From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 1 21:11:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HCjCe-4Yu000-04-BER.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:11:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HCjCe-4Yu000-04-BER; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:10:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HCjCe-4Yu000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:10:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HCjCY-0007QN-E6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:10:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27C7F5D1877 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30941-01 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 345D05D1867 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:07:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E02A55D17DD for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30721-08-3 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 021845D178E for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-109-162.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.109.162] helo=Iyonix.boase) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH boase) (Exim 4.42) id 1HCjAV-0001nd-1S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:08:31 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] D2Font To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Boase X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:08:21 GMT Message-ID: <3c4f83ae4e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> References: <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.boase@bcs.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Is the application D2Font still available? Is it free or chargeable? The link http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/dtf110.zip appears to give only an update, and I cannot find any other mention on the website. -- Bernard Boase From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 2 11:21:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HCjiK-2yvknw-01-Ail.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:21:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HCjiK-2yvknw-01-Ail; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:43:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HCjiK-2yvknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:43:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HCjiF-00034x-74 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:43:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9237C5D1CB7 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04140-03-5 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AA6E5D1CBB for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:40:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDD6D5CE2A8 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03885-04 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A4205D1BFF for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HCjgT-000K0N-DZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:41:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:40:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: D2Font References: <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <3c4f83ae4e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3c4f83ae4e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 193 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <3c4f83ae4e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk>, Bernard Boase writes >Is the application D2Font still available? Is it free or chargeable? It comes on the Trace disc, and on the Scanning Software disc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 5 11:31:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HDtI8-3y5knw-06-Frb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:31:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HDtI8-3y5knw-06-Frb; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:09:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HDtI8-3y5knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:09:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HDtI8-0003TK-Fr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 02:09:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 196B15D7EAE; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09395-03-2; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44F055D7E9F; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:07:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BB455D7D47 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09170-03-3 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 067335D7C16 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-70.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.70]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JCY00F7OWM1M110@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:08:26 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:12:11 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs 1.10 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4eb02aa261lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Does SyncDiscs 1.10 support more than 77 files in a directory? (I note this from the help file: "... Another option allows extra files on the secondary to be copied back. However note that this option may result in the 77 files in a directory limit being breached.") Brian -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 5 11:31:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HDw65-0Rg000-06-D3e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:31:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HDw65-0Rg000-06-D3e; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HDw65-0Rg000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HDw64-0003wz-Ga for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A7FF5D8740; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20469-03; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94C6B5D8758; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:07:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93CE95D874D for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20324-07 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 615915D8465 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HDw5O-0000fX-GI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:08:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:04:17 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 Message-ID: References: <4eb02aa261lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb02aa261lists@ww.co.nz> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 5 Feb, "lists (ww)" wrote: > Does SyncDiscs 1.10 support more than 77 files in a directory? Yes. > (I note this from the help file: "... Another option allows extra > files on the secondary to be copied back. However note that this > option may result in the 77 files in a directory limit being > breached.") This is just in case you are still running 77 files per directory. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 11:52:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEOoh-1K6GPo-07-9ua.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:52:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEOoh-1K6GPo-07-9ua; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:48:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEOoh-1K6GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:48:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEOoh-0001Xk-0G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:48:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAA8D5DB378; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02543-04-2; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63A6E5DB396; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 06:46:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA5555DA61F for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23267-05 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra04.ch.as12513.net (mra04.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.72]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80CCA5DA5F1 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 03:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra04.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5090DC0D51 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:46:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra04.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MRA04.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06199-01-94 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:46:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from min.lexicon (unknown [82.152.235.13]) by mra04.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 68CFEC0664 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:46:38 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:43:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] How about Ovation pro online? Message-ID: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 196 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi Following the recent discussions about OvPro on Linux I would like to suggest that an online version written in Java is probably the way to go. Google Docs does a reasonable job as a simple document processor - spreadsheet's a bit lacking. thinkfree.com is an online copy of MS Office - well done but clunky. Just 2 Easy (www.j2e.com) is an educational online document processor written by the original Textease programers and shows what is possible. Free for individuals at the moment. An OvPro equivalent would be fantastic. Martin Longley -- Lexicon Lifeline - Helping Schools into the Future Tel: 01202 657252 Mobile: 07970 147098 Fax: 01202 657252 PO Box 3394 Wimborne Dorset BH21 3XS Lexicon Lifeline is a member of the ICT Support Network From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 12:32:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEPTy-1ecGPo-06-9FJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:32:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEPTy-1ecGPo-06-9FJ; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:31:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEPTy-1ecGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:31:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEPTu-0006fH-Tz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:31:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 254275DABD7; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13780-08-9; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 709015DAEBC; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:29:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DF815DABD7 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13587-02 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4654C5DABDC for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HEPSl-000DKL-LT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:28:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How about Ovation pro online? References: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk>, Martin Longley writes >Just 2 Easy (www.j2e.com) is an educational online document processor written >by the original Textease programers and shows what is possible. Free for >individuals at the moment. I had a look at the above and thought it was great. I could kick myself for not doing something like this. I had a similar reaction to Textease on RISC OS. OTOH would someone using Windows think there was any gain? There are probably 1000's of web page editors for Windows and they will run faster, better etc. natively on Windows instead of under Java. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 21:21:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HES1I-3X8knw-01-FEV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:21:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HES1I-3X8knw-01-FEV; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:14:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HES1I-3X8knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:14:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HES1C-0001w5-9n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C33135DAFE1; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24522-03; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C6635DB99A; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:07:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F24B75DB936 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24293-05 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net (mra05.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C003E5DB930 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48297C544B for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:07:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra05.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra05.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22157-01-100 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:07:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from min.lexicon (unknown [82.152.235.13]) by mra05.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4634BC5427 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:07:54 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How about Ovation pro online? Message-ID: <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk>, Martin Longley > writes > >Just 2 Easy (www.j2e.com) is an educational online document processor written > >by the original Textease programers and shows what is possible. Free for > >individuals at the moment. > I had a look at the above and thought it was great. I could kick myself > for not doing something like this. I had a similar reaction to Textease > on RISC OS. > OTOH would someone using Windows think there was any gain? There are > probably 1000's of web page editors for Windows and they will run > faster, better etc. natively on Windows instead of under Java. It's the anytime, anywhere idea that will eventually render the operating system irrelevant. If you can access your files wherever you are (given a broadband connection), share them easily with others to contribute or simply view, and most importantly not have to buy or install software, the advantages are obvious. How do the program creators make a living? By charging an annual subscription for hosting and program updates. Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 21:21:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEXCA-043000-02-A3d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:21:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEXCA-043000-02-A3d; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:45:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEXCA-043000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:45:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEXCA-0002Zx-AV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:45:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CA335DC64B; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05585-07; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F8215DC65E; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AC4C5DC64B for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05512-02 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF7755DBFDE for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HEXBS-000NBP-6s for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:44:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Wistling in the wind To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Fred Bambrough X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:42:13 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Like many others, I get a fair amount of spam addressed to message IDs. I can understand that with Usenet posts but not why so many I receive have IDs from messages I've sent to the Messenger Pro mailing list. At first I assumed that Barnet College may have been hacked as most IDs come from that period but I've also started receiving ones with IDs from the period after the list moved. ?? -- Fred From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 21:41:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEXv1-3skknw-08-9Km.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:41:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEXv1-3skknw-08-9Km; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:32:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEXv1-3skknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:32:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEXv0-0006eg-CX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:32:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51F3C5DBCB7; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15897-02; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B04BF5DBCC1; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:30:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B02045DBB14 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15688-06 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81B7A5DBB11 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HEXuI-000P1s-3E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:31:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:30:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Wistling in the wind References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Fred Bambrough writes >Like many others, I get a fair amount of spam addressed to message >IDs. I can understand that with Usenet posts but not why so many I >receive have IDs from messages I've sent to the Messenger Pro mailing >list. At first I assumed that Barnet College may have been hacked as >most IDs come from that period but I've also started receiving ones >with IDs from the period after the list moved. When you say "Messenger Pro" do you mean Ovation Pro? IDs and Spam are something new to me. One suggestion is that the mail list archives are available on the web. They have had email addresses stripped out. Presumably another way message ids escape is the same as email addresses, via any user whose machine has been penetrated by a virus. I'm thinking of the way I get a lot of spam "from" people whose names I am familiar with. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 21:41:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEXvi-1Ft000-05-9K5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:41:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEXvi-1Ft000-05-9K5; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEXvi-1Ft000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEXvh-0002ye-1z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:32:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2751E5DBAF5; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16002-04; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6D7A5DBDC1; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:30:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 582EC5DBCE1 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15899-01-2 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE27A5DBCF1 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HEXuw-000P9S-4f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:31:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:30:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Vista MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 21:41:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEXzP-0lFknw-02-9GO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:41:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEXzP-0lFknw-02-9GO; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:36:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEXzP-0lFknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:36:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEXzO-0006YC-PO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:36:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 029E75DBFEE; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17186-02-2; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE26E5DC3A7; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D19785DBF8A for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16521-01-4 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D1EA5DBE3F for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HEXyC-000Pe0-6Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:35:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:34:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How about Ovation pro online? References: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk>, Martin Longley writes >It's the anytime, anywhere idea that will eventually render the operating >system irrelevant. If you can access your files wherever you are (given a >broadband connection), share them easily with others to contribute or simply >view, and most importantly not have to buy or install software, the advantages >are obvious. How do the program creators make a living? By charging an annual >subscription for hosting and program updates. A USB memory stick with the U3 system would do the job, and the app. would run at full speed ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 6 22:21:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEYe2-3HGVbs-08-8bl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:21:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEYe2-3HGVbs-08-8bl; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:18:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEYe2-3HGVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:18:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEYdx-00071W-Ul for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:18:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69DBA5DC7E5; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26557-03; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F36C45DC82C; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:16:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 557785DC7E5 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26337-10 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 104275DC7D8 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HEYdD-0005Bo-5I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:17:44 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Wistling in the wind To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Fred Bambrough X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:53:53 GMT Message-ID: <67a81ab14e.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Fred Bambrough > writes >>Like many others, I get a fair amount of spam addressed to message >>IDs. I can understand that with Usenet posts but not why so many I >>receive have IDs from messages I've sent to the Messenger Pro mailing >>list. At first I assumed that Barnet College may have been hacked as >>most IDs come from that period but I've also started receiving ones >>with IDs from the period after the list moved. > > When you say "Messenger Pro" do you mean Ovation Pro? Oops, yes. Ovation Pro. Too many Pros. (Should probably join the trend and change to iOvation :-)) > IDs and Spam are something new to me. > > One suggestion is that the mail list archives are available on the web. > They have had email addresses stripped out. > > Presumably another way message ids escape is the same as email > addresses, via any user whose machine has been penetrated by a virus. > I'm thinking of the way I get a lot of spam "from" people whose names I > am familiar with. I wondered about this. What puzzles me is that the Ovation list is the only one that I can identify as a source of IDs. Someone for whom this is their only subscription in common with mine... at least at that time? -- Fred From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 7 12:00:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEhyi-0kQVbs-05-GK7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:00:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEhyi-0kQVbs-05-GK7; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:16:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEhyi-0kQVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:16:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEhyi-0004XL-6n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:16:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 036A45DCBCD; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04781-01-11; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFA1B5DCCF4; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:14:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 732B35DCBA8 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04423-06 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F02F5DCBA4 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-179-114-88.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.114.88]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B85DFE0004BD for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:31:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How about Ovation pro online? Message-ID: <4eb12398e1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 06 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk>, Martin Longley > writes > >It's the anytime, anywhere idea that will eventually render the > >operating system irrelevant. If you can access your files wherever you > >are (given a broadband connection), share them easily with others to > >contribute or simply view, and most importantly not have to buy or > >install software, the advantages are obvious. How do the program > >creators make a living? By charging an annual subscription for hosting > >and program updates. > A USB memory stick with the U3 system would do the job, and the app. > would run at full speed ;-) A new product line, U3 USB sticks with the product ready installed (tied to the memory stick ID of course) -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 7 18:44:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HErct-2tS000-08-FCS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:44:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HErct-2tS000-08-FCS; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:34:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HErct-2tS000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:34:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HErcn-0003x4-3B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:34:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16C545DF132; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07488-03; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AA145DD92B; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01A2D5DEFD4 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07250-03-5 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BB3A5DECF8 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HErbp-0004Pf-4G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:33:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:32:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How about Ovation pro online? References: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <4eb12398e1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4eb12398e1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb12398e1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling writes >A new product line, U3 USB sticks with the product ready installed (tied to >the memory stick ID of course) Good idea. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 7 20:54:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HEtmP-0g1Vbs-07-D2w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:54:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HEtmP-0g1Vbs-07-D2w; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HEtmP-0g1Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HEtmK-0004LQ-42 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:52:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA01C5E04C9; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07427-04; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D4265E04C2; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:50:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EA735E04C9 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07307-04 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B94005E04E3 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-179-114-88.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.114.88]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6C6E0002DC for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:51:32 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:51:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: How about Ovation pro online? Message-ID: <4eb18dcfd2steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4eb0d25266Martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk> <73KCraCdRHyFFwqG@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eb0f56179mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> <4eb12398e1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eb12398e1steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > writes > >A new product line, U3 USB sticks with the product ready installed > >(tied to the memory stick ID of course) > Good idea. I suggested the same thing for VA, they can either do it or not - depends whether they want to make money, after all I'd be interested and I'm sure I'm not alone. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 8 17:04:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFCdR-0sw000-03-BEw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:04:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFCdR-0sw000-03-BEw; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:00:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFCdR-0sw000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:00:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFCcv-0006fk-UH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:00:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A0AE5E1E3B; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31490-03; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0837F5E1E39; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B8945E1DB6 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31284-05-2 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5584D5E1DAE for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HFCZE-0006Ec-Bm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:56:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:56:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eb2070e97frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? No, but ... dammit all, your posting didn't get downloaded here until this afternoon, the 8th, while yesterday evening the Iceni club at Ipswich had an evening with Vista. The presenter's business is Windows support and he provided a view of Vista at different levels of that operating system on two machines; one very high spec shuttle and one low spec laptop. During the evening it was questioned whether Virtual Acorn would run on Vista. That possibility could not be explored because of the nature of software protecion on that emulator. To my shame I did not think Opro, DPlngScan. Otherwise I would have taken my CD with me and ensured un-installation afterwards. If you agree, I will refer him to your site in order for him to at least attempt installation of the time limited version(s?). However, he is not that familiar with software emanating from RISC OS and I doubt if any RISC OS Windows user will get a chance to try things out on that speaker's installation before next month's meeting (7th March). >From his various comments, I would imagine that both Opro and DPlngScan would run OK. Some sort of report will be issued in due course. (8-)> Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.11. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 8 17:24:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFCvX-4dE000-07-Awq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:24:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFCvX-4dE000-07-Awq; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:19:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFCvX-4dE000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:19:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFCvT-0002Xe-4W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A71D25DE191; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04650-03-3; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FFB05E18C8; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:17:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDC535DE191 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04364-04-3 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E5D45E1765 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HFCtM-0003tY-J1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:17:09 +0000 Message-ID: <51libJBin1yFFwLE@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:12:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb2070e97frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb2070e97frank@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb2070e97frank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson writes >If you agree, I will refer him to your site in order for him to at >least attempt installation of the time limited version(s?). Fine with me, but I don't want anyone to go to any trouble. >From his various comments, I would imagine that both Opro and >DPlngScan would run OK. I have one report that OP crashes on Vista. I'll be getting a copy of Vista asap to investigate. However there are so many versions of Vista, and the problem may be nothing to do with Vista anyway, please feel free to try OP and let me know. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 9 11:27:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFOGN-3jq000-02-Gf2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:27:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFOGN-3jq000-02-Gf2; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:25:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFOGN-3jq000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:25:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFOGM-0003JP-HW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:25:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3AF95E3AF2; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07880-01-7; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 663A65E3B04; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:23:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF16B5E3B07 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07790-03 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81FE85E3AFE for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 00:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-84.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.84]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JD600628KDDEV10@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:24:51 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:28:18 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4eb24beea3lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain References: <4eb02aa261lists@ww.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 05 Feb, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 5 Feb, "lists (ww)" wrote: > > Does SyncDiscs 1.10 support more than 77 files in a directory? > Yes. Thanks. I'm having trouble getting to to copy the 70gb contents of HardDisc5 (112gb) to HardDisc4 (114gb) It appears one is not to have anything in the scrap directory first, as what happened was it put tens of copies of '0 scrap' within itself, recursively. !SyncDiscs did: ADFS::HardDisc4.$.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap etc and no copy of HardDisc5 was done. So, I configured it with /no/ scrap dir, and of the options only 'overwrite newer files on secondary' is ticked. I went away while it did its work and returned an hour or so to no SyncDiscs d/box on the screen and the copying was partial (6gb of 70).The log was 'in use'. This is not what I expected. How have you who use it as a backup configured it? Brian -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 9 11:28:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFScz-1EjVbs-08-CIQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:28:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFScz-1EjVbs-08-CIQ; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFScz-1EjVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:05:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFScw-0001d3-Eg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:05:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4DC25E3C5C; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23111-04; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D4D65E39A8; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:03:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2507B5E3C96 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22914-05 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81A415E3C84 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 05:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HFScA-0001Yg-So for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:04:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:02:12 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 Message-ID: <6e0265b24e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4eb02aa261lists@ww.co.nz> <4eb24beea3lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb24beea3lists@ww.co.nz> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 9 Feb, "lists (ww)" wrote: > I'm having trouble getting to to copy the 70gb contents of HardDisc5 > (112gb) to HardDisc4 (114gb) >=20 > It appears one is not to have anything in the scrap directory first, > as what happened was it put tens of copies of '0 scrap' within itself, > recursively. !SyncDiscs did: ADFS::HardDisc4.$.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 > scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 > scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 > scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap.0 scrap etc=20 > and no copy of HardDisc5 was done. >=20 > So, I configured it with /no/ scrap dir, and of the options only > 'overwrite newer files on secondary' is ticked. I went away while it > did its work and returned an hour or so to no SyncDiscs d/box on the > screen and the copying was partial (6gb of 70).The log was 'in use'. > This is not what I expected.=20 >=20 > How have you who use it as a backup configured it? For whatever it is worth, I have been having the much the same problem with SyncDisc for a year or two. I have not cleared out Scrap but I have an obey file to close down many running applications including all archivers and, now, CDROMFS. It just stops somewhere in the middle for no discernible reason in the log. This is on an Iyonix with ROS 5.12. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 9 11:28:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFTeG-3kEknw-06-BH9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:28:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFTeG-3kEknw-06-BH9; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:10:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFTeG-3kEknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:10:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFTeG-0002hh-3w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:10:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DFDE5E390D; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04210-03; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C03C55E36FF; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:08:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAB495E390D for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04106-05 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9117F5E3584 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc.tasc.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HFTdE-0001MN-6M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:09:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:08:55 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.26S) (RISC-OS/4.39) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 211 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? > > > I use OP under RiscOS but following this query, I downloaded the web version and tried it under Vista-RC1 (effectively an early version of Ultimate) and XP Home SP2. From what I can see so far, the results under Vista are compatible with those under RiscOS and XP. By this I mean that the output under Vista looks the same as under XP even though it is not always the same as that for that document under RiscOS. I suspect that this is caused by font differences causing different text flow arrangemenst and will check further. OPW installs just as easily under Vista as it does under XP. David has expressed concern over which version of Vista to buy. Home Basic is not sensible for a developer as you will not see the "Aero" screen that customers with higher priced versions will see. Home Premium gives the "Aero" screen and the Media Center [sic] function. The great advantage of Ultimate for a developer is that it is the only version that you are allowed to use in a virtual environment. Unlike previous versions of Windows, the distribution media contains the code for every version. The product key determines which features are unlocked. If you buy "Home Premium" and decide you want to upgrade, you can buy an upgrade key, reinsert your DVD and install the additional features. I haven't seen prices quoted for this yet. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 9 12:07:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFUUz-205000-03-AQQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:07:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFUUz-205000-03-AQQ; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:05:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFUUz-205000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:05:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFUUw-0000ir-M6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:05:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E3705E236E; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14297-07; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B0005E24E7; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 526B05E1918 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14029-05 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 194735E0ADA for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HFUU2-000FUz-5L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:04:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:58:41 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 References: <4eb02aa261lists@ww.co.nz> <4eb24beea3lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb24beea3lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb24beea3lists@ww.co.nz>, "lists (ww)" writes >It appears one is not to have anything in the scrap directory first, Presumably this is the SyncDiscs scrap directory? I would say that the scrap folder must not be on the primary or secondary path. Probably this is a programmers point of view but if you sync harddisc5 to harddisc4 and put the scrap folder for harddisc4 on harddisc4 you're asking for something which is not logically possible. Asking sync discs to do such a task will end in tears - it will crash or go on until it runs out of memory or the disc fills up. There are ways around this. (1) Sync disc5 to disc4 and put the scrap folder on disc6 (which is how I originally used the program). (2) Later versions of SyncDiscs let you set up paths to ignore. So set up the path to the scrap directory as a path to ignore. (3) Only sync stuff which does not involve the scrap path. e.g. Sync disc5 to a folder called disc4.backup and have the scrap directory as a folder called disc4.scrap The third option is probably the clearest. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 9 17:07:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFZ5y-15WGPo-01-ELx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:07:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFZ5y-15WGPo-01-ELx; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFZ5y-15WGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFZ5u-0005EG-NR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E68A05E1492; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25293-03-11; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7283C5E13FF; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 601B55E3C11 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25085-04-2 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EA325E3A15 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0563E000781 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista From: Phillip Marsden To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:58:26 +0000 Message-Id: <1171040306.5298.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? No, but I have run Ovation Pro under Windows XP which itself is running as a virtual OS courtesy of VMWare Server, running under Linux. :o) -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. Bespoke acoustic guitars. Contact phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 10 18:57:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFxMt-1kfVbs-07-Fea.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:57:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFxMt-1kfVbs-07-Fea; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFxMt-1kfVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFxMt-0001Wn-3Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB9E05E787E; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16964-07-2; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44DC35E5E6B; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:52:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 158CF5E77C9 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16692-03 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FA965E755D for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HFxM7-000GmO-Is for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:53:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:52:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Impression and DDF filters updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've fixed a couple of problems with the DDF and Impression filters. The RISC OS versions are at: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/ddf.zip http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transimp.zip and the Windows version at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallFilter.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 10 20:07:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFyRT-0fBGPo-02-Ea0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:07:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFyRT-0fBGPo-02-Ea0; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:03:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFyRT-0fBGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:03:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFyRT-0004o9-0Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:03:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC0D5E40CA; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30837-06; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31ABB5E4E5F; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:01:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 268925E40CA for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30678-01 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB7195E1349 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EC676C400089 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:02:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from Phoebe (user-5447f97b.wfd94.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.249.123]) by mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A632AC400088 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:02:42 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070210200242680.A632AC400088@mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:02:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression and DDF filters updated Message-ID: <4eb31fcf83freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've fixed a couple of problems with the DDF and Impression filters. > The RISC OS versions are at: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transimp.zip That still says minorversion:5 in the !Info file. -- ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! From tim@powys.org Sat Feb 10 21:07:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFzIs-2EM000-04-Dib.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:07:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFzIs-2EM000-04-Dib; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFzIs-2EM000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFzIs-0001dt-4t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HFzIr-000093-GH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:58:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:56:09 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Impression and DDF filters updated Message-ID: <20b724b34e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In message from David Pilling of 10 Feb you wrote: > Hi, > > I've fixed a couple of problems with the DDF and Impression filters. > > The RISC OS versions are at: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/ddf.zip > > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transimp.zip > > and the Windows version at: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallFilter.exe Many thanks for the continued support. As usual I would cheerfully offer to subscribe some sort of maintenance fee. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 10 21:27:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HFzdv-4b3000-01-DNY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:27:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HFzdv-4b3000-01-DNY; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:20:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HFzdv-4b3000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:20:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HFzdv-0002mz-94 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:20:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE2325E87B8; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10403-05-3; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 277655E87F3; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C15745E879E for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10095-01 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A5A75E8785 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HFzdC-000H5J-Fk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:19:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:18:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression and DDF filters updated References: <4eb31fcf83freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eb31fcf83freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb31fcf83freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk>, Mark Fraser writes >In article , >> I've fixed a couple of problems with the DDF and Impression filters. >> The RISC OS versions are at: >> http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/filelib/files/transimp.zip >That still says minorversion:5 in the !Info file. Thanks. I will fix it. I knew the version number must be somewhere, just couldn't think where. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 12 11:35:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HGNbe-1mZGPo-01-EzN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:35:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HGNbe-1mZGPo-01-EzN; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:55:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HGNbe-1mZGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:55:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HGNba-00006u-Ux for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:55:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9F135EC846; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15589-01-3; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B627F5EC848; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:53:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8FA85EC6D0 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15291-03-3 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D61735EC645 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-104.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.104]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JDB00LQMMB4ET00@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:54:40 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:58:29 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Insert Filename To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Is the applet !Filename available anywhere? has a way of adding to the Merge tags to insert the filename, but I'd like a way to insert the current filename in the document, as one does ATM for current time/date. Thanks Brian -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND www.adam.co.nz From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 11:45:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHEwo-30b000-01-CnJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:45:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHEwo-30b000-01-CnJ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:53:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHEwo-30b000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:53:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHEwn-0007ER-Ji for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:53:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35D585FA67E; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26965-01-3; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15F525FA754; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BD045F5436 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26812-07 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 279045F48C5 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 02:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 14 Feb 2007 07:52:15 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKpO0kXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACOYwEBBw4HBR6SXAEBAQ Received: from 88-105-145-194.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.145.194]:10285 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HHEw3-0004x3-Lp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:52:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:52:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? Yes! Vista Home Basic on a Laptop. Intel Core Duo processor Ovation Pro and associated bits run okay. DPScan (1.24 8th Jan 2007) Produces an error message when first run. "The specified colour management module is invalid. (SelectCMM) (2010)" If I [OK] past that, DPScan continues and works. I've been to MenuBar-Misc-Colour Management and switched it Off. That obviously put a stop to the error message. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 12:03:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHIiR-2hy000-02-91g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:03:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHIiR-2hy000-02-91g; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:54:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHIiR-2hy000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:54:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHIiR-0007jt-Aa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:54:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B23E65FA2B1; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04502-08; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 463985FA351; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:52:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 022995FA2B1 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04417-03 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFB6E5F9E23 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HHIhj-0000SN-HV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:53:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:52:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Vista Home Basic on a Laptop. Intel Core Duo processor >Ovation Pro and associated bits run okay. Many thanks. >DPScan (1.24 8th Jan 2007) Produces an error message when first run. >"The specified colour management module is invalid. >(SelectCMM) (2010)" >If I [OK] past that, DPScan continues and works. In that version you can pick which CMM to use. At least LCMS should work. Never mind I'll look into it soon. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 17:33:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHLYv-0VS000-04-Ehi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:33:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHLYv-0VS000-04-Ehi; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:56:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHLYv-0VS000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:56:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHLYl-0001Ij-8H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:56:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 319B05FA9F1; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06552-02; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD1B25FAA2C; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 684645FA933 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06361-02 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14DA55FA6F7 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070214145530.RZMO2951.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:55:30 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070214145529.HQQ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:55:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C75048.24F9B340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C75048.24F9B340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, David, In Ovation Pro, an embedded frame is rendered with its bottom edge on = the text baseline (see Manual p105) but I see that an embedded = [horizontal] line is rendered with its bottom edge half its thickness = above the text baseline. In other respects - e.g. the repositioning of = the baseline to accommodate the embedded line - the embedded line is = treated as if it sat directly on the baseline. A thick line embedded in = a line near the top of a frame may thus extend above the top of a frame. = Is this intentional? Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C75048.24F9B340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, David,
 
In Ovation Pro, an embedded frame = is rendered=20 with its bottom edge on the text baseline (see Manual p105) but I = see that=20 an embedded [horizontal] line is rendered with its bottom = edge=20 half its thickness above the text baseline.  In other respects = - e.g.=20 the repositioning of the baseline to accommodate the embedded line = - the=20 embedded line is treated as if it sat directly on the = baseline.  A=20 thick line embedded in a line near the top of a frame may thus extend = above the=20 top of a frame.  Is this intentional?
 
Regards
John Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C75048.24F9B340-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 17:53:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHOFJ-1uD000-06-C1K.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:53:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHOFJ-1uD000-06-C1K; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:48:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHOFJ-1uD000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:48:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHOF5-0005ul-Ht for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:48:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98E695FB688; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32114-03; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DE8D5FB7E2; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FB565FAF71 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31900-01 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 867155FAF9C for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HHODt-000AzO-3W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:45:49 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan=20 writes >In Ovation Pro, an embedded frame is=A0rendered with=A0its bottom edge on = the >text baseline (see Manual p105) but I see that an=A0embedded [horizontal] = line is=A0 >rendered with=A0its bottom edge half=A0its thickness above the text baseli= ne.=A0 In >other respects - e.g. the repositioning of the baseline to accommodate the >embedded line -=A0the embedded line is treated as if it sat directly on=A0= the >baseline.=A0 A thick line embedded in a line near the top of a frame may t= hus >extend above the top of a frame.=A0 Is this intentional? No. 8-) There are a lot of unintended things, it is possible to devise many=20 situations. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 19:03:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHPNc-1nsknw-05-At1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:03:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHPNc-1nsknw-05-At1; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:01:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHPNc-1nsknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:01:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHPNV-0006qC-Ps for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:01:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C18F55FAD98; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24704-01; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5352C5F79F7; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B050A5FAA0D for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24535-02 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB45E5F9E70 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.162.112.233] (helo=mpc.mpc1.fish.co.uk) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HHPMD-0006rZ-JC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:00:14 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: M P Churchill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:56:48 GMT Message-ID: <132229b54e.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 222 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mpc1@fish.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? > OvPro seems to be OK on Vista Home Premium 32 bit - but some other things were not, so I haven't used it properly on Vista and I'm back to XP when I need a PC. -- Malcolm From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 21:53:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHS2D-21T000-01-Gkw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:53:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHS2D-21T000-01-Gkw; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:51:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHS2D-21T000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:51:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHS29-000415-7e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:51:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 859225FBC3E; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27591-01-4; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EB5E5FBF31; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74E8D5FBE81 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26867-01 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BCC75FBEB1 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.251) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 45D1605700046218 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:50:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:46:36 +0100 Message-ID: <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> "lists (ww)" wrote: > Is the applet !Filename available anywhere? I would be surprised as it dates from Oct 1996. It adds "Insert filename" to the Applets menu and works with OP version 2.77. I fear it does not work with OPi > > has a way of adding to > the Merge tags to insert the filename, but I'd like a way to insert > the current filename in the document, as one does ATM for current > time/date. Insert filename is mentioned in Appendix E to the manual. Alas, it is missing in the Index. You can also find it if you open the Macros menu and then select "Key". True for OP and OPi. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 14 22:23:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHSOL-41B000-03-GOo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:23:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHSOL-41B000-03-GOo; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:14:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHSOL-41B000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:14:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHSOH-0002KJ-Pf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:14:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E4DF5FC27C; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10272-01-4; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27A205FC2E5; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4E055F40C2 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09648-01-9 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from cht-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [83.146.21.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E49695FC252 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cht-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1011) id C16C14E616D; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tom160gb (host-84-9-196-169.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.196.169]) by cht-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF084E603D for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:12:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb> From: "Tom at Bulldog" To: References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:13:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C75085.57650860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000713-4, 14/02/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@bulldoghome.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C75085.57650860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps not strictly on-topic, but here's a handy Windows hint for = inserting a filename: Click (select) the file. Press F2 (rename) Press Ctrl+ C (copy to clipboard) Now go into the document and press Ctrl+V (paste) HTH TomH ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JMAH van Vredenburch=20 To: davidpilling@freelists.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename In message <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> "lists (ww)" wrote: > Is the applet !Filename available anywhere? I would be surprised as it dates from Oct 1996. It adds "Insert=20 filename" to the Applets menu and works with OP version 2.77. I fear it does not work with OPi >=20 > has a way of adding to > the Merge tags to insert the filename, but I'd like a way to insert > the current filename in the document, as one does ATM for current > time/date. Insert filename is mentioned in Appendix E to the manual. Alas, it is=20 missing in the Index. You can also find it if you open the Macros menu and then select=20 "Key". True for OP and OPi. --=20 Greetings, JohnvV --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release Date: = 2/14/2007 16:17 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C75085.57650860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perhaps not strictly on-topic, but = here's a=20 handy Windows hint for inserting a filename:
Click (select) the file.
Press F2 (rename)
Press Ctrl+ C (copy to = clipboard)
Now go into the document and press = Ctrl+V=20 (paste)
HTH
TomH
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JMAH=20 van Vredenburch
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, = 2007 9:46=20 PM
Subject: [softwarelist] Re: = Insert=20 Filename

In message <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz>=
     =20 "lists (ww)" <lists@ww.co.nz>=20 wrote:

> Is the applet !Filename available = anywhere?

I would=20 be surprised as it dates from Oct 1996. It adds "Insert
filename" = to the=20 Applets menu and works with OP version 2.77.
 I fear it does = not work=20 with OPi
>
> <www.bulldog.u= -net.com/ovationpro/hints.html>=20 has a way of adding to
> the Merge tags to insert the filename, = but I'd=20 like a way to insert
> the current filename in the document, as = one does=20 ATM for current
> time/date.

Insert filename is mentioned = in=20 Appendix E to the manual. Alas, it is
missing in the = Index.

You can=20 also find it if you open the Macros menu and then select
"Key". = True for=20 OP and OPi.


--
Greetings,
JohnvV



-- =
No=20 virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free=20 Edition.
Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/687 - Release = Date:=20 2/14/2007 16:17
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C75085.57650860-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 15 17:06:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHSfY-0qQknw-07-G7b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:06:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHSfY-0qQknw-07-G7b; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:32:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHSfY-0qQknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:32:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHSfR-0007AZ-NF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:32:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7C75FB955; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18839-02; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2551A5FBB4F; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:30:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:29:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC1DB5FB955 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18624-10 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD2625FA89E for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HHSeP-000Dgu-Fh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:30:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:30:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb> In-Reply-To: <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb>, Tom at Bulldog=20 writes >Perhaps not strictly on-topic, but here's=A0a handy Windows hint for inser= ting a >filename: I think the original poster wanted a file name that auto updated. If you=20 just want to insert the current file name: Insert+Control =3D filename Insert+Shift =3D full path ALT+Drag and drop an object into text inserts the full path ISTR the Windows Power Toys offer a copy filename/path to clipboard. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 15 17:06:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHTjj-1LDVbs-02-F3Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:06:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHTjj-1LDVbs-02-F3Q; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:40:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHTjj-1LDVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:40:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHTjj-0006Nb-2e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:40:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B9A85F68DF; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14935-05; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D2575F9857; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:38:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0757D5FC22B for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14747-10 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B72FA5FC218 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-5.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.5]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JDH00BO18EASP20@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:39:47 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:40:43 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename In-reply-to: <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 226 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 14 Feb, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> > "lists (ww)" wrote: > > Is the applet !Filename available anywhere? > I would be surprised as it dates from Oct 1996. It adds "Insert > filename" to the Applets menu and works with OP version 2.77. > I fear it does not work with OPi I have OP 2.77. Is OPi the Windows version? > You can also find it if you open the Macros menu and then select > "Key". True for OP and OPi. Partly useful, thanks for that: Ctrl-Insert inserts filename Shift-Insert inserts filename, not file path Ctrl-Shift-Insert crashes OP 2.77 (no stack for trap handler) I'll stick to filename, then ;) Brian RO 5.11 -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 15 17:26:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHkHt-42a000-04-FYI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:26:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHkHt-42a000-04-FYI; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:20:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHkHt-42a000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:20:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHkHm-0003BF-K5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:20:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FE075FAC4B; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09317-03-5; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9186C5FD69D; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:18:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCBF75FA11A for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01279-01 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx3.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer2.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89F9B5F8883 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx3.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HHbP9-0003xn-Lh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:51:47 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx3.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HHbP9-0003x5-C1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:51:47 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:52:34 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx3.orcon.net.nz on Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:51:47 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Feb 15 20:51:47 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6662 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 201 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 227 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello everyone, Would it be possible for SparkFS to handle RAR archives, and does anyone other than me want this? (hope so!) regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 15 17:56:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHkmH-2qNknw-03-F3u.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:56:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHkmH-2qNknw-03-F3u; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:52:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHkmH-2qNknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:52:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHkmH-0006k1-1S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:52:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 428A45FDA4D; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16511-01; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C696C5FDA82; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:50:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03A2D5FDA35 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16275-05 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C983C5FDA37 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HHklZ-000OE5-66 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:50:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz>, "lists (ww)" writes >Ctrl-Insert inserts filename >Shift-Insert inserts filename, not file path >Ctrl-Shift-Insert crashes OP 2.77 (no stack for trap handler) >I'll stick to filename, then ;) If the document has not been saved the path is the same as the filename. Ctrl+Shift+Insert does not crash for me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 15 18:56:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHlgO-40iVbs-05-E9n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHlgO-40iVbs-05-E9n; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:50:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHlgO-40iVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:50:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHlgM-0001PA-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:50:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F4DA5FD39E; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27883-03; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90BC95FD2E7; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38D035FE545 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27660-02 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 207675FE54C for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.176) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 45C8913E0016DDF0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:49:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:39:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb>, Tom at Bulldog > writes >>Perhaps not strictly on-topic, but here's=A0a handy Windows hint for in= serting a >>filename: >=20 > I think the original poster wanted a file name that auto updated. Any chance of having that? Reason I ask is that at times one needs to test a document (with=20 changed name) with a different layout or styles and having the=20 original document opened as well for reference. A (prolonged)=20 disturbance and one is not sure anymore which window belongs to which=20 document. Possibly deleting an unsaved change. SC_Insert could then be used (eventually replacing the filename=20 having used S_Insert to have the filepath as well; SC_Insert does not=20 crash with me either). E.g.: pamphlet printing needs a different font size than A4 printing.=20 Some documents need printing in both fornmats, official use (filing=20 systems based on A4 format) and private use (handheld format). Just an idea, no immediate response expected ;-) --=20 Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 16 11:55:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHoke-07KVbs-07-B5X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:55:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHoke-07KVbs-07-B5X; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:06:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHoke-07KVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:06:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHoka-0002tZ-9j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:06:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE9515FD8B2; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31036-02; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48B0F5FD2A2; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:04:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BF455FDA41 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30879-08 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C88F55FD7B0 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HHojp-000859-Ef for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:04:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <003201c75085$57aa4ec0$a9c40954@tom160gb> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, In message , JMAH van Vredenburch writes >> I think the original poster wanted a file name that auto updated. >Any chance of having that? Not at the moment. It might have interesting consequences - document formatting changing after a document is saved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 16 11:55:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HHpFO-2l6Vbs-07-Aan.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:55:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HHpFO-2l6Vbs-07-Aan; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:38:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HHpFO-2l6Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:38:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HHpFM-0004Fa-0E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:38:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11D205FE368; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02179-01; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93F355FA23B; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:36:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 507DA5FE232 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02095-06 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04FA65FDC59 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-5.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.5]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JDJ004OI0743410@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:37:52 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:32:54 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4eb5c0c09elists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 231 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 16 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > If the document has not been saved the path is the same as the > filename. Sorry, I see that now.. > Ctrl+Shift+Insert does not crash for me. Still does for me. I have started using Reporter, if the log helps I can attach it. Brian From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 16 12:05:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HI1oZ-35nVbs-01-F4e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:05:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HI1oZ-35nVbs-01-F4e; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:03:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HI1oZ-35nVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:03:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HI1oY-00079g-1J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:03:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62F855FEBC5; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20081-09; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 923D75FEB60; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:01:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5A6C5FFC34 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19699-02 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A76F85FFC2B for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HI1mo-000NwX-KX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:02:10 +0000 Message-ID: <7pKisSABzZ1FFwzQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:00:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz> <4eb5c0c09elists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb5c0c09elists@ww.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb5c0c09elists@ww.co.nz>, "lists (ww)" writes >> Ctrl+Shift+Insert does not crash for me. >Still does for me. I have started using Reporter, if the log helps >I can attach it. What is Ctrl+Shift is supposed to do - perhaps I should look in the manual, I just wonder if an applet or a macro is using the key press, and that is what is crashing - also explains why it crashes for you and not for others. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 16 16:15:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HI5cN-17Z000-06-BGq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:15:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HI5cN-17Z000-06-BGq; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:07:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HI5cN-17Z000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:07:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HI5cM-0003rm-8r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:07:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F858600270; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24860-07; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E63585FB9C5; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A3C9600270 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24741-06 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C3DD6001FC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HI5Z2-000KOJ-7G for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:04:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:02:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <132229b54e.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <132229b54e.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 233 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >In message > David Pilling wrote: >> Has anyone any experience of running my Windows software on Vista? I've now got Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit installed, and I can confirm Ovation Pro works on it. Ovation Pro actually looks quite good with the new interface - considering I have made no changes to Ovation Pro for Vista. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 17 18:28:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HIPK7-3G4knw-02-8c8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:28:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HIPK7-3G4knw-02-8c8; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:09:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HIPK7-3G4knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:09:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HIPK6-0003hl-O8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:09:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 527D25FFB32; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20157-04; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB0D35FFBC8; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B63205FFB32 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20077-06 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AF7D5FFAE0 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2007 13:09:12 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMKM1kXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACOcwEBBw4HBR6SXwEBAQ Received: from 88-105-132-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.132.229]:11158 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HIPJP-0008jx-NW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:09:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 234 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 14 Feb, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > Ovation Pro and associated bits run okay. However, I am having a problem. In XP I know where OvPro is Saving Macros and the default document, but in Vista I have absolutely no idea where they are being put, and even Searching doesn't reveal the location. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 17 19:13:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HIUrE-0jtGPo-03-BbX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:13:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HIUrE-0jtGPo-03-BbX; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:04:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HIUrE-0jtGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:04:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HIUrB-0005wK-Mw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:04:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A44D5FF968; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30785-07; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA06C6014A6; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:02:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96FE85FF968 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30674-01 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47A345FF2F0 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HIUqM-000H1c-7F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:03:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:02:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 235 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >In XP I know where OvPro is Saving Macros and the default document, but in >Vista I have absolutely no idea where they are being put, and even >Searching doesn't reveal the location. C:\Users\David Pilling\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro Replace the first "David Pilling" with your user name. I only found this by using search (looking for !Choices.csc). I presume the usual catches apply, you have to be able to search for system/hidden files and you have to be able to see them. In my brief experience I've found Vista to be OK. Installation was very easy. They're probably the nicest windows (small w) yet. However a window is a window. They look nicer than Gem (circa 1987) do they let me do anything more though. With XP I always changed back to classic view before the desktop equivalent of "snow blindness" set in. I think I can live with the default settings in Vista. Windows seems to work in a slightly different way. I think that may be one reason why installation has to be so easy. Users are going to have to relearn some stuff. It would be interesting to know if some human computer interface researchers have proved that dropping "My Computer" from the backdrop and sticking it on the start menu (to pick one trivial example) is better. They could try dropping the QWERTY keyboard in the next version - it'd be a change for everyone and be more logical. At least the animated dog didn't appear when I used search. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 17 20:53:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HIWWX-2g5000-02-9wE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:53:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HIWWX-2g5000-02-9wE; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:51:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HIWWX-2g5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:51:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HIWWX-0002pE-7d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:51:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C32A8601A56; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09884-10; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58943601AD1; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E65DD601A56 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09761-07 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A05F8601913 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-103.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.103]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JDM0010YKK50220@smtp3.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:50:29 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:33:46 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Insert Filename In-reply-to: <7pKisSABzZ1FFwzQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4eb6bd84b3lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain References: <4eb3b3c046lists@ww.co.nz> <9cad38b54e.janvred@smile.ch> <4eb5432043lists@ww.co.nz> <4eb5c0c09elists@ww.co.nz> <7pKisSABzZ1FFwzQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 236 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 17 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > What is Ctrl+Shift is supposed to do - perhaps I should look in the > manual, I just wonder if an applet or a macro is using the key > press, and that is what is crashing - also explains why it crashes > for you and not for others. In Macros=>keys there was no macro for Ctrl+Shift+Insert, and I don't know if it had one in any other place, so I invented a macro for it (filepath) and now Ctrl+Shift+Insert functions rather than crashes. Brian -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 18 11:48:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HIjQw-1nWVbs-01-E4r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:48:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HIjQw-1nWVbs-01-E4r; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:38:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HIjQw-1nWVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:38:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HIjQw-0006Jc-2U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:38:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A19EF601CF6; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23098-06; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25E43602954; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7099D602653 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22990-05 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16A376024F0 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2007 10:37:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAN6610XUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACOcgEBAQEHDgcFHpJEAQEB Received: from 88-105-171-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.171.84]:10043 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HIjQE-000L3B-8L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:37:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:37:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >In XP I know where OvPro is Saving Macros and the default document, but > >in Vista I have absolutely no idea where they are being put, and even > >Searching doesn't reveal the location. > C:\Users\David Pilling\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro > Replace the first "David Pilling" with your user name. Thanks for that, I'd searched and searched, though I did use this supposedly new and magnificent Search facility MS have incorporated into the OS, it only found the ones inside the OVPro install directory. > I only found this by using search (looking for !Choices.csc). I presume > the usual catches apply, you have to be able to search for system/hidden > files and you have to be able to see them. One of my first jobs with a new install/computer is turn on hidden and Sys files. > In my brief experience I've found Vista to be OK. Installation was very > easy. > They're probably the nicest windows (small w) yet. However a window is a > window. They look nicer than Gem (circa 1987) do they let me do anything > more though. With XP I always changed back to classic view before the > desktop equivalent of "snow blindness" set in. I think I can live with > the default settings in Vista. I'm always returning things to classic view, particularly Control Panel etc. > Windows seems to work in a slightly different way. I think that may be > one reason why installation has to be so easy. Users are going to have > to relearn some stuff. I think, if you are just a Joe Bloggs User, and don't know, care, have any interest in what goes on behind the pretty front, Vista is going to be the thing. Me... I want to know where things hang out, where they get put, I like to mess with my Toys... Unfortunately they've messed a lot with the UI on Vista, and "Fings ain't where they used ter be." So I am having to do some re-learning. My really, really big urine off with Vista is the number of directories that I can't access/open even look in, and I only own the computer and am the administrator, I really would be interested in how I can get rid of all that MS Nanny stuff and have all of my computer returned to ME. > It would be interesting to know if some human computer interface > researchers have proved that dropping "My Computer" from the backdrop > and sticking it on the start menu (to pick one trivial example) is > better. After many years of using MS Software, I've come to the conclusion there is very little customer driven rational thinking done by the MS UI designers. Style over substance comes to mind, and doubly so with Vista. Doesn't matter if it works badly, as long as it looks pretty. > They could try dropping the QWERTY keyboard in the next version - it'd > be a change for everyone and be more logical. > At least the animated dog didn't appear when I used search. Hehehehe! good one. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 18 13:17:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HIllm-42G000-02-Bk1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:17:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HIllm-42G000-02-Bk1; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:07:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HIllm-42G000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:07:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HIlle-0002gF-3H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:07:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CB14602911; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01935-03; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80FB1602DF4; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DF11602911 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01661-06 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4734D601C0D for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HIlj8-000K22-2z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:05:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:05:26 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: [snip a lot of useful ideas/comments] > >I think, if you are just a Joe Bloggs User, and don't know, care, have any >interest in what goes on behind the pretty front, Vista is going to be the >thing. That's me but...see below [snip more] > >> It would be interesting to know if some human computer interface >> researchers have proved that dropping "My Computer" from the backdrop >> and sticking it on the start menu (to pick one trivial example) is >> better. @course they haven't.....they might do themselve s out of work....like the young twerps who keep changing and "electronickising" the national curriculum guidlines..... > >After many years of using MS Software, I've come to the conclusion there >is very little customer driven rational thinking done by the MS UI >designers. >Style over substance comes to mind, and doubly so with Vista. >Doesn't matter if it works badly, as long as it looks pretty. I agree, but would suggestt that there is something more (un)subtle going on and that is the manipulation of the population )of the world?) into dependecy on one concept of everyday computing. Even I have to use a windows machine for some things. David Mills Still using Acorn machines where possible and currently on his Iyonix! BTW my BBC B Issue7 still works! I just need a new 51/4 inch disc drive!!!! > [snip] From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 18 15:17:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HInj9-2XmVbs-02-9me.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:17:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HInj9-2XmVbs-02-9me; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:13:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HInj9-2XmVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:13:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HInj8-0006jU-JO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:13:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71231602E15; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13765-10; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE36A602E16; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:11:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B05E602D34 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13605-08 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FB77602D9E for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1HIniQ-00036L-03; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:12:38 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (Jr+PKmZV8edJpHg7Y2E5WuvfV1GcvPPR9YTGiaPuEeILzCczoYWKZA@[87.181.126.170]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1HIniG-1HS27s0; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:12:28 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.8] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HIniG-0000vz-00 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:12:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:12:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> References: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain X-ID: Jr+PKmZV8edJpHg7Y2E5WuvfV1GcvPPR9YTGiaPuEeILzCczoYWKZA@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 523c58a9-c774-4149-85b2-b4e9c2a78646 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sbellon@sbellon.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Robert Greenfield wrote: > Would it be possible for SparkFS to handle RAR archives, and does > anyone other than me want this? (hope so!) First of all, SparkFS once DID handle RAR archives. This was RAR version 1 and only 26-bit. But I assume you mean a 32-bit version that can handle new version 3 rarchives? And yes, I'm interested in that as well. And in fact I have already been in touch with David about this issue. Problem is, my spare time is very limited at present, so I have not come very far. But my interest is there. A more technically interesting point is, that this UnRAR module must have to be built with GCC and not with Norcroft, as the UnRAR code for version 3 rarchives is written in C++. I think there are quite a few obstacles in the way. -- Stefan Bellon From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 12:09:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJ7F0-0Ntknw-06-FqL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:09:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJ7F0-0Ntknw-06-FqL; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:03:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJ7F0-0Ntknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:03:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJ7Ey-0002Ei-Rh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:03:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF61603FB1; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23744-01; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3F99603F75; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:01:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB1BF604601 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31504-01 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer2.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D76C60456C for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HJ3fH-0005om-DZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:14:27 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HJ3fF-0005mq-Ke for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:14:27 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:25:16 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb77d0033monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:14:27 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Feb 19 21:14:27 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6475 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 185 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 240 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 19 Feb, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > Would it be possible for SparkFS to handle RAR archives, and does > > anyone other than me want this? (hope so!) > First of all, SparkFS once DID handle RAR archives. This was RAR > version 1 and only 26-bit. I didn't know that - must have been before I purchased it (which was quite recently - I don't know how I managed without it!) > But I assume you mean a 32-bit version that > can handle new version 3 rarchives? Yes. More people are sending me .rar files. I have found the unrar module and have used it from the command line, but I would very much prefer SparkFS to handle it seamlessly, which it does so well! > And yes, I'm interested in that as well. And in fact I have already > been in touch with David about this issue. Problem is, my spare time is > very limited at present, so I have not come very far. But my interest > is there. It is something I'd contribute money to - it adds extra functionality that was not there before. > A more technically interesting point is, that this UnRAR module must > have to be built with GCC and not with Norcroft, as the UnRAR code for > version 3 rarchives is written in C++. Oh! Can Norcroft still not really do C++ very well? (sorry if this is a silly question - I haven't really done any hard-out programming since 6502 assembler...) > I think there are quite a few > obstacles in the way. Could SparkFS be used as a front end for the existing unRAR module? regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 13:59:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJ8vK-1h2000-02-EA1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:59:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJ8vK-1h2000-02-EA1; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJ8vK-1h2000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJ8vG-0004rx-90 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0798604CF1; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-01; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F6AB604C61; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB25B604CAF for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04078-04 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98000604C5F for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HJ8uX-0003tI-ID for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:50:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: OVLIST Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:50:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Formatting text. Message-ID: <4eb7a043bephilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net To save me formatting text externally to say 109 characters before dropping texts into an Ovation page (riscos) is there a way (utility or applet maybe) that will allow me to do this. Thanks in anticipation. Phil Coates -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 14:49:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJ9g6-3yBknw-03-DPF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:49:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJ9g6-3yBknw-03-DPF; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:39:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJ9g6-3yBknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:39:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJ9g5-0002H5-Qs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:39:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0A4604DE4; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15600-07; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23CD3604D7F; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:37:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17285604DE4 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15382-07 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D58B0604DE0 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1HJ9fO-0007Fa-00; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:58 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (r1YphyZLoeWC8nHdY7Q73CsfOFAqHbMX12KnTpSHZyOzyXBCe-MmEz@[87.181.102.85]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1HJ9fE-0LBJa40; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:48 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.8] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HJ9fD-00066Z-00 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb7a4af87sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4eb77d0033monster@caverock.net.nz> References: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4eb77d0033monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain X-ID: r1YphyZLoeWC8nHdY7Q73CsfOFAqHbMX12KnTpSHZyOzyXBCe-MmEz@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 50284bc2-6d24-4812-8fe6-4aae708993a3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sbellon@sbellon.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 19 Feb, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > A more technically interesting point is, that this UnRAR module > > must have to be built with GCC and not with Norcroft, as the UnRAR > > code for version 3 rarchives is written in C++. > Oh! Can Norcroft still not really do C++ very well? There hasn't been any C++ development on top of that Cfront thing. > > I think there are quite a few > > obstacles in the way. > Could SparkFS be used as a front end for the existing unRAR module? Which "existing unRAR module" are you referring to? -- Stefan Bellon From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 16:39:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJBQg-350knw-03-Bef.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJBQg-350knw-03-Bef; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJBQg-350knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJBQe-0002ao-Df for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48489605602; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04608-08; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15E8460561E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311AA605571 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04432-10 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1C5B605564 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-250-199.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.250.199]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DC4E000964 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:06 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: OVLIST Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Formatting text. Message-ID: <4eb7aef713rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eb7a043bephilco@heter.co.uk> References: <4eb7a043bephilco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4eb7a043bephilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil wrote: > To save me formatting text externally to say 109 characters before > dropping texts into an Ovation page (riscos) is there a way > (utility or applet maybe) that will allow me to do this. Hold down Control as you drag it in? Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 16:39:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJBR8-385knw-02-BeD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJBR8-385knw-02-BeD; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:32:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJBR8-385knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:32:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJBR4-0002q6-1A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:32:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59B1F605621; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04715-10; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC452605611; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EB7F6055BC for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04533-09 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 122C56055DA for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070219163131.ZZTR3103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:31 +0000 Received: from TEDLACEY2 ([86.7.66.207]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070219163131.NJXD17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TEDLACEY2> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:31:31 +0000 Message-ID: <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> From: "Arthur Lacey" To: References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tedell@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net The adverts for Vista show upgrade versions. Are these for upgrading from one version to a higher one or from XP? Any help from someone who has alreast uopgraded will be appreciated. Ted Lacey From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 17:19:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJC4l-2x4Vbs-01-B0a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:19:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJC4l-2x4Vbs-01-B0a; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:13:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJC4l-2x4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:13:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJC4c-0006CN-Io for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:13:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F45260590B; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12587-03; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67227604E41; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:10:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A78FD605873 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12479-01 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15E42605851 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HJC2k-0000Ug-Ke for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:11:22 +0000 Message-ID: <8c1zRNFyjd2FFwpE@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:05:54 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> In-Reply-To: <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2>, Arthur Lacey writes >The adverts for Vista show upgrade versions. Are these for upgrading >from one version to a higher one or from XP? From XP? Apparently in the long run it will be possible to pay online to upgrade between different versions of Vista. So if you have Home Basic you can upgrade to Home Premium. All that happens is that you get a new registration code. The cheapest way of getting Vista is to buy an OEM version - around 75 quid all inc for Home Premium. However Personal Computer World points out that these may be considered to be limited to one piece of hardware so you might not be able to move them to another computer in the future. The OEM discs only come with 32 or 64 bit code on - contrary to what has been said in some places. The machine I put Vista on, has a SATA RAID disc (two Serial ATA discs connected to form one big disc) and it installed with no problems on a second partition. Providing me with a boot menu that lets me boot into either XP on the first partition or Vista. Getting into more dangerous territory I found a partition editor: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/index.php might be useful, but I didn't use it. If you have unused space on a disc the tools inside Windows will let you create more partitions. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 17:29:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJCEV-3z4Vbs-01-Aqq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:29:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJCEV-3z4Vbs-01-Aqq; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:23:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJCEV-3z4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:23:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJCES-0005dL-6l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:23:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD519605A9C; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14574-04; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28553605AB3; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:20:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC5D605A3A for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14441-04 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id A2BCC605922 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2007 17:21:28 -0000 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19EbpRIV79EvtWShEIPfMvfgMNIG22iiwED2XaKdS oe3g== Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 2.3.7.01 by Snapperfish To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <5249767-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC1FF8D1C@[10.129.18.170]> In-Reply-To: <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> From: Jochen Konietzko Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:21:25 +0100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 246 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: JochenKonietzko@gmx.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ..... Original Message ....... On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:04 -0000 =22Arthur Lacey=22 wrote: >The adverts for Vista show upgrade versions. Are these for upgrading from= =20 >one version to a higher one or from XP? > >Any help from someone who has alreast uopgraded will be appreciated. > >Ted Lacey=20 > >From I saw on TV, when you buy Vista you actually buy a set of DVDs with ev= erything on it - and an unlock key for some part. So, when you buy an entry level version only to find out that something rea= lly essential is missing, you can throw some additional money down Micro=24= oft's insatiable maw and =22upgrade=22 courtesy of a new unlock key. Then again, why waste any hard earned cash on Vista at all? >From what I've heard, the successor (Vienna?) is due to come out in two yea= rs=21 ...or buy a Mac ;-) Regards,=20 Jochen=20 ---------------------------------------------------- Sent with SnapperMail on a Palm T=7CT3 Jochen Konietzko=20 F=FChlinger Weg 4 D-50765 K=F6ln +49/1772998789 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 17:59:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJCmo-2rbGPo-01-AIX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:59:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJCmo-2rbGPo-01-AIX; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:58:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJCmo-2rbGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:58:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJCmk-0002R9-Aw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:58:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D501605E54; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21303-02; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9079C605EA8; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:56:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8FF9605E54 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21200-02 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A588605D98 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc.tasc.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HJCm4-000PdU-0e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:58:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:58:15 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> <8c1zRNFyjd2FFwpE@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c1zRNFyjd2FFwpE@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.26S) (RISC-OS/4.39) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8c1zRNFyjd2FFwpE@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2>, Arthur Lacey > writes > >The adverts for Vista show upgrade versions. Are these for upgrading > >from one version to a higher one or from XP? > > From XP? Early "Upgrade" versions have a widely documented flaw that allows them to be used to perform clean installations though the licence will be technically invalid. > > Apparently in the long run it will be possible to pay online to upgrade > between different versions of Vista. So if you have Home Basic you can > upgrade to Home Premium. All that happens is that you get a new > registration code. > > The cheapest way of getting Vista is to buy an OEM version - around 75 > quid all inc for Home Premium. However Personal Computer World points > out that these may be considered to be limited to one piece of hardware > so you might not be able to move them to another computer in the future. OEM licences are effectively locked to the motherboard on which they were first installed. The activation process collects info about your system. If the system changes by enhancement, e.g. you add another disk drive or more memory, you are unlikely to have problems with activation. If you try moving it to another motherboard, you will have to talk to the MS activation people and persuade them to let you move it to another board. As their job is to decline such requests, you might have a problem. By contrast, retail licences are not so tightly locked. When you move the licence, it will need reactivation. MS is likely to be rather sceptical if you try moving the licence more than a couple of times a year. > > The OEM discs only come with 32 or 64 bit code on - contrary to what has > been said in some places. It is the full retail version that has both 32 and 64 bit on the same DVD. > > The machine I put Vista on, has a SATA RAID disc (two Serial ATA discs > connected to form one big disc) and it installed with no problems on a > second partition. Providing me with a boot menu that lets me boot into > either XP on the first partition or Vista. > > Getting into more dangerous territory I found a partition editor: > > http://gparted.sourceforge.net/index.php > > might be useful, but I didn't use it. > > If you have unused space on a disc the tools inside Windows will let you > create more partitions. > > If you are used to using winnt.sif to control the installation process, e.g. to assign system, data and programs to different partitions, set aside a few days to learn the new technology. The Automated Install Kit is about 850MB. It runs under XP Pro or Vista so if you are running XP Home, then you need to do a temporary Vista installation to generate the instructions for your production system. Search on WAIK (Windows Automated Installation Kit) if you plan to try this. Until you have learnt how to use it, it isn't intuitive 8-| Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 18:09:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJCwE-0qS000-07-A97.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:09:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJCwE-0qS000-07-A97; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:08:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJCwE-0qS000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:08:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJCwD-0005HT-SG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:08:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72CB96055CC; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22852-08; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3CCB6055FC; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:06:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F194C605584 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22757-01 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A501360556C for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l1JI7kAc016000 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:07:46 GMT In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:07:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Before upgrading to Vista you should consider things like this :- http://tinyurl.com/242amw Not only are not allowed to read what M$ put on your disk, you might not be allowed to play your own videos Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. 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From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 18:19:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJD3L-1Mw000-02-A20.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:19:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJD3L-1Mw000-02-A20; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:15:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJD3L-1Mw000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:15:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJD3K-0002uP-Sn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2B9B60578C; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23553-09; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A9E7605784; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:13:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 594C060578C for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23499-02 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 278FB60571C for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HJD2d-00077p-9e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:15:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Formatting text. Message-ID: <4eb7b878cdphilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eb7aef713rkp@par.me.uk> References: <4eb7a043bephilco@heter.co.uk> <4eb7aef713rkp@par.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 19 Feb, Richard Partridge wrote: > In article <4eb7a043bephilco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > wrote: > > To save me formatting text externally to say 109 characters before > > dropping texts into an Ovation page (riscos) is there a way (utility > > or applet maybe) that will allow me to do this. > Hold down Control as you drag it in? > Regards, > Richard Partridge. Thanks for that Richard, thats a handy one. Is there a way of preserving paragraph breaks though where there are two line feeds or returns (not sure which is used). I'm greatfull for this one though.. Thanks Phil The above will be quite handy though. -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 19 20:49:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJFJL-0HjGPo-06-GIW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:49:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJFJL-0HjGPo-06-GIW; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJFJL-0HjGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:40:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJFJL-0005bQ-4P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7ED6604696; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18270-07; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 726096054B9; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EC81604696 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17915-09 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8BB560203B for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.148) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 45C8916A001564B4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:39:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> "John Grogan" wrote: > In Ovation Pro, an embedded frame is rendered with its bottom edge on > the text baseline (see Manual p105) but I see that an embedded > [horizontal] line is rendered with its bottom edge half its thickness > above the text baseline. In other respects - e.g. the repositioning > of the baseline to accommodate the embedded line - the embedded line > is treated as if it sat directly on the baseline. A thick line > embedded in a line near the top of a frame may thus extend above the > top of a frame. Is this intentional? I see no way to reproduce what you state. Can you send me per direct mail an example, please. -- Greetings, JohnvV - janvredenburch@smile.ch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 20 12:26:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJU4J-0DlVbs-07-A44.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:26:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJU4J-0DlVbs-07-A44; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:26:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJU4J-0DlVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:26:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJU4I-0005bU-Qc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:26:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60F34607311; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03201-07; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEFF2607382; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:24:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EA3B607387 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12167-03 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx3.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer2.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11712607318 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx3.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HJQIe-0001L2-US for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:24:36 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx3.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HJQIe-0001KN-LS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:24:36 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:22:08 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb8008c78monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb7a4af87sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4eb77d0033monster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb7a4af87sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx3.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:24:36 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Feb 20 21:24:36 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.7567 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 312 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 251 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 20 Feb, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > Could SparkFS be used as a front end for the existing unRAR module? > Which "existing unRAR module" are you referring to? I've just checked - it's the one you've ported (v3.30)! Perhaps I should have checked that earlier :-) *bye -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 20 14:06:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJVWU-0xV000-03-8bt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:06:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJVWU-0xV000-03-8bt; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:59:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJVWU-0xV000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:59:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJVWU-00024G-B7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:59:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4A116069C6; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14703-05; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D813606B65; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D59496069C6 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14550-07 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A34ED606B20 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HJVVn-0008SS-0x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:58:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:56:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >My really, really big urine off with Vista is the number of directories >that I can't access/open even look in, and I only own the computer and am >the administrator, I really would be interested in how I can get rid of >all that MS Nanny stuff and have all of my computer returned to ME. Which folders can't you look in? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 20 14:26:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJVrr-3DD000-06-Gn2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:26:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJVrr-3DD000-06-Gn2; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:21:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJVrr-3DD000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:21:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJVrW-00055Q-Ep for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:21:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C2206066C0; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18100-01; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDEE2606176; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:18:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AACFE606248 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17467-08 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 383C26061E3 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070220141943.VEHJ1468.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:19:43 +0000 Received: from TEDLACEY2 ([86.7.66.207]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070220141943.JQGS219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@TEDLACEY2> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:19:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c754fb$3b343470$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> From: "Arthur Lacey" To: References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <00f601c75444$78e6cf10$cf420756@TEDLACEY2> <8c1zRNFyjd2FFwpE@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:27:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tedell@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Thanks for all the replies to my query. A mixed bag and it does seem that at my age (almost 86) i mught have some problems. I think I will stick to XP for the time being. This old brain adapts slowly to new ideas. :-) Ted Lacey From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 21 11:43:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJkna-2MkVbs-02-ANp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:43:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJkna-2MkVbs-02-ANp; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:17:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJkna-2MkVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:17:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJkna-0001mF-AG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:17:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9606A608DEB; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12083-06; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29CC5608E4F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:15:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01D27608DEB for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11967-03 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9383608E2E for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 21 Feb 2007 06:17:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALFy20XUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPKwEBAQcODR2TBQEBAQ Received: from 88-105-129-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.129.110]:10013 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HJkms-000Kf5-SA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:17:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eb87d7db5dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >My really, really big urine off with Vista is the number of directories > >that I can't access/open even look in, and I only own the computer and > >am the administrator, I really would be interested in how I can get rid > >of all that MS Nanny stuff and have all of my computer returned to ME. > Which folders can't you look in? There's quite a list, so I'll just name a few. C:\Documents and Settings is not accessible. Access denied. C:\Users\All Users\Application data is not accessible. Access denied. C:\Users\All Users\favourites is not... C:\Users\All Users\Start menu... C:\Users\All Users\Templates... C:\Users\Dave\Applicatio Data... C:\Users\Dave\Start menu... Cookies... Local settings... And more. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 21 11:43:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJoJr-2c6knw-02-FO4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:43:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJoJr-2c6knw-02-FO4; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:03:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJoJr-2c6knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:03:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJoJq-0006Jy-Vr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:03:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 725DA604EE0; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01550-10; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAB0460319A; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:01:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C49D608162 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01438-09 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AF0760813B for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([80.177.23.190] helo=tasc.tasc.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HJoJ8-00097c-DZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:58:24 GMT From: Philip Ingram To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <61b192b84e.prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb87d7db5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eb87d7db5dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Not Much User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.26S) (RISC-OS/4.39) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eb87d7db5dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4eb70ac9f9dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > > writes > > >My really, really big urine off with Vista is the number of directories > > >that I can't access/open even look in, and I only own the computer and > > >am the administrator, I really would be interested in how I can get rid > > >of all that MS Nanny stuff and have all of my computer returned to ME. > > > Which folders can't you look in? > > There's quite a list, so I'll just name a few. > > C:\Documents and Settings is not accessible. Access denied. > > C:\Users\All Users\Application data is not accessible. Access denied. > [snip] Thanks for pointing this out. If you use a command window to enter dir /a \ProgramData you will find that several of the entries are of type "junction", effectively symbolic links to other objects. In my system C:\ProgramData\Application Data points to C:\ProgramData which looks dangerously near to being recursive 8-} Where I have followed a link to the real file, I have so far been able to open it. This could be seen as a foul-up resulting from Explorer not being updated to manage "Junctions" properly or a conspiracy to keep us from our data. Whatever, it's an annoyance. Regards, Philip -- Philip Ingram mailto:prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 21 11:43:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJp9j-2t3Vbs-05-EYC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:43:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJp9j-2t3Vbs-05-EYC; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:57:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJp9j-2t3Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:57:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJp9g-0001Tw-UZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:57:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D8196089BB; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07517-01; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A063D6089A6; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:55:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C510C6088D9 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07321-04 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (mta6.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 755526088D4 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1LAuGWD025168 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:56:17 GMT Received: from GeraldRaid (cpc2-swin1-0-0-cust799.sol2.cable.ntl.com [81.109.87.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1LAuFRX025126 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:56:16 GMT Message-ID: <002401c755a6$f080bf50$6401a8c0@GeraldRaid> From: "Gerald OvPro" To: "OvPro" Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation and Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:56:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovpro@abacusline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In my most recent article in Archive I wrote that files in Ovation and Ovation Pro format were not interchangeable. By this, what I mean is that files created in Ovation Pro can not be loaded into Ovation and that files created in Ovation can not be loaded into Ovation Pro. I have been told that although this is 'almost true' it is not totally correct. Perhaps someone could make a definitive statement about the loading of 'old' Ovation format files into Ovation Pro (what is needed to do it etc) and (if it can be done) the reverse process (Ovation Pro to Ovation) so that I can correct my (inadvertent) error. Gerald Fitton From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 21 12:03:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJq9O-1D7000-02-DYX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:03:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJq9O-1D7000-02-DYX; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:00:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJq9O-1D7000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:00:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJq9N-00077d-C2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:00:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37384608E50; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15424-06; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3E3F608E0F; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:58:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3445E608AC0 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15130-10 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 030C6608A8F for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HJq8Y-000Em1-L8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:59:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:58:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation and Ovation Pro References: <002401c755a6$f080bf50$6401a8c0@GeraldRaid> In-Reply-To: <002401c755a6$f080bf50$6401a8c0@GeraldRaid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <002401c755a6$f080bf50$6401a8c0@GeraldRaid>, Gerald OvPro writes >In my most recent article in Archive I wrote that files in Ovation and >Ovation Pro format were not interchangeable. By this, what I mean is >that files created in Ovation Pro can not be loaded into Ovation and >that files created in Ovation can not be loaded into Ovation Pro. Ovation cannot load Ovation Pro files. Ovation Pro can load Ovation files - the Ovation1 applet needs to be installed. This is logical, Ovation Pro was the successor to Ovation and we did not want to abandon Ovation users and their documents. Obviously today Ovation and Ovation Pro have different owners, but you've got to be realistic about the situation. Ovation is not going to be developed any further. In 1991 Beebug struggled to sell Ovation (mainly because the user interface looked so bad). In fact Beebug gave away Ovation with computers back then and people would not use it. Today there are probably 5 copies of Impression available for every RISC OS user. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 21 18:01:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJqeP-49s000-08-D3W.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:01:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJqeP-49s000-08-D3W; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJqeP-49s000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJqeP-0006Lm-Ad for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91B7660846B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18860-06; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AA4160835B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:30:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F43260846B for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18616-10 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D00CC608317 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070221123205.LXZ3103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:05 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070221123205.TSYV17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:32:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 258 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "JMAH van Vredenburch" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline > In message <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> > "John Grogan" wrote: > >> In Ovation Pro, an embedded frame is rendered with its bottom edge on >> the text baseline (see Manual p105) but I see that an embedded >> [horizontal] line is rendered with its bottom edge half its thickness >> above the text baseline. In other respects - e.g. the repositioning >> of the baseline to accommodate the embedded line - the embedded line >> is treated as if it sat directly on the baseline. A thick line >> embedded in a line near the top of a frame may thus extend above the >> top of a frame. Is this intentional? > > I see no way to reproduce what you state. Can you send me per direct > mail an example, please. > > > -- > Greetings, > JohnvV - janvredenburch@smile.ch > > Hello, John, Sorry - only just seen your message. Try this: 1. Open a new document. 2. Type text "abc" 3. Draw a horizontal line. 4. Edit its thickness to 10 mm. 5. Cut line. 6. Embed line in text. The line of text jumps down to accommodate a 10mm high embedded object but only the bottom 5mm of the embedded line is rendered with a 5mm space between its bottom edge and the text baseline. Now drag the right-hand edge of the window over the text and then pull it back. The whole of the embedded line is now shown - with the top above the top edge of the frame. Works the same on both RiscOS and the other one. Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 21 21:51:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HJzG3-0iL000-03-CyO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:51:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HJzG3-0iL000-03-CyO; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:44:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HJzG3-0iL000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:44:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HJzFw-0005qM-HV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:44:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B6EF60ACAC; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07076-05; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEEC160AC6B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D746B60A5C6 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06904-03 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C77BA60A986 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HJzF6-0007Xd-2N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:43:47 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation and Ovation Pro Message-ID: <9745d3b84e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <002401c755a6$f080bf50$6401a8c0@GeraldRaid> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >In message <002401c755a6$f080bf50$6401a8c0@GeraldRaid>, Gerald OvPro > writes [snip] > >Obviously today Ovation and Ovation Pro have different owners, but >you've got to be realistic about the situation. Ovation is not going to >be developed any further. In 1991 Beebug struggled to sell Ovation >(mainly because the user interface looked so bad). In fact Beebug gave >away Ovation with computers back then and people would not use it. OooH! I did... I'm sure! > >Today there are probably 5 copies of Impression available for every RISC >OS user. Interesting, I could never get on with it! David > > From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 14:11:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HK153-4Ncknw-05-B9O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HK153-4Ncknw-05-B9O; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:41:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HK153-4Ncknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:41:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HK14y-00032C-BX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:41:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E75F660BE01; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31567-04; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 799AB60C39B; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:39:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:38:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1EBA60BE01 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31325-08 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-09.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.28]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEEEF60BE49 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.104) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 45C8922B00195017 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:39:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:38:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> "John Grogan" wrote: > > >> In message <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> >> "John Grogan" wrote: snip some >> >> I see no way to reproduce what you state. Can you send me per direct >> mail an example, please. > > Try this: > 1. Open a new document. > 2. Type text "abc" > 3. Draw a horizontal line. > 4. Edit its thickness to 10 mm. > 5. Cut line. > 6. Embed line in text. > The line of text jumps down to accommodate a 10mm high embedded object but > only the bottom 5mm of the embedded line is rendered with a 5mm space > between its bottom edge and the text baseline. ....... Yes, I can repeat that for lines thicker than 1mm going through Menu>Edit>Embed object for step 6. > ................. Now drag the right-hand edge > of the window over the text and then pull it back. ........... I believe that here you try to force a redraw? (Try CtrlQ, is faster) > ................... The whole of the > embedded line is now shown - with the top above the top edge of the frame. Indeed. Definitely not as expected. Using Vertical-Shift down the bottom edge of the frame moves down with the line while the top edge of the frame remains in situ. On the other hand if you create a line in !Draw and then drag the file to the line of text, the "Draw"-line (Whatever size it has) will be embedded with the bottom edge on the text baseline. Possibly David Pilling has some more thoughts on this problem. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 14:12:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HK815-4cV000-06-Cjs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:12:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HK815-4cV000-06-Cjs; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HK815-4cV000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HK813-0005jn-Tj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A928E609595; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26077-03; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35A8E6090AA; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD1026092EC for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25809-06 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB13609C49 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1HK80B-0000OS-02; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:04:27 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (XRomAwZFYeUZk4+NRvkgRhwX97gw9kifrTcXF5gxI0aGO14A3qY5o4@[87.181.101.157]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1HK801-0Zihto0; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:04:17 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.8] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HK800-0005Ot-00 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:04:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:04:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb9069531sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4eb8008c78monster@caverock.net.nz> References: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4eb77d0033monster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb7a4af87sbellon@sbellon.de> <4eb8008c78monster@caverock.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain X-ID: XRomAwZFYeUZk4+NRvkgRhwX97gw9kifrTcXF5gxI0aGO14A3qY5o4@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 273002ed-da19-47ad-aeb8-1b05cedf9707 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sbellon@sbellon.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Robert Greenfield wrote: > On 20 Feb, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > > Could SparkFS be used as a front end for the existing unRAR > > > module? > > Which "existing unRAR module" are you referring to? > I've just checked - it's the one you've ported (v3.30)! > Perhaps I should have checked that earlier :-) That's not a module! -- Stefan Bellon From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 14:21:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKEnp-47OVbt-07-N0A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKEnp-47OVbt-07-N0A; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:20:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKEnp-47OVbt-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:20:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKEnn-0000cr-Ik for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:20:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4146460D55F; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14543-02; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE73560D5E9; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:18:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4F8160B54C for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03943-02 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx4.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer2.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 780A860967C for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx4.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HK9QJ-0006ZR-A6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:35:31 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx4.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HK9QI-0006Xz-Lo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:35:31 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:21:32 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS and .rar Message-ID: <4eb90da8d0monster@caverock.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4eb9069531sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4eb57027edmonster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb723ef58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4eb77d0033monster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb7a4af87sbellon@sbellon.de> <4eb8008c78monster@caverock.net.nz> <4eb9069531sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:35:31 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Thu Feb 22 21:35:31 2007 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.8219 X-DSPAM-Improbability: 1 in 463 chance of being spam X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 262 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: monster@caverock.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 22 Feb, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > On 20 Feb, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > Which "existing unRAR module" are you referring to? > > I've just checked - it's the one you've ported (v3.30)! > > Perhaps I should have checked that earlier :-) > That's not a module! Ahem. You are (of course!) quite correct :-) *bye -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 14:51:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKF8W-4eqVc1-01-1Srb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:51:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKF8W-4eqVc1-01-1Srb; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:41:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKF8W-4eqVc1-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:41:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKF4Q-0007NY-VG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:37:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6EC5609871; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17448-01-2; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D205A6097D6; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC7846087EA for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17211-01 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1044607EFE for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HKEzd-000CJE-FF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:32:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:30:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , JMAH van Vredenburch writes >Possibly David Pilling has some more thoughts on this problem. Having tried the example, I think it is a much worse bug than I imagined. My impression is that it should not be too hard to fix, so I will now look into it. I'm glad there has been more discussion of the problem, my initial reaction was that it was a minor problem which I would ignore for the time being. I find it a difficult situation. I can't fix every problem. Should I feel bad about that? To pick one example in my defence, I find that Internet Explorer often falls over or does incorrect redraws. Billions of dollars, 1000's of engineers and MicroSoft can't get it right. It's just difficult. Had I spent the time I've spent on moving to Windows fixing bugs things would be a lot better. So a choice, bug ridden software that people might use versus bug free software that no one (OK a few) can use. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 15:41:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKG4R-0Oxknw-03-DD2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:41:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKG4R-0Oxknw-03-DD2; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:41:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKG4R-0Oxknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:41:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKG4M-0001NL-1N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:41:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1574360D687; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28913-02; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 925B060D727; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:34:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9EDB60D515 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28786-07 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B81260D4AC for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1HKFz1-0006HM-4v for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:35:47 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Received: from 213.122.24.224 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:35:47 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:35:47 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 22/2/2007, "David Pilling" wrote: >In message , JMAH van Vredenburch > writes >>Possibly David Pilling has some more thoughts on this problem. > >Having tried the example, I think it is a much worse bug than I >imagined. My impression is that it should not be too hard to fix, so I >will now look into it. > >I'm glad there has been more discussion of the problem, my initial >reaction was that it was a minor problem which I would ignore for the >time being. > >I find it a difficult situation. I can't fix every problem. Should I >feel bad about that? No. As you mention below: > >To pick one example in my defence, I find that Internet Explorer often >falls over or does incorrect redraws. Billions of dollars, 1000's of >engineers and MicroSoft can't get it right. > I think most of your users/readers will agree, you do not need to feel defensive. I hope you're not beating yourself up! >It's just difficult. Had I spent the time I've spent on moving to >Windows fixing bugs things would be a lot better. So a choice, bug >ridden software that people might use versus bug free software that no >one (OK a few) can use. > > >David Pilling Not to answer your question above, but... we've just been spoilt by your excellent work, almost instant responses, and general helpfulness. We are the lucky ones. :-) Thanks for all so far. Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 15:51:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKG75-1BEknw-02-DAO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:51:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKG75-1BEknw-02-DAO; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:44:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKG75-1BEknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:44:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKG6u-0007ZT-IL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:44:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0FB960D976; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29743-04; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BC8560D96E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:40:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F32A60D8ED for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29631-09 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E914060D8B2 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070222153814.ZVEC1468.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:38:14 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070222153814.SZTP26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:38:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:38:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello, David, ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:30 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline . > Having tried the example, I think it is a much worse bug than I imagined. > My impression is that it should not be too hard to fix, so I will now look > into it. . Superficially it is simply that the embedded line is drawn with the wrong offset from the baseline. As far as I can see, in all other respects (e.g. the re-positioning of the baseline and adjoining text) it appears to be OK. I am aware, however, that appearances can be deceptive! . > I find it a difficult situation. I can't fix every problem. Should I feel > bad about that? . Don't be so hard on yourself! It's taken 15(?) years for someone even to be bothered to mention this one - and even then your response is measured in days! We are all very grateful for your remarkable diligence. Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 16:31:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKGqn-1w0Vbs-07-CQg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:31:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKGqn-1w0Vbs-07-CQg; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:31:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKGqn-1w0Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:31:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKGqh-0003yF-Ic for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:31:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 377D260E4B6; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05609-02; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B893160E528; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:22:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5848C60E4B6 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05488-02 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D63BC60E4C0 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HKGiq-0000A2-W8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:23:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:22:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Message-ID: <4eb939b7feevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01> References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan wrote: > Superficially it is simply that the embedded line is drawn with the > wrong offset from the baseline. As far as I can see, in all other > respects (e.g. the re-positioning of the baseline and adjoining text) > it appears to be OK. I am aware, however, that appearances can be > deceptive! If I'm understanding this properly, the error can be corrected by selecting the line, then, Menu => Text => Modify text... => Set V shift to -50% => Click 'OK' Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 17:41:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKHwJ-1B6000-06-BLA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:41:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKHwJ-1B6000-06-BLA; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:41:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKHwJ-1B6000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:41:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKHw7-00062T-L6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:41:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A03360DB07; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21357-06; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 402F360E1DF; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15DF360DB07 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21254-02 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9D1160DA43 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070222173830.FFTG1468.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:38:30 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070222173830.EGVK29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:38:30 +0000 Message-ID: <009501c756a8$42c3a140$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01> <4eb939b7feevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:38:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 267 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello, Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Clark" To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:22 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline > In article <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01>, > John Grogan wrote: > >> Superficially it is simply that the embedded line is drawn with the >> wrong offset from the baseline. As far as I can see, in all other >> respects (e.g. the re-positioning of the baseline and adjoining text) >> it appears to be OK. I am aware, however, that appearances can be >> deceptive! > > If I'm understanding this properly, the error can be corrected by > selecting the line, then, > > Menu => Text => Modify text... => Set V shift to -50% => Click 'OK' > > Evan. Unfortunately no! Ovation *thinks* it has drawn the embedded object where it should have done. If you move the object down, it still *thinks* that it is 50% of the line thickness below where it's really drawn it so the line of text jumps back up and the embedded line still goes outside the box. For the pedants, I know it doesn't think. Saying that it does avoids the need for me to do it! John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 19:31:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKJXB-3AUVbs-02-9kI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:31:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKJXB-3AUVbs-02-9kI; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:23:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKJXB-3AUVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:23:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKJX5-0007kT-ES for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:23:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CAB560E23C; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07303-10; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16CEF61004D; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ADAD60E23C for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07157-06 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F47260FF8B for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B1A0740008A for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:21:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-54401705.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.23.5]) by mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 26DD17400082 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:21:56 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070222192156159.26DD17400082@mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:21:45 GMT Message-ID: <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > > It would be interesting to know if some human computer interface > researchers have proved that dropping "My Computer" from the backdrop > and sticking it on the start menu (to pick one trivial example) is > better. > Don't know about Vista, but if you right-click on My Computer in the Start menu of XP, there is an option to "Display on Desktop". Same with Internet Explorer. The advantage in both cases over creating your own shortcut is that the right-click menus work on the desktop version as well, e.g. My Computer has Manage, IE has Internet Options. I still haven't found a way to put "Network Neighbourhood" up though. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 19:51:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKJu7-0nWGPo-03-9NM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:51:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKJu7-0nWGPo-03-9NM; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:46:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKJu7-0nWGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:46:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKJu6-000444-PA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:46:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEB4360E982; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12560-10; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7151860EAF1; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:44:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 656FD60E982 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12449-09 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9E7660DC2D for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HKJtN-0005Xo-Dz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:46:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:45:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Message-ID: <4eb94c474devan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <009501c756a8$42c3a140$9601a8c0@PC01> References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> <000801c75697$76029680$9601a8c0@PC01> <4eb939b7feevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <009501c756a8$42c3a140$9601a8c0@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <009501c756a8$42c3a140$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan wrote: > Unfortunately no! Ovation *thinks* it has drawn the embedded object > where it should have done. If you move the object down, it still > *thinks* that it is 50% of the line thickness below where it's really > drawn it so the line of text jumps back up and the embedded line still > goes outside the box. I see that now. Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 22 21:11:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKL9n-0h4knw-03-GeC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:11:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKL9n-0h4knw-03-GeC; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:07:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKL9n-0h4knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:07:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKL9j-0001iO-Os for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:07:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3FA660E2C0; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26354-07; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AE8360E16C; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA50B60F3C7 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26204-01-2 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail6.inspire.net.nz (mail6.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B96160F351 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (unknown [10.0.168.5]) by mail6.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2074E2AAF28 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:05:04 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A458DBA99 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:05:04 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GRsRNV19nI9w for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:04:30 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A586FDBA77 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:05:03 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:05:47 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Message-ID: <4eb953a0cfkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Greetings, > On 22/2/2007, "David Pilling" wrote: [snip] > >I find it a difficult situation. I can't fix every problem. Should I > >feel bad about that? Please, David, do not stress yourself. You are only human, and facing an impossible task like getting all the bugs out of something is - well, impossible. Software was ever so. I admit many years ago updating a Pascal compiler to the British standard - having it run for countless students (ie many thousands of times) for over a year when a colleague dropped in and said "my xxx program gets the answer wrong". It had about twenty lines of code and the result when compiled and run was obviously incorrect. Fortunately I knew exactly where in the compiler code the offending mistake must have been made - this time a very quick fix - I had typed "<=" when I should have typed ">=" - 'finger trouble'? - who knows! My colleague was kind enough to say that I shouldn't worry about it. Having learnt from that, may I say the same to you - don't worry, please - don't even feel bad! Like many others I have always been amazed by and grateful for your unfailing helpfulness and courtesy to those in need. Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 23 11:51:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKLwo-0I5Vbs-02-FrB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:51:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKLwo-0I5Vbs-02-FrB; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:57:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKLwo-0I5Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:57:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKLwo-0000Mc-5l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0268360FD9A; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03062-07; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75EAA60FFB2; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9CFE61012A for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02972-02 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94D4C610115 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.131) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 45D16057001801DC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:57:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:49:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > I find it a difficult situation. I can't fix every problem. Should I > feel bad about that? With such a complex program with all applets etc. the answer is: NO! > To pick one example in my defence, I find that Internet Explorer often > falls over or does incorrect redraws. Billions of dollars, 1000's of > engineers and MicroSoft can't get it right. Working as a team *together* is not an American "fort". > It's just difficult. Had I spent the time I've spent on moving to > Windows fixing bugs things would be a lot better. So a choice, bug > ridden software that people might use versus bug free software that no > one (OK a few) can use. Bug ridden? If some people, enjoying the use of OP, run this program to its limits and then hit a point too far, I do not call that bug ridden. And as I said, in this case embedding a Draw file overcomes the problem. A possible solution: delete the "Embed object" menu choice in Edit, especially as it has no key short-cut. It is easier to drag+drop a Draw file than to open the menu. As Ian Platt states: we are the lucky ones. I do believe we should continue to report eventual bugs/oddities. It can only help the programmer. The bug as we see it may not be the cause of the real problem. Which only the programmer will be able to evalute. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 23 11:52:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKPfG-1p9knw-03-C8j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:52:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKPfG-1p9knw-03-C8j; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:56:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKPfG-1p9knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:56:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKPfF-0001kH-Kf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:56:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7202861042E; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08964-09; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00C206103DF; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:53:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C95AF610434 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08882-07 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF930610442 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.112.76.190] (helo=dad.franz.@fwerner.plus.com) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HKPeT-0001Co-EZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:55:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Franz Werner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:02:14 GMT Message-ID: References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: franz@fwerner.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes >> writes > > >> >> It would be interesting to know if some human computer interface >> researchers have proved that dropping "My Computer" from the backdrop >> and sticking it on the start menu (to pick one trivial example) is >> better. >> > Don't know about Vista, but if you right-click on My Computer in the > Start menu of XP, there is an option to "Display on Desktop". Same > with Internet Explorer. > > The advantage in both cases over creating your own shortcut is that > the right-click menus work on the desktop version as well, e.g. My > Computer has Manage, IE has Internet Options. > > I still haven't found a way to put "Network Neighbourhood" up though. > Strange. Worked exactly the same here as My Computer (XP Home, SP2). -- Franz Werner From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 23 14:31:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKbPD-0wUGPo-01-8vI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:31:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKbPD-0wUGPo-01-8vI; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:28:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKbPD-0wUGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:28:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKayZ-0003jN-Iv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:00:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EA19611005; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02456-06; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ED54610FE4; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 285EA610EE4 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02324-05 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD408610E06 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HKaxk-000GQW-7h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:59:52 +0000 Message-ID: <3PHB1BD8Lv3FFwAu@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:58:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >(IMHO) hard to see, there are on the right some things you can Impossible to see on the right because they've put them on the left - that Bill Gates eh? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 23 15:11:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKc2i-2g3000-05-GoJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:11:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKc2i-2g3000-05-GoJ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:09:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKc2i-2g3000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:09:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKZLV-0000XH-C6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:16:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7F3B61035C; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17562-01; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5549A61030F; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:13:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98DC46102AC for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17506-04 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6911F610159 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HKZJB-0008i0-1v for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:13:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:12:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >I still haven't found a way to put "Network Neighbourhood" up though. As Franz said you can right click on NN on the start menu. Plan B, right click on the desktop, choose Properties, then "Customise Desktop". On Vista, right click on the start menu, only works on My Computer. However right click on the desktop gives Personalize and (IMHO) hard to see, there are on the right some things you can click on "Change Desktop Icons" (which lets you bring back Network) and "Adjust font size (DPI)". My point was are we a victim of fashion. Back in '95 did MS say "wow look! we've put My Computer on the desktop" only for in '01 them to say "My Computer on the desktop is bad, we'll let you do this if you insist but we'd rather you didn't". Looking at how they have arranged Personalize I'm inclined to think they're just messing about. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 23 20:22:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKgqR-2UR000-01-C0a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:22:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKgqR-2UR000-01-C0a; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:16:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKgqR-2UR000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:16:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKgqI-0000hR-LR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:16:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 832F7614562; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32144-02; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0969161455D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28ACA6144B9 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32019-04 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20238614482 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D38D61C0008B for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:12:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-54407911.wfd81b.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.121.17]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 992231C00081 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:12:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070223201215627.992231C00081@mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:11:27 GMT Message-ID: References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 275 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Franz Werner wrote: > In message <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: > >> In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> In message <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes >>> writes >> >> >>> >>> It would be interesting to know if some human computer interface >>> researchers have proved that dropping "My Computer" from the backdrop >>> and sticking it on the start menu (to pick one trivial example) is >>> better. >>> >> Don't know about Vista, but if you right-click on My Computer in the >> Start menu of XP, there is an option to "Display on Desktop". Same >> with Internet Explorer. >> >> The advantage in both cases over creating your own shortcut is that >> the right-click menus work on the desktop version as well, e.g. My >> Computer has Manage, IE has Internet Options. >> >> I still haven't found a way to put "Network Neighbourhood" up though. >> > > Strange. Worked exactly the same here as My Computer (XP Home, SP2). Unless I've missed something, what you've put up is My Network Places. WindowsNT4, and I think 2000, has Network Neighbourhood, which displayed the visible domains. To get to this on XP you start with Network places, then click on Workgroup Computers, then Show entire network, then Windows Network. Cumbersome. Just showing the local workgroup computers is too many steps, especially as opening Network Places can be very slow when there are problems, which is precicely when you usually want to see the local workgroup, for example to find out if there is one. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 24 18:41:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HKm2q-1t5000-02-FKh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:41:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HKm2q-1t5000-02-FKh; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:49:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HKm2q-1t5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:49:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HKm2l-0005Up-Le for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:49:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FF6D615B72; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24241-05; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA840615D49; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:47:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AA6615CE7 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24019-07-3 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 474B0615C29 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.112.76.190] (helo=dad.franz.@fwerner.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HKm1u-0004nT-1C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:48:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Franz Werner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:33:33 GMT Message-ID: <977ceab94e.Franz@franz.@fwerner.plus.com> References: <4eb4ec5215dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eb68e34e3dfs@ukgateway.net> <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) X-No-Archive: Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: franz@fwerner.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Alan Adams wrote: > In message > Franz Werner wrote: > >> In message <9b1a4ab94e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> [snip] >>> >>> I still haven't found a way to put "Network Neighbourhood" up though. >>> >> >> Strange. Worked exactly the same here as My Computer (XP Home, SP2). > > Unless I've missed something, what you've put up is My Network Places. You haven't missed anything - my mistake. Apologies. -- Franz Werner From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 24 20:40:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HL3Xz-4Lcknw-04-Esa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:40:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HL3Xz-4Lcknw-04-Esa; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HL3Xz-4Lcknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HL3Xx-0001Og-TP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9957E61716D; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32376-03-4; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C10F2617184; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D44561719D for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32211-04 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86D4D61716A for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2007 20:30:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMsv4EXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQcODhyTOAEBAQ Received: from 88-105-208-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.208.6]:10363 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HL3XC-0008a2-U8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:30:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 277 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David, Continuing with Vista. I did install OvPro for Windows on Vista okay initially, but have now encountered a biggy... I was activating some Macros and moving their respective button about the Tool Bars, had to stop, so I did a Save from the Macro window, quit OvPro and did the other things that had interrupted my work (Visitors). Came back a while later and attempted to run OvPro and it wouldn't have any of it... Vista putting up a window that OvPro had gone wrong etc. I rebooted computer, no change. I reinstalled OvPro from the last update, the install went okay, but OvPro still wouldn't run. I uninstalled OvPro completely, then I reinstalled from the CD (Out of date), I then updated to a latest version. No change still wouldn't play. Tried from a backup, still wouldn't play. Uninstalled again, then copied my working version from the desktop (XP) PC, still the same. (Left this try till last for a reason. Gotta be a Registry CU. This time of course OvPro wouldn't uninstall for obvious reasons. So manually dumped all the files. Then went through the registry and manually removed all references to Ovpro. Reinstalled 2.75 from CD, and it ran okay. Updated with 2.92 27th Jan 2007, runs okay. Will now reboot and see... Goody it's still working. I'll now have to reconfigure everything... Will report again later. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 24 21:40:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HL4a0-3lqVbs-08-DqZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:40:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HL4a0-3lqVbs-08-DqZ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:37:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HL4a0-3lqVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:37:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HL4a0-0004Fc-10 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:37:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9EF46152BE; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08620-08; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C83D6150C6; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6226152BE for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08563-04 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5AEB614B66 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HL4ZG-0005uz-63 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:36:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:35:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 278 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Came back a while later and attempted to run OvPro and it wouldn't have >any of it... Vista putting up a window that OvPro had gone wrong etc. Interesting. >Gotta be a Registry CU. Not necessarily. The data specific to a given user is not removed when you uninstall. That is in the folder we talked about a few days ago. i.e.: C:\Users\David Pilling\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro Replace the first "David Pilling" with your user name. Dud data in that folder would be a possible explanation. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 24 22:00:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HL4ng-4cVVbs-01-Dct.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:00:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HL4ng-4cVVbs-01-Dct; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HL4ng-4cVVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HL4ng-0006s8-7C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 191B761705B; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10691-05; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97F29617039; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8306A61705B for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10605-08 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54CB0617042 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HL4mz-000N2s-10 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:50:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:49:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >Not necessarily. The data specific to a given user is not removed when >you uninstall. That is in the folder we talked about a few days ago. >Dud data in that folder would be a possible explanation. Logging on as a different user would change results. If you do investigate the contents of this folder, please save a copy before you delete it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 11:52:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HL5NG-1htGPo-04-D3J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:52:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HL5NG-1htGPo-04-D3J; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:28:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HL5NG-1htGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:28:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HL5ND-0004iI-3y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:28:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8F2261724C; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15253-06; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5459261727C; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E12261724C for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15023-10 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB9B9617256 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2007 22:27:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIhK4EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQcODB6TNwEBAQ Received: from 88-105-208-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.208.6]:10512 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HL5MR-000B8q-H0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:27:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:27:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eba62d0c9dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >Came back a while later and attempted to run OvPro and it wouldn't have > >any of it... Vista putting up a window that OvPro had gone wrong etc. > Interesting. > >Gotta be a Registry CU. > Not necessarily. The data specific to a given user is not removed when > you uninstall. That is in the folder we talked about a few days ago. > i.e.: > C:\Users\David Pilling\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro > Replace the first "David Pilling" with your user name. > Dud data in that folder would be a possible explanation. Yes I did notice that, and I did consider it as a possibility David, and so, in one of the latter attempts, I deleted them and replaced them with first backups, no change. Then eventually with replacements from the XP machine, no change. Eventually the lot were dumped along with everything else OvPro. I've done a lot of reconfiguring, and all seems well. I love OvPro, that's why I have both the RO and Win versions installed, but there is one thing about the Win version that really really annoys me. The tiny OvPro window that opens when you first run it. Can you please remind me how to arrange it so that when it first opens, the windows is of a reasonable size. I've tried Reshacker, but after a save the new Ovnpro.exe opens the same size as before. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 11:52:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HL5tt-0dh000-01-CWg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:52:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HL5tt-0dh000-01-CWg; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:01:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HL5tt-0dh000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:01:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HL5tt-00002o-M4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:01:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D116E61709A; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18406-03; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65D5E617201; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A48C361709A for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18310-03 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43ECD616FEB for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2007 23:01:15 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPJS4EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQcODB6TQAEBAQ Received: from 88-105-208-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.208.6]:10548 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HL5tC-000Fmv-TT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:01:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:01:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eba65e19edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes > >Not necessarily. The data specific to a given user is not removed when > >you uninstall. That is in the folder we talked about a few days ago. > >Dud data in that folder would be a possible explanation. > Logging on as a different user would change results. If you do > investigate the contents of this folder, please save a copy before you > delete it. Sorry, but I'm the only user ATM. Anything specific you are after? As there's a lot of stuff in the Recycle bin. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 11:53:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLDBC-1Ku000-03-Dlt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:53:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLDBC-1Ku000-03-Dlt; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:48:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLDBC-1Ku000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:48:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLDBB-0003wv-R4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:48:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D23F561760D; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25958-03; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C38E6175BE; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0BA561760D for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25848-10 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FD366175BE for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HLDAU-0007Zq-I0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:47:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 06:47:18 GMT Message-ID: <1e8a90ba4e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eba62d0c9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eba62d0c9dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 282 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eba62d0c9dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Can you please remind me how to arrange it so that when it first opens, > the windows is of a reasonable size. Just adjust the size of the window to what you want then do a Misc > Choices > Save -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 11:53:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLFCc-0qGknw-06-BkT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:53:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLFCc-0qGknw-06-BkT; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:57:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLFCc-0qGknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:57:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLFCc-0000zA-CM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:57:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 634FF616CB2; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03209-06; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA56A616ED6; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7672A616CB2 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03057-10 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C1FB616B83 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2007 08:57:10 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACre4EXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQcODB6TTwEBAQ Received: from 88-105-237-149.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.237.149]:10016 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HLFBq-00091m-TY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:57:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:44:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4eba9b45f5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1e8a90ba4e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eba62d0c9dfs@ukgateway.net> <1e8a90ba4e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1e8a90ba4e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <4eba62d0c9dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > Can you please remind me how to arrange it so that when it first opens, > > the windows is of a reasonable size. > Just adjust the size of the window to what you want then do a > Misc > Choices > Save Ah yes! That's the one. Thanks Bernard. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 11:53:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLGCw-4GDknw-02-Ak9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:53:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLGCw-4GDknw-02-Ak9; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:02:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLGCw-4GDknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:02:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLGCu-0002Wb-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:02:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C29FC617141; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08014-03; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 574D561718F; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A918E617141 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07914-08 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CCD461710C for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2007 10:01:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKPt4EXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPGgEBAQcODhyTVAEBAQ Received: from 88-105-237-149.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.237.149]:10484 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HLGCD-000HiH-L0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:01:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:02:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4ebaa25f1cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eba9b45f5dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4eba9b45f5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net My next question... I want to add a couple of sprites the the Tool button Pool, please, where is the tool button pool hiding? At present, I'm using the Hints Applet as a repository for a buttons22.spr file pool. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 12:12:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLI6p-0pW000-06-8qG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:12:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLI6p-0pW000-06-8qG; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:04:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLI6p-0pW000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:04:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLI6m-00032l-U6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:04:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDE9561158C; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20742-07; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E32D60D6A5; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C670A617345 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20391-08 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91A50617308 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HLI63-000I3k-Fz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:03:20 +0000 Message-ID: <0X8BDLBuqX4FFwYf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:01:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eba9b45f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ebaa25f1cdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ebaa25f1cdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 285 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ebaa25f1cdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >I want to add a couple of sprites the the Tool button Pool, please, where >is the tool button pool hiding? >At present, I'm using the Hints Applet as a repository for a buttons22.spr >file pool. I think the idea is that you use the Custom applet, just enable it and add buttons file to it. Presuming that you want to add button bar buttons. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 12:22:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLIHD-2ju000-02-8fs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:22:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLIHD-2ju000-02-8fs; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:14:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLIHD-2ju000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:14:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLIHC-0007FL-Bv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:14:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C3DD61599B; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21609-08; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1D14615ACC; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:12:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0831861599B for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21508-03 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C72DF61591E for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HLIGV-0002S3-0U for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:14:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:13:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eba65e19edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eba65e19edfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eba65e19edfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Sorry, but I'm the only user ATM. >Anything specific you are after? As there's a lot of stuff in the Recycle >bin. Well it is all very tantalising. Presumably out of the registry, the contents of the user data folder and the contents of the OPW installation folder there is something which makes it crash. My inclination would be to suspect one of the script files that is changed when you save choices or macros. As far as I recall OPW does not change the registry once it is installed. I don't know, maybe like in the old joke [1] wait and see if it happens again. I definitely don't want to see any .exe or .dll files. [1] Three engineers go for a car ride, as they come to a steep hill the brakes fail. After a hair raising descent they manage to stop. The mechanical engineer says "we'd better inspect the brakes before going on". The electronic engineer says "we should run some tests on the ABS control unit". The software engineer says "maybe we should push the car back up the hill and see if it happens again". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 13:42:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLJYR-2h1Vbs-03-FvA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:42:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLJYR-2h1Vbs-03-FvA; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:36:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLJYR-2h1Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:36:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLJYL-0003Oc-1R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:36:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3A666131D6; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30130-05; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 587A661670A; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:34:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8F296131D6 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29964-09 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 720BB616852 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2007 13:35:07 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAFIf4UXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACPGQEBAQcODB6TMAEBAQ Received: from 88-105-205-15.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.205.15]:10105 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HLJWr-000N7M-KQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:35:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:33:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4ebab5b707dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <0X8BDLBuqX4FFwYf@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4eba9b45f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4ebaa25f1cdfs@ukgateway.net> <0X8BDLBuqX4FFwYf@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 287 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <0X8BDLBuqX4FFwYf@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ebaa25f1cdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >I want to add a couple of sprites the the Tool button Pool, please, > >where is the tool button pool hiding? At present, I'm using the Hints > >Applet as a repository for a buttons22.spr file pool. > I think the idea is that you use the Custom applet, just enable it and > add buttons file to it. > Presuming that you want to add button bar buttons. Ah yes, that's it. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 25 14:32:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLKKn-0ze000-01-F8o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:32:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLKKn-0ze000-01-F8o; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:26:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLKKn-0ze000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:26:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLKKg-0004UO-QN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:26:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 560A86172BB; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04502-10; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE5B46171EF; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:24:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E71C66172BB for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04262-10 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net (mra02.ch.as12513.net [82.153.254.70]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E6826172B2 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC52D46F6 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:25:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08257-01-60 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:25:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from min.lexicon (unknown [82.152.235.13]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 27F68D464D for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:25:27 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:24:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows Vista Message-ID: <4ebaba64cemlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4eba581ca7dfs@ukgateway.net> <4eba65e19edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.29) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > [1] Three engineers go for a car ride, as they come to a steep hill the > brakes fail. After a hair raising descent they manage to stop. > The mechanical engineer says "we'd better inspect the brakes before > going on". > The electronic engineer says "we should run some tests on the ABS > control unit". > The software engineer says "maybe we should push the car back up the > hill and see if it happens again". Or alternatively: 3 Engineers out in a car and it breaks down. It refuses to start. Mechanical engineer suggests it's a problem with the engine, electronics engineer suggests ir's a problem with the electrics, software engineer says, "why don't we all get out, shut all the doors, then open them again and get in and see if it works!" Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 11:28:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLRpk-3wKknw-08-GAN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:28:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLRpk-3wKknw-08-GAN; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:27:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLRpk-3wKknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:27:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLRpj-0007Se-C2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:27:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EC1A617FF7; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31211-05-3; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92BDE61800D; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA035617F4D for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30921-02-6 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A870617F9A for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HLRoy-000CJm-2o for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:26:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:25:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 289 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , JMAH van Vredenburch writes >I do believe we should continue to report eventual bugs/oddities. It >can only help the programmer. The bug as we see it may not be the >cause of the real problem. Which only the programmer will be able to >evalute. OK, I believe I've fixed this problem. As it happens it was a very simple thing to fix. I'm happy to have fixed it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 11:28:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLTHp-2TgGPo-06-EiI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:28:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLTHp-2TgGPo-06-EiI; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:00:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLTHp-2TgGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:00:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLTHp-0000o1-4U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:00:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73B45617C59; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30487-02-11; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D842E617B81; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACF03617ADD for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30158-02-4 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C465617B0F for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070225235927.QVGU2951.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:59:27 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070225235926.RNVS26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:59:26 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c75938$fb66d6d0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <000e01c75048$2649d9f0$9601a8c0@PC01> <000a01c755b4$4a8a4b80$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:59:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline > OK, I believe I've fixed this problem. As it happens it was a very simple > thing to fix. I'm happy to have fixed it. ... and we're happy that you're happy to have made us happy! Does that make you even happier? Many thanks & kind regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 11:28:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLTN6-06B000-05-Ed1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:28:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLTN6-06B000-05-Ed1; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:05:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLTN6-06B000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:05:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLTN4-0003dU-BX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:05:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B9D9616CA8; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00508-02; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:04:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D6D8617444; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:03:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20BBC617288 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32687-02 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C776A617243 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1HLTML-0003yG-3I for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:04:53 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Received: from 213.122.4.171 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:04:53 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:04:53 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 291 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 25/2/2007, "David Pilling" wrote: >In message , JMAH van Vredenburch > writes >>I do believe we should continue to report eventual bugs/oddities. It >>can only help the programmer. The bug as we see it may not be the >>cause of the real problem. Which only the programmer will be able to >>evalute. > >OK, I believe I've fixed this problem. As it happens it was a very >simple thing to fix. I'm happy to have fixed it. > > And we didn't have to wait (half) a month for it! Wonderful. Again, we're spoilt. :-) Thanks David Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 14:28:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLgmV-0boknw-05-9k8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:28:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLgmV-0boknw-05-9k8; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:24:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLgmV-0boknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:24:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLgmU-0007ca-1v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:24:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF209619A3C; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21517-02; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5929A618F5A; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9355619A3C for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21324-08 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp4.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 857D9619A63 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (mwinf3406 [10.232.11.34]) by mwinf3410.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 12DBC1C005B5 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:59:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C63BA1C00085 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:59:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (modem-1922.hartebeest.dialup.pol.co.uk [81.76.231.130]) by mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 088331C00084 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:59:15 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070226105916349.088331C00084@mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with defining SCOPE of OvationPro styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Robin Phillips X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:12:25 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dear David, I am having a frequent problem with Ovation Pro. I am accustomed to defining styles and using them when editing documents. I find them very useful. Sometimes if I am editing a document and I apply a style, I discover it needs some adjustment, and I go into style editing with Control-Shift-E, where I can make the necessary alterations. Very often I find that the defined Scope in the top icon of the dialogue window shows as Paragraph when I feel sure I originally had set it as Line or Selection. Is there some default operating here which I have failed to understand? I am aware that if I display the default document and open the Style dialogue the bodytext style is set to Paragraph, but I had not expected this would affect all sorts of styles when they had been deliberately set to other scopes! Can you advise what is going wrong? I am using version 2.74 of March 2004. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 16:08:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLiKp-1ok000-05-GiK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:08:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLiKp-1ok000-05-GiK; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:04:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLiKp-1ok000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:04:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLiKo-000387-Tp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:04:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99DEC619EDC; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07389-02; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F82E619EFF; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7D2C619EDC for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07233-02 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6D51B619E93 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26342 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2007 16:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.149.252 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2007 16:03:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 92vXO2YVM1kAHbRpfKmmEkYphpS0wgZaQYwpoNSIFQZoE0TXjM.WFdVHYHkhqxyaH6WG0iUtUJyXnkBxN0_w3029D9kQnsUHovcMLMpe4qPGoRGxOso- Message-ID: <45E304D2.9090804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:03:30 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with defining SCOPE of OvationPro styles References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Robin Phillips wrote: > Sometimes if I am editing a document and I apply a style, I discover > it needs some adjustment, and I go into style editing with > Control-Shift-E, where I can make the necessary alterations. Very > often I find that the defined Scope in the top icon of the dialogue > window shows as Paragraph when I feel sure I originally had set it as > Line or Selection. > > Can you advise what is going wrong? This came up a few weeks ago in another thread. I think paragraph is the default ... unfortunately :-( -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 17:08:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLjH5-4eKknw-04-Fm4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:08:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLjH5-4eKknw-04-Fm4; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:04:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLjH5-4eKknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:04:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLjGx-0004CO-JD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:04:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E900F61ABF4; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18611-01; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B12B61ABD8; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA668619E76 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18380-07 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net (anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B229619CA8 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]:4393 "EHLO anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S9032252AbXBZLz2 (ORCPT ); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:55:28 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HLeLq-000A47-BJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:49:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:40:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Ian Platt writes >And we didn't have to wait (half) a month for it! Wonderful. Again, >we're spoilt. :-) Err before the happiness gets out of hand, of course the fix has not percolated through the versions on the web site yet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 17:28:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLjZw-2L7Vbs-03-FTD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:28:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLjZw-2L7Vbs-03-FTD; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:24:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLjZw-2L7Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:24:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLjZq-0005FL-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:24:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF4D5619B3B; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22301-06; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A5006199D4; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:21:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD2A361A295 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22110-03 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50DFB61A019 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HLjXW-0007un-EV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:21:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:18:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Problem with defining SCOPE of OvationPro styles References: <45E304D2.9090804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45E304D2.9090804@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45E304D2.9090804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Robin Phillips wrote: > >> Sometimes if I am editing a document and I apply a style, I discover >>it needs some adjustment, and I go into style editing with >>Control-Shift-E, where I can make the necessary alterations. Very >>often I find that the defined Scope in the top icon of the dialogue >>window shows as Paragraph when I feel sure I originally had set it as >>Line or Selection. Can you advise what is going wrong? >This came up a few weeks ago in another thread. I think paragraph is >the default ... unfortunately :-( This is a *feature*. If you set a paragraph attribute for a style then its scope changes to paragraph. However by popular demand I removed this behaviour in the last version of OP for RISC OS. So off you go to my web site and upgrade... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 26 18:28:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLkRN-2HqGPo-06-Ebm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:28:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLkRN-2HqGPo-06-Ebm; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:19:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLkRN-2HqGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:19:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLkRB-0003rU-Ai for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:19:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B95C61A523; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00599-07; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C07C061A4D9; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:16:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AC5B61A11D for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00396-09 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63BF561A13A for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HLkPu-0000j3-Fv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:17:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:16:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >In message , Ian Platt > writes >>And we didn't have to wait (half) a month for it! Wonderful. Again, >>we're spoilt. :-) > >Err before the happiness gets out of hand, of course the fix has not >percolated through the versions on the web site yet. I've uploaded the fixed version: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 27 11:32:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HLree-4JGknw-02-Fv1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:32:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HLree-4JGknw-02-Fv1; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:01:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HLree-4JGknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:01:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HLree-0003oy-8B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:01:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F72961C511; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13901-03; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D553C61C558; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C4761C511 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13772-08 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04F3A61C4CF for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1HLrdw-0003IW-Pn for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:00:40 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Received: from 213.122.111.175 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:00:40 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:00:40 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 26/2/2007, "David Pilling" wrote: >In message , Ian Platt > writes >>And we didn't have to wait (half) a month for it! Wonderful. Again, >>we're spoilt. :-) > >Err before the happiness gets out of hand, of course the fix has not >percolated through the versions on the web site yet. > > But we're sure it will! :-) Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 27 13:22:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HM2By-2MWGPo-08-DuD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:22:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HM2By-2MWGPo-08-DuD; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:16:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HM2By-2MWGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:16:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HM2Bt-0001ZF-Kh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:16:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5143B61AE16; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07129-03; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8CD161B6CD; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:12:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9A6261BEAF for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06884-06 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from queue03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queue03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23D5F61BDC0 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070227120109.BLIP2951.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:01:09 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.12.171.49]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070227120109.FPYU17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:01:09 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:48:22 GMT Message-ID: <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, all, In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >>In message , Ian Platt >> writes >>>And we didn't have to wait (half) a month for it! Wonderful. Again, >>>we're spoilt. :-) >> >>Err before the happiness gets out of hand, of course the fix has not >>percolated through the versions on the web site yet. > > I've uploaded the fixed version: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip I get "Bad Archive" if I try to open it. Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 27 14:22:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HM3CB-2Jmknw-07-Cu0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:22:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HM3CB-2Jmknw-07-Cu0; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:20:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HM3CB-2Jmknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:20:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HM332-00027K-Ms for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:11:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 893E361C05D; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22130-06-3; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BE4261C820; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A5BA61C4F0 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21930-01 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CE3E61C382 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HM32G-0000UH-9p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:10:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:09:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com writes >> I've uploaded the fixed version: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip >I get "Bad Archive" if I try to open it. I've just downloaded the file from the web site and it is good. So I suggest you have a bad copy. Download it again. 8-) This sort of thing happens regularly, the usual comment is that if you download it again, make sure there is not a cache in the way which will serve up yet another corrupt copy. Perhaps I should go over to PackdDir archives I believe they are less prone to corruption... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 27 14:42:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HM3O6-3N2knw-06-Ci5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:42:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HM3O6-3N2knw-06-Ci5; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:33:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HM3O6-3N2knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:33:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HM3O0-0006Xi-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:33:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D174361CE23; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29007-07; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5427F61CF2F; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:30:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6553861CE23 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28806-05 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DBBB61D275 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-192-251.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.192.251]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE10E0004CE for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:32:10 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:30:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Message-ID: <4ebbc2a78brkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com writes > >> I've uploaded the fixed version: > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > >I get "Bad Archive" if I try to open it. > I've just downloaded the file from the web site and it is good. So > I suggest you have a bad copy. Download it again. Just to confirm it's OK, I've downloaded and installed without trouble. Many thanks. Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 28 11:43:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HMC9n-239GPo-01-CSu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:43:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HMC9n-239GPo-01-CSu; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HMC9n-239GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HMC9n-0006th-BW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 620B361DD1A; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14040-05; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0848B61DDC6; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E4DC61DCD9 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13922-08 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 970B161DC12 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070227235411.GTTT3103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:11 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070227235411.FTWX219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:11 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c75aca$944e46c0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:54:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline > > I've uploaded the fixed version: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > Hello, David, All working perfectly! Thanks again. John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 28 14:03:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HMPM1-3mhVbs-05-GJi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:03:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HMPM1-3mhVbs-05-GJi; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:00:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HMPM1-3mhVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:00:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HMPM0-0000gK-T5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:00:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8990161DCA7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14322-04; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05F8B61E00A; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B929061DCA7 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14211-07 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45C3861D35E for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070228135941.YMWA3103.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:59:41 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.12.171.49]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070228135941.MYUG219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:59:41 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:57:03 GMT Message-ID: <5d6443bc4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, > ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com writes >>> I've uploaded the fixed version: >>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip >>I get "Bad Archive" if I try to open it. > > I've just downloaded the file from the web site and it is good. So I > suggest you have a bad copy. Download it again. I have and it is OK. > > 8-) > > This sort of thing happens regularly, the usual comment is that if you > download it again, make sure there is not a cache in the way which will > serve up yet another corrupt copy. There's thread on Archive on Line at the moment about this very subject. The suggestion there is that the corruption is due an interruption of a download not detected by the server. > > Perhaps I should go over to PackdDir archives I believe they are less > prone to corruption... *If* the above is true it wouldn't help. Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 28 14:23:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HMPdj-0SJGPo-04-G20.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:23:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HMPdj-0SJGPo-04-G20; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:18:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HMPdj-0SJGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:18:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HMPdi-0003AG-5e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:18:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C3C961E520; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17786-01; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC1CD61E4D4; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C947261E4C7 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17595-07 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97B9A61E4BC for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HMPcn-000Cxc-4I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:17:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Positioning of embedded lines above the text baseline References: <97c6b3bb4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> <5d6443bc4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <5d6443bc4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <5d6443bc4e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>, ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com writes >There's thread on Archive on Line at the moment about this very >subject. The suggestion there is that the corruption is due an >interruption of a download not detected by the server. The topic has been discussed here in the past. A certain ISP seemed to have the worst problems. >> Perhaps I should go over to PackdDir archives I believe they are less >> prone to corruption... >*If* the above is true it wouldn't help. I was joking, I've made comments in the past how people would drive me mad saying that PackdDir files were more robust than Spark archives. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 1 13:42:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HMhwW-2csVbs-01-EmF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:42:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HMhwW-2csVbs-01-EmF; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:51:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HMhwW-2csVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:51:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HMhwT-0005S2-Mr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:51:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48D22621BC1; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 04:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19678-09; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 04:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEF85621BB9; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 04:49:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:49:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DB3A621BE0 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 04:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19581-03 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 04:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C9A0621AEC for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 04:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-92-80.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.92.80] helo=iyo.schild) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH schild) (Exim 4.42) id 1HMhvl-0009oi-F6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:50:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:50:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] join_lines applet (bug?) Message-ID: <4ebcb09c2ejohn@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@schild.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Picking up the theme of recent postings I am constantly impressed with the quality of DP's instant and helpful responses to bug reports. [THANKYOU] I'm hesitant to mention this one because I usually manage to keep alert to it and stop it happening. The problem arises because I do a lot of OCR-ing and then need to re-format text which has too many line breaks in it.... When I highlight a section of text including the last line, which terminates with a G page break, and apply J to join lines including the last line, it stiffs the machine and I can only get going again with an break to terminate OPro. (usually, of course, it happens just *before* an auto-save is due....) OPro is RISC 2.77 and joinlines is 1.05. The work-around is to keep alert and avoid highlighting the last line before the page break, but working on a two hundred page book, being ancient I too often lose concentration!!! If it's fixable, I would be grateful. If not, I must drink more coffee. Thanks anyway for OPro; my most-used application. -- ================================================== John Schild, St. Cleer, Liskeard, Cornwall ================================================== From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 1 14:09:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HMls1-2gu000-05-Aqk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:09:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HMls1-2gu000-05-Aqk; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:02:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HMls1-2gu000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:02:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HMls1-0002Jp-8F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:02:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B947A62201B; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10636-04; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 496D5621FC8; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:00:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FE1A621D6F for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10498-03-2 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08B90621F57 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HMlrJ-000Hm2-IH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:02:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:01:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: join_lines applet (bug?) References: <4ebcb09c2ejohn@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ebcb09c2ejohn@schild.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ebcb09c2ejohn@schild.demon.co.uk>, John Schild writes >When I highlight a section of text including the last line, which >terminates with a G page break, and apply J to join lines >including the last line, it stiffs the machine and I can only get going >again with an break to terminate OPro. (usually, of course, it >happens just *before* an auto-save is due....) Apparently a bug in the join line applet. What you need to know is that Control+Escape will stop a script from running. So a soft way out of this situation is Control+Escape. I will investigate the applet. I don't expect it to be a difficult problem to fix. Thanks for the report. My apologies for any lost work. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 2 14:08:59 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HN8JN-0HjGPo-06-Dyw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:08:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HN8JN-0HjGPo-06-Dyw; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:00:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HN8JN-0HjGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:00:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HN8JI-0005pG-PM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:00:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00922627160; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01212-05; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8675F626E2B; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:58:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E845627160 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01055-07 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4F10626F78 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HN8IX-000FBQ-08 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:58:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. I might want to find the last letter I wrote to someone so that I can use it as a basis for the next one. On RISC OS I did this using Acorn's Find application - other programs are available. For Windows I didn't have a solution I was happy with. I wondered about using the search facilities built into Windows. It turns out that for these to work on Ovation Pro documents a small piece of software is needed which I have written. I should say that this is an experimental project and I'd like to have a discussion about it. For example installation is a low level affair, because I've not found a better way in the Windows documentation. If (like me) you cry when it becomes apparent Windows needs to be reinstalled what follows might not be for you. The link: www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/extras/IFilter/ifilter.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 2 16:29:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HNAUI-2HLVbs-07-Bo1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:29:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HNAUI-2HLVbs-07-Bo1; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:20:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HNAUI-2HLVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:20:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HNAUH-0001Cw-H7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:20:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4873E6278F7; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26071-10; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF763627929; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:18:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 872206278F7 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25937-02 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 372A06278BC for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l22GJGlL018537 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:19:16 GMT In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:19:35 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. > > For Windows I didn't have a solution I was happy with. > Now there's a surprise :^) I spent several hours of hair pulling trying to work out why Windows XP search wouldn't find files with a particular content when I knew they existed. You have obviously been, at least partly, down this route, because you have written an OPro search filter. But you can make XP search the contents of all files even if they don't have a filter. Which may give the functionality you want without the risk of having to re-install Windows again!! For those that don't know about this there's more information here :- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309173 As an aside, I find taking an "ghost" image of my system partition just before doing anything dodgy like this pays dividends :^) Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. 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From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 2 18:29:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HNCOA-3XRknw-05-9u9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:29:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HNCOA-3XRknw-05-9u9; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:21:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HNCOA-3XRknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:21:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HNCO5-0000WQ-MY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:21:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB0AD627934; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17154-04; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6598362795B; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:19:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2CF4627958 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17048-05 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70EE8627946 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HNCNL-000Jhg-Ey for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:21:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:19:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes >you have written an OPro search filter. But you can make >XP search the contents of all files even if they don't have >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309173 Yes I reproduce the facts in the above kb article in the ReadMe in the IFilter zip file. For things like script files (.csc) using the ability to extend the extensions searched is probably a good idea. For .dpd files, I'd be interested to hear which is best. The dedicated filter excludes non-text material (font names, junk that looks like text etc.), so one might guess it is superior. Another angle is the implications for things like Google desktop search, that can use the IFilter I have written. I don't recall if Google looked inside all file types. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 2 18:49:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HNCir-0ggVbs-08-9ZS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:49:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HNCir-0ggVbs-08-9ZS; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:43:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HNCir-0ggVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:43:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HNCim-0007Yb-Sw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:43:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CDFC627542; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20551-08; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5C996279C3; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:39:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D19A627542 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20409-10 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A10D3627151 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l22Iel98007018 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:40:47 GMT In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:41:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > >you have written an OPro search filter. But you can make > >XP search the contents of all files even if they don't have > >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309173 > > Yes I reproduce the facts in the above kb article in the ReadMe in the > IFilter zip file. For things like script files (.csc) using the ability > to extend the extensions searched is probably a good idea. > > For .dpd files, I'd be interested to hear which is best. The dedicated > filter excludes non-text material (font names, junk that looks like text > etc.), so one might guess it is superior. > I generally set the "Index files with unknown extensions" option and assumed this meant if there was a filter it would be used otherwise it assumes it's a text file. So your filter will provide the improved functionality when installed and if not, it will fall back to finding the non-text stuff as well Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. 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From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 2 20:59:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HNEpc-1JE000-05-FzD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:59:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HNEpc-1JE000-05-FzD; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:58:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HNEpc-1JE000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:58:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HNEpc-0004rU-1f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:58:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26A21625DDB; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13123-03; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A474662699A; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:56:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF7896267C5 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12955-05-6 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 761A76262B2 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1HNEor-0003sf-LI for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:57:37 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows Received: from 81.131.39.47 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:57:37 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:57:37 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 310 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 2/3/2007, "David Pilling" wrote: >Hi, > >I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. I might >want to find the last letter I wrote to someone so that I can use it as >a basis for the next one. > Well, FWIW, I add letter in sequence to the name which is often the topic or receiver, e.g. Petea, Peteb, Petec. That puts them in order in the folder/directory. Is that not enough? [snip] Regards Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 2 21:59:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HNFkQ-0qNknw-04-F4P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:59:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HNFkQ-0qNknw-04-F4P; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:57:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HNFkQ-0qNknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:57:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HNFkP-0005cn-UJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 182F1624A5D; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24604-02; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B28D62684D; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:55:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC336624A5D for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24480-01 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79214623FD2 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HNFjh-000Op7-23 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:56:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:54:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Ian Platt writes >>I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. I might >>want to find the last letter I wrote to someone so that I can use it as >Well, FWIW, I add letter in sequence to the name which is often the topic >or receiver, e.g. Petea, Peteb, Petec. >That puts them in order in the folder/directory. Is that not enough? I'm not as organised as you, many of my letters are in numerical order letter1, letter2 etc. and then with desktop search you're looking for any documents that reference a particular subject. In other words if instead of letters to Mr. Smith you wanted to find invoices for widgets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 3 18:36:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HNT9e-3fdVbs-08-ABh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:36:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HNT9e-3fdVbs-08-ABh; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:16:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HNT9e-3fdVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:16:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HNT9d-0007G7-GJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:16:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92084627118; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08736-09; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28463627128; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:14:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:13:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04F54626EB2 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08645-02 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B51D562225F for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1HNT8w-0005V1-AH for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:15:18 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Searching Ovation Pro documents on Windows Received: from 81.131.59.10 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:15:18 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:15:18 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 2/3/2007, "David Pilling" wrote: >In message , Ian Platt > writes >>>I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. I might >>>want to find the last letter I wrote to someone so that I can use it as >>Well, FWIW, I add letter in sequence to the name which is often the topic >>or receiver, e.g. Petea, Peteb, Petec. >>That puts them in order in the folder/directory. Is that not enough? > >I'm not as organised as you, many of my letters are in numerical order >letter1, letter2 etc. and then with desktop search you're looking for >any documents that reference a particular subject. > >In other words if instead of letters to Mr. Smith you wanted to find >invoices for widgets. > Ahh! Got it. Sorry then. Dunno, but Andy seems to know summat. Cheers Ian P. > >-- >David Pilling >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > >