AFGPo-07-E6L; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:12:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Htr0o-2AFGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:12:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Htr0n-0007OK-Nl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:12:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D01676EAAD6 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16082-08 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D3126EA79D for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A77746EAAD6 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15982-07 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2834C6EA5DC for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070531201201.NWNZ13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:12:01 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070531201201.OYFS26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:12:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:03:08 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <465DDD49.5020306@freelists.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In on Wed 30 May, Ovation Pro List wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Tue 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > >>> Or would we have to start with the scripts in the > >>> imposition applet to work out what they're doing and proceed from > >>> there? > >> Of course looking at what has been done may help. Nick Kaijaks did an > >> enhanced print format - he is one of the few people to get their heads > >> around the complexities. > > Yes, I suspect that if you search the mailing list archives for the term > 'synapse snapper' you'll probably find me writing about imposition :-) > > > The Imposit applet is Nick Kaijacks' work. He may, of course, have > > decided that it was sensible to provide what he did and that anything > > more complex is a pre-press system which already exists on other systems > > and can process PS or PDF files but isn't appropriate to add on to a > > single DTP app. > > That gives me too much credit I think - I just amended half-section > handling for the booklet script and did some work on additional formats > for things like work-and-turn. > > I do recall spending a chunk of one bank holiday weekend about 9 years > ago starting to try to do something more automated, and then giving it > up as a job for someone who can write proper code rather than hacking > around scripts... > > >>IF (asked to write imposition script) THEN > >>PUT (fingers in ears) > >>GOTO (door) > >>RUN (away screaming) > >>ENDIF > > Yeah, proper code like that... > > I'm scratching my head trying to remember anything useful after so long. > I think the trickiest thing to get your head around is the relationship > between the different elements: paperpage, paperpagearea, paperarea, > papermaxarea. The names make it rather too easy to lose track of which > thing you're trying to stick on the page where. > > As a curious aside, I've found myself doing almost the same job at work > doing some Java code using the iText PDF-creation library. PDFs have a > concept of a Form XObject, which you can 'rubber-stamp' onto the page, > which I've been using to impose multiple business cards onto a sheet. > What goes around... > > Anyway, I lose track of whether it's true of OPro imposition as well, > but with iText, you get real fun when you start rotating and scaling. > The coordinate origins are generally not where you expected. I think > this may have bitten me back then on RISC OS too. > > I don't know about a flow chart, but much trial and error with a virtual > printer (SPrinter or PDF) certainly helps to understand the effects of > changes. Thanks for the input Nick. I've been playing with PSUtils and cannot get it to even do what Booklet printing does in Opro. It looks like it should but I can only get 2 of the 4 pages per side, adding the other 2 with what I think is the same syntax generates syntax errors :-( When specifying positions for multi-page impositions in PSUtils the paper origin is bottom left, and even when rotated the location for the imposed page references the bottom left of that page. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 31 22:06:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HtrFs-2syGPo-05-DrH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:06:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HtrFs-2syGPo-05-DrH; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:28:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HtrFs-2syGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:28:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HtrFq-0002vK-JS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:28:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B55B06EA1AD for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18459-06-3 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 514EE6EA25A for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 16:25:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 572306EA068 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18351-04 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A44576E9E09 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.138.64 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuE6APrLXkZYaYpAUGdsb2JhbACHLohHAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,370,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="581691577:sNHT554491329" Received: from [88.105.138.64] (port=10288 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HtrAj-000DRt-U5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:23:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:22:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 573 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 31 May, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > Obvious innit, this RO 6 install is turning into a MS-Windows upgrade. > David, I'm having a problem with SparkFS, and despite replacing the > "IfExists" in SparkFS.Resources with your updated version for the RO 6, > I am still getting the same old error message: " File > 'SparkFSFiler_OpenDir' not found", when I double click an archive if > Spark FS has not been used before in the current session. > I do have the path to SparkFS set in the Boot Configure, Boot at startup > tool. > Any useful additional thoughts please. > Dave S The problem has now been sorted. Prompted by David Pitt, I was reminded to do a *Show Spark* and see what presented... Strange business, even though I have SparkFS path set in Boot Configure Boot Look at, the above command returned a path to a completely different SparkFS (Differently named as well), so I've put that version of SparkFS down a directory level below the main SparkFS, rebooted the machine and now all is okay. I still don't understand how a version of SparkFS that is not named SparkFS could steal the path pointer from a version set in Boot Configure Look at, as SparkFS. Ah well such are the mysteries of computing. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 11:45:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HtsIX-2UL000-07-Coc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:45:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HtsIX-2UL000-07-Coc; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:35:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HtsIX-2UL000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:35:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HtsIX-0002PX-FM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:35:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB09C6E9E64 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27203-07 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8379A6E9DF1 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25F206E9E6D for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27100-06 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEC6E6E9DDF for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyo) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HtsHq-00039H-Lr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:34:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:33:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 574 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I looked into doing some work with OPro's imposition functions some time ago, but never got to quite finish things off. I spent quite a lot of time studying the existing scripts and all the imposition and printing functions available, but I remember having difficulty trying to get it to produce the layout I needed, and sadly I never got back to looking at it again. I'd always planned on attempting a separate program to create an imposition script editor (of sorts). The idea being, you arrange your layout graphically then it creates the OPro script for that layout. But in reality it's such a huge task to do, that it just isn't worth it, as there are other products around that do the job much better - admittedly not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. The imposition packages available on Mac or PC can be very expensive, running into the thousands, but for those looking for a 'relatively' cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus from www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a whole range of imposition and manipulation features for PDF files. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 11:45:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Htsrz-3nj000-05-CFA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:45:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Htsrz-3nj000-05-CFA; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Htsrz-3nj000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Htsry-000621-G7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:11:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17CE36EB0CB for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00614-05 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE0D46EB09B for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ACA66EB0CB for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00396-06 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 365166EB09B for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2D8F32000084 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:11:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-54438943.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.67.137.67]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id DC0D02000083 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:11:02 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070531221102901.DC0D02000083@mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:10:39 +0100 Message-ID: <357dd1eb4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > On 31 May, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >> Obvious innit, this RO 6 install is turning into a MS-Windows upgrade. > >> David, I'm having a problem with SparkFS, and despite replacing the >> "IfExists" in SparkFS.Resources with your updated version for the RO 6, >> I am still getting the same old error message: " File >> 'SparkFSFiler_OpenDir' not found", when I double click an archive if >> Spark FS has not been used before in the current session. > >> I do have the path to SparkFS set in the Boot Configure, Boot at startup >> tool. > >> Any useful additional thoughts please. > >> Dave S > > The problem has now been sorted. > Prompted by David Pitt, I was reminded to do a *Show Spark* and see what > presented... > > Strange business, even though I have SparkFS path set in Boot Configure > Boot Look at, the above command returned a path to a completely different > SparkFS (Differently named as well), so I've put that version of SparkFS > down a directory level below the main SparkFS, rebooted the machine and > now all is okay. > > I still don't understand how a version of SparkFS that is not named > SparkFS could steal the path pointer from a version set in Boot Configure > Look at, as SparkFS. > > Ah well such are the mysteries of computing. > > Dave S > I had a similar problem with an old version of Sparkplug. (The related apps are a complete coincidence). I had renamed it !OldSparkPlug as I didn't want it to be booted. I forgot that every application in the Apps directory gets booted, regardless of its name. To qualify as an Application, it appears to need a name beginning !, and to possess a !boot file. It doesn't need a sprite file containing a sprite whose name matches the application - in this case the sprite was still called SparkPlug, so the folder didn't display the correct icon. It still got booted. Since it was a 1993 version I deleted it. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 11:45:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HttT3-05jknw-03-Be6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:45:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HttT3-05jknw-03-Be6; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:50:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HttT3-05jknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:50:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HttT3-0006Ej-If for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:50:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C81036E9DA6 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05193-07 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CAB46E9D3C for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 31 May 2007 18:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFFFD6E9DA6 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05115-05 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96CB56E9C22 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 18:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.52.241] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1HttSM1gX7-0003C9; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:49:22 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:49:10 +0200 Message-ID: <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19JgAmv8jBbNoo6XFRk2cxxyP+xeZuTxjEH+Y9 eAvL483PoPEJID2dnx4bONuHEkvqO6J1TnUFe2XO1nDm6W04Kh wzq527ASmBANtv+wX9H8pOZfr5UPlzS X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 576 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > The problem has now been sorted. > Prompted by David Pitt, I was reminded to do a *Show Spark* and see what > presented... > Strange business, even though I have SparkFS path set in Boot Configure > Boot Look at, the above command returned a path to a completely different > SparkFS (Differently named as well), so I've put that version of SparkFS > down a directory level below the main SparkFS, rebooted the machine and > now all is okay. > I still don't understand how a version of SparkFS that is not named > SparkFS could steal the path pointer from a version set in Boot Configure > Look at, as SparkFS. > Ah well such are the mysteries of computing. Not a mystery at all. The name of the application does not mean anything. If your other copy is "seen" by the Filer after the one called SparkFS, it takes precedence. That is standard RISC OS behaviour. Presumably, the reason why a copy of SparkFS is there under a different name is because you have renamed it. You should either refrain from doing so or you should know what the consequences are. The bottom line is to never allow outdated applications to hang around where they are seen by the Filer. The best way to ensure that is to keep them as a standard directory without a leading "!". For instance, supposing you have SparkFS 1.30 and you want to keep a backup when you upgrade to SparkFS 1.41. Then, simply take a copy as SparkFS130 (NB - without a leading "!") and upgrade the original !SparkFS directory to the newer version. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 11:45:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hu0Yo-17T000-08-D4r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:45:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hu0Yo-17T000-08-D4r; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:24:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hu0Yo-17T000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:24:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hu0Yo-0004Bw-8k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:24:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E5726EA597 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10063-02 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4322A6EA3D3 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:21:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A9E16EA597 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09967-08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EB276E9761 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:21:54 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.229.46 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlE4AJpYX0ZYaeUuUGdsb2JhbACHLohIAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,371,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="583289278:sNHT18490262" Received: from [88.105.229.46] (port=10137 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hu0Xu-0001ZX-Ny for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:15:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 577 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> [Snip] > > I still don't understand how a version of SparkFS that is not named > > SparkFS could steal the path pointer from a version set in Boot > > Configure Look at, as SparkFS. > > Ah well such are the mysteries of computing. > Not a mystery at all. The name of the application does not mean > anything. If your other copy is "seen" by the Filer after the one > called SparkFS, it takes precedence. That is standard RISC OS > behaviour. Presumably, the reason why a copy of SparkFS is there under > a different name is because you have renamed it. You should either > refrain from doing so or you should know what the consequences are. > The bottom line is to never allow outdated applications to hang around > where they are seen by the Filer. The best way to ensure that is to > keep them as a standard directory without a leading "!". For instance, > supposing you have SparkFS 1.30 and you want to keep a backup when you > upgrade to SparkFS 1.41. Then, simply take a copy as SparkFS130 (NB - > without a leading "!") and upgrade the original !SparkFS directory to > the newer version. > Martin Thanks for the explanation Guys, now you've put the words down, so to speak, I can see what happened. After the RO 6 install, I moved a copy of the other !SparkFSNC out of its lower level directory, up one level to the same dir in which resides the in use !SparkFS and forgot I'd done that action, consequently because of its name it was seen after the SparkFS... Now that it is back down it's okay. Backup on this machine are not a problem, as they are stored on the second Hardrive which is only used for backing up. Martin, I can't change it, it is the same version as the top level SparkFS, it's just configured very differently, so when needed I can just quit the standard SparkFS and run the differently configured version. I have instead now removed the pling from the !Boot file inside the SparkFSNC version. Again, thanks guys for the help. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 12:25:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hu5C2-0UY000-07-Gy9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:25:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hu5C2-0UY000-07-Gy9; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:21:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hu5C2-0UY000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:21:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hu5C1-0006MD-EB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:21:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 894A76EA45D for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06311-09 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BD146EA45C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 471416EA100 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06069-03 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D65DC6EA006 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hu59t-0003ZO-HD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:19:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:16:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 578 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >After the RO 6 install, I moved a copy of the other !SparkFSNC out of its >lower level directory, up one level to the same dir in which resides the >in use !SparkFS and forgot I'd done that action, consequently because of >its name it was seen after the SparkFS... So as others have said to disable an app, rename with no leading !, or rename the !Boot file inside the app. I suppose as with Ovation applets one could create a bit of code that replaced the existing !Run and allowed you to toggle apps on/off by e.g. double clicking with ctrl+shift held down. I doubt this is really necessary. However it is not uncommon for people to install more than one copy of an application and then get odd results. Often the fact that the spare is tucked away in some obscure directory doesn't stop it being booted (Desktop boot file) and just makes locating the problem harder. F12 show * will show you where the system variables for an app. are pointing. >Backup on this machine are not a problem, as they are stored on the second >Hardrive which is only used for backing up. No problem until the PSU breaks and takes out both drives at once. >Martin, I can't change it, it is the same version as the top level >SparkFS, it's just configured very differently, so when needed I can just >quit the standard SparkFS and run the differently configured version. ISTR most of the configuration of the SparkFS modules is done by *commands so you might be able to set up some obey files to change settings. For example setting Zip files to no compression should be easy via an obey file. Another aspect which interests me did you *have* to change the IfExists utility for RISC OS 6? When I left it, the new TUs where for the Stuart Tyrrell machine, and as soon as I produced them they added a switch to turn off the feature. Given the limited audience I've been relaxed about building them into new versions of things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 12:25:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hu5E9-0dd000-06-Gw2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:25:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hu5E9-0dd000-06-Gw2; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:23:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hu5E9-0dd000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:23:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hu5E8-0000oT-VJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:23:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE4F06EA5D4 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06534-08-3 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77B966EA351 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 515176EA464 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06428-07 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 020A56EA45D for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hu5CM-000411-I0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:22:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:19:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford writes >not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus from >www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have produced a more viable product. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 14:26:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hu75V-3I3knw-07-F4g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:26:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hu75V-3I3knw-07-F4g; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:22:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hu75V-3I3knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:22:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hu75U-0001I6-FY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:22:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547446EA8F3 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20452-08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A8B96EA861 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:20:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 518A76EA6A6 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20320-09 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ED8A6EA513 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hu74n-000Cmj-4I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:21:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:59:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 580 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford=20 > writes > >not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the > >demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. > >cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus fr= om > >www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a > Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the=20 > time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have=20 > produced a more viable product. Produce a significant upgrade to Ovation Pro and you will receive income. People want to give you money. Do a Martin Wuerthner and produce regular upgrades to Ovation Pro, DPlngScan, and other software and you'll get a (small!) regular income. Do that and demonstrate* it at shows and you'll capture all the remaining Impression users too. Why not (it's dead easy to ask impossible things of programmers! ;-) ... = why not produce a PostScript export for Ovation Pro, then a pdf export (that = will produce copy that commercial printers can use), then enable import of previously exported pages into frames? I'd say charge =A330 for each upgr= ade spread over a couple of years - except that I'd like it all now. I would = pay =A3200 (make that =A32000 if you'll take payment in advertising space) fo= r that commercial printer ready version of pdf export though. I don't know how many copies you would sell - but I cannot imagine that i= t would be less than the numbers of ArtWorks upgrades that Martin sells. *I know you don't want to do this yourself. It would be best done that wa= y but you could find someone to do it for you. ROL found Steve Potts to demo RO= 6 at the Wakefield Show. Others could be found to demo Ovation Pro on a regula= r basis; say you'll do the upgrades and someone will be found. --=20 John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 19:31:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hu8RD-0BSGPo-07-Diy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:31:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hu8RD-0BSGPo-07-Diy; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:49:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hu8RD-0BSGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:49:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hu8R9-0005Rr-Vl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:49:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34C9D6E98A2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31469-07 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 108D66E9A55 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:46:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C62506E98A2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31344-07 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 856B76E988B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 10:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5549 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2007 00:48:19 +1000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with SMTP; 2 Jun 2007 00:48:19 +1000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:49:32 +0900 Message-ID: <5f7227ec4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 581 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >> writes >>>not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>>demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. SNIP > Produce a significant upgrade to Ovation Pro and you will receive income. > People want to give you money. Do a Martin Wuerthner and produce regular SNIP > not produce a PostScript export for Ovation Pro, then a pdf export (that will > produce copy that commercial printers can use), then enable import of SNIP A PDF export facility would be fantastic. Having spent two nights converting a 350 page doc to PDF has been a pain. Far better if OP could output it direct. Also a simple way to index: highlight word, click index icon, click 'build index' when finished all selection and it is done. Even better if it put the index at the end of the doc! Wow! My money is ready! -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 19:31:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hu9ij-38l000-03-CRS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:31:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hu9ij-38l000-03-CRS; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:11:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hu9ij-38l000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:11:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hu9ii-00035A-Bo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:11:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04D116EB122; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09445-06; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A0A76EB125; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5E8D6EB06B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09291-09 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FEB16EB035 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AADE000156 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:10:36 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:10:37 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 582 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford=20 > writes >> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. > >> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus fr= om >> www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a > > Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the=20 > time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have=20 > produced a more viable product. With reference to the other two replies that you have already received.=20 These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo=20 Land. You made it quite clear in your comment above that much less time=20 spent on a Windows add-on product would have brought in much more than=20 the time spent on a RISC OS product. Do these people listen? No, they=20 just go into the tired old routine of offering what is (to be frank) a=20 ridiculous amount of money. =A3200? Don't make me laugh! Come into the=20 real world. A contract probrammer can earn that much in a DAY quite=20 easily (and could do so 10 years ago to my certain knowledge). When consumers in the RISC OS world realise what it really costs to=20 develop software, they might give up on the eternal "I would give =A330=20 for this or =A350 for that" refrain.Go for the big money in the Windows=20 world (or anywhere else) David, and when you are earning a decent living=20 please come back and help us out here. This is how most of the RISC OS=20 world works at the moment.Few can hope to make a living solely out of=20 work done purely for the RISC OS desktop market. As far as we are told by the Castle conglomerate, the Iyonix is produced=20 as a by-product of the set-top market. The A9Home is a sideline of a=20 business which was set up to supply mobile computing in specific areas=20 of need. Little as some may like it, unless there is a major upset in the desktop=20 market this is how it will stay forever. --=20 Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars=20 phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 19:31:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuA0j-4RE000-03-C9S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuA0j-4RE000-03-C9S; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:29:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuA0j-4RE000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:29:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuA0i-0000j5-9t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:29:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FEA86EB111; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11915-09; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB9286EB11D; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:27:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BD046EB111 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11745-09 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 7B3136EB021 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17570 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2007 02:29:09 +1000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with SMTP; 2 Jun 2007 02:29:09 +1000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:30:12 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> Phillip Marsden wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >> writes >>> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >> >>> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus f= rom >>> www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a >> >> Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the >> time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have >> produced a more viable product. > With reference to the other two replies that you have already received. > These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo If you refer to my comment it was a statement of what I would be=20 prepared to pay for in an upgraded version (or what my priority would=20 be) It might only be a =A330 upgrade but depending on how many others=20 took up the upgrade it might return the cost of doing it. By you comment you only think 10 people would take the upgrade. I'm=20 sure that there are far more than that with OP and would pay for an=20 upgrade. If you are so convinced that the RISC OS market is so dead=20 why do you hang around sniping all the time. Leave us in peace in=20 Cloud Cuckoo Land - or are you just another looney too!?!? --=20 Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web:=20 http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 19:31:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuAS6-1yrknw-01-Bi5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuAS6-1yrknw-01-Bi5; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:58:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuAS6-1yrknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:58:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuARz-0005xg-KU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:58:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7C286EABF2; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15314-05; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BE186EADAC; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5169D6EABF2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15191-06 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E80CC6EAA3A for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuAR9-000KuQ-8D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:57:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:42:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eec37410djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01 Jun, Phillip Marsden wrote: > These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo=20 > Land. Thankfully most people is this cloud-cuckoo land are still able to offer = help and criticism without being rude - and accept valid criticism in return. = It's up to David to assess what is best for him. My offer of =A3200 cash or =A3= 2000 to advertise his products was an offer that will remain on the table. If Dav= id produces that product then that's what I, as a single consumer, will pay = for a licence to use that upgarde to Ovation Pro. I hope that David would get sufficient lots of =A330, =A350, or even =A3200 to make it worth his whil= e - even if it doesn't add up to the income of a full-time contract programmer. I don't see that encouraging people is something that is so wrong. I don'= t even believe that working at something you like, for people that apprecia= te your work, has to be done at the highest profit. I may even destroy my business image entirely by suggesting that I'd continue to produce Qercus= into my retirement even if it paid me not a bean. ;-) --=20 John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 19:31:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuATO-240knw-04-Bgn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuATO-240knw-04-Bgn; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuATO-240knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuASX-0006Ma-Uy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7673A6EB018; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15367-06; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE9156EB081; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 257596EB018 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15280-09 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net (mra05.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AE506EAFE1 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0333C4992 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:57:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23310-01-85 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:57:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064B0C4972 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:57:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <323be4094f.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> Phillip Marsden wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >> writes >>> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >> >>> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus f= rom >>> www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a >> >> Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the >> time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have >> produced a more viable product. > With reference to the other two replies that you have already received. > These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo > Land. You made it quite clear in your comment above that much less time > spent on a Windows add-on product would have brought in much more than > the time spent on a RISC OS product. Do these people listen? No, they > just go into the tired old routine of offering what is (to be frank) a > ridiculous amount of money. =A3200? Don't make me laugh! Come into the > real world. A contract probrammer can earn that much in a DAY quite > easily (and could do so 10 years ago to my certain knowledge). >=20 > When consumers in the RISC OS world realise what it really costs to > develop software, they might give up on the eternal "I would give =A330 > for this or =A350 for that" refrain.Go for the big money in the Windows > world (or anywhere else) David, and when you are earning a decent livin= g > please come back and help us out here. This is how most of the RISC OS > world works at the moment.Few can hope to make a living solely out of > work done purely for the RISC OS desktop market. [snip] Is there not a market for a "turnkey" solution similar to my Panel=20 Editor recently featured in Drobe? Bundle an A9 to boot straight into =20 OPro, standard output to PDF, as a publisher's or printer's tool? Charge an _annual_ licence sufficient to make purchasers think they're=20 getting something really worth having, 4 or possibly 5 figures, and=20 maintenance at 300 a day plus expenses. Martin --=20 Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 19:31:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuAau-2Ypknw-02-BZH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 19:31:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuAau-2Ypknw-02-BZH; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:07:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuAau-2Ypknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:07:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuAas-0003Mq-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:07:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E39B86EB0C5; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16336-01; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A3A46EB00D; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 352FB6EB066 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16196-06 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B06C26EADDB for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony*pop3&vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.243) id 46605212.20b8.c7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:06:26 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:06:24 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.6) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 586 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 1 Jun at 17:10 Phillip Marsden wrote in message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford > > writes > > > not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the > > > demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. > > > > > cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus > > > from www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and > > > offers a > > > > Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the > > time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have > > produced a more viable product. > With reference to the other two replies that you have already received. [snip rant] That nasty attack of bile was unjustified and totally unconstructive: (a) I'm sure that David is perfectly able to sort out his own life. (b) Whilst you may be correct in your assessment of the RISC OS market, voicing your opinion here is not going to help anyone. (c) The ad hominiem attack will only generate bad feeling. Keep taking the medication! -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 21:55:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuCrB-0nTGPo-05-9J0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:55:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuCrB-0nTGPo-05-9J0; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:32:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuCrB-0nTGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:32:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuCrA-0003Y9-Cg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:32:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7B516EB44B; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05356-05-4; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0662D6EB4A4; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF4A06EB1CF for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05164-10 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A724E6EAD66 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AECE00042D for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:31:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4660740F.6090309@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:31:27 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <4eec37410djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eec37410djohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain John Cartmell wrote: > On 01 Jun, Phillip Marsden wrote: > >> These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo >> Land. >> > > Thankfully most people is this cloud-cuckoo land are still able to offer help > and criticism without being rude - and accept valid criticism in return. I am glad to hear it. When are you going to start? [snip] > I may even destroy my > business image entirely by suggesting that I'd continue to produce Qercus into > my retirement even if it paid me not a bean. ;-) > > I wouldn't worry about your business image if I were you. I would say more, but that is as much time as I am going to waste on you. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 21:55:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuCrW-0oGGPo-02-9If.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:55:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuCrW-0oGGPo-02-9If; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:32:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuCrW-0oGGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:32:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuCrS-00002S-1n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:32:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39ACC6EB4C7; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05483-02-3; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F33536EB4C8; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:29:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96D186EB465 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05251-07 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50ACC6EB3E9 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF631E00041D for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:31:50 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46607427.7030406@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:31:51 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 588 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross McGuinness wrote: > In message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > =20 >> David Pilling wrote: >> =20 >>> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >>> writes >>> =20 >>>> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>>> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >>>> =20 >>>> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus = from >>>> www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a >>>> =20 >>> Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the >>> time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have >>> produced a more viable product. >>> =20 >> With reference to the other two replies that you have already received= . >> These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo >> =20 > > If you refer to my comment it was a statement of what I would be=20 > prepared to pay for in an upgraded version (or what my priority would=20 > be) It might only be a =A330 upgrade but depending on how many others=20 > took up the upgrade it might return the cost of doing it. > > By you comment you only think 10 people would take the upgrade. I'm=20 > sure that there are far more than that with OP and would pay for an=20 > upgrade. If you are so convinced that the RISC OS market is so dead=20 > why do you hang around sniping all the time. Leave us in peace in=20 > Cloud Cuckoo Land - or are you just another looney too!?!? > =20 I believe that I am! :o( I had no figure in mind about how many people would pay for an upgrade,=20 but it would appear from David Pilling's original comment that he is=20 thinking that writing non-RISC OS-originated software would be more=20 viable for him. Given your figures, you are perhaps thinking that an upgrade to OPro is=20 only going to take several days of effort on the part of David. With the=20 best will in the world, I don't think so. --=20 Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars=20 phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 21:55:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuCrx-0paGPo-04-9IE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:55:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuCrx-0paGPo-04-9IE; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:33:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuCrx-0paGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:33:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuCrw-0000vF-5H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:33:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6237C6EB103; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05648-06; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4CC96EAD53; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:30:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EBA26EB405 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05427-07 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D32AC6EB418 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233A6E00045B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:32:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:32:21 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 589 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 1 Jun at 17:10 Phillip Marsden wrote in > message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> > > >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >>> writes >>> >>>> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>>> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >>>> >>>> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus >>>> from www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and >>>> offers a >>>> >>> Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the >>> time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have >>> produced a more viable product. >>> > > >> With reference to the other two replies that you have already received. >> > [snip rant] > > That nasty attack of bile was unjustified and totally unconstructive: > > (a) I'm sure that David is perfectly able to sort out his own life. > (b) Whilst you may be correct in your assessment of the RISC OS market, > voicing your opinion here is not going to help anyone. > (c) The ad hominiem attack will only generate bad feeling. > > Keep taking the medication! > What nasty attack of bile? What medication? I am certain that David Pilling can sort out his own life. I was merely confirming what appears to be his growing belief that he would be better off (financially) working in a non-RISC OS area. I did ask him to come back and help us when he is able to. Surely that is being constructive? If pointing out that there are many end-users within the RISC OS field who are completely out of touch with reality when it comes to software development costs is an "ad hominem" attack, then so be it. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 21:55:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuDDN-1TBGPo-03-8wo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:55:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuDDN-1TBGPo-03-8wo; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:55:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuDDN-1TBGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:55:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuDDG-0003JS-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:55:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D4BC6E74BF; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09093-05-4; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3FD16EB60D; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EAFE6EA76F for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08907-10 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 471636E9F1B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:49:18 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.250.46 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah5FAAwVYEZYafouUGdsb2JhbACHLohHAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,373,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="591000992:sNHT16066820" Received: from [88.105.250.46] (port=10529 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HuD9J-000BHg-Eu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:51:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:50:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 590 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > ISTR most of the configuration of the SparkFS modules is done by > *commands so you might be able to set up some obey files to change > settings. For example setting Zip files to no compression should be easy > via an obey file. So what you are saying is... If I create an obey file with, for example: *SparkFSNoCo Zip When the obey is run it would configure the running SFS to that? No Compression. Well actually it doesn't which is why I'm now asking. > Another aspect which interests me did you *have* to change the IfExists > utility for RISC OS 6? When I left it, the new TUs where for the Stuart > Tyrrell machine, and as soon as I produced them they added a switch to > turn off the feature. Given the limited audience I've been relaxed about > building them into new versions of things. No I didn't have to, I changed one copy of SFS just to see, but it still worked okay when I changed it back, but of course it then again gets reported in the File Switch log. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 21:55:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuDqb-0Pc000-02-Gq6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:55:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuDqb-0Pc000-02-Gq6; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:35:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuDqb-0Pc000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:35:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuDqa-0007GP-Th for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:35:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFEC76EB53B; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15685-08; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E53E6EB531; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:33:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76DCC6EB4E2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15583-05 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41F936EB42E for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-240-253.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.240.253]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F29E0000B6 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:35:00 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:29:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eec4c175erkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 591 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > Produce a significant upgrade to Ovation Pro and you will receive > income. People want to give you money. Do a Martin Wuerthner and > produce regular upgrades to Ovation Pro, DPlngScan, and other > software and you'll get a (small!) regular income. Do that and > demonstrate* it at shows and you'll capture all the remaining > Impression users too. > ........ I couldn't agree more! My money is waiting for you. Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 1 22:15:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuEPM-1v1000-04-GHL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:15:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuEPM-1v1000-04-GHL; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:11:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuEPM-1v1000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:11:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuEPL-0006yk-TT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:11:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADB136EB78D; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20976-01; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 316F86EB748; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9B2C6EB72B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20828-03 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A18C56EB725 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuEOf-0004Ca-7N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:10:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:09:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 592 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >So what you are saying is... >If I create an obey file with, for example: >*SparkFSNoCo Zip No. Look at page 18 in the SparkFS manual: *SparkFSMethod Sets the compression method for a given archive type. Then we jump to Appendix 1 where it says that Zip is type 4. At a guess (!) no compression is method 0 and deflation is method 8. So something like *SparkFSMethod 4 0 is the command you would issue. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 21:59:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuEdL-2jw000-03-G3M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:59:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuEdL-2jw000-03-G3M; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:26:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuEdL-2jw000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:26:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuEdK-0002yE-W5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:26:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAD246EB0CD; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23100-04; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25FAC6EB247; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C6D46EB0CD for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22964-10 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E12406E9174 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.52.241] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1HuEce1QPz-0004At; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:25:24 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:26:50 +0200 Message-ID: <495051ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3pBhxi2npLzNQRAecxvuylMDPThruPNv3iBK Xo1RNGBVfxiB7272WkLolGQD72VavMoCPEbt2tUWL3cCc6gq6y ngom8PQtLf71KJmVNUxh2FXnLmomclt X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 593 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> Phillip Marsden wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >> writes >>> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >> >>> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus f= rom >>> www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a >> >> Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the >> time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have >> produced a more viable product. > > With reference to the other two replies that you have already received.= > These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo > Land. You made it quite clear in your comment above that much less time= > spent on a Windows add-on product would have brought in much more than > the time spent on a RISC OS product. As I read David's comment above it was about writing the *Windows*=20 version of OvationPro, not about the RISC OS version. > Do these people listen? No, they just go into the tired old routine of > offering what is (to be frank) a ridiculous amount of money. =A3200? > Don't make me laugh! Come into the real world. =A3200 from a single user is an amazing amount of money. Of course, for=20 a non-mainstream feature it does not mean anything, but for a feature=20 that is of interest to the majority of the user base it is a lot. > A contract probrammer can earn that much in a DAY quite easily (and > could do so 10 years ago to my certain knowledge). As it happens, =A3200 a day was precisely the target amount I based my=20 budgeting on when I started writing ArtWorks modules more than 10=20 years ago. Not so difficult to achieve even with RISC OS software: As=20 a rule of thumb, for each week of programming work spent you need 100=20 users who pay =A310, or 50 who pay =A320. Of course, all the sales,=20 distribution, accounting and support effort still goes on top of that. Going by your =A3200/d figure and assuming a user base of 300 users who=20 are prepared to upgrade for =A330 inc VAT each, about two months'=20 full-time programming work can be spent to produce the upgrade, which=20 allows substantial development. So, the situation is not quite as bad as you described it. Of course,=20 it all depends on the size of each application's user base. That of=20 most RISC OS applications has fallen below a criticial minimum a long=20 time ago, which precludes any cost-effective development. However, I=20 am certain that OvationPro is still one of the few applications for=20 which it would work. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 21:59:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuElb-4ON000-07-Fv6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:59:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuElb-4ON000-07-Fv6; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:34:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuElb-4ON000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:34:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuElb-00026J-42 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:34:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE7366EB47F; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24342-03-3; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12D106EB54F; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EF286EB4A2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24088-07 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BCEC6EB4AF for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuEkr-0003ni-MY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:33:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:32:33 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4eec22e4a3john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4eec4c175erkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eec4c175erkp@par.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 594 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eec4c175erkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge writes Steady on chaps. It is hard to know what to say that will change the situation of Ovation Pro on RISC OS. Most of what has been said has been said before. Either someone comes up with a new idea or things continue as they have done for the last five years. The latter may not be too bad. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 21:59:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuElx-4Su000-06-Fuk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:59:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuElx-4Su000-06-Fuk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuElx-4Su000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuElw-0007QA-Ha for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:35:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 700946EB50F; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24411-04-3; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EF8F6EB4E5; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 383CE6EB50B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24166-08 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D23616EB501 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuElG-0003u7-LO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:34:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:34:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 595 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , David Pilling writes >*SparkFSMethod 4 0 I feel there has been discussion of this before. Somebody must have obey files full of such commands... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:00:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuFQY-4BYVbs-05-FG9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:00:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuFQY-4BYVbs-05-FG9; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:16:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuFQY-4BYVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:16:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuFQX-00052Y-Ia for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:16:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B5936EB8B2; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30254-06; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83D976EB8C3; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:14:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33FCD6EB8B2 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30129-04 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C42F86EB854 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3454E00019B for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:16:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46609AAC.7000705@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:16:12 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <495051ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <495051ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 596 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > =20 >> David Pilling wrote: >> =20 >>> In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford >>> writes >>> =20 >>>> not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the >>>> demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. >>>> =20 >>>> cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus = from >>>> www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and offers a >>>> =20 >>> Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the >>> time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have >>> produced a more viable product. >>> =20 >> With reference to the other two replies that you have already received= . >> These are yet more examples of RISC OS peopel living in Cloud Cuckoo >> Land. You made it quite clear in your comment above that much less tim= e >> spent on a Windows add-on product would have brought in much more than >> the time spent on a RISC OS product. >> =20 > > As I read David's comment above it was about writing the *Windows*=20 > version of OvationPro, not about the RISC OS version. > > =20 >> Do these people listen? No, they just go into the tired old routine of >> offering what is (to be frank) a ridiculous amount of money. =A3200? >> Don't make me laugh! Come into the real world. >> =20 > > =A3200 from a single user is an amazing amount of money. Of course, for= =20 > a non-mainstream feature it does not mean anything, but for a feature=20 > that is of interest to the majority of the user base it is a lot. > > =20 >> A contract probrammer can earn that much in a DAY quite easily (and >> could do so 10 years ago to my certain knowledge). >> =20 > > As it happens, =A3200 a day was precisely the target amount I based my=20 > budgeting on when I started writing ArtWorks modules more than 10=20 > years ago. Not so difficult to achieve even with RISC OS software: As=20 > a rule of thumb, for each week of programming work spent you need 100=20 > users who pay =A310, or 50 who pay =A320. Of course, all the sales,=20 > distribution, accounting and support effort still goes on top of that. > > Going by your =A3200/d figure and assuming a user base of 300 users who= =20 > are prepared to upgrade for =A330 inc VAT each, about two months'=20 > full-time programming work can be spent to produce the upgrade, which=20 > allows substantial development. > > So, the situation is not quite as bad as you described it. Of course,=20 > it all depends on the size of each application's user base. That of=20 > most RISC OS applications has fallen below a criticial minimum a long=20 > time ago, which precludes any cost-effective development. However, I=20 > am certain that OvationPro is still one of the few applications for=20 > which it would work. > > Martin > =20 I thank you for your comments Martin. There are certain others who pontificate on the RISC OS forums with=20 little or no programming experience and whose words are of no importance=20 whatever, despite their own sense of self-importance. You, however, are=20 an experienced programmer who has worked on several projects of=20 importance and therefore you know what you are talking about. You are=20 also a respected person in the RISC OS world and a person of impeccable=20 credentials, who speaks clearly and precisely with no intention to speak=20 ambiguously. I can accept what you are telling me, based upon the number=20 of users that you assume. I agree with you that David could well have been referring to the time=20 spent on Windows OPro being much less lucrative than time spent on an=20 add-on for another Windows product. As David has already said on the=20 forum that RISC OS programming has not been viable for some time, then=20 this means that RO OPro programming is much less lucrative than Windows=20 OPro programming. Now all David has to do is to get those 300 users to pledge the money. := o) --=20 Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars=20 phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:01:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuM4e-1jbknw-06-8c3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:01:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuM4e-1jbknw-06-8c3; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:22:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuM4e-1jbknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:22:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuM4e-00020D-Eb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:22:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45EA36EB913; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25229-07; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2AA36ED0DD; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:20:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88AA56EB913 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25118-04 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C1846ED0D5 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:20:13 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.253.20 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah5FAN6aYEZYaf0UUGdsb2JhbACHM4hGAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,374,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="582132890:sNHT16535029" Received: from [88.105.253.20] (port=10038 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HuM3x-000B8I-Tv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:22:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:48:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 597 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >So what you are saying is... > >If I create an obey file with, for example: > >*SparkFSNoCo Zip > No. Look at page 18 in the SparkFS manual: > *SparkFSMethod > Sets the compression method for a given archive type. > Then we jump to Appendix 1 where it says that Zip is type 4. > At a guess (!) no compression is method 0 and deflation is method 8. > So something like > *SparkFSMethod 4 0 > is the command you would issue. Okay, you're the boss, I'll try that. Thanks. :-) Problem, problems... Nothing but problems these days. I've done that, but the SparkFS Choices window still shows Type Zip and Method Deflate, so how do I know the Obey file I've just double clicked is going to give me a Zip archive and no compression? Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuPHL-22b000-04-Dvs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuPHL-22b000-04-Dvs; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:48:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuPHL-22b000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:48:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuPHL-00068j-11 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:48:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC67A6ECA9B; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12747-02; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F7B26ECD06; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 04:45:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D74946ECA9B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12084-07 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2B0D6EB00A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 04:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HuPGf-0001tL-1N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:47:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:40:58 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28n (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 598 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Phillip Marsden wrote: > > That nasty attack of bile was unjustified and totally unconstructive:= > > > > (a) I'm sure that David is perfectly able to sort out his own life. > > (b) Whilst you may be correct in your assessment of the RISC OS > > market, voicing your opinion here is not going to help anyone. > > (c) The ad hominiem attack will only generate bad feeling. > > > > Keep taking the medication! > > =20 > What nasty attack of bile? What medication? >=20 > I am certain that David Pilling can sort out his own life. I was merely= =20 > confirming what appears to be his growing belief that he would be bette= r > off (financially) working in a non-RISC OS area. I did ask him to come = > back and help us when he is able to. Surely that is being constructive?= I'm not sure if this is possible with Ovation Pro, but Quentin Pain has rewritten Personal Accounts as a Java application. The RISC OS version of= Personal Accounts 4 was originally rewritten for Windows as PA 5, but the= new version Personal Accountz 6 is provided as Java on a multiplatform CD= . Although RISC OS only has a basic Java implementation, is a Java based OP= a possible viable option for Windows/Linux, Mac, RISC OS? On the cost side, it is worth noting that Microsoft's new Office 2007 (Home & Student edition) is available for under =A390 as a complete offic= e suite, including Word, Excel, Powerpoint etc. No matter what you think of= Word, it is the new goalpost. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuQIp-197knw-03-CuO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuQIp-197knw-03-CuO; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:53:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuQIp-197knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:53:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuQIo-0006bP-Fy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27C0E6EAB6D; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18337-07; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 976FD6ECC0C; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF9386EAB6D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18219-05 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB8736EA9DB for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B94E00028B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 10:52:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46613DFC.4020302@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:53:00 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 599 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ray Dawson wrote: > [snip] > I'm not sure if this is possible with Ovation Pro, but Quentin Pain has > rewritten Personal Accounts as a Java application. The RISC OS version = of > Personal Accounts 4 was originally rewritten for Windows as PA 5, but t= he > new version Personal Accountz 6 is provided as Java on a multiplatform = CD. > > Although RISC OS only has a basic Java implementation, is a Java based = OP > a possible viable option for Windows/Linux, Mac, RISC OS? > > On the cost side, it is worth noting that Microsoft's new Office 2007 > (Home & Student edition) is available for under =A390 as a complete off= ice > suite, including Word, Excel, Powerpoint etc. No matter what you think = of > Word, it is the new goalpost. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > =20 The situation with Java is that the RISC OS version is Java 1.1, almost=20 the very first version that came out. The latest Java runtime available=20 for download is version 6. The development environment will be either 5=20 or 6. The changes between version 1.1 and version 2 were substantial, most=20 applications having to be re-written. Later versions will have=20 introduced even more changes. It is not possible therefore to have a=20 modern Java version of anything on RISC OS. Whether a Java implementation of OPro is viable so that versions can run=20 on different platforms such as Windows/Linux/Apple is something that=20 only David Pilling can answer. Word, the *new* goalpost? Word has been the goalpost ever since it=20 disposed of WordPerfect! :o) --=20 Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars=20 phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuQNs-1mlknw-08-CpL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuQNs-1mlknw-08-CpL; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:58:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuQNs-1mlknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:58:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuQNr-00056S-Mk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:58:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 749306EC618; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18699-05; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0FAF6ECF24; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B5EA6ECEB6 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18484-07 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6BDF6ECEB2 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.62.181] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1HuQNB1QWX-0000im; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:58:13 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:29:18 +0200 Message-ID: <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+bD0UIwAJ/syXOSCmBEzKQ1q2OMLgfRsMvkTb QETwIl8ZE3VzXvuXFriHS95lQjRLyv9tQSNnuQL8fa2Ih0x5Uj 2qM0ZEdtk7j+XnFlZeeHgBZodOpjxoE X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 600 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> *SparkFSMethod >> Sets the compression method for a given archive type. >> >> So something like >> *SparkFSMethod 4 0 >> is the command you would issue. > > I've done that, but the SparkFS Choices window still shows Type Zip and > Method Deflate, so how do I know the Obey file I've just double clicked > is going to give me a Zip archive and no compression? For that specific case, it is simple. After you have added some compressible data to the archive (plain text files or sprites are ideal - avoid compressed archives, GIF or JPEG images because they are already compressed), then count the contents of the archive, then count the archive size itself. Without compression, the archive size is a bit larger than the size of its contents. With compression, the archive size is substantially smaller. If you add large files you will notice the difference anyway - it is very fast for uncompressed archives and rather slow with "Deflate" compression. Finally, just to avoid misunderstandings: The compression type is *not* a property of the archive. There are no such things as "uncompressed Zip files" and "compressed Zip files". The file does not say anything about the compression to be applied. Each individual item in the file can be either compressed or uncompressed. The SparkFSMethod commands do not control the compression when creating an archive. Rather, they control the compression used when adding files to the archive. You can easily create a mixed archive: Create a Zip file (no matter what your current SparkFS settings are), then type *SparkFSMethod 4 0 and add a file. It is added without compression. Then, type *SparkFSMethod 4 8 and add a file. It is added with Deflate compression. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuQNy-1nJknw-06-CpF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuQNy-1nJknw-06-CpF; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:59:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuQNy-1nJknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:59:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuQNy-0000qy-AG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:59:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B0406ECED3; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18720-01; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FC236EC618; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 05:56:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A1D36ECED3 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18584-01 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44F826EC618 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 05:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.62.181] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1HuQNB2M73-0000im; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:58:13 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:38:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ANr8sYfua+hekFtAOiXeSIltl/YSBIwUH3xF O9KKZ5FjAv5icsjEtKw4N5pOkgizEpJdeVas/AIGg3EDg7cgWv rIKWouQLJ/MPajQ8/W9zl6tE4aqQU0r X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 601 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Ray Dawson wrote: > Although RISC OS only has a basic Java implementation, is a Java based OP > a possible viable option for Windows/Linux, Mac, RISC OS? Not for RISC OS - that is certain. Even if we had a comprehensive Java implementation, which we do not have, we would never have nowhere near the processor power to run a serious interactive application at an acceptable speed. While it is well possible that there will be a comprehensive Java implementation for native RISC OS hardware at some stage, it would run something like OvationPro/Java at a speed that would make the RISC OS version of Firefox look really fast. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuQZV-2NRknw-03-Cdi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuQZV-2NRknw-03-Cdi; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:10:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuQZV-2NRknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:10:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuQZU-0001Sm-E8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:10:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3313E6EC4E7; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19194-02; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9604C6ECEFF; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:08:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25A5E6ECEFE for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19055-08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE2276ECEA7 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.62.181] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1HuQYn2tzh-0008DY; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:10:13 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:11:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> <46613DFC.4020302@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <46613DFC.4020302@btinternet.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX185a1Di94FmNEer3nqbD7RDTA+nzFvjZtJT/7A PXTUYyeGv/Q6WIapIjbE7yfH78sMweKqRJybNrfTO6C1URNcmJ 5nwey1nLSZ1y6KEqBvBP/r3uTT+KVkC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 602 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46613DFC.4020302@btinternet.com> Phillip Marsden wrote: >> Although RISC OS only has a basic Java implementation, is a Java based OP >> a possible viable option for Windows/Linux, Mac, RISC OS? > > The situation with Java is that the RISC OS version is Java 1.1 You wish! It is far more ancient than that. It is Java 1.0.2. > almost the very first version that came out. The latest Java runtime > available for download is version 6. The development environment will > be either 5 or 6. > The changes between version 1.1 and version 2 were substantial, most > applications having to be re-written. Actually, the changes between Java 1.0.2 and 1.1 were even more substantial. :-( But that is not really the main problem - if a modern Java environment for RISC OS provided a substantial benefit such a thing could be produced. The problem is that it would not be of much use due to lack of processing power. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuR3y-0HdVbs-06-C9F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuR3y-0HdVbs-06-C9F; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:42:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuR3y-0HdVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:42:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuR3x-0003u4-ER for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:42:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E7356ECA3D; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21286-02; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B5A46EC878; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9BE76ECA3D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21204-04 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C3846ECA2D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:39:49 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.143.206 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah5FABrmYEZYaY/OUGdsb2JhbACHM4hGAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,375,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="583652450:sNHT16989812" Received: from [88.105.143.206] (port=10428 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HuR3E-000MS4-Uz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:41:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:29:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 603 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >> *SparkFSMethod > >> Sets the compression method for a given archive type. > >> > >> So something like > >> *SparkFSMethod 4 0 > >> is the command you would issue. > > I've done that, but the SparkFS Choices window still shows Type Zip > > and Method Deflate, so how do I know the Obey file I've just double > > clicked is going to give me a Zip archive and no compression? > For that specific case, it is simple. After you have added some > compressible data to the archive (plain text files or sprites are > ideal - avoid compressed archives, GIF or JPEG images because they are > already compressed), then count the contents of the archive, then > count the archive size itself. Without compression, the archive size > is a bit larger than the size of its contents. With compression, the > archive size is substantially smaller. Yes that's quite obvious. > If you add large files you will notice the difference anyway - it is > very fast for uncompressed archives and rather slow with "Deflate" > compression. Again quite obvious. I'm obviously looking for something a bit more sophisticated than "Suck it and See". ;-) > Finally, just to avoid misunderstandings: The compression type is > *not* a property of the archive. There are no such things as > "uncompressed Zip files" and "compressed Zip files". The file does not > say anything about the compression to be applied. Each individual item > in the file can be either compressed or uncompressed. The > SparkFSMethod commands do not control the compression when creating an > archive. Rather, they control the compression used when adding files > to the archive. That's useful to know, as I wasn't aware of how it worked. > You can easily create a mixed archive: Create a Zip file (no matter > what your current SparkFS settings are), then type > *SparkFSMethod 4 0 > and add a file. It is added without compression. Then, type > *SparkFSMethod 4 8 > and add a file. It is added with Deflate compression. How did you arrive at the "8" ? I can't see anything in the manual that defines the level of compression like that? > Martin Thanks for the input Martin, I have learned a few things. However it's all a bit of a bother, when I can just click up my second copy with all the stuff ready configured, and actually see and know what's going on. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuRAl-0sjVbs-01-C2S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuRAl-0sjVbs-01-C2S; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:49:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuRAl-0sjVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:49:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuRAl-0006N8-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:49:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD9F26EB9BE; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22267-09; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 250C66EB8EE; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 06:46:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2074A6EBD48 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22156-03 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB7606EB988 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 06:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A23E00021B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:48:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <46614B0C.8040509@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 11:48:44 +0100 From: Phillip Marsden User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> <46613DFC.4020302@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 604 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <46613DFC.4020302@btinternet.com> > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > >>> Although RISC OS only has a basic Java implementation, is a Java based OP >>> a possible viable option for Windows/Linux, Mac, RISC OS? >>> >> The situation with Java is that the RISC OS version is Java 1.1 >> > > You wish! It is far more ancient than that. It is Java 1.0.2. > > >> almost the very first version that came out. The latest Java runtime >> available for download is version 6. The development environment will >> be either 5 or 6. >> > > >> The changes between version 1.1 and version 2 were substantial, most >> applications having to be re-written. >> > > Actually, the changes between Java 1.0.2 and 1.1 were even more > substantial. :-( But that is not really the main problem - if a modern > Java environment for RISC OS provided a substantial benefit such a > thing could be produced. The problem is that it would not be of much > use due to lack of processing power. > > Martin > I stand corrected. My memory served me badly. I have since switched on the RiscPC and checked. It was indeed 1.0.2 which is (as you say) a much earlier version. My Java books tell me the same story, that changes between 1.0.2 and 1.1 were indeed substantial. Version 1.0.2 on any platform must have been the first stab by the Java people and then they had a big rethink. I did not want to bring up the lack of processing power as this would no doubt have lead to a barrage of "you are anti-ARM, anti-RISC OS" messages. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden For quality bespoke acoustic guitars phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuT9O-0Yk000-07-A3p.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuT9O-0Yk000-07-A3p; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:56:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuT9O-0Yk000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:56:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuT9O-0001xU-GD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:56:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BF4A6EC408; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32042-06; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A63826EBFAE; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8F9E6EC408 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31985-01 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E60E6EC6A4 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyo) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HuT8i-0001Ph-05 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:55:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:55:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eeca64c34gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 605 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford > writes > >not much on RISC OS though! I guess the time has now passed for the > >demand for such specialist software for the RISC OS market. > >cheap option I can recommend Quite Imposing and Quite Imposing Plus > >from www.quite.com - it works as a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat and > >offers a > Points up some dilemmas for me - in other words one hundredth of the > time spent on OP writing a plug in for something else might have > produced a more viable product. I'm sure every business has looked at products or services sold by someone else and thought that they should have thought of that. Talking of plug-ins for other products, I noticed recently that Astute Graphics (Nicholas van der Walle, who was also one of the people behind Cerelica Ltd.) has released PhantasmCS, which is a plug-in for Adobe Illustrator to manipulate colours. Some will be familiar with a version that was available many moons ago, to manipulate the colour tables from ArtWorks. www.phantasmcs.com -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuTZ1-29y000-07-9eC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuTZ1-29y000-07-9eC; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:22:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuTZ1-29y000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:22:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuTZ0-0002mx-GZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:22:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A7FA6ECE8A; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01888-03; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C77C6ECE87; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1246D6ECE8A for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01812-04 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp50.hccnet.nl (smtp50.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A70A46EAE20 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rpc3.theestruik by smtp50.hccnet.nl via a80-100-21-102.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id l52DLsd2027687 (8.13.6/2.05); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:21:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:49:13 +0200 (BST) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-System: Risc PC 600, my first Risc PC; rpc1 X-Processor: Intel StrongARM 110 Rev T; 200-ish MHz X-OSversion: RISC OS Adjust 1i2 [4.39] (28 Apr 2004 [Kernel 6.80]) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continuous development of RISC OS X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on virus3-lx50.hccnet.nl X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 606 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johan@waarland.demon.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi David, all of you/us, I hope you all don't mind when I step in here. Just something that could be worth mentioning it... On Fri 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > However it is not uncommon for people to install more than one copy of > an application and then get odd results. Often the fact that the spare > is tucked away in some obscure directory doesn't stop it being booted > (Desktop boot file) and just makes locating the problem harder. Years back I spoke to a Dutch programmer, and he claimed that most software writers doesn't write the !Boot file the proper way, or words like that! :-) It's just the nature of RISC OS that boots everything when a new dir is opened, and which should be taken into account in the !Boot file. For that reason the !Boot file should check if the appdir is already set. If the app pointers are empty/don't exist, it should inhibit any further action on/with the app pointers. So the !Boot file (for 'MyApp') should contain lines like: | > !MyApp.!Boot | If "" = "" Then IconSprites .!Sprites If "" = "" Then Set MyApp$Dir If "" = "" Then Set MyApp$Path . but the !Run file is as usual like: | > !MyApp.!Run | IconSprites .!Sprites Set MyApp$Dir Set MyApp$Path . This way the app pointers do not get reset if a dir is opened the first time (during the current session) and having another copy of '!MyApp' in it, when '!MyApp' is already seen, or even running. App pointers /do/ get reset when the user double clicks on it. Both bahaviours are as the user would expect. Isn't it? If others things are catered for, like not having a wrong/old entry in the 'Desktop Boot file' - as you (Dave) mentioned above - or in 'Boot' etc., then this 'soft' version of the !Boot file is all you need to prevent the problems mentioned. It means, you can locate any other/older version of the app, and investigate the contents of the appdir, wether or not running the app version you want, just before or after that investigation! When I did the same in my own apps, indeed all those problems mentioned in this thread were history, as the expression seems to be! :-) Just see the applications from XAT (), and most likely many others as well? FWIW greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place I'm now at an age where I have to prove that I'm just as good as I never was. - Rex Harrison From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuTrv-341000-04-9LI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuTrv-341000-04-9LI; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:42:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuTrv-341000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:42:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuTru-0007ZH-I4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:42:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A5FA6ED0C6; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03495-07; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DB546ED0FC; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:39:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99E3B6ED092 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03378-06 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guri.is.scarlet.be (guri.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E44D6ED088 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (ip-81-11-189-245.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.189.245]) by guri.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id l52DfO620667 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:41:24 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:41:29 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.06) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 607 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message you wrote: > On Fri 01 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > > However it is not uncommon for people to install more than one copy of > > an application and then get odd results. Often the fact that the spare > > is tucked away in some obscure directory doesn't stop it being booted > > (Desktop boot file) and just makes locating the problem harder. > > Years back I spoke to a Dutch programmer, and he claimed that most > software writers doesn't write the !Boot file the proper way, or words > like that! :-) > It's just the nature of RISC OS that boots everything when a new dir > is opened, ...unless the same application name has already been seen by the Filer. So having two e.g. !bla applications at different places on your disc, only the first seen by the Filer will gets its !Boot executed. The !Boot file of the second !bla application will not get executed by the Filer when seen. > and which should be taken into account in the !Boot file. Not so. > For that reason the !Boot file should check if the appdir is already > set. No. > If the app pointers are empty/don't exist, it should inhibit any > further action on/with the app pointers. > So the !Boot file (for 'MyApp') should contain lines like: > > | > !MyApp.!Boot > | > If "" = "" Then IconSprites .!Sprites > If "" = "" Then Set MyApp$Dir > If "" = "" Then Set MyApp$Path . > > but the !Run file is as usual like: > > | > !MyApp.!Run > | > IconSprites .!Sprites > Set MyApp$Dir > Set MyApp$Path . Absolutely not necessary. Even more I would claim this !Boot is useless and you can remove it because when there is no !Boot file the Filer will automatically do an "IconSprites .!Sprites" which is speed increase when you have losts of applications seen by the Filer and the MyApp$Dir/MyApp$Path definitions just serve no purpose on their own (except poluating the OS system variable space). The !Boot file is typically needed with defining e.g. an Alias* OS system variable and then MyApp$Dir is most probably also needed for that definition. > This way the app pointers do not get reset if a dir is opened > the first time (during the current session) and having another copy > of '!MyApp' in it, when '!MyApp' is already seen, or even running. Again, this is incorrect. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuXvY-2NwGPo-06-DoB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuXvY-2NwGPo-06-DoB; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:02:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuXvY-2NwGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:02:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuXvU-00007N-85 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:02:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 375C16ED247; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01975-10; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A52A86ED1EE; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA2426ED247 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01787-08 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (wmsmtp.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.253]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 768A56ED240 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.roger.red-squirrel.com) ([89.242.28.218]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 02 Jun 2007 18:01:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4eebce211cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <466044FD.1020603@btinternet.com> <46607445.5070208@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 608 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] >=20 >=20 > On the cost side, it is worth noting that Microsoft's new Office 2007 > (Home & Student edition) is available for under =A390 as a complete off= ice > suite, including Word, Excel, Powerpoint etc. No matter what you think = of > Word, it is the new goalpost. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Ray D >=20 >=20 If the goalpost is something that prevents a close shot going into the=20 goal, then I agree. I've just spent some time with a friend who is trying to produce a=20 pamphlet, and as Word cannot do page imposition he has been trying to=20 produce two-column landscape pages with (effective) page 12 and page 1=20 as the two columns on the first page; etc. Mind-blowing stuff. And of course if any changes are made which cause the page/column=20 boundaries to be crossed the whole thing collapses into a jumble. The=20 whole thing collapses if the file is taken to another computer where=20 one of the fonts is not available, is substituted and a page/column=20 boundary changes. Every Risc OS word processor/DTP program: EasiWriter; Impression and=20 OvationPro can produce pamphlets by imposition at printing. A goal is entirely different from hitting the goal-post. Regards Roger --=20 roger@red-squirrel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 2 22:02:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuYWK-13S000-01-DDP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:02:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuYWK-13S000-01-DDP; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuYWK-13S000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuYWK-0007ID-09 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 880746ED5CA; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06951-08; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D06F6ED5BC; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 023FE6ED5CA for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06807-05 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A48CA6ED5C2 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l52IdOCI028779 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:39:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:40:57 +0100 Message-ID: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 609 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain >I've=A0just=A0spent=A0some=A0time=A0with=A0a=A0friend=A0who=A0is=A0try= ing=A0to=A0produce=A0a >pamphlet, and as Word cannot do page imposition he has been trying to > If it's a fairly simple pamphlet/booklet then have a look at fineprint (www.fineprint.com) This looks like a printer that you print to and allows you to generate output with several pages on a single page including a "booklet" mode. Andy Ling= From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:14:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hub0c-3X7knw-04-Aj7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:14:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hub0c-3X7knw-04-Aj7; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:19:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hub0c-3X7knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:19:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hub0W-0002Qg-KT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:19:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B76E6EB8A0; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24385-09; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C92F36EC7F1; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:16:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BA1F6EB8A0 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24150-05 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8476D6EBE62 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuazV-0006AK-66 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:18:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:17:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 610 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes Martin - thanks for the sensible comments. I feel people would be surprised at how little I would achieve in two months. OP is a big complicated program. The way that it consumes programming time has been a problem from the start. Secondly Artworks has a bigger user base than Ovation Pro does. My original comments were about the Windows version of Ovation Pro. Java - a few months back someone pointed out here that there is a Java version of TextEase. It's a very nice thing. Would I go and do a Java version of OP - probably not. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:14:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hub3Z-3fWknw-04-AgA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:14:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hub3Z-3fWknw-04-AgA; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:22:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hub3Z-3fWknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:22:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hub3W-0006I7-7U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:22:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 942756ED338; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24688-04; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C4B6ED57F; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:20:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7881C6ED338 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24577-02 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D26FE6ED324 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hub2l-0004Zr-LJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:21:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:20:44 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 611 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >How did you arrive at the "8" ? I can't see anything in the manual that >defines the level of compression like that? I told it you. Once you start using *commands to control SparkFS then the front end (i.e. the bit that sits on the icon bar) becomes redundant. Or to put it another way the front end does not know that you have changed settings. I suppose all this goes way back. Long ago people didn't have much memory and they wanted to use SparkFS without the front end. I'd go with the solution you are happy with. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:14:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HubCt-47Wknw-08-AWq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:14:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HubCt-47Wknw-08-AWq; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:32:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HubCt-47Wknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:32:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HubCt-0003hj-Gq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:32:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F4636ED5BD; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25482-02; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 981646ED3BA; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54C8F6ED5BD for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25355-07 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 203816ED586 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HubCE-0009pO-6f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:31:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:33:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 612 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > Artworks has a bigger user base than Ovation Pro does. Only my opinion of course - but I don't believe that ArtWorks has a bigger user base than Ovation Pro *could* have. OPro has not been demonstrated at a show for very many years (ever?) whilst ArtWorks is brilliantly demonstrated at every show. I regularly encounter people still using Impression and some using TextEase. Some using EasiWriter find the additional need for a frame based DTP program. There are still new users to find. Even without an "If only ..." it would be possible to obtain new sales in addition to upsales. Whether it's worth it is an entirely different calculation. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:14:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hubtu-23nVbs-04-9pp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:14:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hubtu-23nVbs-04-9pp; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:16:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hubtu-23nVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:16:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hubtu-0001a8-AV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:16:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CED1F6EC83F; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29182-01; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 473FE6EC60C; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:14:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A7F56EC7BE for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29076-06 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 09E026EC75B for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75659 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2007 22:16:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eVyq2kuWk0aV7JoBGcsD+OHpgyr6akAGbx+LqYYnQbr6CoHg3Z9gu98fijSL/kKsTRRmHsTFRjNqv2eJiwqF3hxtq2bAACdslL7elGVia2C2RHb/4qWeXta2ViLbFcqzqPahCyt7e8ruppax1vvHwx7tXB8CwbN3s+fkcTC/0DY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.btopenworld.com) (doug.j.webb@btinternet.com@81.151.49.30 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2007 22:16:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ad8fSasVM1n4YMjq6_MLqdf29cNSwkn_qAND6D_9q3JpRUwqcx6zd3m8B2mG.62w3dtjf5kThg-- Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:15:56 +0100 Message-ID: <13a5d9ec4e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 613 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: >> Artworks has a bigger user base than Ovation Pro does. > Only my opinion of course - but I don't believe that ArtWorks has a bigger > user base than Ovation Pro *could* have. OPro has not been demonstrated at a > show for very many years (ever?) whilst ArtWorks is brilliantly demonstrated > at every show. I regularly encounter people still using Impression and some > using TextEase. Some using EasiWriter find the additional need for a frame > based DTP program. There are still new users to find. > Even without an "If only ..." it would be possible to obtain new sales in > addition to upsales. Whether it's worth it is an entirely different > calculation. Indeed as i parted with a wad of plastic cash to APDL for a copy of OvationPro at Wakefield this year. Up to this date I had only ever used Impression or the older Ovation as my DTP package. I just got to the point where I felt that Impression X wasn't going to happen so why stop someone i the RISCOS world getting the cash. I do use and regularly update Easiwriter but find that a DTP type programme is just easier sometimes to use for cards/leaflets etc. Doug -- Using a Iyonix PC and RISC OS 5.13, the thinking persons alternative operating system to Microsoft Windows. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:16:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuiP4-2jVGPo-01-BrB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:16:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuiP4-2jVGPo-01-BrB; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:13:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuiP4-2jVGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:13:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuiP3-0003jd-Mo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:13:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F65F6EC544; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03838-03; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D1756ECF04; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D359F6EC544 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03753-05 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81EA26EC3A2 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:10:47 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.196.58 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah5FANPpYUZYacQ6UGdsb2JhbACHM4hGAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,377,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="601211539:sNHT15485477" Received: from [88.105.196.58] (port=10071 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HuiON-000Mmu-Kv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:12:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:04:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eecff07fedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 614 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >How did you arrive at the "8" ? I can't see anything in the manual that > >defines the level of compression like that? > I told it you. > Once you start using *commands to control SparkFS then the front end > (i.e. the bit that sits on the icon bar) becomes redundant. Or to put it > another way the front end does not know that you have changed settings. > I suppose all this goes way back. Long ago people didn't have much > memory and they wanted to use SparkFS without the front end. > I'd go with the solution you are happy with. Thanks... I think I'd better stick with the method I use, for while I can see the power and merit of the CLI commands, with my memory problems (brain not computer) I will end up in a mess. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:16:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Hun3z-002knw-07-Fim.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:16:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Hun3z-002knw-07-Fim; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:11:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Hun3z-002knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:11:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hun3z-0007kB-EA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:11:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D266F6ECB39; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24286-03; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 583256ECCE6; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:09:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40CE96ECB39 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24118-08 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A2226ECA69 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 06:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Hun3J-0000nO-Kc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:11:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:10:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eed1b164devan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eecff07fedfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4eecff07fedfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 615 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4eecff07fedfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > I think I'd better stick with the method I use, for while I can see the > power and merit of the CLI commands, with my memory problems (brain not > computer) I will end up in a mess. I see you also use Pluto. I have a box called 'Memos' where I store reminders for stuff like this - the current count is 79 articles. Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 12:34:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuoEZ-1RWVbs-01-EYC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:34:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuoEZ-1RWVbs-01-EYC; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:26:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuoEZ-1RWVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:26:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuoEa-0005TG-1w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:26:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63B206ED157; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30604-02; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBD176ED25A; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AC8D6ED157 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30476-09 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBED86ED154 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuoDu-000EAS-FM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:26:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:24:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 616 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >Only my opinion of course - but I don't believe that ArtWorks has a bigger >user base than Ovation Pro *could* have. OPro has not been demonstrated at a >show for very many years (ever?) whilst ArtWorks is brilliantly demonstrated >at every show. I regularly encounter people still using Impression and some >using TextEase. Some using EasiWriter find the additional need for a frame >based DTP program. There are still new users to find. Go on, if it is a viable business, make me an offer for it. 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 13:26:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Huobx-2rDVbs-05-EAo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:26:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Huobx-2rDVbs-05-EAo; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:51:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Huobx-2rDVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:51:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Huobx-0001GN-3s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:51:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 807006EBE71; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32537-10; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 029796EC216; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 07:48:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE8A06EBE71 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32416-06 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id EC6146EB7CB for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 07:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1482 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2007 21:50:17 +1000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with SMTP; 3 Jun 2007 21:50:17 +1000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: image print memory problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:51:24 +0900 Message-ID: <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 617 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain When asking OP to print a page with a 1.1Mb image on it it comes back with an error message telling me it doesn't have sufficient memory. OP memory is set to 429.57Mb and the desktop display tells me there are 454Mb available. This is on an Iyonix RO v5.13 The only way I seem to be able to resolve it is to reduce the image size to less than 900Kb (they are jpegs) Any ideas on what is the problem and is there a solution? -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 13:36:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HupIT-1LYGPo-03-DUI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:36:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HupIT-1LYGPo-03-DUI; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HupIT-1LYGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HupIT-0001ih-24 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:35:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 232426ECF4D; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03322-07; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E06F6ED0DC; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2C126ECF4D for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03230-05 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E60B6ECE78 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HupHn-000MnC-Ex for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:34:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:33:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: image print memory problem References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 618 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness writes >When asking OP to print a page with a 1.1Mb image on it it comes back >with an error message telling me it doesn't have sufficient memory. >OP memory is set to 429.57Mb and the desktop display tells me there >are 454Mb available. This is on an Iyonix RO v5.13 Have you got the latest version of OP? ISTR there were some bugs in this direction in older versions. 2.77 the latest version for RISC OS is available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip "OP memory is set to 429Mb" ! where do you set that? I can think of a couple of OP memory settings. Of course because there is something to twiddle it has to be set to an appropriate value. Leave some memory for RISC OS in other words. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 17:07:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HuqXE-4ER000-01-CFX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:07:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HuqXE-4ER000-01-CFX; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:54:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HuqXE-4ER000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:54:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HuqXD-0002vG-Ol for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:54:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BCAC6ECE50; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14907-01; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 613896EC3EA; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3B2E6ECBA7 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14778-09 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E6DD86EC96A for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16668 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2007 23:53:34 +1000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with SMTP; 3 Jun 2007 23:53:34 +1000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: image print memory problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 21:54:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.00 (MsgServe/3.32) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 619 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross > McGuinness writes >>When asking OP to print a page with a 1.1Mb image on it it comes back >>with an error message telling me it doesn't have sufficient memory. >>OP memory is set to 429.57Mb and the desktop display tells me there >>are 454Mb available. This is on an Iyonix RO v5.13 > Have you got the latest version of OP? ISTR there were some bugs in this > direction in older versions. 2.77 the latest version for RISC OS is > available from: OP 2.77 2 june 2006 > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > "OP memory is set to 429Mb" ! where do you set that? menu over OP icon bar icon, Application choices, print choices, print memory > I can think of a couple of OP memory settings. Of course because there > is something to twiddle it has to be set to an appropriate value. Leave > some memory for RISC OS in other words. Have set it back to 412Mb leaving RO 100Mb -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 17:27:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HusmF-3TCVbs-06-A0W.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:27:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HusmF-3TCVbs-06-A0W; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:17:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HusmF-3TCVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:17:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HusmE-0002FP-Tf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:17:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 005626EBEEA; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27779-01; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A5D46EB8E3; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BD936EBB84 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27645-02 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB8A06EBAF9 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HuslY-00054D-Az for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:17:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:15:45 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: image print memory problem References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <46cf1eed4e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 620 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , Ross McGuinness writes >OP 2.77 2 june 2006 2.77 19th March is the latest - sorry for not mentioning the date previously. However I don't think there will be any changes to printing between the latest one and yours. >> "OP memory is set to 429Mb" ! where do you set that? >menu over OP icon bar icon, Application choices, print choices, print >memory Right print memory. I think you can set it to a lot less. This is what I feared earlier today - there's no guidance as to a good value. What is a good value depends on how much memory you have. In your case 10MB would be reasonable. >Have set it back to 412Mb leaving RO 100Mb Does printing now work? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 17:27:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HustJ-3n4Vbs-06-9tS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:27:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HustJ-3n4Vbs-06-9tS; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:25:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HustJ-3n4Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:25:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HustI-0003cM-RC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C9C46ECCFA; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28360-08; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4F2E6ECEE3; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1021B6ECCFA for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28283-01 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCB306EC724 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hussd-0005zx-Ah for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:24:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:20:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Imposition signatures? Message-ID: <4eed3cf5b5john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 621 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eecd5ca03john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes > >Only my opinion of course - but I don't believe that ArtWorks has a bigger > >user base than Ovation Pro *could* have. OPro has not been demonstrated at > >a show for very many years (ever?) whilst ArtWorks is brilliantly > >demonstrated at every show. I regularly encounter people still using > >Impression and some using TextEase. Some using EasiWriter find the > >additional need for a frame based DTP program. There are still new users > >to find. > Go on, if it is a viable business, make me an offer for it. A swap? You produce software for me and I'll edit a magazine for you. I'm content if you'll work for the same wages I pay myself. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 3 18:37:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HutxB-2r0GPo-05-8pa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 18:37:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HutxB-2r0GPo-05-8pa; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:33:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HutxB-2r0GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:33:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Hutx7-0007Rz-Mn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:33:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 822D46ED940; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03577-03-6; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEBC86ED9CF; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 930DC6ED940 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03434-05 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 835066ED89E for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:30:36 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.251.165 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMwAHaXYkZYafulUGdsb2JhbACHM4hAAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,378,1175468400"; d="scan'208"; a="601358272:sNHT4788938105" Received: from [88.105.251.165] (port=10141 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hutw8-0006Qm-C4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:32:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:03:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS 1.41 & RO 6 Message-ID: <4eed40e3f4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eed1b164devan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> References: <4eebba7656dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eebc7a113dfs@ukgateway.net> <1d04d5eb4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eebfde2d9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec487de8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eec79c97fdfs@ukgateway.net> <2a7593ec4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4eec98f11cdfs@ukgateway.net> <4eecff07fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4eed1b164devan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 622 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4eed1b164devan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <4eecff07fedfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I think I'd better stick with the method I use, for while I can see the > > power and merit of the CLI commands, with my memory problems (brain not > > computer) I will end up in a mess. > I see you also use Pluto. I have a box called 'Memos' where I store > reminders for stuff like this - the current count is 79 articles. > Evan. Indeedy, I use a box called Reference which contains 114 items, mostly installation/registration Keys for Win PC applications, and even then I often can't find things. Fay is an inveterate list/note maker, and although I've tried that method, I then can't find the notes I've made. Remind me of an SF story where in the future the master index of the indexes of the electronically stored human knowledge is lost... Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 4 23:11:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HvH40-1L5000-04-BIJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:11:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HvH40-1L5000-04-BIJ; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:13:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HvH40-1L5000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:13:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HvH3z-0006JJ-Up for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:13:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE9086EDBD3; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07647-06; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3646D6EDBAE; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C92116EDBD3 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07545-03 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56B656EDB8D for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070604181313.GNHA12936.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:13:13 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([82.31.186.136]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070604181313.XXJT219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:13:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro for Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:13:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Just about the only thing I now absolutely have to do on RISCOS is use OvPro. So today I downloaded the demo version for Windows to see how much like the RISCOS one it feels before taking the plunge and buying a full copy. However when I tried to load one of my documents from RISCOS it appeared to load the first page which appeareed briefly on the screen before an error came up saying 'empty document'. Isd this a 'feature of the demo version or are there some docs from RISCOS that the Windows version won't load? -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 4 23:12:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HvJ75-1r7knw-05-9FE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:12:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HvJ75-1r7knw-05-9FE; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:25:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HvJ75-1r7knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:25:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HvJ72-0006Zo-RB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:25:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70B276EE14A; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26686-06; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC1226EE37A; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 090C16EE14A for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26554-08 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F5196EDDCB for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:22:35 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: 4.7 X-RemoteIP: 212.74.114.11 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMPGX0bUSnILk2dsb2JhbACPfwEBAQEHBggNHw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,373,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="146072" Received: from mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.11]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2007 21:24:15 +0100 Received: from [88.105.128.182] (port=10292 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HvJ6H-000M0o-VD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:24:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:25:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <4eedd1aefddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> References: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 624 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee wrote: > Just about the only thing I now absolutely have to do on RISCOS is use > OvPro. > So today I downloaded the demo version for Windows to see how much > like the RISCOS one it feels before taking the plunge and buying a > full copy. > However when I tried to load one of my documents from RISCOS it > appeared to load the first page which appeareed briefly on the screen > before an error came up saying 'empty document'. > Isd this a 'feature of the demo version or are there some docs from > RISCOS that the Windows version won't load? Ooer! Sorry I don't know the answer to that one, but what I can say is... I quite often transfer RO OvPro files to the Win PC version without any problems, providing... 1) Be careful with the fonts used. 2) Don't forget to put a .dpd suffix on the file name (In RO /dpd Having OvPro on both platforms has bee a boon. :-) Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 4 23:21:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HvKuz-1mnVbs-08-Fxq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:21:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HvKuz-1mnVbs-08-Fxq; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:20:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HvKuz-1mnVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:20:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HvKuy-0001Us-M2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:20:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C1C06EE0FA; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10454-09; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E590A6EDFE5; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37D856EE0FA for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10372-05 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFFDC6EE0D5 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HvKuJ-000GW4-Af for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:20:11 +0000 Message-ID: <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:18:32 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows References: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee writes >However when I tried to load one of my documents from RISCOS it >appeared to load the first page which appeareed briefly on the screen >before an error came up saying 'empty document'. >Isd this a 'feature of the demo version or are there some docs from >RISCOS that the Windows version won't load? Not a feature of the demo version - demo version is the full version but time limited (it starts to load slower after a certain date - 24th June ISTR). So news to me. Just check the size of the file on Windows compared with RISC OS (a bit of a challenge because Windows does not always tell you the real file size). In other words has the file been corrupted in transit. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 5 13:43:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HvRRk-1L2knw-04-9R5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:43:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HvRRk-1L2knw-04-9R5; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:19:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HvRRk-1L2knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:19:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HvRRg-0004wO-G6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:19:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A976C6ED7FE; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21617-02; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 220AE6ED6E3; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:16:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F3B76ED7FE for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21405-07 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35C786ED7FD for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:16:15 -0400 (EDT) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 88.105.160.97 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah5FAMPGX0ZYaaBhUGdsb2JhbACHLohHAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,373,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="180616" Received: from mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.12]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2007 06:20:32 +0100 Received: from [88.105.160.97] (port=10044 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HvRQh-000Dd8-Te for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:18:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:03:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows Message-ID: <4eee069b0ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 626 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes > >However when I tried to load one of my documents from RISCOS it > >appeared to load the first page which appeareed briefly on the screen > >before an error came up saying 'empty document'. > >Isd this a 'feature of the demo version or are there some docs from > >RISCOS that the Windows version won't load? > Not a feature of the demo version - demo version is the full version but > time limited (it starts to load slower after a certain date - 24th June > ISTR). > So news to me. Just check the size of the file on Windows compared with > RISC OS (a bit of a challenge because Windows does not always tell you > the real file size). In other words has the file been corrupted in > transit. So condidering what day it was yesterday, one could say the file was... Sic [in] transit gloria mundi. Hohoho! Cheers Dave S PS: Latin purists please don't... I am aware of the actual phrase and its meaning... Thank you. GD -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 5 13:43:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HvS2c-2I0knw-08-8qD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:43:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HvS2c-2I0knw-08-8qD; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:57:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HvS2c-2I0knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:57:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HvS2Z-0005C1-MN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:57:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08DFD6EDCAB; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24278-05; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 746D16EDC84; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:54:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C34D6EDCAB for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24181-02 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B06836EDBDD for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070605055627.OAZJ12936.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:56:27 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([82.31.186.136]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070605055626.ESWC219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:56:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:54:34 +0100 Message-ID: <474e0bee4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> References: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes >>However when I tried to load one of my documents from RISCOS it >>appeared to load the first page which appeareed briefly on the screen >>before an error came up saying 'empty document'. >>Isd this a 'feature of the demo version or are there some docs from >>RISCOS that the Windows version won't load? > > Not a feature of the demo version - demo version is the full version but > time limited (it starts to load slower after a certain date - 24th June > ISTR). > > So news to me. Just check the size of the file on Windows compared with > RISC OS (a bit of a challenge because Windows does not always tell you > the real file size). In other words has the file been corrupted in > transit. > The two sizes are: RISCOS - 4935352 Bytes PC - 4820 Kb When clicked on in windows it says 'this document uses23 fonts which are not present' etc and on selecting 'temporary replacement' or 'pemanent replacement' the first page flashes up briefly and then the error 'empty input file' appears. It stays on the icon bar and if you select 'maximise' once again the first page only flashes briefly on the screen. I have tried creating a one page document in RISCOS and that transfers to the PC quite happily, unfortunaely it is my magazines that I need to work on, not always new documents. FWIW if I rename the document on the PC and then transfer it back to the Iyonix, and set the type to OvnPro it loads perfectly into RISCOS OvPro so that would seem to suggest that it is not being corrupted in any way. I am away till next Sunday now but will look forward to any suggestions on my return. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 5 14:13:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HvYoN-0zpGPo-04-Aay.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:13:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HvYoN-0zpGPo-04-Aay; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:10:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HvYoN-0zpGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:10:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HvYoN-00024k-Ak for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:10:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71B696EECB4; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05705-04; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0FF46EEC77; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C039D6EEC94 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05587-05 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 908056EEBEF for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HvYnI-000Fy7-9G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:10:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:08:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro for Windows References: <5316cbed4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> <2oYxMSA4+IZGFwue@pilling.demon.co.uk> <474e0bee4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <474e0bee4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 628 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <474e0bee4e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee writes >error 'empty input file' appears. This comes from the JPEG rendering code - clearly different on Windows to RISC OS, where it is built in to the OS. So there is a JPEG image in your document which is raising an error. It might well be that on RISC OS the file is silently ignored. It would be interesting to know what is odd about the JPEG. Yesterday you said the error was "empty document" which triggered my line of thought about a corrupt file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941