From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:03:11 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GzhBK-0ySGPo-02-9Qj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:03:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GzhBK-0ySGPo-02-9Qj; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:23:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GzhBK-0ySGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:23:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GzhAs-0007O6-Rm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF7AE57C7BE; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29822-02; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29B5D57CB12; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2D4E57C7BE for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29614-03 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E3B157C73D for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2006 22:22:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABKBkkXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACOCQEBCQ4q Received: from 88-105-190-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.190.135]:10233 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GzhA8-000JAZ-5C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:22:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:51:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 946 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > > wrote: > > > The would be because you allowed it to go into a specific user > > > profile directory when you did the install... > > At install I get a choice of where I want the .exe and other crud put, > > but don't get a choice of where the installer puts other stuff(In Docs > > and Settings for example). > Right click Start, Click explore, then explore to appropriate directory, > click item, CTRL-X, explore to All users, explore to appropriate > directory, click CTRL-V > Interesting idea for moving shortcuts from one directory to another. :-) > Know thine enemy. Blimey Steve is that all, I was expecting something sophisticated... Even I know about doing it that way... You haven't considered some applications have links in their configuration that point to the place where the Crud has been deposited... Granted, if I wanted to I could manually go into the configs and repoint, but that's a lot of additional work. And that would make me very Grumpy! Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:03:42 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GziXA-1m7Vbs-07-GbP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:03:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GziXA-1m7Vbs-07-GbP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GziXA-1m7Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GziXA-0001iB-B7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A861557D405; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18670-01-3; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F191F57D4D5; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F37C57D339 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18522-02 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD7B357D31E for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GziWS-0001Bt-PS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:49:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:44:43 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 947 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, > Steven Pampling wrote: > > On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pamplin= g > > > wrote: >=20 > > > > The would be because you allowed it to go into a specific user > > > > profile directory when you did the install... >=20 > > > At install I get a choice of where I want the .exe and other crud p= ut, > > > but don't get a choice of where the installer puts other stuff(In D= ocs > > > and Settings for example). >=20 > > Right click Start, Click explore, then explore to appropriate directo= ry, > > click item, CTRL-X, explore to All users, explore to appropriate > > directory, click CTRL-V >=20 > > Interesting idea for moving shortcuts from one directory to another. = :-) >=20 > > Know thine enemy. >=20 > Blimey Steve is that all, I was expecting something sophisticated... Ev= en > I know about doing it that way... > You haven't considered some applications have links in their configurat= ion > that point to the place where the Crud has been deposited... Granted, i= f I > wanted to I could manually go into the configs and repoint, but that's = a > lot of additional work. And that would make me very Grumpy! You should rejoice in the opportunity to do something new and useful to the rest of mankind. Think of Napier when he invented slide rules and log tables: it must have taken him years to do all the sums for all the numbers. But Napier must have rejoiced in doing this, though he may not have seen quite how useful it was going to be for much of the next 400 years. I cannot believe he would have completed such a project if he was in a continued self-aggrandising grump. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:06:10 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzpdm-3lHVbs-03-9Un.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:06:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzpdm-3lHVbs-03-9Un; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzpdm-3lHVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzpdm-0005St-Gg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA04757D38D; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22664-07; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A03ED57CCFF; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C21E657D38D for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22580-03-10 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B78257D367 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2006 07:24:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKL/kkXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACOCQEBCQ4q Received: from 88-105-200-206.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.200.206]:10121 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gzpaz-0000jR-7m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:22:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:01:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <4e9c2f7bf5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 948 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [Snippy] > You should rejoice in the opportunity to do something new and useful to > the rest of mankind. Think of Napier when he invented slide rules and > log tables: it must have taken him years to do all the sums for all the > numbers. But Napier must have rejoiced in doing this, though he may not > have seen quite how useful it was going to be for much of the next 400 > years. I cannot believe he would have completed such a project if he was > in a continued self-aggrandising grump. No, well yes, erm! The silly b could have save himself a lot of bovver, if he'd invented a computer instead, I mean a proper computer, rather than a loada tables. Then we get to "self aggrandising grump". Whooowooo! big phrases. Actually, I'll let you into a secret... It's all part of the process, part of being a grump means, it's about Me, me me me me me me me! So we get into some me conjugation. You annoy me, They annoy me, She annoys me, He annoys me, The cat annoys me... The list is very long because *almost* everything annoys me. The noise an Oyster make annoys me. Blimey... Even I annoy me. Of course the degree of annoyance varies with each category, and if we are working on a 1 to 10 scale, then things like software writers who write applications, take the money and never finish the product (Oregano 1 and 2 for example) their scale value would probably be 999 out of 10. Some folks here wouldn't ever show on the scale, as I find them helpful, charming and witty. Mr Pilling for example would never present on the annoyance scale, whereas a few others would be way up in the 8/10 area. As for me, myself, I... in most instances I put myself at 7/10 on the annoyance scale, it would be nice to put myself as 10/10 but that really would be living up to your kind epithet. GD ;-) -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:06:27 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzr7b-31J000-03-GXU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:06:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzr7b-31J000-03-GXU; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzr7b-31J000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzr7a-0001E3-JR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC68657D96D; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07981-03; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B091B57CC69; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCCCB57D998 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07796-03 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9720157D95C for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3D9E00011E for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:59:32 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <4e9c338b1bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 949 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > wrote: > > On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > > > wrote: > > > > The would be because you allowed it to go into a specific user > > > > profile directory when you did the install... > > > At install I get a choice of where I want the .exe and other crud > > > put, but don't get a choice of where the installer puts other > > > stuff(In Docs and Settings for example). > > Right click Start, Click explore, then explore to appropriate > > directory, click item, CTRL-X, explore to All users, explore to > > appropriate directory, click CTRL-V > > Interesting idea for moving shortcuts from one directory to another. > > :-) > > Know thine enemy. > Blimey Steve is that all, I was expecting something sophisticated... > Even I know about doing it that way... You haven't considered some > applications have links in their configuration that point to the place > where the Crud has been deposited... Oh, you want to know how to amend the installation file, or even twiddle with **666* THE REGISTRY **666** > Granted, if I wanted to I could > manually go into the configs and repoint, but that's a lot of additional > work. And that would make me very Grumpy! Fascinating stuff. Pays the mortgage. Unfortunately not terribly relevant to this list. OK, slightly so due to the Dark Side version of OP. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:22:37 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzw8R-1v9Vbs-03-BWe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:22:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzw8R-1v9Vbs-03-BWe; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:21:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzw8R-1v9Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:21:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzw8R-0007Qr-EM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:21:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF08E57D9E0; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17630-01; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1772457D9D3; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEEBE57D915 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17450-01 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6094257D912 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gzw7i-000L3H-5Z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:20:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:19:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 950 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >You should rejoice in the opportunity to do something new and useful to >the rest of mankind. Think of Napier when he invented slide rules and >log tables: it must have taken him years to do all the sums for all the >numbers. But Napier must have rejoiced in doing this So did Napier have copyright, software patent etc. on his numbers, and sell "Ye Log Tables 1600" which had some of the bugs fixed so you didn't navigate off the edge of the world as often. The truth is quite interesting: http://www.freewebs.com/keiichi_suzuki/book/napier/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 18:32:46 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzzwu-0BMGPo-01-GEh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:32:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzzwu-0BMGPo-01-GEh; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzzwu-0BMGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzzwt-0003to-Qs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28C1057DC18; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21318-02; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F21A57DD2B; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7176057DC18 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21085-01 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CC8C57D05C for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GzzwB-000J3Y-Br for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:24:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 951 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006). This has three changes: (1) Support for memory addresses beyond 2GB - to 3GB. (2) Fix for the problem Clive Bonsall had with the SRWE applet - i.e. mishandling the {'Delete} macro (3) Fix for a bug rendering Draw files which Colin Brockie discovered - things go wrong if a line has coincident points. I'd not bother with this upgrade unless the above matter to you. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 21:22:55 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H02Yt-4FU000-05-Dci.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:22:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H02Yt-4FU000-05-Dci; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:13:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H02Yt-4FU000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:13:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H02Yt-0004YQ-C8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D7C057D941; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32660-06; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A0A057BA4F; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CE6C57D941 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32241-04-3 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E04557CD27 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H02YB-0001lN-0n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <9DlDWpD+LDlFFwQ9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:11:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 952 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >I've uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006). This >has three changes: I forgot the link: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe and for changes: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/changes.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 16:05:17 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0KBs-1plGPo-05-D2l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:05:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0KBs-1plGPo-05-D2l; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0KBs-1plGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0KBs-0003IL-80 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15C0657D151; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27012-05; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D77E957CFC6; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25F5457D084 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26754-01-3 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B9EC57D246 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcpython.demon.co.uk ([83.104.45.130] helo=iyonix.retreat.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0KB8-0005Lb-3z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:01:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Malcolm Cowell X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:02 GMT Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Well, I cannot scan transparencies with Iyonix/DPScan with Epson Perfection 1660 - the transparency light does not come on. Have had the scanner for ages - scans OK in normal mode (subject to the USB workarounds) but, though it goes through the scan routine - progress bar showing scan - there is nothing to view because the light does not come on. The usual light stays on and travels over the scan platform. Where should I be looking for the cause of the problem? -- Malcolm Cowell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:05:20 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0L83-3pw000-06-C6a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:05:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0L83-3pw000-06-C6a; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0L83-3pw000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0L83-00009m-Bx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D93E57CD14; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10984-05; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D26557D135; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D2E157D8FB for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10613-05-7 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E66657D889 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0L7L-000AvF-Ji for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:03 +0000 Message-ID: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:00:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 954 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Malcolm Cowell writes >Well, I cannot scan transparencies with Iyonix/DPScan with Epson >Perfection 1660 - the transparency light does not come on. >Where should I be looking for the cause of the problem? e.g. On some Epsons you have to remove a panel from the lid to reveal the top light. It is common for the connecting lead between the lid and the scanner to have come unplugged. Software - the software needs to tell the scanner to scan in transparency mode. Presumably you are ticking the right box, but what then? If you click on preview then transparency preview scans must be set up. If you click on any sort of predefined scan which does not have the transparency flag set then a non-transparency scan will take place. Finally, there is a question over which version of the scanner driver you have. There were problems in the early days with the newer Epsons. I'd better send you the latest version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:35:19 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0LTu-0jpVbs-02-Bkj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0LTu-0jpVbs-02-Bkj; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0LTu-0jpVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0LTt-0006eR-Tc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E296857DEAA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16956-06-7; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B194057DEA9; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9CB957DEAA for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16774-09 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65E5F57DE34 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-139-54.as15444.net [82.163.139.54]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBTHOPd3003057 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:24:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS Message-ID: <4e9cec9e66john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 955 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > On some Epsons you have to remove a panel from the lid to reveal the top > light. > It is common for the connecting lead between the lid and the scanner to > have come unplugged. > Software - the software needs to tell the scanner to scan in > transparency mode. Presumably you are ticking the right box, but what > then? If you click on preview then transparency preview scans must be > set up. If you click on any sort of predefined scan which does not have > the transparency flag set then a non-transparency scan will take place. > Finally, there is a question over which version of the scanner driver > you have. There were problems in the early days with the newer Epsons. > I'd better send you the latest version. One more thing I found when I first scanned slides that might catch people out (though it might be different on the 1660, mine is a 2400). The slideholder strip has a gap at one end that lets light through, and I assume is used to calibrate the brightness. If you put the strip the wrong way round, the detector can't see the light here, assumes the light is very dim, and winds the wick up, so you get an almost white image. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:35:20 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0LVc-08qVbs-07-Bj1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0LVc-08qVbs-07-Bj1; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:27:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0LVc-08qVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:27:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0LVb-0002L3-Js for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:27:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A012657DEDA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17329-01; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B61C57DEB7; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E30CA57DE34 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17104-04-9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D52F57DEA9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcpython.demon.co.uk ([83.104.45.130] helo=iyonix.retreat.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0LUt-000Fo6-Ja for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:26:23 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Malcolm Cowell X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:26:30 GMT Message-ID: <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 956 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message , Malcolm Cowell > writes >>Well, I cannot scan transparencies with Iyonix/DPScan with Epson >>Perfection 1660 - the transparency light does not come on. >>Where should I be looking for the cause of the problem? > > e.g. > > On some Epsons you have to remove a panel from the lid to reveal the top > light. > > It is common for the connecting lead between the lid and the scanner to > have come unplugged. > > Software - the software needs to tell the scanner to scan in > transparency mode. Presumably you are ticking the right box, but what > then? If you click on preview then transparency preview scans must be > set up. If you click on any sort of predefined scan which does not have > the transparency flag set then a non-transparency scan will take place. > > Finally, there is a question over which version of the scanner driver > you have. There were problems in the early days with the newer Epsons. > I'd better send you the latest version. > All OK with latest version of Epson GT software: majorversion:2 minorversion:12 just received from David by email, as opposed to the one I was attempting to use: majorversion:2 minorversion:10 Brilliant. Thank you. -- Malcolm Cowell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:35:21 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0LZ6-01nGPo-08-BfX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0LZ6-01nGPo-08-BfX; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:30:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0LZ6-01nGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:30:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0LZ5-0006N0-LM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:30:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87EDC57DF0A; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18245-04; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4112D57DF04; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1046757DF0A for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18000-03-3 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A8BE57DEDB for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061229172959.IYRN28196.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:59 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20061229172959.OPAJ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 957 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry if you get two of these - I just realised I posted to the old = address. Here's a duplicate: Hello, David, I have a program which produces a simple DDL file of the form STORY_001=3D{story=20 "TITLE" {newpara} {endoftext} } which I then drop into a master OvationPro document to produce the = finished work. This works fine but I would like to enhance the DDL file to contain = embedded lines. I was hoping that the following would work: RULE_001=3D{line {thickness 2000} {fcurve {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}} } STORY_001=3D{story=20 "TITLE" {newpara} {embed RULE_001} {newpara} {endoftext} } but it gives Type 5 errors when dropped into a document. I have tried = various other arrangements but without success. Is there some way I can = achieve what I was aiming for? Seasonal Greetings John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry if you get two of these - I = just=20 realised I posted to the old address.  Here's a=20 duplicate:
 
 
Hello, David,
 
I have a program which produces = a simple DDL=20 file of the form
 
STORY_001=3D{story=20 =
"TITLE"
{newpara}
{endoftext}
}
 
which I then drop into a master = OvationPro document=20 to produce the finished work.
 
This works fine but I would = like to=20 enhance the DDL file to contain embedded lines.  I was hoping that = the=20 following would work:

RULE_001=3D{line
{thickness = 2000}
{fcurve=20 {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}}
}
 
STORY_001=3D{story
"TITLE"
{newpara}
{embed=20 = RULE_001}
{newpara}
{endoftext}
}
 
but it gives Type 5 errors when dropped = into a=20 document.  I have tried various other arrangements but without=20 success.  Is there some way I can achieve what I was aiming=20 for?
 
Seasonal Greetings
John Grogan
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 22:25:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0Q38-1Muknw-08-Fi1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:25:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0Q38-1Muknw-08-Fi1; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0Q38-1Muknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0Q38-0003HB-2f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE41957DFED; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28123-01; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 819EF57E043; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6222E57DED9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27835-03 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F6A857C3C9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0Q2O-0006yn-51 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:17:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:16:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS References: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 958 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm Cowell writes >All OK with latest version of Epson GT software: majorversion:2 >minorversion:12 just received from David by email, as opposed to the >one I was attempting to use: majorversion:2 >minorversion:10 The situation with the Epson driver is mixed up. There has been a lot of tinkering with it to deal with bugs, oddities of various models of scanner, the dual USB systems (both Simtec and Castle have had a go at the code), and adding new USB id codes. All against the background of the vanishing market. In other words, business as usual, there are no version numbers worth bothering with and no log of changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 15:04:51 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1284-2PXGPo-04-Bj9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:04:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1284-2PXGPo-04-Bj9; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1284-2PXGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1284-0005R2-5H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74EEA57E90F; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04193-07-10; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06D6757E998; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A7DE57E90F for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04014-02-2 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B16657E95D for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H127M-000BRt-99 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:56:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:55:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 959 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. The link is: http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 15:14:52 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H12IB-0Pq000-02-BZ2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:14:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H12IB-0Pq000-02-BZ2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H12IB-0Pq000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H12IB-0004Z5-0H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DC4057D7D2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06501-03-10; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A19257DE25; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2523E57DC60 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06297-07 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6BE757DBF4 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H12HS-000I2E-Gg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:07:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 960 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > The link is: > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one > since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a > compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. Thank you. A good New Year present. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 15:34:53 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H12bq-0ALknw-08-BFN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:34:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H12bq-0ALknw-08-BFN; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H12bq-0ALknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H12bq-0000jI-JW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B027B57DF69; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10460-02; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F97657DF5B; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11B7E57DF69 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10301-02 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 904C057DF68 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061231152742.LYLF18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:27:42 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.4.4.147]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061231152742.BFEK29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:27:42 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:29:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 961 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, > >> I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > >> The link is: > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > >> Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one >> since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a >> compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > >> Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. > > Thank you. A good New Year present. > Yes David a big thank you and all the best for the new year Alan -- Rev. Dr. Alan G.C.Leighton Priory Lodge, 86b Church Lane Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 17:14:59 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H14Cq-1Ic000-06-9eN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:14:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H14Cq-1Ic000-06-9eN; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H14Cq-1Ic000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H14Cm-0007Tm-Ki for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6073C57D0F8; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31653-02-6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 153C257D52A; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 719A657CC5E for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31387-05 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF49157D126 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H14C1-000B1I-6K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:09:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:08:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 962 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan=20 writes >This works fine but I=A0would like=A0to enhance the DDL file to contain em= bedded >lines.=A0 I was hoping that the following would work: > RULE_001=3D{line > {thickness 2000} > {fcurve {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}} > } > =A0 > STORY_001=3D{story > "TITLE" > {newpara} > {embed RULE_001} > {newpara} > {endoftext} > } It won't work - you've discovered that. It can't work though. DDL works=20 by having a current context, a point in the document at which activity=20 takes place. When you drop the above DDL into a text frame the point is set to the=20 text frame. So creating text there with the story command makes sense. However what you do is create a line, the context then shifts to be that=20 line. If you save a document with lines embedded in text stories the lines are=20 created, then the text frame, then the story. I've long felt that DDL should be extended so that there are commands=20 that let you move to a point in a document, or apply new values to an=20 existing object. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 17:24:59 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H14Ia-0NGknw-07-9Yd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:24:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H14Ia-0NGknw-07-9Yd; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H14Ia-0NGknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H14IZ-0007JM-VZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B99B57D74E; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00505-01; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED63357DADB; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF3B57D511 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32755-02 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04C7857D30D for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.132.12.90] by mxout5.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JB500DWQEME7I30@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:15:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:17:50 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 963 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > > The link is: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > > Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one > since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like > a compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > > Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. Many thanks, David! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il From rkp@par.me.uk Sun Dec 31 18:35:00 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H15RN-2v9knw-07-GwM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H15RN-2v9knw-07-GwM; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H15RN-2v9knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:49 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H15RM-00030O-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:48 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-206-70.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.206.70]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DEAE000177 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:48 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:00:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e9df7559erkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > ...... Many thanks. Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 18:45:00 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H15X1-3tFknw-02-Gqi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:45:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H15X1-3tFknw-02-Gqi; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H15X1-3tFknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H15X1-0006hf-31 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 465E057D7CB; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18569-02; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11CFF57D4B6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8574357D7CB for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18359-03 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C331057D1C6 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H15WI-0000Li-GS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:34:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:33:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS References: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 964 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I get the picture, there's interest in RISC OS stuff... I hope you have a good New Year. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 19:05:01 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H15t1-4eDknw-03-GUi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:05:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H15t1-4eDknw-03-GUi; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H15t1-4eDknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H15t0-0002cN-Cm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9461957E811; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23390-01-7; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 527CB57E1F6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DB9B57E203 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23163-01 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04B9F57DF42 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061231185737.QVFO18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:57:37 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20061231185736.OESL219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:57:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:57:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 965 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pilling" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:08 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files > > In message <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan > writes > >This works fine but I would like to enhance the DDL file to contain > >embedded > >lines. I was hoping that the following would work: > > RULE_001={line > > {thickness 2000} > > {fcurve {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}} > > } > > STORY_001={story > > "TITLE" > > {newpara} > > {embed RULE_001} > > {newpara} > > {endoftext} > > } > > It won't work - you've discovered that. It can't work though. DDL works by > having a current context, a point in the document at which activity takes > place. > > When you drop the above DDL into a text frame the point is set to the text > frame. So creating text there with the story command makes sense. > > However what you do is create a line, the context then shifts to be that > line. > > If you save a document with lines embedded in text stories the lines are > created, then the text frame, then the story. > > I've long felt that DDL should be extended so that there are commands that > let you move to a point in a document, or apply new values to an existing > object. > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 Thanks, David. I had a feeling you were going to say something like that! Two possible thoughts: (a) could DDL be changed to allow in-line definitions e.g. {embed {line <..data..>}} (b) I tried putting the line definition in the DDL file for the master document but it wasn't recognised when I tried to reference it from the dropped-in DDL. Would it be possible to allow this? As a further line of thought - I think it relates to your last comment - would it be possible to permit multiple "embed" references to a single object? Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 19:45:05 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H16XX-0ssVbs-04-FqC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:45:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H16XX-0ssVbs-04-FqC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H16XX-0ssVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H16XX-00036Q-6b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A6FD57D986; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32482-10; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A56A57D9D2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD8B557D986 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32285-01-6 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id AFA8C57D71B for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34587 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 19:39:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hQESXfFyYfLNlk4DTo3JVqkYKl6vN4/f5MN7P3SubVbiSwpBTjwM8BYMJZxqvFEaigvONLVV5gihvDCB7ykCBf1HlOd/nfjunt1TFFG55Zn4ufDy+GRJSmb8i5ta4VspEQKtyTIcOeQEc8K72w3IQD+zzsBmrM/ZkhC0STqQdSk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.btopenworld.com) (doug.j.webb@btinternet.com@86.144.226.35 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 19:39:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ho6kPJQVM1n..lG5.NkMjTijHsJFLOBTbObw_h4w2j_SvYASITQh6YFwgo._1NaBkwpUllVmnOPp_21_1xW32Tu3G6plflnZp4vgfGgIr4wFw6gypZmcqKOeBKiOHWdk7cKIswbPFlMQUicEQVxww.ofS30- Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:39:20 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 966 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > > The link is: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > > Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one > since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a > compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > > Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. > > David, Thank you for yet another update. Happy 07 Doug -- Using a Iyonix PC 512Mb, RISC OS5.12, !NetFetch & !MessengerPro. All based on UK technology, No Microsoft Windows here From tim@powys.org Sun Dec 31 19:55:06 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H16jf-2NDknw-06-Fe4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:55:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H16jf-2NDknw-06-Fe4; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H16jf-2NDknw-06 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H16jf-00003F-CF for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H16je-0003XW-J7 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:49:49 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <6a5e019e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message of 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I get the picture, there's interest in RISC OS stuff... > > I hope you have a good New Year. And a good one to you. Can I add my chorus to the hopefully long list of thanks for the continued support of ImageMaster? And these days I would cheerfully pay a reasonable annual fee for such support. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 14:08:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1Nha-3YYknw-04-FjB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:08:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1Nha-3YYknw-04-FjB; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:59:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1Nha-3YYknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:59:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1NZS-0006wO-I4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84C5957DD64; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32583-02-4; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41D4B57DD9A; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B07D757DC11 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32238-01 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E0E857D9A4 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H1NYd-000LFn-8q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:50:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:49:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan writes >Two possible thoughts: >(a) could DDL be changed to allow in-line definitions e.g. > {embed {line <..data..>}} That works on the Windows version. It fits in with the syntax and it made life a lot easier when handling embedded graphics in RTF files. >(b) I tried putting the line definition in the DDL file for the master >document > but it wasn't recognised when I tried to reference it from the >dropped-in > DDL. Would it be possible to allow this? That's really going back to my idea about allowing commands in the DDL to move around - Another approach would be some way of finding the object id of a given object. >As a further line of thought - I think it relates to your last comment >- would >it be possible to permit multiple "embed" references to a single object? My last comment was a way of saying make this frame pink. I guess embed acts like a cut command destroying the original non-embedded object. There's a parallel with pictures, if a picture is used in more than one place, then more than one instance of it is made. You'll see this sort of thing in the DDL. PICTURE101=PICTURE100 This doesn't actually copy all the data, it just bumps up a count of the number of times the object is used. So that only when all instances have been finished with does the thing get deleted. I'm not sure if the counting etc. that goes on with pictures is supported for all object types. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 14:48:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1OLe-14GVbs-02-F57.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:48:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1OLe-14GVbs-02-F57; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:41:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1OLe-14GVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:41:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1OKj-0002Xd-Jq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:40:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 614F657D387; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11885-04; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28FA257CD66; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FE1E57D67E for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11184-01 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B33E57D1C6 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H1OHr-0008Hs-75 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:37:15 +0000 Received: from [82.33.200.41] (helo=iyonixpc.workgroup) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H1OHq-0004Ji-RU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:37:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:27:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e9e67b23fjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 968 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David, My thanks too and Happy New Year wishes from someone else who appreciates your efforts. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 15:38:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1PDO-3c7Vbs-04-EDN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:38:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1PDO-3c7Vbs-04-EDN; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:36:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1PDO-3c7Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:36:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1P6E-0005tV-Ql for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:29:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D79357D93F; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24719-02; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22B8F57DC33; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D1757D93F for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24583-02 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A26857D647 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070101152829.UBHV28196.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:28:29 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070101152829.NTFZ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:28:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:28:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 969 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Pilling" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:49 PM >Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files > > In message <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan > writes >>Two possible thoughts: >>(a) could DDL be changed to allow in-line definitions e.g. >> {embed {line <..data..>}} > > That works on the Windows version. It fits in with the syntax and it > made life a lot easier when handling embedded graphics in RTF files. > Hello, David, Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest for me to implement in my software creating DDL files - I would imagine for the same reason that you found this best for RTF. Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to the list of RiscOS enhancements? Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 21:58:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1VAJ-1XVVbs-06-Gmy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:58:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1VAJ-1XVVbs-06-Gmy; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1VAJ-1XVVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1VAJ-0000lD-Di for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62E2E57E1A3; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01689-02; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CCCF57E903; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C10757E8A0 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01513-04 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC2E57E216 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H1V9a-0009V7-IM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:10 +0000 Message-ID: <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:55:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 970 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan writes >Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest >for me to implement in my software creating DDL files - I would >imagine for the same reason that you found this best for RTF. > >Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to >the list of RiscOS enhancements? I'll have a look, I don't think it was a big change anyway. I've not forgotten about doing the RTF loader for RISC OS. Unfortunately the week after that subject last came up the hard disc on my RISC PC threw a wobbly, and I bought one of those Seagate 80GB drives that don't work with RISC PCs... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 5 11:59:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H2abd-3K2000-07-91G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:59:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H2abd-3K2000-07-91G; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H2abd-3K2000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H2abb-00058M-0V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82ED45817B4; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16379-05; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53B1458193B; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 670EB5817B4 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16089-05-8 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3474B581639 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H2aaq-000Fx1-2r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:57:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:57:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 971 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >>Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest >>Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to >I'll have a look, I don't think it was a big change anyway. OK, I've added this feature to Ovation Pro for RISC OS. I've uploaded a new patch program to 2.77 4th. January 2007. See: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Just in case anyone is wondering the sole new feature in this version is the ability to create objects in DDL files within the scope of the embed operator. So only of interest to programmers until someone uses the new feature, users need not worry. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 5 12:00:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H2do2-0Lgknw-03-ELN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:00:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H2do2-0Lgknw-03-ELN; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:23:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H2do2-0Lgknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:23:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H2do2-0001S4-8Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:23:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34F4F5821AF; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18200-02; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9434582156; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB5885821CD for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17686-10 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4AC35821C3 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070105012252.OEDM28196.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:22:52 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070105012252.UXFK26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:22:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c73068$0490d0c0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:22:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 972 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files > In message <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes >>>Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest > >>>Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to > >>I'll have a look, I don't think it was a big change anyway. > > OK, I've added this feature to Ovation Pro for RISC OS. I've uploaded a > new patch program to 2.77 4th. January 2007. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > > Just in case anyone is wondering the sole new feature in this version is > the ability to create objects in DDL files within the scope of the embed > operator. So only of interest to programmers until someone uses the new > feature, users need not worry. > Hello, David, Brilliant! You're a STAR! Works with pictures too! Many thanks for your incredible sevice. Kind regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 6 18:40:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3GNZ-2SYknw-04-9ru.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:40:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3GNZ-2SYknw-04-9ru; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:34:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3GNZ-2SYknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:34:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3GNY-0005zb-2b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:34:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27ABD582DE3; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15433-01; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CE56582DFA; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53F0D585D92 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14914-04 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3539A585D4A for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47468 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 18:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@86.146.55.38 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 18:33:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4GjpVHkVM1mmzCgCzgWeZS2aDcoGkQCBlRhEV7YMnM7TwR4ULJZMQN_GCjyygChR3YwB._OGwnc9WyW0OUVF.vd2hV9zy78hr8L3FkmR15JLTuy7Osg- Message-ID: <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:33:51 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 973 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block of text? For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove one of those effects and leave the others in place? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 6 20:50:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3IOB-0LC000-02-GNo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:50:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3IOB-0LC000-02-GNo; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3IOB-0LC000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3IOA-0003V4-Je for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31106585B61; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19638-03; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCE43584198; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61D22585BF9 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19169-03 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5850A585BBB for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41093 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 20:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.157.242.211 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 20:42:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u2KNXSgVM1k6SwQcE8FfS6V1XgLC3Ix46KApH.a8gR5hmq8ZPgE3UfOZZqg9Ftw1zsrG_x9qtZc8cEtbTu2hQp4pMep.bNld6dSHCiPbGndykmSLFYc- Message-ID: <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:42:47 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block > of text? > > For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. > italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove one > of those effects and leave the others in place? > I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of text containing many examples of each effect, such that it would be very tedious to remove each instance of an effect manually. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 6 21:00:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3IYf-0IgGPo-05-GDK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:00:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3IYf-0IgGPo-05-GDK; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:54:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3IYf-0IgGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:54:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3IYe-0000hM-Ed for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:54:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 473FF585E18; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22418-04-9; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3075585E4F; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:52:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3842D585E3E for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22303-01-6 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B48C8585E2D for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3IXr-000CwU-5J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:53:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 975 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects > > from a block of text? > I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of > text containing many examples of each effect, such that it > would be very tedious to remove each instance of an effect > manually. If you perform the action used to apply the effect to a block of text in which that effect is used in places but not throughout, it will apply it to the /whole/ block. You can then perform the same action again to toggle the effect, i.e. to /remove/ it from the whole block. e.g. for the line of text 123456789, with 345 in italic and the rest in roman: i) Select all of 123456789 ii) ctrl-I to change all of 123456789 to italic iii) ctrl-I again to change all back to roman From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3RDe-1lDGPo-02-G4r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3RDe-1lDGPo-02-G4r; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:09:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3RDe-1lDGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:09:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3RDe-0001GH-0Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:09:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311DC586EC7; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11748-02; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00FC0586E4A; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A5C0586EC7 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11506-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D2A586E49 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.199.155] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H3KI3-000NbT-En for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:45:27 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Exporting Artworks image from OvPro RISC OS 2.77 to OvProW 2.92 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:36:05 GMT Message-ID: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 976 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dear All, Is this possible? I tried saving the graphic as a bitmap, using one of the save option proferred by Artworks (booted up selecting and using the OLE), but the resultant file was rejected by windows XP. Saving as !Draw worked well - but why not a bitmap? I am advised Firstly you can (on RISC OS) export the Artworks files from Ovation Pro and convert them into sprites and then reimport the sprites into Ovation Pro and finally take the document to Windows. Artworks can save graphics as sprites. There is at least one free program that can convert Artworks files to sprites. Secondly in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, it is possible to set up a proxy image (Picture menu) for the Artworks images, then take the document to Windows and the proxy will be used. Since you're going to use the proxy image as the production image choose proxy settings that give enough resolution. I am sure these are right but would prefer to just move an OvPro/dpd from one platform to another. What is the best route? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3U3u-28YVbs-08-DEb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3U3u-28YVbs-08-DEb; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:11:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3U3u-28YVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:11:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3U3u-0000CP-AZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:11:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65DE0587320; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23708-03; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E86EF586414; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:09:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9F79587312 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23593-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 874CC586414 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF080E0001FD for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 977 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 06 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block > > of text? > > > > For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. > > italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove > > one of those effects and leave the others in place? > > > I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of text > containing many examples of each effect, such that it would be very > tedious to remove each instance of an effect manually. Peter is suggesting highlighting the blocks of effect text adding and then removing. It is actually easier to select the effect text and *right-click* the effect item in the menu to remove the effect (a lot easier) However I suspect you have a sizable document and many small instances of the effect so:- Save the document as DDL and the effects will be clearly visible as text items like this: *************************** STORY_115={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01}{bold 1} "For example, if in a block " {bold} "of text several effects are set (e.g. " {bold 0}{italic 1} "italics" {bold 1}{italic} "," {bold} " " {super 1}{sub 0} "superscript" {sub} ", space before), is there a simple way to remove one of those effects and " "leave the others in place?" {newpara} } ***************************** In the text above to remove superscript all through the exported text do a search and replace in the text editor of your choice and replace {super 1}{sub 0} with nothing and replace {sub} with nothing. Replace {italic 1} and {italic} with nothing to remove italic effect. Replace {bold 1} and {bold} with nothing to remove italic effect. Take the edited DDL and drop it onto OvPro and then save. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3VrP-14QGPo-01-BR6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3VrP-14QGPo-01-BR6; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3VrP-14QGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3VrN-0001lw-Be for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D03C586874; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19163-02; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1299158693D; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 187A058693E for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18904-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6386B586831 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94833 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 11:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 11:05:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lh8u6ZgVM1k6sHlglBjVj.qwmnLx7yevwv0lJ90rQ5LS4A_L98q3ztYEWYNAbvS_IDgOGcOGplJBFAal6jJrnBT4fIbru2O5nv9HnDwXR2._3krv6IM- Message-ID: <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:05:52 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 978 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Peter Newble wrote: > In article <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > wrote: >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects >>> from a block of text? > >> I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of >> text containing many examples of each effect, such that it >> would be very tedious to remove each instance of an effect >> manually. > > If you perform the action used to apply the effect to a block of > text in which that effect is used in places but not throughout, > it will apply it to the /whole/ block. You can then perform the > same action again to toggle the effect, i.e. to /remove/ it from > the whole block. Thanks, I knew about that --- perhaps I gave misleading examples. Let me try again ... First, I should have made clear that I'm using OPW, tho' I guess the same applies to OP (RiscOS) The real problem is not with effects like ITALIC, SUPERSCRIPT, etc., but with text formatting effects entered via the dialogue box --- e.g. extra line space before/after, extra leading --- applied to blocks of text. I have a large document in which (to one section) extra line spaces (in various point sizes) have been applied before or after a number of different blocks of text (don't ask ...). I want to remove ALL those extra line spaces and start again, without removing other effects in the document such as ITALICS, SUPERSCRIPT, etc. Initially, I thought the way to do this would be to select the whole of the affected section and apply 0 space before & 0 space after. This appears not to work. For example, create an OPW document with four short paragraphs. Select paragraph 1 and apply . Select para 2 and apply . Select para 3 and apply . Select para 4 and apply . Then save the document. Re-open the document, select all four paragraphs and open the Modify Format dialogue (Menu>Text>Format) --- the and boxes will be blank. Type 0pt into each box and click OK. Re-select the four paragraphs and open the Modify Format dialogue --- the box shows 0pt, but the box is still blank and, clearly, the extra line spaces have not all been removed from the selected text. What is the solution to this problem? Steven Pampling suggests editing the DDL file. Well, yes, been there, done that ... many times. Yesterday evening, I spent an hour-and-a-half editing the DDL fle in Notepad to remove all references to {spacebefore...} and {spaceafter...} --- and I can confirm that it is extremely laborious (and for some reason I don't understand, find/replace in Notepad is extremely slow even on relatively small OPW(DDL) files). I also noticed that there was lots of redundant code in the DDL (numerous examples of {spacebefore}{spaceafter}, {colourvalue...}, etc., doing nothing very much) --- the cumulative result of frequent line space and text colour changes during the editing of the original OPW document. Is there no other way of stripping out this redundant code (I.E. like cleaning up HTML), and no other way of doing a global removal of line spaces added as effects (i.e. external to user-created styles)? Or am I asking for too much ... ? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Vwp-27hVbs-06-BLg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Vwp-27hVbs-06-BLg; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Vwp-27hVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Vwo-0007Np-Le for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AC9586AC2; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20323-01-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED2A4586AF0; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD5F15869C4 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20183-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 1433C586985 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21456 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 11:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 11:11:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QhWm.aUVM1mn_pwpaRMISIgKuaQ_pcQ.sLbtBXbBFyXCR1n6e8ecTFNPyoXmNcllehGTk8F_UyTvC62T6cf3h0TQy4O9oX7Ca6tuG8f9zDd2SEPYCvk- Message-ID: <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:11:33 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 979 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Steven Pampling wrote: > On 06 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block >>> of text? >>> >>> For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. >>> italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove >>> one of those effects and leave the others in place? >>> >> I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of text >> containing many examples of each effect, such that it would be very >> tedious to remove each instance of an effect manually. > > Peter is suggesting highlighting the blocks of effect text adding and then > removing. It is actually easier to select the effect text and *right-click* > the effect item in the menu to remove the effect (a lot easier) Should have said I'm using OPW ... right-click doesn't work, and the effects menu is limited to things like Italics, Bold, etc. > However I suspect you have a sizable document and many small instances of > the effect so:- > > Save the document as DDL and the effects will be clearly visible as text > items > Take the edited DDL and drop it onto OvPro and then save. Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming (see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 12:04:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Wgr-1D9000-07-Abe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:04:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Wgr-1D9000-07-Abe; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Wgr-1D9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Wgr-00061o-9x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1256F586B97; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31880-01; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95423586BA2; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 782245869A1 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31749-05-4 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5C70586B03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3Wg9-0005vt-7N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:57:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 980 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming >(see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. A few comments none of which may be helpful. Editing speed. There are many free and faster editors than notepad for Windows. The one at: http://www.catch22.net/ springs to mind - although I have not tried that one. You could also change the extension on the DDL file from .ddl to .txt and import into Ovation Pro, do the editing and then save as text, change the extension back to .ddl I think that when DDL files are loaded back into Ovation Pro redundant effect changes are removed. If you had used styles then things would be easier. I suppose at this stage one could use an editor to replace the effects with user styles in DDL, but it does depend on how consistent the use of effects is. When an effect shows blank for the value it means there isn't a single value in use across a selected area of text. In this situation a double application usually turns off an effect, one click to make the whole selected area bold, a second to make the whole selection not bold. Finally I'm sorry there obviously is a shortcoming here. Possibly search and replace with the ability to handle effects would be the solution. Another idea would be to have three-state buttons in the effects dialogues (text, format etc.) (just like in the equivalent dialogues for user styles). I suspect this was not done in the first place to make things look simpler. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 13:44:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3YGf-4Hiknw-04-91q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:44:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3YGf-4Hiknw-04-91q; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3YGf-4Hiknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3YGf-0001cK-2x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13B92586BBB; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27002-01-11; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E536F586C25; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CE0158670D for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26809-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44E04586639 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3YFv-000Jw1-Fu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea17a609dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 981 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > The real problem is not with effects like ITALIC, SUPERSCRIPT, > etc., but with text formatting effects entered via the > dialogue box --- e.g. extra line space > before/after, extra leading --- applied to blocks of text. I > have a large document in which (to one section) extra line > spaces (in various point sizes) have been applied before or > after a number of different blocks of text (don't ask ...). I > want to remove ALL those extra line spaces and start again, > without removing other effects in the document such as > ITALICS, SUPERSCRIPT, etc. > Initially, I thought the way to do this would be to select the > whole of the affected section and apply 0 space before & 0 > space after. In my experience, it won't, provided that some of that selection of text already has the spacing you're trying to apply. If you apply a spacing which currently doesn't apply to /any/ of the selection, that will successfully apply it to all of it, then, once again, you can apply a spacing of 0 to all of it. But that's not the answer really, because now you've got a block of text which has an effect (of 0) applied (therefore overriding underlying styles) when really you wanted to remove the effect. Eight years after moving from Impression Publisher Plus to Ovation Pro for RISC OS, the one thing I still occasionally miss about Impression is its ability to treat effects as styles -- not often, because I'm now much more disciplined in my use of styles, and use effects much less, but there are times when a one-off effect makes more sense than the use of a style and it's frustrating that the only way to get rid of some effects (except at DDL level) is to remove /all/ effects from a selection. Also in Impression, as far as I can remember, one could experiment with effects on a piece of text then make those effects into a style, which could then be edited in the style editor and/or applied to other text. That's less easy to achieve in Ovation Pro. In article , David Pilling wrote: > Another idea would be to have three-state buttons in the > effects dialogues (text, format etc.) (just like in the > equivalent dialogues for user styles). I suspect this was not > done in the first place to make things look simpler. That would be an excellent idea in the 'Modify text'and 'Modify text format' dialogue boxes. It couldn't work in the same way using menus to select/change effects, but then Windows menus seem to be less flexible for this kind of thing than RISC OS menus anyway. An extra button next to each effect in those two dialogue boxes (e.g. for leading, tracking, etc.) to /remove/ the effect from the caret/selection would be good too, but that would add a lot more clutter. Maybe it could be an 'expert' option in 'Choices', choosing between either simple or comprehensive effects dialogue boxes (i.e., in RISC OS terms, choosing between pairs of templates)? Or it could be selected by a radio button, off by default, at the bottom of each dialogue box, to expand the window to show the extra options. Another option might be a function to provide a summary in the manner of an HTML form, listing all effects used at the caret or in the current selection, e.g. Text: Italic Bold Foreground blue Size 18pt Size 24pt Tracking 50 Tracking 100 V shift 25% Text format: Alignment Centre Alignment Right Leading 50% Leading +6pt with a tick box next to each item and the option to remove the ticked items. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 14:14:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Ykv-3EOknw-06-8Xa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:14:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Ykv-3EOknw-06-8Xa; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Ykv-3EOknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Ykt-0003lo-8q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46839586C6D; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03599-04-4; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7FE6586E41; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB5BD586DDB for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03440-04 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6EDF586DD0 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3YkB-0000aO-4C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:11:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:10:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting Artworks image from OvPro RISC OS 2.77 to OvProW 2.92 References: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 982 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk>, charles writes >proferred by Artworks (booted up selecting and using the OLE), but the >resultant file was rejected by windows XP. How was it rejected? e.g. an error message? >I am sure these are right but would prefer to just move an OvPro/dpd >from one platform to another. Well the proxy thing will give you a document that works on both platforms and automatically uses the best quality image available. Another aspect is that if you convert to a bitmap you are going to use a lot more memory and probably get less resolution. As long as converting to Draw does not lose you features (like fills or transparency) then Draw is good choice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 15:24:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Zs5-0NJ000-01-Fww.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:24:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Zs5-0NJ000-01-Fww; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Zs5-0NJ000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Zs4-0004Ym-Mh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9013586CC3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24279-05-6; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5FFB586721; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7335867CB for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24127-08-6 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5B44F586B61 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49562 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 15:22:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j5d_.GUVM1nKYQsBbRzaEcKQ5MfVimS1600T2lytadRPSQc0JsT5DZP3Ukd1T4P5ILcUZw6206F5AsRm5JSRfPaPA2YKXpTEbaLizdA.3i1aNfQ3fe.1yFCGliSnMQZv3Q1fpbUwLsD__E_9FFG8o5r3StG7GNVW Message-ID: <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:22:54 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 983 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming >> (see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. > > > A few comments none of which may be helpful. They are ... thanks. > Editing speed ... > You could also change the extension on the DDL file from .ddl to .txt > and import into Ovation Pro, do the editing and then save as text, > change the extension back to .ddl Hadn't thought of that. One problem I've discovered, OPW's Search & Replace facility won't allow strings like {italic 1} in the search field (tho' notepad will). What is the way around that? > I think that when DDL files are loaded back into Ovation Pro redundant > effect changes are removed. You may be right. I haven't managed to generate any redundant effects this morning, so can't test it. > If you had used styles then things would be easier. I suppose at this > stage one could use an editor to replace the effects with user styles in > DDL, but it does depend on how consistent the use of effects is. I know ... 20/20 hindsight, etc. But I've hit a problem when trying to replace the italics effect with my own user-defined style (apart from the search & replace problem, that is). ISTM that when you apply italics as an effect, only one thing changes, i.e. normal text becomes italic (everything else --- point size, leading, etc. --- remains the same); the effect is simply overlaid on the existing style, and this is so wherever in the document you happen to be. Is it possible to create an Italics style that behaves in exactly the same way ... i.e. that doesn't have a fixed point size, leading, indent, etc? Or do I have to "base" the new italics style on one of the existing styles in the document? What I'm finding so far is, if I create an Italics style based on Bodytext (which is 10/12pt, lock to grid, 0 indents, etc) and I apply it to text in the Bodytext style ... then everything is hunkydory. But if I apply the same Italics style to another area of text in the same document which has another user-defined style set (e.g. 9pt text, no lock to grid, 4mm indents, etc) ... then I get a real mess. This perhaps brings us to Peter Newble's point about Impression and the ability to create an effect and convert it into a style. > Finally I'm sorry there obviously is a shortcoming here. Possibly search > and replace with the ability to handle effects would be the solution. > Another idea would be to have three-state buttons in the effects > dialogues (text, format etc.) (just like in the equivalent dialogues for > user styles). Something along those lines would certainly be very useful. As would Peter Newble's suggestion of an option listing all effects used in the current selection ... then, if had to do a search and replace in the DDL, at least I'd know exactly what to look for. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 17:44:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3bvV-1rOknw-05-DtW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:44:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3bvV-1rOknw-05-DtW; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:35:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3bvV-1rOknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:35:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3bvP-0005aj-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:35:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 954F85869AC; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04803-04; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 171E4586F4E; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 092DB5869AC for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04160-04 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3688D58634A for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3buB-000Mrq-Gf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:33:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:32:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 984 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Hadn't thought of that. One problem I've discovered, OPW's Search & >Replace facility won't allow strings like {italic 1} in the search >field (tho' notepad will). What is the way around that? Yes, {} have a special meaning in the search and replace fields. So you have to quote them out with a | (bar) character. You'd search for |{italic 1} >I know ... 20/20 hindsight, etc. But I've hit a problem when trying to >replace the italics effect with my own user-defined style (apart from >the search & replace problem, that is). ISTM that when you apply >italics as an effect, only one thing changes, i.e. normal text becomes >italic (everything else --- point size, leading, etc. --- remains the >same); the effect is simply overlaid on the Correct. >Is it possible to create an Italics style that behaves in exactly the >same way ... Yes. Styles have the same three state way of working. In the e.g. text and format windows for setting up styles you have three-state buttons. For example the button for italic in a style can be clear or ticked (as usual) but it can also show a third state which means "does nothing to italics". This situation applies to every attribute, space before, after, justification. >What I'm finding so far is, if I create an Italics style based on >Bodytext (which Bodytext is a special case because it usually sits underneath all other styles it has to set all attributes. You don't want to base styles on Bodytext, it is a bad example of what a style should do. Normally there is a series of layers Effects user style 1 user style 2 ... Bodytext The topmost layer that changes something provides the value for the displayed text. As I just said that implies that Bodytext sets every attribute, you'll find that you can't turn off attributes in Bodytext. In the example above, style 1 might set italic, style 2 might set bold, Effects might set underline. The resulting text will be italic+bold+underline. If Effects set italic off, then despite what style 1 sets, the resulting text will not be in italics. If you go to Bodytext and change the text colour to pink, the resulting text will be pink. Anyway you use user styles to change just the things you want changing and you should leave other things in the user style definition set to "do nothing". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 18:04:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3cLp-2M9Vbs-07-DTC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:04:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3cLp-2M9Vbs-07-DTC; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:02:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3cLp-2M9Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:02:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3cLn-0001Cb-Bk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:02:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62FCA5874AA; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13137-01-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E01D5874A6; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0206F587462 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12793-10 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.freeserve.com (smtp4.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6152A587456 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3309.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 60A711C00088 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-54400cab.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.12.171]) by mwinf3309.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 245491C00081 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070107180145148.245491C00081@mwinf3309.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:01:24 GMT Message-ID: <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 985 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >>What I'm finding so far is, if I create an Italics style based on >>Bodytext (which > > Bodytext is a special case because it usually sits underneath all other > styles it has to set all attributes. You don't want to base styles on > Bodytext, it is a bad example of what a style should do. > How does "based on" work? My impression has been that it does nothing - all the buttons are set to "does nothing" regardless of which style I base a new one on. Am I missing something? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 20:54:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3euS-00YVbs-08-AuZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:54:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3euS-00YVbs-08-AuZ; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3euS-00YVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3euP-0003ig-94 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA769587440; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06471-04-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3575587452; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:44:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0DF5587359 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06158-04 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0C3D587357 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B8E0003B5 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:47:49 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea1712bd4steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 986 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming > (see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. See my reply in that sub-thread. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 20:54:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3euT-20J000-05-AuY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:54:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3euT-20J000-05-AuY; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3euT-20J000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3euQ-0003n8-2x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC25D587386; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06530-04-5; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9009587341; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A97D1587371 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06196-03-2 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F909587382 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A831E000350 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:47:48 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:58:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea1711cb8steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 987 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > What is the solution to this problem? Steven Pampling suggests editing > the DDL file. Well, yes, been there, done that ... many times. Yesterday > evening, I spent an hour-and-a-half editing the DDL fle in Notepad to > remove all references to {spacebefore...} and {spaceafter...} --- and I > can confirm that it is extremely laborious (and for some reason I don't > understand, find/replace in Notepad is extremely slow even on relatively > small OPW(DDL) files). I also noticed that there was lots of redundant > code in the DDL (numerous examples of {spacebefore}{spaceafter}, > {colourvalue...}, etc., doing nothing very much) --- the cumulative > result of frequent line space and text colour changes during the editing > of the original OPW document. Is there no other way of stripping out > this redundant code (I.E. like cleaning up HTML), and no other way of > doing a global removal of line spaces added as effects (i.e. external to > user-created styles)? Or am I asking for too much ... ? No, you aren't asking too much - you are just using the wrong editor. If you are working on Windows then I can't recommend anything in the free stakes that is better than Notepad++ http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/about.php For many of the editing tasks where the actions you are carrying out may be repetitive then the macro recording facility might be handy, but in simple search and replace it is bound to improve on notepad - not least because notepad always chuffs about with the content to match the MS view of the world while Notepad++ will create unix style files from scratch if you wish. (i.e. it works in cr-lf or lf mode as you prefer just like Zap and StrongED) -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 20:54:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3f1I-0TrVbs-08-Anj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:54:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3f1I-0TrVbs-08-Anj; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:53:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3f1I-0TrVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:53:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3f0t-0003Xc-9n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:53:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2786F5877E6; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09258-03-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 940105877CB; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 559855875BB for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net (anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 129F858702D for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]:3824 "EHLO anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S1345550AbXAGSqF (ORCPT ); Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:46:05 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3d0j-000OON-4H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:44:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:43:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 988 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >How does "based on" work? My impression has been that it does nothing >- all the buttons are set to "does nothing" regardless of which style >I base a new one on. Am I missing something? Copies the style and gives it a new name. You can see that the new style is the same as the one it is based on from the summary in the Edit style window. You do have to tick the "based on button" or else you do get a complete blank style. Going back to my previous posting, the Ovation Pro manual is a good example of how to use styles in a complex document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 11:52:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3gnn-4ZcVbs-03-91E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:52:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3gnn-4ZcVbs-03-91E; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3gnn-4ZcVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3gnm-0006Kl-KL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52667587594; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16482-02-8; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 177FB587685; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1719558764E for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16218-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E3E76587673 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46813 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 18:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 18:46:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i7hg2RMVM1lM2iic0VoY7TuOZfZvzmTjtRBh2KFvQSPEQfCardJpxemCTxwXUIXaxRDY7V5_xH0dewxSNxnMWZi3gUPWB1DphDwoWyu26RlYeqLbHV6mtulSqAuZfUyjQ2LBjuTjMtoKqwPWtLKKqJO48e25qCrk Message-ID: <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:46:51 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 989 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Hadn't thought of that. One problem I've discovered, OPW's Search & >> Replace facility won't allow strings like {italic 1} in the search >> field (tho' notepad will). What is the way around that? > > Yes, {} have a special meaning in the search and replace fields. So you > have to quote them out with a | (bar) character. You'd search for > > |{italic 1} Thanks. >> Is it possible to create an Italics style that behaves in exactly the >> same way ... > > Yes. Styles have the same three state way of working. In the e.g. text > and format windows for setting up styles you have three-state buttons. > For example the button for italic in a style can be clear or ticked (as > usual) but it can also show a third state which means "does nothing to > italics". > > Anyway you use user styles to change just the things you want changing > and you should leave other things in the user style definition set to > "do nothing". Ah, now I understand ... thank you. Another thing which was adding to my confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to "Selection", if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the format (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert back to the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it possible to prevent it doing that? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 11:52:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3hyW-18fGPo-05-GN1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:52:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3hyW-18fGPo-05-GN1; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3hyW-18fGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3hyV-0000IN-OO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63104588124; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09710-02; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAD285880E3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714DA5880E7 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09454-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 4E47E587934 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8114 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 00:02:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tQCVOzIVM1nQHIhXp4HdVFtIhu0bTU.Z4OjZqswPJ8i4pugbDoWtJhkQIlu6.zMN2B5FxtQnEbNIzqXog0MatPELhZDyG0_RjcPz6Cqd83HsVbxLtDQwoxpTo27HfNJYEx1kVjbTcG5mBF5Ez_lU_8XrRP_GCEdN Message-ID: <45A189FA.9080301@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:02 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> <4ea1711cb8steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea1711cb8steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 990 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Steven Pampling wrote: > On 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> ... Is there no other way of stripping out >> this redundant code (I.E. like cleaning up HTML), and no other way of >> doing a global removal of line spaces added as effects (i.e. external to >> user-created styles)? Or am I asking for too much ... ? > > No, you aren't asking too much - you are just using the wrong editor. > > If you are working on Windows then I can't recommend anything in the free > stakes that is better than Notepad++ > http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/about.php Thanks for drawing my attention to this ... a definite improvement. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 12:02:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3t9p-0pY000-05-DiE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:02:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3t9p-0pY000-05-DiE; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3t9p-0pY000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3t9Q-0004Gl-90 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2C5A5889CE; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18161-02-5; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6ADA85889A1; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D96E4588974 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17737-01-2 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0781E5888F6 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3t7V-0008eW-HO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:57:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:55:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 991 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Ah, now I understand ... thank you. Another thing which was adding to >my confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to >"Selection", if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the >format (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert >back to the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it possible >to prevent it doing that? That is actually a feature. The idea is that if you select a paragraph attribute for a style then it should apply to a paragraph. I suppose the opposite behaviour might catch some people out e.g. set style to justify and then find that it only works on single lines. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 17:42:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3yPu-2Osknw-06-Gyf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:42:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3yPu-2Osknw-06-Gyf; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3yPu-2Osknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3yPo-0006fa-3N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714EB5892D6; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24561-06; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FCDE58857A; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A958F5892D6 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24321-07 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id DE4B85893C9 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73735 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 17:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 17:35:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lhGLSYkVM1nb.13s5jqL5os1BPuYZBEAJw5r.6vStBTyd5gVWdPxVm.egMTJ_HMcPj57nuzTZyKy3tiev5A0stZ3lzto9lm6emOt2UD0i0S6wCrUSsx935vPJzorgvl7nGspkTXbDKNlg79BcFgWJxbmGMw2qOkznhxGGV1EFVHALj97re4- Message-ID: <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:35:01 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Ah, now I understand ... thank you. Another thing which was adding to >> my confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to >> "Selection", if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the >> format (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert >> back to the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it >> possible to prevent it doing that? > > That is actually a feature. The idea is that if you select a paragraph > attribute for a style then it should apply to a paragraph. OK, I can see that now. One more question ... I have set up new styles to replicate the Italics, Bold, (etc) effects. I now want to set up macro buttons for the new styles. What is the macro definition ({....}) for, e.g., the italic style? I've looked through the manual for instructions, but the only solution I could find was to assign a keypress to the style and then type the key definition string into the macros dialogue box. That works but leads to other problems. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 18:12:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3ysB-4fmVbs-03-GWO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:12:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3ysB-4fmVbs-03-GWO; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3ysB-4fmVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3ysA-0004PT-9u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1BBB58951C; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01882-06; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87858587B6B; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DF2458A316 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01646-03-7 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCD9458A2D5 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3yrR-0009hq-IO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:04:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:03:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 993 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >One more question ... I have set up new styles to replicate the >Italics, Bold, (etc) effects. I now want to set up macro buttons for >the new styles. What is the macro definition ({....}) for, e.g., the >italic style? I've looked through the manual for instructions, but the >only solution I could find was to assign a keypress to the style and >then type the key definition string into the macros dialogue box. That >works but leads to other problems. Hmm that is interesting, what other problems? There is an example macro supplied with the program called Style#1 which illustrates a technique. I'd copy it. However the body is: {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="Style#1") addstyle(i-1)} So in the above lot you'd replace "Style#1" with the name of your style. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 18:22:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3z3u-1z1Vbs-05-GKf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:22:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3z3u-1z1Vbs-05-GKf; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3z3u-1z1Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3z3f-0005ft-Fo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EFBF587C8F; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05069-04; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75FDA589751; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42A0558A7A4 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04875-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55DF158A12C for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3z1E-0002Gf-BV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:14:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:13:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 994 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, >I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. >Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. He we go, limping along behind RISC OS as usual, the Windows version of the above. Available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan. exe There is actually more than the above in the Windows version. You can now choose which Colour Management Module (CMM) to use from the colour management Windows. This is prompted by the availability from Adobe of their CMM. It is free from: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cmm.html To be honest this has turned into a puzzle. If I select the Adobe CMM, I see no effect at all, the image looks just like it would with no colour management. Others though report that the display is as expected. All I can assume is that there is something about my installation of XP. If anyone else goes through all this, please let me know what happens. This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 18:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3z9C-17BGPo-07-GFN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3z9C-17BGPo-07-GFN; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3z9C-17BGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3z8i-0002HV-8B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43DC558AB9A; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05901-02-2; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 084C858AC18; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581C658AAA5 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05652-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99768589F79 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.81) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 458247CF0038DC61 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:18:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:19:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3acf17a24e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan > Adams writes >>How does "based on" work? My impression has been that it does nothing >>- all the buttons are set to "does nothing" regardless of which style >>I base a new one on. Am I missing something? > > Copies the style and gives it a new name. > > You can see that the new style is the same as the one it is based on > from the summary in the Edit style window. > > You do have to tick the "based on button" or else you do get a complete > blank style. > > Going back to my previous posting, the Ovation Pro manual is a good > example of how to use styles in a complex document. For viewing the RiscOS manual read in RiscOS is better than the windoze version. If there are no effects, the "Remove effects" is not greyed out in the Style applet window in the windoze version. Making it more difficult to know if an effect is present at the caret's position. Chapter 6.3 and 6.4 of the windoze manual may give you some additional info on the use of styles. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 19:12:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3zof-3R7000-03-FZu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:12:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3zof-3R7000-03-FZu; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3zof-3R7000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3zoZ-00076q-Vv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFAB6589387; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18973-02-2; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D44A58B282; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 095E2589387 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18683-02-3 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 2AC0558964B for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36182 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 19:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 19:04:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: avuiosIVM1mXKqjpYhdhRCGuCnRM6Ek5xVbwIRRThPRsbHQWeZ6JE7V5zXG0RHlmM1SKdjUbHGK0PEEBEgwbbe7S_kB4i0RLwxGeGfRavS09YTCDTJ3BbUzXk22DAAS8UKchnmv26fG2m.CWC0LRcjSsXvj8IjE8 Message-ID: <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:04:51 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> One more question ... I have set up new styles to replicate the >> Italics, Bold, (etc) effects. I now want to set up macro buttons for >> the new styles. What is the macro definition ({....}) for, e.g., the >> italic style? I've looked through the manual for instructions, but the >> only solution I could find was to assign a keypress to the style and >> then type the key definition string into the macros dialogue box. That >> works but leads to other problems. > > Hmm that is interesting, what other problems? See below. > There is an example macro supplied with the program called Style#1 which > illustrates a technique. I'd copy it. However the body is: > > {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="Style#1") > addstyle(i-1)} > > So in the above lot you'd replace "Style#1" with the name of your style. Y'know, I can't get that to work ... I must be doing something wrong. Do you mean replace the string *excluding* the " marks, or *including* the " marks? Either way, it doesn't work for me. Using the keypress string (as described above) does, but here's the 'problem' ... well, it's a problem for me, not necessarily a bug/idiosyncrasy in OPW: I have created new userstyles for Italic, Bold, etc. I have created a macro button for each style and assigned a keypress to each style (and the macro buttons have keypress definitions). I've tested the macro buttons, so I know they work in the original DPD file. To replace Italic, Bold, etc., effects in a document with the corresponding styles, I copy the document as a DDL file to my desktop. I then replace effects with the corresponding styles using search/replace in Notepad++, and re-save the DDL. When I open up the DDL in OPW, invariably I find that the macro buttons no longer work. Edit Style shows me that the keypress definitions have disappeared from the dialogue ... and I am unable to replace them using the keyboard. So far, the only solution I have found is to reimport the styles from another (similar) document. I don't know if this is a problem with OPW, with my default document, with my particular installation of OPW, or my installation of XP. What I do notice is that quite often when I double-left-click on an OPW file icon, the document fails to open with an error message to the effect that Windows cannot locate the application. When that happens, Right-click>Open usually does the trick. Any suggestions? Should I try reinstalling OPW? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 19:22:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H402g-04eknw-01-FLt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:22:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H402g-04eknw-01-FLt; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H402g-04eknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H402X-00027W-KP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D65C358AE2F; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23763-01-3; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF6758B058; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70EF858AEA0 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23076-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8017E58AE8C for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([82.112.135.186]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.9.1) with SMTP id NNL50003 for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:55:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:55:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 997 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 8 Jan 2007, at 11:55, David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> the scope would revert back to the default "paragraph" ... without >> me noticing. Is it possible to prevent it doing that? > > That is actually a feature. It may be called a feature, but it is a really annoying one - in my opinion just about the only really irritating 'feature' of an otherwise superb piece of software. I don't think one should have to tell the programme more than once that the intended scope of a style or effect is 'selection.' From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 22:22:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H42ly-2m7000-03-Ccb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:22:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H42ly-2m7000-03-Ccb; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H42ly-2m7000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H42lw-0006lC-3j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B9A358CADF; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32436-05-10; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02F2C589284; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5305858D33F for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32224-05 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8981B58D306 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H42l5-0009Wa-8g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:14:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:13:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 998 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> There is an example macro supplied with the program called Style#1 >>which >Y'know, I can't get that to work ... I must be doing something wrong. >Do you mean replace the string *excluding* the " marks, or *including* >the " marks? You replace the text Style#1 with the name of your style. So your style name is in quotes. We're in a programming language here, literal text is in quotes. It would look like {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="My Style") addstyle(i-1)} >Either way, it doesn't work for me. What happens? Without the quotes you'll get something like "syntax error in macro". >I have created new userstyles for Italic, Bold, etc. I have created a >macro button for each style and assigned a keypress to each style At which point my eyes start to glaze over (and I designed all this). Let me run through how this would go. I have a style that sets bold, and I assign to it key press Control+Shift+F4 I then create a button macro and I give it the body {'CS_F4} Is that what you've done? >DDL. When I open up the DDL in OPW, invariably I find that the macro >buttons no longer work. Edit Style shows me that the keypress >definitions have disappeared from the dialogue ... and I am unable to >replace them using the keyboard. It looks to me that there may be a bug here - when I just saved a DDL file there was no key definition with the user style. I can't see why you cannot replace the key presses - make sure the window has the focus. >I don't know if this is a problem with OPW, with my default document, >with my particular installation of OPW, or my installation of XP. What >I do notice is that quite often when I double-left-click on an OPW file >icon, the document fails to open with an error message to the effect >that Windows cannot locate the application. When that happens, >Right-click>Open usually does the trick. Hard to see why you should lose the file extension association. Unless there is another program you have that wants to use the same extension. If I was faced with this I'd look in the registry and read off where .dpd points to. I can tell you where to look if you want. If you install Ovation Pro then the file association is redone. Don't mess about uninstalling, just run the installer again. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 11:47:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H45k3-1dW000-01-9eW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:47:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H45k3-1dW000-01-9eW; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H45k3-1dW000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H45k3-00014S-B4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C56FA58D4E1; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30621-03; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E84B558D613; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65F1158D3D3 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30375-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D808058CF7E for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22169 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 01:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 01:24:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jiW2zZ8VM1lTJUUTf7L_sHllTIlmqrsumBTbvU9H7FMH9YC7yw.iysLzLkY1UGSNYACt_KXT1bYk4Wo3hibSMDUSymMEzOeSwUNji4FehdYOTRyYsXOSI_L.Wt2Ju21p5eNT.GZDit2I94L82kMfe7YSM9qAMolb Message-ID: <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:24:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 999 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > You replace the text Style#1 with the name of your style. > > It would look like > > {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="My Style") > addstyle(i-1)} > What happens? Without the quotes you'll get something like "syntax error > in macro". Originally ... with the quotes nothing happened; without the quotes "syntax error ..." Since then, I've reinstalled OPW in the way you recommended and restarted the computer, and now I can get it to work. Curious. > >> I have created new userstyles for Italic, Bold, etc. I have created a >> macro button for each style and assigned a keypress to each style > > At which point my eyes start to glaze over (and I designed all this). > Let me run through how this would go. > > I have a style that sets bold, and I assign to it key press > Control+Shift+F4 > > I then create a button macro and I give it the body > > {'CS_F4} > > Is that what you've done? More or less. But I've used {A_F1}, {A_F2}, etc., without the single quote character. Those key combinations didn't seem to be used for anything else. >> DDL. When I open up the DDL in OPW, invariably I find that the macro >> buttons no longer work. Edit Style shows me that the keypress >> definitions have disappeared from the dialogue ... and I am unable to >> replace them using the keyboard. > > It looks to me that there may be a bug here - when I just saved a DDL > file there was no key definition with the user style. I can't see why > you cannot replace the key presses - make sure the window has the focus. Following the reinstall, I can now replace the keypresses. But there's no doubt about the disappearance of the keypresses when saving as DDL. In all, I have keypresses assigned to five styles. The only one that shows up in the DDL is one that I assigned to a style called SmallCaps, which I created (along with a new button sprite) back in the days when you were working on Unicode support for OPW (or possibly before). I used keypress F2 for that style (as far as I can see, F2 is otherwise unused). It shows up in the DDL as {keypress "F19"} ... can that be right? >> I don't know if this is a problem with OPW, with my default document, >> with my particular installation of OPW, or my installation of XP. What >> I do notice is that quite often when I double-left-click on an OPW >> file icon, the document fails to open with an error message to the >> effect that Windows cannot locate the application. When that happens, >> Right-click>Open usually does the trick. The actual error is: "There was a problem sending the command to the program". > Hard to see why you should lose the file extension association. Unless > there is another program you have that wants to use the same extension. > If I was faced with this I'd look in the registry and read off where > .dpd points to. I can tell you where to look if you want. Fire away ... > If you install Ovation Pro then the file association is redone. Don't > mess about uninstalling, just run the installer again. Done that. Creating macro definitions and entering keypresses into the Edit Style dialogue now seem to be working correctly. But the double-left-click-on-OPW-icon error hasn't gone away. I have a vague memory there was a similar issue a while back (in the Unicode testing days) when I was using a different computer box but the same mouse and keyboard. I may have something on that in my email archive. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 11:48:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4CC7-3MAknw-06-Biy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:48:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4CC7-3MAknw-06-Biy; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4CC7-3MAknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4CC7-0005OG-2c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5625B58E2EE; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11259-01-5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 891BD58E2F5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 03:17:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDFB558C293 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11044-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk (heisenberg.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFCF158E2B3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H4CBO-0004Kn-HY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:17:32 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1000 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > > This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for > Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. > Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and registered copy of OP was required. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 12:17:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4FmC-2EY000-02-GfP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:17:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4FmC-2EY000-02-GfP; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4FmC-2EY000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4FmC-0001kZ-45 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8024958E959; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12195-10; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 459F958E930; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:06:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3D0B58E959 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11930-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DEAB58E950 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4FlC-000G6M-J4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:05:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1001 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> Is that what you've done? >More or less. But I've used {A_F1}, {A_F2}, etc., without the single >quote character. Those key combinations didn't seem to be used for >anything else. That should be OK. >But there's no doubt about the disappearance of the keypresses when >saving as DDL. Yes, well a bug. >The actual error is: "There was a problem sending the command to the >program". In that case I'd not worry about file associations. What happens when you double click a file is that Windows runs the associated program, and then uses the DDE protocol to send it a message telling it to load the file. From the above message it sounds like DDE is going wrong. I've never heard of that before. I wonder if the problem does not occur immediately after the machine boots. The theory being that something is being used up by running lots of files? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 12:17:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4FuN-27Dknw-08-GXE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:17:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4FuN-27Dknw-08-GXE; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4FuN-27Dknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4FuN-0001Xn-4Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF3758E4D9; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14748-02-11; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4577E58E5A5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DC4B58E3FB for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14494-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6657A58E370 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4Ftd-000IYB-B6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1002 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Ray Dawson writes >David Pilling wrote: >> This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for >> Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. >Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and registered copy of OP >was required. That is not my experience - I just installed the version off the web site. I wonder where the problem is? Is it one of those web cache things where you've got the previous version. The latest version has a size of 542,720 bytes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 12:47:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4GFA-1WW000-05-GCR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:47:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4GFA-1WW000-05-GCR; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4GFA-1WW000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4GF9-0001lK-CH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43A7158E9DF; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21502-05; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1079D58EA78; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 528AB58E9DF for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21286-02 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F5B158E853 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H4GER-00012X-2L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:34:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows Message-ID: <4ea27c0169nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 09 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ray Dawson > writes > >David Pilling wrote: > >> This particular version of DPScan does not require > >> Ovation Pro for Windows to be registered, so anyone can > >> have a go. > >Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and > >registered copy of OP was required. > That is not my experience - I just installed the version > off the web site. > I wonder where the problem is? Is it one of those > web cache things where you've got the previous version. > The latest version has a size of 542,720 bytes. Installed here fine thanks David. -- besters.. Ned === From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 13:07:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4GZ8-2Qxknw-03-FsT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:07:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4GZ8-2Qxknw-03-FsT; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4GZ8-2Qxknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4GZ2-00035f-AQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BB6158EA5D; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28043-01; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAC5358E979; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 919E758E92D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27742-02 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 20E0158E8B7 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51163 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 12:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 12:58:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W3aF9q4VM1mCESnFQ1YrVcZTUDW0N5OuI8ZFw5B6Qk4VH9I68.c72yWypr_e35FSNhJkTt7m5U2ocYHDoHueM930pgYVHlFESWX2y0PJEZlindQCxJYNOT6ZGYQ4I5OQie1peheJUCdm.MVKIP75sM.sI_mWrf2B Message-ID: <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:02 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> The actual error is: "There was a problem sending the command to the >> program". > > In that case I'd not worry about file associations. What happens when > you double click a file is that Windows runs the associated program, and > then uses the DDE protocol to send it a message telling it to load the > file. > > From the above message it sounds like DDE is going wrong. I've never > heard of that before. > > I wonder if the problem does not occur immediately after the machine > boots. The theory being that something is being used up by running lots > of files? Hmmm, I try to keep startup programs to a minimum, but as an alternative I do keep shortcuts to frequently used applications on the taskbar and shortcuts to frequently needed files on the desktop. If anything, the number of shortcuts currently in both places is below the norm (for me). A trawl of the Internet suggests users of other programs occasionally have the same problem, usually attributed it seems to some undefined conflict with Windows Explorer or to ZoneAlarm (which I use) trying to intercept DDE commands. Anyway, it's a very minor problem ... I can easily live with it. Thanks for the help with styles and macros. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 13:47:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4HBb-13sVbs-01-FG0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:47:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4HBb-13sVbs-01-FG0; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4HBb-13sVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4HBW-0005a3-Gj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13EA858EC7E; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08961-03; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0BC058ECD1; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6E4C58EC53 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08352-01-7 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D805F58EC3F for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H4HAX-0001wg-Ur for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:37:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:20 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1005 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ray Dawson > writes > > David Pilling wrote: > > > This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for > > > Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. > > Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and registered copy of > > OP was required. > > That is not my experience - I just installed the version off the web > site. > > I wonder where the problem is? Is it one of those web cache > things where you've got the previous version. > > The latest version has a size of 542,720 bytes. For some reason it had downloaded without the .exe extension. I renamed it, reinstalled it and it now works fine - thanks. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 14:07:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Ha2-2VfGPo-08-ErZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:07:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Ha2-2VfGPo-08-ErZ; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Ha2-2VfGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4HZw-0004Ir-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B13658EE12; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17137-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C494B58EE0F; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4220758EB39 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16955-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE78458EB9A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4HWu-000FZ1-7F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:59:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1006 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL files. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe The thing with assigning key presses in the Edit window is an oddity. The safest thing is to click on the name of the style in the scrolling pane - so it shows a dotted outline. Then press the desired key. What tends to happen is that you click on the New button, define a new style, close the new window. Then you find that pressing a key does nothing. Look closely and the new button has a dotted line inside it, in other words it still has the input focus. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 14:17:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Hke-0j9Vbs-06-Egx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:17:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Hke-0j9Vbs-06-Egx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Hke-0j9Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4HkZ-0001ub-4W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8B0F58A571; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20154-01-2; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0DEA58E560; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 169FB58CA01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19862-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 0B0B158C856 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92914 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 14:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 14:12:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pS3r.cQVM1nBOxiUL9aWUP81fQWWxN3c_KQK0FsMfPktcP1_xF8Ygj9sPOWuh9HL.YUbQ7CZ2AQM3J_sTbxhkdqvOARF8zGXulBYMAgQAfgvTtgk0rs- Message-ID: <45A3A2C1.90104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:12:17 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1007 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > > I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). > > This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL > files. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe That was quick. Thanks a lot. > The thing with assigning key presses in the Edit window is an oddity. > The safest thing is to click on the name of the style in the scrolling > pane - so it shows a dotted outline. Then press the desired key. > > What tends to happen is that you click on the New button, define a new > style, close the new window. Then you find that pressing a key does > nothing. Look closely and the new button has a dotted line inside it, in > other words it still has the input focus. Therein lay the problem --- as I recall, the dotted outline only appeared fleetingly, then disappeared again. But I have now restored all the keypresses. So, hopefully, I won't have any more problems in that area. Re. the "There was a problem sending the command to the program" issue. Windows seems to suggest there are some missing/corrupted DLLs. When I can locate my SP2 boot disk, I'll attempt a repair and see if that fixes the problem. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 14:37:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4I0P-3CZVbs-05-ERC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4I0P-3CZVbs-05-ERC; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4I0P-3CZVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4I0H-0002lT-Ej for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8E9358F004; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26186-06; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A9958F0CF; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DA9E58F004 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26077-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id A8D6958EFC6 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3324 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 14:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 14:29:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _z4OdykVM1kPd481yopqxMX3U5bTKczT9cWSMlbctQSuPF.BPLbPWBzj.F_DMnwMDGBU9TNtwSHAY2sb9RLnn8fpL.UnfWOgWHY0l45.BbKbcQ7Sk6Y- Message-ID: <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:29:25 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1008 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > > I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). > > This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL > files. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 15:37:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Ive-0oCVbs-08-DVx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:37:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Ive-0oCVbs-08-DVx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:30:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Ive-0oCVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:30:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4IvY-0006h1-8P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:30:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5899D58F0A5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13478-01; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C374758EF9B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 597DA58EF9D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12938-01-7 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C3F58EFB4 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4IuS-0001Xk-CH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:29:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:27:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> >>http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.e>>xe >This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the >browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. Hmm. The correct size for the new one is: (1,643,520 bytes) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 16:17:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4JXk-1Q9Vbs-04-Ctr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:17:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4JXk-1Q9Vbs-04-Ctr; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4JXk-1Q9Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4JXe-0000yD-6r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C29858F25E; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26315-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FC5258F333; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C13358F485 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26091-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id AA7B258F307 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9504 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 16:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 16:06:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WjeV5UQVM1lePzzV2gWgtFY4RzKAbRnv7rixcODAc1AlBOVhHPq2v2e5eqd79Z6W8bWNUHXkfT3Io58XJsAMSnJRV4TxxDOs2jhnlBDkVh2o_wAifZM- Message-ID: <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:06:16 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>> >>> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.e>>xe >>> >> This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the >> browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. > > Hmm. The correct size for the new one is: (1,643,520 bytes) Then I have the correct version, and the web page labels it 9/01/2007. But after installing it on top of the previous version, I still have a version that Menu>Help shows as 27/12/2006 and which does not save keypresses in DDL. Do I first need to uninstall the previous version or delete something that the previous version has put into C:\Documents and Settings? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:08:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KKi-2wzGPo-03-C6t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:08:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KKi-2wzGPo-03-C6t; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:00:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KKi-2wzGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:00:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KKh-0007HC-Gz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:00:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E3F458F3E0; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11335-01-11; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B9C058F3A5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EE2A58E423 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11009-04 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9316458DF0A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4KJL-000ATS-M3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:59:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:57:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Then I have the correct version, and the web page labels it 9/01/2007. >But after installing it on top of the previous version, I still have a >version that Menu>Help shows as 27/12/2006 and which does not save >keypresses in DDL. Do I first need to uninstall the previous version or >delete something that the previous version has put into C:\Documents >and Settings? There should be no need to uninstall and particularly not to start destroying your configuration. I've just downloaded and install the version on the web site and it is correct. Now as has been demonstrated today with DPScan there's "many a slip" - for example you might (for all I know) have software in place that prevents .exe files from being overwritten. I'd be inclined to look at C:Program Files\David Pilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe See what the properties of the .exe file are. All the upgrade is doing is replacing this one .exe file. The sort of game you can play is rename the above .exe, run the installer, see if a new .exe appears, see if its properties are different. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:08:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KOD-0Nv000-02-C3O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:08:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KOD-0Nv000-02-C3O; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KOD-0Nv000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KO0-0003gO-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3564D58F39B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12564-03; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F309058F781; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B82C058F39B for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12168-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F192658F217 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4KMm-00061s-5e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:02:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:01:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows References: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1012 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Ray Dawson writes >For some reason it had downloaded without the .exe extension. I renamed >it, reinstalled it and it now works fine - thanks. I notice that the .exe extension in my original email seems to have been wrapped onto a new line. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:18:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KbH-0b4GPo-06-BqK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:18:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KbH-0b4GPo-06-BqK; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:17:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KbH-0b4GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:17:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KbB-0006y9-0K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:17:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86EBF58F070; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15503-10; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5422458D2D2; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 322E458EF89 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15390-05 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 616AF58DE42 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l09HF8cg005454 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:15:08 GMT In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:17:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1013 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > In message , Ray Dawson > writes > >For some reason it had downloaded without the .exe extension. I renamed > >it, reinstalled it and it now works fine - thanks. > > I notice that the .exe extension in my original email seems to have been > wrapped onto a new line. > The wonders of line wrapping in emails. Time for tinyurl.com :-) The update can be downloaded from :- http://tinyurl.com/yk6f82 or preview where it will send you here :- http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk6f82 Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:38:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KrG-2huGPo-05-BaL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:38:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KrG-2huGPo-05-BaL; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KrG-2huGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KrE-0000nf-Hg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B6E58FE12; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20638-01; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8462958FE4C; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:32:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57A8D58FDA9 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20236-09-3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 60FE458FDE6 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70310 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 17:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 17:33:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yyxyqlQVM1nLiOTVPY8AK0KZma3jcs3KK42vE8x2iwc_PkHYPaGk2Q015wzZ51PnQ6LBMk_..628aRf1KugNMQlgdzZ0oYnb0ztw831hZVqtQbdPDsDyIdswILk1lUwMS13Tz64NqMWRUDg.8zatMXNfuyLBxJLV Message-ID: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:05 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Do I first need to uninstall the previous version >> or delete something that the previous version has put into >> C:\Documents and Settings? > > There should be no need to uninstall and particularly not to start > destroying your configuration. > I'd be inclined to look at > > C:Program Files\David Pilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe > > The sort of game you can play is rename the above .exe Done that. > run the installer, see if a new .exe appears It does. > see if its properties are different. No, they are not. It still shows up as the 27/12/2006 version. Both unpack to 2,416 KB. Both have the same date and time stamp. Sorry to be a nuisance. But I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I have used two different browsers (IE7 and Opera 9.10), I have refreshed the OPW download page in each browser (several times) before downloading; I have deleted the browser histories and temporary Internet files; and I have made sure that I am downloading from a page that offers me the 09/01/2007 version of the exe. I may well have overlooked something here, but I can't think what it is. Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from David's website today? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 18:28:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Len-44M000-05-Amo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:28:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Len-44M000-05-Amo; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Len-44M000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Lel-00078W-HD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FD5C58F816; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03282-01-8; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61C2458F924; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:23:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01D6958F566 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03077-04-3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3530258E651 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45766 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 18:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 18:24:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ETQwv3kVM1kXv.UU_G7FYQlIqvj.AWQBOERBXDKNqb4US9wAAmEO.6gDVKZdevJo4JPRgSz2tEav8tWJQR1OXMjwrfO3ED2XyE.e6Iy8rGd8aFtbmgc- Message-ID: <45A3DDC6.7040806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:24:06 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1015 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> Do I first need to uninstall the previous version or delete something >>> that the previous version has put into C:\Documents and Settings? >> >> There should be no need to uninstall and particularly not to start >> destroying your configuration. > >> I'd be inclined to look at >> >> C:Program Files\David Pilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe >> >> The sort of game you can play is rename the above .exe > > Done that. > >> run the installer, see if a new .exe appears > > It does. > >> see if its properties are different. > > No, they are not. It still shows up as the 27/12/2006 version. Now SORTED. But it required a Windows Search to locate all files with "OvnPro" in the filename. I then deleted (via the Search window) everything that looked like a cached file or shortcut, downloaded the 09/01/07 version again, and reinstalled it. Finally, I have the latest version installed, and keypresses appear in the DDL. Sorry for all the trouble. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 18:38:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4LmY-3nRknw-02-Af3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:38:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4LmY-3nRknw-02-Af3; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4LmY-3nRknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4LmT-0005td-Br for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7589E58FA3B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05959-04-2; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E36B858FCC3; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C987758FB45 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05443-02 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D9B58FB27 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H4Llc-0007h1-7V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:32:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:32:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea29cc736chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from > David's website today? Yes. I have just downloaded the latest version (using my Iyonix), transferred to a PC and installed. Everything went like clockwork (what else do we expect from David!). I have checked the Help->About Opro and it is definitely running the 9 Jan 2007 version. (Also did DPlingScan 1.24 at the same time). Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 18:48:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Lsa-3v7knw-01-AZ1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:48:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Lsa-3v7knw-01-AZ1; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Lsa-3v7knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Lsa-00033o-9o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D69958FC33; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07989-04; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB0E358FC47; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8E8158FC33 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07726-09-2 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B555458FC94 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20859 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 18:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 18:38:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3SKgLNAVM1n5R60OGd0rQdAsHjbA8OBnLye8Pr795pI6nIO7nqGsFrQvuEUYdMG1IYHY7zFC52xTFyEUbBfpEoAtMemTruptR.uoQqj.1JSfMnpO7vA- Message-ID: <45A3E110.9080004@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:38:08 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> <4ea29cc736chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea29cc736chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from >> David's website today? > > Yes. I have just downloaded the latest version (using my Iyonix), > transferred to a PC and installed. Everything went like clockwork > (what else do we expect from David!). I have checked the Help->About > Opro and it is definitely running the 9 Jan 2007 version. > > (Also did DPlingScan 1.24 at the same time). Interesting ... I succeeded in the end (see my follow-up email). Now I must check whether the install of DPIingScan 1.24 worked. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 19:18:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4MSO-1CeVbs-01-9zD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:18:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4MSO-1CeVbs-01-9zD; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:16:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4MSO-1CeVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:16:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4MSN-00044X-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:16:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E44558F939; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20835-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CF3858FB6B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 133EE58F939 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20510-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6D258E8FE for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C3EB2B80008C for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:15:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-54408c19.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.140.25]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8E36BB800083 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:15:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070109191537582.8E36BB800083@mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:15:10 GMT Message-ID: <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >> >> >> I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). >> >> This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL >> files. >> >> See: >> >> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the > browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. Try changing the case of the /www.davidpilling.info/ part of the URL - it is case-insensitive, but many caches are case-sensitive, so will give you a new copy. (Don't change the directory or file part - on Unix servers they ARE case-sensitive.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 19:48:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Mnx-22RVbs-07-9de.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:48:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Mnx-22RVbs-07-9de; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:38:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Mnx-22RVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:38:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Mnv-0006bm-B9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:38:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A93F959062D; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27690-08; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 791985906AD; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DA7A59062D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27414-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.picsel.com (mail.picsel.com [195.27.13.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C2C4590622 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vexi [127.0.0.1]) by relay.picsel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8DE34621 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.picsel.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.picsel.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29843-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [195.171.216.190] (dhcp190.picsel.com [195.171.216.190]) by relay.picsel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1134634614 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45A3D2B2.4000606@davespace.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:36:50 +0000 From: David Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at relay.picsel.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1019 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davespace.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from > David's website today? Worked fine for me. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 21:08:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4O3N-1D1000-07-Guk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:08:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4O3N-1D1000-07-Guk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:58:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4O3N-1D1000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:58:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4O2v-0000rb-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:58:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EF0E58FF27; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19271-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5962A58FFDF; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:48:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BE4C58FF27 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19132-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C442758FEA9 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4Ntv-0008k5-Lx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:48:56 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Smart quotes failure. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:48:46 GMT Message-ID: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi All: OPro 2.77 on Iyonix, 5.12. Suddenly my documents are failing to do 'smart quotes' - all I get is single/double dits! Of course, I have 'Smart quotes' ticked in Iconbar 'Choices', 'Text handling choices'. Usually work fine! I can still enter the correct sexed quotes using Alt-144/145 etc. Opening older docs which have quotes 'smarted' correctly, and typing fresh quotes, again produces merely dits. I've a recollection that I have had this problem before, but can't get through to the solution. What have I overlooked?? Thanks in advance for help! Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 21:18:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4OET-2Mi000-07-Gje.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:18:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4OET-2Mi000-07-Gje; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4OET-2Mi000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4OE8-0001ha-A3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF833590963; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20758-06; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8684C5909FE; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EC7F590963 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20623-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70D7D590964 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4O2Y-00007q-CQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:57:51 +0000 Message-ID: <2BShmwHSGApFFwg6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:56:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1021 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >Try changing the case of the /www.davidpilling.info/ part of the URL - >it is case-insensitive, but many caches are case-sensitive, so will >give you a new copy. Neat idea if it works. > (Don't change the directory or file part - on >Unix servers they ARE case-sensitive.) The actual site is case insensitive, it was a problem some time back and I eventually found out how to make it case insensitive, using a htaccess file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 21:38:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4OeX-0GTVbs-08-GJa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:38:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4OeX-0GTVbs-08-GJa; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4OeX-0GTVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4OeS-0003it-FV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C798591136; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27728-07; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FCD359128F; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:31:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0167A591136 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27610-03-6 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CE3859137A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4OZr-0008Bo-10 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:32:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:31:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes failure. References: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1022 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts writes >Suddenly my documents are failing to do 'smart quotes' - all I get is >single/double dits! >Of course, I have 'Smart quotes' ticked in Iconbar 'Choices', 'Text >handling choices'. Usually work fine! This choice only applies when importing text files. Smart quotes as you type depends on the Quotes applet, which must be installed, active and (see the applets menu) turned on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 10 11:55:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4PYb-1DiVbs-07-FPW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:55:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4PYb-1DiVbs-07-FPW; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4PYb-1DiVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4PYU-0005Kr-6T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55B735914E3; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08480-07; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26D0C5914AB; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58A9E591277 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08315-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04D9A5912A5 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4PMr-0005Ns-KZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:22:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes failure. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:08:29 GMT Message-ID: <7496b0a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts > writes >>Suddenly my documents are failing to do 'smart quotes' - all I get is >>single/double dits! >>Of course, I have 'Smart quotes' ticked in Iconbar 'Choices', 'Text >>handling choices'. Usually work fine! > > This choice only applies when importing text files. > > Smart quotes as you type depends on the Quotes applet, which must be > installed, active and (see the applets menu) turned on. Thanks, David - yes - that does it! Not sure how/when that applet got inactivated. (Should all applets have a suitable !Sprites file, with the 'red cross' version? Several of mine (including !Quotes) don't have (and !Quotes just gets a 'cog' as a result), and thus don't show the 'crossed-out' icon when switched off. Others don't actually alternate the minus after the filename when toggled on and off. Hmmm. I am obviously even more confused by applets than I thought I was!) JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 10 11:55:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Pgs-1wPVbs-07-FHF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:55:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Pgs-1wPVbs-07-FHF; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Pgs-1wPVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Pgm-0004eh-Pj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39069591EF3; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10788-09; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F295B5913AD; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E026D591EF3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10728-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 7D993591C2C for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22571 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.164.232 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 22:37:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PF4QfkcVM1l0wmgWhaDk3hluCZf.A7HfKBe6v6EIU9RrdLljLpnWOfFaqZHosFmTpJr_oELM9d9Rs69BqQcIXrGbmOJHI9L2vhxI2VBBE0Io4x.QmSH6dDFpu98rHpY1zcThpxZuqIh84NhAmd5Wrkf8uStWPNpp Message-ID: <45A41937.8080409@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:37:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Alan Adams wrote: > In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>> >>> >>> I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). >>> >>> This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL >>> files. >>> >>> See: >>> >>> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >> This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the >> browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. > > Try changing the case of the /www.davidpilling.info/ part of the URL - > it is case-insensitive, but many caches are case-sensitive, so will > give you a new copy. (Don't change the directory or file part - on > Unix servers they ARE case-sensitive.) Thanks. I can confirm that this works. However, I'm not sure that fetching the file was the problem. I had the impression that things went wrong when the file was run ... but then I don't really understand how these things work. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 11 20:57:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H54Il-0FYVbs-07-8lQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:57:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H54Il-0FYVbs-07-8lQ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H54Il-0FYVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H54Il-0003LR-1F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1CA2599297; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24007-03; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69B6A5992C6; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 911E1599297 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23855-01 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.mail.uk.clara.net (relay1.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C32625993B8 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.239.94] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay1.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H54I2-000HUH-IB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:04:38 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting Artworks image from OvPro RISC OS 2.77 to OvProW 2.92 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:03:47 GMT Message-ID: <45dba1a34e.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1025 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> charles wrote: Apologies > I tried saving the graphic as a bitmap, using one of the save option > proferred by Artworks (booted up selecting and using the OLE), but the > resultant file was rejected by windows XP. IF I had saved properly within Artworks by selecting the item it would have produced a correct file. Sorry for wasting everyone's time. -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 17:10:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5knx-1fb000-04-8so.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:10:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5knx-1fb000-04-8so; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5knx-1fb000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5knw-0007Ml-74 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF5A59ABC2; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32744-01-7; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 953D059A882; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5473F599BE6 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32382-01-2 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp50.hccnet.nl (smtp50.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFA4B59A880 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc3.theestruik by smtp50.hccnet.nl via a80-100-21-102.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id l0DFRYDt016071 (8.13.6/2.05); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:27:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:02:34 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-System: Risc PC 600, my first Risc PC; rpc1 X-Processor: Intel StrongARM 110 Rev T; 200-ish MHz X-OSversion: RISC OS Adjust 1i2 [4.39] (28 Apr 2004 [Kernel 6.80]) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continuous development of RISC OS X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on virus4-lx50.hccnet.nl X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johan@waarland.demon.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On Sun 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: [snip] > Another thing which was adding to my > confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to "Selection", > if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the format > (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert back to > the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it possible to > prevent it doing that? Please, please, yes please. This has always been a big problem: Most of the time I forget to note the original scope I once gave it. When resaving I see a unexpected change somewhere, and then I'm just too late when I realised the scope has changed as well. When this could be corrected, it would be a big time saver, and very much more friendly to me! So, yes please! TIA greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 17:40:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5mlV-35Sknw-07-FRm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:40:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5mlV-35Sknw-07-FRm; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5mlV-35Sknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5mlQ-0001JZ-Q8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FE8B59C106; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32620-10; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49F0659C13B; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F9C559C106 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32530-04 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66FBE59B524 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5mfp-000BZD-F8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:28:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:26:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From bernard@bapfish.org.uk Sat Jan 13 18:20:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5nOt-2E6knw-06-EoO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:20:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5nOt-2E6knw-06-EoO; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5nOt-2E6knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:43 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay02.plus.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5nOt-0006qb-2C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:43 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5nOs-0007TE-N9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:26 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi David On 13 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. Thanks for this. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 18:30:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5nbn-1atGPo-08-EbU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:30:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5nbn-1atGPo-08-EbU; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5nbn-1atGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5nbj-0005Ai-7N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A48859BDEF; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14796-09; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0641A59C036; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB75459BDEF for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14650-09 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 51A7359B6B0 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([82.112.134.85]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.9.1) with SMTP id STJ35939 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:22:39 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29CB4503-6718-4F41-9012-234A39DECAD0@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:22:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1028 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13 Jan 2007, at 17:26, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro > RTF filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. Many, many thanks for this, David - you're a star! (But you should have charged us for it.) From tim@powys.org Sat Jan 13 18:40:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5nex-2gQVbs-01-EYK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5nex-2gQVbs-01-EYK; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5nex-2gQVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5nex-0006iF-Q7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5neu-0006OX-Mg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:30:15 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <99f3aba44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In message from David Pilling of 13 Jan you wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. Many thanks indeed for your generosity in releasing this for free. regards, -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 18:50:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5noG-3IAVbs-01-EP1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:50:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5noG-3IAVbs-01-EP1; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5noG-3IAVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5noF-0004d3-IP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8382159BFB1; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18147-03-2; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A3DA59C172; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5969459BDE2 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17918-05 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E35D359BFE1 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21137 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 18:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 18:40:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3HOaZcYVM1mjj28S4LeWp2oWleBwbcmBR8A1ToPL7PIVp43b75H.lZFMN5rZYbZT7xWcaPmpv2b5thKYoSS1jN1Th7o2kCok3YeCEDSA4rPcnKpghljQsUgVIlWKx1VfUKrt2MC4rl2SmOzsJrsZ45N3O_8- Message-ID: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:48 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1029 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 21:40:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qYE-2Bo000-05-Bf3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:40:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qYE-2Bo000-05-Bf3; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:36:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qYE-2Bo000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:36:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qYC-00050R-Jb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:36:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88C3359AEC1; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04629-07; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5524959AC66; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B6B859AEC1 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04506-04 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFAD259B112 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.237.24] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H5qXL-0002ek-G1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:35:40 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:34:08 GMT Message-ID: <87c9bca44e.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? I have a top level directory called "filters " with all the filters in it, and pin that to the backdrop. -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 21:50:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qjQ-1DOknw-04-BTr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:50:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qjQ-1DOknw-04-BTr; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qjQ-1DOknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qjQ-0007J2-Cn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CD6A59AB77; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08212-01-2; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9E2359AC00; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5B7B59B4FA for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07964-10 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E53CE59B176 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5qig-0009eO-52 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:47:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:45:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1031 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >>a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter >>pops into existence: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, !TransFSI Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 22:00:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qt4-31s000-05-BKD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:00:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qt4-31s000-05-BKD; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qt4-31s000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qt3-0004jU-PK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC93459B6EC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10665-01; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D18E559B32B; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A046159B5C9 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10435-01 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD9C459B66D for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2007 21:57:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALbkqEXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACNPAEBAgcOBwYd Received: from 88-105-237-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.237.131]:10747 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H5qsI-0008y8-8D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:57:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >>a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter > >>pops into existence: > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > >Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? > The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense > for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, > !TransFSI > Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. > live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all > software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I have all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in the !Boot Configuration Boot "look at" list. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 22:10:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qvx-1APVbs-08-BHK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:10:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qvx-1APVbs-08-BHK; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:01:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qvx-1APVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:01:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qvw-00030b-N1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:01:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E3AD59B534; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11459-01-3; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B19A59B770; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78A6659B534 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11214-02 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40DA359B46B for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.237.24] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H5qvE-000Abe-Da for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:00:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:59:55 GMT Message-ID: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>>a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter >>>pops into existence: >>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >>Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? > > The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense > for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, > !TransFSI > > Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. > live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all > software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. Really! Ididn't know that! So in !Boot.Resources then, on an Iyo? -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 22:10:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5r3k-1UvVbs-08-B9X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:10:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5r3k-1UvVbs-08-B9X; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:09:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5r3k-1UvVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:09:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5r3j-00014y-L2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:09:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 878B059B9AC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13263-01; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D8359B75C; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50D0D59B7B5 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13109-02 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp13.wxs.nl (smtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.247.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 120B959B77A for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JBT00FO2UTNIY@smtp13.wxs.nl> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:08:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:08:35 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4ea4bff0b3Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling: > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: Even a poet. My admiration doesn't stop growing. Paul Sprangers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5rJu-3N3knw-02-AtN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5rJu-3N3knw-02-AtN; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5rJu-3N3knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5rJt-0000lo-Ke for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 877A559B0AE; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17588-02; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581E759AC46; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84C6059B0AE for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17366-06-8 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 312E659AE07 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5rJB-0007rh-30 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:27:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1035 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5rl4-3zhknw-04-ASD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5rl4-3zhknw-04-ASD; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5rl4-3zhknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5rl4-0004Ce-Cx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BBC059A086; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24691-02; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A2E059B57A; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 495CE59B7FD for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24562-03 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 7915F59B691 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52504 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 22:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 22:53:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZDvBo0gVM1nH2MhNgn_4aJ.hc1n8c3Z6ce.8h0U64oa546J8CY11ufZ3hD7P.gl8NPaFfSEWUGy5zn1NpnDMTeTrstwsfXlr7ZK3eKhczHUKPr7GhU4oWpECw7i36WG56OgzHKf9aOsTlK4N30C5ecJ22k2uFTE__DbwknAGnNnsdqCe8tv8HguNCiKivd9bIZGGpODM Message-ID: <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:54:23 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>>> a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter >>>> pops into existence: >>>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >>> Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? > >> The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense >> for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, >> !TransFSI > >> Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. >> live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all >> software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. I have tried putting it in !Boot.Resources ... but when I try to load an RTF file into OP, I get error: Shared C library is out of date This is under VRPC ... so I installed the Castle shared C library, but no change. This is a re-install of VRPC and I seem to remember having the Shared C library problem with a previous install, but I can't remember the solution. Also, RTF files don't have an RTF icon. Where do I get hold of that? > I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I have > all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in the !Boot > Configuration Boot "look at" list. Tried that too ... same result. Curiously, D.P.'s reply above never arrived in my Inbox. I only saw it when I received this (Dave Symes') email. This kind of thing has been happening a lot recently on freelists ... messages don't appear, or turn up hours after someone else has replied to them. Anyone know why? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5sr5-2r8Vbs-03-9MC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5sr5-2r8Vbs-03-9MC; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:04:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5sr5-2r8Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:04:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5sr4-00001b-WF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC27459BB94; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11828-07; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01E0359BBD5; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6212559B9AC for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11578-08 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E60E59B435 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5sqL-0002QG-3z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:03:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1037 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy > > heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the > > Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy > > (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. > I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this > application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I > know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ Just downloaded and tried it on my Iyonix and it does just what it says on the tin. Saved a file from TW in RTF format, and loaded it straight in to Opro. Worked a treat. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5tc7-1JFVbs-05-8bA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5tc7-1JFVbs-05-8bA; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:52:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5tc7-1JFVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:52:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5tc7-0002dY-Cn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:52:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43B3959BC28; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24317-07-11; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAA4F59BCC7; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D50A259B8B4 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24102-01-2 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72D9359BB94 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5tbL-0007rI-Oe for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:51:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:49:24 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 13 Jan, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sens= e=20 > > for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransI= MP,=20 > > !TransFSI >=20 > > Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc.= =20 > > live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all=20 > > software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. >=20 > I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I h= ave > all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in the !B= oot > Configuration Boot "look at" list. In the interests of a reasonably speedy boot that gets to the end without hiccups, I agree with you. Further there is the matter of keeping the !Boot directory small so that it can be copied or backed up easily. (And in the last respect holding browser caches in Boot is not good news.) As well as listing the applications in Look At, they will all, I believe, be Looked At if they are put in the Apps, Printing or Utilities directories. The only trouble with doing the one of the latter is that there is a limit to the number of such applications before an error message is generated in the Boot process. So the question is what is the speediest and least complex place to put such applications: 1. Resources? =20 2. One of Apps, Printing and Utilities? =20 3. Listed in Look At in Boot Configure? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5tob-1yKVbs-05-GvC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5tob-1yKVbs-05-GvC; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:05:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5tob-1yKVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:05:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5toa-0002L8-Va for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:05:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D712259C061; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28119-02; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97B6059BFBA; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E142559C061 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27882-03 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A779459C00F for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5tnr-0004zF-6H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:04:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:04:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1039 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In the interests of a reasonably speedy boot that gets to the end > without hiccups, I agree with you. Further there is the matter of > keeping the !Boot directory small so that it can be copied or > backed up easily. (And in the last respect holding browser caches > in Boot is not good news.) > As well as listing the applications in Look At, they will all, I > believe, be Looked At if they are put in the Apps, Printing or > Utilities directories. The only trouble with doing the one of the > latter is that there is a limit to the number of such applications > before an error message is generated in the Boot process. > So the question is what is the speediest and least complex place to > put such applications: > 1. Resources? > > 2. One of Apps, Printing and Utilities? > > 3. Listed in Look At in Boot Configure? What I do is to create a directory (I call mine 'RunAtBoot') into which I put all the Apps I normally run at Boot, e.g. SparkFS, Zap, MoreDesk, etc. I then drag this one directory into Configure->Boot->Run and all the apps in the directory are run during boot up. This means there is only the one entry in Configure->Boot->Run for a number of applications. If there is a problem with booting at any time, there is only one entry to be removed from Configure->Boot->Run to stop all the apps being booted. If you then need to check for problems with individual apps, each in turn can be moved into a different directory until the culprit is found. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5zzV-1JAVbs-06-AkI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5zzV-1JAVbs-06-AkI; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:41:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5zzV-1JAVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:41:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5zzU-0004mM-WF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:41:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17DB59B962; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24895-09; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 902B659B86E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33AAA59B962 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24781-01 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00CB859B8DB for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5zym-000NPi-M3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:40:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:26:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4f3059acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1040 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy > > > heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the > > > Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy > > > (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. > > I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this > > application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I > > know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ > Just downloaded and tried it on my Iyonix and it does just what it > says on the tin. Saved a file from TW in RTF format, and loaded it > straight in to Opro. Worked a treat. which is exactly what I did. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H60J7-0ynGPo-04-AQg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H60J7-0ynGPo-04-AQg; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H60J7-0ynGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H60J6-0002I3-Oi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53C9859BB38; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30274-06-3; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 640E059C006; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF18159B5FC for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30098-02 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA90259B9DA for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2007 08:00:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAApyqUXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACNPgEBAgcOBwYd Received: from 88-105-205-244.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.205.244]:10523 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H60IL-000BYG-Bt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:00:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:05:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4f114d7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: Dave Symes wrote: > > I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I > > have all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in > > the !Boot Configuration Boot "look at" list. > Tried that too ... same result. > Curiously, D.P.'s reply above never arrived in my Inbox. I only saw it > when I received this (Dave Symes') email. This kind of thing has been > happening a lot recently on freelists ... messages don't appear, or turn > up hours after someone else has replied to them. Anyone know why? > -- > C.B. Sorry I have no particular answers, but just to check. I assume you have manually added them to the "Look at" list? The method I noted does work here on this SARPC RO Select 4.39 and Clib version 5.53 Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H61Qc-1fIGPo-06-9JB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H61Qc-1fIGPo-06-9JB; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:13:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H61Qc-1fIGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:13:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H61Qb-0000Er-AD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:13:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02B2A59B439; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14375-04; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C27D059B4DD; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C008959B439 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14094-03 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B50659B3E2 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H61Pt-000FcM-LF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:12:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4fbfd6dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy > > > heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the > > > Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy > > > (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. > > I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this > > application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I > > know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ > Just downloaded and tried it on my Iyonix and it does just what it > says on the tin. Saved a file from TW in RTF format, and loaded it > straight in to Opro. Worked a treat. I suspect I've got an old version tucked away somewhere. Can someone tell me if there is a "search" command so I can get the machine to look for it. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H61wd-1Uxknw-03-8nA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H61wd-1Uxknw-03-8nA; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:46:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H61wd-1Uxknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:46:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H61wc-0007IJ-9H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:46:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16BA659AF50; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22299-08; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDFAA59BB1D; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:44:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23EFB59B9BB for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22177-03-3 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F18459B119 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1H61vr-0008Ff-7y for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:43 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] RTF filter a the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Received: from 61.203.149.43 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:43 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:43 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1043 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Re the RTF filter: Thank you David Ian Platt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H62pY-0fWGPo-08-GQl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H62pY-0fWGPo-08-GQl; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:43:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H62pY-0fWGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:43:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H62pY-0003mO-1G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:43:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7BF459B7FE; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03896-01; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 685D059B347; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:4