From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:03:11 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GzhBK-0ySGPo-02-9Qj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:03:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GzhBK-0ySGPo-02-9Qj; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:23:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GzhBK-0ySGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:23:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GzhAs-0007O6-Rm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF7AE57C7BE; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29822-02; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29B5D57CB12; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2D4E57C7BE for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29614-03 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E3B157C73D for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 27 Dec 2006 22:22:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAABKBkkXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACOCQEBCQ4q Received: from 88-105-190-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.190.135]:10233 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GzhA8-000JAZ-5C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:22:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:51:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 946 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > > wrote: > > > The would be because you allowed it to go into a specific user > > > profile directory when you did the install... > > At install I get a choice of where I want the .exe and other crud put, > > but don't get a choice of where the installer puts other stuff(In Docs > > and Settings for example). > Right click Start, Click explore, then explore to appropriate directory, > click item, CTRL-X, explore to All users, explore to appropriate > directory, click CTRL-V > Interesting idea for moving shortcuts from one directory to another. :-) > Know thine enemy. Blimey Steve is that all, I was expecting something sophisticated... Even I know about doing it that way... You haven't considered some applications have links in their configuration that point to the place where the Crud has been deposited... Granted, if I wanted to I could manually go into the configs and repoint, but that's a lot of additional work. And that would make me very Grumpy! Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:03:42 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GziXA-1m7Vbs-07-GbP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:03:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GziXA-1m7Vbs-07-GbP; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GziXA-1m7Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GziXA-0001iB-B7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:50:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A861557D405; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18670-01-3; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F191F57D4D5; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F37C57D339 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18522-02 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD7B357D31E for ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 18:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GziWS-0001Bt-PS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:49:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:44:43 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 947 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, > Steven Pampling wrote: > > On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pamplin= g > > > wrote: >=20 > > > > The would be because you allowed it to go into a specific user > > > > profile directory when you did the install... >=20 > > > At install I get a choice of where I want the .exe and other crud p= ut, > > > but don't get a choice of where the installer puts other stuff(In D= ocs > > > and Settings for example). >=20 > > Right click Start, Click explore, then explore to appropriate directo= ry, > > click item, CTRL-X, explore to All users, explore to appropriate > > directory, click CTRL-V >=20 > > Interesting idea for moving shortcuts from one directory to another. = :-) >=20 > > Know thine enemy. >=20 > Blimey Steve is that all, I was expecting something sophisticated... Ev= en > I know about doing it that way... > You haven't considered some applications have links in their configurat= ion > that point to the place where the Crud has been deposited... Granted, i= f I > wanted to I could manually go into the configs and repoint, but that's = a > lot of additional work. And that would make me very Grumpy! You should rejoice in the opportunity to do something new and useful to the rest of mankind. Think of Napier when he invented slide rules and log tables: it must have taken him years to do all the sums for all the numbers. But Napier must have rejoiced in doing this, though he may not have seen quite how useful it was going to be for much of the next 400 years. I cannot believe he would have completed such a project if he was in a continued self-aggrandising grump. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:06:10 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzpdm-3lHVbs-03-9Un.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:06:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzpdm-3lHVbs-03-9Un; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzpdm-3lHVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzpdm-0005St-Gg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA04757D38D; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22664-07; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A03ED57CCFF; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C21E657D38D for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22580-03-10 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B78257D367 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 28 Dec 2006 07:24:43 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKL/kkXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACOCQEBCQ4q Received: from 88-105-200-206.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.200.206]:10121 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gzpaz-0000jR-7m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:22:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:01:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <4e9c2f7bf5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 948 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [Snippy] > You should rejoice in the opportunity to do something new and useful to > the rest of mankind. Think of Napier when he invented slide rules and > log tables: it must have taken him years to do all the sums for all the > numbers. But Napier must have rejoiced in doing this, though he may not > have seen quite how useful it was going to be for much of the next 400 > years. I cannot believe he would have completed such a project if he was > in a continued self-aggrandising grump. No, well yes, erm! The silly b could have save himself a lot of bovver, if he'd invented a computer instead, I mean a proper computer, rather than a loada tables. Then we get to "self aggrandising grump". Whooowooo! big phrases. Actually, I'll let you into a secret... It's all part of the process, part of being a grump means, it's about Me, me me me me me me me! So we get into some me conjugation. You annoy me, They annoy me, She annoys me, He annoys me, The cat annoys me... The list is very long because *almost* everything annoys me. The noise an Oyster make annoys me. Blimey... Even I annoy me. Of course the degree of annoyance varies with each category, and if we are working on a 1 to 10 scale, then things like software writers who write applications, take the money and never finish the product (Oregano 1 and 2 for example) their scale value would probably be 999 out of 10. Some folks here wouldn't ever show on the scale, as I find them helpful, charming and witty. Mr Pilling for example would never present on the annoyance scale, whereas a few others would be way up in the 8/10 area. As for me, myself, I... in most instances I put myself at 7/10 on the annoyance scale, it would be nice to put myself as 10/10 but that really would be living up to your kind epithet. GD ;-) -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:06:27 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzr7b-31J000-03-GXU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:06:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzr7b-31J000-03-GXU; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzr7b-31J000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzr7a-0001E3-JR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:00:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC68657D96D; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07981-03; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B091B57CC69; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCCCB57D998 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07796-03 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9720157D95C for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 03:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3D9E00011E for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 08:59:32 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 07:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar Message-ID: <4e9c338b1bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 949 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > wrote: > > On 27 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>, Steven Pampling > > > wrote: > > > > The would be because you allowed it to go into a specific user > > > > profile directory when you did the install... > > > At install I get a choice of where I want the .exe and other crud > > > put, but don't get a choice of where the installer puts other > > > stuff(In Docs and Settings for example). > > Right click Start, Click explore, then explore to appropriate > > directory, click item, CTRL-X, explore to All users, explore to > > appropriate directory, click CTRL-V > > Interesting idea for moving shortcuts from one directory to another. > > :-) > > Know thine enemy. > Blimey Steve is that all, I was expecting something sophisticated... > Even I know about doing it that way... You haven't considered some > applications have links in their configuration that point to the place > where the Crud has been deposited... Oh, you want to know how to amend the installation file, or even twiddle with **666* THE REGISTRY **666** > Granted, if I wanted to I could > manually go into the configs and repoint, but that's a lot of additional > work. And that would make me very Grumpy! Fascinating stuff. Pays the mortgage. Unfortunately not terribly relevant to this list. OK, slightly so due to the Dark Side version of OP. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 14:22:37 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzw8R-1v9Vbs-03-BWe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:22:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzw8R-1v9Vbs-03-BWe; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:21:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzw8R-1v9Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:21:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzw8R-0007Qr-EM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:21:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF08E57D9E0; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17630-01; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1772457D9D3; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEEBE57D915 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17450-01 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6094257D912 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 09:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gzw7i-000L3H-5Z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:20:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:19:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CrossStar References: <4e9a620af6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9a6f615fIan.Hartley12@btinternet.com> <4e9a9c27fedfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9aacfa86steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9ac11443dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9ad15d30steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9b649580dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9b84a1dbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bc51371dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e9bf301f5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e9bfd346adfs@ukgateway.net> <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 950 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <1888079c4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >You should rejoice in the opportunity to do something new and useful to >the rest of mankind. Think of Napier when he invented slide rules and >log tables: it must have taken him years to do all the sums for all the >numbers. But Napier must have rejoiced in doing this So did Napier have copyright, software patent etc. on his numbers, and sell "Ye Log Tables 1600" which had some of the bugs fixed so you didn't navigate off the edge of the world as often. The truth is quite interesting: http://www.freewebs.com/keiichi_suzuki/book/napier/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 18:32:46 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gzzwu-0BMGPo-01-GEh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:32:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gzzwu-0BMGPo-01-GEh; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gzzwu-0BMGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gzzwt-0003to-Qs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28C1057DC18; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21318-02; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F21A57DD2B; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7176057DC18 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21085-01 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CC8C57D05C for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GzzwB-000J3Y-Br for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:25:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:24:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 951 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006). This has three changes: (1) Support for memory addresses beyond 2GB - to 3GB. (2) Fix for the problem Clive Bonsall had with the SRWE applet - i.e. mishandling the {'Delete} macro (3) Fix for a bug rendering Draw files which Colin Brockie discovered - things go wrong if a line has coincident points. I'd not bother with this upgrade unless the above matter to you. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 28 21:22:55 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H02Yt-4FU000-05-Dci.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:22:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H02Yt-4FU000-05-Dci; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:13:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H02Yt-4FU000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:13:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H02Yt-0004YQ-C8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D7C057D941; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32660-06; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A0A057BA4F; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CE6C57D941 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32241-04-3 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E04557CD27 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H02YB-0001lN-0n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <9DlDWpD+LDlFFwQ9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:11:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 952 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >I've uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (27th December 2006). This >has three changes: I forgot the link: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe and for changes: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/changes.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 16:05:17 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0KBs-1plGPo-05-D2l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:05:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0KBs-1plGPo-05-D2l; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0KBs-1plGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0KBs-0003IL-80 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15C0657D151; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27012-05; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D77E957CFC6; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25F5457D084 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26754-01-3 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B9EC57D246 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcpython.demon.co.uk ([83.104.45.130] helo=iyonix.retreat.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0KB8-0005Lb-3z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:01:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Malcolm Cowell X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:02:02 GMT Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Well, I cannot scan transparencies with Iyonix/DPScan with Epson Perfection 1660 - the transparency light does not come on. Have had the scanner for ages - scans OK in normal mode (subject to the USB workarounds) but, though it goes through the scan routine - progress bar showing scan - there is nothing to view because the light does not come on. The usual light stays on and travels over the scan platform. Where should I be looking for the cause of the problem? -- Malcolm Cowell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:05:20 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0L83-3pw000-06-C6a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:05:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0L83-3pw000-06-C6a; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0L83-3pw000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0L83-00009m-Bx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D93E57CD14; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10984-05; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D26557D135; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D2E157D8FB for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10613-05-7 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E66657D889 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0L7L-000AvF-Ji for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:02:03 +0000 Message-ID: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:00:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 954 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Malcolm Cowell writes >Well, I cannot scan transparencies with Iyonix/DPScan with Epson >Perfection 1660 - the transparency light does not come on. >Where should I be looking for the cause of the problem? e.g. On some Epsons you have to remove a panel from the lid to reveal the top light. It is common for the connecting lead between the lid and the scanner to have come unplugged. Software - the software needs to tell the scanner to scan in transparency mode. Presumably you are ticking the right box, but what then? If you click on preview then transparency preview scans must be set up. If you click on any sort of predefined scan which does not have the transparency flag set then a non-transparency scan will take place. Finally, there is a question over which version of the scanner driver you have. There were problems in the early days with the newer Epsons. I'd better send you the latest version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:35:19 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0LTu-0jpVbs-02-Bkj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0LTu-0jpVbs-02-Bkj; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0LTu-0jpVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0LTt-0006eR-Tc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E296857DEAA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16956-06-7; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B194057DEA9; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9CB957DEAA for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16774-09 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65E5F57DE34 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-139-54.as15444.net [82.163.139.54]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kBTHOPd3003057 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:24:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS Message-ID: <4e9cec9e66john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 955 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > On some Epsons you have to remove a panel from the lid to reveal the top > light. > It is common for the connecting lead between the lid and the scanner to > have come unplugged. > Software - the software needs to tell the scanner to scan in > transparency mode. Presumably you are ticking the right box, but what > then? If you click on preview then transparency preview scans must be > set up. If you click on any sort of predefined scan which does not have > the transparency flag set then a non-transparency scan will take place. > Finally, there is a question over which version of the scanner driver > you have. There were problems in the early days with the newer Epsons. > I'd better send you the latest version. One more thing I found when I first scanned slides that might catch people out (though it might be different on the 1660, mine is a 2400). The slideholder strip has a gap at one end that lets light through, and I assume is used to calibrate the brightness. If you put the strip the wrong way round, the detector can't see the light here, assumes the light is very dim, and winds the wick up, so you get an almost white image. John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:35:20 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0LVc-08qVbs-07-Bj1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0LVc-08qVbs-07-Bj1; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:27:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0LVc-08qVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:27:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0LVb-0002L3-Js for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:27:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A012657DEDA; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17329-01; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B61C57DEB7; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E30CA57DE34 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17104-04-9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D52F57DEA9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcpython.demon.co.uk ([83.104.45.130] helo=iyonix.retreat.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0LUt-000Fo6-Ja for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:26:23 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Malcolm Cowell X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:26:30 GMT Message-ID: <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> References: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 956 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message , Malcolm Cowell > writes >>Well, I cannot scan transparencies with Iyonix/DPScan with Epson >>Perfection 1660 - the transparency light does not come on. >>Where should I be looking for the cause of the problem? > > e.g. > > On some Epsons you have to remove a panel from the lid to reveal the top > light. > > It is common for the connecting lead between the lid and the scanner to > have come unplugged. > > Software - the software needs to tell the scanner to scan in > transparency mode. Presumably you are ticking the right box, but what > then? If you click on preview then transparency preview scans must be > set up. If you click on any sort of predefined scan which does not have > the transparency flag set then a non-transparency scan will take place. > > Finally, there is a question over which version of the scanner driver > you have. There were problems in the early days with the newer Epsons. > I'd better send you the latest version. > All OK with latest version of Epson GT software: majorversion:2 minorversion:12 just received from David by email, as opposed to the one I was attempting to use: majorversion:2 minorversion:10 Brilliant. Thank you. -- Malcolm Cowell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 17:35:21 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0LZ6-01nGPo-08-BfX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:35:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0LZ6-01nGPo-08-BfX; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:30:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0LZ6-01nGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:30:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0LZ5-0006N0-LM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:30:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87EDC57DF0A; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18245-04; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4112D57DF04; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1046757DF0A for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18000-03-3 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A8BE57DEDB for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061229172959.IYRN28196.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:59 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20061229172959.OPAJ219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:29:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 957 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry if you get two of these - I just realised I posted to the old = address. Here's a duplicate: Hello, David, I have a program which produces a simple DDL file of the form STORY_001=3D{story=20 "TITLE" {newpara} {endoftext} } which I then drop into a master OvationPro document to produce the = finished work. This works fine but I would like to enhance the DDL file to contain = embedded lines. I was hoping that the following would work: RULE_001=3D{line {thickness 2000} {fcurve {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}} } STORY_001=3D{story=20 "TITLE" {newpara} {embed RULE_001} {newpara} {endoftext} } but it gives Type 5 errors when dropped into a document. I have tried = various other arrangements but without success. Is there some way I can = achieve what I was aiming for? Seasonal Greetings John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry if you get two of these - I = just=20 realised I posted to the old address.  Here's a=20 duplicate:
 
 
Hello, David,
 
I have a program which produces = a simple DDL=20 file of the form
 
STORY_001=3D{story=20 =
"TITLE"
{newpara}
{endoftext}
}
 
which I then drop into a master = OvationPro document=20 to produce the finished work.
 
This works fine but I would = like to=20 enhance the DDL file to contain embedded lines.  I was hoping that = the=20 following would work:

RULE_001=3D{line
{thickness = 2000}
{fcurve=20 {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}}
}
 
STORY_001=3D{story
"TITLE"
{newpara}
{embed=20 = RULE_001}
{newpara}
{endoftext}
}
 
but it gives Type 5 errors when dropped = into a=20 document.  I have tried various other arrangements but without=20 success.  Is there some way I can achieve what I was aiming=20 for?
 
Seasonal Greetings
John Grogan
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C72B6E.F57BD9C0-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 29 22:25:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H0Q38-1Muknw-08-Fi1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:25:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H0Q38-1Muknw-08-Fi1; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H0Q38-1Muknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H0Q38-0003HB-2f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:18:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE41957DFED; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28123-01; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 819EF57E043; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6222E57DED9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27835-03 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F6A857C3C9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H0Q2O-0006yn-51 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:17:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:16:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Scanning transparencies Epson 1660 RISCOS References: <2kWxvxBxmUlFFwCN@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 958 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8e93ec9c4e.malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm Cowell writes >All OK with latest version of Epson GT software: majorversion:2 >minorversion:12 just received from David by email, as opposed to the >one I was attempting to use: majorversion:2 >minorversion:10 The situation with the Epson driver is mixed up. There has been a lot of tinkering with it to deal with bugs, oddities of various models of scanner, the dual USB systems (both Simtec and Castle have had a go at the code), and adding new USB id codes. All against the background of the vanishing market. In other words, business as usual, there are no version numbers worth bothering with and no log of changes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 15:04:51 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1284-2PXGPo-04-Bj9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:04:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1284-2PXGPo-04-Bj9; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1284-2PXGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1284-0005R2-5H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:57:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74EEA57E90F; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04193-07-10; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06D6757E998; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A7DE57E90F for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04014-02-2 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B16657E95D for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H127M-000BRt-99 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:56:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:55:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 959 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. The link is: http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 15:14:52 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H12IB-0Pq000-02-BZ2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:14:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H12IB-0Pq000-02-BZ2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H12IB-0Pq000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H12IB-0004Z5-0H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DC4057D7D2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06501-03-10; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A19257DE25; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2523E57DC60 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06297-07 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6BE757DBF4 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H12HS-000I2E-Gg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:07:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 960 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > The link is: > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one > since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a > compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. Thank you. A good New Year present. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 15:34:53 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H12bq-0ALknw-08-BFN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:34:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H12bq-0ALknw-08-BFN; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H12bq-0ALknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H12bq-0000jI-JW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B027B57DF69; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10460-02; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F97657DF5B; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11B7E57DF69 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10301-02 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 904C057DF68 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 10:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061231152742.LYLF18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:27:42 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.4.4.147]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061231152742.BFEK29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:27:42 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:29:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 961 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e9de7c381charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, > >> I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > >> The link is: > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > >> Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one >> since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a >> compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > >> Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. > > Thank you. A good New Year present. > Yes David a big thank you and all the best for the new year Alan -- Rev. Dr. Alan G.C.Leighton Priory Lodge, 86b Church Lane Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 17:14:59 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H14Cq-1Ic000-06-9eN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:14:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H14Cq-1Ic000-06-9eN; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H14Cq-1Ic000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H14Cm-0007Tm-Ki for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6073C57D0F8; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31653-02-6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 153C257D52A; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 719A657CC5E for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31387-05 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF49157D126 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H14C1-000B1I-6K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:09:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:08:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 962 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan=20 writes >This works fine but I=A0would like=A0to enhance the DDL file to contain em= bedded >lines.=A0 I was hoping that the following would work: > RULE_001=3D{line > {thickness 2000} > {fcurve {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}} > } > =A0 > STORY_001=3D{story > "TITLE" > {newpara} > {embed RULE_001} > {newpara} > {endoftext} > } It won't work - you've discovered that. It can't work though. DDL works=20 by having a current context, a point in the document at which activity=20 takes place. When you drop the above DDL into a text frame the point is set to the=20 text frame. So creating text there with the story command makes sense. However what you do is create a line, the context then shifts to be that=20 line. If you save a document with lines embedded in text stories the lines are=20 created, then the text frame, then the story. I've long felt that DDL should be extended so that there are commands=20 that let you move to a point in a document, or apply new values to an=20 existing object. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 17:24:59 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H14Ia-0NGknw-07-9Yd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:24:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H14Ia-0NGknw-07-9Yd; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H14Ia-0NGknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H14IZ-0007JM-VZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B99B57D74E; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00505-01; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED63357DADB; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF3B57D511 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32755-02 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04C7857D30D for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.132.12.90] by mxout5.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JB500DWQEME7I30@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:15:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:17:50 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 963 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > > The link is: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > > Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one > since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like > a compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > > Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. Many thanks, David! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il From rkp@par.me.uk Sun Dec 31 18:35:00 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H15RN-2v9knw-07-GwM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H15RN-2v9knw-07-GwM; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H15RN-2v9knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:49 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H15RM-00030O-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:48 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-206-70.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.206.70]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DEAE000177 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:29:48 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:00:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e9df7559erkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > ...... Many thanks. Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 18:45:00 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H15X1-3tFknw-02-Gqi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:45:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H15X1-3tFknw-02-Gqi; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H15X1-3tFknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H15X1-0006hf-31 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 465E057D7CB; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18569-02; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11CFF57D4B6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8574357D7CB for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18359-03 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C331057D1C6 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H15WI-0000Li-GS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:34:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:33:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS References: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 964 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I get the picture, there's interest in RISC OS stuff... I hope you have a good New Year. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 19:05:01 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H15t1-4eDknw-03-GUi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:05:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H15t1-4eDknw-03-GUi; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H15t1-4eDknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H15t0-0002cN-Cm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9461957E811; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23390-01-7; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 527CB57E1F6; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DB9B57E203 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23163-01 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04B9F57DF42 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061231185737.QVFO18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:57:37 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20061231185736.OESL219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:57:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:57:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 965 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pilling" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:08 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files > > In message <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan > writes > >This works fine but I would like to enhance the DDL file to contain > >embedded > >lines. I was hoping that the following would work: > > RULE_001={line > > {thickness 2000} > > {fcurve {path {move 0 0}{draw 100000 0}{end}}} > > } > > STORY_001={story > > "TITLE" > > {newpara} > > {embed RULE_001} > > {newpara} > > {endoftext} > > } > > It won't work - you've discovered that. It can't work though. DDL works by > having a current context, a point in the document at which activity takes > place. > > When you drop the above DDL into a text frame the point is set to the text > frame. So creating text there with the story command makes sense. > > However what you do is create a line, the context then shifts to be that > line. > > If you save a document with lines embedded in text stories the lines are > created, then the text frame, then the story. > > I've long felt that DDL should be extended so that there are commands that > let you move to a point in a document, or apply new values to an existing > object. > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 Thanks, David. I had a feeling you were going to say something like that! Two possible thoughts: (a) could DDL be changed to allow in-line definitions e.g. {embed {line <..data..>}} (b) I tried putting the line definition in the DDL file for the master document but it wasn't recognised when I tried to reference it from the dropped-in DDL. Would it be possible to allow this? As a further line of thought - I think it relates to your last comment - would it be possible to permit multiple "embed" references to a single object? Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 31 19:45:05 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H16XX-0ssVbs-04-FqC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:45:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H16XX-0ssVbs-04-FqC; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H16XX-0ssVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H16XX-00036Q-6b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:40:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A6FD57D986; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32482-10; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A56A57D9D2; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD8B557D986 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32285-01-6 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id AFA8C57D71B for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 34587 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2006 19:39:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hQESXfFyYfLNlk4DTo3JVqkYKl6vN4/f5MN7P3SubVbiSwpBTjwM8BYMJZxqvFEaigvONLVV5gihvDCB7ykCBf1HlOd/nfjunt1TFFG55Zn4ufDy+GRJSmb8i5ta4VspEQKtyTIcOeQEc8K72w3IQD+zzsBmrM/ZkhC0STqQdSk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.btopenworld.com) (doug.j.webb@btinternet.com@86.144.226.35 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2006 19:39:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ho6kPJQVM1n..lG5.NkMjTijHsJFLOBTbObw_h4w2j_SvYASITQh6YFwgo._1NaBkwpUllVmnOPp_21_1xW32Tu3G6plflnZp4vgfGgIr4wFw6gypZmcqKOeBKiOHWdk7cKIswbPFlMQUicEQVxww.ofS30- Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:39:20 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 966 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. > > The link is: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip > > Two changes. The skew feature no longer crashes - an interesting one > since it appears to have come in with the move to 32 bits, looks like a > compiler problem, and no one noticed until a few weeks back. > > Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. > > David, Thank you for yet another update. Happy 07 Doug -- Using a Iyonix PC 512Mb, RISC OS5.12, !NetFetch & !MessengerPro. All based on UK technology, No Microsoft Windows here From tim@powys.org Sun Dec 31 19:55:06 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H16jf-2NDknw-06-Fe4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:55:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H16jf-2NDknw-06-Fe4; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H16jf-2NDknw-06 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H16jf-00003F-CF for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H16je-0003XW-J7 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:52:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:49:49 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <6a5e019e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4597F0BE.80200@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message of 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I get the picture, there's interest in RISC OS stuff... > > I hope you have a good New Year. And a good one to you. Can I add my chorus to the hopefully long list of thanks for the continued support of ImageMaster? And these days I would cheerfully pay a reasonable annual fee for such support. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 14:08:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1Nha-3YYknw-04-FjB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:08:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1Nha-3YYknw-04-FjB; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:59:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1Nha-3YYknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:59:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1NZS-0006wO-I4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:51:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84C5957DD64; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32583-02-4; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41D4B57DD9A; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B07D757DC11 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32238-01 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E0E857D9A4 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 08:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H1NYd-000LFn-8q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 13:50:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:49:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan writes >Two possible thoughts: >(a) could DDL be changed to allow in-line definitions e.g. > {embed {line <..data..>}} That works on the Windows version. It fits in with the syntax and it made life a lot easier when handling embedded graphics in RTF files. >(b) I tried putting the line definition in the DDL file for the master >document > but it wasn't recognised when I tried to reference it from the >dropped-in > DDL. Would it be possible to allow this? That's really going back to my idea about allowing commands in the DDL to move around - Another approach would be some way of finding the object id of a given object. >As a further line of thought - I think it relates to your last comment >- would >it be possible to permit multiple "embed" references to a single object? My last comment was a way of saying make this frame pink. I guess embed acts like a cut command destroying the original non-embedded object. There's a parallel with pictures, if a picture is used in more than one place, then more than one instance of it is made. You'll see this sort of thing in the DDL. PICTURE101=PICTURE100 This doesn't actually copy all the data, it just bumps up a count of the number of times the object is used. So that only when all instances have been finished with does the thing get deleted. I'm not sure if the counting etc. that goes on with pictures is supported for all object types. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 14:48:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1OLe-14GVbs-02-F57.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:48:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1OLe-14GVbs-02-F57; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:41:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1OLe-14GVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:41:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1OKj-0002Xd-Jq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:40:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 614F657D387; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11885-04; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28FA257CD66; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FE1E57D67E for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11184-01 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B33E57D1C6 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H1OHr-0008Hs-75 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:37:15 +0000 Received: from [82.33.200.41] (helo=iyonixpc.workgroup) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H1OHq-0004Ji-RU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:37:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:27:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e9e67b23fjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 968 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David, My thanks too and Happy New Year wishes from someone else who appreciates your efforts. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 15:38:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1PDO-3c7Vbs-04-EDN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:38:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1PDO-3c7Vbs-04-EDN; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:36:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1PDO-3c7Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:36:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1P6E-0005tV-Ql for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:29:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D79357D93F; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24719-02; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22B8F57DC33; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D1757D93F for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24583-02 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A26857D647 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 10:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070101152829.UBHV28196.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:28:29 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070101152829.NTFZ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:28:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:28:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 969 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Pilling" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:49 PM >Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files > > In message <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan > writes >>Two possible thoughts: >>(a) could DDL be changed to allow in-line definitions e.g. >> {embed {line <..data..>}} > > That works on the Windows version. It fits in with the syntax and it > made life a lot easier when handling embedded graphics in RTF files. > Hello, David, Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest for me to implement in my software creating DDL files - I would imagine for the same reason that you found this best for RTF. Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to the list of RiscOS enhancements? Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 1 21:58:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H1VAJ-1XVVbs-06-Gmy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:58:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H1VAJ-1XVVbs-06-Gmy; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H1VAJ-1XVVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H1VAJ-0000lD-Di for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62E2E57E1A3; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01689-02; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CCCF57E903; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C10757E8A0 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01513-04 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC2E57E216 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H1V9a-0009V7-IM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:57:10 +0000 Message-ID: <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:55:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 970 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan writes >Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest >for me to implement in my software creating DDL files - I would >imagine for the same reason that you found this best for RTF. > >Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to >the list of RiscOS enhancements? I'll have a look, I don't think it was a big change anyway. I've not forgotten about doing the RTF loader for RISC OS. Unfortunately the week after that subject last came up the hard disc on my RISC PC threw a wobbly, and I bought one of those Seagate 80GB drives that don't work with RISC PCs... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 5 11:59:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H2abd-3K2000-07-91G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:59:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H2abd-3K2000-07-91G; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H2abd-3K2000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H2abb-00058M-0V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82ED45817B4; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16379-05; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53B1458193B; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 670EB5817B4 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16089-05-8 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3474B581639 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H2aaq-000Fx1-2r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:57:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:57:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 971 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >>Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest >>Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to >I'll have a look, I don't think it was a big change anyway. OK, I've added this feature to Ovation Pro for RISC OS. I've uploaded a new patch program to 2.77 4th. January 2007. See: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Just in case anyone is wondering the sole new feature in this version is the ability to create objects in DDL files within the scope of the embed operator. So only of interest to programmers until someone uses the new feature, users need not worry. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 5 12:00:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H2do2-0Lgknw-03-ELN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:00:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H2do2-0Lgknw-03-ELN; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:23:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H2do2-0Lgknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:23:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H2do2-0001S4-8Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:23:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34F4F5821AF; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18200-02; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9434582156; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB5885821CD for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17686-10 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4AC35821C3 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070105012252.OEDM28196.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:22:52 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070105012252.UXFK26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:22:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c73068$0490d0c0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001801c72b6e$f6ce4a60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001301c72d0d$88762f60$9601a8c0@PC01> <001f01c72db9$7be5dcd0$9601a8c0@PC01> <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 01:22:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 972 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Embedded objects in DDL files > In message <7IAyEoDnNYmFFw5F@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes >>>Thanks for your reply. In-line definitions would in fact be simplest > >>>Guess what the next question is! Any chance of adding this to > >>I'll have a look, I don't think it was a big change anyway. > > OK, I've added this feature to Ovation Pro for RISC OS. I've uploaded a > new patch program to 2.77 4th. January 2007. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > > Just in case anyone is wondering the sole new feature in this version is > the ability to create objects in DDL files within the scope of the embed > operator. So only of interest to programmers until someone uses the new > feature, users need not worry. > Hello, David, Brilliant! You're a STAR! Works with pictures too! Many thanks for your incredible sevice. Kind regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 6 18:40:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3GNZ-2SYknw-04-9ru.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:40:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3GNZ-2SYknw-04-9ru; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:34:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3GNZ-2SYknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:34:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3GNY-0005zb-2b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:34:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27ABD582DE3; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15433-01; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CE56582DFA; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53F0D585D92 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14914-04 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3539A585D4A for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 47468 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 18:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@86.146.55.38 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 18:33:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4GjpVHkVM1mmzCgCzgWeZS2aDcoGkQCBlRhEV7YMnM7TwR4ULJZMQN_GCjyygChR3YwB._OGwnc9WyW0OUVF.vd2hV9zy78hr8L3FkmR15JLTuy7Osg- Message-ID: <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:33:51 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 973 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block of text? For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove one of those effects and leave the others in place? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 6 20:50:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3IOB-0LC000-02-GNo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:50:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3IOB-0LC000-02-GNo; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3IOB-0LC000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3IOA-0003V4-Je for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31106585B61; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19638-03; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCE43584198; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61D22585BF9 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19169-03 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5850A585BBB for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41093 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2007 20:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.157.242.211 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2007 20:42:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u2KNXSgVM1k6SwQcE8FfS6V1XgLC3Ix46KApH.a8gR5hmq8ZPgE3UfOZZqg9Ftw1zsrG_x9qtZc8cEtbTu2hQp4pMep.bNld6dSHCiPbGndykmSLFYc- Message-ID: <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:42:47 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 974 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block > of text? > > For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. > italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove one > of those effects and leave the others in place? > I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of text containing many examples of each effect, such that it would be very tedious to remove each instance of an effect manually. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 6 21:00:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3IYf-0IgGPo-05-GDK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:00:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3IYf-0IgGPo-05-GDK; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:54:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3IYf-0IgGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:54:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3IYe-0000hM-Ed for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:54:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 473FF585E18; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22418-04-9; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3075585E4F; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:52:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3842D585E3E for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22303-01-6 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B48C8585E2D for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3IXr-000CwU-5J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:53:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:53:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 975 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects > > from a block of text? > I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of > text containing many examples of each effect, such that it > would be very tedious to remove each instance of an effect > manually. If you perform the action used to apply the effect to a block of text in which that effect is used in places but not throughout, it will apply it to the /whole/ block. You can then perform the same action again to toggle the effect, i.e. to /remove/ it from the whole block. e.g. for the line of text 123456789, with 345 in italic and the rest in roman: i) Select all of 123456789 ii) ctrl-I to change all of 123456789 to italic iii) ctrl-I again to change all back to roman From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3RDe-1lDGPo-02-G4r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3RDe-1lDGPo-02-G4r; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:09:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3RDe-1lDGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:09:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3RDe-0001GH-0Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:09:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311DC586EC7; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11748-02; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00FC0586E4A; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A5C0586EC7 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11506-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D2A586E49 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.199.155] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H3KI3-000NbT-En for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:45:27 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Exporting Artworks image from OvPro RISC OS 2.77 to OvProW 2.92 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:36:05 GMT Message-ID: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 976 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dear All, Is this possible? I tried saving the graphic as a bitmap, using one of the save option proferred by Artworks (booted up selecting and using the OLE), but the resultant file was rejected by windows XP. Saving as !Draw worked well - but why not a bitmap? I am advised Firstly you can (on RISC OS) export the Artworks files from Ovation Pro and convert them into sprites and then reimport the sprites into Ovation Pro and finally take the document to Windows. Artworks can save graphics as sprites. There is at least one free program that can convert Artworks files to sprites. Secondly in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, it is possible to set up a proxy image (Picture menu) for the Artworks images, then take the document to Windows and the proxy will be used. Since you're going to use the proxy image as the production image choose proxy settings that give enough resolution. I am sure these are right but would prefer to just move an OvPro/dpd from one platform to another. What is the best route? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3U3u-28YVbs-08-DEb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3U3u-28YVbs-08-DEb; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:11:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3U3u-28YVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:11:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3U3u-0000CP-AZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:11:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65DE0587320; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23708-03; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E86EF586414; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:09:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9F79587312 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23593-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 874CC586414 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF080E0001FD for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 977 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 06 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block > > of text? > > > > For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. > > italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove > > one of those effects and leave the others in place? > > > I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of text > containing many examples of each effect, such that it would be very > tedious to remove each instance of an effect manually. Peter is suggesting highlighting the blocks of effect text adding and then removing. It is actually easier to select the effect text and *right-click* the effect item in the menu to remove the effect (a lot easier) However I suspect you have a sizable document and many small instances of the effect so:- Save the document as DDL and the effects will be clearly visible as text items like this: *************************** STORY_115={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01}{bold 1} "For example, if in a block " {bold} "of text several effects are set (e.g. " {bold 0}{italic 1} "italics" {bold 1}{italic} "," {bold} " " {super 1}{sub 0} "superscript" {sub} ", space before), is there a simple way to remove one of those effects and " "leave the others in place?" {newpara} } ***************************** In the text above to remove superscript all through the exported text do a search and replace in the text editor of your choice and replace {super 1}{sub 0} with nothing and replace {sub} with nothing. Replace {italic 1} and {italic} with nothing to remove italic effect. Replace {bold 1} and {bold} with nothing to remove italic effect. Take the edited DDL and drop it onto OvPro and then save. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3VrP-14QGPo-01-BR6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3VrP-14QGPo-01-BR6; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3VrP-14QGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3VrN-0001lw-Be for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D03C586874; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19163-02; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1299158693D; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 187A058693E for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18904-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6386B586831 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 94833 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 11:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 11:05:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lh8u6ZgVM1k6sHlglBjVj.qwmnLx7yevwv0lJ90rQ5LS4A_L98q3ztYEWYNAbvS_IDgOGcOGplJBFAal6jJrnBT4fIbru2O5nv9HnDwXR2._3krv6IM- Message-ID: <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:05:52 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 978 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Peter Newble wrote: > In article <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > wrote: >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects >>> from a block of text? > >> I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of >> text containing many examples of each effect, such that it >> would be very tedious to remove each instance of an effect >> manually. > > If you perform the action used to apply the effect to a block of > text in which that effect is used in places but not throughout, > it will apply it to the /whole/ block. You can then perform the > same action again to toggle the effect, i.e. to /remove/ it from > the whole block. Thanks, I knew about that --- perhaps I gave misleading examples. Let me try again ... First, I should have made clear that I'm using OPW, tho' I guess the same applies to OP (RiscOS) The real problem is not with effects like ITALIC, SUPERSCRIPT, etc., but with text formatting effects entered via the dialogue box --- e.g. extra line space before/after, extra leading --- applied to blocks of text. I have a large document in which (to one section) extra line spaces (in various point sizes) have been applied before or after a number of different blocks of text (don't ask ...). I want to remove ALL those extra line spaces and start again, without removing other effects in the document such as ITALICS, SUPERSCRIPT, etc. Initially, I thought the way to do this would be to select the whole of the affected section and apply 0 space before & 0 space after. This appears not to work. For example, create an OPW document with four short paragraphs. Select paragraph 1 and apply . Select para 2 and apply . Select para 3 and apply . Select para 4 and apply . Then save the document. Re-open the document, select all four paragraphs and open the Modify Format dialogue (Menu>Text>Format) --- the and boxes will be blank. Type 0pt into each box and click OK. Re-select the four paragraphs and open the Modify Format dialogue --- the box shows 0pt, but the box is still blank and, clearly, the extra line spaces have not all been removed from the selected text. What is the solution to this problem? Steven Pampling suggests editing the DDL file. Well, yes, been there, done that ... many times. Yesterday evening, I spent an hour-and-a-half editing the DDL fle in Notepad to remove all references to {spacebefore...} and {spaceafter...} --- and I can confirm that it is extremely laborious (and for some reason I don't understand, find/replace in Notepad is extremely slow even on relatively small OPW(DDL) files). I also noticed that there was lots of redundant code in the DDL (numerous examples of {spacebefore}{spaceafter}, {colourvalue...}, etc., doing nothing very much) --- the cumulative result of frequent line space and text colour changes during the editing of the original OPW document. Is there no other way of stripping out this redundant code (I.E. like cleaning up HTML), and no other way of doing a global removal of line spaces added as effects (i.e. external to user-created styles)? Or am I asking for too much ... ? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 11:34:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Vwp-27hVbs-06-BLg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:34:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Vwp-27hVbs-06-BLg; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Vwp-27hVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Vwo-0007Np-Le for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:12:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AC9586AC2; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20323-01-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED2A4586AF0; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD5F15869C4 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20183-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 1433C586985 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21456 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 11:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 11:11:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QhWm.aUVM1mn_pwpaRMISIgKuaQ_pcQ.sLbtBXbBFyXCR1n6e8ecTFNPyoXmNcllehGTk8F_UyTvC62T6cf3h0TQy4O9oX7Ca6tuG8f9zDd2SEPYCvk- Message-ID: <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:11:33 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 979 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Steven Pampling wrote: > On 06 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> Is there a simple way to selectively remove local effects from a block >>> of text? >>> >>> For example, if in a block of text several effects are set (e.g. >>> italics, superscript, space before), is there a simple way to remove >>> one of those effects and leave the others in place? >>> >> I should have been clearer ... I was referring to a block of text >> containing many examples of each effect, such that it would be very >> tedious to remove each instance of an effect manually. > > Peter is suggesting highlighting the blocks of effect text adding and then > removing. It is actually easier to select the effect text and *right-click* > the effect item in the menu to remove the effect (a lot easier) Should have said I'm using OPW ... right-click doesn't work, and the effects menu is limited to things like Italics, Bold, etc. > However I suspect you have a sizable document and many small instances of > the effect so:- > > Save the document as DDL and the effects will be clearly visible as text > items > Take the edited DDL and drop it onto OvPro and then save. Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming (see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 12:04:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Wgr-1D9000-07-Abe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:04:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Wgr-1D9000-07-Abe; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Wgr-1D9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Wgr-00061o-9x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1256F586B97; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31880-01; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95423586BA2; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 782245869A1 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31749-05-4 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5C70586B03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 06:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3Wg9-0005vt-7N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:57:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 980 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming >(see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. A few comments none of which may be helpful. Editing speed. There are many free and faster editors than notepad for Windows. The one at: http://www.catch22.net/ springs to mind - although I have not tried that one. You could also change the extension on the DDL file from .ddl to .txt and import into Ovation Pro, do the editing and then save as text, change the extension back to .ddl I think that when DDL files are loaded back into Ovation Pro redundant effect changes are removed. If you had used styles then things would be easier. I suppose at this stage one could use an editor to replace the effects with user styles in DDL, but it does depend on how consistent the use of effects is. When an effect shows blank for the value it means there isn't a single value in use across a selected area of text. In this situation a double application usually turns off an effect, one click to make the whole selected area bold, a second to make the whole selection not bold. Finally I'm sorry there obviously is a shortcoming here. Possibly search and replace with the ability to handle effects would be the solution. Another idea would be to have three-state buttons in the effects dialogues (text, format etc.) (just like in the equivalent dialogues for user styles). I suspect this was not done in the first place to make things look simpler. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 13:44:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3YGf-4Hiknw-04-91q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:44:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3YGf-4Hiknw-04-91q; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3YGf-4Hiknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3YGf-0001cK-2x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13B92586BBB; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27002-01-11; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E536F586C25; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CE0158670D for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26809-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44E04586639 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3YFv-000Jw1-Fu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea17a609dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 981 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > The real problem is not with effects like ITALIC, SUPERSCRIPT, > etc., but with text formatting effects entered via the > dialogue box --- e.g. extra line space > before/after, extra leading --- applied to blocks of text. I > have a large document in which (to one section) extra line > spaces (in various point sizes) have been applied before or > after a number of different blocks of text (don't ask ...). I > want to remove ALL those extra line spaces and start again, > without removing other effects in the document such as > ITALICS, SUPERSCRIPT, etc. > Initially, I thought the way to do this would be to select the > whole of the affected section and apply 0 space before & 0 > space after. In my experience, it won't, provided that some of that selection of text already has the spacing you're trying to apply. If you apply a spacing which currently doesn't apply to /any/ of the selection, that will successfully apply it to all of it, then, once again, you can apply a spacing of 0 to all of it. But that's not the answer really, because now you've got a block of text which has an effect (of 0) applied (therefore overriding underlying styles) when really you wanted to remove the effect. Eight years after moving from Impression Publisher Plus to Ovation Pro for RISC OS, the one thing I still occasionally miss about Impression is its ability to treat effects as styles -- not often, because I'm now much more disciplined in my use of styles, and use effects much less, but there are times when a one-off effect makes more sense than the use of a style and it's frustrating that the only way to get rid of some effects (except at DDL level) is to remove /all/ effects from a selection. Also in Impression, as far as I can remember, one could experiment with effects on a piece of text then make those effects into a style, which could then be edited in the style editor and/or applied to other text. That's less easy to achieve in Ovation Pro. In article , David Pilling wrote: > Another idea would be to have three-state buttons in the > effects dialogues (text, format etc.) (just like in the > equivalent dialogues for user styles). I suspect this was not > done in the first place to make things look simpler. That would be an excellent idea in the 'Modify text'and 'Modify text format' dialogue boxes. It couldn't work in the same way using menus to select/change effects, but then Windows menus seem to be less flexible for this kind of thing than RISC OS menus anyway. An extra button next to each effect in those two dialogue boxes (e.g. for leading, tracking, etc.) to /remove/ the effect from the caret/selection would be good too, but that would add a lot more clutter. Maybe it could be an 'expert' option in 'Choices', choosing between either simple or comprehensive effects dialogue boxes (i.e., in RISC OS terms, choosing between pairs of templates)? Or it could be selected by a radio button, off by default, at the bottom of each dialogue box, to expand the window to show the extra options. Another option might be a function to provide a summary in the manner of an HTML form, listing all effects used at the caret or in the current selection, e.g. Text: Italic Bold Foreground blue Size 18pt Size 24pt Tracking 50 Tracking 100 V shift 25% Text format: Alignment Centre Alignment Right Leading 50% Leading +6pt with a tick box next to each item and the option to remove the ticked items. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 14:14:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Ykv-3EOknw-06-8Xa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:14:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Ykv-3EOknw-06-8Xa; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Ykv-3EOknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Ykt-0003lo-8q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:12:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46839586C6D; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03599-04-4; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7FE6586E41; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB5BD586DDB for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03440-04 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6EDF586DD0 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3YkB-0000aO-4C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 14:11:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:10:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting Artworks image from OvPro RISC OS 2.77 to OvProW 2.92 References: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 982 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk>, charles writes >proferred by Artworks (booted up selecting and using the OLE), but the >resultant file was rejected by windows XP. How was it rejected? e.g. an error message? >I am sure these are right but would prefer to just move an OvPro/dpd >from one platform to another. Well the proxy thing will give you a document that works on both platforms and automatically uses the best quality image available. Another aspect is that if you convert to a bitmap you are going to use a lot more memory and probably get less resolution. As long as converting to Draw does not lose you features (like fills or transparency) then Draw is good choice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 15:24:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3Zs5-0NJ000-01-Fww.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:24:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3Zs5-0NJ000-01-Fww; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3Zs5-0NJ000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3Zs4-0004Ym-Mh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:23:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9013586CC3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24279-05-6; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5FFB586721; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7335867CB for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24127-08-6 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5B44F586B61 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 49562 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 15:22:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: j5d_.GUVM1nKYQsBbRzaEcKQ5MfVimS1600T2lytadRPSQc0JsT5DZP3Ukd1T4P5ILcUZw6206F5AsRm5JSRfPaPA2YKXpTEbaLizdA.3i1aNfQ3fe.1yFCGliSnMQZv3Q1fpbUwLsD__E_9FFG8o5r3StG7GNVW Message-ID: <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:22:54 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 983 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming >> (see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. > > > A few comments none of which may be helpful. They are ... thanks. > Editing speed ... > You could also change the extension on the DDL file from .ddl to .txt > and import into Ovation Pro, do the editing and then save as text, > change the extension back to .ddl Hadn't thought of that. One problem I've discovered, OPW's Search & Replace facility won't allow strings like {italic 1} in the search field (tho' notepad will). What is the way around that? > I think that when DDL files are loaded back into Ovation Pro redundant > effect changes are removed. You may be right. I haven't managed to generate any redundant effects this morning, so can't test it. > If you had used styles then things would be easier. I suppose at this > stage one could use an editor to replace the effects with user styles in > DDL, but it does depend on how consistent the use of effects is. I know ... 20/20 hindsight, etc. But I've hit a problem when trying to replace the italics effect with my own user-defined style (apart from the search & replace problem, that is). ISTM that when you apply italics as an effect, only one thing changes, i.e. normal text becomes italic (everything else --- point size, leading, etc. --- remains the same); the effect is simply overlaid on the existing style, and this is so wherever in the document you happen to be. Is it possible to create an Italics style that behaves in exactly the same way ... i.e. that doesn't have a fixed point size, leading, indent, etc? Or do I have to "base" the new italics style on one of the existing styles in the document? What I'm finding so far is, if I create an Italics style based on Bodytext (which is 10/12pt, lock to grid, 0 indents, etc) and I apply it to text in the Bodytext style ... then everything is hunkydory. But if I apply the same Italics style to another area of text in the same document which has another user-defined style set (e.g. 9pt text, no lock to grid, 4mm indents, etc) ... then I get a real mess. This perhaps brings us to Peter Newble's point about Impression and the ability to create an effect and convert it into a style. > Finally I'm sorry there obviously is a shortcoming here. Possibly search > and replace with the ability to handle effects would be the solution. > Another idea would be to have three-state buttons in the effects > dialogues (text, format etc.) (just like in the equivalent dialogues for > user styles). Something along those lines would certainly be very useful. As would Peter Newble's suggestion of an option listing all effects used in the current selection ... then, if had to do a search and replace in the DDL, at least I'd know exactly what to look for. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 17:44:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3bvV-1rOknw-05-DtW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:44:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3bvV-1rOknw-05-DtW; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:35:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3bvV-1rOknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:35:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3bvP-0005aj-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:35:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 954F85869AC; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04803-04; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 171E4586F4E; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 092DB5869AC for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04160-04 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3688D58634A for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3buB-000Mrq-Gf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:33:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:32:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 984 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Hadn't thought of that. One problem I've discovered, OPW's Search & >Replace facility won't allow strings like {italic 1} in the search >field (tho' notepad will). What is the way around that? Yes, {} have a special meaning in the search and replace fields. So you have to quote them out with a | (bar) character. You'd search for |{italic 1} >I know ... 20/20 hindsight, etc. But I've hit a problem when trying to >replace the italics effect with my own user-defined style (apart from >the search & replace problem, that is). ISTM that when you apply >italics as an effect, only one thing changes, i.e. normal text becomes >italic (everything else --- point size, leading, etc. --- remains the >same); the effect is simply overlaid on the Correct. >Is it possible to create an Italics style that behaves in exactly the >same way ... Yes. Styles have the same three state way of working. In the e.g. text and format windows for setting up styles you have three-state buttons. For example the button for italic in a style can be clear or ticked (as usual) but it can also show a third state which means "does nothing to italics". This situation applies to every attribute, space before, after, justification. >What I'm finding so far is, if I create an Italics style based on >Bodytext (which Bodytext is a special case because it usually sits underneath all other styles it has to set all attributes. You don't want to base styles on Bodytext, it is a bad example of what a style should do. Normally there is a series of layers Effects user style 1 user style 2 ... Bodytext The topmost layer that changes something provides the value for the displayed text. As I just said that implies that Bodytext sets every attribute, you'll find that you can't turn off attributes in Bodytext. In the example above, style 1 might set italic, style 2 might set bold, Effects might set underline. The resulting text will be italic+bold+underline. If Effects set italic off, then despite what style 1 sets, the resulting text will not be in italics. If you go to Bodytext and change the text colour to pink, the resulting text will be pink. Anyway you use user styles to change just the things you want changing and you should leave other things in the user style definition set to "do nothing". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 18:04:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3cLp-2M9Vbs-07-DTC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:04:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3cLp-2M9Vbs-07-DTC; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:02:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3cLp-2M9Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:02:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3cLn-0001Cb-Bk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:02:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62FCA5874AA; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13137-01-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E01D5874A6; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0206F587462 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12793-10 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.freeserve.com (smtp4.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6152A587456 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3309.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 60A711C00088 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-54400cab.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.12.171]) by mwinf3309.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 245491C00081 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070107180145148.245491C00081@mwinf3309.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:01:24 GMT Message-ID: <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 985 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >>What I'm finding so far is, if I create an Italics style based on >>Bodytext (which > > Bodytext is a special case because it usually sits underneath all other > styles it has to set all attributes. You don't want to base styles on > Bodytext, it is a bad example of what a style should do. > How does "based on" work? My impression has been that it does nothing - all the buttons are set to "does nothing" regardless of which style I base a new one on. Am I missing something? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 20:54:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3euS-00YVbs-08-AuZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:54:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3euS-00YVbs-08-AuZ; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3euS-00YVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3euP-0003ig-94 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA769587440; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06471-04-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3575587452; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:44:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0DF5587359 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06158-04 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0C3D587357 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B8E0003B5 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:47:49 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:59:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea1712bd4steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 986 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Thanks. That's the solution I'd come to, but it's very time consuming > (see my reply to Peter Newble). I was hoping for a quicker way. See my reply in that sub-thread. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 20:54:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3euT-20J000-05-AuY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:54:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3euT-20J000-05-AuY; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3euT-20J000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3euQ-0003n8-2x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:46:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC25D587386; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06530-04-5; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9009587341; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A97D1587371 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06196-03-2 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F909587382 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-62-6.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.62.6]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A831E000350 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:47:48 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:58:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea1711cb8steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 987 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > What is the solution to this problem? Steven Pampling suggests editing > the DDL file. Well, yes, been there, done that ... many times. Yesterday > evening, I spent an hour-and-a-half editing the DDL fle in Notepad to > remove all references to {spacebefore...} and {spaceafter...} --- and I > can confirm that it is extremely laborious (and for some reason I don't > understand, find/replace in Notepad is extremely slow even on relatively > small OPW(DDL) files). I also noticed that there was lots of redundant > code in the DDL (numerous examples of {spacebefore}{spaceafter}, > {colourvalue...}, etc., doing nothing very much) --- the cumulative > result of frequent line space and text colour changes during the editing > of the original OPW document. Is there no other way of stripping out > this redundant code (I.E. like cleaning up HTML), and no other way of > doing a global removal of line spaces added as effects (i.e. external to > user-created styles)? Or am I asking for too much ... ? No, you aren't asking too much - you are just using the wrong editor. If you are working on Windows then I can't recommend anything in the free stakes that is better than Notepad++ http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/about.php For many of the editing tasks where the actions you are carrying out may be repetitive then the macro recording facility might be handy, but in simple search and replace it is bound to improve on notepad - not least because notepad always chuffs about with the content to match the MS view of the world while Notepad++ will create unix style files from scratch if you wish. (i.e. it works in cr-lf or lf mode as you prefer just like Zap and StrongED) -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 7 20:54:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3f1I-0TrVbs-08-Anj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:54:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3f1I-0TrVbs-08-Anj; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:53:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3f1I-0TrVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:53:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3f0t-0003Xc-9n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:53:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2786F5877E6; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09258-03-3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 940105877CB; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 559855875BB for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08780-02 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net (anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.94]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 129F858702D for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]:3824 "EHLO anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S1345550AbXAGSqF (ORCPT ); Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:46:05 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3d0j-000OON-4H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:44:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 18:43:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 988 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >How does "based on" work? My impression has been that it does nothing >- all the buttons are set to "does nothing" regardless of which style >I base a new one on. Am I missing something? Copies the style and gives it a new name. You can see that the new style is the same as the one it is based on from the summary in the Edit style window. You do have to tick the "based on button" or else you do get a complete blank style. Going back to my previous posting, the Ovation Pro manual is a good example of how to use styles in a complex document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 11:52:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3gnn-4ZcVbs-03-91E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:52:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3gnn-4ZcVbs-03-91E; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3gnn-4ZcVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3gnm-0006Kl-KL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:47:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52667587594; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16482-02-8; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 177FB587685; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1719558764E for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16218-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E3E76587673 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 46813 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2007 18:46:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2007 18:46:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i7hg2RMVM1lM2iic0VoY7TuOZfZvzmTjtRBh2KFvQSPEQfCardJpxemCTxwXUIXaxRDY7V5_xH0dewxSNxnMWZi3gUPWB1DphDwoWyu26RlYeqLbHV6mtulSqAuZfUyjQ2LBjuTjMtoKqwPWtLKKqJO48e25qCrk Message-ID: <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:46:51 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 989 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Hadn't thought of that. One problem I've discovered, OPW's Search & >> Replace facility won't allow strings like {italic 1} in the search >> field (tho' notepad will). What is the way around that? > > Yes, {} have a special meaning in the search and replace fields. So you > have to quote them out with a | (bar) character. You'd search for > > |{italic 1} Thanks. >> Is it possible to create an Italics style that behaves in exactly the >> same way ... > > Yes. Styles have the same three state way of working. In the e.g. text > and format windows for setting up styles you have three-state buttons. > For example the button for italic in a style can be clear or ticked (as > usual) but it can also show a third state which means "does nothing to > italics". > > Anyway you use user styles to change just the things you want changing > and you should leave other things in the user style definition set to > "do nothing". Ah, now I understand ... thank you. Another thing which was adding to my confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to "Selection", if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the format (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert back to the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it possible to prevent it doing that? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 11:52:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3hyW-18fGPo-05-GN1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:52:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3hyW-18fGPo-05-GN1; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3hyW-18fGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3hyV-0000IN-OO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63104588124; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09710-02; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAD285880E3; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714DA5880E7 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09454-03 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 4E47E587934 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8114 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 00:02:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tQCVOzIVM1nQHIhXp4HdVFtIhu0bTU.Z4OjZqswPJ8i4pugbDoWtJhkQIlu6.zMN2B5FxtQnEbNIzqXog0MatPELhZDyG0_RjcPz6Cqd83HsVbxLtDQwoxpTo27HfNJYEx1kVjbTcG5mBF5Ez_lU_8XrRP_GCEdN Message-ID: <45A189FA.9080301@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:02:02 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea11e39camailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <45A0D410.2090104@ed.ac.uk> <4ea1711cb8steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea1711cb8steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 990 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Steven Pampling wrote: > On 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> ... Is there no other way of stripping out >> this redundant code (I.E. like cleaning up HTML), and no other way of >> doing a global removal of line spaces added as effects (i.e. external to >> user-created styles)? Or am I asking for too much ... ? > > No, you aren't asking too much - you are just using the wrong editor. > > If you are working on Windows then I can't recommend anything in the free > stakes that is better than Notepad++ > http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/about.php Thanks for drawing my attention to this ... a definite improvement. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 12:02:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3t9p-0pY000-05-DiE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:02:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3t9p-0pY000-05-DiE; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3t9p-0pY000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3t9Q-0004Gl-90 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2C5A5889CE; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18161-02-5; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6ADA85889A1; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D96E4588974 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17737-01-2 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0781E5888F6 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3t7V-0008eW-HO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:57:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:55:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 991 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Ah, now I understand ... thank you. Another thing which was adding to >my confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to >"Selection", if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the >format (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert >back to the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it possible >to prevent it doing that? That is actually a feature. The idea is that if you select a paragraph attribute for a style then it should apply to a paragraph. I suppose the opposite behaviour might catch some people out e.g. set style to justify and then find that it only works on single lines. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 17:42:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3yPu-2Osknw-06-Gyf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:42:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3yPu-2Osknw-06-Gyf; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3yPu-2Osknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3yPo-0006fa-3N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:36:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714EB5892D6; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24561-06; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FCDE58857A; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A958F5892D6 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24321-07 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id DE4B85893C9 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73735 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 17:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 17:35:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lhGLSYkVM1nb.13s5jqL5os1BPuYZBEAJw5r.6vStBTyd5gVWdPxVm.egMTJ_HMcPj57nuzTZyKy3tiev5A0stZ3lzto9lm6emOt2UD0i0S6wCrUSsx935vPJzorgvl7nGspkTXbDKNlg79BcFgWJxbmGMw2qOkznhxGGV1EFVHALj97re4- Message-ID: <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:35:01 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Ah, now I understand ... thank you. Another thing which was adding to >> my confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to >> "Selection", if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the >> format (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert >> back to the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it >> possible to prevent it doing that? > > That is actually a feature. The idea is that if you select a paragraph > attribute for a style then it should apply to a paragraph. OK, I can see that now. One more question ... I have set up new styles to replicate the Italics, Bold, (etc) effects. I now want to set up macro buttons for the new styles. What is the macro definition ({....}) for, e.g., the italic style? I've looked through the manual for instructions, but the only solution I could find was to assign a keypress to the style and then type the key definition string into the macros dialogue box. That works but leads to other problems. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 18:12:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3ysB-4fmVbs-03-GWO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:12:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3ysB-4fmVbs-03-GWO; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3ysB-4fmVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:05:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3ysA-0004PT-9u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:05:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1BBB58951C; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01882-06; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87858587B6B; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DF2458A316 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01646-03-7 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCD9458A2D5 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3yrR-0009hq-IO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:04:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:03:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 993 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >One more question ... I have set up new styles to replicate the >Italics, Bold, (etc) effects. I now want to set up macro buttons for >the new styles. What is the macro definition ({....}) for, e.g., the >italic style? I've looked through the manual for instructions, but the >only solution I could find was to assign a keypress to the style and >then type the key definition string into the macros dialogue box. That >works but leads to other problems. Hmm that is interesting, what other problems? There is an example macro supplied with the program called Style#1 which illustrates a technique. I'd copy it. However the body is: {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="Style#1") addstyle(i-1)} So in the above lot you'd replace "Style#1" with the name of your style. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 18:22:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3z3u-1z1Vbs-05-GKf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:22:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3z3u-1z1Vbs-05-GKf; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3z3u-1z1Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3z3f-0005ft-Fo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:17:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EFBF587C8F; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05069-04; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75FDA589751; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42A0558A7A4 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04875-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55DF158A12C for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H3z1E-0002Gf-BV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:14:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:13:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DplngScan 1.24 for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 994 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, >I've just uploaded version 1.24 of !DPlngScan for RISC OS. >Second the accuracy of the colour balance window has been improved. He we go, limping along behind RISC OS as usual, the Windows version of the above. Available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan. exe There is actually more than the above in the Windows version. You can now choose which Colour Management Module (CMM) to use from the colour management Windows. This is prompted by the availability from Adobe of their CMM. It is free from: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cmm.html To be honest this has turned into a puzzle. If I select the Adobe CMM, I see no effect at all, the image looks just like it would with no colour management. Others though report that the display is as expected. All I can assume is that there is something about my installation of XP. If anyone else goes through all this, please let me know what happens. This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 18:32:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3z9C-17BGPo-07-GFN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 18:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3z9C-17BGPo-07-GFN; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3z9C-17BGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3z8i-0002HV-8B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43DC558AB9A; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05901-02-2; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 084C858AC18; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581C658AAA5 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05652-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99768589F79 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.81) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 458247CF0038DC61 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:18:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:19:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3acf17a24e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <594b92a14e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan > Adams writes >>How does "based on" work? My impression has been that it does nothing >>- all the buttons are set to "does nothing" regardless of which style >>I base a new one on. Am I missing something? > > Copies the style and gives it a new name. > > You can see that the new style is the same as the one it is based on > from the summary in the Edit style window. > > You do have to tick the "based on button" or else you do get a complete > blank style. > > Going back to my previous posting, the Ovation Pro manual is a good > example of how to use styles in a complex document. For viewing the RiscOS manual read in RiscOS is better than the windoze version. If there are no effects, the "Remove effects" is not greyed out in the Style applet window in the windoze version. Making it more difficult to know if an effect is present at the caret's position. Chapter 6.3 and 6.4 of the windoze manual may give you some additional info on the use of styles. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 19:12:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H3zof-3R7000-03-FZu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:12:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H3zof-3R7000-03-FZu; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H3zof-3R7000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H3zoZ-00076q-Vv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:05:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFAB6589387; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18973-02-2; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D44A58B282; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 095E2589387 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18683-02-3 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 2AC0558964B for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 36182 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2007 19:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2007 19:04:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: avuiosIVM1mXKqjpYhdhRCGuCnRM6Ek5xVbwIRRThPRsbHQWeZ6JE7V5zXG0RHlmM1SKdjUbHGK0PEEBEgwbbe7S_kB4i0RLwxGeGfRavS09YTCDTJ3BbUzXk22DAAS8UKchnmv26fG2m.CWC0LRcjSsXvj8IjE8 Message-ID: <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:04:51 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> One more question ... I have set up new styles to replicate the >> Italics, Bold, (etc) effects. I now want to set up macro buttons for >> the new styles. What is the macro definition ({....}) for, e.g., the >> italic style? I've looked through the manual for instructions, but the >> only solution I could find was to assign a keypress to the style and >> then type the key definition string into the macros dialogue box. That >> works but leads to other problems. > > Hmm that is interesting, what other problems? See below. > There is an example macro supplied with the program called Style#1 which > illustrates a technique. I'd copy it. However the body is: > > {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="Style#1") > addstyle(i-1)} > > So in the above lot you'd replace "Style#1" with the name of your style. Y'know, I can't get that to work ... I must be doing something wrong. Do you mean replace the string *excluding* the " marks, or *including* the " marks? Either way, it doesn't work for me. Using the keypress string (as described above) does, but here's the 'problem' ... well, it's a problem for me, not necessarily a bug/idiosyncrasy in OPW: I have created new userstyles for Italic, Bold, etc. I have created a macro button for each style and assigned a keypress to each style (and the macro buttons have keypress definitions). I've tested the macro buttons, so I know they work in the original DPD file. To replace Italic, Bold, etc., effects in a document with the corresponding styles, I copy the document as a DDL file to my desktop. I then replace effects with the corresponding styles using search/replace in Notepad++, and re-save the DDL. When I open up the DDL in OPW, invariably I find that the macro buttons no longer work. Edit Style shows me that the keypress definitions have disappeared from the dialogue ... and I am unable to replace them using the keyboard. So far, the only solution I have found is to reimport the styles from another (similar) document. I don't know if this is a problem with OPW, with my default document, with my particular installation of OPW, or my installation of XP. What I do notice is that quite often when I double-left-click on an OPW file icon, the document fails to open with an error message to the effect that Windows cannot locate the application. When that happens, Right-click>Open usually does the trick. Any suggestions? Should I try reinstalling OPW? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 19:22:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H402g-04eknw-01-FLt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:22:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H402g-04eknw-01-FLt; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H402g-04eknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H402X-00027W-KP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D65C358AE2F; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23763-01-3; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF6758B058; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70EF858AEA0 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23076-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8017E58AE8C for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([82.112.135.186]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.9.1) with SMTP id NNL50003 for ; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:55:03 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4583D81F.3050304@ed.ac.uk> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:55:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 997 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 8 Jan 2007, at 11:55, David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> the scope would revert back to the default "paragraph" ... without >> me noticing. Is it possible to prevent it doing that? > > That is actually a feature. It may be called a feature, but it is a really annoying one - in my opinion just about the only really irritating 'feature' of an otherwise superb piece of software. I don't think one should have to tell the programme more than once that the intended scope of a style or effect is 'selection.' From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 8 22:22:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H42ly-2m7000-03-Ccb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:22:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H42ly-2m7000-03-Ccb; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H42ly-2m7000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H42lw-0006lC-3j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B9A358CADF; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32436-05-10; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02F2C589284; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5305858D33F for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32224-05 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8981B58D306 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H42l5-0009Wa-8g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:14:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:13:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 998 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> There is an example macro supplied with the program called Style#1 >>which >Y'know, I can't get that to work ... I must be doing something wrong. >Do you mean replace the string *excluding* the " marks, or *including* >the " marks? You replace the text Style#1 with the name of your style. So your style name is in quotes. We're in a programming language here, literal text is in quotes. It would look like {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="My Style") addstyle(i-1)} >Either way, it doesn't work for me. What happens? Without the quotes you'll get something like "syntax error in macro". >I have created new userstyles for Italic, Bold, etc. I have created a >macro button for each style and assigned a keypress to each style At which point my eyes start to glaze over (and I designed all this). Let me run through how this would go. I have a style that sets bold, and I assign to it key press Control+Shift+F4 I then create a button macro and I give it the body {'CS_F4} Is that what you've done? >DDL. When I open up the DDL in OPW, invariably I find that the macro >buttons no longer work. Edit Style shows me that the keypress >definitions have disappeared from the dialogue ... and I am unable to >replace them using the keyboard. It looks to me that there may be a bug here - when I just saved a DDL file there was no key definition with the user style. I can't see why you cannot replace the key presses - make sure the window has the focus. >I don't know if this is a problem with OPW, with my default document, >with my particular installation of OPW, or my installation of XP. What >I do notice is that quite often when I double-left-click on an OPW file >icon, the document fails to open with an error message to the effect >that Windows cannot locate the application. When that happens, >Right-click>Open usually does the trick. Hard to see why you should lose the file extension association. Unless there is another program you have that wants to use the same extension. If I was faced with this I'd look in the registry and read off where .dpd points to. I can tell you where to look if you want. If you install Ovation Pro then the file association is redone. Don't mess about uninstalling, just run the installer again. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 11:47:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H45k3-1dW000-01-9eW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:47:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H45k3-1dW000-01-9eW; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H45k3-1dW000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H45k3-00014S-B4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C56FA58D4E1; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30621-03; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E84B558D613; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65F1158D3D3 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30375-03 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D808058CF7E for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22169 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 01:24:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 01:24:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jiW2zZ8VM1lTJUUTf7L_sHllTIlmqrsumBTbvU9H7FMH9YC7yw.iysLzLkY1UGSNYACt_KXT1bYk4Wo3hibSMDUSymMEzOeSwUNji4FehdYOTRyYsXOSI_L.Wt2Ju21p5eNT.GZDit2I94L82kMfe7YSM9qAMolb Message-ID: <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:24:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45845C6D.3080200@ed.ac.uk> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 999 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > You replace the text Style#1 with the name of your style. > > It would look like > > {string s;int i=0;while(getuserstyle(i++,s,1)) if(s=="My Style") > addstyle(i-1)} > What happens? Without the quotes you'll get something like "syntax error > in macro". Originally ... with the quotes nothing happened; without the quotes "syntax error ..." Since then, I've reinstalled OPW in the way you recommended and restarted the computer, and now I can get it to work. Curious. > >> I have created new userstyles for Italic, Bold, etc. I have created a >> macro button for each style and assigned a keypress to each style > > At which point my eyes start to glaze over (and I designed all this). > Let me run through how this would go. > > I have a style that sets bold, and I assign to it key press > Control+Shift+F4 > > I then create a button macro and I give it the body > > {'CS_F4} > > Is that what you've done? More or less. But I've used {A_F1}, {A_F2}, etc., without the single quote character. Those key combinations didn't seem to be used for anything else. >> DDL. When I open up the DDL in OPW, invariably I find that the macro >> buttons no longer work. Edit Style shows me that the keypress >> definitions have disappeared from the dialogue ... and I am unable to >> replace them using the keyboard. > > It looks to me that there may be a bug here - when I just saved a DDL > file there was no key definition with the user style. I can't see why > you cannot replace the key presses - make sure the window has the focus. Following the reinstall, I can now replace the keypresses. But there's no doubt about the disappearance of the keypresses when saving as DDL. In all, I have keypresses assigned to five styles. The only one that shows up in the DDL is one that I assigned to a style called SmallCaps, which I created (along with a new button sprite) back in the days when you were working on Unicode support for OPW (or possibly before). I used keypress F2 for that style (as far as I can see, F2 is otherwise unused). It shows up in the DDL as {keypress "F19"} ... can that be right? >> I don't know if this is a problem with OPW, with my default document, >> with my particular installation of OPW, or my installation of XP. What >> I do notice is that quite often when I double-left-click on an OPW >> file icon, the document fails to open with an error message to the >> effect that Windows cannot locate the application. When that happens, >> Right-click>Open usually does the trick. The actual error is: "There was a problem sending the command to the program". > Hard to see why you should lose the file extension association. Unless > there is another program you have that wants to use the same extension. > If I was faced with this I'd look in the registry and read off where > .dpd points to. I can tell you where to look if you want. Fire away ... > If you install Ovation Pro then the file association is redone. Don't > mess about uninstalling, just run the installer again. Done that. Creating macro definitions and entering keypresses into the Edit Style dialogue now seem to be working correctly. But the double-left-click-on-OPW-icon error hasn't gone away. I have a vague memory there was a similar issue a while back (in the Unicode testing days) when I was using a different computer box but the same mouse and keyboard. I may have something on that in my email archive. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 11:48:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4CC7-3MAknw-06-Biy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:48:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4CC7-3MAknw-06-Biy; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4CC7-3MAknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4CC7-0005OG-2c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5625B58E2EE; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11259-01-5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 891BD58E2F5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 03:17:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDFB558C293 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11044-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk (heisenberg.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFCF158E2B3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 03:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H4CBO-0004Kn-HY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:18:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:17:32 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1000 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > > This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for > Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. > Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and registered copy of OP was required. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 12:17:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4FmC-2EY000-02-GfP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:17:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4FmC-2EY000-02-GfP; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4FmC-2EY000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4FmC-0001kZ-45 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8024958E959; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12195-10; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 459F958E930; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:06:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3D0B58E959 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11930-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DEAB58E950 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4FlC-000G6M-J4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:07:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:05:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1001 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> Is that what you've done? >More or less. But I've used {A_F1}, {A_F2}, etc., without the single >quote character. Those key combinations didn't seem to be used for >anything else. That should be OK. >But there's no doubt about the disappearance of the keypresses when >saving as DDL. Yes, well a bug. >The actual error is: "There was a problem sending the command to the >program". In that case I'd not worry about file associations. What happens when you double click a file is that Windows runs the associated program, and then uses the DDE protocol to send it a message telling it to load the file. From the above message it sounds like DDE is going wrong. I've never heard of that before. I wonder if the problem does not occur immediately after the machine boots. The theory being that something is being used up by running lots of files? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 12:17:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4FuN-27Dknw-08-GXE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:17:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4FuN-27Dknw-08-GXE; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4FuN-27Dknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4FuN-0001Xn-4Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF3758E4D9; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14748-02-11; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4577E58E5A5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DC4B58E3FB for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14494-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6657A58E370 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4Ftd-000IYB-B6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:16:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1002 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Ray Dawson writes >David Pilling wrote: >> This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for >> Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. >Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and registered copy of OP >was required. That is not my experience - I just installed the version off the web site. I wonder where the problem is? Is it one of those web cache things where you've got the previous version. The latest version has a size of 542,720 bytes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 12:47:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4GFA-1WW000-05-GCR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:47:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4GFA-1WW000-05-GCR; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4GFA-1WW000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4GF9-0001lK-CH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:38:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43A7158E9DF; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21502-05; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1079D58EA78; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 528AB58E9DF for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21286-02 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F5B158E853 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H4GER-00012X-2L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:37:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:34:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows Message-ID: <4ea27c0169nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 09 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ray Dawson > writes > >David Pilling wrote: > >> This particular version of DPScan does not require > >> Ovation Pro for Windows to be registered, so anyone can > >> have a go. > >Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and > >registered copy of OP was required. > That is not my experience - I just installed the version > off the web site. > I wonder where the problem is? Is it one of those > web cache things where you've got the previous version. > The latest version has a size of 542,720 bytes. Installed here fine thanks David. -- besters.. Ned === From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 13:07:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4GZ8-2Qxknw-03-FsT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:07:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4GZ8-2Qxknw-03-FsT; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4GZ8-2Qxknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4GZ2-00035f-AQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BB6158EA5D; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28043-01; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAC5358E979; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 919E758E92D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27742-02 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 20E0158E8B7 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 51163 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 12:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 12:58:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W3aF9q4VM1mCESnFQ1YrVcZTUDW0N5OuI8ZFw5B6Qk4VH9I68.c72yWypr_e35FSNhJkTt7m5U2ocYHDoHueM930pgYVHlFESWX2y0PJEZlindQCxJYNOT6ZGYQ4I5OQie1peheJUCdm.MVKIP75sM.sI_mWrf2B Message-ID: <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:58:02 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <45846B58.2040202@ed.ac.uk> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> The actual error is: "There was a problem sending the command to the >> program". > > In that case I'd not worry about file associations. What happens when > you double click a file is that Windows runs the associated program, and > then uses the DDE protocol to send it a message telling it to load the > file. > > From the above message it sounds like DDE is going wrong. I've never > heard of that before. > > I wonder if the problem does not occur immediately after the machine > boots. The theory being that something is being used up by running lots > of files? Hmmm, I try to keep startup programs to a minimum, but as an alternative I do keep shortcuts to frequently used applications on the taskbar and shortcuts to frequently needed files on the desktop. If anything, the number of shortcuts currently in both places is below the norm (for me). A trawl of the Internet suggests users of other programs occasionally have the same problem, usually attributed it seems to some undefined conflict with Windows Explorer or to ZoneAlarm (which I use) trying to intercept DDE commands. Anyway, it's a very minor problem ... I can easily live with it. Thanks for the help with styles and macros. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 13:47:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4HBb-13sVbs-01-FG0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:47:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4HBb-13sVbs-01-FG0; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4HBb-13sVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4HBW-0005a3-Gj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13EA858EC7E; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08961-03; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0BC058ECD1; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6E4C58EC53 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08352-01-7 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D805F58EC3F for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H4HAX-0001wg-Ur for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:37:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:20 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1005 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ray Dawson > writes > > David Pilling wrote: > > > This particular version of DPScan does not require Ovation Pro for > > > Windows to be registered, so anyone can have a go. > > Not here. It wouldn't run saying an installed and registered copy of > > OP was required. > > That is not my experience - I just installed the version off the web > site. > > I wonder where the problem is? Is it one of those web cache > things where you've got the previous version. > > The latest version has a size of 542,720 bytes. For some reason it had downloaded without the .exe extension. I renamed it, reinstalled it and it now works fine - thanks. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 14:07:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Ha2-2VfGPo-08-ErZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:07:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Ha2-2VfGPo-08-ErZ; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Ha2-2VfGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4HZw-0004Ir-I1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:03:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B13658EE12; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17137-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C494B58EE0F; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4220758EB39 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16955-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE78458EB9A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4HWu-000FZ1-7F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:59:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1006 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL files. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe The thing with assigning key presses in the Edit window is an oddity. The safest thing is to click on the name of the style in the scrolling pane - so it shows a dotted outline. Then press the desired key. What tends to happen is that you click on the New button, define a new style, close the new window. Then you find that pressing a key does nothing. Look closely and the new button has a dotted line inside it, in other words it still has the input focus. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 14:17:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Hke-0j9Vbs-06-Egx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:17:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Hke-0j9Vbs-06-Egx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Hke-0j9Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4HkZ-0001ub-4W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8B0F58A571; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20154-01-2; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0DEA58E560; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 169FB58CA01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19862-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 0B0B158C856 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 92914 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 14:12:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 14:12:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pS3r.cQVM1nBOxiUL9aWUP81fQWWxN3c_KQK0FsMfPktcP1_xF8Ygj9sPOWuh9HL.YUbQ7CZ2AQM3J_sTbxhkdqvOARF8zGXulBYMAgQAfgvTtgk0rs- Message-ID: <45A3A2C1.90104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:12:17 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1007 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > > I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). > > This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL > files. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe That was quick. Thanks a lot. > The thing with assigning key presses in the Edit window is an oddity. > The safest thing is to click on the name of the style in the scrolling > pane - so it shows a dotted outline. Then press the desired key. > > What tends to happen is that you click on the New button, define a new > style, close the new window. Then you find that pressing a key does > nothing. Look closely and the new button has a dotted line inside it, in > other words it still has the input focus. Therein lay the problem --- as I recall, the dotted outline only appeared fleetingly, then disappeared again. But I have now restored all the keypresses. So, hopefully, I won't have any more problems in that area. Re. the "There was a problem sending the command to the program" issue. Windows seems to suggest there are some missing/corrupted DLLs. When I can locate my SP2 boot disk, I'll attempt a repair and see if that fixes the problem. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 14:37:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4I0P-3CZVbs-05-ERC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4I0P-3CZVbs-05-ERC; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4I0P-3CZVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4I0H-0002lT-Ej for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:31:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8E9358F004; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26186-06; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A9958F0CF; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DA9E58F004 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26077-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:28:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id A8D6958EFC6 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3324 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 14:29:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 14:29:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _z4OdykVM1kPd481yopqxMX3U5bTKczT9cWSMlbctQSuPF.BPLbPWBzj.F_DMnwMDGBU9TNtwSHAY2sb9RLnn8fpL.UnfWOgWHY0l45.BbKbcQ7Sk6Y- Message-ID: <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:29:25 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1008 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > > I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). > > This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL > files. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 15:37:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Ive-0oCVbs-08-DVx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:37:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Ive-0oCVbs-08-DVx; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:30:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Ive-0oCVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:30:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4IvY-0006h1-8P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:30:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5899D58F0A5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13478-01; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C374758EF9B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 597DA58EF9D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12938-01-7 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C3F58EFB4 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4IuS-0001Xk-CH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:29:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:27:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1009 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> >>http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.e>>xe >This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the >browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. Hmm. The correct size for the new one is: (1,643,520 bytes) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 16:17:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4JXk-1Q9Vbs-04-Ctr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:17:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4JXk-1Q9Vbs-04-Ctr; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4JXk-1Q9Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4JXe-0000yD-6r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:09:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C29858F25E; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26315-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FC5258F333; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C13358F485 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26091-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id AA7B258F307 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9504 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 16:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 16:06:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WjeV5UQVM1lePzzV2gWgtFY4RzKAbRnv7rixcODAc1AlBOVhHPq2v2e5eqd79Z6W8bWNUHXkfT3Io58XJsAMSnJRV4TxxDOs2jhnlBDkVh2o_wAifZM- Message-ID: <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:06:16 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>> >>> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.e>>xe >>> >> This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the >> browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. > > Hmm. The correct size for the new one is: (1,643,520 bytes) Then I have the correct version, and the web page labels it 9/01/2007. But after installing it on top of the previous version, I still have a version that Menu>Help shows as 27/12/2006 and which does not save keypresses in DDL. Do I first need to uninstall the previous version or delete something that the previous version has put into C:\Documents and Settings? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:08:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KKi-2wzGPo-03-C6t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:08:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KKi-2wzGPo-03-C6t; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:00:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KKi-2wzGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:00:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KKh-0007HC-Gz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:00:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E3F458F3E0; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11335-01-11; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B9C058F3A5; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EE2A58E423 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11009-04 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9316458DF0A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4KJL-000ATS-M3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:59:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:57:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Then I have the correct version, and the web page labels it 9/01/2007. >But after installing it on top of the previous version, I still have a >version that Menu>Help shows as 27/12/2006 and which does not save >keypresses in DDL. Do I first need to uninstall the previous version or >delete something that the previous version has put into C:\Documents >and Settings? There should be no need to uninstall and particularly not to start destroying your configuration. I've just downloaded and install the version on the web site and it is correct. Now as has been demonstrated today with DPScan there's "many a slip" - for example you might (for all I know) have software in place that prevents .exe files from being overwritten. I'd be inclined to look at C:Program Files\David Pilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe See what the properties of the .exe file are. All the upgrade is doing is replacing this one .exe file. The sort of game you can play is rename the above .exe, run the installer, see if a new .exe appears, see if its properties are different. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:08:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KOD-0Nv000-02-C3O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:08:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KOD-0Nv000-02-C3O; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KOD-0Nv000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KO0-0003gO-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:03:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3564D58F39B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12564-03; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:02:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F309058F781; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:02:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B82C058F39B for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12168-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F192658F217 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4KMm-00061s-5e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:02:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:01:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows References: <4o$y8jCjc4oFFwqO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1012 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Ray Dawson writes >For some reason it had downloaded without the .exe extension. I renamed >it, reinstalled it and it now works fine - thanks. I notice that the .exe extension in my original email seems to have been wrapped onto a new line. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:18:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KbH-0b4GPo-06-BqK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:18:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KbH-0b4GPo-06-BqK; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:17:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KbH-0b4GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:17:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KbB-0006y9-0K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:17:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86EBF58F070; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15503-10; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5422458D2D2; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 322E458EF89 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15390-05 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 616AF58DE42 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l09HF8cg005454 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:15:08 GMT In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DplngScan 1.24 for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:17:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1013 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > In message , Ray Dawson > writes > >For some reason it had downloaded without the .exe extension. I renamed > >it, reinstalled it and it now works fine - thanks. > > I notice that the .exe extension in my original email seems to have been > wrapped onto a new line. > The wonders of line wrapping in emails. Time for tinyurl.com :-) The update can be downloaded from :- http://tinyurl.com/yk6f82 or preview where it will send you here :- http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk6f82 Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail; and then delete it. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel Ltd. may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates and receives, for potential scrutiny. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 17:38:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4KrG-2huGPo-05-BaL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:38:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4KrG-2huGPo-05-BaL; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4KrG-2huGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4KrE-0000nf-Hg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B6E58FE12; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20638-01; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8462958FE4C; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:32:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57A8D58FDA9 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20236-09-3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 60FE458FDE6 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70310 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 17:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 17:33:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yyxyqlQVM1nLiOTVPY8AK0KZma3jcs3KK42vE8x2iwc_PkHYPaGk2Q015wzZ51PnQ6LBMk_..628aRf1KugNMQlgdzZ0oYnb0ztw831hZVqtQbdPDsDyIdswILk1lUwMS13Tz64NqMWRUDg.8zatMXNfuyLBxJLV Message-ID: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:33:05 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1014 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Do I first need to uninstall the previous version >> or delete something that the previous version has put into >> C:\Documents and Settings? > > There should be no need to uninstall and particularly not to start > destroying your configuration. > I'd be inclined to look at > > C:Program Files\David Pilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe > > The sort of game you can play is rename the above .exe Done that. > run the installer, see if a new .exe appears It does. > see if its properties are different. No, they are not. It still shows up as the 27/12/2006 version. Both unpack to 2,416 KB. Both have the same date and time stamp. Sorry to be a nuisance. But I can't see what I'm doing wrong. I have used two different browsers (IE7 and Opera 9.10), I have refreshed the OPW download page in each browser (several times) before downloading; I have deleted the browser histories and temporary Internet files; and I have made sure that I am downloading from a page that offers me the 09/01/2007 version of the exe. I may well have overlooked something here, but I can't think what it is. Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from David's website today? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 18:28:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Len-44M000-05-Amo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:28:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Len-44M000-05-Amo; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Len-44M000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Lel-00078W-HD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FD5C58F816; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03282-01-8; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61C2458F924; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:23:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01D6958F566 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03077-04-3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3530258E651 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 45766 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 18:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 18:24:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ETQwv3kVM1kXv.UU_G7FYQlIqvj.AWQBOERBXDKNqb4US9wAAmEO.6gDVKZdevJo4JPRgSz2tEav8tWJQR1OXMjwrfO3ED2XyE.e6Iy8rGd8aFtbmgc- Message-ID: <45A3DDC6.7040806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:24:06 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1015 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> Do I first need to uninstall the previous version or delete something >>> that the previous version has put into C:\Documents and Settings? >> >> There should be no need to uninstall and particularly not to start >> destroying your configuration. > >> I'd be inclined to look at >> >> C:Program Files\David Pilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe >> >> The sort of game you can play is rename the above .exe > > Done that. > >> run the installer, see if a new .exe appears > > It does. > >> see if its properties are different. > > No, they are not. It still shows up as the 27/12/2006 version. Now SORTED. But it required a Windows Search to locate all files with "OvnPro" in the filename. I then deleted (via the Search window) everything that looked like a cached file or shortcut, downloaded the 09/01/07 version again, and reinstalled it. Finally, I have the latest version installed, and keypresses appear in the DDL. Sorry for all the trouble. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 18:38:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4LmY-3nRknw-02-Af3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:38:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4LmY-3nRknw-02-Af3; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4LmY-3nRknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4LmT-0005td-Br for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:33:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7589E58FA3B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05959-04-2; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E36B858FCC3; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C987758FB45 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05443-02 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D9B58FB27 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H4Llc-0007h1-7V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:32:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:32:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects Message-ID: <4ea29cc736chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from > David's website today? Yes. I have just downloaded the latest version (using my Iyonix), transferred to a PC and installed. Everything went like clockwork (what else do we expect from David!). I have checked the Help->About Opro and it is definitely running the 9 Jan 2007 version. (Also did DPlingScan 1.24 at the same time). Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 18:48:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Lsa-3v7knw-01-AZ1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:48:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Lsa-3v7knw-01-AZ1; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Lsa-3v7knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Lsa-00033o-9o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D69958FC33; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07989-04; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB0E358FC47; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8E8158FC33 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07726-09-2 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B555458FC94 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20859 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 18:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.67.202 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 18:38:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3SKgLNAVM1n5R60OGd0rQdAsHjbA8OBnLye8Pr795pI6nIO7nqGsFrQvuEUYdMG1IYHY7zFC52xTFyEUbBfpEoAtMemTruptR.uoQqj.1JSfMnpO7vA- Message-ID: <45A3E110.9080004@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:38:08 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> <4ea29cc736chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea29cc736chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1017 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from >> David's website today? > > Yes. I have just downloaded the latest version (using my Iyonix), > transferred to a PC and installed. Everything went like clockwork > (what else do we expect from David!). I have checked the Help->About > Opro and it is definitely running the 9 Jan 2007 version. > > (Also did DPlingScan 1.24 at the same time). Interesting ... I succeeded in the end (see my follow-up email). Now I must check whether the install of DPIingScan 1.24 worked. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 19:18:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4MSO-1CeVbs-01-9zD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:18:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4MSO-1CeVbs-01-9zD; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:16:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4MSO-1CeVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:16:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4MSN-00044X-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:16:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E44558F939; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20835-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CF3858FB6B; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 133EE58F939 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20510-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6D258E8FE for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C3EB2B80008C for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:15:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-54408c19.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.140.25]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8E36BB800083 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:15:37 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070109191537582.8E36BB800083@mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:15:10 GMT Message-ID: <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >> >> >> I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). >> >> This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL >> files. >> >> See: >> >> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the > browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. Try changing the case of the /www.davidpilling.info/ part of the URL - it is case-insensitive, but many caches are case-sensitive, so will give you a new copy. (Don't change the directory or file part - on Unix servers they ARE case-sensitive.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 19:48:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Mnx-22RVbs-07-9de.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:48:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Mnx-22RVbs-07-9de; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:38:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Mnx-22RVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:38:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Mnv-0006bm-B9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:38:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A93F959062D; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27690-08; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 791985906AD; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DA7A59062D for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27414-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.picsel.com (mail.picsel.com [195.27.13.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C2C4590622 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vexi [127.0.0.1]) by relay.picsel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8DE34621 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.picsel.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (relay.picsel.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29843-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [195.171.216.190] (dhcp190.picsel.com [195.171.216.190]) by relay.picsel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1134634614 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45A3D2B2.4000606@davespace.co.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:36:50 +0000 From: David Thomas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <45A3BD78.8020201@ed.ac.uk> <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A3D1D1.90100@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at relay.picsel.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1019 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davespace.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > Has anyone else successfully installed the 09/01/2007 version from > David's website today? Worked fine for me. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 21:08:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4O3N-1D1000-07-Guk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:08:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4O3N-1D1000-07-Guk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:58:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4O3N-1D1000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:58:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4O2v-0000rb-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:58:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EF0E58FF27; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19271-02; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5962A58FFDF; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:48:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BE4C58FF27 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19132-03 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C442758FEA9 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4Ntv-0008k5-Lx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:48:56 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Smart quotes failure. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:48:46 GMT Message-ID: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi All: OPro 2.77 on Iyonix, 5.12. Suddenly my documents are failing to do 'smart quotes' - all I get is single/double dits! Of course, I have 'Smart quotes' ticked in Iconbar 'Choices', 'Text handling choices'. Usually work fine! I can still enter the correct sexed quotes using Alt-144/145 etc. Opening older docs which have quotes 'smarted' correctly, and typing fresh quotes, again produces merely dits. I've a recollection that I have had this problem before, but can't get through to the solution. What have I overlooked?? Thanks in advance for help! Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 21:18:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4OET-2Mi000-07-Gje.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:18:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4OET-2Mi000-07-Gje; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4OET-2Mi000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4OE8-0001ha-A3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:10:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF833590963; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20758-06; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8684C5909FE; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EC7F590963 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20623-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70D7D590964 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4O2Y-00007q-CQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:57:51 +0000 Message-ID: <2BShmwHSGApFFwg6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:56:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1021 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >Try changing the case of the /www.davidpilling.info/ part of the URL - >it is case-insensitive, but many caches are case-sensitive, so will >give you a new copy. Neat idea if it works. > (Don't change the directory or file part - on >Unix servers they ARE case-sensitive.) The actual site is case insensitive, it was a problem some time back and I eventually found out how to make it case insensitive, using a htaccess file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 9 21:38:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4OeX-0GTVbs-08-GJa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:38:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4OeX-0GTVbs-08-GJa; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4OeX-0GTVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4OeS-0003it-FV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:37:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C798591136; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27728-07; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FCD359128F; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:31:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0167A591136 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27610-03-6 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CE3859137A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4OZr-0008Bo-10 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:32:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:31:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes failure. References: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1022 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts writes >Suddenly my documents are failing to do 'smart quotes' - all I get is >single/double dits! >Of course, I have 'Smart quotes' ticked in Iconbar 'Choices', 'Text >handling choices'. Usually work fine! This choice only applies when importing text files. Smart quotes as you type depends on the Quotes applet, which must be installed, active and (see the applets menu) turned on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 10 11:55:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4PYb-1DiVbs-07-FPW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:55:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4PYb-1DiVbs-07-FPW; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4PYb-1DiVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4PYU-0005Kr-6T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:35:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55B735914E3; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08480-07; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26D0C5914AB; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58A9E591277 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08315-08 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04D9A5912A5 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H4PMr-0005Ns-KZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:22:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes failure. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:08:29 GMT Message-ID: <7496b0a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <204aa9a24e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts > writes >>Suddenly my documents are failing to do 'smart quotes' - all I get is >>single/double dits! >>Of course, I have 'Smart quotes' ticked in Iconbar 'Choices', 'Text >>handling choices'. Usually work fine! > > This choice only applies when importing text files. > > Smart quotes as you type depends on the Quotes applet, which must be > installed, active and (see the applets menu) turned on. Thanks, David - yes - that does it! Not sure how/when that applet got inactivated. (Should all applets have a suitable !Sprites file, with the 'red cross' version? Several of mine (including !Quotes) don't have (and !Quotes just gets a 'cog' as a result), and thus don't show the 'crossed-out' icon when switched off. Others don't actually alternate the minus after the filename when toggled on and off. Hmmm. I am obviously even more confused by applets than I thought I was!) JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 10 11:55:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H4Pgs-1wPVbs-07-FHF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:55:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H4Pgs-1wPVbs-07-FHF; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H4Pgs-1wPVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H4Pgm-0004eh-Pj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39069591EF3; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10788-09; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F295B5913AD; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E026D591EF3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10728-01 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 7D993591C2C for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22571 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2007 22:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.164.232 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2007 22:37:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PF4QfkcVM1l0wmgWhaDk3hluCZf.A7HfKBe6v6EIU9RrdLljLpnWOfFaqZHosFmTpJr_oELM9d9Rs69BqQcIXrGbmOJHI9L2vhxI2VBBE0Io4x.QmSH6dDFpu98rHpY1zcThpxZuqIh84NhAmd5Wrkf8uStWPNpp Message-ID: <45A41937.8080409@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:37:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <9tsjN7CKfthFFwS6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4586E90D.6040201@ed.ac.uk> <458DC752.1080402@ed.ac.uk> <459FEB8F.40805@ed.ac.uk> <45A009C7.4070800@ed.ac.uk> <4ea161acb5steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <45A0D565.3050205@ed.ac.uk> <45A1104E.6030804@ed.ac.uk> <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> <45A280C5.9080208@ed.ac.uk> <45A295D3.9030407@ed.ac.uk> <45A2EEDB.4070103@ed.ac.uk> <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk> <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8bb8a0a24e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Alan Adams wrote: > In message <45A3A6C5.5070608@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <45A3915A.9050508@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>> >>> >>> I've just uploaded Ovation Pro for Windows 2.92 (9th. January 2007). >>> >>> This fixes the bug with not saving style key press information in DDL >>> files. >>> >>> See: >>> >>> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >> This still seems to be the 27/12/2006 version ... and I've cleared the >> browser history and temporary Internet cache, twice. > > Try changing the case of the /www.davidpilling.info/ part of the URL - > it is case-insensitive, but many caches are case-sensitive, so will > give you a new copy. (Don't change the directory or file part - on > Unix servers they ARE case-sensitive.) Thanks. I can confirm that this works. However, I'm not sure that fetching the file was the problem. I had the impression that things went wrong when the file was run ... but then I don't really understand how these things work. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 11 20:57:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H54Il-0FYVbs-07-8lQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:57:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H54Il-0FYVbs-07-8lQ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H54Il-0FYVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H54Il-0003LR-1F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1CA2599297; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24007-03; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69B6A5992C6; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 911E1599297 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23855-01 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay1.mail.uk.clara.net (relay1.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C32625993B8 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.239.94] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay1.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H54I2-000HUH-IB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:04:38 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting Artworks image from OvPro RISC OS 2.77 to OvProW 2.92 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:03:47 GMT Message-ID: <45dba1a34e.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1025 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <5e9b27a14e.charles@clara.co.uk> charles wrote: Apologies > I tried saving the graphic as a bitmap, using one of the save option > proferred by Artworks (booted up selecting and using the OLE), but the > resultant file was rejected by windows XP. IF I had saved properly within Artworks by selecting the item it would have produced a correct file. Sorry for wasting everyone's time. -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 17:10:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5knx-1fb000-04-8so.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:10:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5knx-1fb000-04-8so; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5knx-1fb000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5knw-0007Ml-74 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF5A59ABC2; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32744-01-7; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 953D059A882; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5473F599BE6 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32382-01-2 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp50.hccnet.nl (smtp50.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFA4B59A880 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc3.theestruik by smtp50.hccnet.nl via a80-100-21-102.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.100.21.102] with SMTP for id l0DFRYDt016071 (8.13.6/2.05); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:27:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:02:34 +0100 (GMT) From: Johan Heuseveldt Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Removing local effects To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <45A1401B.9030806@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Waarland & Echteweide (Realfieldt), the Netherlands X-Url: X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Platform: RISC OS (Reduced Instruction Set Computer Operating System) X-System: Risc PC 600, my first Risc PC; rpc1 X-Processor: Intel StrongARM 110 Rev T; 200-ish MHz X-OSversion: RISC OS Adjust 1i2 [4.39] (28 Apr 2004 [Kernel 6.80]) X-Wishes: RISCOS Ltd succeeding in the continuous development of RISC OS X-Bar: -------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on virus4-lx50.hccnet.nl X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johan@waarland.demon.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On Sun 07 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: [snip] > Another thing which was adding to my > confusion was that, having set the scope of a new style to "Selection", > if I then re-edited the style and made a change to the format > (Modify>format), on saving the changes the scope would revert back to > the default "paragraph" ... without me noticing. Is it possible to > prevent it doing that? Please, please, yes please. This has always been a big problem: Most of the time I forget to note the original scope I once gave it. When resaving I see a unexpected change somewhere, and then I'm just too late when I realised the scope has changed as well. When this could be corrected, it would be a big time saver, and very much more friendly to me! So, yes please! TIA greetings, Johan -- Johan Heuseveldt aka waarland The best place is a Riscy place If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 17:40:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5mlV-35Sknw-07-FRm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:40:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5mlV-35Sknw-07-FRm; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5mlV-35Sknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5mlQ-0001JZ-Q8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:34:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FE8B59C106; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32620-10; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49F0659C13B; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F9C559C106 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32530-04 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66FBE59B524 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5mfp-000BZD-F8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:28:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:26:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From bernard@bapfish.org.uk Sat Jan 13 18:20:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5nOt-2E6knw-06-EoO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:20:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5nOt-2E6knw-06-EoO; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5nOt-2E6knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:43 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay02.plus.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5nOt-0006qb-2C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:43 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5nOs-0007TE-N9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:14:26 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi David On 13 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. Thanks for this. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 18:30:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5nbn-1atGPo-08-EbU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:30:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5nbn-1atGPo-08-EbU; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5nbn-1atGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5nbj-0005Ai-7N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:28:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A48859BDEF; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14796-09; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0641A59C036; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB75459BDEF for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14650-09 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 51A7359B6B0 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([82.112.134.85]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.9.1) with SMTP id STJ35939 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:22:39 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29CB4503-6718-4F41-9012-234A39DECAD0@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:22:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1028 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13 Jan 2007, at 17:26, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro > RTF filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. Many, many thanks for this, David - you're a star! (But you should have charged us for it.) From tim@powys.org Sat Jan 13 18:40:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5nex-2gQVbs-01-EYK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5nex-2gQVbs-01-EYK; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5nex-2gQVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5nex-0006iF-Q7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:19 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5neu-0006OX-Mg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:31:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:30:15 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <99f3aba44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In message from David Pilling of 13 Jan you wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. Many thanks indeed for your generosity in releasing this for free. regards, -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 18:50:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5noG-3IAVbs-01-EP1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:50:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5noG-3IAVbs-01-EP1; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5noG-3IAVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5noF-0004d3-IP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8382159BFB1; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18147-03-2; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A3DA59C172; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5969459BDE2 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17918-05 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E35D359BFE1 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21137 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 18:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 18:40:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3HOaZcYVM1mjj28S4LeWp2oWleBwbcmBR8A1ToPL7PIVp43b75H.lZFMN5rZYbZT7xWcaPmpv2b5thKYoSS1jN1Th7o2kCok3YeCEDSA4rPcnKpghljQsUgVIlWKx1VfUKrt2MC4rl2SmOzsJrsZ45N3O_8- Message-ID: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:40:48 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1029 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 21:40:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qYE-2Bo000-05-Bf3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:40:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qYE-2Bo000-05-Bf3; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:36:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qYE-2Bo000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:36:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qYC-00050R-Jb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:36:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88C3359AEC1; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04629-07; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5524959AC66; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B6B859AEC1 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04506-04 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFAD259B112 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.237.24] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H5qXL-0002ek-G1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:35:40 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:34:08 GMT Message-ID: <87c9bca44e.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? I have a top level directory called "filters " with all the filters in it, and pin that to the backdrop. -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 21:50:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qjQ-1DOknw-04-BTr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:50:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qjQ-1DOknw-04-BTr; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qjQ-1DOknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qjQ-0007J2-Cn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CD6A59AB77; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08212-01-2; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9E2359AC00; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5B7B59B4FA for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07964-10 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E53CE59B176 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5qig-0009eO-52 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:47:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:45:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1031 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >>a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter >>pops into existence: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, !TransFSI Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 22:00:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qt4-31s000-05-BKD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:00:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qt4-31s000-05-BKD; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qt4-31s000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qt3-0004jU-PK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:58:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC93459B6EC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10665-01; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D18E559B32B; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A046159B5C9 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10435-01 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD9C459B66D for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2007 21:57:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALbkqEXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACNPAEBAgcOBwYd Received: from 88-105-237-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.237.131]:10747 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H5qsI-0008y8-8D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:57:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >>a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter > >>pops into existence: > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > >Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? > The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense > for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, > !TransFSI > Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. > live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all > software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I have all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in the !Boot Configuration Boot "look at" list. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 22:10:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5qvx-1APVbs-08-BHK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:10:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5qvx-1APVbs-08-BHK; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:01:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5qvx-1APVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:01:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5qvw-00030b-N1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:01:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E3AD59B534; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11459-01-3; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B19A59B770; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78A6659B534 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11214-02 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40DA359B46B for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.237.24] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1H5qvE-000Abe-Da for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:00:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:59:55 GMT Message-ID: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>>a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter >>>pops into existence: >>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >>Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? > > The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense > for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, > !TransFSI > > Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. > live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all > software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. Really! Ididn't know that! So in !Boot.Resources then, on an Iyo? -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 13 22:10:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5r3k-1UvVbs-08-B9X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:10:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5r3k-1UvVbs-08-B9X; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:09:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5r3k-1UvVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:09:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5r3j-00014y-L2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:09:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 878B059B9AC; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13263-01; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D8359B75C; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50D0D59B7B5 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13109-02 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp13.wxs.nl (smtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.247.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 120B959B77A for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JBT00FO2UTNIY@smtp13.wxs.nl> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:08:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:08:35 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4ea4bff0b3Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling: > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: Even a poet. My admiration doesn't stop growing. Paul Sprangers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5rJu-3N3knw-02-AtN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5rJu-3N3knw-02-AtN; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5rJu-3N3knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5rJt-0000lo-Ke for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 877A559B0AE; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17588-02; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581E759AC46; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84C6059B0AE for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17366-06-8 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 312E659AE07 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5rJB-0007rh-30 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:25:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:27:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1035 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF > filter pops into existence: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5rl4-3zhknw-04-ASD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5rl4-3zhknw-04-ASD; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5rl4-3zhknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5rl4-0004Ce-Cx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BBC059A086; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24691-02; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A2E059B57A; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 495CE59B7FD for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24562-03 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 7915F59B691 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 52504 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2007 22:53:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2007 22:53:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZDvBo0gVM1nH2MhNgn_4aJ.hc1n8c3Z6ce.8h0U64oa546J8CY11ufZ3hD7P.gl8NPaFfSEWUGy5zn1NpnDMTeTrstwsfXlr7ZK3eKhczHUKPr7GhU4oWpECw7i36WG56OgzHKf9aOsTlK4N30C5ecJ22k2uFTE__DbwknAGnNnsdqCe8tv8HguNCiKivd9bIZGGpODM Message-ID: <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 22:54:23 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>>> a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro RTF filter >>>> pops into existence: >>>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >>> Excellent ... but please remind me, where is it supposed to live? > >> The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sense >> for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransIMP, >> !TransFSI > >> Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc. >> live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all >> software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. I have tried putting it in !Boot.Resources ... but when I try to load an RTF file into OP, I get error: Shared C library is out of date This is under VRPC ... so I installed the Castle shared C library, but no change. This is a re-install of VRPC and I seem to remember having the Shared C library problem with a previous install, but I can't remember the solution. Also, RTF files don't have an RTF icon. Where do I get hold of that? > I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I have > all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in the !Boot > Configuration Boot "look at" list. Tried that too ... same result. Curiously, D.P.'s reply above never arrived in my Inbox. I only saw it when I received this (Dave Symes') email. This kind of thing has been happening a lot recently on freelists ... messages don't appear, or turn up hours after someone else has replied to them. Anyone know why? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5sr5-2r8Vbs-03-9MC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5sr5-2r8Vbs-03-9MC; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:04:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5sr5-2r8Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:04:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5sr4-00001b-WF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC27459BB94; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11828-07; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01E0359BBD5; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6212559B9AC for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11578-08 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E60E59B435 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5sqL-0002QG-3z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:03:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:03:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1037 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy > > heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the > > Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy > > (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. > I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this > application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I > know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ Just downloaded and tried it on my Iyonix and it does just what it says on the tin. Saved a file from TW in RTF format, and loaded it straight in to Opro. Worked a treat. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5tc7-1JFVbs-05-8bA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5tc7-1JFVbs-05-8bA; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:52:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5tc7-1JFVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:52:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5tc7-0002dY-Cn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:52:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43B3959BC28; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24317-07-11; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAA4F59BCC7; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D50A259B8B4 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24102-01-2 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72D9359BB94 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5tbL-0007rI-Oe for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:51:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:49:24 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 13 Jan, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > The best answer, is "with your other transloader filters". Makes sens= e=20 > > for them all to be in one place. I'm thinking of !TransTIFF+, !TransI= MP,=20 > > !TransFSI >=20 > > Where should they all be? I think somewhere akin to where !Fonts etc.= =20 > > live. Somewhere that they will be booted and made available to all=20 > > software. The image filters can be used by programs like ArtWorks. >=20 > I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I h= ave > all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in the !B= oot > Configuration Boot "look at" list. In the interests of a reasonably speedy boot that gets to the end without hiccups, I agree with you. Further there is the matter of keeping the !Boot directory small so that it can be copied or backed up easily. (And in the last respect holding browser caches in Boot is not good news.) As well as listing the applications in Look At, they will all, I believe, be Looked At if they are put in the Apps, Printing or Utilities directories. The only trouble with doing the one of the latter is that there is a limit to the number of such applications before an error message is generated in the Boot process. So the question is what is the speediest and least complex place to put such applications: 1. Resources? =20 2. One of Apps, Printing and Utilities? =20 3. Listed in Look At in Boot Configure? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:51:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5tob-1yKVbs-05-GvC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:51:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5tob-1yKVbs-05-GvC; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:05:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5tob-1yKVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:05:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5toa-0002L8-Va for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:05:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D712259C061; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28119-02; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97B6059BFBA; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E142559C061 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27882-03 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A779459C00F for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H5tnr-0004zF-6H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:04:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 01:04:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1039 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In the interests of a reasonably speedy boot that gets to the end > without hiccups, I agree with you. Further there is the matter of > keeping the !Boot directory small so that it can be copied or > backed up easily. (And in the last respect holding browser caches > in Boot is not good news.) > As well as listing the applications in Look At, they will all, I > believe, be Looked At if they are put in the Apps, Printing or > Utilities directories. The only trouble with doing the one of the > latter is that there is a limit to the number of such applications > before an error message is generated in the Boot process. > So the question is what is the speediest and least complex place to > put such applications: > 1. Resources? > > 2. One of Apps, Printing and Utilities? > > 3. Listed in Look At in Boot Configure? What I do is to create a directory (I call mine 'RunAtBoot') into which I put all the Apps I normally run at Boot, e.g. SparkFS, Zap, MoreDesk, etc. I then drag this one directory into Configure->Boot->Run and all the apps in the directory are run during boot up. This means there is only the one entry in Configure->Boot->Run for a number of applications. If there is a problem with booting at any time, there is only one entry to be removed from Configure->Boot->Run to stop all the apps being booted. If you then need to check for problems with individual apps, each in turn can be moved into a different directory until the culprit is found. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H5zzV-1JAVbs-06-AkI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H5zzV-1JAVbs-06-AkI; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:41:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H5zzV-1JAVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:41:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H5zzU-0004mM-WF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:41:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17DB59B962; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24895-09; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 902B659B86E; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33AAA59B962 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24781-01 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00CB859B8DB for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H5zym-000NPi-M3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:40:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:26:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4f3059acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1040 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy > > > heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the > > > Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy > > > (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. > > I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this > > application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I > > know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ > Just downloaded and tried it on my Iyonix and it does just what it > says on the tin. Saved a file from TW in RTF format, and loaded it > straight in to Opro. Worked a treat. which is exactly what I did. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H60J7-0ynGPo-04-AQg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H60J7-0ynGPo-04-AQg; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H60J7-0ynGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H60J6-0002I3-Oi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53C9859BB38; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30274-06-3; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 640E059C006; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF18159B5FC for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30098-02 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA90259B9DA for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2007 08:00:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAApyqUXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACNPgEBAgcOBwYd Received: from 88-105-205-244.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.205.244]:10523 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H60IL-000BYG-Bt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:00:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:05:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4f114d7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45A9631F.7020506@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: Dave Symes wrote: > > I have concerns about bunging too much stuff in !Boot.Resources, so I > > have all mine in a Filter directory elsewhere, but they are listed in > > the !Boot Configuration Boot "look at" list. > Tried that too ... same result. > Curiously, D.P.'s reply above never arrived in my Inbox. I only saw it > when I received this (Dave Symes') email. This kind of thing has been > happening a lot recently on freelists ... messages don't appear, or turn > up hours after someone else has replied to them. Anyone know why? > -- > C.B. Sorry I have no particular answers, but just to check. I assume you have manually added them to the "Look at" list? The method I noted does work here on this SARPC RO Select 4.39 and Clib version 5.53 Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H61Qc-1fIGPo-06-9JB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H61Qc-1fIGPo-06-9JB; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:13:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H61Qc-1fIGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:13:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H61Qb-0000Er-AD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:13:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02B2A59B439; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14375-04; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C27D059B4DD; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C008959B439 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14094-03 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B50659B3E2 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H61Pt-000FcM-LF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:12:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea4fbfd6dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > Hi, > > > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy > > > heads towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the > > > Ovation Pro RTF filter pops into existence: > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy > > > (disorder, chaos), judge for yourself. > > I've just tried to use it and get the error message that "this > > application is not 32 bit compatible". What have I done wrong? I > > know I've got the right filter since its dated 13 Jan 2007/ > Just downloaded and tried it on my Iyonix and it does just what it > says on the tin. Saved a file from TW in RTF format, and loaded it > straight in to Opro. Worked a treat. I suspect I've got an old version tucked away somewhere. Can someone tell me if there is a "search" command so I can get the machine to look for it. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H61wd-1Uxknw-03-8nA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H61wd-1Uxknw-03-8nA; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:46:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H61wd-1Uxknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:46:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H61wc-0007IJ-9H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:46:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16BA659AF50; 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Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1H61vr-0008Ff-7y for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:43 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] RTF filter a the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Received: from 61.203.149.43 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:43 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:43 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1043 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Re the RTF filter: Thank you David Ian Platt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H62pY-0fWGPo-08-GQl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 10:42:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XOe1fCUVM1kH2p3GeQ5jhCXjVsW4h6AE_QbZUyJQ6200H3Pkq37lah4D2PSJZYxWoNaOPIPMEJExrPJFKMixA6SY.fVz8wfZnVkJ8AcN1auPxRmWblgHu1iQvJDGR2sxp2uFYq5r.OF2EvnYvJQTZ6mqawTgVs6I Message-ID: <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:42:38 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >> In the interests of a reasonably speedy boot that gets to the end >> without hiccups, I agree with you. Further there is the matter of >> keeping the !Boot directory small so that it can be copied or >> backed up easily. (And in the last respect holding browser caches >> in Boot is not good news.) >> So the question is what is the speediest and least complex place to >> put such applications: > >> 1. Resources? >> 2. One of Apps, Printing and Utilities? >> 3. Listed in Look At in Boot Configure? > > What I do is to create a directory (I call mine 'RunAtBoot') into > which I put all the Apps I normally run at Boot, e.g. SparkFS, Zap, > MoreDesk, etc. I then drag this one directory into > Configure->Boot->Run and all the apps in the directory are run during > boot up. That works. But I still have the "Shared C library out of date" problem. After installing the Castle Shared C lib (by running the SysMerge file) I seem to have different versions in two places: Clib 5.47 in !System.Modules Clib 5.53 in !System.310.Modules (I take it this is the Castle version) Should they both be there? Are they conflicting with one another? (n.b. this is under VRPC) -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H641z-2e2GPo-04-FEK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H641z-2e2GPo-04-FEK; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:00:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H641z-2e2GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:00:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H641z-0000vd-0P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:00:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15D2D59C50A; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21631-06-2; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 720B359C511; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:58:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFDC559C480 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21449-01-3 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F26259C4A4 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H641F-0005kZ-CB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:59:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:59:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1045 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > That works. But I still have the "Shared C library out of date" > problem. After installing the Castle Shared C lib (by running the > SysMerge file) I seem to have different versions in two places: > Clib 5.47 in !System.Modules This directory is a legacy one, and there shouldn't be anything in it (unless you have one of the small number of misbehaved old applications that specifically look here). > Clib 5.53 in !System.310.Modules (I take it this is the Castle > version) This is correct. !System.310.Modules is where all generic modules should be kept. CLib 5.53 is, I believe, the latest version for 26-bit systems (my Iyonix has 5.54 in ROM). > Should they both be there? Are they conflicting with one another? > (n.b. this is under VRPC) The SharedCLib problem is due either to an old version being softloaded from somewhere early in boot (the CLib can only be softloaded once), or an app that requires the later version not checking and loading it correctly. -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H646S-4X5Vbs-05-F9r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H646S-4X5Vbs-05-F9r; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:04:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H646S-4X5Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:04:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H646R-00071s-Ey for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:04:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CAF059C69F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23328-01; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C92E859C694; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:02:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5C0959C67A for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22718-01-7 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7213159C67D for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H645e-000757-1R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:03:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea50c6612chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea4fbfd6dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea4c1b0aecharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4ea4ca6d10chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4ea4fbfd6dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1046 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea4fbfd6dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > I suspect I've got an old version tucked away somewhere. Can > someone tell me if there is a "search" command so I can get the > machine to look for it. The obvious one is (Filer window menu)->File->Find. There are also third party utilities such as Locate by Steve Fryatt http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/ -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H64Mc-2Fv000-03-Eth.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H64Mc-2Fv000-03-Eth; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:21:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H64Mc-2Fv000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:21:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H64Mb-0005DC-MM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:21:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 212C059C20C; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27712-07-7; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BAEF59C210; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:19:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63CAF59B9D6 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27469-02 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E9BC959ADC2 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 142 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 12:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 12:20:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pZ2m0FUVM1kHu26.0JD6LO_Njh4uXgIPvGzBeUvVsNWnn1ryzTn1fjEpiLRLn_C1W8KDJauRCnfU8_oj89rO6xtk2nOmsRMIeANrKfhvuScsCE.aUKY- Message-ID: <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:20:41 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1047 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > >> That works. But I still have the "Shared C library out of date" >> problem. > The SharedCLib problem is due either to an old version being > softloaded from somewhere early in boot (the CLib can only be > softloaded once), or an app that requires the later version not > checking and loading it correctly. Hmmm ... well, I have removed all the files from within !System.Modules (to a place where they cannot be soft loaded), leaving only Clib 5.53 in !System.310. Modules. Running a search with !Locate suggests that is the only Clib available. David Pilling's new RTF loader is the app that generates the error message (I haven't tried other loaders). But since no one else has reported a problem with this, I assume the cause must lie elsewhere. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H64Y0-337000-01-EiJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H64Y0-337000-01-EiJ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:33:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H64Y0-337000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:33:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H64Y0-0005j1-Cv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:33:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8CEC59C2CE; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30781-05; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EE6759C28F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:31:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A51C59C08D for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30529-05 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD7DA59BD67 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (85-210-165-190.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.165.190]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F87E00043A for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:32:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45AA22DC.9000804@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:32:28 +0000 From: Christopher Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1048 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: christopher.bryant@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This is very welcome, thanks. But alas, there seems to be one quite serious problem: footnotes are apparently thrown away. I appreciate that they can't be put in properly where they belong, but it's important that the text in them must not be lost, however it might be marked where it is given. Can this be fixed? (This is one of those things introduced by slash-asterisk as not in early versions of RTF.) Yours Christopher From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:52:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H64uX-0igknw-03-ELm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:52:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H64uX-0igknw-03-ELm; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:56:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H64uX-0igknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:56:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H64uW-0003RE-Tt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:56:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C56A59C3A7; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04179-08; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2012759C390; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:54:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D24CA59C2BC for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03957-03 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E05159BEF8 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H64tl-0000JK-Cx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:55:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:55:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1049 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > > > >> That works. But I still have the "Shared C library out of date" > >> problem. > > The SharedCLib problem is due either to an old version being > > softloaded from somewhere early in boot (the CLib can only be > > softloaded once), or an app that requires the later version not > > checking and loading it correctly. > Hmmm ... well, I have removed all the files from within > !System.Modules (to a place where they cannot be soft loaded), > leaving only Clib 5.53 in !System.310. Modules. Running a search > with !Locate suggests that is the only Clib available. > David Pilling's new RTF loader is the app that generates the error > message (I haven't tried other loaders). But since no one else has > reported a problem with this, I assume the cause must lie elsewhere. Well, David should know a lot more than me about this but... I have looked at !Boot, !Run, and the !Convert and !Server binaries, and Messages in TransRTF. Nowhere is that error message that I can see, or any attempt to RMensure the CLib module. Maybe this latter is the problem. Open a taskwindow (ctrl-F12) and do a *h. modules. Check what version of the SharedClib is active. It may be that no other apps on your system are actually softloading the SharedCLib, and TransRTF doesn't itself so there is only the old ROM version active. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:53:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H67JJ-2dYVbs-05-Bx0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H67JJ-2dYVbs-05-Bx0; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:30:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H67JJ-2dYVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:30:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H67JI-00052O-SX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:30:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AC1959C681; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13368-02; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E69759C6B0; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:28:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA88259C66F for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13126-01 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6F21559C617 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28989 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 15:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 15:29:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4vwMcncVM1kDznjFmN61_YD5BRCVOCwymp93.Y9mbOgnzjYv.CzUlcCoDyB.H.IkGmCMutovLJpSYAM1dmYH_zURWcItqLA18_8sthCRXIHVLtDV0hw- Message-ID: <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:29:33 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1050 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Chris Johnson wrote: >>> In article <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk>, >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>> >>>> That works. But I still have the "Shared C library out of date" >>>> problem. > >>> The SharedCLib problem is due either to an old version being >>> softloaded from somewhere early in boot (the CLib can only be >>> softloaded once), or an app that requires the later version not >>> checking and loading it correctly. > >> Hmmm ... well, I have removed all the files from within >> !System.Modules (to a place where they cannot be soft loaded), >> leaving only Clib 5.53 in !System.310. Modules. Running a search >> with !Locate suggests that is the only Clib available. > >> David Pilling's new RTF loader is the app that generates the error >> message (I haven't tried other loaders). But since no one else has >> reported a problem with this, I assume the cause must lie elsewhere. > > Well, David should know a lot more than me about this but... > > I have looked at !Boot, !Run, and the !Convert and !Server binaries, > and Messages in TransRTF. Nowhere is that error message that I can > see, or any attempt to RMensure the CLib module. Maybe this latter is > the problem. > > Open a taskwindow (ctrl-F12) and do a *h. modules. Check what version > of the SharedClib is active. It may be that no other apps on your > system are actually softloading the SharedCLib, and TransRTF doesn't > itself so there is only the old ROM version active. That's the explanation --- it seems to be loading the ROM version instead of the version in !System.310 *ROMModules shows SharedCLibrary 4.98 as active If I put Clib 5.53 in !Boot.Choices.Default.Boot.PreDesk and reboot, then *ROMModules shows ShareCLibrary 4.98 as dormant, and *h. modules lists CLibrary 5.53 ... and, of course, that works around the "Shared C library out of date" problem. But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being picked up direct from !System.310 ? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:53:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H67d6-3Qu000-08-BdD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H67d6-3Qu000-08-BdD; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:50:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H67d6-3Qu000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:50:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H67d5-0002Ye-TM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:50:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B2D659C01A; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18441-02; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4190B59C1D3; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 910F859C01A for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18236-03 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57CF059BF4C for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H67cN-00061i-D3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:49:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1051 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being > picked up direct from !System.310 ? !System.310.Modules *is* the correct place for the SharedCLib. What should happen is that any application that requires the newer version should 1. Check (by RMEnsure) whether the correct CLib is loaded 2. If not present, should RMLoad the module from !System 3. Check to make sure the new CLib has been loaded It presumably means that TransRTF is not doing this. What you could try doing is to insert the following two lines of code into the !TransRTF.!Run file (note lines 2 and 3 below are actually *one* line. RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.34 Error Application requires SharedCLibrary 5.34 or later Put these two lines of code before the WimpSlot line in the !Run file, and see whether this cures the problem. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:53:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H68Pq-1h6knw-08-AqT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H68Pq-1h6knw-08-AqT; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:41:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H68Pq-1h6knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:41:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H68Pp-0000yb-Q3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:41:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 468FD59C82F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01661-06-3; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC8BE59C85B; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D306759C82F for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01414-02-7 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C714659C83F for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H68P0-00049G-TZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:40:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:38:08 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1052 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 14 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being picked > up direct from !System.310 ? I wonder if it is because the !Run file of !TransRTF does not contain a line like this: RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.53 RMLoad System:Modules.Clib plus a line or two to error out informatively if the right version is not found. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:53:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H68px-40r000-04-AQM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H68px-40r000-04-AQM; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:08:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H68px-40r000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:08:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H68pt-00052K-3s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:08:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A42E059C70A; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08728-01-6; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B15459C6FB; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D11A059C5C4 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08486-01-4 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 4FDEC59C477 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 78107 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 17:07:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 17:07:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vQ4i7WwVM1ndPSojMo.8w3LfXmXDPiYsOIt_NxzwpEre.P4eJn8tgxhBBnfRkROBAt.irfgTbx6UQ_XmLK89aYlvpYlm6D.oBjUj47yBgiRs7GJfLQs- Message-ID: <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:07:10 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1053 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being >> picked up direct from !System.310 ? > > !System.310.Modules *is* the correct place for the SharedCLib. > What you could try doing is to insert the following two lines of code > into the !TransRTF.!Run file (note lines 2 and 3 below are actually > *one* line. > > RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib > RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.34 Error Application requires > SharedCLibrary 5.34 or later If I substitute 5.33 for 5.34 in the above, then that seems to work (I'm using VRPC). So, many thanks for that tip. Just to check that this is working as it should ... to load an RTF file into OP you drop it onto the iconbar OP icon, not into an OP document window (which doesn't work). Is that correct? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:53:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H690J-1Cu000-06-AG0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H690J-1Cu000-06-AG0; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:18:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H690J-1Cu000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:18:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H690I-0001S2-JL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:18:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1611C59B56B; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11738-01; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BE7659B5B8; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD9DF59B46C for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11405-03 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BBAC59B56B for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H68zX-000848-Jv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:17:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1054 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > >> But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being > >> picked up direct from !System.310 ? > > > > !System.310.Modules *is* the correct place for the SharedCLib. > > What you could try doing is to insert the following two lines of code > > into the !TransRTF.!Run file (note lines 2 and 3 below are actually > > *one* line. > > > > RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib > > RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.34 Error Application requires > > SharedCLibrary 5.34 or later > If I substitute 5.33 for 5.34 in the above, then that seems to work ^^^^ I assume you mean 5.53. Since you have 5.53, then that is fine. As far as I know, 5.34 is the lowest 32-bit CLib that was released and should work on any system. The above lines are as recommended by Castle. > (I'm using VRPC). So, many thanks for that tip. > Just to check that this is working as it should ... to load an RTF > file into OP you drop it onto the iconbar OP icon, not into an OP > document window (which doesn't work). Is that correct? As far as I know - yes. You can then copy and paste into another document if necessary. Glad you have now got it sorted. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 18:53:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H69Ut-2nUVbs-08-9lQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:53:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H69Ut-2nUVbs-08-9lQ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:50:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H69Ut-2nUVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:50:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H69Us-0001F1-Qt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:50:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71FC959B229; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20577-04; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E1DD59C07F; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:48:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B52B59B229 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20300-08 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id CE01D59AA69 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24728 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 17:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 17:49:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ghqdzW4VM1mnij9BFIHcIoDIfISUCBKUWUm6o7bISvh2jQAs2OXVpVUMYFZDD7.WUHosgFLwGn2WmHlUPeYIb1cDffGq7HwyvC4gj_5Jv.52WsaJhj6YoCKa4MRyz2_jhzTKiYSve8Zgq_TJ_OwdoSVmdL0X_tXM Message-ID: <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:49:34 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1055 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Chris Johnson wrote: >>> In article <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk>, >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>>> But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being >>>> picked up direct from !System.310 ? >>> !System.310.Modules *is* the correct place for the SharedCLib. > >>> What you could try doing is to insert the following two lines of code >>> into the !TransRTF.!Run file (note lines 2 and 3 below are actually >>> *one* line. >>> >>> RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib >>> RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.34 Error Application requires >>> SharedCLibrary 5.34 or later > >> If I substitute 5.33 for 5.34 in the above, then that seems to work > ^^^^ > I assume you mean 5.53. Since you have 5.53, then that is fine. Curious ... when I typed in the lines exactly as you suggested, saved the !Run file, and rebooted VRPC, dropping an RTF file onto the OP icon returned the error: "Unknown object creator at 225". So, I changed 5.34 to 5.33 and it worked ... but, of course, I was thinking of 5.53. Anyway, I've changed it back to 5.34 and everything still works. Bizarre! Thanks for the help. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 19:11:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6AdV-0j3GPo-03-8co.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:11:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6AdV-0j3GPo-03-8co; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:03:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6AdV-0j3GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:03:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6AdP-0002yN-M2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:03:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AD5B59C890; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10452-01-3; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51F1F59C774; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4334759C750 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10273-07 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20BDC59C738 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6AcM-0002rh-Ld for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:02:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:00:41 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <4ea4bff0b3Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4ea4bff0b3Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1056 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea4bff0b3Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >Even a poet. All a play on the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, if you're not familiar with it see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/milliways.shtml Now that was the question I wanted to answer. Coming up a reply to all the other stuff... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 19:21:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6Au8-2gZ000-08-Gsh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:21:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6Au8-2gZ000-08-Gsh; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:20:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6Au8-2gZ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:20:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6Au7-0006qu-AG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:20:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ED8159C940; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16591-04; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD83359C9B9; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4693A59BF7F for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16336-01-6 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C845359C915 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6AtL-0007SX-BX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:19:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:18:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1057 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >to 5.34 and everything still works. Bizarre! There has been a lot of discussion about things, so there's not much point me setting off from the start, I'll just make some general points. (1) I should have RMEnsured a version of the C library and/or I should have linked with GStubs like Ovation Pro so that the latest C library is not needed. I'll sort that out soon. (Thinks, a bit grim that Castles C library is still causing so much mayhem. Since the transloader is called from inside a C application i.e. C lib is in use so can't be clobbered, I think I can't do much other than end with an error. ISTR force loading the latest C lib in !Boot on my RISC PC) (2) You can make a transloader the current one by double clicking on it. This also runs it - quick way to find out if there are going to be C library problems. (3) You can read off which transloaders are active and where they are located by doing F12, then show FFG* (4) RTF files have to have the correct file type to show the correct icon - that type is C32. (5) Footnotes - hmm well yes, there's a great deal I have not done. Comes down to the usual problem of what is useful. The Windows version handles pictures. If I assumed the presence of some sort of filter system - the fileswop thing on the Iyonix then I could support pictures. Bear in mind pictures will be WMF or BMP. (6) Loading RTF - I think at the moment it works on whole documents. So you drag to the OP icon bar icon. However ISTR that the Beebug filter knows there are two types of RTF - documents and bits of text. Back in 1995 I knew how this worked, at the moment I don't. I'd be interested to know how the new RTF filter compares with the old one. I have supported the font mapping that the old one did, but I've not supported the character set mapping it seems to have built in (see the mappings folder in the old TransRTF). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 14 19:51:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6BJ1-0H1GPo-05-GTo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:51:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6BJ1-0H1GPo-05-GTo; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:46:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6BJ1-0H1GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:46:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6BIb-0003Hl-SQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:46:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFEF059C5FF; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24985-01-3; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AD7859C5BD; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A75359C46F for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24634-09 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5B30459C477 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 67269 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2007 19:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2007 19:44:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P0ICptsVM1mtxcUgEU6m_ruPQww7h8s0oF57Q88KXasa70she1tBIZEAcGscs1RBnhr.h17B1tADLjP8p9TJJFVZLbih6upTFxngrDzbJ1VsIqdx8OxrjNv5vUgCEWxv8_qk_sFY_vZKWO_mZb3OfyCLX305XHbJ Message-ID: <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:44:47 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1058 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> to 5.34 and everything still works. Bizarre! > > (4) RTF files have to have the correct file type to show the correct > icon - that type is C32. The only icon I can get is a black "?" on a white "sheet of paper". That's not the RTF icon as I recall it. Where do the icon sprites live? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 11:42:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6Dwi-3kdVbs-03-Dq7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:42:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6Dwi-3kdVbs-03-Dq7; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:35:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6Dwi-3kdVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:35:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6Dwh-0001u7-TB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:35:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AB0C59CC26; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09015-09; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED9E559CB8D; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:33:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9518E59CAF0 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08782-04-7 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA43459CB5B for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H6Dvx-0005ns-V1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:34:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:34:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea5461f77chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1059 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > As the Universe dims, the last stars twinkle out and entropy heads > towards a maximum, the 32 bit RISC OS version of the Ovation Pro > RTF filter pops into existence: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > I'd be inclined to say that software was low in entropy (disorder, > chaos), judge for yourself. As a physical chemist, I quite enjoyed the above - having spent most of my career trying to get undergraduuates to understand the nuances of entropy as it applies to reaction dynamics etc. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 12:11:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6QdY-0t1GPo-04-9fn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:11:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6QdY-0t1GPo-04-9fn; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:08:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6QdY-0t1GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:08:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6QdY-0007Br-AC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:08:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DEFB59D2BF; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15425-07; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3918359D2AE; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:06:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4ABA59D246 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15282-01 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 392C059D24D for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6QcF-0001wl-JS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:07:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:05:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1060 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >The only icon I can get is a black "?" on a white "sheet of paper". >That's not the RTF icon as I recall it. Where do the icon sprites live? (I now find) Beebug and myself have never supplied an icon for the RTF file type. I guess we thought this was a system wide type and we should not get involved. That is true on the Iyonix, where a file type icon does appear. If you have David Breakwell's MakeRTF (filter that allows RTF to be saved out from Ovation Pro) then that has an icon for RTF. You could put an icon in the !Sprites file inside !TransRTF. Although this does create the potential problem of different applications redefining the icon. I've just uploaded a GStubs version of the filter: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip point being that can be used without any change to C libraries. Finally I guess on Virtual Acorn etc. you can use the old Beebug RTF filter - so you have a choice. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 12:11:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6Qg5-143GPo-04-9dG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:11:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6Qg5-143GPo-04-9dG; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:11:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6Qg5-143GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:11:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6Qg5-0005e5-9M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:11:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6B7E59D04A; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16076-08; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4045359D22B; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6773E59D203 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15904-04 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3160859BC95 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (85-210-165-190.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.165.190]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0AEE00039F for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:10:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <45AB6F2A.8080006@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:10:18 +0000 From: Christopher Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: christopher.bryant@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > (5) Footnotes - hmm well yes, there's a great deal I have not done. > Comes down to the usual problem of what is useful. This would be. Of course one can sweep round it to some extent, by first editing the original RTF to replace the slash-asterisk before a footnote by a marker of some sort, but it would be better done in the background if possible, because it's not simple to find in editing where the numerous nesting brackets finish at the end of the note. What makes this serious, as I've said, is that now part of the original disappears without a trace (and without warning). The remedy doesn't have to be elaborate - even just a line feed before and after the note text would be a big help. > I'd be interested to know how the new RTF filter compares with the old one. Well, there was at least one annoying bug it's good to find has disappeared - failure to deal with endashes. Regards Christopher From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 12:21:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6Qjb-1cYGPo-01-9Zk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:21:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6Qjb-1cYGPo-01-9Zk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:14:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6Qjb-1cYGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:14:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6Qjb-0002AY-96 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:14:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 998C159D018; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17273-03; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E97F59D016; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E07C659C2EA for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17074-01-8 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B54F59C7AE for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6Qin-0006Ng-CR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:13:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:12:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <4ea5461f77chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5461f77chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1062 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea5461f77chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >As a physical chemist, I quite enjoyed the above - having spent most You'd see entropy as the energy input divided by the temperature. I'd have to say there was a huge energy input to this piece of software. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 12:21:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6Qlt-231GPo-03-9XS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:21:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6Qlt-231GPo-03-9XS; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6Qlt-231GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6Qls-0001zk-Nc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F9FE59D064; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17777-01-3; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64CFD59D0F4; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B43959D006 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17585-09 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3999859CC3D for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6Qkf-00079b-CB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:15:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:14:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AB6F2A.8080006@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45AB6F2A.8080006@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45AB6F2A.8080006@dsl.pipex.com>, Christopher Bryant writes > Well, there was at least one annoying bug it's good to find has >disappeared - failure to deal with endashes. Hmm. Maybe that could have been fixed by editing the character table in the mappings folder inside the old filter. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 17:42:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6Vne-0ZvGPo-07-D2D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:42:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6Vne-0ZvGPo-07-D2D; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6Vne-0ZvGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6Vnd-0003Yq-66 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67F9659E275; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18020-05; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D60D59E237; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:37:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B65E59E28A for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17798-01-6 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 773E059E28B for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-154-71.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.154.71]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96799E000582 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:38:25 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:29:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea5ae1a57rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If you have David Breakwell's MakeRTF (filter that allows RTF to be > saved out from Ovation Pro) then that has an icon for RTF. Where is MakeRTF available? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 18:12:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6WEF-0N8000-07-Cbc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:12:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6WEF-0N8000-07-Cbc; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6WEF-0N8000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6WEF-0002yx-84 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:06:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF43A59E0AF; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26093-05-7; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BD7559E04E; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA28159DCDC for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25834-03 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45E6659DC89 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-35-250.as15444.net [82.163.35.250]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0FI5cpa026858 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:05:39 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:47:51 GMT Message-ID: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea5ae1a57rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5ae1a57rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.096, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1065 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 15 Jan 2007 "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: > In article <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > >> If you have David Breakwell's MakeRTF (filter that allows RTF to be >> saved out from Ovation Pro) then that has an icon for RTF. > > > > Where is MakeRTF available? No longer anywhere, I think, but the licence seems to allow any of us who have it to pass it on. Warning: it's useful but not perfect; it was never finished, I think. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 19:02:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6WyO-1XK000-06-BrT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:02:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6WyO-1XK000-06-BrT; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6WyO-1XK000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6WyN-00045w-F5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B05F59DC81; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08877-03-2; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F97559DCC1; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:52:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E70C159DB91 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08623-02 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0A8459DC0D for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3104.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC4B81C00092 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:53:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from Phoebe (user-5447f97b.wfd94.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.71.249.123]) by mwinf3104.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7C0181C00087 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:53:36 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070115185336508.7C0181C00087@mwinf3104.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea5b5c0aefreelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >The only icon I can get is a black "?" on a white "sheet of paper". > >That's not the RTF icon as I recall it. Where do the icon sprites live? > (I now find) Beebug and myself have never supplied an icon for the RTF > file type. I guess we thought this was a system wide type and we should > not get involved. I used the set that are located here http://www.somascape.org/riscos/misc/4icons.html on Lenny's Somascape site. You can download them directly from http://www.somascape.org/riscos/misc/4icons.zip -- ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 19:32:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6XQF-3FNknw-07-BPc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:32:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6XQF-3FNknw-07-BPc; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:23:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6XQF-3FNknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:23:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6XQD-0004vI-9w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:23:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AE9A59E42A; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18481-01-9; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5337A59E3E7; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC63C59E393 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18206-05 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94FF159E392 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-154-71.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.154.71]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53ABE000139 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:22:16 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:22:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea5b85d3brhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea5ae1a57rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rhnews@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 15 Jan 2007 "Rob Hemmings (News)" wrote: > > In article <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> If you have David Breakwell's MakeRTF (filter that allows RTF to be > >> saved out from Ovation Pro) then that has an icon for RTF. > > > > > > > > Where is MakeRTF available? > No longer anywhere, I think, but the licence seems to allow any of us > who have it to pass it on. Warning: it's useful but not perfect; it > was never finished, I think. > With best wishes, > Peter. Thanks Peter, I'd be very grateful if you would like to send a copy in my direction. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 15 21:42:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6ZYW-1H3000-04-9HL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:42:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6ZYW-1H3000-04-9HL; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:39:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6ZYW-1H3000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:39:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6ZYW-00033A-1S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:39:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 568A259E5F2; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29866-01-2; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D78FF59E657; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F32DD59E655 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29662-01 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C9C959E5E7 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6ZXh-0001NG-Fc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:39:02 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Fred Bambrough X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:52:06 GMT Message-ID: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 14 Jan, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> But why do I have to put Clib into PreDesk. Why isn't it being picked >> up direct from !System.310 ? > > I wonder if it is because the !Run file of !TransRTF does not contain a > line like this: > > RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.53 RMLoad System:Modules.Clib > > plus a line or two to error out informatively if the right version is > not found. ISTR that the newer versions of CLib need to be run prior to any other being seen - that you can't just load it once an older version has been used. I think to this effect that I have a BASIC one liner in PreDesk called !!!LoadSCL (to make sure it runs first). The content is: OSCLI "RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.34 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib" CLib then goes in !System.310 as usual. -- Fred From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6a6D-3St000-02-8je.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6a6D-3St000-02-8je; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:14:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6a6D-3St000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:14:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6a63-0004lc-69 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:14:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF37259D355; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07579-01-4; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2088659DDBF; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:12:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1963E59C4F4 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07211-05-4 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A093259CD98 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6a4p-0007cY-IQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:13:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:14:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1069 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello I wonder if someone can help me with a few problems I have; 1. I need to produce a layout sheet for the printers so that they can verify each page in turn and their order. I'll describe the ideal layout of the layout sheet to you, as I can't very well draw you a picture. It needs to have two columns of thumbnails running down the center of the page. These thumbnails are thumbnails of pages of the magazine as if it were a booklet opened out. For example, the cover (called for this purpose page 1) of a booklet, would appear in the top row, right hand side. This would leave the thumbnail on this row on the left hand side empty. The following center spread (pages 2 and 3) would appear on the second row with 2 on the left hand side, and 3 on the right hand side. This pattern would follow on. Next to each thumbnail, there needs to be a box for which text can be input by me about the specifics of that page, eg. whether it has bleed or not. Then, underneath this text frame (but still next to the thumbnail) there needs to be a box which contains that page number. Now the whole point is that the sheet is symmetrical, so if you started to look at the sheet from the left hand side, you would have a text frame with a page number under it, next to this there is a thumbnail, then another thumbnail, and then next to this a text frame with the page number underneath it. There should ideally be 8 thumbnails (4 rows) on a page. Now here is the question, has any one got, can tell how me to do, or (asking for the impossible!) write a program that would have this layout inbuilt, so that I can drop mini pictures of the magazine pages into it, but also, so that if I change something, like add a page, it will automatically update the thumbnails to move correspondingly. i.e. I need it kind of dynamic. Ok that's question 1. 2. I'm really stupid, but I keep crashing Ovation pro. It keeps coming up with "internal error type 5" or something like that. What am I doing wrong? 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures in frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this so that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to be 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' 2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that the text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four CMYK plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I have checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black with nothing else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. What have I done wrong? Just so that you know, the pages I send are EPS files, where each page is is printed to postscript individually. HELP! I'm getting a lot of flak because the magazine is late, but being new to the print industry I am learning on job, and I want to get it right- no more black and white covers please! I hope you can follow and understand, and ultimately help. (A quick response to say that someone is looking at my questions would be nice too, otherwise I'll spend all night waiting for a reply!) Many thanks Louie Smith From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6aWQ-3vJ000-07-Gpx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6aWQ-3vJ000-07-Gpx; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:41:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6aWQ-3vJ000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:41:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6aWN-0000Nb-SM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:41:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8EAE59E5EF; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15613-03; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A069A59E6B2; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA56659E6ED for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15257-07 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id EC76559E596 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74837 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 22:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 22:40:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PWp5i2gVM1l83hgZTz_bWY.x1WG3XI5zYtXZugPeKdB26QbkyFTzNWOcY3_Q3opXi8V0eUYr3M8x7k946Lat4jcgS.xpuDuoLX2uuUjuYKn7eW9Haki2dD32XgO1xFAc8EhhxkRFlLqSHNGpXc21K4F8ea3Ew7Va Message-ID: <45AC02E9.8070408@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:40:41 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> The only icon I can get is a black "?" on a white "sheet of paper". >> That's not the RTF icon as I recall it. Where do the icon sprites live? > If you have David Breakwell's MakeRTF (filter that allows RTF to be > saved out from Ovation Pro) then that has an icon for RTF. > > You could put an icon in the !Sprites file inside !TransRTF. Although > this does create the potential problem of different applications > redefining the icon. Thanks for that suggestion. I may have MakeRTF somewhere, but Mark Fraser's suggestion provides a good alternative solution. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6aZ4-4Dz000-04-GnJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6aZ4-4Dz000-04-GnJ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:44:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6aZ4-4Dz000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:44:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6aZ3-0003FH-PR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:44:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3A9E59C5EA; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16726-01-4; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0328859DA9F; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:43:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B615159BB01 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16421-04 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 188DB59CDE4 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27586 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2007 22:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2007 22:43:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ETMbPVAVM1n9TLBuIUy1fUt7ihlicT2LOsLQPbt_RF0exjuXoTCyS2cvpyLAlR6vhafX5ZSJ2QzDJrKOFQe9iGMpcKg9QRfwNj.R5ejuVcfrsLd7qhHhHbD1G.gXJ6UDFgzlqp3IWFigZ.TjG9ZuBB951PkOJq7J Message-ID: <45AC0397.1080805@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:43:35 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea4bee4a0dfs@ukgateway.net> <07aacea44e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea4d01317chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA091E.50304@ed.ac.uk> <4ea50c00f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA2019.1090504@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5112457chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA4C5D.303@ed.ac.uk> <4ea521167echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA633E.2010608@ed.ac.uk> <4ea5292054chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <45AA6D2E.9050804@ed.ac.uk> <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk> <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea5b5c0aefreelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea5b5c0aefreelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Mark Fraser wrote: > In article <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> The only icon I can get is a black "?" on a white "sheet of paper". >>> That's not the RTF icon as I recall it. Where do the icon sprites live? > >> (I now find) Beebug and myself have never supplied an icon for the RTF >> file type. I guess we thought this was a system wide type and we should >> not get involved. > > I used the set that are located here > http://www.somascape.org/riscos/misc/4icons.html on Lenny's Somascape site. > You can download them directly from > http://www.somascape.org/riscos/misc/4icons.zip Thanks for this. They include some icons that are not in the RO4 set with VRPC (including RTF) and look quite nice on screen. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6ajd-033knw-04-Gck.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6ajd-033knw-04-Gck; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:55:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6ajd-033knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:55:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6ajb-00003u-VD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:55:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58EE459DC27; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19882-03-4; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AC1259E475; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:53:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1E9159DC15 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19516-02 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sgrsil49.onetel.net.uk (oasis-out-a.onetel.net.uk [212.67.121.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56D9F59BD67 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:53:29 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Yandell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:55:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Onetel AntiVirus X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steyan@onetel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 15 Jan, Louie wrote: > Hello > I wonder if someone can help me with a few problems I have; > 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures in > frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this so > that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole > magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to be > 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' Use referenced pictures - inserts a low resolution picture onto screen but uses the high definition for printing. > 2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that the > text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four CMYK > plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I have > checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black with nothing > else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. (A shot in the dark...) Try changing the text colour from black to registration. HTH Steve Yandell -- steyan@onetel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6avV-02QVbs-08-GQs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6avV-02QVbs-08-GQs; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6avV-02QVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6avQ-00068u-Ev for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:07:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96B7559E910; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23228-06; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5068059E7EF; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:05:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC47759E910 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23056-07 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E958959E873 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0FN5uKZ003032 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:05:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:05:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie wrote: > 1. I need to produce a layout sheet for the printers so that they can > verify each page in turn and their order. I'll describe the ideal layout > of the layout sheet to you, as I can't very well draw you a picture. As I mentioned earlier, I'm sure someone could write an applet to do this kind of thing. Unfortunately, I've never really mastered the art of OvPro applets! :-( > 2. I'm really stupid, but I keep crashing Ovation pro. It keeps coming up > with "internal error type 5" or something like that. What am I doing > wrong? I think you're breaking my Iyonix, that's what you're doing! ;-) Seriously though, I'm puzzled on this one. I'm sure it might be something to do with the intermittent problems I've reported with OvPro in the past (ie. odd lines of horizontal pixels appearing on the backdrop until you momentarily disable lazy task swapping and then re-enable it). It seems to be some kind of memory related problem but I'm not entirely sure what. I agree though, it's quite irritating. > 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures in > frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this so > that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole > magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to be > 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' If this is in relation to your thumbnails problem above, I think it's because you're dropping huge images into the frames without scaling them down first. > 2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that the > text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four CMYK > plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I have > checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black with > nothing else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. Stumped me! Like I said earlier, I suspect it's possibly something to do with anti-aliasing black against a coloured background, but that won't explain why it does it on white pages. > (A quick response to say that someone is looking at my questions would be > nice too, otherwise I'll spend all night waiting for a reply!) Well, I guess this isn't really an answer to your question - or I'd have fixed it earlier when I was playing around with it :-( I'd also be interested in the Type 5 crashing though, as it tends to put me off using OvPro myself whilst I've got other stuff running. I'm sure it's possibly a RISC OS 5/Iyonix problem though because I don't recall it occurring so frequently when I used the Risc PC. Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) Turn your Pentium into a Gameboy: Type WIN at C: prompt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6bfX-2wWknw-01-Fgq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6bfX-2wWknw-01-Fgq; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6bfX-2wWknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6bfT-0003jI-9v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C7CD59E84E; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05409-02-5; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B5CE59E867; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8507359E795 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05179-01 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 523F359E5B0 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6beh-000J3D-IW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:54:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea5d16973louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net (snip) > > 2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that the > > text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four CMYK > > plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I have > > checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black with nothing > > else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. > (A shot in the dark...) Try changing the text colour from black to > registration. Thank's I'll do this > HTH > Steve Yandell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:50:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6bfX-3DXknw-02-Fgq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6bfX-3DXknw-02-Fgq; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6bfX-3DXknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6bfS-0003Ad-4a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5108459E876; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05400-03-5; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57A0759E869; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:54:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9103559E79F for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05178-02 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60BBB59E6AE for ; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6bei-000J3D-GH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:54:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:56:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea5d1810flouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Well, I guess this isn't really an answer to your question - or I'd have > fixed it earlier when I was playing around with it :-( > I'd also be interested in the Type 5 crashing though, as it tends to put me > off using OvPro myself whilst I've got other stuff running. > I'm sure it's possibly a RISC OS 5/Iyonix problem though because I don't > recall it occurring so frequently when I used the Risc PC. > Paul Yes it did. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:52:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6l55-2PvGPo-02-Eno.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:52:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6l55-2PvGPo-02-Eno; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:58:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6l55-2PvGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:58:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6kwT-0002B5-4q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:49:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 273D559E577; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09749-03-3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FACB59ED76; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0702659DF46 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09483-09-2 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 535BE59DB32 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H6kvg-0007fY-5Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:48:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:27:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea605cb7egav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 3 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com>, Steve Yandell wrote: > On 15 Jan, Louie wrote: > > 2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that > > the text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four > > CMYK plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I > > have checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black > > with nothing else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. > (A shot in the dark...) Try changing the text colour from black to > registration. No, registration black will place the text on every plate separation, which, as I understand it, is the problem. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 11:52:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6lE4-3wzVbs-05-Eep.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:52:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6lE4-3wzVbs-05-Eep; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:07:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6lE4-3wzVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:07:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6kwQ-00011R-Vz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:49:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30AD959ED22; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09745-03-3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D03359ED65; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1B7859E577 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09483-09 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5930A59E627 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H6kvg-0007fY-Hh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:48:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:47:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 2 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie wrote: > 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures in > frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this so > that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole > magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to be > 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' Sounds like your pictures are too big. Why not re-scale them to produce optimised images at more appropriate resolutions. You could use referenced pictures, but you should still use pictures at the correct resolutions otherwise the PostScript output will be much larger than it needs to be and you could be causing further problems down the line, either with the possibility of PostScript errors on the RIP or just a reduction in image quality. > 2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that > the text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four > CMYK plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I > have checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black with > nothing else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. > What have I done wrong? Just so that you know, the pages I send are EPS > files, where each page is is printed to postscript individually. EPS? How are you creating these EPS files from the PostScript output - what program(s) are you using? And why not just use the PostScript output created by !Printers? Are you providing individual separations for each page or a composite printout? -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 13:50:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6ohA-1CFknw-07-BBj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:50:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6ohA-1CFknw-07-BBj; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:49:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6ohA-1CFknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:49:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6oh8-0006bQ-EL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:49:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9511959EFF1; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11779-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7708859F7B3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:47:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 310C859EF28 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11377-08 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB88359D39D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H6ogO-0005vg-7n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:49:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:44:28 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 4 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 15 Jan, Steve Yandell wrote: > On 15 Jan, Louie wrote: > > Hello >=20 > > I wonder if someone can help me with a few problems I have; >=20 >=20 > > 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures i= n > > frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this = so > > that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole > > magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to b= e > > 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' >=20 > Use referenced pictures - inserts a low resolution picture onto screen = but > uses the high definition for printing. I agree about referenced pictures (Shift-drag them to the required frame) as this keeps them out of the document. For instance I have one document with 42 pictures of around 8Mbytes each; with all these loaded by Reference, the Ovation file is no more than 102 Kbytes (there is hardly any text in this document). But you have to keep the referenced pictures in the same relative place to the Ovation file or you get 'can't find' errors. Finally you have to assemble them together somehow to send them to the printing firm, unless they can handle OPro files. However I have never found that OPro make a low resolution picture for screen display of a referenced picture; by the longish time to display each page, I am sure it is loading the raw image. I keep the images as Sprite files to speed up loading. A further issue is that currently I cannot print more than about 30 of these pages in one print command. This may be a legacy of the extended settings on NullWatch (which used to kill printing completely) or it may be some other issue of the large file sizes: I can see a 400 odd Mbytes file size in the Scrap directory on the way to the networked printer here. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 17:00:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6rYV-4Xlknw-04-Gqu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:00:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6rYV-4Xlknw-04-Gqu; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:53:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6rYV-4Xlknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:53:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6rYO-0007Ri-ND for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:53:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEBEC59FD97; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04836-02; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A3FF59FD56; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E53359FD4D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04522-02 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F41859FD43 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H6rXc-0006NM-5x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:52:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:49:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea62e3c91gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 5 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 15 Jan, Steve Yandell wrote: > > Use referenced pictures - inserts a low resolution picture onto > > screen but uses the high definition for printing. > I agree about referenced pictures (Shift-drag them to the required > frame) as this keeps them out of the document. For instance I have one > document with 42 pictures of around 8Mbytes each; with all these loaded > by Reference, the Ovation file is no more than 102 Kbytes (there is > hardly any text in this document). But you have to keep the referenced > pictures in the same relative place to the Ovation file or you get > 'can't find' errors. Finally you have to assemble them together somehow > to send them to the printing firm, unless they can handle OPro files. Assemble what together? If the printing firm can't handle OPro files you would surly be sending them a PostScript file or PDF created from printing from OPro. > However I have never found that OPro make a low resolution picture for > screen display of a referenced picture; by the longish time to display > each page, I am sure it is loading the raw image. I keep the images as > Sprite files to speed up loading. Use the Proxy setting to create low res version of the image in the document. The full sized 'referenced' image will be used when the document is being printed. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 17:10:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6rgE-0thVbs-01-GjB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:10:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6rgE-0thVbs-01-GjB; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:01:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6rgE-0thVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:01:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6rgC-00034I-HN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:01:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F248C59FE3B; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06824-05; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B97C259FEAB; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A0CA59FE3B for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06553-01 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55B0B59FE0B for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6rel-000JwR-2H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:59:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:57:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 6 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie writes >1. I need to produce a layout sheet for the printers so that they can You could use the thumbnails print format combined with some way of adding text which only appears on the layout print - perhaps styles which you turn on when you're printing the layout. The other alternative is to generate a document for your layout sheet. This has frames that you drop your pages into. You then print your document to something like SPrinter and drop the resulting sprites into the frames in the layout sheet. >but also, so that if I change something, like add a page, it will >automatically update the thumbnails to move correspondingly. i.e. I need it >kind of dynamic. Have a series of frames layed out on the grid pattern you desire. Next link the text flows between them (again in the order you want). Finally embed a number of frames in the text flow, drop your sprites into these embedded frames. >2. I'm really stupid, but I keep crashing Ovation pro. It keeps coming up >with "internal error type 5" or something like that. What am I doing wrong? Without more information this is hard to answer. The problem could be nothing to do with OP - might be hardware, might be other software. Of course it could easily be a bug in Ovation Pro. If it is a bug it will be triggered by a specific set of actions. It is a good idea to not propagate old documents for a huge number of generations, i.e. always basing a new document on an old one, because if there is some corruption in the old document it will keep getting copied to the new ones. If you save a document in DDL format and then reload the DDL, it is cleaned up and any corruption is likely to be removed. >3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures in >frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this so Yes use the referenced pictures feature. See the chapter in the manual on dealing with big pictures. I'd echo what others have said today, try not to use images that are far bigger than necessary. Can be difficult of course because when you start you may not know what the final size is going to be. >2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that the >text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four CMYK >plates. I have checked the colours and the text is black, and I have >checked to see the composition of black, and it is 100% black with nothing >else in it. Yet it is still appearing on all 4 plates. Check which black is actually in use and then check that it is defined in the CMYK colour model. The dangers are that there is more than one black, in other words what colour is the text actually in, and that the black is defined in RGB space. This point should be easy to resolve if you send me a small example document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 17:10:43 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6ril-2GXknw-05-Gge.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:10:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6ril-2GXknw-05-Gge; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:03:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6ril-2GXknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:03:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6rig-0004mr-PL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:03:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A63C59FFAF; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07772-01; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8E9759FF66; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:01:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8025659FE7D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07400-07 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85DBD59FEC6 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6rhR-000Amn-89 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:02:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:00:34 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 7 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >hardly any text in this document). But you have to keep the referenced >pictures in the same relative place to the Ovation file or you get >'can't find' errors. It has to be able to find the pictures - ISTR you can set up path variables that point to the pictures. > Finally you have to assemble them together somehow >to send them to the printing firm, unless they can handle OPro files. Just printing will assemble the pictures into one file. >However I have never found that OPro make a low resolution picture for >screen display of a referenced picture; You have to enable 'proxy' images if you want this. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 17:30:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6s3E-3YXVbs-03-GMB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:30:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6s3E-3YXVbs-03-GMB; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6s3E-3YXVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6s3A-0004Yi-Tf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:24:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD72C59B952; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13071-07; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8682859FF39; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:22:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADBD659B952 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12851-07 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BF3D59E994 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0GHNahe001026 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:23:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:23:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 8 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > Without more information this is hard to answer. The problem could be > nothing to do with OP - might be hardware, might be other software. > Of course it could easily be a bug in Ovation Pro. If it is a bug it > will be triggered by a specific set of actions. This is a tricky one. Louie is using OvationPro (version 2.77) on my Iyonix Aria Cube, which has RISC OS 5.11 on it. I've been trying to spot a common cause to this problem for several months now. I'm sure it's possibly an interaction between OvPro and some other piece of software - but other than disabling everything else whilst using OvPro, it's a bit tricky to diagnose. I generally quit all applications before I let Louie loose on the machine, but I guess it could also be triggered by a third-party module loaded at boot up (things like IClear, MoveWindow, WindOpen, QFiler and RPFS etc) - but disabling all of those for an extended period would be rather irritating! :-) I don't think it's hardware because the same problems used to occur on my older Iyonix before I upgraded. However, if I can track anything down I'll report back! :-) Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) 51 things to do in a lift.... 29. Leave a box between the doors. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 17:40:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6s9P-0TRVbs-05-GG0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:40:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6s9P-0TRVbs-05-GG0; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:31:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6s9P-0TRVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:31:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6s9P-0003jj-37 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:31:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B1025A0166; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15050-01; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2C815A0147; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:29:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9C075A0138 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14839-07 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E70335A01AD for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6s8b-0001vT-1w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:30:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 9 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: [Snip] > EPS? How are you creating these EPS files from the PostScript output - > what program(s) are you using? And why not just use the PostScript > output created by !Printers? I am printing the files to postscript from !Printers. I then load them to view them using ghostview. The last printer wanted only PDF which resulted in the atrocious quality of printing, as they could not separate the plates properly, or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within the files. Also, because they were in PDF they were unable to edit the files. > Are you providing individual separations > for each page or a composite printout? No they do that. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 17:40:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6sAp-0BkVbs-06-GEa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:40:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6sAp-0BkVbs-06-GEa; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:32:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6sAp-0BkVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:32:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6sAp-0005OY-KC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:32:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B66B5A0232; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15686-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C91855A0174; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99F15A025A for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15265-01-9 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 842B65A0264 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6s9d-000Egx-BK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:31:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 10 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >>2. I have had another problem at the printers, this time saying that the >>text is not actually black, and that it is appearing on all four CMYK >This point should be easy to resolve if you send me a small example >document. Also easy to experiment with - the view menu lets you select which separation to display. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 18:00:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6sT8-2fWVbs-05-FwH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6sT8-2fWVbs-05-FwH; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6sT8-2fWVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6sT8-0005sr-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83F8459FE8B; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21826-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C8E459FDF6; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:49:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 614F359FE8B for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21526-06 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 273A759FE88 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6sSP-000O7R-9M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:50:50 +0000 Message-ID: <0A5xWiH3ARrFFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:49:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 11 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie writes >In article <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: >> Are you providing individual separations >> for each page or a composite printout? >No they do that. It is not clear to me from the above if you are using OP to generate separations or if you're sending composite printouts to the printer. If you are sending composite printouts then all bets are off, because the RISC OS printer driver system is RGB based any CMYK data will be scrambled. There is one exception CMYK bitmaps will appear in the composite PostScript in CMYK form. OP on Windows can put all CMYK information in the output PostScript. Possibly when Martin Wuerthner produces his new RISC OS PS driver things will improve. In the meantime, as I said a few months back, producing PostScript on RISC OS is a mine field and it is pity that it is not documented anywhere, and so people have to keep repeating the mistakes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 19:10:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6tgt-1Obknw-02-EiW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:10:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6tgt-1Obknw-02-EiW; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:09:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6tgt-1Obknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:09:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6tgp-0003Bt-Of for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:09:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B52745A0DE4; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14181-07; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AE415A0CE9; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F1435A0D65 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13972-06-2 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 140EF5A0B2C for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2007 19:00:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACOxrEXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACNQAEBAgcOBwUe Received: from 88-105-233-238.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.233.238]:10726 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H6tXj-0004OK-BL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:00:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:00:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 12 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David, as echoed by others, thanks for working on the RTF filter. However, I am having problems and I assume small attachments are not permitted here, so I'll have to try and explain, or failing that send you the test file. Ovation Pro version 2.77 (2-June-2006) RTF filter installed and active. Stick a bit of Lipsum text into OvPro, format it... Header is 24 point Trinity medium and centred. Rest of the text, 7 lines of Lipsum in default 12 point Trinity medium, left justified and single line spaces. Bottom of the page has "Page 1" Then save as RTF. File type when saved is RTF. Drop onto the OVPro icon bar icon, unfortunately it opens as rather a mess. The page 1 is now at the top of the page. The title is still 24pt Trinity medium, and centred, but there's a lot of space between each character, so that the original "Some Sample Text" is now "S o m e S a m p l e T e x t" and the line spaceing has gone from single to double. The body text is till 12 point Trinity medium but has also become stretched out, and double spaced, and is no longer left justified, but has become centre justified. To be certain it was not some silly formatting in the original Lipsum... I created a title and a few lines of text from scratch, saved as RTF, but the end result was the same. Thoughts and suggestions welcome. Cheers Dave S PS1: Original very small test file available for scrutiny. PS2: RTF file output from Impression Publisher (Filetyped RTF) dropped on to OvPro, displays correctly. D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 19:20:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6tmC-2m4000-05-EdD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:20:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6tmC-2m4000-05-EdD; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:15:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6tmC-2m4000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:15:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6tm5-0001yu-Hq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:15:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5538E59DF44; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15636-05-4; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15F4C59C3E0; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 309025A1439 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15419-10 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out-b.mail.griffin.com (smtp-out-b.mail.griffin.com [85.189.39.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDB495A09D7 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from IYONIX.iyonix.timebus.co.uk (83.148.169.98.adsl.griffin.net.uk [83.148.169.98]) by smtp-out-b.mail.griffin.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED1A7A28E2 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:10:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] pixels/flecks on displayed page background (was Re: Layout sheet) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ewen Pring X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:11:37 GMT Message-ID: <533f3ba64e.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 13 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ewen_Pring@timebus.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> sent on 15 Jan Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, > Louie wrote: >> 2. I'm really stupid, but I keep crashing Ovation pro. It keeps coming up >> with "internal error type 5" or something like that. What am I doing >> wrong? > > Seriously though, I'm puzzled on this one. I'm sure it might be something > to do with the intermittent problems I've reported with OvPro in the past > (ie. odd lines of horizontal pixels appearing on the backdrop until you > momentarily disable lazy task swapping and then re-enable it). It seems to > be some kind of memory related problem but I'm not entirely sure what. I > agree though, it's quite irritating. That reminds me - I have this sort of flecking effect quite often, also on an Iyonix, and only in Ovation Pro. I assumed it was something to do with a little bit of the tops or bottoms of text which was previously in those positions, not being wiped off the screen. Sometimes it makes the typed text very hard to read, but re-drawing the window [by dragging the window size icon to make it small and large again] displays the document correctly again (for a while). I shall experiment with your Misc plugin next time it happens re lazy task swapping. -- Ewen Pring, St. Albans, Herts using Iyonix, RISC OS 5 http://www.timebus.co.uk/riscos/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 19:20:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6trO-29Fknw-01-EY1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:20:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6trO-29Fknw-01-EY1; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:20:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6trO-29Fknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:20:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6trD-0007lZ-FB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:20:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 760CF5A01AD; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16758-05-2; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0532A5A1553; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:14:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC8D25A1208 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16636-08 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 528245A0FEC for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-35-250.as15444.net [82.163.35.250]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0GJFDOi004352 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:15:14 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:14:51 GMT Message-ID: <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.095, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 14 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 16 Jan 2007 Dave Symes wrote: > David, as echoed by others, thanks for working on the RTF filter. > > However, I am having problems and I assume small attachments are not > permitted here, so I'll have to try and explain, or failing that send you > the test file. > > Ovation Pro version 2.77 (2-June-2006) > > RTF filter installed and active. > > Stick a bit of Lipsum text into OvPro, format it... > Header is 24 point Trinity medium and centred. > > Rest of the text, 7 lines of Lipsum in default 12 point Trinity medium, > left justified and single line spaces. > Bottom of the page has "Page 1" > > Then save as RTF. There's your problem, I think. If you're using MakeRTF this was never finished, and doesn't do a lot of things correctly. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 20:10:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6uVs-0c7Vbs-07-DtX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:10:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6uVs-0c7Vbs-07-DtX; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:02:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6uVs-0c7Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:02:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6uVn-0004pS-MQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:02:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E25159EC77; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28750-04-4; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1928E5A1E8C; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C54315A1ED3 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28548-08 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01DEE5A1E12 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2007 19:52:09 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAI69rEXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACNQAEBAgcOBwUe Received: from 88-105-233-238.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.233.238]:11053 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H6uHq-0003KO-07 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:48:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 15 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 16 Jan 2007 Dave Symes wrote: > > David, as echoed by others, thanks for working on the RTF filter. > > However, I am having problems and I assume small attachments are not > > permitted here, so I'll have to try and explain, or failing that send > > you the test file. > > > > Ovation Pro version 2.77 (2-June-2006) > > > > RTF filter installed and active. > > > > Stick a bit of Lipsum text into OvPro, format it... > > Header is 24 point Trinity medium and centred. > > > > Rest of the text, 7 lines of Lipsum in default 12 point Trinity medium, > > left justified and single line spaces. > > Bottom of the page has "Page 1" > > > > Then save as RTF. > There's your problem, I think. If you're using MakeRTF this was never > finished, and doesn't do a lot of things correctly. > With best wishes, > Peter. Well Peter that is an interesting idea. So what you are saying is. Mr P's TransRTF is only a loader not a loader/saver? If that is so... Then many rude words are required, accompanied by a deep descent into Grumpiness. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 20:30:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6utD-2jBVbs-07-DWC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:30:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6utD-2jBVbs-07-DWC; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:26:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6utD-2jBVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:26:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6ut5-0001uC-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:26:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23FEB5A1C61; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01323-02; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EE645A1BB8; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5A2F59CF58 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01142-03-10 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A985A5A1AF1 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3101.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 526B12C00090 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:21:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-514dae42.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.174.66]) by mwinf3101.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 16CE82C0008F for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:21:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070116202110940.16CE82C0008F@mwinf3101.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:20:16 GMT Message-ID: <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 16 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> Louie wrote: > In article <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > [Snip] > >> EPS? How are you creating these EPS files from the PostScript output - >> what program(s) are you using? And why not just use the PostScript >> output created by !Printers? > > I am printing the files to postscript from !Printers. I then load them to > view them using ghostview. The last printer wanted only PDF which resulted > in the atrocious quality of printing, as they could not separate the plates > properly, or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within > the files. Also, because they were in PDF they were unable to edit the > files. One thing which may affect this is the resolution setting in Ghostscript when used to convert PostScript to PDF - it needs to be fairly high for a printer, whereas for screen work 90dpi is fine. If it was too low, you would get poor printing. As somebody else (David?) has replied, it might also be because you sent RGB data which they then had to convert back to CMYK. > > >> Are you providing individual separations >> for each page or a composite printout? > > No they do that. > > > -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 20:30:48 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6uwx-3oTVbs-02-DSS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:30:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6uwx-3oTVbs-02-DSS; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:30:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6uwx-3oTVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:30:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6uwt-0001Ep-Cr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:30:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15EDF5A20FB; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02296-05-7; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4B3B5A2127; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA01A5A2099 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02106-05 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A94D5A209C for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-35-250.as15444.net [82.163.35.250]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0GKQGZ9006242 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:26:17 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:26:27 GMT Message-ID: <1f1942a64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.095, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 17 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 16 Jan 2007 Dave Symes wrote: > In article <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 16 Jan 2007 Dave Symes wrote: > >> > David, as echoed by others, thanks for working on the RTF filter. >> > However, I am having problems and I assume small attachments are not >> > permitted here, so I'll have to try and explain, or failing that send >> > you the test file. >> > >> > Ovation Pro version 2.77 (2-June-2006) >> > >> > RTF filter installed and active. >> > >> > Stick a bit of Lipsum text into OvPro, format it... >> > Header is 24 point Trinity medium and centred. >> > >> > Rest of the text, 7 lines of Lipsum in default 12 point Trinity medium, >> > left justified and single line spaces. >> > Bottom of the page has "Page 1" >> > >> > Then save as RTF. > >> There's your problem, I think. If you're using MakeRTF this was never >> finished, and doesn't do a lot of things correctly. > >> With best wishes, > >> Peter. > > Well Peter that is an interesting idea. > So what you are saying is. Mr P's TransRTF is only a loader not a > loader/saver? As far as I know it's only a loader. To save as RTF you need MakeRTF, which never pretended to be a finished app, and whose author seems to have vanished. That is, unless anyone knows differently. > If that is so... Then many rude words are required, accompanied by a deep > descent into Grumpiness. So please de-grump yourself, good Sir! :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 20:40:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6v5V-4axVbs-02-DJu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:40:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6v5V-4axVbs-02-DJu; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:39:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6v5V-4axVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:39:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6v5K-0004A5-8U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:39:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 580C75A05EE; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04272-02-4; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 142815A231E; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 158035A0996 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04166-02 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FF7A5A22B0 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6v0q-0009fs-Lq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:34:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:36:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 18 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: [Snip] > One thing which may affect this is the resolution setting in > Ghostscript when used to convert PostScript to PDF - it needs to be > fairly high for a printer, whereas for screen work 90dpi is fine. If > it was too low, you would get poor printing. Here is another question then; how do I set the resolution of the postscript? and does EPS actually have a resolution? [Snip] From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 20:40:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6v6K-3vIVbs-07-DJ5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:40:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6v6K-3vIVbs-07-DJ5; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:40:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6v6K-3vIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:40:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6v6I-0001m4-Dg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:40:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01CF95A1945; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04675-05; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA42D5A0844; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:36:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D51275A1945 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04595-01 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F27D5A09ED for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6v0q-0009fs-LF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:34:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea642d8e8louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0A5xWiH3ARrFFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <0A5xWiH3ARrFFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 19 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <0A5xWiH3ARrFFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie > writes > >In article <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > > Gavin Crawford wrote: > >> Are you providing individual separations > >> for each page or a composite printout? > >No they do that. > It is not clear to me from the above if you are using OP to generate > separations or if you're sending composite printouts to the printer. I am sending a composite printout. > If you are sending composite printouts then all bets are off, because > the RISC OS printer driver system is RGB based any CMYK data will be > scrambled. I think we found the problem. So do you suggest I explain this to them and ask to send them to separation files? > There is one exception CMYK bitmaps will appear in the composite > PostScript in CMYK form. > OP on Windows can put all CMYK information in the output PostScript. bagh! > Possibly when Martin Wuerthner produces his new RISC OS PS driver things > will improve. Yes this will be interesting. > In the meantime, as I said a few months back, producing PostScript on > RISC OS is a mine field and it is pity that it is not documented > anywhere, and so people have to keep repeating the mistakes. So it would seem, I will let you all know what the outcome was. Thank you all for your help. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 20:50:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vFz-0t4GPo-03-D9Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:50:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vFz-0t4GPo-03-D9Q; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:50:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vFz-0t4GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:50:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vFp-0000UL-Mq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:50:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E55ED5A1883; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07952-01-5; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62CAE5A18A5; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6F2159F934 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07634-04-9 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBA375A087D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0GKmp1S006780 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:48:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:46:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea643f385lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 20 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie wrote: > Here is another question then; how do I set the resolution of the > postscript? and does EPS actually have a resolution? You could have called downstairs and asked.... ;-) I /think/ you set it by loading !GView, which is Martin's front-end to Ghostscript and going to choices, then clicking on the dpi setting half way down on the left, then adjusting the value to suit. Either that, or I'm looking in the wrong place! -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) 51 things to do in a lift.... 28. Burp, and then say "mmmm...tasty!" From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:00:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vNO-1FoGPo-01-D21.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:00:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vNO-1FoGPo-01-D21; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:57:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vNO-1FoGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:57:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vNI-0007N8-Ty for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC0B5A17B3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10055-07; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65CED59E026; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:55:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F3735A05A2 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09836-05 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80C7359E026 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H6vM9-0007gt-KQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:56:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:54:49 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 21 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 16 Jan, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, > Louie wrote: >=20 > > 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures i= n > > frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this = so > > that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole > > magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to b= e > > 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' >=20 > Sounds like your pictures are too big. Why not re-scale them to produce > optimised images at more appropriate resolutions. You could use > referenced pictures, but you should still use pictures at the correct > resolutions otherwise the PostScript output will be much larger than it > needs to be and you could be causing further problems down the line, > either with the possibility of PostScript errors on the RIP or just a > reduction in image quality. What is too big? I regularly print almost full page pictures that I wish to be of the highest definition that the printer can handle. My printer will do 600 dots per inch and each dot in full colour. So for an image that is 7 inches wide by 11 high this sounds like 27,000,000 dots for the page. This 27 Mdots sounds like a very much larger number to give a high definition image for the full page. Can someone complete the sums? Anyhow this says to me that, on the contrary, we never go big enough in our file sizes to get really high definition printing. Obviously if PDF or similar can reduce the file size while maintaining definition, we are not talking of quite such humungeous files sizes. But OPro does not hold pictures internally in PDF format: certainly in Sprite format and what else? It still sounds like OPro needs some seriously large files milling around for high definition printing. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:10:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vRg-1LRGPo-04-Cxj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:10:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vRg-1LRGPo-04-Cxj; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:02:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vRg-1LRGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:02:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vRY-0007El-Tt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:02:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 824AE5A1DF3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11265-03-2; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E5545A1E82; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8275A19F6 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11126-01 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3CD05A1A7D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D5BE43400091 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:01:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-514dae42.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.174.66]) by mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 38FCE3400087 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:01:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070116210117233.38FCE3400087@mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:00:22 GMT Message-ID: <323445a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 22 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> Louie wrote: > In article <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > > [Snip] > >> One thing which may affect this is the resolution setting in >> Ghostscript when used to convert PostScript to PDF - it needs to be >> fairly high for a printer, whereas for screen work 90dpi is fine. If >> it was too low, you would get poor printing. > > Here is another question then; how do I set the resolution of the > postscript? and does EPS actually have a resolution? I don't believe PostScript per se has a resolution. Embedded bitmaps will each have a resolution. PDF has one resolution (unless I've missed something blindingly obvious - it has been known...) and converting PostScript to PDF rrequires the target resolution to be set. I use ps2pdf (a Ghostscript frontend) to do this job, and it has a collection of settings for resolution and downsampling method. For a compromise between screen reading and printing on home printers, and sensible file size, I have them all set to 180dpi and Subsample. Colour, grey and mono are all set to Flate compression. I have no idea whether this optimal: all I can say is it works for me, and a lot of people it gets emailed to. Typically the magazine will be 5 to 10MB in Postscript, 500Kb in PDF thanks to the downsampling. I don't normally scale pictures down to the correct size, partly because I often change the scale after inserting them, and that would require recalculating and resizing them. ps2pdf does the job for me. The hard thing I had to sort out was fonts - now that I am exclusively using EFF professional fonts, that problem has gone away. Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:10:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vU7-28vGPo-02-CvI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:10:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vU7-28vGPo-02-CvI; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:04:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vU7-28vGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:04:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vU5-0002UW-Bg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:04:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 248085A0EA9; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12125-01-2; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17D65A1080; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:02:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D48BF59FF31 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11793-01-5 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from oola.is.scarlet.be (oola.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 156455A1530 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from (ip-81-11-161-9.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.161.9]) by oola.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id l0GL3eD10204 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:03:40 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:05:31 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.43) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: oola 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 23 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > [Snip] > > > EPS? How are you creating these EPS files from the PostScript output - > > what program(s) are you using? And why not just use the PostScript > > output created by !Printers? > > I am printing the files to postscript from !Printers. I then load them to > view them using ghostview. The last printer wanted only PDF which resulted > in the atrocious quality of printing, as they could not separate the plates > properly, ...because the contents is in RGB ? > or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within > the files. What do you mean with that ? > Also, because they were in PDF they were unable to edit the files. I'm sure there are more PDF editing tools than there are PS editing tools (supposing you do not mean to use text editors to edit the latter onces). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:30:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vkC-432000-08-CfD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:30:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vkC-432000-08-CfD; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:21:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vkC-432000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:21:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vk6-0005VT-3e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:21:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 822925A1F9E; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16691-07; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E45D5A20E2; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E0CD5A204C for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16527-02 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5BEF5A202F for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6vj2-0007oA-Bk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:20:12 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pixels/flecks on displayed page background (was Re: Layout sheet) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:20:08 GMT Message-ID: <7b0347a64e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> <533f3ba64e.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <533f3ba64e.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 24 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <533f3ba64e.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> Ewen Pring wrote: [snipped some] > That reminds me - I have this sort of flecking effect quite often, > also on an Iyonix, and only in Ovation Pro. I assumed it was something > to do with a little bit of the tops or bottoms of text which was > previously in those positions, not being wiped off the screen. > > Sometimes it makes the typed text very hard to read, but re-drawing > the window [by dragging the window size icon to make it small and > large again] displays the document correctly again (for a while). Indeed. Moving from Impression to OPro I noticed this straightaway - on RiscPC and now on Iyo. Never happened with Impression. It seems more prevalent with odd fonts and odd font-sizes (?). A very quick redraw is F12, . J. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:30:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vqB-0ON000-04-CZE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:30:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vqB-0ON000-04-CZE; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:27:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vqB-0ON000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:27:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vqA-0001gx-Iw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:27:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AF215A1EF0; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18209-04; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54E435A2177; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47AD25A204D for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17941-04-5 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5FE35A2076 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6vpO-000LiJ-26 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:26:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:26:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pixels/flecks on displayed page background (was Re: Layout sheet) Message-ID: <4ea6479e10mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7b0347a64e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5ccdad2lists-nospam@vigay.com> <533f3ba64e.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <7b0347a64e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 25 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <7b0347a64e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts wrote: > A very quick redraw is F12, . Even quicker is to program a key macro with: {viewrepaint(0,0)} From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:40:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vw6-16u000-01-CTJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:40:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vw6-16u000-01-CTJ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:33:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vw6-16u000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:33:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vw6-0003DG-2z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:33:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C59CD5A2203; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20093-06-3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 841DB5A224F; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:31:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E51C5A20E7 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19841-03 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B1295A2142 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6vvJ-000MB1-Er for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:32:53 +0000 Message-ID: <+GbT3KK$QUrFFwxj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:31:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 26 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Well Peter that is an interesting idea. >So what you are saying is. Mr P's TransRTF is only a loader not a >loader/saver? Yes it is a loader only. If you have an option to save RTF then you must have MakeRTF installed. As to the problems with the RTF - simple test is to try loading the RTF into something else. If it appears scrambled in something else then MakeRTF is at fault. If it appears OK then the new TransRTF is the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:40:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6vyd-1ZO000-03-CQm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:40:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6vyd-1ZO000-03-CQm; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:36:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6vyd-1ZO000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:36:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6vyd-0001OY-85 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:36:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BE2B5A2328; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20868-01; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 044405A22D7; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 244275A20E1 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20704-07 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E808A5A1E49 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6vxv-00013D-5K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:35:35 +0000 Message-ID: <2mQRPkKRTUrFFwS0@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:34:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <0A5xWiH3ARrFFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea642d8e8louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea642d8e8louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 27 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea642d8e8louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie writes >> If you are sending composite printouts then all bets are off, because >> the RISC OS printer driver system is RGB based any CMYK data will be >> scrambled. >I think we found the problem. So do you suggest I explain this to them and >ask to send them to separation files? Worth a go. Producing separations has its own tricks. I think times have changed when OP came out in 1997, supplying separated files was normal. Over the years there has been a move to composite. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 21:50:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6w73-1rx000-01-CIM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:50:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6w73-1rx000-01-CIM; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6w73-1rx000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6w6z-0007Tp-BW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:45:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D9A95A03D7; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22594-04; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3F035A019A; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84F095A22FA for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21966-05 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 524935A22C5 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6w3n-000KiS-K0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:41:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:40:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 28 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >I regularly print almost full page pictures that I wish to be of the >highest definition that the printer can handle. My printer will do 600 >dots per inch and each dot in full colour. So for an image that is 7 >inches wide by 11 high this sounds like 27,000,000 dots for the page. But the dots in your document have 256 levels of brightness whilst those on your printer are 2 levels (on/off, dot or not). You therefore have to trade off some of your spatial resolution (600 dpi) to generate some brightness resolution. This is done via dithering or half toning. In other words a 27MB image is too big. ISTR there was once an article in Acorn Publisher that explained screening etc. >Obviously if PDF or similar can reduce the file size while maintaining >definition, we are not talking of quite such humungeous files sizes. But >OPro does not hold pictures internally in PDF format: certainly in >Sprite format and what else? JPEG That would give you some serious compression. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 16 22:10:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6wV4-2YfGPo-06-BuL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:10:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6wV4-2YfGPo-06-BuL; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:09:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6wV4-2YfGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:09:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6wV2-0002GT-3j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:09:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 237025A23D9; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28806-06; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C75095A2208; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:07:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5DC35A231C for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28590-03-3 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E3045A223E for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2007 21:57:48 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALfarEXUSnInsmdsb2JhbACNQAEBAgcOBwcc Received: from 88-105-217-163.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.217.163]:10150 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H6wJO-000LUO-Hk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:57:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:55:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <+GbT3KK$QUrFFwxj@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> <+GbT3KK$QUrFFwxj@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 29 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <+GbT3KK$QUrFFwxj@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >Well Peter that is an interesting idea. > >So what you are saying is. Mr P's TransRTF is only a loader not a > >loader/saver? > Yes it is a loader only. > If you have an option to save RTF then you must have MakeRTF installed. > As to the problems with the RTF - simple test is to try loading the RTF > into something else. If it appears scrambled in something else then > MakeRTF is at fault. If it appears OK then the new TransRTF is the > problem. Righto! So probably MakeRTF (Yes I do have it) is making a mess, in that the page number is being put at the top, not at the bottom where it should be. But, while the RTF loaded into OvPro is a mess. The same file loaded into Imp Publisher loads correctly (Aside from the displaced page number). So it seems there's something about the RTF output that the Transloader doesn't like, but publisher doesn't notice. What it could be, I have no idea. Pasted below the contents of the short test doc, if you save out the bits between the ***** and filetype it RTF, see what happens. *************************** {\rtf1\ansi\deff0 {\fonttbl {\f0\froman\fcharset0\fprq Helvetica{\*\falt "Homerton.Medium"};} {\f1\froman\fcharset0\fprq Times{\*\falt "Trinity.Medium"};} } {\colortbl \red0\green0\blue0; \red255\green255\blue255; \red255\green255\blue255; \red255\green0\blue0; \red0\green255\blue0; \red0\green0\blue255; \red0\green255\blue255; \red255\green0\blue255; \red255\green255\blue0; \red0\green0\blue0; } {\stylesheet {\s0\b0\i0\cf0\cb2\fs24\ql\sb0\sa0\li0\ri0\fi0\scaps0\f1\additive Bodytext;} {\s1\cf5\additive Index;} {\s2\b0\i0\tqr\tx8277\f0\additive IndexHead;} {\s3\cf3\fs24\additive Contents1;} {\s4\cf7\additive Contents2;} {\s5\b0\i0\fs20\qj\tqr\tx8503\f0\additive ContentFins;} {\s6\cb8\additive Hilight;} } { {\s0\b0\i0\cf0\cb2\fs24\ql\sb0\sa0\li0\ri0\fi0\scaps0\f1 } {\s0\b0\i0\cf0\cb2\fs24\ql\sb0\sa0\li0\ri0\fi0\scaps0\f1 \qc \par Page \chpgn \par }{\s0\b0\i0\cf0\cb2\fs24\ql\sb0\sa0\li0\ri0\fi0\scaps0\f1 \fs48\qc Some Sample Text\par } {\s0\b0\i0\cf0\cb2\fs24\ql\sb0\sa0\li0\ri0\fi0\scaps0\f1 \qc \par Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. 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Nunc pulvinar nunc non enim. \par \par \par }}} *************************** -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6whl-4DY000-04-Bhe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6whl-4DY000-04-Bhe; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:22:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6whl-4DY000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:22:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6whk-0007B3-71 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:22:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6F165A1DE3; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32755-07-2; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90DC75A1F4F; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A42A15A1F19 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32669-05 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FEF45A1EE2 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6wgz-000LmA-71 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:21:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> <+GbT3KK$QUrFFwxj@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 30 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >What it could be, I have no idea. >Pasted below the contents of the short test doc, if you save out the bits >between the ***** and filetype it RTF, see what happens. Thanks for that. It goes horribly wrong. I'll look into what is wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6wmC-4Vn000-04-BdD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6wmC-4Vn000-04-BdD; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:27:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6wmC-4Vn000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:27:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6wmC-0004J0-6g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:27:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 148055A20AE; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01438-02; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A53E05A1F97; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A778B5A1F24 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01288-03 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71E475A08CD for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H6wlT-0001mS-O1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:26:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:25:38 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> <4ea62e3c91gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea62e3c91gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 31 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 16 Jan, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > However I have never found that OPro make a low resolution picture > > for screen display of a referenced picture; by the longish time to > > display each page, I am sure it is loading the raw image. I keep > > the images as Sprite files to speed up loading. >=20 > Use the Proxy setting to create low res version of the image in the > document. The full sized 'referenced' image will be used when the > document is being printed. Right! And thanks. I have now find why I had not found this out before. I had set Pictures to Auto-scale so whatever the Proxy settings it appeared much the same, though it _is_ different if you magnify things. My experiments then found that if the colour is reduced to 2bpp, and then you try to reload the image, still by Reference and at a higher colour depth, this message appears: Not enough memory. Another curious feature is that directly loading a TIFF file to a frame works well. But loading it by Reference gives this message: File not found. The reference window shows that the file is in the Scrap directory, not its actual directory. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6wpd-0coknw-02-BZm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6wpd-0coknw-02-BZm; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:31:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6wpd-0coknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:31:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6wpd-00070F-4m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:31:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F13205A1F77; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02787-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B50705A20F0; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A0135A20A7 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02597-02 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C726A5A202B for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070116223021.XDYB18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:30:21 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070116223021.TNAD219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:30:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:24:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 32 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In on Tue 16 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 16 Jan, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > > In article <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, > > Louie wrote: > > > > > 3. (This proves I'm stupid) I can't seem to be able to put pictures in > > > frames without taking loads of memory. So is there anyway to do this so > > > that it doesn't take loads of memory and so I can produce the whole > > > magazine in one document, rather than lots of chapters that have to be > > > 'stuck together and hope the page numbers are correct?' > > > > Sounds like your pictures are too big. Why not re-scale them to produce > > optimised images at more appropriate resolutions. You could use > > referenced pictures, but you should still use pictures at the correct > > resolutions otherwise the PostScript output will be much larger than it > > needs to be and you could be causing further problems down the line, > > either with the possibility of PostScript errors on the RIP or just a > > reduction in image quality. > > What is too big? > > I regularly print almost full page pictures that I wish to be of the > highest definition that the printer can handle. My printer will do 600 > dots per inch and each dot in full colour. So for an image that is 7 > inches wide by 11 high this sounds like 27,000,000 dots for the page. > But that is not the way commercial printers work. Bitmap images (sprites, jpegs etc) are half-toned and separated to a maximum half-tone screen near 150 lines per inch (lpi) if output to an imagesetter with 2540 dots per inch (dpi). This is because each half-tone dot has to be big enough to contain sufficient imagesetter dots to produce the range of shades required. If we assume we want 256 shades in each ink colour each half-tone dot must be 16x16 imagesetter dots - 150 lpi gives just over 16x16 (actually 16.9x16.9) imoagesetter dots when output at 2540 dpi. To output at 90lpi on my 600dpi laser I usually scan at around 150dpi for images to be used near same size. If I knew at scan time I was going to scale up x2 I would scan at 300dpi, and conversely if I knew it would be scaled down I would reduce the scan resolution proportionately. Finding the appropriate scan resolution may help Louie reduce file sizes as well. I'm sure Gavin Crawford's experience and understanding is better than mine and he could suggest appropriate scan resolutions. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:44 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6wub-0NHknw-04-BUo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6wub-0NHknw-04-BUo; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6wub-0NHknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6wuR-00012K-8k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCF565A22B5; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04072-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC6E65A219A; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:33:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDB1D5A2365 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03956-01 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from queue03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queue03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B942E5A233E for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070116223020.UMON9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:30:20 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070116223020.TNAA219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:30:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:27:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pixels/flecks on displayed page background (was Re: Layout sheet) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <7b0347a64e.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 33 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In on Tue 16 Jan, Jeremy Roberts wrote: > In message <533f3ba64e.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> > Ewen Pring wrote: > > [snipped some] > > > That reminds me - I have this sort of flecking effect quite often, > > also on an Iyonix, and only in Ovation Pro. I assumed it was something > > to do with a little bit of the tops or bottoms of text which was > > previously in those positions, not being wiped off the screen. > > > > Sometimes it makes the typed text very hard to read, but re-drawing > > the window [by dragging the window size icon to make it small and > > large again] displays the document correctly again (for a while). > > Indeed. Moving from Impression to OPro I noticed this straightaway - > on RiscPC and now on Iyo. Never happened with Impression. > > It seems more prevalent with odd fonts and odd font-sizes (?). > > A very quick redraw is F12, . Alternatively within OPro toggle display of invisible characters with Ctrl-I has the advantage of not changing the window focus or cursor position. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6wvv-0l4knw-01-BTU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6wvv-0l4knw-01-BTU; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6wvv-0l4knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6wvv-0006JL-3L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:37:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F00155A2143; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04621-05; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEBB55A21B9; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 631115A2143 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04376-02 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B0375A213F for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H6wvC-0001Wf-Qo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:36:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:35:37 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <89ec4da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 34 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 16 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > In message <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe=20 > writes > > > >But OPro does not hold pictures internally in PDF format: certainly > >in Sprite format and what else? >=20 > JPEG >=20 > That would give you some serious compression. Thanks for that. I normally avoid JPEGs, except for internet use, because of the loss of definition. Or is there a quality setting forJPEGs on DPlngScan that gives reasonable compression but lower loss of definition? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6xCR-1lJknw-01-BCy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6xCR-1lJknw-01-BCy; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:54:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6xCR-1lJknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:54:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6xCR-0001JZ-2K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:54:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA67C5A1A8C; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09771-01; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF6A95A112C; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 536AE5A172C for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09558-03-10 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 383745A1990 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070116225354.VBQY1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070116225354.FWNW17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:53:54 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:45:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 35 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In on Tue 16 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >What it could be, I have no idea. > >Pasted below the contents of the short test doc, if you save out the bits > >between the ***** and filetype it RTF, see what happens. > > Thanks for that. It goes horribly wrong. I'll look into what is wrong. > Part of "horribly wrong" is that Opro 2.74 on RISC OS 4.39 (Adjust 1i2) crashes with an "internal error type=2" if I press Ctrl-Shift-E to edit styles (as Opro is drawing the Styles dialogue box). Hope this is a clue. I just thought - lazily I copied the new !TransRTF (clib version) over the old one, and then copied the StubsG version over that. So I deleted that mangled version and re-downloaded the StubsG version to see what happens. Even after a reboot following the re-download I still get the same effect. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6xHs-2Kaknw-02-B7X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6xHs-2Kaknw-02-B7X; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:00:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6xHs-2Kaknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:00:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6xHs-0005dx-1I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:00:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBCB45A1B94; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11048-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D75C5A1B28; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:58:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C895F5A1B94 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10910-01-4 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 262085A1B27 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070116225931.YJLE18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:59:31 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070116225931.ITKZ26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:59:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:59:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 36 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In on Tue 16 Jan, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 16 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > In message <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > > writes > > >What it could be, I have no idea. > > >Pasted below the contents of the short test doc, if you save out the > > >bits between the ***** and filetype it RTF, see what happens. > > > > Thanks for that. It goes horribly wrong. I'll look into what is wrong. > > > > Part of "horribly wrong" is that Opro 2.74 on RISC OS 4.39 (Adjust 1i2) > crashes with an "internal error type=2" if I press Ctrl-Shift-E to edit > styles (as Opro is drawing the Styles dialogue box). Hope this is a clue. > > I just thought - lazily I copied the new !TransRTF (clib version) over the > old one, and then copied the StubsG version over that. So I deleted that > mangled version and re-downloaded the StubsG version to see what happens. > > Even after a reboot following the re-download I still get the same effect. > PS. I loaded Dave Symes example RTF into Easiwriter without problem, and a couple of others I have around load into EW fine but display the same letter spacing problem in Opro, and cause the type=2 crash when opening the Styles dialogue box. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6xJj-1HaVbs-08-B5g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6xJj-1HaVbs-08-B5g; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:02:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6xJj-1HaVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:02:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6xJi-0005m6-Uy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:02:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C06A65A1AED; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11530-03; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7295E5A1C65; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE0785A1C6E for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11314-06 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913345A1C8E for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3102.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0D9F72400087 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:01:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-514dae42.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.174.66]) by mwinf3102.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CB5FE2400085 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:01:25 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070116230125833.CB5FE2400085@mwinf3102.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:01:03 GMT Message-ID: References: <4ea63a33f5dfs@ukgateway.net> <238b3ba64e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea63ebec3dfs@ukgateway.net> <+GbT3KK$QUrFFwxj@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 37 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea64a36b8dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > > The same file loaded into Imp Publisher loads correctly (Aside from the > displaced page number). > > So it seems there's something about the RTF output that the Transloader > doesn't like, but publisher doesn't notice. > > What it could be, I have no idea. > Pasted below the contents of the short test doc, if you save out the bits > between the ***** and filetype it RTF, see what happens. Just tried it here. OPro 2.75,TransRTF 1.83 and EasiWriter 7.11 display identical results EXCEPT that OPro has no page number. (It displays Page ) Easiwriter displays Page 0 Dunno whether this is useful. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:43:47 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H6xj4-3sCknw-02-AgL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:43:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H6xj4-3sCknw-02-AgL; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:28:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H6xj4-3sCknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:28:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H6xiz-0007cn-Ib for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:28:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E148C5A22F8; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17777-10; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0F115A22E8; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A29CF5A2204 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17697-01 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C65085A2202 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H6xhc-00002U-Bt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:26:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:12:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea6514bd7john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <89ec4da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <89ec4da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 38 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 16 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 16 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > In message <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe > > writes > > > > > >But OPro does not hold pictures internally in PDF format: certainly > > >in Sprite format and what else? > > > > JPEG > > > > That would give you some serious compression. > Thanks for that. I normally avoid JPEGs, except for internet use, > because of the loss of definition. Or is there a quality setting > forJPEGs on DPlngScan that gives reasonable compression but lower loss > of definition? In choices. Choose what you want. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:44:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H76vM-0QBknw-01-A0Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:44:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H76vM-0QBknw-01-A0Z; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:17:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H76vM-0QBknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:17:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H76vJ-000469-HL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:17:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6B6C5A1457; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05609-01-6; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6ADA25A1210; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:15:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 186A75A14E3 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05371-06 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7EBA5A1457 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H76ua-0000PG-HR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:16:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea68835f3gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> <4ea62e3c91gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 39 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 16 Jan, Gavin Crawford wrote: [Snip] > > Use the Proxy setting to create low res version of the image in the > > document. The full sized 'referenced' image will be used when the > > document is being printed. > Right! And thanks. I have now find why I had not found this out > before. I had set Pictures to Auto-scale so whatever the Proxy settings > it appeared much the same, though it _is_ different if you magnify > things. > My experiments then found that if the colour is reduced to 2bpp, and > then you try to reload the image, still by Reference and at a higher > colour depth, this message appears: > Not enough memory. Perhaps, first deleting the old picture from the frame, and re-dragging in the picture to the empty frame will sort this. > Another curious feature is that directly loading a TIFF file to a frame > works well. But loading it by Reference gives this message: > File not found. > The reference window shows that the file is in the Scrap directory, not > its actual directory. It's because OPro doesn't handle TIFFs natively, they are converted to sprites, (TransTIFF comes to mind), so there is no real advantage to using TIFFs within OPro - certainly not if you have converted them to TIFF from a sprite yourself, as OPro is just going to convert them back to sprite. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:44:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H77Ei-1nmknw-07-9hD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:44:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H77Ei-1nmknw-07-9hD; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:37:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H77Ei-1nmknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:37:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H77Eh-00057F-A3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:37:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45BA25A2801; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10312-03; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5FD95A2D44; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:35:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96A055A14F7 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10047-05 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 662D15A1E6D for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 04:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H77Dy-00023l-A2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:36:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:34:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea68a4111gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 40 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Tue 16 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [snip] > > What is too big? > > > > I regularly print almost full page pictures that I wish to be of the > > highest definition that the printer can handle. My printer will do > > 600 dots per inch and each dot in full colour. So for an image that > > is 7 inches wide by 11 high this sounds like 27,000,000 dots for the > > page. [Snip] Anthony has given a good explanation as to why there is no point in sending 600dpi photos to a 600dpi printer. Most of the image data will be discarded. A good test is to actually try a range of different resolutions and look to see if you can see any noticeable difference in the printed results. > Finding the appropriate scan resolution may help Louie reduce file > sizes as well. I'm sure Gavin Crawford's experience and understanding > is better than mine and he could suggest appropriate scan resolutions. This has all been discussed here before and I'd suggest looking through the list archives. I did post some stuff last summer about the general guidelines regarding image resolution for commercial printing, and a useful method of producing the final required resolution of an image before printing your OPro document. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:44:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H77ki-1HXknw-06-9BD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:44:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H77ki-1HXknw-06-9BD; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:10:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H77ki-1HXknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:10:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H77kh-0005g0-Lr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:10:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FCED5A2DAC; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20793-01-6; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D19165A2DAD; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:08:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 291BA5A2C5B for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20415-01-7 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6287C5A2B94 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H77jj-0003Iw-Rd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:09:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:06:13 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea68a4111gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea68a4111gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 41 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 17 Jan, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , > Anthony Hilton wrote: > > In on Tue 16 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >=20 > [snip] >=20 > > > What is too big? > > >=20 > > > I regularly print almost full page pictures that I wish to be of > > > the highest definition that the printer can handle. My printer > > > will do 600 dots per inch and each dot in full colour. So for an > > > image that is 7 inches wide by 11 high this sounds like 27,000,000 > > > dots for the page. >=20 >=20 > [Snip] > Anthony has given a good explanation as to why there is no point in > sending 600dpi photos to a 600dpi printer. Most of the image data will > be discarded. But if the printer will give full colour resolution on each dot? (As the HP 2550L is claimed to do.) I agree that most printers require several dots (four?) to give the different colours so cannot do better than 150 pixels per inch. > A good test is to actually try a range of different resolutions and > look to see if you can see any noticeable difference in the printed > results. Certainly the clarity of the HP2550L is most striking but I have not explicitly tried sending different resolutions to it. A task for when the tax season is over, as panic is slowly setting in on this: a mere 13 days to go. =20 > > Finding the appropriate scan resolution may help Louie reduce file > > sizes as well. I'm sure Gavin Crawford's experience and > > understanding is better than mine and he could suggest appropriate > > scan resolutions. >=20 > This has all been discussed here before and I'd suggest looking > through the list archives. I did post some stuff last summer about the > general guidelines regarding image resolution for commercial printing, > and a useful method of producing the final required resolution of an > image before printing your OPro document.=20 I'm not doing commercial printing thank goodness - it sounds far too complicated for me anyway. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:44:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H77m8-0SFVbs-04-99n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:44:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H77m8-0SFVbs-04-99n; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:12:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H77m8-0SFVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:12:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H77m4-0003C0-In for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:12:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 997C459D1FD; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21382-01-9; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD36559D817; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C11785A2DCC for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21060-01-2 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE3175A2CC8 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.253] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1H77lF30LL-0000SE; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:11:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:12:44 +0100 Message-ID: <17bf8da64e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea643f385lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea643f385lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 42 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea643f385lists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4ea642fefelouie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, > Louie wrote: >> Here is another question then; how do I set the resolution of the >> postscript? and does EPS actually have a resolution? > > You could have called downstairs and asked.... ;-) And got the same wrong answer as below. ;-) > I /think/ you set it by loading !GView, which is Martin's front-end to > Ghostscript and going to choices, then clicking on the dpi setting half way > down on the left, then adjusting the value to suit. Er, no, that is just the dpi value used to rasterize the file for screen output. > Either that, or I'm looking in the wrong place! Definitely yes. Per se, PostScript, EPS and PDF do not have a resolution. Of course, each of these formats can contain embedded bitmaps and of course each of these does have a resolution. When you print using the RISC OS PostScript printer driver bitmaps are embedded at their full resolution as found in your source document, which effectively means that your resulting PS file contains bitmaps at all sorts of different resolutions, possibly higher than necessary. For full colour printing 300dpi is enough for colour images. When you convert to PDF, the PDF converter may optionally reduce the resolutions of embedded bitmaps - this is called "downsampling". It may (and often will, when sticking to the default options) also apply JPEG compression to colour bitmaps, which I think is an utterly awful idea because all images that can tolerate JPEG compression should be JPEGs in the source document already, so this option will not have any effect on them anyway, and all the remaining bitmaps (most notably things like screenshots) should never be JPEG compressed. If you use Ghostscript to convert to PDF then have a look at the !ps2pdf front-end, which offers detailed control over downsampling and compression - most may think too much because the options look a bit complicated. But the point is that you either understand how it works or you are subject to default choices made for you, which may or may not be appropriate. Compression type "DCT" means lossy JPEG compression by the way. "Flate" compresses very well and is lossless, so I recommend using that for colour images. A non-optimal but fairly safe route is to disable all Downsampling buttons (then all bitmaps are left at their original resolutions) and enable "Flate" compression for all image types (with "Auto" off). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 11:44:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H77rf-2R2knw-05-94G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:44:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H77rf-2R2knw-05-94G; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:17:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H77rf-2R2knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:17:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H77re-0007Cy-Om for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:17:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 748355A07D8; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23134-02; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 356675A0535; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA3635A0842 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22916-09-3 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AC8D5A07D8 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 05:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.253] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1H77qu0PXY-0003AC; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:17:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:18:31 +0100 Message-ID: <98468ea64e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 43 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> Louie wrote: > In article <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > [Snip] > >> EPS? How are you creating these EPS files from the PostScript output - >> what program(s) are you using? And why not just use the PostScript >> output created by !Printers? > > I am printing the files to postscript from !Printers. I then load them to > view them using ghostview. The last printer wanted only PDF which resulted > in the atrocious quality of printing, as they could not separate the plates > properly "Atrocious print quality" has nothing to do with PDF as opposed to any other format. Unless of course you make a mess when converting to PDF. You really need to know which options to use to retain print quality. The default options when converting to PDF often lead to a significant quality loss. > or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within > the files. Internal layering? That does not really mean anything. But maybe what they mean is that images are split into countless smaller objects that are overlaid. That is the result of you using images with 256 colours or less, which you should avoid at all cost when using the RISC OS PostScript driver. In fact that is one of the main things the proposed PostScript 3 driver will address. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 12:13:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H79Wx-4U3000-01-FvU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:13:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H79Wx-4U3000-01-FvU; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:04:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H79Wx-4U3000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:04:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H79Wv-0000r6-LO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:04:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B32C5A2A73; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19732-06; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B888C5A2AE6; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:02:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1C6C5A29FA for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19550-06-9 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26D485A274E for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H79Uw-000FSY-DY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:02:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:01:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea5cbe628steyan@onetel.com> <4ea62e3c91gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 44 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >Another curious feature is that directly loading a TIFF file to a frame >works well. But loading it by Reference gives this message: > File not found. I think this is documented somewhere. The transloader system is not suitable for converting files in the middle of a screen redraw. So you can't reference file types that have to be translated when loaded. On Windows the situation is different and you can reference TIFFs and so on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 12:13:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H79Yw-00Xknw-01-FtV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:13:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H79Yw-00Xknw-01-FtV; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:06:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H79Yw-00Xknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:06:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H79Yv-0007HE-Tz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:06:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABD135A2B61; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20224-02; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75D9C5A2B59; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:04:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45EC05A2AC7 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20057-02 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74E885A2A6C for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 07:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H79YC-000KMb-0g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:05:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:04:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea68a4111gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 45 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >But if the printer will give full colour resolution on each dot? (As >the HP 2550L is claimed to do.) In that case you pick the same image resolution as printer resolution. Where does it say that the HP 2550L has *256* brightness levels per dot? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 14:53:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7C1J-2SF000-01-DR8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:53:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7C1J-2SF000-01-DR8; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:44:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7C1J-2SF000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:44:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7C1J-0003Ge-1N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:44:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96DAC5A1629; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02219-03-4; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B33DF5A170B; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18B895A031F for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01963-03-11 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 634085A028E for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H7C0Z-0006la-8d for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:43:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:41:12 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <8153a6a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea68a4111gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 46 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 17 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > In message <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe=20 > writes > >But if the printer will give full colour resolution on each dot? (As > >the HP 2550L is claimed to do.) >=20 > In that case you pick the same image resolution as printer resolution. >=20 > Where does it say that the HP 2550L has *256* brightness levels per dot= ? Two section in the manual (on disc): 1. In the Introduction ------------------- Excellent print quality: =20 (a) ImageREt 2400 provides 2400 dpi color and laser-class quality through a multilevel printing process. =20 (b) True 600 by 600 dots per inch (dpi) text and graphics. 2. In the Color (sic) chapter: -------------------------- Image REt 2400 provides 2400 dots-per-inch (dpi) color laser-class quality through a multi- level printing process. This process precisel= y controls color by combining up to four colors within a single dot and = by varying the amount of toner in a given area. ImageREt 2400 has been improved for this printer. The improvements offer trapping technologie= s, greater control over dot placement, and more precise control of toner quality in a dot. These new technologies, coupled with HP's multilevel printing process, result in a 600-by-600 dpi printer that provides 2400-dpi color laser-class quality with millions of smooth colors. In contrast, the single-level printing process found in the default mode = of other color laser printers does not allow the colors to be mixed withi= n a single dot. This process, called dithering, significantly hinders th= e ability to create a wide range of colors without reduced sharpness or visible dot structure.=20 What do you think this means? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 15:03:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7CJu-0cP000-05-D8X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:03:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7CJu-0cP000-05-D8X; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:03:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7CJu-0cP000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:03:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7CJq-0002qz-Vw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:03:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BCF15A32FC; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07937-02-6; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E7CC5A3322; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:01:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7A7E5A3299 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07691-02 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F64F5A2FFB for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-176.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.176] helo=standalone.denyswells.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H7CJ7-000Kuz-7e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:02:33 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Denys Wells X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:02:51 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 47 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: denyswells@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4mySvwAf42qFFwaT@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <45AA882F.1000007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>The only icon I can get is a black "?" on a white "sheet of paper". >>That's not the RTF icon as I recall it. Where do the icon sprites live? > > (I now find) Beebug and myself have never supplied an icon for the RTF > file type. I guess we thought this was a system wide type and we should > not get involved. > > That is true on the Iyonix, where a file type icon does appear. > > If you have David Breakwell's MakeRTF (filter that allows RTF to be > saved out from Ovation Pro) then that has an icon for RTF. > > You could put an icon in the !Sprites file inside !TransRTF. Although > this does create the potential problem of different applications > redefining the icon. > > > I've just uploaded a GStubs version of the filter: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > point being that can be used without any change to C libraries. > > > Finally I guess on Virtual Acorn etc. you can use the old Beebug RTF > filter - so you have a choice. > Thanks for this GStubs version, David, it's solved the CLib problem on my VRPC, where CLib 4.98 is the latest 32bit version (no problems with this elsewhere), once the filetype is set as &C32. Many RTF files I get are tables: when they are dropped on the OPro icon the text is rendered OK, but with no cell or line separators. The RTF file uses " \cell " [without the "] as the separator. Can !TransRTF be made to replace " \cell " with " , " rather than with nothing (not even a space is inserted after each cell) so at least the results could be saved as CSV ? -- Denys Wells From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 21:04:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7HoC-2VEGPo-08-GAl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:04:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7HoC-2VEGPo-08-GAl; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:55:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7HoC-2VEGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:55:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Ho6-0005YK-5A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:55:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09CC35A4AAA; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02290-01; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C68AC5A3021; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C6A95A4AAA for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02046-05-2 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C02F65A2E16 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070117205348.JDZH9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:53:48 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070117205348.YVSG17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:53:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:46:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <8153a6a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 48 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In on Wed 17 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 17 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > > In message <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe > > writes > > >But if the printer will give full colour resolution on each dot? (As > > >the HP 2550L is claimed to do.) > > > > In that case you pick the same image resolution as printer resolution. > > > > Where does it say that the HP 2550L has *256* brightness levels per dot? > > Two section in the manual (on disc): > > 1. In the Introduction > ------------------- > Excellent print quality: > > (a) ImageREt 2400 provides 2400 dpi color and laser-class quality > through a multilevel printing process. > > (b) True 600 by 600 dots per inch (dpi) text and graphics. > > > 2. In the Color (sic) chapter: > -------------------------- > > Image REt 2400 provides 2400 dots-per-inch (dpi) color laser-class > quality through a multi- level printing process. This process precisely > controls color by combining up to four colors within a single dot and by > varying the amount of toner in a given area. ImageREt 2400 has been > improved for this printer. The improvements offer trapping technologies, > greater control over dot placement, and more precise control of toner > quality in a dot. These new technologies, coupled with HP's multilevel > printing process, result in a 600-by-600 dpi printer that provides > 2400-dpi color laser-class quality with millions of smooth colors. In > contrast, the single-level printing process found in the default mode of > other color laser printers does not allow the colors to be mixed within > a single dot. This process, called dithering, significantly hinders the > ability to create a wide range of colors without reduced sharpness or > visible dot structure. > > What do you think this means? > Looks to me like a mis-use of simple maths (by HP) to imply more that is really delivered. Colour printing is typically a mix of four separate coloured inks or toner - Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and blacK (often referred to as CMYK). The implication of the "true 600 by 600 dots per inch" above is that physically the printer is capable of 600 by 600 dpi. So what are they saying with the Image REt at 2400 by 2400 dots per inch? "We have four overlapping 600 dpi grids so we must have 2400 dpi." It seems to me that putting four separate inks on at 600 dpi and claiming 2400 dpi is misleading. OK there are 2400 dots per inch, but even if they are offset from each other there are really only 600 addressable dots per inch (600 coordinates in each dimension). The printer is not capable of printing a dot which is 1/2400 inch in diameter, it can never do other than 1/600 inch per dot. In on Wed 17 Jan, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I agree that most printers require several dots (four?) to give the > different colours so cannot do better than 150 pixels per inch. This would allow four shades - white, 33%, 66% 100% colour per "pixel" - so to get the expected level of shading requires nearer to 16 bny 16 printer dots per "pixel". Your printer also requires 4 dots to be able to produce a range of 8 solid colours (White, Yellow, Magenta, Cyan, Red=Y+M, Blue=M+C, Green=Y+C, Black) and has to use groups of 600dpi dots to make shades of those colours. The software may use random or pseudo-random groupings of the dots to give the best visual effect. This was referred to a Stochastic screening and suggested as a way of improving offset-litho print quality in the 80s - did it ever take off for offset-litho printing or is it beyond the capabilities of Postscript and so was bypassed? Tha answer to David's question is that each dot at 600 dpi is either total toner of the colour or total nothing - the printer achieves shades by using more or fewer of the dots in an area. Printing direct from the computer the software handles this for you to the best capability of the printer. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 21:44:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7IVP-140GPo-07-FTY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:44:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7IVP-140GPo-07-FTY; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:39:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7IVP-140GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:39:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7IVO-0005ma-O3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:39:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 271195A5723; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15947-06-11; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7B6B5A56D3; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:37:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08C075A562F for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15774-04 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54B3F5A567D for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7IUf-000Fdk-1D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:38:53 +0000 Message-ID: <072BoRKLcprFFwiK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:37:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <8153a6a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 49 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Anthony Hilton=20 writes >Tha answer to David's question is that each dot at 600 dpi is either total >toner of the colour or total nothing - the printer achieves shades by using >more or fewer of the dots in an area. Printing direct from the computer the >software handles this for you to the best capability of the printer. HP Printers have "resolution enhancement technology" or RET. A quick=20 Google just now seems to suggest that it allows the printer to put down=20 half a dot by changing the laser power. This is from a HP web site: "Hewlett Packard created "resolution enhancement technology"=E2=80=94or=20 RET=E2=80=94to correct this. RET inserts smaller dots at the edges of lines= to=20 smooth the rough edges. RET does not improve the resolution but the=20 document looks better. " It all brings back the Computer Concepts Laser Direct, wasn't there some=20 story about that - how they managed to get 600dpi out of a 300dpi laser=20 engine? HP go on to say: "Full-color laser printers tend to be much more expensive than=20 black-and-white versions and require a great deal of printer memory to=20 produce high-resolution images. But oh, the color! HP LaserJet printers=20 can provide true 600 x 600 dpi output (the equivalent of 1200 dpi) with=20 HP ImageRet 2400, for crisp text, bold graphics and vivid pictures. " which is opaque. Given the technology in modern printers (e.g. error diffusion instead of=20 half toning) it is hard to give a fixed value for the resolution. Gavin=20 Crawford got it right - see if changing the resolution makes a visible=20 difference. One other point there's no point in scanning at a much higher resolution=20 than the original material. I remember when I got my first scientific calculator, I'd painstakingly=20 write down every calculation to 10 decimal places. I just couldn't bear=20 to throw away all that data. Eventually someone hurt my feelings by=20 pointing out that most of those digits were rubbish - if you can only=20 measure stuff to the nearest millimetre there's no point worrying about=20 nanometres. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 17 22:34:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7JJf-1Iu000-01-EfI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:34:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7JJf-1Iu000-01-EfI; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:31:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7JJf-1Iu000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:31:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7JJf-0000mF-7n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:31:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C99C95A5265; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29261-01; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B84F85A5251; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:29:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7131D5A526A for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28921-01 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.freeserve.com (smtp4.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4B2B5A03E9 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3303.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 62F8F1C00086 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:30:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-5441df14.lns3-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.223.20]) by mwinf3303.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0C0B41C00082 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:30:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20070117223048494.0C0B41C00082@mwinf3303.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:28:08 GMT Message-ID: <331abba64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <13b244a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4ea68a4111gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <8153a6a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8153a6a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 50 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8153a6a64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 17 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <68268da64e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe >> writes >> >But if the printer will give full colour resolution on each dot? (As >> >the HP 2550L is claimed to do.) >> >> In that case you pick the same image resolution as printer resolution. >> >> Where does it say that the HP 2550L has *256* brightness levels per dot? > > Two section in the manual (on disc): > > 1. In the Introduction > ------------------- > Excellent print quality: > > (a) ImageREt 2400 provides 2400 dpi color and laser-class quality > through a multilevel printing process. > > (b) True 600 by 600 dots per inch (dpi) text and graphics. > > > 2. In the Color (sic) chapter: > -------------------------- > > Image REt 2400 provides 2400 dots-per-inch (dpi) color laser-class > quality through a multi- level printing process. This process precisely > controls color by combining up to four colors within a single dot and by > varying the amount of toner in a given area. ImageREt 2400 has been > improved for this printer. The improvements offer trapping technologies, > greater control over dot placement, and more precise control of toner > quality in a dot. These new technologies, coupled with HP's multilevel > printing process, result in a 600-by-600 dpi printer that provides > 2400-dpi color laser-class quality with millions of smooth colors. In > contrast, the single-level printing process found in the default mode of > other color laser printers does not allow the colors to be mixed within > a single dot. This process, called dithering, significantly hinders the > ability to create a wide range of colors without reduced sharpness or > visible dot structure. > > What do you think this means? > I think the best it means is that you can print at 600dpi - the references to 2400 are linked to the (b) True 600 by 600 dots per inch (dpi) bit. I'm not even sure that you actually get 600 by 600 dots, each of which has 256 levels of each of the 4 colours - I suspect it is 16 levels of each colour, and the 2400 refers to some sort of interpolation process. > Image REt 2400 provides 2400 dots-per-inch (dpi) color laser-class > quality through a multi- level printing process. I think this bit means "equivalent to a 2400dpi colour laser", not 2400 dots of full colour. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7JNJ-1n9000-02-Ebe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7JNJ-1n9000-02-Ebe; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:35:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7JNJ-1n9000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:35:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7JNJ-00053o-3h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:35:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C21AE5A517C; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30282-05; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97BA85A5311; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ADC85A517C for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30143-02 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5B725A5291 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7JMb-0005Bh-69 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:34:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:34:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 51 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Denys Wells writes >Many RTF files I get are tables: when they are dropped on the OPro >icon the text is rendered OK, but with no cell or line separators. The >RTF file uses " \cell " [without the "] as the separator. Can I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip This supports the RTF cell and row commands by mapping them to tab and new line - crude but better than nothing. It also fixes the problem Dave Symes found with RTF from MakeRTF. That problem was caused by MakeRTF naming a style "BodyText". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7JnB-3BQ000-03-EBm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7JnB-3BQ000-03-EBm; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:02:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7JnB-3BQ000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:02:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7JnB-0005FN-94 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:02:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B8E75A58A7; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05953-01-3; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F25035A58EF; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AAAD5A56DF for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05740-04 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1EDD5A57F5 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070117230119.KZHL1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:01:19 +0000 Received: from panther ([81.106.115.69]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070117230119.QVYT219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@panther> for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:01:19 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: R J Wingate X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:01:08 GMT Message-ID: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: At home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 52 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: raywingate@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is read only error' and does not save! Ray -- This message was sent from: Ray Wingate, 01273 299086. e-mail to raywingate@ntlworld.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7K8B-3Or000-07-Dqm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7K8B-3Or000-07-Dqm; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:23:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7K8B-3Or000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:23:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7K82-0004QR-Tq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:23:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A3595A50A1; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11368-01; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0061D5A4416; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91E0F5A47F3 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11137-07-3 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B8325A4434 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=relay.plus.net) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1H7K76-0002BS-4h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:22:40 +0000 From: Arthur Taylor To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:22:40 +0000 User-Agent: TapirMail/1.04 (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bbF++ZdJk=_7u0h6WmIYJ--8u34Vr6WsF" Message-Id: <20070117232143.4B8325A4434@turing.freelists.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 53 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: arthur@ribbonwood.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support. You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or a separate MIME decoding utility. Alternatively, ask the sender of this message to resend it in a different format. --bbF++ZdJk=_7u0h6WmIYJ--8u34Vr6WsF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 you wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: > > > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is read > only error' and does not save! > > Ray No problem here downloading with Netsurf. -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset --bbF++ZdJk=_7u0h6WmIYJ--8u34Vr6WsF Content-Type: application/riscos; name="Selection"; type=Text Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Selection" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PG1haWx0bzpkYXZpZHBpbGxpbmdAZnJlZWxpc3RzLm9yZz4= --bbF++ZdJk=_7u0h6WmIYJ--8u34Vr6WsF Content-Type: application/riscos; name="Selection"; type=Text; load=&ffffff4e; exec=&a6d5ec88; access=&03 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Selection" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PG1haWx0bzpkYXZpZHBpbGxpbmdAZnJlZWxpc3RzLm9yZz4= --bbF++ZdJk=_7u0h6WmIYJ--8u34Vr6WsF Content-Type: application/riscos; name="Selection"; type=Text; load=&ffffff4e; exec=&a6d5ec88; access=&03 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Selection" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PG1haWx0bzpkYXZpZHBpbGxpbmdAZnJlZWxpc3RzLm9yZz4= --bbF++ZdJk=_7u0h6WmIYJ--8u34Vr6WsF-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7Qg2-0QgGPo-07-FpR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7Qg2-0QgGPo-07-FpR; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:23:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7Qg2-0QgGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:23:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Qg2-0001ud-Ev for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:23:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEB035A564C; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12951-05-5; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BA965A5646; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:21:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C44355A55CD for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12646-04-2 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82FF15A55E2 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2007 06:22:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOqbrkXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACNUgEBAgcOBwcc Received: from 88-105-225-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.225.117]:10019 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H7Qcx-0005fj-TE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:19:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 54 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Denys Wells > writes > >Many RTF files I get are tables: when they are dropped on the OPro > >icon the text is rendered OK, but with no cell or line separators. The > >RTF file uses " \cell " [without the "] as the separator. Can > I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > This supports the RTF cell and row commands by mapping them to tab and > new line - crude but better than nothing. > It also fixes the problem Dave Symes found with RTF from MakeRTF. That > problem was caused by MakeRTF naming a style "BodyText". It works... Excellent. Thanks for that David, appreciated. However, I'm still encountering the displaced page number. In my original document at the bottom of the page, in the RTF at the top of the page. Any thoughts on that one? It's worth pointing out that an RTF out of Imp Publisher (Original doc contained a page number) has no page no when dropped into OvPro, or even back into Publisher, so obviously when creating the RTF Publisher stripped the page no. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7SYK-1qp000-03-Dx9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7SYK-1qp000-03-Dx9; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7SYK-1qp000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7SYJ-0004Rm-C3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 809C85A56A8; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09578-02; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A78E5A56C0; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:21:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C691B5A4D86 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09344-04 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 676BD5A4CC8 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-45-2.as15444.net [82.163.45.2]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0I8MM9o003373 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:22:23 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:14:41 GMT Message-ID: <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.095, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 55 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 17 Jan 2007 R J Wingate wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: >> >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is read > only error' and does not save! I think that's because you're trying to save it to a place where another version of the same file has been saved to. HTH, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ho \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7TCg-4dH000-02-DIn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7TCg-4dH000-02-DIn; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:05:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7TCg-4dH000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:05:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7TCf-0006ey-Q9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:05:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F0935A52B3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19950-02; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B00915A494D; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 535725A4920 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19673-01-4 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB1355A47B2 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 04:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118090417.PZEY1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:04:17 +0000 Received: from panther ([81.106.115.69]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118090416.KYAS26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@panther> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:04:16 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: R J Wingate X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:03:43 GMT Message-ID: <6f430ba74e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: At home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 56 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: raywingate@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: >> Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is read >> only error' and does not save! > > I think that's because you're trying to save it to a place where > another version of the same file has been saved to. Thanks Peter, prob solved! -- This message was sent from: Ray Wingate, 01273 299086. e-mail to raywingate@ntlworld.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7UJ4-0KqGPo-08-CCP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7UJ4-0KqGPo-08-CCP; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7UJ4-0KqGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7UJ1-0006hu-QK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:15:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5C785A525B; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06864-01-2; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE32A5A5359; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:13:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 932E95A52EB for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06632-05-4 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 407395A52E6 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118101450.SRXB1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:14:50 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.12.171.49]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118101450.IKJJ17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:14:50 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:12:41 GMT Message-ID: References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 57 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 17 Jan 2007 R J Wingate wrote: > >> In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: >>> >>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >> >> Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is read >> only error' and does not save! > > I think that's because you're trying to save it to a place where > another version of the same file has been saved to. > It won't save at all here, even into an empty directory, but I get no error message, no indication of why there is a problem at all. Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7UTs-2X2Vbs-03-C1b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7UTs-2X2Vbs-03-C1b; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:26:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7UTs-2X2Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:26:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7UTr-00059A-Vx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:26:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 627725A5731; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09811-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 387655A56AE; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16ADA5A55F4 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09600-05 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D58D15A5503 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7UT9-000893-E6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:26:07 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7UT4-00011d-Q7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:26:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:25:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 58 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , wrote: > In message <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> > Dr Peter Young wrote: > > On 17 Jan 2007 R J Wingate wrote: > > > >> In message > >> David Pilling wrote: > >> > >>> I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: > >>> > >>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > >> > >> Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is > >> read only error' and does not save! > > > > I think that's because you're trying to save it to a place where > > another version of the same file has been saved to. > > It won't save at all here, even into an empty directory, but I get no > error message, no indication of why there is a problem at all. That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only by clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own choosing (I can't usually find where this is!). The trick is then to request the download again, and /this/ time you can successfully drag the file icon to the destination of your choice. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7Ukv-3XLVbs-07-BkY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7Ukv-3XLVbs-07-BkY; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:44:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7Ukv-3XLVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:44:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Uku-0005z6-8m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:44:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB28F5A54E6; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14652-01-3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04BB25A52B3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:42:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EB6D5A4C91 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14397-04 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B89C5A4BEF for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194A0E0004E7 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:43:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) From: Phillip Marsden To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:43:35 +0000 Message-Id: <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 59 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:25 +0000, John M Ward wrote: [snip] > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't > solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only by > clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own choosing > (I can't usually find where this is!). Strange, I thought that software "choosing" to do something different to what the user requires was supposed to be a Microsoft trait! :o) Oh well. Another illusion shattered. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. Bespoke acoustic guitars. Contact phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7Uwz-1HRVbs-06-BYU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7Uwz-1HRVbs-06-BYU; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:56:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7Uwz-1HRVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:56:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Uwz-0005Us-AF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:56:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B1C25A5839; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17841-01-6; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B29965A57F0; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F3EF5A5766 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17515-05 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D75975A56C6 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7UwG-0006rH-ES for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:56:12 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7UwF-0008E3-Pu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:56:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:55:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 60 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:25 +0000, John M Ward wrote: > [snip] > > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't > > solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only > > by clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own > > choosing (I can't usually find where this is!). > > Strange, I thought that software "choosing" to do something different > to what the user requires was supposed to be a Microsoft trait! :o) It just goes to show how poorly-ported Oregano was from its original platform which /did/ require it to behave in that way. It is a bug -- something of which you might have heard. > Oh well. Another illusion shattered. Only if you fail to understand the reason for this oddity. Meanwhile, let's hope that Ralph can now save the downloaded file where he wants. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7V8r-2EpGPo-02-BMc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7V8r-2EpGPo-02-BMc; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:09:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7V8r-2EpGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:09:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7V8r-0000ng-9X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:09:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B88885A5A93; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21855-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D5FC5A5A4F; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:07:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 599D05A599F for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21638-02 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEF1D5A5A06 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-45-2.as15444.net [82.163.45.2]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IB8CKG008101 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:08:13 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:34:59 GMT Message-ID: References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.095, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 61 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 18 Jan 2007 ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote: > In message <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> > Dr Peter Young wrote: > >> On 17 Jan 2007 R J Wingate wrote: >> >>> In message >>> David Pilling wrote: >>> >>>> I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: >>>> >>>> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip >>> >>> Attempt at download (Oregano 2 on Iyo) gives a 'Error....file is read >>> only error' and does not save! >> >> I think that's because you're trying to save it to a place where >> another version of the same file has been saved to. >> > > It won't save at all here, even into an empty directory, but I get no > error message, no indication of why there is a problem at all. Ah, yes, I get that sometimes too. The answer seems to be not to drag the save box but just to click "save", and it then saves in the root directory. A nuisance, but at least you can shift-drag it into the right place after it's saved. A "feature" of O2, I think. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:30 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7VAB-1oUGPo-04-BLI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7VAB-1oUGPo-04-BLI; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:10:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7VAB-1oUGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:10:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7VAB-0003fu-3b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:10:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B2975A5A9D; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22206-04; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DE915A5A7A; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E1AD5A5A87 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21977-02 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E2975A59C0 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118110949.KAB9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:09:49 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([82.31.186.136]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118110949.JLTW17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:09:49 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:09:04 +0100 Message-ID: <173f11a74e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 62 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: >> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:25 +0000, John M Ward wrote: >> [snip] >> > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't >> > solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only >> > by clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own >> > choosing (I can't usually find where this is!). On my Iyonix that has always been in the root directory. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7VVn-1B7000-04-Azg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7VVn-1B7000-04-Azg; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7VVn-1B7000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7VVm-00018Z-Ag for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 085B65A5B07; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28402-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D48FE5A5BC3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43EEC5A5B07 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28036-03 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C85C45A5B89 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IBVtmT008775 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:31:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea7189147lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 63 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , wrote: > It won't save at all here, even into an empty directory, but I get no > error message, no indication of why there is a problem at all. Saves ok here, using Oregano2. It gives a standard RISC OS save dialogue window so you can drag it to wherever you wish to save it. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) If you think you can - you can. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7VVo-1ki000-02-Azf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7VVo-1ki000-02-Azf; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7VVo-1ki000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7VVn-0006xx-Bw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C1AD5A5BEC; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28402-06; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E722F5A5BDF; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7EB45A5B8E for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28036-04 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A88C5A5B89 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IBVtmU008775 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:31:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:29:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea718a754lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 64 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org>, John M Ward wrote: > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't > solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only by > clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own choosing > (I can't usually find where this is!). Eh? I'm not sure what you mean there, but I've not had a problem with O2 not behaving as it should. Double-click on the link and O2 gives a save box which you simply drag where you want. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) No one is listening until you make a mistake. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7VVs-10u000-07-Azb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7VVs-10u000-07-Azb; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:33:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7VVs-10u000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:33:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7VVs-0001fw-NZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:33:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BFF95A5B6D; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28402-09; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D41435A5B8E; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 936B25A5B9C for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28106-01 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A33085A5BA4 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IBVtmV008775 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:32:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:30:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea718b1d5lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 65 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > Strange, I thought that software "choosing" to do something different to > what the user requires was supposed to be a Microsoft trait! :o) It is :-) and, no Oregano2 doesn't behave like that! -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 11:55:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7Vat-0vfGPo-06-Aua.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:55:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7Vat-0vfGPo-06-Aua; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:38:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7Vat-0vfGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:38:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Vas-0004Oz-No for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:38:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F5675A5BB8; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29444-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A1ED5A5BF1; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:36:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4E195A5B8D for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29192-02 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40C2C5A5AE6 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-45-2.as15444.net [82.163.45.2]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IBbF8j008997 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:37:16 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:37:08 GMT Message-ID: <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea7189147lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea7189147lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.095, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 66 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 18 Jan 2007 Paul Vigay wrote: > In article , > wrote: > >> It won't save at all here, even into an empty directory, but I get no >> error message, no indication of why there is a problem at all. > > Saves ok here, using Oregano2. It gives a standard RISC OS save dialogue > window so you can drag it to wherever you wish to save it. It seems to be an intermittent problem with O2. Here, mostly it works as it should, but once in a while (for instance this morning!) it does just what the OP and others have said. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 12:25:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7WC7-29B000-05-AJM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7WC7-29B000-05-AJM; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:16:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7WC7-29B000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:16:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7WC6-0000j4-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:16:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FC995A52AE; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08257-02; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E92FE5A0395; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:14:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C5E35A52AE for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08054-01 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AB485A425A for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7WAz-00008c-7C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: <1mjR$gCfR2rFFwzT@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:13:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 67 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >However, I'm still encountering the displaced page number. >In my original document at the bottom of the page, in the RTF at the top >of the page. >Any thoughts on that one? I have to admit that I didn't notice there was anything wrong with the page number, I know you've mentioned it a few times, it was just that the other problems were so much worse. Loading the RTF into MS Word a little square appears where the page number appears in Ovation Pro. I think the position is that the page number is coming from a fixed position in the original document and MakeRTF puts it into the text story. There is then no attempt by the RTF filter to take out page numbers and attach them to pages. In other words the system is not sophisticated enough to handle page numbers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 12:25:21 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7WFA-1LHknw-01-AGJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7WFA-1LHknw-01-AGJ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7WFA-1LHknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7WF4-0007LY-Uj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C2E75A5AD3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09507-03-4; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E03665A5ADB; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:17:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 701EE5A567D for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09240-02 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0816D5A56A6 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H7WE2-0004Sg-9Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:18:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:18:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea71d19eachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea7189147lists-nospam@vigay.com> <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 68 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > It seems to be an intermittent problem with O2. Here, mostly it > works as it should, but once in a while (for instance this > morning!) it does just what the OP and others have said. I think it is often the first save after O2 is first fired up - it often occurs when a link is double clicked in a mail or news article, but O2 is not on the iconbar at the time and hasn't been run since the last boot. Once O2 has been running and has been used for browsing etc, then I do not think this problem then occurs. That's how it seems to be on my Iyonix anyway. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 12:35:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7WLV-2GNknw-02-A9y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:35:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7WLV-2GNknw-02-A9y; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7WLV-2GNknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7WLM-0001dy-L2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82B3B5A5B19; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11789-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44DD25A5B30; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A4C75A578E for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11409-01 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DFCD5A56EF for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7WKa-0004Gu-J3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:24 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7WKK-0001KB-PZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:19:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea71d2912john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <173f11a74e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> <173f11a74e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 69 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <173f11a74e.jaycee@jaycee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee wrote: > In message <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> > John M Ward wrote: > > > In article <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost>, > > Phillip Marsden wrote: > >> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:25 +0000, John M Ward wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I > >> > haven't solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save > >> > works only by clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it > >> > somewhere of its own choosing (I can't usually find where this > >> > is!). > > On my Iyonix that has always been in the root directory. It's probably the CSD where set, and the root dir of the current drive when a CSD is not explicitly set. Anyway, the important thing to remember is that this is not a fault with the Pilling website but with Oregano 2, and hopefully what I posted a little earlier will be helpful to some here who might have difficulties downloading files from this or any other website. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 12:35:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7WLW-1W8knw-07-A9x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:35:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7WLW-1W8knw-07-A9x; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7WLW-1W8knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7WLR-0001xL-VC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E50D5A5AF5; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11878-03-5; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F2865A5B66; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49AAF5A5905 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11409-09 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AB195A5A4A for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7WKg-0003el-Ul for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:31 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7WKL-0001KB-0P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:23:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea71d9191john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ea718a754lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <4ea718a754lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 70 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4ea718a754lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org>, > John M Ward wrote: > > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't > > solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only > > by clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own > > choosing (I can't usually find where this is!). > > Eh? I'm not sure what you mean there, but I've not had a problem with > O2 not behaving as it should. Double-click on the link and O2 gives a > save box which you simply drag where you want. This is not the place to go into a long sub-thread about this, and I was simply aiming to aid anyone who was having the trouble described; but just for the record -- yes it *does* happen sometimes for the first attempt at a download after Oregano 2 has been started, at least on some machines. The problem here was that it might have caused the pursuance of red herrings if blamed on the website or the file itself, whereas there is a real issue -- minor though it undoubtedly is in reality -- with O 2, and I strongly suspect this was the cause of Ralph's difficulty. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 12:35:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7WLj-2Hvknw-02-A9k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:35:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7WLj-2Hvknw-02-A9k; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7WLj-2Hvknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7WLg-0002D6-JD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 703DB5A5B8E; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11975-02-8; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07D455A5B66; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9778D5A5522 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11516-07 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3DC85A5AC8 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7WKd-000KkZ-GC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:25:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:23:46 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 71 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: > >http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > >This supports the RTF cell and row commands by mapping them to tab and >new line - crude but better than nothing. > >It also fixes the problem Dave Symes found with RTF from MakeRTF. That >problem was caused by MakeRTF naming a style "BodyText". The corresponding Windows filter is now at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallRTF.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 12:55:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7Wft-08Tknw-06-9pa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:55:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7Wft-08Tknw-06-9pa; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:47:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7Wft-08Tknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:47:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Wfq-0001Fo-Mc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:47:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25E1C5A542A; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17264-01; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA7C85A5216; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:45:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A68935A4AEA for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17152-04 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EE285A425E for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2007 12:42:41 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJr6rkXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACNWQECBw4HBxw Received: from 88-105-165-174.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.165.174]:11719 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H7WbI-000FOH-Sr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:42:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:40:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea71f1abedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1mjR$gCfR2rFFwzT@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net> <1mjR$gCfR2rFFwzT@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 72 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1mjR$gCfR2rFFwzT@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >However, I'm still encountering the displaced page number. > >In my original document at the bottom of the page, in the RTF at the top > >of the page. > >Any thoughts on that one? > I have to admit that I didn't notice there was anything wrong with the > page number, I know you've mentioned it a few times, it was just that > the other problems were so much worse. > Loading the RTF into MS Word a little square appears where the page > number appears in Ovation Pro. > I think the position is that the page number is coming from a fixed > position in the original document and MakeRTF puts it into the text > story. There is then no attempt by the RTF filter to take out page > numbers and attach them to pages. > In other words the system is not sophisticated enough to handle page > numbers. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 13:25:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7X94-2vmknw-05-9MP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:25:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7X94-2vmknw-05-9MP; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:17:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7X94-2vmknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:17:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7X94-0006xw-4g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:17:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A31C75A51FF; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25847-04-7; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06F605A58E3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:15:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4C945A51FF for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25635-01-10 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69E085A3FCF for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C688E00053D for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:16:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) From: Phillip Marsden To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <4ea718b1d5lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea718b1d5lists-nospam@vigay.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:16:38 +0000 Message-Id: <1169126198.5444.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 73 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 11:30 +0000, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: > > Strange, I thought that software "choosing" to do something different to > > what the user requires was supposed to be a Microsoft trait! :o) > > It is :-) and, no Oregano2 doesn't behave like that! Are you contradicting what John said? -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. Bespoke acoustic guitars. Contact phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 13:25:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7XCP-1jfVbs-04-9J4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:25:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7XCP-1jfVbs-04-9J4; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:21:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7XCP-1jfVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:21:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7XCO-00067K-HE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:21:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EC485A58F0; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26798-01; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 805A55A595D; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DD795A42E4 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26535-03 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE3E359E014 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-45-2.as15444.net [82.163.45.2]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IDK1oc011921 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:20:02 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:26:54 GMT Message-ID: References: <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net> <1mjR$gCfR2rFFwzT@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1mjR$gCfR2rFFwzT@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.095, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 74 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 18 Jan 2007 David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea6fc2a30dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes >>However, I'm still encountering the displaced page number. >>In my original document at the bottom of the page, in the RTF at the top >>of the page. >>Any thoughts on that one? > > I have to admit that I didn't notice there was anything wrong with the > page number, I know you've mentioned it a few times, it was just that > the other problems were so much worse. > > Loading the RTF into MS Word a little square appears where the page > number appears in Ovation Pro. > > I think the position is that the page number is coming from a fixed > position in the original document and MakeRTF puts it into the text > story. There is then no attempt by the RTF filter to take out page > numbers and attach them to pages. > > In other words the system is not sophisticated enough to handle page > numbers. I suspect the thing that goes wrong is that MakeRTF doesn't deal with frames, and that the page number is in a footer. I don't think that rtf has a concept of frames, or am I wrong here? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 13:25:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7XDq-2PpVbs-02-9Hd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:25:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7XDq-2PpVbs-02-9Hd; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7XDq-2PpVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7XDp-0002Eb-CL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B34145A556B; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27219-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 473345A596C; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6331E5A56B0 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26975-06 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29B2F5A55B0 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142AAE000364 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:21:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) From: Phillip Marsden To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:21:29 +0000 Message-Id: <1169126489.5444.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 75 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:55 +0000, John M Ward wrote: [snip] > > It just goes to show how poorly-ported Oregano was from its original > platform which /did/ require it to behave in that way. It is a bug -- > something of which you might have heard. I see. When it is Microsoft or other Windows applications that are badly written, then the whole platform is labelled as beyond the pale. When it is an application that is re-written for RISC OS then we should not talk about it. Is that correct? I won't take up any more of DP's forum space, but I note that you appear to have double standards. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. Bespoke acoustic guitars. Contact phillip.marsden@btinternet.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 13:35:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7XGp-2dDVbs-03-9Ee.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:35:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7XGp-2dDVbs-03-9Ee; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:25:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7XGp-2dDVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:25:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7XGo-0000cW-Am for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:25:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59FED5A5A48; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28084-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1313B5A5690; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F6435A5A48 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27881-03 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2E2F5A5344 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7XG1-0006yx-S2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:24:46 +0000 Received: from [213.48.202.152] (helo=localhost.com.nom) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7XFx-0000xt-Bh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:24:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:22:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea722f227Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea7189147lists-nospam@vigay.com> <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 76 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <454f19a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 18 Jan 2007 Paul Vigay wrote: > > In article , > > wrote: > > > >> It won't save at all here, even into an empty directory, but I get > >> no error message, no indication of why there is a problem at all. > > > > Saves ok here, using Oregano2. It gives a standard RISC OS save > > dialogue window so you can drag it to wherever you wish to save it. > It seems to be an intermittent problem with O2. Here, mostly it works > as it should, but once in a while (for instance this morning!) it does > just what the OP and others have said. If nothing happens on a drag save it's because the windows have been moved and Oregano2 loses track. Sometimes moving the 'Save' window back over the original window will restore the drag save ability. Entering a path and saving should always work. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 13:45:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7XTW-4OQknw-05-91x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:45:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7XTW-4OQknw-05-91x; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:38:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7XTW-4OQknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:38:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7XTS-00003b-MW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D90ED5A5D22; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32456-04; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE5E35A5D87; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:36:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 115265A5D22 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32231-04-3 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98E535A5D2C for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7XSX-0007wF-HV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:37:41 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H7XSW-0003PC-DJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:37:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea72453a2john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <1169126489.5444.6.camel@localhost> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> <1169126489.5444.6.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 77 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1169126489.5444.6.camel@localhost>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:55 +0000, John M Ward wrote: > [snip] > > > > It just goes to show how poorly-ported Oregano was from its > > original platform which /did/ require it to behave in that way. It > > is a bug -- something of which you might have heard. If you can't understand what I wrote, just get out. If you can't hack it in our arena, get out. We don't need rubbish here. [Author permanently killfiled on all sources] -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 14:25:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7Y36-1mWGPo-04-Gyt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:25:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7Y36-1mWGPo-04-Gyt; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:15:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7Y36-1mWGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:15:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7Y2w-0005Pm-Bk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:15:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51D8F5A5BF3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12099-05; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B4015A5B0D; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:13:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A1CC5A5ADA for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11787-06 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD53F5A5A74 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7Y1m-000BEU-Ak for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:14:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:12:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> <1169126489.5444.6.camel@localhost> <4ea72453a2john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ea72453a2john@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 78 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I think that is enough about Oregano... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 18:15:23 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7bey-05yknw-06-DN1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:15:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7bey-05yknw-06-DN1; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:06:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7bey-05yknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:06:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7bbm-00049s-9W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:03:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 090225A6D9C; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13717-08; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6075A6D9A; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE1815A6BA1 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13444-02 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 255615A6CAE for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.130.190] (port=53928 helo=smtp1.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H7bYx-0001rD-1J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:00:35 +0100 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.62]:1040 helo=arnold) by smtp1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H7bWQ-0006M5-6v for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:57:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:44:37 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] pdf import Message-ID: <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 79 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello, Importing a pdf-file of about 1 Mb in a blank Ovation for Windows document increases the filesize to about 50 Mb. Printing it postcript gives a file of also about 50 Mb. Saving the document takes a long time. This does not seem to happen with all pdf-files, but I can't understand why it happens ore why not. Any idea? thanks, greetings -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 18:15:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7bm2-0lZVbs-04-DFx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:15:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7bm2-0lZVbs-04-DFx; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:14:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7bm2-0lZVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:14:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7bfo-000436-CG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:07:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 770D05A6F46; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14207-05; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D36D5A6F45; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:00:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5BDE5A6EDB for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14115-03 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 705245A6E8D for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-176.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.176] helo=standalone.denyswells.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H7bZD-000CUU-6s for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:00:51 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Denys Wells X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:03:03 GMT Message-ID: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 80 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: denyswells@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Denys Wells > writes >>Many RTF files I get are tables: when they are dropped on the OPro >>icon the text is rendered OK, but with no cell or line separators. The >>RTF file uses " \cell " [without the "] as the separator. Can > > I've uploaded a new version of TransRTF to: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf32.zip > > This supports the RTF cell and row commands by mapping them to tab and > new line - crude but better than nothing. > > It also fixes the problem Dave Symes found with RTF from MakeRTF. That > problem was caused by MakeRTF naming a style "BodyText". > > Thanks for this latest version, David, it works fine. Small point though, the Table column headings (bold typeface) are *centred* & tabbed, while the Table lines are *left justified* and tabbed. Easy to correct, and I mention it only because I think someone else reported a problem with text from RTF being centred rather than left-justified. -- Denys Wells From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 21:38:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7cP5-1q5Vbs-06-Ccu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:38:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7cP5-1q5Vbs-06-Ccu; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:54:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7cP5-1q5Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:54:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7cP0-0004ur-Rf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:54:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A9075A6E3A; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28082-01-3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B1695A6DF3; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:52:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E229F5A67DB for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27680-01 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BBCF5A5CDF for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from red-squirrel.com.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-141-197.as15444.net [213.130.141.197]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0IIr9T4021397 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:53:10 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:31:22 GMT Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.086, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 81 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net [snip] One problem Louie mentioned was the appearance of all 4 separation colours in Black. David P suggested the cause might be RBG rather than CMYK colour system. He also said it is easy to view separations via the View=>Separations menu. I checked on one of my OvPro documents and was relieved to find all text was black only, but surprised to find that !Draw objects had a black that appeared on all separations; eg Black text in !Draw. Changing the colour of the black to the CMYK scheme within !Draw had no effect on the separations in OvPro. Only by processing Pictures to Duotone was I able to produce a 'pure' black in a !Draw object. Any reasons for this? Does it matter? Roger Foden -- roger@red-squirrel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 21:38:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7dLb-2BBGPo-06-BgO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:38:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7dLb-2BBGPo-06-BgO; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:54:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7dLb-2BBGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:54:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7dLb-0003J1-57 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:54:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C7435A601B; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12236-03; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35EA05A6065; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFDFB5A601B for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12065-01 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D3935A308A for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118195410.YATS9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:54:10 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.12.171.49]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070118195410.UWXE17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:54:10 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:43:40 GMT Message-ID: <41da45a74e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <8b18d4a64e.raywingate@raywingate.ntlworld.com> <25c606a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4ea712bf7cjohn@acornusers.org> <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost> <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 82 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea715831fjohn@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <1169117015.5545.2.camel@localhost>, > Phillip Marsden wrote: >> On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 10:25 +0000, John M Ward wrote: >> [snip] >> > That's a fault with Oregano 2's downloading -- something I haven't >> > solved, but can work around. The first attempt to save works only >> > by clicking "Save" whereupon Oregano saves it somewhere of its own >> > choosing (I can't usually find where this is!). >> >> Strange, I thought that software "choosing" to do something different >> to what the user requires was supposed to be a Microsoft trait! :o) > > It just goes to show how poorly-ported Oregano was from its original > platform which /did/ require it to behave in that way. It is a bug -- > something of which you might have heard. > >> Oh well. Another illusion shattered. > > Only if you fail to understand the reason for this oddity. > > Meanwhile, let's hope that Ralph can now save the downloaded file where > he wants. > Yes I did, thanks! I tried again and it worked, allowing me to drag the icon to the Filters directory. But it is the first time I have had this problem and I have been using Oregano for a long time. Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 21:58:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7eyk-3SrVbs-07-A3F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7eyk-3SrVbs-07-A3F; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:39:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7eyk-3SrVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:39:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7eyk-0002oF-0V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:39:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24E745A6D23; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08583-01; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DF935A6D65; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:37:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6938F5A6462 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08300-02-8 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A30B5A6C46 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheusnet.rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-142-94.as15444.net [213.130.142.94]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0ILcBH4026706 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:38:12 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:12:33 GMT Message-ID: References: <45A927B0.5000304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.628, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.50, DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX 1.08, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 83 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rwatki@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I've just had a play with RTF Translatot 2.00 on my SA RiscPC700 and it seemmed to work fine. I loaded a Word document into Techwriter, saved it out as RTF and then loaded the RTF file into Ovation Pro 2.77. It all worked smoothly. Obviously the original Word document has undergone some changes in the 3 stage process but in the main it works. -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ Join the RSPB today From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 21:58:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7f91-2kwVbs-03-9sy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7f91-2kwVbs-03-9sy; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:50:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7f91-2kwVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:50:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7f91-0004Dr-De for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:50:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BBF95A6435; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13702-06; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E81B5A67D1; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B84215A64A8 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13331-02 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D75A55A67D5 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7f8C-000Ihk-7v for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:49:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:47:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 84 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Roger Foden writes >I checked on one of my OvPro documents and was relieved to find all >text was black only, but surprised to find that !Draw objects had a >black that appeared on all separations; eg Black text in !Draw. >Changing the colour of the black to the CMYK scheme within !Draw had >no effect on the separations in OvPro. >Only by processing Pictures to Duotone was I able to produce a 'pure' >black in a !Draw object. >Any reasons for this? Does it matter? Draw is an RGB format, all the colours in Draw files are in RGB space. Yes you can use the colour selector in CMYK space but it just produces an RGB colour. There has over the years been lots of chat about extending the Draw format to support CMYK colours. It has come to naught. It does matter if you are doing separations. However if you were worried you'd not be using Draw files in the first place. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 21:58:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7fEv-3AYVbs-02-9n4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7fEv-3AYVbs-02-9n4; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7fEv-3AYVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7fEu-0001fY-DU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 125295A6A08; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16443-03-11; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F78A5A6ADA; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7241F5A6227 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16059-03-5 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 623065A6980 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7fE4-0004G5-JH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:55:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:53:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 85 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?>, Arnold van der Heijden writes >Importing a pdf-file of about 1 Mb in a blank Ovation for >Windows document increases the filesize to about 50 Mb. >Printing it postcript gives a file of also about 50 Mb. >Saving the document takes a long time. >This does not seem to happen with all pdf-files, but >I can't understand why it happens ore why not. >Any idea? The PDF filter produces a PostScript version of the PDF and a bitmap version - the two being glued together into an EPS file. I imagine most of the size comes from the bitmap, how big it is depends on the resolution you tell the PDF filter to use and how big (feet and inches) the graphic is. I guess it makes sense to turn down the resolution as much as you can. As long as you're printing to a PS printer you only need the bitmaps as a guide. I had an experience where someone had generated PDF files with very strange scaling. I couldn't get them to print from Adobe Reader. I loaded them into OP and successfully printed them, however the document size was heading towards 1GB - frightening. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 18 21:58:27 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7fFU-3D4Vbs-03-9mV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:58:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7fFU-3D4Vbs-03-9mV; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7fFU-3D4Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7fFU-0006XH-Cp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:56:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8138A5A6B82; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16749-04; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DCC15A63EA; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 266385A6873 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16443-01-2 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EBC55A6AE3 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7fEj-0004Qi-I8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:55:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:54:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 86 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com>, Denys Wells writes >though, the Table column headings (bold typeface) are *centred* & >tabbed, while the Table lines are *left justified* and tabbed. Easy to >correct, and I mention it only because I think someone else reported a >problem with text from RTF being centred rather than left-justified. I don't get that. Is there something to tell me what the justification is? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 12:43:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7t14-228000-04-D3x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:43:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7t14-228000-04-D3x; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7t14-228000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7t12-0002Sq-FC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:38:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83CE65A67F9; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01497-01-8; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A9655A634B; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:36:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7D7A5A69B8 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01313-09 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796975A5B5E for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7t05-000I2n-27 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:37:56 +0000 Message-ID: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:36:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 87 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, Recently we had a discussion about text effects in Ovation Pro, and it came to light that there is no way of removing an individual effect. In the latest version of the program I have added a sub menu "Remove" to the Text menu which shows the effects active at the caret or in the selected text and lets you remove them one by one. To give an example which gets to the nub of the matter, if you mark some text and click on bold then the text is given an effect of bold-on. No problem with that. However if you now mark the text again and click on bold again, the text is given the effect of bold-off. bold-off will make any text normal, i.e. not bold. So bold-off is different to no effect on bold. If you have a style that applies bold then if there is an effect of bold-off the text will not appear in bold. The rule is that effects take precedence over styles. Effects like bold, italic, sub/super script seem much more confusing than ones like font size. It is surprising looking at the remove menu in existing documents just what effects are applied. The latest version is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 12:53:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7t7c-2QIGPo-05-CxP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:53:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7t7c-2QIGPo-05-CxP; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7t7c-2QIGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7t7b-0002tX-Ql for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BC155A5A91; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03363-03; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 275C65A5A98; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0647D5A57DF for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03152-02 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1BD25A4389 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-164-176.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.176] helo=standalone.denyswells.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1H7t6p-000LDD-78 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:44:43 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Denys Wells X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:06 GMT Message-ID: <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> References: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 88 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: denyswells@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com>, Denys Wells > writes >>though, the Table column headings (bold typeface) are *centred* & >>tabbed, while the Table lines are *left justified* and tabbed. Easy to >>correct, and I mention it only because I think someone else reported a >>problem with text from RTF being centred rather than left-justified. > > I don't get that. Is there something to tell me what the justification > is? > > Yes, there must be: I've just checked a printout of my test RTF file from Open Office on WinXP, and see each column's header has the text centred *in the cell*, while following rows have the text left-justified in each cell. !TransRTF has clearly recognised this, but by centreing the whole header row on the page rather than by centreing each cell's text within its tab: that might be quite complex to do I imagine. Just looking at the raw RTF file in a text editor doesn't give any obvious clue as to where the justification information is hidden -- there are several lines of presumably layout instructions between each line of text, and I'm quite unable to interpret these :( . Sorry I can't offer you any RTF 'table' file to examine, as all those I have contain personal data which must remain confidential under the Data Protection Act. All I can tell you about it is that the table was produced in MS Word before being saved as an RTF file. -- Denys Wells From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 13:23:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7teM-1ouknw-02-CQf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:23:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7teM-1ouknw-02-CQf; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:19:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7teM-1ouknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:19:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7teG-00045h-Do for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:19:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE41C5A5F9B; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11638-03; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BCFF5A6302; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:17:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A33A85A5F9B for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11402-05 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 105235A5C23 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.253] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1H7tdJ3hdH-0000Nv; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:18:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 89 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> Denys Wells wrote: > Yes, there must be: I've just checked a printout of my test RTF file > from Open Office on WinXP, and see each column's header has the text > centred *in the cell*, while following rows have the text > left-justified in each cell. !TransRTF has clearly recognised this, > but by centreing the whole header row on the page rather than by > centreing each cell's text within its tab: that might be quite complex > to do I imagine. Precisely. OvationPro does not do tables, so the vast majority of table layouts cannot be reproduced accurately. The best the filter can do is to approximate it with tabbed text but that only works under very specific (and thus rare) circumstances. In this specific case the filter could do a bit better by defining a special tab ruler with centre align tabs, but that might be a bit over the top. > Sorry I can't offer you any RTF 'table' file to examine, as all those > I have contain personal data which must remain confidential under the > Data Protection Act. All I can tell you about it is that the table was > produced in MS Word before being saved as an RTF file. I do not think there is any need for a file - it should be clear why the above problem is there. Creating such a file would be a matter of seconds anyway. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software http://www.mw-software.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 13:33:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7tpy-4NQknw-07-CF3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:33:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7tpy-4NQknw-07-CF3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7tpy-4NQknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7tpy-0004xo-CV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 325C35A6E1E; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14612-01; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66F025A6E10; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:29:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B42C85A6B7B for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14336-02 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D7785A6B75 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from red-squirrel.com.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-142-35.as15444.net [213.130.142.35]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0JDUNg5020998 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:30:24 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:16:20 GMT Message-ID: <2bbca0a74e.roger@orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.086, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 90 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Foden > writes >>I checked on one of my OvPro documents and was relieved to find all >>text was black only, but surprised to find that !Draw objects had a >>black that appeared on all separations; eg Black text in !Draw. >>Changing the colour of the black to the CMYK scheme within !Draw had >>no effect on the separations in OvPro. >>Only by processing Pictures to Duotone was I able to produce a 'pure' >>black in a !Draw object. >>Any reasons for this? Does it matter? > > Draw is an RGB format, all the colours in Draw files are in RGB space. > Yes you can use the colour selector in CMYK space but it just produces > an RGB colour. > > There has over the years been lots of chat about extending the Draw > format to support CMYK colours. It has come to naught. > > It does matter if you are doing separations. However if you were worried > you'd not be using Draw files in the first place. > Thanks for that. I've since tried loading a Draw file into ArtWorks and saving it out as an Artworks file. The ArtWorks file is a true Black (as tested in OvPro). So I assume that's one way around the problem (if it is a problem for you). The drawback is that a 5K DrawFile becomes a 10K ArtWork file. Roger -- roger@red-squirrel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 13:43:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7u0E-3sWknw-03-C4n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:43:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7u0E-3sWknw-03-C4n; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:41:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7u0E-3sWknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:41:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7u08-0004Yw-P1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:41:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53F505A70EA; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17311-05-9; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC3A35A70F3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51E225A703C for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16836-03 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11D965A7072 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.130.189] (port=34083 helo=smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H7wUl-0005V5-Qc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:21:39 +0100 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.62]:1037 helo=arnold) by smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H7tvu-0002k5-Bu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:37:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:27:19 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import Message-ID: References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 91 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In mailtje schreef je: > I imagine most of the size comes from the bitmap, how big it is depends > on the resolution you tell the PDF filter to use and how big (feet and > inches) the graphic is. > > I guess it makes sense to turn down the resolution as much as you can. > As long as you're printing to a PS printer you only need the bitmaps as > a guide. Turning the resolution down means a lower resolution in the output-file. That is not what I want, in full colour it should be nearby 300 dpi. The bitmap on screen, the proxy, has a very low resolution and that is enough as a guide. Let me give an example: I place a jpeg (1475 x 2000, 250 dpi) in Artworks in a A5-sheet. It gives a resolution of 90 dpi. The Artworksfile is 874 kb. Export to pdf gives a file of 1,1 mb. Importing this file 100% in Ovation in a A5-page and saving this document gives a file of ... 75 mb. Even exporting from Artworks as a 300 dpi tiff gives only 12 mb. Producing our A3 newspapers, where importing and placing different pdf-files on one page is essential, is hard to handle with such great files. thanks, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 14:23:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7uY7-3XWknw-05-BWu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:23:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7uY7-3XWknw-05-BWu; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:16:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7uY7-3XWknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:16:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7uY6-0003My-LE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:16:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C6925A5928; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28041-04; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23D955A586F; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21DC35A5928 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27785-02 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF9F35A5774 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7uXL-0002Kn-Gu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:16:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:14:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) References: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 92 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >I do not think there is any need for a file - it should be clear why >the above problem is there. Creating such a file would be a matter of >seconds anyway. That's telling me. I think I get it now. I suppose one could use centre tabs. However that would make things more complex - I'm not keen. Tables will go wrong as soon as you have a cell with more than one line of text in. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 14:33:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7ufG-3ojknw-06-BPl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:33:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7ufG-3ojknw-06-BPl; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:24:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7ufG-3ojknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:24:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7ufF-0004Kp-Fx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:24:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6427C5A5DCA; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30258-03; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3177F5A5F9A; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:22:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E78785A5DCA for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30114-01-8 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29AF65A59E2 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7ueW-0001oI-FZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:23:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:22:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 93 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >Producing our A3 newspapers, where importing and placing different pdf-files >on one page is essential, is hard to handle with such great files. Your comments have given me a sinking feeling... I notice that the configuration file for the PDF filter has a papersize A4 command. I wonder if that is making the images A4 size. I'm going to look into matters in greater detail later. My preliminary investigations show that there is a lot of support for using GhostScript to convert to EPS. So quite possibly we could be using an existing solution. >Turning the resolution down means a lower resolution in the output-file. I'm talking about turning down the resolution of the bitmap preview, i.e. what becomes the proxy. The resolution of the main PS image should not be touched, but this then opens the question of why would resolution effect PS anyway? Perhaps if you've mostly got bitmaps. The other point is that the PS image can only be used if you're printing to a PS printer (includes Adobe Acrobat) and OPW is set to use direct PS for printing. If you don't meet these conditions then the bitmap preview is used for printing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 15:44:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7vpd-3pT000-02-AFO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:44:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7vpd-3pT000-02-AFO; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:39:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7vpd-3pT000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:39:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7vpQ-0001dD-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:39:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A4E95A72B3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19324-10-3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F41B45A729C; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90A335A7259 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19085-06-8 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07BAC5A71E4 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7voC-000O6J-Gn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:37:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Filter at the end of the Universe (RISC OS 32 bit) Message-ID: <4ea7b2a838john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <32a43ca74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 94 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 19 Jan, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <125ea3a74e.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> > Denys Wells wrote: > > Yes, there must be: I've just checked a printout of my test RTF file > > from Open Office on WinXP, and see each column's header has the text > > centred *in the cell*, while following rows have the text > > left-justified in each cell. !TransRTF has clearly recognised this, > > but by centreing the whole header row on the page rather than by > > centreing each cell's text within its tab: that might be quite complex > > to do I imagine. > Precisely. OvationPro does not do tables, so the vast majority of > table layouts cannot be reproduced accurately. The best the filter can > do is to approximate it with tabbed text but that only works under > very specific (and thus rare) circumstances. In this specific case the > filter could do a bit better by defining a special tab ruler with > centre align tabs, but that might be a bit over the top. Best use TableMate which accepts CSV (and other) files and can be dropped into Ovation Pro as if it were a graphic (it is a sort of Draw file). Or use Easiwriter! ;-) [Snip] -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 16:24:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7wQg-2eFknw-04-9eL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:24:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7wQg-2eFknw-04-9eL; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7wQg-2eFknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7wQg-0000eC-6K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:17:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A7BD5A6052; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30776-04; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1ECF5A6031; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7796C5A636F for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30523-02-9 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C6CC5A6250 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0JGGMBk025440 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:16:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:13:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows Message-ID: <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.248, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.23, INFO_TLD 0.48) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 95 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The latest version is available from: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Are any of these enhancements likely to make it to the RISC OS version....? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) Butterflies taste with their feet. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 17:04:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7x7V-26dGPo-08-8xW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:04:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7x7V-26dGPo-08-8xW; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:01:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7x7V-26dGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:01:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7x7N-000134-6L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:01:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8F0C5A77DE; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11566-03-6; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D9DF5A7822; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FF115A7775 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11273-04-5 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5364D5A7592 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7x5P-000GVX-D0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:59:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:57:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 96 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay writes >In article <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: >> The latest version is available from: >> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >Are any of these enhancements likely to make it to the RISC OS version....? Yes I am inclined to add the remove effect stuff to the RISC OS version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 17:54:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7xpC-3zrVbs-05-GmL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:54:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7xpC-3zrVbs-05-GmL; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:46:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7xpC-3zrVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:46:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7xp0-0001Ia-7f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:46:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E06A5A5C96; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24831-09; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E00105A72A0; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:44:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DA5D5A5C96 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24601-02 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DC265A6F95 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-45-2.as15444.net [82.163.45.2]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0JHjDK1027983 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:45:14 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:23:18 GMT Message-ID: <7ed6bca74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.335, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.20, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, INFO_TLD 0.48) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 97 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 19 Jan 2007 David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay > writes >>In article <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, >> David Pilling wrote: >>> The latest version is available from: >>> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >>Are any of these enhancements likely to make it to the RISC OS version....? > > Yes I am inclined to add the remove effect stuff to the RISC OS version. Please! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 17:54:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7xqk-3qP000-08-Gkn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:54:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7xqk-3qP000-08-Gkn; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:48:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7xqk-3qP000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:48:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7xqd-0000HJ-Ph for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:48:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 333EA5A75D6; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25436-01-3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 092F25A75C8; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:46:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C45725A70F3 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25176-01 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D054F5A6DB6 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H7xpf-00062m-Gh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:47:19 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:36:38 GMT Message-ID: References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 98 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ea7b66722lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay > writes >>In article <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, >> David Pilling wrote: >>> The latest version is available from: >>> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe >>Are any of these enhancements likely to make it to the RISC OS version....? > > Yes I am inclined to add the remove effect stuff to the RISC OS version. Geee - yes, please! THEN we'd be in heaven! (At LAST we could do what can be done so easily in Impression! I often need to feed incoming RTFs through Impression first to do just this - and it's not ideal!) J. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 18:24:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H7yJc-2ny000-03-GHv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:24:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H7yJc-2ny000-03-GHv; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:18:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H7yJc-2ny000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:18:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H7yJT-0002CI-4Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:18:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24E8B5A7A78; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01659-06-4; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:14:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED6295A7AA7; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:14:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D4AF5A6B28 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01414-09-2 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6F2AA5A7712 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86649 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 18:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 18:14:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6IVsxKwVM1m61dxu8jN.x1Rq0kz7TTcP7y.PJ4XjGOn2LGxVANEj54eVpncnwXYb5y1j3f.cWB7b2i.nvM2ByI7RjUaumOnHQ7cm9r0KvcydX_6G9bA- Message-ID: <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:14:59 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 99 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > Recently we had a discussion about text effects in Ovation Pro, and it > came to light that there is no way of removing an individual effect. > > In the latest version of the program I have added a sub menu "Remove" to > the Text menu which shows the effects active at the caret or in the > selected text and lets you remove them one by one. Wonderful. Thank you! I notice that is not treated in OPW as an effect. Any chance that it could be so treated, and included in the new ... or would I be pushing my luck? -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 21:04:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H80lf-0jtVbs-05-Dps.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:04:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H80lf-0jtVbs-05-Dps; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:55:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H80lf-0jtVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:55:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H80ld-0007m5-TE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:55:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C09675A7514; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12102-01; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E2EC5A845B; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8BAC5A5BB1 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11846-06 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D05E5A5795 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H80kp-0006GW-Rw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:54:31 +0000 Received: from [82.35.180.141] (helo=Workhouse.Home) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1H80ko-0003qJ-2g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:54:30 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:53:56 GMT Message-ID: <6c1fd0a74e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> Recently we had a discussion about text effects in Ovation Pro, and it >> came to light that there is no way of removing an individual effect. >> >> In the latest version of the program I have added a sub menu "Remove" to >> the Text menu which shows the effects active at the caret or in the >> selected text and lets you remove them one by one. > > Wonderful. Thank you! > > I notice that is not treated in OPW as an effect. Any chance > that it could be so treated, and included in the new ... > or would I be pushing my luck? Why would someone want to swap the case of a character/word/sentence/paragraph/document as an effect? And then remove it? I would have thought it was an action not an effect... Geoff Potter -- This email has not been scanned for Windows viruses or anything else, because it's RiscOS and eats them without getting indigestion From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 21:24:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8160-0cwGPo-04-DVX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:24:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8160-0cwGPo-04-DVX; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:16:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8160-0cwGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:16:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H815u-0003mG-VJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:16:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA6D75A6CD3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16978-01-3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41F105A6BC1; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:10:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FB095A84A6 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16403-03 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE1435A8308 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2007 21:11:37 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHfCsEXUSnIwh2dsb2JhbACDZIoAAQEJDg0d Received: from 88-105-172-167.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.172.167]:10523 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H80yz-000097-F4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:09:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:11:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows Message-ID: <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The latest version is available from: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Dear Mr P. Don't you think it's time we passed a little more money in your direction? Granted I paid lolly for the RO version and lolly for the Win version, and lolly for the paper manual, but that was some while ago, since then you've done a number of fixes and new releases. Are there any plans afoot for us to contribute to a Save the Dave fund? Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 21:34:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H81Ji-0cg000-07-DHp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:34:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H81Ji-0cg000-07-DHp; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:30:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H81Ji-0cg000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:30:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H81Je-0007Vk-Ak for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:30:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C955A7FD0; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19627-02-3; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1791C5A8582; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:25:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C88C5A7FD0 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19439-03 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAC6D5A7FA0 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H81G2-000HQ4-E8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:26:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:25:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I notice that is not treated in OPW as an effect. Any >chance that it could be so treated, and included in the new effect> ... or would I be pushing my luck? Swop case is an action - it actually changes the characters in the document. I'm not sure how it would work as an effect or why it is desirable. Perhaps as an extension to the capitalisation (upper, lower, title) effect? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 21:44:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H81SQ-39tVbs-06-D97.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:44:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H81SQ-39tVbs-06-D97; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:39:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H81SQ-39tVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:39:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H81SE-0007nH-VW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:39:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09DDB5A80B8; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22715-05-2; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B60045A8278; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:37:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCC025A7FF8 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22464-01-7 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 9D5CF5A807F for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 63887 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 21:38:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 21:38:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yjfPYbcVM1l.uitJFG1aoflrjqcmBRSUUZhEO0TBgfwRPnMdDxbMQEX3.LDwhohudZGAaR3VUxqMdn1ydUODl402f_iNBSfNiBPoqr32IFbCap2.B93CtBteonJW7WbHGRN1R7164IYKLREbELmSk27KDVlslZfL Message-ID: <45B13A47.8060908@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:15 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <6c1fd0a74e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6c1fd0a74e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > In message <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> Recently we had a discussion about text effects in Ovation Pro, and it >>> came to light that there is no way of removing an individual effect. >>> >>> In the latest version of the program I have added a sub menu "Remove" to >>> the Text menu which shows the effects active at the caret or in the >>> selected text and lets you remove them one by one. > >> I notice that is not treated in OPW as an effect. Any chance >> that it could be so treated, and included in the new ... >> or would I be pushing my luck? > > Why would someone want to swap the case of a > character/word/sentence/paragraph/document as an effect? And then > remove it? I can think of a number of situations where I might want to do this. Currently, I'm editing a book of conference papers each of which has it's own bibliography comprising many individual references with a variety of effects set (italics, superscript, etc.). Originally, I had used a combination of caps and small caps for authors' names (e.g. Smith, J. --- with small caps applied as an effect over the lower case letters). The publisher didn't like it. So, I replaced the small caps with caps using Swap case ... but I had to do this manually for every single name in every single reference in the volume (many hundreds of instances). This is what prompted me to enquire about Remove>effect in the first place. Now the publisher doesn't like the CAPS and wants me to change everything to, e.g., Smith, J. (this time without small caps). If David's new remove>effect could reverse Swap case, then the task would be very much quicker. I know ... I should have used styles instead of effects. But that's water under the bridge. > I would have thought it was an action not an effect... I'm not sure I see much of a difference between the two in the example above. In publishing, there are situations where you might want to use CAPS as an effect ... and so the possibility of removing it again from a text selection would be very useful. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 21:54:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H81bJ-1tx000-07-D0E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:54:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H81bJ-1tx000-07-D0E; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:48:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H81bJ-1tx000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:48:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H81bF-0000CG-4Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:48:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E43265A83FE; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25351-03-2; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7789B5A8045; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:46:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E95C5A8165 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25108-03 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6BE6B5A79C9 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37762 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 21:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 21:47:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sNmHCm8VM1k6xlhXbbUOjmhP7wF7ZBvrPQUqzBYye9eaIJBulPaUV1iBbIAWPWkSRqGdZdZclp6NT78QrIYHp7_jVo.96y9yEKOe.9AMsQMGdJleL2A- Message-ID: <45B13C72.8080700@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:47:30 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I notice that is not treated in OPW as an effect. Any >> chance that it could be so treated, and included in the new > effect> ... or would I be pushing my luck? > > Swop case is an action - it actually changes the characters in the > document. I take that point. > I'm not sure how it would work as an effect or why it is desirable. There are situations ... > Perhaps as an extension to the capitalisation (upper, lower, title) effect? That too ... comes under text formatting in MSWORD, I think. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 21:54:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H81f5-4Y4Vbs-05-CwS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:54:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H81f5-4Y4Vbs-05-CwS; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:52:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H81f5-4Y4Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:52:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H81ez-0002HU-OJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:52:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D67C5A731E; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26289-03-8; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57C375A72B8; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C0455A5FE3 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26066-03-10 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFA4E5A5335 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H81eE-000Cq5-9O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:51:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:50:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >Let me give an example: I place a jpeg (1475 x 2000, 250 dpi) in >Artworks in a A5-sheet. It gives a resolution of 90 dpi. The Artworksfile >is 874 kb. Export to pdf gives a file of 1,1 mb. Importing this file 100% >in Ovation in a A5-page and saving this document gives a file of ... 75 mb. >Even exporting from Artworks as a 300 dpi tiff gives only 12 mb. I've had a play and the things I thought were wrong seem to be OK. It looks like any JPEG gets turned into a bitmap. However I've not managed to see the 75 times increase you report above. I'd be interested to see your example 1.1 MB file - private email. It occurs to me that using one of the GhostScript supplied scripts for producing eps might be a better approach. They seem to produce much smaller files than using the epswrite device. This device seems to be a new innovation and not well documented. Maybe a later version of GS will implement it better. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 22:14:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H81vD-0K3GPo-06-CgK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:14:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H81vD-0K3GPo-06-CgK; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:09:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H81vD-0K3GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:09:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H81v8-0001s8-L3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:09:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 698465A8415; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30917-05; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DD405A862E; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:06:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 956BF5A8415 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30737-05 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D909E5A8538 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-45-2.as15444.net [82.163.45.2]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0JM7EVV003050 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:07:15 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:04:51 GMT Message-ID: <759dd6a74e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.335, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.20, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, INFO_TLD 0.48) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 19 Jan 2007 Dave Symes wrote: > In article <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > >> The latest version is available from: > >> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > Dear Mr P. > > Don't you think it's time we passed a little more money in your direction? Hear hear! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 22:14:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H81yb-1nL000-03-Ccw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:14:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H81yb-1nL000-03-Ccw; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:12:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H81yb-1nL000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:12:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H81yV-00070f-Jr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:12:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 391FC5A7EB7; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31526-06; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 077EF5A75C8; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8042C5A7EB7 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31272-10 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AF005A841B for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H81vq-000Olm-Hb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:09:58 +0000 Message-ID: <7VPizLHyFUsFFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:08:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <6c1fd0a74e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> <45B13A47.8060908@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45B13A47.8060908@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45B13A47.8060908@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >set (italics, superscript, etc.). Originally, I had used a combination >of caps and small caps for authors' names (e.g. Smith, J. --- with >small caps applied as an effect over the lower case letters). So wouldn't you have "Smith J" and apply small caps to the lot i.e. to lower and upper case letters. > The publisher didn't like it. So, I replaced the small caps with caps >using Swap case ... Giving everything in caps. >the CAPS and wants me to change everything to, e.g., Smith, J. (this >time without small caps). If David's new remove>effect could reverse >Swap case, then the task would be very much quicker. Well no, you've changed the document now. All that follows is hindsight. Yes using a style could have made things vastly easier. If you have to change the document then there are things like macros and editing the DDL which might make things easier. I wonder if you can teach a macro to recognise an author name. OP has a case (aka capitalisation) effect, which offers normal, title (first letter in a word capitalised), upper and lower. You can use this effect in combination with small caps. Your problem could have been solved by marking up the names with a style and then applying the case and small caps effects. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 19 22:24:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H823l-1ne000-01-CXm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:24:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H823l-1ne000-01-CXm; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:18:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H823l-1ne000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:18:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H823k-0000tC-LR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:18:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 944355A7206; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00848-01; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 691A55A49D0; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:16:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3F655A72ED for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00715-02 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3E595A71EB for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8231-000OmR-Fp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:17:24 +0000 Message-ID: <91ojL2HsMUsFFwLU@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:16:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >Don't you think it's time we passed a little more money in your direction? No. >Are there any plans afoot for us to contribute to a Save the Dave fund? No. What I need is new users. There are many problems with that aspiration - is the program attractive enough, lack of progress and so on. For now lets see how things go. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H82AA-26I000-01-CRN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H82AA-26I000-01-CRN; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:24:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H82AA-26I000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:24:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H82A9-0005S2-Gd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:24:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D77BE5A7EF5; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02652-01-4; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44E355A7B00; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:22:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CBA45A7206 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02374-06 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E2FF55A7BB4 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76165 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2007 22:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2007 22:23:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XI6vWAYVM1l.XXyJ2rWCLxpW63W3eibN00rQ4AULv34SExNm5EFd3.4XxdpUK2Z7w6i6FXRME1rpmnRRkuJulQzYl8B7zUSJ0OdliODZhp0xKQkudzE7iPvRTISNq9zzxuox.BW6kyY5iY9ZqlznkQ7NZiUI1Fb_ Message-ID: <45B144FD.2030905@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:23:57 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <6c1fd0a74e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> <45B13A47.8060908@ed.ac.uk> <7VPizLHyFUsFFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7VPizLHyFUsFFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45B13A47.8060908@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> set (italics, superscript, etc.). Originally, I had used a combination >> of caps and small caps for authors' names (e.g. Smith, J. --- with >> small caps applied as an effect over the lower case letters). > > So wouldn't you have "Smith J" and apply small caps to the lot i.e. to > lower and upper case letters. No, I only applied small caps to the lower case letters. >> The publisher didn't like it. So, I replaced the small caps with caps >> using Swap case ... > > Giving everything in caps. Sorry, I should have been clearer ... I first removed the small caps and then applied Swap case to the lower case letters only. >> the CAPS and wants me to change everything to, e.g., Smith, J. (this >> time without small caps). If David's new remove>effect could reverse >> Swap case, then the task would be very much quicker. > > Well no, you've changed the document now. ... and so I think Remove>effect would work, wouldn't it? > All that follows is hindsight. [snip] > Your problem could have been solved by marking up the names with a style > and then applying the case and small caps effects. Thanks for those tips. I'll bear them in mind for the future. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H82dE-2QQknw-08-ByJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H82dE-2QQknw-08-ByJ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:54:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H82dE-2QQknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:54:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H82dE-0004Ju-KT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:54:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 877305A8023; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11127-04; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F31C5A7E41; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:52:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33F905A8023 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10840-07 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE0835A7E41 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l0JMru7o016563 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:53:56 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:56:48 +0000 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >What I need is new users. > >There are many problems with that aspiration - is the program >attractive >enough, lack of progress and so on. > >For now lets see how things go. > I get the feeling that you have never tried to push it in the Windows market. Has anyone bought OPW who had no knowledge of it on RiscPC machines? Maybe it's not ready yet and maybe it's not attractive enough for the wider Windows world, but a review in a magazine or two or on a high profile web site might get some new users and might highlight what, if anything, needs changing. Then again, you might not want the hassle of 1000s of windows users complaining about its idiosyncrasies. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8319-4Dm000-01-BaO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8319-4Dm000-01-BaO; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:19:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8319-4Dm000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:19:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8319-00009S-BS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:19:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84DBA5A7A80; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16917-05; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 277EA5A7CB4; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D7335A76EF for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16762-01 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.clara.net (relay2.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30AE75A7726 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.237.113] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay2.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H830P-00048h-9D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:18:45 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:14:02 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com wrote: > Has anyone bought OPW who had no knowledge of it on RiscPC > machines? Well, I told a Windows friend it was the way to go and he bought it.... -- Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:25 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H83Sw-0Ojknw-01-B8b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H83Sw-0Ojknw-01-B8b; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:48:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H83Sw-0Ojknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:48:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H83Sw-000641-C1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:48:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F9875A6EF1; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23464-02; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AF4F5A7659; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B46BB5A791F for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23204-01-3 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CC235A79A6 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l0JNlIhL029269 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:47:19 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:50:13 +0000 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >> Has anyone bought OPW who had no knowledge of it on RiscPC >> machines? > >Well, I told a Windows friend it was the way to go and he bought >it.... > I suppose that might count. It's sort of second hand knowledge :) Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:26 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H83wr-2W2000-05-Aeg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H83wr-2W2000-05-Aeg; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:19:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H83wr-2W2000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:19:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H83wr-0006GL-9V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:19:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3583E5A7DAF; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30772-02; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BF965A7E47; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98C605A7DAF for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30540-04 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0015A5A7973 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0K0ILuT006525 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:18:22 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:16:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows Message-ID: <4ea7e2a621lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <91ojL2HsMUsFFwLU@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91ojL2HsMUsFFwLU@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <91ojL2HsMUsFFwLU@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > What I need is new users. This is the eternal problem. I'm sure we all need new users? You need new users, Orpheus needs new users, Qercus needs new users, RISC OS Now needs new users. We need to expand the RISC OS market, not rely on dedicated existing users goodwill of offering us money (although that's very nice and *most* appreciated). If anyone has ideas of how to *expand* the RISC OS market, then *do* get in touch! :-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) That which the mind conceives, that also must the mind control. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8DdZ-3xXknw-04-9UU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8DdZ-3xXknw-04-9UU; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8DdZ-3xXknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8DdZ-000183-EJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:39:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311E45A8728; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05697-04; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 613725A55CB; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3039B5A5890 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05521-03 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 2A74A5A2D29 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 05:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26794 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2007 10:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2007 10:39:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ue54BSIVM1lJIMzc7iZSqVF3lt3HasPsIoNBvgAZ5__5YAPYfdStb4zwHpc20SwMmU2vm0wA8bZFjhMU5VYDjOgXEjz7lYM2OCs_GSoADn32UpmogBBtFC5EWYoJgRXUcuqv6PFfs3DjZlriMV9.pxXWZ_qOUGqt Message-ID: <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:39:07 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I notice that is not treated in OPW as an effect. Any >> chance that it could be so treated, and included in the new > effect> ... or would I be pushing my luck? > > Swop case is an action - it actually changes the characters in the > document. > > I'm not sure how it would work as an effect or why it is desirable. > Perhaps as an extension to the capitalisation (upper, lower, title) effect? One answer to your question, perhaps, is provided by the different behaviour of small caps between OPW and MSWORD. In both programs small caps is an effect, I assume. But it seems that MSWORD actually changes the characters in the document, like Swap case in OPW. For example, if I type a word (all lower case letters) into an OPW document, apply the small caps effect, then cut the word to the Windows clipboard and paste it into, say, a Thunderbird compose window --- I see the word in lower case (the characters have not changed). If I start with a MSWORD document and perform the same set of actions --- the word that appears in the Thunderbird window is in CAPS (the characters have changed). -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 11:55:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8E4p-1ITknw-06-93E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:55:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8E4p-1ITknw-06-93E; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:08:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8E4p-1ITknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:08:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8E4p-0000KY-0g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:08:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A28685A8360; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11710-02; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70F405A83BA; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B7365A8360 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11499-02-3 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB8665A7EC6 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H8E44-0007ek-K4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:07:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:58:09 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ea7e2a621lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7d1bbbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91ojL2HsMUsFFwLU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ea7e2a621lists-nospam@vigay.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <91ojL2HsMUsFFwLU@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > What I need is new users. > > This is the eternal problem. I'm sure we all need new users? You need > new users, Orpheus needs new users, Qercus needs new users, RISC OS Now > needs new users. > > We need to expand the RISC OS market, not rely on dedicated existing > users goodwill of offering us money (although that's very nice and > *most* appreciated). Perhaps putting a limited time shareware version on Tucows would help. Dedicated WP apps do make it on Windows - I have Pageplus installed on my machine. The DTP app does need to have some form of file swapping ability though - RTF as a minimum and preferebly PDF as well. The reason I bought Pageplus is its ability to import, edit and save PDF files. Submission to a reputable PC magazine would also help - especially if they were doing a comparison of available DTP applications. I used Ovation Pro for years on the Risc PC. I also used the early, timed, versions on the PC but never bought the full version. Why not? I thought about it, but I bought Pageplus for its PDF facilities. As PP makes a credible job of doing DTP as well - and comes with a lot of templates and artwork - there wasn't any point in buying OP as well. However, I am now having second thoughts and will probably cough up for OP as well. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 12:15:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8EyT-34jVbs-01-Gg6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:15:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8EyT-34jVbs-01-Gg6; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:05:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8EyT-34jVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:05:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8EyT-0003oL-Dr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:05:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B27335A7E9A; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24352-03; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C5D05A7D50; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:03:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B7E5A7E9A for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24218-02 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5D8D5A7D50 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8Exl-0007lz-99 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:04:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:03:49 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com writes >I get the feeling that you have never tried to push it in the Windows >market. That is true. My idea was to make it more appealing to Windows users first. > Has anyone bought OPW who had no knowledge of it on RiscPC >machines? Yes quite a few actually, up to 20. >Maybe it's not ready yet and maybe it's not attractive enough for >the wider Windows world, but a review in a magazine or two or on a >high profile web site might get some new users and might highlight >what, if anything, needs changing. I was always wary of the "strangled at birth" effect, building up a bad reputation in other words. >Then again, you might not want the hassle of 1000s of windows users >complaining about its idiosyncrasies. I use OP on Windows and some things scream at me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 12:25:24 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8FCE-3OVVbs-04-GSL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:25:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8FCE-3OVVbs-04-GSL; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:19:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8FCE-3OVVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:19:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8FCE-0001aG-GB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:19:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DFD05A7C8E; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28325-06-10; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D409A5A76FE; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:17:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DA185A7643 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28015-04 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 224AD5A799E for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8FBU-000DIG-KP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:17:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >One answer to your question, perhaps, is provided by the different >behaviour of small caps between OPW and MSWORD. In both programs small >caps is an effect, I assume. But it seems that MSWORD actually changes >the characters in the document, like Swap case in OPW. If MS Word does change the characters then it would not be as good a system as OP, because in general you would not be able to remove the effect - well it depends how clever they are with applying and removing effects, but your example of copying to the clipboard illustrates the problem. >> the CAPS and wants me to change everything to, e.g., Smith, J. (this >>time without small caps). If David's new remove>effect could reverse >>Swap case, then the task would be very much quicker. > Well no, you've changed the document now. >... and so I think Remove>effect would work, wouldn't it? If swap case was an effect then it would work. I've just had a look at the source code, it seems there are 8 possibilities for the case effect, so far four are used. So it would be easy to add swap case as another value. I still thing it is a rare situation, I can see that one might have stuff in upper case that one wants lower case (or vice versa) and the existing upper and lower case settings would do the job. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 14:15:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8GrH-48FVbs-05-EnI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:15:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8GrH-48FVbs-05-EnI; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:06:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8GrH-48FVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:06:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8GrH-0000sQ-1x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:06:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B51FF5A830E; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20835-01-8; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2A615A82BF; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:05:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 480035A818A for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20471-07 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F9195A7FE4 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H8GqX-0006L4-SI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:05:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] !OvFilters 0.01 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:04:46 GMT Message-ID: <6c7f2ea84e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net !OvFilters 0.01 Further to recent talk about Ovation Pro Filters, I have made a storage area for all of these and anything else that wants booting. !OvFilters is best located in the !Boot.Resources directory or anywhere else that is 'seen'. !OvFilters contains a directory where you need to copy all your filters to - see its !Help file. It can be downloaded from my website at http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ on the Software page then go to the 'Ovation Pro Goodies' page. ( Direct link - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/acorn/ovpro/ ) All for now. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 16:45:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8JGY-2G0000-06-CO1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:45:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8JGY-2G0000-06-CO1; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:40:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8JGY-2G0000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:40:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8JGX-0001ba-PS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F1665A81D1; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24851-01-5; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 975655A8223; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:38:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D4965A78EB for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24574-03-4 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72F5D5A7D89 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H8JFm-0004Tp-8o for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:39:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:34:53 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !OvFilters 0.01 Message-ID: <953d3ca84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <6c7f2ea84e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <6c7f2ea84e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 20 Jan, Bernard Veasey wrote: > !OvFilters 0.01 >=20 > Further to recent talk about Ovation Pro Filters, I have made a > storage area for all of these and anything else that wants booting. > !OvFilters is best located in the !Boot.Resources directory or > anywhere else that is 'seen'. !OvFilters contains a directory where > you need to copy all your filters to - see its !Help file. >=20 > It can be downloaded from my website at http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ > on the Software page then go to the 'Ovation Pro Goodies' page. > ( Direct link - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/acorn/ovpro/ ) It looks useful, thanks. Can I also have a think about where to place it: First I do not like putting anything more in Boot that does not have to go there. I have one or two infrequent problems which may only resolvable by reverting Boot to the as delivered state. Second these little applications can be put in any of the root directorys of Apps, Printing and Utilities and like all applications that are there, they will be Booted at power-on or Reset. But there is a limit to the number of applications that can be so booted and I think it is 80 or so - a odd error message appears, which I don't get any mre so can't say what it is. Third the applications can be placed anywhere and then Look At in Boot Configure used to boot them up at Power-On, etc. This takes some time to set up and is not the easiest to maintain. Fourth we now have OvFilters which looks as if it is an extension to any of the above. OvFilters itself can be put anywhere and set to be Looked At on Power-Up. And inside it one puts all other applications to be booted up at Power On. Sounds good. Is my analysis correct?=20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 17:05:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8JZx-39G000-06-C4c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:05:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8JZx-39G000-06-C4c; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:00:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8JZx-39G000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:00:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8JZx-0005Nw-CE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:00:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1189B5A8011; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30508-07; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:59:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D697B5A7FA8; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:58:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7B1A5A8011 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30346-06-10 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DACE5A7B82 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8JZC-0005KG-Db for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:59:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:58:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !OvFilters 0.01 References: <6c7f2ea84e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <953d3ca84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <953d3ca84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <953d3ca84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >In message of 20 Jan, Bernard Veasey wrote: >> !OvFilters 0.01 Just throwing out ideas. The problem (if there is one) with booting a lot of stuff is the time delay due to the Boot files being located and read. I suppose one could do a !Boot file compiler that glued them all together and executed them all in one go. This could be part of something like OvFilters, since OvFilters could keep track of the time stamps of the !Boot files within it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 17:55:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8KLM-0eqknw-06-BJD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:55:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8KLM-0eqknw-06-BJD; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:49:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8KLM-0eqknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:49:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8KLI-00031b-Jv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:49:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F5305A8358; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10627-02-4; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1AE55A81D7; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:47:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EEAF5A7C0F for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10425-01 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F1F15A75D0 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8KKD-000HvD-2T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:48:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:47:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro, DPScan, RISC OS updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've uploaded new versions of Ovation Pro and DPScan for RISC OS today. Ovation Pro 2.77 20th. January 2007 This has the new "remove effect" feature on the text menu. It also has the feature that changes user defined style's scopes removed. It is available from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip DPScan 1.24 20th. January 2007 This fixes a problem with Windows bit map files. The ones using "bit fields" compression would not load. The problem does not occur in the Windows version. It is available from: http://www.davidpilling.net/sc124.zip I have also updated the SPrinter on the web site, it gains RISC OS 5 higher resolution icons. The link is: http://www.davidpilling.net/sprint.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 18:25:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8KsA-1fvVbs-02-AmP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:25:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8KsA-1fvVbs-02-AmP; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:23:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8KsA-1fvVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:23:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8Ks9-0006NP-C7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:23:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 669675A7B4B; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19893-02; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FCF25A7800; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:21:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2A5C5A774F for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19579-01 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62D705A7819 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.253] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1H8KrI3sCk-0006or; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:22:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro, DPScan, RISC OS updates To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:24:01 +0100 Message-ID: <723b46a84e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > I have also updated the SPrinter on the web site, it gains RISC OS 5 > higher resolution icons. The link is: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sprint.zip I do not think that the new 5Sprites files really have an effect unless you change the !Boot and !Run files. But 5Sprites22 contains the same icons as !Sprites22 anyway, so that does not matter too much (except that usually, !Sprites22 should not load the RISC OS 5 design but a RISC OS 3 or 4 design and some think that 256 colour custom palette icon should not be in a !Sprites22 file that is loaded on RO3 systems). !Sprites11 is a bit strange: it contains a 68 by 68 icon at 90dpi. Contrast this to 5Sprites11 (which is never loaded without a !Boot/!Run file change), which has the same icon at 180dpi. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 20 19:05:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8LUH-3WJknw-06-AAI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:05:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8LUH-3WJknw-06-AAI; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:02:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8LUH-3WJknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:02:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8LUG-000398-Vq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:02:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B23F5A804A; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29931-07-8; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 470675A8196; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:00:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA82F5A7BDC for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29768-04 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 806695A7B39 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1H8LTY-0005g0-JJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:02:04 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !OvFilters 0.01 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:01:41 GMT Message-ID: <66ae49a84e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <6c7f2ea84e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <953d3ca84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <953d3ca84e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > [SNIP] > Is my analysis correct? Yes. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 21 17:49:51 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8Ofg-0T7knw-07-FVP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:49:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8Ofg-0T7knw-07-FVP; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:26:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8Ofg-0T7knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:26:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8Off-00010m-6F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:26:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AE165AAF08; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25315-02-2; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 640D65AB0A8; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:24:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EF675A8FBD for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25033-03 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FCF05AB08A for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8Oen-000KRt-Hs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:25:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:25:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro, DPScan, RISC OS updates References: <723b46a84e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <723b46a84e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <723b46a84e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >> I have also updated the SPrinter on the web site, it gains RISC OS 5 >> higher resolution icons. The link is: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/sprint.zip >I do not think that the new 5Sprites files really have an effect Thanks for that. Quite a mess. I have sorted it out and uploaded a new version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 21 17:49:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8QuI-1YlVbs-07-DGn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:49:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8QuI-1YlVbs-07-DGn; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:50:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8QuI-1YlVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:50:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8QuH-0002I7-Iy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:50:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FE785A3357; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31897-03; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E704F5A8336; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B12815A3357 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31692-04 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31D435A6F06 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070121004915.RYUO9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:49:15 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070121004915.WLUG29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:49:15 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:49:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C73CF5.F5D6D620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C73CF5.F5D6D620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, David, When using relative leading between lines of differing sizes, I note = that (for Homerton Medium font) the actual leading is the given = percentage of the size of the line above the leading plus approximately = 0.225 * ( size of line below - size of line above ). Is this how the = leading is calculated? If so, is the 0.225 (a) correct, (b) universal = for all fonts and sizes and (c) arbitrary - or does it have some deep = mystical significance?=20 Regards John Grogan PS: I couldn't find any reference to the subject in the manual but I did = notice a couple of typos in the section about relative leading. In the = first paragraph, it says that the line spacing is 45pt + 20% of 54pt = (instead of 45pt) and in Fig 5.7 it shows the results of this = calculation as 54.09pt (instead of 54pt). John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C73CF5.F5D6D620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello, David,
 
When using relative leading between = lines of=20 differing sizes, I note that (for Homerton Medium font) the actual = leading is=20 the given percentage of the size of the line above the leading plus=20 approximately 0.225 * ( size of line below - size of line above ).  = Is this=20 how the leading is calculated?  If so, is the 0.225 (a) correct, = (b)=20 universal for all fonts and sizes and (c) arbitrary - or does it have = some deep=20 mystical significance? 
 
Regards
John Grogan
 
PS: I couldn't find any reference to = the subject in=20 the manual but I did notice a couple of typos in the section about = relative=20 leading.  In the first paragraph, it says that the line spacing=20 is 45pt + 20% of 54pt (instead of 45pt) and in Fig 5.7 it shows the = results=20 of this calculation as 54.09pt (instead of 54pt).
 
John = Grogan
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C73CF5.F5D6D620-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 21 18:19:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8hHP-2tnknw-04-Dwi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:19:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8hHP-2tnknw-04-Dwi; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8hHP-2tnknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8hHP-0003mP-Bd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A52E85A9BCF; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14010-08; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F1095A92C7; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85C6F5A9BCF for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13884-01 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 313295A92C7 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8hGf-000GqB-B3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:18:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:17:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan=20 writes >When using relative leading between lines of differing sizes, I note that = (for >Homerton Medium font) the actual leading is the given percentage of the si= ze >of the line above the leading plus approximately 0.225 * ( size of line be= low - >size of line above ).=A0 Is this how the leading is calculated?=A0 If so, = is the 0.225 >(a) correct, (b) universal for all fonts and sizes and (c) arbitrary - or = does it >have some deep mystical significance?=A0 It doesn't work in the way you suggest. There is no magic constant. The=20 leading is given by the fraction of the maximum point size used in the=20 line. Lets say that y is the coordinate of the top of the bounding box of a=20 line of text. Then y' the coordinate of the next line bounding box is at y'=3Dy+max_point_size_of_first_line*leading (I think - it is a complicated business) >PS: I couldn't find any reference to the subject in the manual but I did n= otice a >couple of typos in the section about relative leading.=A0 In the first par= agraph, it >says that the line spacing is=A045pt + 20% of 54pt (instead of 45pt) and i= n Fig >5.7 it shows the results of this calculation as 54.09pt (instead of 54pt). Thanks. What is the more damning "I never read the manual" or "I wrote that"?=20 People with pocket calculators eh? --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 11:30:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8lwg-1D0GPo-06-9HR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:30:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8lwg-1D0GPo-06-9HR; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8lwg-1D0GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8lwf-0002Yd-Sr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 173895AA16D; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28652-01-10; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7F0D5A9EEC; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F13B5AA06F for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28375-01-7 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EBC75AA16D for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070121231708.IPJC1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:08 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070121231708.UBEY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: <00df01c73db2$3e777e40$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:16:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Pilling" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:17 PM >Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing >sizes > >Lets say that y is the coordinate of the top of the bounding box of a line >of text. Then y' the coordinate of the next line bounding box is at > >y'=y+max_point_size_of_first_line*leading > >(I think - it is a complicated business) Hello, David, Thanks for your reply. I had been taking [incremental] leading to be the size of the space between the bounding boxes (equivalent to the lead strips that used to separate lines) so that total leading would be that value plus the height of the bounding box of the first line which I think is a long-winded way of expressing the same as your analysis above. This, however, didn't match my observations. Take for example a 10 pt line with 400% leading (or 50pt absolute leading - it doesn't actually matter) followed by a 200 pt line with any leading - each with a capital X. The second line overlaps the first. Using your formula this shouldn't be possible. However, I recalled then that fonts have an "origin" which is not necessarily either the top or the bottom of the bounding box. If leading is defined as the spacing between the /origins/ of the two lines then indeed all is explained. As you suggest, this does make the calculation of the amount of space taken up by several lines of differing sizes a bit more complicated but I think I can now see how it should be done. Many thanks for your help (again!). Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 11:30:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8n2R-4FD000-01-GiC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:30:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8n2R-4FD000-01-GiC; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:27:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8n2R-4FD000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:27:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8n2Q-0007Ne-PY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:27:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A0585AB76D; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13824-01-10; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:26:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CB2B5AB789; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:25:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C5055AB61D for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13621-03 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FE255AB5E0 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070122002705.YOOG18673.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:27:05 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070122002705.LMCO29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:27:05 +0000 Message-ID: <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes **Apology** Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:26:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello, David, Sorry but I may have thrown in a red herring in there. When I worked on the tests for my previous message, the overlapping lines had played some silly games when I tried to change the leading! It does seem to be that absolute leading determines the distance between the origins of the lines but relative leading seems to behave differently. I'll experiment again tomorrow and let you know how I get on. Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 11:40:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8xVw-2Wkknw-04-ElD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:40:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8xVw-2Wkknw-04-ElD; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:39:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8xVw-2Wkknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:39:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8xVu-0002so-Nw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:39:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD0BE5ABD36; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16769-09; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94BF95ABD37; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AD365ABCD6 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16593-05 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F05B5A85D8 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8xUR-000ODG-Ft for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:37:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:35:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes **Apology** References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan writes >games when I tried to change the leading! It does seem to be that >absolute leading determines the distance between the origins of the >lines but relative leading seems to behave differently. I'll >experiment again tomorrow and let Well, you asked about relative leading and that is what I described, absolute leading works completely differently (it is the distance between baselines). 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 17:32:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H8z9w-1Sl000-02-D7D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:32:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H8z9w-1Sl000-02-D7D; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H8z9w-1Sl000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H8z9v-0006z7-Tj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:24:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF8E95ABC5F; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09387-01; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EB785ABAAD; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63FF85AB0C4 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09203-03 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 228405AAB6C for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H8z9B-000Gww-Kd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:23:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:23:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net n message <7252eca84e.arnold@arnold.?>, Arnold van der Heijden writes >Attached is the pdf which, when saved in Ovation for Windows, >gives a filesize of 74 mb. Thanks. >I did some other tests, with jpeg, sprites, without any bitmaps, >without transparacy, but the result is always that the file is >increasing enormously. >So, I would like to hear your opinion about what is happening >here. I've had a play with this. The conversion from PDF to PostScript does increase the size a great deal (about 74 times) I've not been able to find anyway of stopping this occurring. My interpretation would be that the problem is that the JPEG data is turned into a bitmap in PostScript, the loss of compression and the inefficient way that PostScript uses to save files leading to the increase. I'm not sure what situation you are in. If your material is in PDF format then you have no choice other than to deal with PDF files. If your material sets off in ArtWorks for example, then saving as JPEG would be a better idea. I converted your PDF file to JPEG format using GhostScript the resulting JPEG was a little smaller than the original PDF. I think this would be a better approach for files like the example - i.e. containing bitmaps. I have it in mind to offer conversion to JPEG in the TransPDF filter. Arnold - I've reposted the above to the mail list because replying direct to your address bounced. I wonder if anyone has any other ideas? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 18:42:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H943u-35MVbs-08-Gjl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:42:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H943u-35MVbs-08-Gjl; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:38:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H943u-35MVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:38:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H943t-0001yP-OS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:38:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F253A5AC9FE; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25506-06; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B09EF5AC97B; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97D235AC9BA for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25277-01 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DB705AC978 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.130.189] (port=55324 helo=smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H96b2-0006wt-P4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:20:56 +0100 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.62]:1032 helo=arnold) by smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H9400-0006ym-FS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:34:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:24:25 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import Message-ID: <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In mailtje schreef je: >=20 > n message <7252eca84e.arnold@arnold.?>, Arnold van der Heijden=20 > writes > >Attached is the pdf which, when saved in Ovation for Windows, > >gives a filesize of 74 mb. >=20 > I've had a play with this. The conversion from PDF to PostScript does=20 > increase the size a great deal (about 74 times) >=20 > I've not been able to find anyway of stopping this occurring. >=20 > My interpretation would be that the problem is that the JPEG data is=20 > turned into a bitmap in PostScript, the loss of compression and the=20 > inefficient way that PostScript uses to save files leading to the=20 > increase. Yes, but also a simple line of text makes from a 7 kb pdf-file a about 900 kb Ovation-document. So, it's not only the bitmap in the postcript. =20 > I'm not sure what situation you are in. If your material is in PDF=20 > format then you have no choice other than to deal with PDF files. If=20 > your material sets off in ArtWorks for example, then saving as JPEG=20 > would be a better idea. That is a way to handle the problem.=A0It is always possible to make a jpeg ore tiff from any pdf. But I think this is not the right way: it takes more time, the quality of fonts and vector is less, the files get bigger then needed and I guess things like overprint gets lost so the printcompany has to do a precise job. Thanks, --=20 Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 20:42:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H95tK-2gAGPo-07-EuL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:42:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H95tK-2gAGPo-07-EuL; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:35:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H95tK-2gAGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:35:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H95tJ-0001kT-R0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:35:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63E4B5AC516; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17730-07-4; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A7295ACB87; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B16995AC9CD for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17602-03 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from guri.is.scarlet.be (guri.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8F215AC498 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from (ip-81-11-169-126.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.169.126]) by guri.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id l0MKYwk04613 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:34:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:36:59 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import Message-ID: References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.43) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message you wrote: > I've had a play with this. The conversion from PDF to PostScript does > increase the size a great deal (about 74 times) > > I've not been able to find anyway of stopping this occurring. > > My interpretation would be that the problem is that the JPEG data is > turned into a bitmap in PostScript, the loss of compression and the > inefficient way that PostScript uses to save files leading to the > increase. That doesn't make sense to me. I'm not following all the details in this discussion so apologies for that but when you have a JPEG compressed image in your PDF file, you can literally have the same compressed image data in a PostScript file using DCTDecode filter which you can use on Level 2 printers onwards (don't bother with Level 1 printers). So add to that some overhead in PostScript procset code (say 100 KByte max), then I don't see were that 74 multiplication can come from (I suppose the JPEG data is significant larger than the PostScript procset and PDF file structure overhead). So I think somehow you're unnecessary decompressing the JPEG compressed data. But are you sure it is JPEG compressed data in the first place, and not e.g. Flate (ZIP) compression which has no equivalent in Level 2. > I'm not sure what situation you are in. If your material is in PDF > format then you have no choice other than to deal with PDF files. If > your material sets off in ArtWorks for example, then saving as JPEG > would be a better idea. > > I converted your PDF file to JPEG format using GhostScript the resulting > JPEG was a little smaller than the original PDF. I think this would be a > better approach for files like the example - i.e. containing bitmaps. > > I have it in mind to offer conversion to JPEG in the TransPDF filter. >From printing standpoint of view, making a bitmap of lineart based data sounds to me as last resort to work around problems and is certainly not recommended as 'better idea'. First of all you will need to select high resolutions matching the printer resolution for getting the sharp details right (despite that non 100% ink values will be rastered and don't need that high resolution on their own) and JPEG compression will detoriate this also (especially with sharp edges design where you will start seeing ringing effects). So it is matter of balancing between large bitmap sizes and not gettting the best printing quality and this depending from job to job. Lineart based exchange is prefered IMHO as this will allow decent trapping and last minute editing to be done as well (if necessary) and in most cases be much smaller file sizes. The real way forward is to be able to place PDF documents in the program and to output the new design as a PDF file as well which contains the placed PDF file contents. It requires a bit more technology than merging EPS documents in the final PS file... ;-). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 21:32:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H96fg-035GPo-05-E7z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:32:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H96fg-035GPo-05-E7z; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H96fg-035GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H96fU-0004Uy-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:25:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C4D25AD7F3; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27865-07; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 033B25AD89A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:22:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CEA05AD7F3 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27698-01 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CF4C5AD4F1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H96dY-000Mik-Gy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:23:32 +0000 Message-ID: <$yHT69BUsStFFwi1@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:22:28 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.?> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.?>, Arnold van der Heijden=20 writes >Yes, but also a simple line of text makes from a 7 kb pdf-file >a about 900 kb Ovation-document. So, it's not only the bitmap >in the postcript. I don't agree with you there. That's why I wanted to see your example=20 file. >That is a way to handle the problem.=A0It is always possible to make >a jpeg ore tiff from any pdf. But I think this is not the right way: >it takes more time, the quality of fonts and vector is less, the files >get bigger then needed and I guess things like overprint gets lost so >the printcompany has to do a precise job. Good points. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 21:42:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H96p8-0aEGPo-05-DyX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:42:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H96p8-0aEGPo-05-DyX; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:35:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H96p8-0aEGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:35:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H96p1-0007hh-Bd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:35:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9E8F5ADAD4; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29504-04-4; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1B345ADADB; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 978D65AD9FC for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29274-02 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6FBE5AD5B1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H96kU-0002mv-5h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:30:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:31:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea95f0be5louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <98468ea64e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <98468ea64e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <98468ea64e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> > Louie wrote: [Snip] > Internal layering? That does not really mean anything. But maybe what > they mean is that images are split into countless smaller objects that > are overlaid. That is the result of you using images with 256 colours > or less, which you should avoid at all cost when using the RISC OS > PostScript driver. In fact that is one of the main things the proposed > PostScript 3 driver will address. Hmm.. well i have all my bits and pieces set to 16 million, so that suprises me. > Martin From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 21:42:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H96td-1hX000-02-Du2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:42:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H96td-1hX000-02-Du2; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H96td-1hX000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H96tK-00062j-5b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:40:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7263D5ADD77; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30356-06; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51D4C5ADD95; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:33:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C6CE5ADD31 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30216-06 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B9A65ADD29 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H96oe-0003t1-5f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:35:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:34:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , John Tytgat writes >That doesn't make sense to me. I'm not following all the details in >this discussion so apologies for that but when you have a JPEG compressed >image in your PDF file, you can literally have the same compressed image >data in a PostScript file using DCTDecode filter which you can use on *can* have the same data, not *must* or *will* It makes no sense to me either. We're using GhostScript and its epswriter device, that is what appears to be expanding the data. I deduce it is rasterising the JPEGs because there is a resolution parameter, and changing that changes the size of the output file. >But are you sure it is JPEG compressed data in the first place, and not Well that is how the problem was put to me. >From printing standpoint of view, making a bitmap of lineart based data >sounds to me as last resort to work around problems and is certainly not Yes, Arnold has just pointed out the snags, I agree. Suppose though that the PDF file only contains a bitmap in the first place. >The real way forward is to be able to place PDF documents in the program >and to output the new design as a PDF file as well which contains the >placed PDF file contents. It requires a bit more technology than merging >EPS documents in the final PS file... ;-). I agree. I'd be interested if you have an insight into how to use GhostScript to convert PDF to EPS without files expanding them. I had a Google today, and there are many utilities (including Acrobat) for converting PDF to EPS. I suppose one of those would be an alternative - providing of course they do a proper job. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 21:52:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9748-16Cknw-08-DjX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:52:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9748-16Cknw-08-DjX; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9748-16Cknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9743-0001af-Bc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0AAD5AD36D; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32760-08; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8F8B5AD428; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD73E5AD36D for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32624-05 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C9D95AD3AA for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9707-0009bI-Jt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:46:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.ukuk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , John Tytgat wrote: > In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> you wrote: [Snip] [Snip] > ...because the contents is in RGB ? I'm not sure, having read what has been said, then yes, I presume so. > > or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within > > the files. > What do you mean with that ? Well, the printers told me that the print quality was reduced because there were layers in the original files. This caused some of the layers (i.e; Jack!) to be pushed to the back and there fore only appear as grey scale. > > Also, because they were in PDF they were unable to edit the files. > I'm sure there are more PDF editing tools than there are PS editing tools > (supposing you do not mean to use text editors to edit the latter onces). Well, this is what I would have thought, but the new printer, having seen issue 1 and it's files, as well as the files for issue 2, believes that they will be able to help more if the files are sent to them in EPS. > John. aggghhh. I think I might just sit here and cry. :-( From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 22 21:52:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H974F-2Fg000-02-DjQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:52:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H974F-2Fg000-02-DjQ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H974F-2Fg000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H973x-00046X-9c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C92FD5AD4A0; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32549-03-8; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 669EC5AB626; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:44:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 056235ADDFB for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:44:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32361-03-4 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C96005ACED1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H96z2-0009Qm-Jg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:45:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:44:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Foden > writes > >I checked on one of my OvPro documents and was relieved to find all > >text was black only, but surprised to find that !Draw objects had a > >black that appeared on all separations; eg Black text in !Draw. > >Changing the colour of the black to the CMYK scheme within !Draw had > >no effect on the separations in OvPro. > >Only by processing Pictures to Duotone was I able to produce a 'pure' > >black in a !Draw object. > >Any reasons for this? Does it matter? > Draw is an RGB format, all the colours in Draw files are in RGB space. > Yes you can use the colour selector in CMYK space but it just produces > an RGB colour. > There has over the years been lots of chat about extending the Draw > format to support CMYK colours. It has come to naught. > It does matter if you are doing separations. However if you were worried > you'd not be using Draw files in the first place. I think this is what is happening to my files. I've now sorted all the Ovation Pro ones to appear only on the black plate, however all imported images from other programmes (namely Artworks and Photodesk) Show the black on all four plates. Can you just explain what you have done to correct this? Also, I am finding that in the images, for example my contents page, the text is not overprinting. The image is created in Artworks, and then imported to Ovation Pro, but there is a knock out on the background colour where the text should be. How do I make Artworks overprint text on a background colour, and then how to do I make this appear in Ovation Pro, so that when I print to EPS, the black text appears on one plate and the remaining plates are just solid colour, with no white bits? Does that even make sense; a medal to anyone who understands! Cheers Louie From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:52:49 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H97dC-0C4000-05-DAT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:52:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H97dC-0C4000-05-DAT; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:27:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H97dC-0C4000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:27:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H97d7-0000jV-81 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:27:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B72625ADABC; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09155-07; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 902175ADAA2; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB3B15ADABC for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08714-06 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A24F5ADA8F for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H97cJ-0005J9-HA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:26:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:24:44 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Louie writes >Ovation Pro ones to appear only on the black plate, however all imported >images from other programmes (namely Artworks and Photodesk) Show the black >on all four plates. >Can you just explain what you have done to correct this? Artworks and Photodesk are different things (chalk, cheese). Photodesk. What file format do you export files from this in? In addition what colour model are you using in Photodesk? For example you might use the CMYK colour model and export the images as sprites. Do that and black will only appear on one plate. Artworks. You can put an Artworks file in Ovation Pro, OP understands ArtWorks files (assuming the ArtWorks applet is loader). Again ArtWorks files can be in RGB or CMYK colour models (or a mixture). For spot colours there is a button on the Picture->Process window which tells OP to match the colour names in the ArtWorks files to the colour names in the OP document (see use spots in chapter 13 in the OP manual). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:52:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9AK1-4TBVbs-07-ATe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:52:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9AK1-4TBVbs-07-ATe; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:19:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9AK1-4TBVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:19:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9AK0-0004xm-MK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:19:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87D275AE00A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13867-02; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BDBC5AD85A; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A57875AE00A for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13704-03 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from queue01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queue01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 364CC5AE0B9 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070123011830.BSUB1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:18:30 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070123011830.HSRP29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:18:30 +0000 Message-ID: <005301c73e8c$6258d180$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:18:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello, David, Yes - I see now that it was my concept of "baseline" that was erroneous. I thought you were referring to the bottom of the text but it is in fact the line on which the body of the text sits in the conventional handwriting sense with the descenders falling below it. This also corresponds to that which I termed the "origin" of the font. Absolute leading then sets the distance between the baselines. Relative leading effectively just sets the incremental leading as a percentage of the upper line size so we can deal with these two together:- If the determining nominal font height of the upper line is F1 and that of the lower line F2, incremental leading sets the distance between a point F1 above the upper baseline and a point F2 above the lower baseline. It is important to note that these points are above the top of the font by an amount equal to the maximum descender size. Also note that this uses the nominal font height which is not necessarily the same as the font bounding box height (which doesn't seem come into the calculations at all). Then if x = maximum descender height / nominal font height, it is easy to show that the formula I gave in my first note viz. L = incremental leading + x * ( F2 - F1 ) does in fact give the size of the "strip" between the two lines of text. For Homerton.Medium, x = 0.224 which is reassuringly close to my measured value of approximately 0.225. This formula is very useful because ( L + F2 ) is the total additional height actually used when the second line of text is added. Just in case anyone's interested, if the two lines have differing determining fonts with x1 and x2 being the respective values of x as defined above, the formula generalises to L = incremental leading + ( x2 * F2 ) - ( x1 * F1 ) If you're still reading, you may like to know that the maximum descender height for the font was determined as the y0 value returned from font_stringbbox() given all characters from ASCII 33 to 255 and scaled for text of unit height. Some other values of x are: Trinity.Medium 0.226 Corpus.Medium 0.2341 Flourish.Condensed 0.325 so there is quite a variation - especially with fancy fonts. Hope that helps. Given in good faith; E & OE etc. Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:53:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9GoF-3ZXVbs-07-CVw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:53:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9GoF-3ZXVbs-07-CVw; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9GoF-3ZXVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:15:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9GoF-0002jt-32 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:15:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB5E35ADD85; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29828-03; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC0EF5AE42B; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:13:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80B9E5ADF3B for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29657-04 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D00D55AB827 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.146.190] (port=50287 helo=smtp1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H9GnT-0000wM-AY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:14:27 +0100 Received: from cp663098-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.249.22]:1036 helo=ac-zuil) by smtp1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H9GnQ-0006Fl-AM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:14:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:20:02 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import Message-ID: <336ea5a94e.margriet@ac-zuil.> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.?> <$yHT69BUsStFFwi1@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$yHT69BUsStFFwi1@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: tekst & uitleg schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (MsgServe/2.00S) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <$yHT69BUsStFFwi1@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.?>, Arnold van der Heijden > writes > >Yes, but also a simple line of text makes from a 7 kb pdf-file > >a about 900 kb Ovation-document. So, it's not only the bitmap > >in the postcript. > > I don't agree with you there. That's why I wanted to see your example > file. Uhh, you don't agree that a 7 kb pdf-file becomes a 900 kb Ovation-document or you don't agree that it has nothing to do with the bitmap? -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:53:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9GwM-4AoVbs-07-CNp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:53:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9GwM-4AoVbs-07-CNp; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:23:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9GwM-4AoVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:23:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9GwM-0003BN-9o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:23:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E8EE5AE5B9; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31427-01-4; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EE915AE5B1; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:21:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E9155AE501 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31264-02 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 035665AE48D for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 57626 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2007 08:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.69.249 with plain) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2007 08:22:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BgzJxWEVM1n5rwHSfygodE_pvXuudoyTuwK.rFe8q0Ce9IirQNlxEbMU6DedXd_aj6Az.WbyHWui0DnQq_8RYRrq.0IIqP7de1vlKstl76S73qfRmIM- Message-ID: <45B5C5DA.1070806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:22:50 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: > In message <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> One answer to your question, perhaps, is provided by the different >> behaviour of small caps between OPW and MSWORD. > > If MS Word does change the characters then it would not be as good a > system as OP, because in general you would not be able to remove the > effect - well it depends how clever they are with applying and removing > effects, but your example of copying to the clipboard illustrates the > problem. That is the intersting thing ... MS Word (and WordPad) is able to recognize that (its own) small caps is lower case with an effect applied, and is able to remove it again. But to other programs (Notepad, OPW) it appears as caps. > I've just had a look at the source code, it seems there are 8 > possibilities for the case effect, so far four are used. So it would be > easy to add swap case as another value. That would be useful ... especially as it seems to be available in some other DTP packages. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:53:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9IhW-40t000-03-Acf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:53:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9IhW-40t000-03-Acf; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:16:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9IhW-40t000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:16:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9IhQ-0002HP-QL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:16:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA3975AEE40; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20637-01; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4345B5AED60; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6F275AEDA9 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20456-02 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB4CF5AEDA1 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.220.227] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1H9IVs2nRT-0007iy; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:04:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:58:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> Louie wrote: > I've now sorted all the Ovation Pro ones to appear only on the black > plate, however all imported images from other programmes (namely > Artworks and Photodesk) Show the black on all four plates. That surprises me. The predefined Black colour in ArtWorks is a CMYK colour and only appears on the Black plate. I presume you have not used "Registration black" in ArtWorks, which does appear on all plates (both in AW and in OP). If I draw a single shape in the standard Black in ArtWorks and import it into OP, then it is shown on the Black plate only. Try that to see what happens. By the way: You can spoil it by applying a colour processing in the wrong colour model in OP and once applied there is no way to fully remove such a colour processing. If you use an RGB colour definition for the black colour in ArtWorks, then it does indeed show on all plates in OvationPro. However, in ArtWorks, even an RGB black is separated to the Black plate only (subject to the separation curves used). OvationPro looks wrong in this respect. The default colour separation curves (in !ColSupp.Resources.cmyk.Typeset) may be the culprit here. As far as I can see the UCR (undercover removal) curve only removes about 50% of the ink from the CMY channels for 100% generated black. That might lead to a lot of overall ink for separated RGB blacks. If you know what you are doing you can edit these curves. They are in CC's separation curve format and can be edited using SepEd2 (comes with Impression, ArtWorks and the TurboDrivers). > Also, I am finding that in the images, for example my contents page, the > text is not overprinting. The image is created in Artworks, and then > imported to Ovation Pro, but there is a knock out on the background colour > where the text should be. How do I make Artworks overprint text on a > background colour, and then how to do I make this appear in Ovation Pro, so > that when I print to EPS, the black text appears on one plate and the > remaining plates are just solid colour, with no white bits? > > Does that even make sense; a medal to anyone who understands! It makes a lot of sense. This is precisely what the "Overprint" option is there for in ArtWorks. To prevent a shape from knocking out the background, select it, go to the fill tool, click Menu over the fill and line colours respectively and enable "Overprint" in the colour menu. This is an object-level option, so you need to do this for each object. By the way: If you create text in ArtWorks, then it is automatically created with "Overprint" enabled. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:53:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9Ihd-0ojknw-07-AcY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:53:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9Ihd-0ojknw-07-AcY; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:16:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9Ihd-0ojknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:16:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9IhZ-0006Vl-IM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:16:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EEFD5AEE6A; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20706-01; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05F175AED3A; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B67E35AED4E for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20524-03-3 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6F745AEDCD for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.220.227] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1H9IVt2IEP-0007iy; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:04:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:05:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.ukuk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> Louie wrote: > In article , > John Tytgat wrote: >> In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> you wrote: >> > or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within >> > the files. > >> What do you mean with that ? > > Well, the printers told me that the print quality was reduced because there > were layers in the original files. This caused some of the layers (i.e; > Jack!) to be pushed to the back and there fore only appear as grey scale. Sorry, but there is no such thing as a "layer" in PostScript and PDF, so this does not make any sense. Maybe they are trying to find an excuse for their cock-up? If you preview the files you submitted in a PS/PDF previewer you can see yourself whether the image is in greyscale or colour. There is no magic in such a file and objects do not jump around and change. If it displays in colour and they printed it as a greyscale image, then they messed things up. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 11:53:14 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9K0M-4FYVbs-07-9Jp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:53:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9K0M-4FYVbs-07-9Jp; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:39:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9K0M-4FYVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:39:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9K0L-0006NY-QG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:39:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BE915AEE9F; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11111-01-4; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C76475AEE9D; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F2B45AEE03 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10928-01 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47F445AED35 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.220.227] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1H9Jzc1Gie-0006kF; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:39:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:40:33 +0100 Message-ID: <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.> In-Reply-To: <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.> Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > In mailtje schreef je: > >> My interpretation would be that the problem is that the JPEG data is >> turned into a bitmap in PostScript, the loss of compression and the >> inefficient way that PostScript uses to save files leading to the >> increase. > > Yes, but also a simple line of text makes from a 7 kb pdf-file > a about 900 kb Ovation-document. So, it's not only the bitmap > in the postcript. The size increase you see here could just be the preview bitmap in OvationPro. The size of the preview bitmap is not directly related to the file size of the PDF file (only to the page size). However, it is not just that. I have experimented with a simple PDF file containing a line of text and a coloured background rectangle and found out something interesting about Ghostscript's epswrite device: It rasterized the text and therefore the resulting output size depends on the resolution parameter that was specificed. The text was in a Type1 font referenced by name ("Helvetica"), so that should be the one thing one could have expected to never be rasterized, so if even that is rasterized, it probably applies to all other text, too. The size increase with JPEGs is a different matter though. It appears that the Ghostscript epswrite device always uncompresses JPEGs and stores them as uncompressed bitmaps in the EPS. This is independent of the chosen output resolution, i.e., the image is not resampled, just uncompressed. It is beyond me why the epswrite device would want to do that though - the output is labelled as LanguageLevel 2, which could retain the original JPEG data. So, to sum it up: I do not think the epswrite device is really suitable for that kind of task. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 12:02:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9KMN-0EvGPo-03-8xo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:02:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9KMN-0EvGPo-03-8xo; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:02:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9KMN-0EvGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:02:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9KMM-0005ny-Me for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:02:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71F705AB38F; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16516-06; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43BCF5AEE97; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:00:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 043BB5AB38F for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16298-03 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75BDF5AEC69 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.220.227] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1H9KLf0HVj-0004aP; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:01:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:03:25 +0100 Message-ID: <25e5aea94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk> <45B5C5DA.1070806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45B5C5DA.1070806@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX1+df6wVsKnQtUC6eFtMtsgbh95avBrqXiBQBkZIOkPOtR62LJw0XRsp/b7kSLeGUDNIVPlsjl+AswlzYyPzDm3hrobyfX1yl29eEYapmwh+usXb6OwGlVtL X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <45B5C5DA.1070806@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> One answer to your question, perhaps, is provided by the different >>> behaviour of small caps between OPW and MSWORD. >> >> If MS Word does change the characters then it would not be as good a >> system as OP, because in general you would not be able to remove the >> effect - well it depends how clever they are with applying and removing >> effects, but your example of copying to the clipboard illustrates the >> problem. > > That is the intersting thing ... MS Word (and WordPad) is able to > recognize that (its own) small caps is lower case with an effect > applied, and is able to remove it again. But to other programs (Notepad, > OPW) it appears as caps. Obviously, transfer to most other programs is via unformatted plain text, so MSWord has to take a decision there. It decides to export text with small caps applied in uppercase because that most closely resembles the way it looks. That does not mean that the underlying text in Word is in uppercase - and it clearly is not because you can remove the Small caps effect, which restores the text to its original appearance. So, inside MSWord it is an effect precisely as in OvationPro (and MSWord has an "Uppercase" effect, too, which OP does not have). The only difference is that when you save some text with Small caps applied as plain text from OvationPro it is not converted to uppercase. With the "Small caps" effect it is debatable which is the better way. It is a bit clearer with MSWord's "Uppercase" effect: Surely, if the text appears all uppercase, most users would be surprised if exporting it showed lowercase characters? On the other hand, the underlying characters may well be lowercase (as demonstrated by removing the effect). I guess, this is a typical case of the MS mentality: Always do what causes the least surprise to the naive even if it leads to inconsistencies that puzzle those who are in the know. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 14:02:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9M5A-1Kf000-05-FlX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:02:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9M5A-1Kf000-05-FlX; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:53:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9M5A-1Kf000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:53:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9M5A-0003Jz-1b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:53:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE6465AF39C; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13519-04; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B305C5AF3B4; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B9F35AD54F for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13257-08 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 294195AF319 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9M4R-000H8z-GF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:52:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:50:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <628841a64e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4ea9603e4clouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >only. Try that to see what happens. By the way: You can spoil it by >applying a colour processing in the wrong colour model in OP and once >applied there is no way to fully remove such a colour processing. That is a terrible catch. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for todays replies Martin, you've made some very good points. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 14:02:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9M7I-0elknw-03-FjP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:02:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9M7I-0elknw-03-FjP; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:55:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9M7I-0elknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:55:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9M7D-0004fZ-DZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:55:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A969B5AF41F; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14220-06-8; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD2F45AF456; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1655A5AF3F1 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13977-03 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E82B5AF3EB for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9M6N-000HfZ-J0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:54:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:53:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <346f53a94e.arnold@arnold.?> <$yHT69BUsStFFwi1@pilling.demon.co.uk> <336ea5a94e.margriet@ac-zuil.?> In-Reply-To: <336ea5a94e.margriet@ac-zuil.?> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <336ea5a94e.margriet@ac-zuil.?>, Arnold van der Heijden writes >Uhh, you don't agree that a 7 kb pdf-file becomes a 900 kb >Ovation-document or you don't agree that it has nothing to >do with the bitmap? I don't agree that a simple text file becomes enlarged. I did try some experiments before making this claim, however I've just seen Martin Wuerthner's reply, so either I made a mistake or the point is not generally true. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 14:02:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9M8U-0l0knw-02-FiD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:02:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9M8U-0l0knw-02-FiD; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:56:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9M8U-0l0knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:56:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9M8T-00019r-CH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:56:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB28A5AF483; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14700-01; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A95A5AF461; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C713A5AD54F for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14464-06 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CF4F5AF3D1 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9M7g-000I2C-Ip for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:55:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:54:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >So, to sum it up: I do not think the epswrite device is really >suitable for that kind of task. I looked at the pswrite device and it seemed to cause similar expansion. So is GhostScript suitable at all. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 14:22:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9MOq-2i2000-06-FRr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:22:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9MOq-2i2000-06-FRr; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:13:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9MOq-2i2000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:13:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9MOc-0005Zt-QR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:13:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 517765AF69D; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17301-04; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D2615AF67F; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:03:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B3A75AF654 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17193-06 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E0005AF570 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9MGB-000FJh-21 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:04:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:02:53 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01> <005301c73e8c$6258d180$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <005301c73e8c$6258d180$9601a8c0@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <005301c73e8c$6258d180$9601a8c0@PC01>, John Grogan writes >Yes - I see now that it was my concept of "baseline" that was >erroneous. I thought you were referring to the bottom of the text but >it is in fact the line on which the body of the text sits in the >conventional handwriting sense with the Yes sorry if that was not obvious. I recall that when I set out to write Ovation in 1988, I looked in a book on fonts, and it said "12 point text measures 12 points from the top of the highest ascender to the bottom of the lowest descender" from the top of "A" to the bottom of "g" if you like. It then came as a painful surprise to discover that this was not true. One of the key parameters when painting a font (at least on RISC OS) is the height of the font above the baseline. >font_stringbbox() given all characters from ASCII 33 to 255 and scaled >for text Aye and there is another story. Do you cover just codes 32 to 126 or 32 to 255? If I had to guess I'd say that OP has always used 32 to 255 for leading and Impression used 32 to 126. The codes above 127 tend to have taller characters. There is an option on text frames to set how far down the first line of text is, depending on this range. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 15:13:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9NFO-0JHGPo-07-EbJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:13:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9NFO-0JHGPo-07-EbJ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:07:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9NFO-0JHGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:07:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9NFN-0001kp-0w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:07:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 912055AFF37; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30839-04; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1710D5AFFE9; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:05:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A0D35AFFB9 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30675-02 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk (pythagoras.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 035F85AFFAE for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H9NEf-0000LO-K0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:06:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:01:28 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.ukuk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> > Louie wrote: > > > In article , > > John Tytgat wrote: > > > In message <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > or could see the images correctly due to internal layering within > > > > the files. > > > > > What do you mean with that ? > > > > Well, the printers told me that the print quality was reduced because > > there were layers in the original files. This caused some of the > > layers (i.e; Jack!) to be pushed to the back and there fore only > > appear as grey scale. > > Sorry, but there is no such thing as a "layer" in PostScript and PDF, so > this does not make any sense. Maybe they are trying to find an excuse > for their cock-up? Eh? Layers are used in PDF files, just as they are used in Photoshop etc. Some layers are hidden and you will need Adobe Acrobat to access and remove them. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 16:03:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9Nyk-0Yzknw-08-Drx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:03:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9Nyk-0Yzknw-08-Drx; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:54:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9Nyk-0Yzknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:54:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9Nyj-0002Fz-RJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:54:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB2105B00A0; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10633-01-2; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF4175B005B; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:52:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 934BB5AFEA5 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10212-02 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 384C85AFF95 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.220.227] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1H9Ny00zJW-000361; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:53:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <051bc4a94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.ukuk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> In message <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> >> Louie wrote: >> >> > Well, the printers told me that the print quality was reduced because >> > there were layers in the original files. This caused some of the >> > layers (i.e; Jack!) to be pushed to the back and there fore only >> > appear as grey scale. >> >> Sorry, but there is no such thing as a "layer" in PostScript and PDF, so >> this does not make any sense. Maybe they are trying to find an excuse >> for their cock-up? > > Eh? Layers are used in PDF files, just as they are used in Photoshop etc. > Some layers are hidden and you will need Adobe Acrobat to access and > remove them. Sorry, PDF does not have a concept called "layer", nor any specific feature that resembles the idea of a layer. Applications supporting layers (e.g., Photoshop) often represent layers using optional content groups in PDF, but that is a far more general concept. Basically, it allows you to switch any collection of objects on or off. These objects can be anywhere in terms of drawing order. Anyway, PDF files generated using RISC OS do not have any optional content groups (though ArtWorks might represent its layers this way at some stage) nor would such groups have any impact on rendering. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 17:13:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9P7Y-0InVbs-04-Cj9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:13:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9P7Y-0InVbs-04-Cj9; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:07:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9P7Y-0InVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:07:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9P7Y-0002MR-AJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:07:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 032695B08CB; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30410-03; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DAE85B08E5; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:05:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 783735B07A8 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30226-06 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk (pythagoras.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45AFE5B076A for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H9P6p-00039K-7E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:06:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:04:52 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <051bc4a94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.ukuk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <051bc4a94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > Eh? Layers are used in PDF files, just as they are used in Photoshop > > etc. Some layers are hidden and you will need Adobe Acrobat to access > > and remove them. > > Sorry, PDF does not have a concept called "layer", nor any specific > feature that resembles the idea of a layer. You had better take that up with Adobe who advertise the concept of layers in Acrobat and their other graphics packages. Applications which use layers can save them into PDF files where the layers can be accessed and manipulated in Acrobat. Louie's printer is obviously familiar with the concept of layers in PDF files - as any publishing professional would be - and has advised her accordingly. It does, however, seem unlikely that a RISC OS graphics application was able to save as a layered PDF, and the problem is probably elsewhere - but just because a RISC app can't do it doesn't mean that it isn't a facility available. I would refer you to the Adobe web site for further information about how PDF files work and what facilities are available - including layer manipulation. It's all there, if you bother to look. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 19:43:13 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9RU3-1NFknw-06-AMe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:43:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9RU3-1NFknw-06-AMe; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:39:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9RU3-1NFknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:39:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9RTq-0000xm-UC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:39:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A06A95B13BD; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03060-01; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B96B95B13DC; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:35:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09A765B12D8 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02680-05 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FC1D5B136E for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.146.190] (port=60256 helo=smtp1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H9RS0-000778-Jn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:37:00 +0100 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.62]:1063 helo=arnold) by smtp1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1H9RRu-0007cS-RV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:36:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:23:25 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import Message-ID: References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In mailtje schreef je: > In message <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes > >So, to sum it up: I do not think the epswrite device is really > >suitable for that kind of task. > > I looked at the pswrite device and it seemed to cause similar expansion. > So is GhostScript suitable at all. I tried Acrobat Distiller and allthough it starts up it does not proces and place the pdf in Ovation. How should I do this? -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 20:53:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9SWR-2HCGPo-02-9KG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:53:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9SWR-2HCGPo-02-9KG; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:45:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9SWR-2HCGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:45:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9SWP-0002M2-Le for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:45:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77F925B158A; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20097-05; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 943A85B09DE; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:43:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35A615B0C61 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19883-05 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BCA95ACD7E for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9SVZ-0003Bp-9S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:44:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:45:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ea9deb497louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea607976cgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.ukuk> <4ea631eda6louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea960b484louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Ray Dawson wrote: [Snip] > Eh? Layers are used in PDF files, just as they are used in Photoshop etc. > Some layers are hidden and you will need Adobe Acrobat to access and > remove them. > Cheers, > Ray D That's what the printers said- I think that's what they meant, (by this time I was blagging my knowledge as I was completely baffled). I thought that they were bull s****ing, and given the responses here, it would seem that they were. Apparently 'it is not possible for a magazine to be produced professionally on anything other that XP (just wait a min while I kill myself laughing) or a mac', which I have subsequently bought and am no better off! Louie From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 20:53:17 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9Scy-2UIGPo-01-9Dj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:53:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9Scy-2UIGPo-01-9Dj; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9Scy-2UIGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9Sct-0005m1-Ev for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:52:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC8E65B1C46; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21880-04; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2D295B18F8; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D30485B19BD for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21717-02 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D33725B176C for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070123205125.HNMQ9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:51:25 +0000 Received: from dhcppc5.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.53.184]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070123205125.YHFM29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@dhcppc5.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:51:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (19 January 2007) Windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:46:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9rnD8xBQtLsFFwa3@pilling.demon.co.uk> <45B10AA3.7050706@ed.ac.uk> <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk> <45B5C5DA.1070806@ed.ac.uk> <25e5aea94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <25e5aea94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <25e5aea94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <45B5C5DA.1070806@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <45B1F14B.2070606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>>> One answer to your question, perhaps, is provided by the different >>>> behaviour of small caps between OPW and MSWORD. >>> >>> If MS Word does change the characters then it would not be as good a >>> system as OP, because in general you would not be able to remove the >>> effect - well it depends how clever they are with applying and removing >>> effects, but your example of copying to the clipboard illustrates the >>> problem. >> >> That is the intersting thing ... MS Word (and WordPad) is able to >> recognize that (its own) small caps is lower case with an effect >> applied, and is able to remove it again. But to other programs (Notepad, >> OPW) it appears as caps. > > Obviously, transfer to most other programs is via unformatted plain > text, so MSWord has to take a decision there. Not quite accurate. I had a play with Word a couple of days ago. I put some text into Small caps. Saved as .DOC as .RTF and as .TXT and opened each in a text editor (could have been Zap or StrongEd but I chose Textpad on the PC). I also highlighted the text and copied it to the clipboard, then ran clipbrd (the Clipbook viewer) and saved the contents as .CLP and opened this in Textpad. The .CLP file has the text which was copied in a number of formats - ASCII, HTML, RTF, Word binary .... > It decides to export text with small caps applied in uppercase because > that most closely resembles the way it looks. That does not mean that > the underlying text in Word is in uppercase - and it clearly is not > because you can remove the Small caps effect, which restores the text > to its original appearance. So, inside MSWord it is an effect > precisely as in OvationPro (and MSWord has an "Uppercase" effect, too, > which OP does not have). The word .DOC file does indeed contain the text in lower case and seems to hide the Small Caps effect in the binary at head or tail of the file. The TXT file has the Small Caps words in CAPS I don't now remember how the RTF file rendered in Wordpad (and my son is using the PC for A level work just now). > > The only difference is that when you save some text with Small caps > applied as plain text from OvationPro it is not converted to > uppercase. > > With the "Small caps" effect it is debatable which is the better way. > It is a bit clearer with MSWord's "Uppercase" effect: Surely, if the > text appears all uppercase, most users would be surprised if exporting > it showed lowercase characters? On the other hand, the underlying > characters may well be lowercase (as demonstrated by removing the > effect). I guess, this is a typical case of the MS mentality: Always > do what causes the least surprise to the naive even if it leads to > inconsistencies that puzzle those who are in the know. > Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 23 21:33:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9TC8-1im000-04-8eZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:33:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9TC8-1im000-04-8eZ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:28:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9TC8-1im000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:28:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9TC5-0002QO-IS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:28:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1CB65B1D8C; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29849-03; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 878F55B1D7F; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 727AD5B1C50 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29610-05 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F0DB5B1B9F for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9TBL-00086m-0r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:27:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:26:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf import References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <8b7240a74e.arnold@arnold.?> <47cdaca94e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >I tried Acrobat Distiller and allthough it starts up it does not >proces and place the pdf in Ovation. >How should I do this? I guess, something like load the PDF into Acrobat, save out as EPS, and then load the EPS into OP. Can anyone describe how? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 11:30:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9Uz3-41oVbs-08-FOA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:30:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9Uz3-41oVbs-08-FOA; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:23:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9Uz3-41oVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:23:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9Uyv-0007Zh-Ao for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:23:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581AE5B2216 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29733-01 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B3EA5B2209 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5776D5B20FF for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29209-06 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9026F5B20DA for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9Uy5-000F1M-DA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:22:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:22:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Importing EPSs with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I've been following the thread about PDF and EPS import into Ovation Pro for Windows. This is a different, but related problem. I use EPS images a lot with Ovation Pro for RISC OS (v2.77 20/1/07), as a way of importing PDFs and, in the absence (so far) of a composite-CMYK-aware printing system, of including CMYK vector files and greyscale images in documents. Long ago I decided that GhostScript was not up to the job of converting PostScript or PDF to EPS -- apart from anything else, it had an annoying habit of rasterising Type 3 fonts as far as I remember. So for some time I have used Acrobat Distiller on a Mac to convert the output of the RISC OS PostScript driver to PDF, and Adobe Acrobat to convert these PDFs, or those received from other people or exported from Artworks, to EPS. By including a TIFF preview these can of course be viewed as 8bpp proxy images in Ovation Pro. For bitmap images only, Adobe PhotoShop will export EPSs, again with a TIFF preview. Having just upgraded from Acrobat Professional 7.0.8 to 8.0.0, Ovation Pro no longer displays the TIFF previews from the EPSs exported by Acrobat. I have reported this as a bug to Adobe, but don't hold out much hope of them doing anything about it, so unless Ovation Pro can accommodate a wider rang of EPSs I will have to continue using Acrobat 7 for EPS conversion. The TIFF preview follows %%EOF[return] in the EPS file and consists of two bytes, either "MM" (indicating big-endian) or "II" (indicating little-endian), followed by the two-byte number &002A, followed by a 4-byte offset, etc., all big- or little-endian depending on what is specified by the first two bytes. I've put some files on my web space to compare: http://www.newble.com/DOCP.pdf (the PDF file from which the following two were created) -- 10K http://www.newble.com/DOCP_7.eps (DOCP.pdf saved as PostScript 3 EPS with TIFF preview using Acrobat Professional 7.0.8) -- 150K http://www.newble.com/DOCP_8.eps (DOCP.pdf saved as PostScript 3 EPS with TIFF preview using Acrobat Professional 8.0.0) -- 266K http://www.newble.com/TIFF_6_specification.ps (TIFF 6.0 specification -- see p.13 onwards) -- 1046K Both DOCP_7.eps (at address &1004B) and DOCP_8.eps (at address &2D1A1) have the "MM" header, indicating big-endian numbers, yet everything following (as far as I have followed the file structure through) seems to be big-endian in DOCP_7.eps but little-endian in DOCP_8.eps. I have tried changing "MM" to "II" in DOCP_8.eps but Ovation Pro still does not display the preview. I'm not altogether surprised, because I seem to remember a long time ago using a little-endian-preview EPS received from someone else, which /did/ have the correct "II" header, but whose preview would not display. In other words, Ovation Pro does not seem to support little-endian TIFF previews. So the questions are: i) How difficult would it be to extend the EPS TIFF preview decoder in Ovation Pro for RISC OS to handle both big-endian and little-endian previews? ii) If that were possible, could it also make an intelligent decision as to the actual byte order, rather than assuming what the two header bytes tell it? In other words, if the two bytes following "MM" or "II" are &2A &00 assume the rest of the file is little-endian, and if they are &00 &2A assume it is big-endian, ignoring the "MM"/"II". From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 11:30:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9fcp-3qa000-01-DGu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:30:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9fcp-3qa000-01-DGu; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9fcp-3qa000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:45:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9fco-00057c-CL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA53C5B1F98; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17103-04; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9573B5B1DD0; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93ECF5B2351 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16891-04 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEC975B2ED3 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070124104420.YOKB9447.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:44:20 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070124104420.FWKX29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:44:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c73fa4$980fd7b0$9601a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> <00e601c73dbc$08dc4db0$9601a8c0@PC01> <005301c73e8c$6258d180$9601a8c0@PC01> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:44:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes > >>font_stringbbox() given all characters from ASCII 33 to 255 and scaled for >>text of unit height > > Aye and there is another story. Do you cover just codes 32 to 126 or 32 to > 255? If I had to guess I'd say that OP has always used 32 to 255 for > leading and Impression used 32 to 126. The codes above 127 tend to have > taller characters. > A number of points: (a) I should have included ASCII 32 as you do - it is technically a printing character and is not necessarily blank. (b) I should have said "...and scaled for font of unit height" not "...and scaled for text of unit height". (c) I think you have to include the full character set. The bounding box primarily determines the position of the lowest point in the font relative to the baseline. If you don't include all the characters, the last line could overflow the bottom of the frame. > There is an option on text frames to set how far down the first line of > text is, depending on this range. > Interesting point there. I have always used the default "Accent" for the first line - partly because it is the default but mainly because it does exactly what it says on the tin i.e. ensure that the baseline is always in the same relative place and that all characters fit comfortably below the top of the frame. Pragmatic but aesthetically good too! Purely from observation, "Accent" seems to place the baseline at a distance from the top of the frame equal to the nominal font height (plus inset, if any). This gives plenty of room - even for a font like Flourish which has a bounding box height 22% bigger than the nominal font height! Font bounding boxes could be even bigger than this of course but they really shouldn't. Even if such a font did turn up, Ovation has other options which would handle it. I think we've just about done this subject to death now but hopefully some useful reference information has emerged. Maybe even material for the manual??? Thanks again for your help (and patience!). Regards John Grogan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 12:10:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9grL-3Opknw-06-C2O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:10:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9grL-3Opknw-06-C2O; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:04:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9grL-3Opknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:04:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9grK-0003az-GO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8D4A5B391F; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05673-01-8; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9534B5B3B82; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:02:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21A435B3B43 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05362-07 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 893405B396E for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9gqN-0008Kb-Gi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:03:15 +0000 Message-ID: <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:01:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing EPSs with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble writes Thanks for all that, very interesting. What I did was take your two EPS files and save from the TIFF start marker to the end. That should give me a TIFF file which I can try loading into suitable programs. The DOC7 version gave me a good TIFF, the DOC8 gave me a bad TIFF - even Adobe Photoshop Elements tells me it is a bad TIFF file. I believe that OP will when loading an EPS file use the transloader system to handle the TIFF preview. ISTR some weeks ago someone had problems with EPS files which were a result of the TIFF filter not being installed correctly. In other words quite a bit of technology is used on the TIFF, the filters for RISC OS and Windows use the same code as DPScan. It is not just a small TIFF loader that does not understand the MM and II headers. Changing the MM to II does not help - i.e. in the derived TIFF files. Have you managed to load either these TIFF files into any program? or get the preview from the EPS to display in any program? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 17:57:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9ieT-2Ybknw-02-AFG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:57:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9ieT-2Ybknw-02-AFG; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:59:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9ieT-2Ybknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:59:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9ieT-0004IG-C4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:59:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCE5B5B3F93; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06864-02; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBDEC5B3D38; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD0B75B3F53 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06611-05 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 832E95B3F42 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9idj-000AyQ-II for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:58:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing EPSs with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > What I did was take your two EPS files and save from the TIFF > start marker to the end. Yes, I don't know why I didn't try that. > The DOC7 version gave me a good TIFF, the DOC8 gave me a bad > TIFF - even Adobe Photoshop Elements tells me it is a bad > TIFF file. Yes it does. And DPlngScan correctly reports that the verion number (&002A) is wrong. Photodesk just hangs . . . > I believe that OP will when loading an EPS file use the > transloader system to handle the TIFF preview. Maybe, although the !Help file in the OEPS applet suggests that it calls ChangeFSI directly: > > The preview is convereted to a sprite, using ChangeFSI. This > > means only TIFF previews can be handled. The conversion is > > done by calling a function in the file > > !OEPS.Library.!EPSCode; > > int eps_convert(string & from,int ftype,string & to); > In other words quite a bit of technology is used on the TIFF, > the filters for RISC OS and Windows use the same code as > DPScan. It is not just a small TIFF loader that does not > understand the MM and II headers. No, I see that now. And anyway I've just tried a (different) little-endian ("II") TIFF with DPlngScan and ChangeFSI, and it loads fine into both of those as well as into Ovation Pro via the transloader, so I was wrong about little-endian TIFFs=20 > Have you managed to load either these TIFF files into any > program? No, not now that I have tried saving them separately. > or get the preview from the EPS to display in any program? I have nothing else which makes use of the EPS previews. Programes like Quark XPress used to, but normal practice these days, on OS X and probably Windows too, seems to be to convert EPS to PDF (ignoring the preview) then display that using the application's usual PDF renderer. So there's not much more that can be done (apart from a second bug report to Adobe, which I have sent). Of course if Ovation Pro, on both RISC OS and Windows, used GhostScript to generate a bitmap proxy instead of relying on a supplied TIFF preview, then it could import PDF or EPS equally easily, and it would be possible to choose the resolution and bit depth of the proxy sprite just as for any other image. That would only leave the problem of converting PDF to PostScript when printing, for which GhostScript /isn't/ suitable -- but that's a matter for another thread . . . --=20 P. C. Newble Fenwood, Church Street, Stoke by Nayland, Colchester CO6 4QP, UK Tel. +44(0)1206 262946; Mob. +44(0)7944 816266; Fax +44(0)870 055 8343 http://www.newble.com/ =B7 peter@newble.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 18:37:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9mps-0a9Vbs-05-EaN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:37:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9mps-0a9Vbs-05-EaN; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:27:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9mps-0a9Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:27:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9mpg-0007Sk-Nh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:27:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA78B5B4C9A for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08718-03 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB3B75B4D46 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:19:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F14985B4C9A for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08579-06 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11ADA5B4C42 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9mj0-0000XZ-0I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:19:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:18:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing EPSs with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com>, P C Newble writes >Maybe, although the !Help file in the OEPS applet suggests that >it calls ChangeFSI directly: You are right. It is done in such a way that any program can be called from the script file !OEPS.Library.!EPSCode - function eps_convert() to do the conversion. Again transloaders on RISC OS are not suitable but the filters on Windows are. Unfortunately what the code presents is the opportunity to convert the TIFF preview rather than the PS file. It would be quite easy to change things so that you could insert a call to GhostScript here. >it could import PDF or EPS equally easily, and it would be >possible to choose the resolution and bit depth of the proxy >sprite just as for any other image. That would only leave the That is much more complex. Bottom line here is that I could easily let you call GhostScript to make a proxy, but with parameters hard wired into the script file. I take the point about everyone else rendering PDF direct. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 22:17:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9qJZ-0woVbs-07-B6g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:17:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9qJZ-0woVbs-07-B6g; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9qJZ-0woVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9qJY-0003nF-Qr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:09:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 105095B505D for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31764-04-6 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 576765B4EFC for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C22AA5B4D8D for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31461-10 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FDAC5B4F6F for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (62-3-247-221.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [62.3.247.221]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840592B7CB3 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:09:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:05:47 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 16 Jan, Paul Vigay wrote in message <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com>: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > > Without more information this is hard to answer. The problem could be > > nothing to do with OP - might be hardware, might be other software. > > > Of course it could easily be a bug in Ovation Pro. If it is a bug it > > will be triggered by a specific set of actions. > > This is a tricky one. Louie is using OvationPro (version 2.77) on my > Iyonix Aria Cube, which has RISC OS 5.11 on it. I've been trying to spot > a common cause to this problem for several months now. I'm sure it's > possibly an interaction between OvPro and some other piece of software - > but other than disabling everything else whilst using OvPro, it's a bit > tricky to diagnose. O-Pro just does that... :-( I get it, too, with 2.77 on a standard Iyonix (RO 5.10). Some documents seem to do it more than others (it never seems to crash with Archive templates, for example, while a relatively complex newsletter I edit can crash Ovation every other minute if I'm unlucky). I keep seeing mention of a 'known' frame overlap bug, but I've never seen a mention of what this bug is or what kinds of layout to avoid. The newsletter contains a lot of overlaid frames, which I why I'm wondering about it. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 24 22:27:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9qX2-3xqVbs-08-AtD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:27:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9qX2-3xqVbs-08-AtD; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:23:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9qX2-3xqVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:23:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9qWx-0005E0-Sc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:23:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 125CF5B465E for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03080-08 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDFD05B4E4E for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB9485B465E for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02609-01-6 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [62.179.120.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14D9C5B4879 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (really [84.209.215.103]) by amsfep13-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20070124222239.NYZS13454.amsfep13-int.chello.nl@[192.168.1.102]> for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:22:39 +0100 From: David Boddie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:22:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701242322.33214.david@boddie.org.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@boddie.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:04:52 +0000, Ray Dawson wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >=20 > > Sorry, PDF does not have a concept called "layer", nor any specific > > feature that resembles the idea of a layer. >=20 > You had better take that up with Adobe who advertise the concept of layers > in Acrobat and their other graphics packages. That doesn't mean that there's actually a layer representation in the PDF format that's usable to anything other than these packages. Rather, it seems that it's possible to support specific types of content with this capability. The PDF Refererence (fifth edition), describing PDF version 1.6 has this to say about aspects of layering which might be what you're referring to: "4.10 Optional Content Optional content (PDF 1.5) refers to sections of content in a PDF document that can be selectively viewed or hidden by document authors = or consumers. This capability is useful in items such as CAD drawings, layered artwork, maps, and multi-language documents." > Applications which use layers can save them into PDF files where the laye= rs > can be accessed and manipulated in Acrobat. Page 485 says: "Note: The concept of a transparency group is independent of existing notions of group or layer in applications such as Adobe Illustrator=AE. Those groupings reflect logical relationships among objects that are meaningful when editing those objects, but they are not part of the imaging model." Page 776 (on page-piece dictionaries): "Applications can use this dictionary as a place to store private data = in connection with that document, page, or form. Such private data can convey information meaningful to the application that produces it (such as information on object grouping for a graphics editor or the layer information used by Adobe Photoshop=AE) but is typically ignored by general-purpose PDF viewer applications." So, we learn that the PDF specification is rather complex and supports lots of different types of domain-specific things can be done that aren't widely supported across different applications and platforms. > Louie's printer is obviously familiar with the concept of layers in PDF > files - as any publishing professional would be - and has advised her > accordingly.=20 >=20 > It does, however, seem unlikely that a RISC OS graphics application was > able to save as a layered PDF, and the problem is probably elsewhere - but > just because a RISC app can't do it doesn't mean that it isn't a facility > available. >=20 > I would refer you to the Adobe web site for further information about how > PDF files work and what facilities are available - including layer > manipulation. It's all there, if you bother to look. The report of what the printer said sounded pretty vague to me, but I'm not terribly interested in getting to the bottom of that problem. I only responded because you used such a condescending tone with Martin. I suggest you take a look at the PDF Reference and suggest a workaround for the problem. David From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 13:50:06 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1H9sr2-0Scknw-08-8ZD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:50:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1H9sr2-0Scknw-08-8ZD; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:52:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1H9sr2-0Scknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:52:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1H9sr2-0006F8-4V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:52:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4159D5B4698 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03159-03 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 059335B458B for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:50:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 101765B3D47 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03015-01 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C22B25B3C8B for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H9sqI-0003QN-GJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:51:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Importing EPSs with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In article , David Pilling wrote: > Unfortunately what the code presents is the opportunity to > convert the TIFF preview rather than the PS file. Yes, I see the command to convert the preview to a sprite: osclis("wimptask .ChangeFSI "+from+" "+to+" 28r -nomode -noscale { > null: } { > null: }"); > It would be quite easy to change things so that you could > insert a call to GhostScript here. But at this point the TIFF preview must already have been extracted from the preceding EPS, surely? So, as you say, at this stage the only opportunity is to work on the (TIFF) preview supplied rather than generate a new one, using GhostScript's sprite device, from the PostScript preceding the preview. Or have I misunderstood? > Bottom line here is that I could easily let you call > GhostScript to make a proxy, but with parameters hard wired > into the script file. . . . because there's no dialogue box to configure or control EPS import. It wouldn't be a problem for me if the parameters were hard-wired into the script file. If, despite the above, it were possible to use Ghostscript to make a proxy from the PostScript it would have several advantages: i) It would be an easy way of achieving a preview resolution of more than 72dpi. (A tip from a friend who's a Mac-based designer is to save graphics as EPSs at several times actual size, so that their much larger 72dpi previews scale down to a higher resolution along with the image when placed at its original size in a Quark (in his case) document. There are times when it is necessary to see more detail of an imported image than a 72dpi preview allows, e.g. for accurate positioning or alignment). ii) There would be no need to include a TIFF preview in the EPS itself. As recently noted in another thread, the preview itself can, in some circumstances, be bigger than the rest of the file, and this all has to be sent to the printer as part of the EPS, even though the printer itself doesn't use it. iii) In my experience, with four different PostScript printers and four versions of Acrobat Distiller over the years, EPS files embedded in PostScript output sometimes cause rendering of the page to fail. I have never got to the bottom of exactly what triggers this -- the same EPS sometimes prints successfully in one document yet fail in another -- but the error invariably is 'Unknown command "MM"' -- i.e. it is objecting to the "MM" at the start of the TIFF preview, following the %%EOF[return] of the PostScript part. Subsequently manually removing the preview from the EPS (which is easy when using referenced images) solves this, but wastes time. Again, this would not occur it it were possible to dispense with EPS previews and generate Ovation Pro proxies directly from the PostScript instead. iv) It would lead to smaller Ovation Pro files. At the moment a ducument containing an EPS with a visible preview has to store it twice -- once as part of the EPS itself, either within the document or in a directory of referenced images, and again within the document as a proxy sprite generated using ChangeFSI. --=20 P. C. Newble Fenwood, Church Street, Stoke by Nayland, Colchester CO6 4QP, UK Tel. +44(0)1206 262946; Mob. +44(0)7944 816266; Fax +44(0)870 055 8343 http://www.newble.com/ =B7 peter@newble.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 13:50:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HA0ZJ-1aWGPo-07-9NS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:50:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HA0ZJ-1aWGPo-07-9NS; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:06:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HA0ZJ-1aWGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:06:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HA0ZJ-0005MY-Jv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:06:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE0425B5567 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04571-09 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FF935B55BB for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB2345B5567 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04510-01 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 747EE5B543B for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HA0Yc-0003TN-U3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:06:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:59:57 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200701242322.33214.david@boddie.org.uk> References: <200701242322.33214.david@boddie.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Boddie wrote: > > The report of what the printer said sounded pretty vague to me, but I'm > not terribly interested in getting to the bottom of that problem. I only > responded because you used such a condescending tone with Martin. Not at all. Martin appeared to be rubbishing the printer's comments about layers by dismissing their concept in PDF files. Which is misinformation. > I suggest you take a look at the PDF Reference and suggest a workaround > for the problem. > If there is a hidden layer which is interfering with the image, the only courses of action are to either (a) see if you can remove it in the RISC OS application which created it - such as Photodesk or, (b) get a friendly PC or Mac person with Acrobat installed to do it for you. It may be that (b) is the easiest and Paul may have it on his Mac. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 14:19:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HA5KH-2yqknw-01-D90.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:19:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HA5KH-2yqknw-01-D90; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HA5KH-2yqknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HA5KG-0006yp-EI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA1C25B5865 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09923-04-2 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89DC35B5862 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:09:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 750EE5B5873 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09680-01-5 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EC685B585E for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HA5Ih-0005Lf-AJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:10:09 +0000 Message-ID: <1bgBA4BHnLuFFwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:08:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt writes >I get it, too, with 2.77 on a standard Iyonix (RO 5.10). Some documents >seem to do it more than others (it never seems to crash with Archive >templates, for example, while a relatively complex newsletter I edit can >crash Ovation every other minute if I'm unlucky). One thing about software is that it can be used in different ways. Over my career I've seen a few bugs which depended on how people typed or pressed the mouse button. Hopefully we've moved beyond that level of problem, but with a program like Ovation Pro there is such huge scope that any user may be the only one to use a certain feature in a certain way, and that may reveal a bug. In other words what *you* are doing is not normal. >I keep seeing mention of a 'known' frame overlap bug, but I've never seen >a mention of what this bug is or what kinds of layout to avoid. The >newsletter contains a lot of overlaid frames, which I why I'm wondering >about it. I have it mind to sort this out immediately - not because of your email, I'd already started. My preliminary investigations show that it does not occur with rectangular frames. I'm sure the problem is with frames composed of lines and curves, triggering it relies on positioning being just right - to within a 1000th of an inch. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 18:30:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HA9FG-4Vd000-08-9E1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:30:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HA9FG-4Vd000-08-9E1; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:22:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HA9FG-4Vd000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:22:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HA9F0-0002Zy-PK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:22:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C9B5B5B71 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17998-01-2 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B93D45B5B8B for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBE685B584E for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17782-01-8 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A85635B5A5E for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HA9Dj-000By4-9T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:21:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:19:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing EPSs with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com>, P C Newble writes >In article , David Pilling > wrote: See: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/eps.zip This is a new applet that gives you the chance to generate your own preview for an EPS file. See the !Help file for details. I've not tried using GhostScript with it... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 18:40:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HA9Qt-3OT000-07-92O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:40:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HA9Qt-3OT000-07-92O; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:34:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HA9Qt-3OT000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:34:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HA9Qs-0001W3-5y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:34:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BD1C5B5DA9 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21201-05-2 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A8365B5DC6 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:32:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 240215B5D85 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20984-07 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA0DF5B5D4E for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HA9Q8-0000AI-0v for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:34:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:32:24 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Colour Supplement Applet 1.15 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've uploaded a new version of the colour supplement applet for Ovation Pro RISC OS to: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/colsup.zip This fixes a long running irritation. If image processing has ever been used on an image then it cannot be removed. You might thing that this is not a problem, after all you can just set the processing to have no effect - a 45 degree line from bottom left to top right. Alas this is not so because image processing is done in the chosen colour space. For example if you have an image in CMYK space, the default settings will result in it being converted to RGB space, processed and then converted back to CMYK. However well done the conversions can lose information. This has led to people having to search through documents setting the correct colour space for images - after having found their CMYK images not rendered correctly. The new applet looks at the image processing settings and if they should have no effect, the image is rendered with no changes at all. This means that all you have to do is install the new applet, there's no need to mess about changing settings in documents. The Picture->Process dialogue has been changed to show you if any processing is taking place. I suppose that this improvement is creating a trap, if you upgrade, produce a document and then hand it to someone who has not upgraded results may be different. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 21:20:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HABrO-4MAVbs-07-F8P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:20:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HABrO-4MAVbs-07-F8P; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HABrO-4MAVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HABrJ-000118-UY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9239D5B6307 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32055-03-6 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8DC05B6152 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 721EF5B6170 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31463-04-6 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94ED85B6134 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HABqS-000IBR-Hh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:09:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In article , David Pilling wrote: > See: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/eps.zip > This is a new applet that gives you the chance to generate > your own preview for an EPS file. Thanks very much! > I've not tried using GhostScript with it... I must be missing something obvious here, but I've not had much success yet. As far as I can tell the applet doesn't actually call the new function eps_makeproxy. The aliased command ps2spr infile outfile -r300 -dEPSCrop produced a 300dpi (in this case) sprite (outfile) at a bit depth and colour type appropriate to the contents of the EPS (infile), and cropped to the bounding box of the EPS (which avoids any complicated arithmetic involving the supplied bounding box co-ordinates). So I would have thought a very basic version of the new eps_makeproxy function could be: int eps_makeproxy(string & name,string & preview,int x0,int y0,int x1,int y1,string & to) { return(osclis("wimptask ps2spr "+name+" "+to+" -r300 dEPSCrop")); } I've tried this with several EPSs of various filesizes, both with and without previews, all of which work with the ps2spr command in a taskwindow but, given an EPS without a preview image, this still gives the usual grey box and, given an EPS with a preview, it continues to use that. Including a messagebox("string"); command at the beginning of the function doesn't have any effect, whereas the same command at the beginning of eps_convert /does/ display the message box provided the EPS contains a preview for it to convert. So it's definitely calling eps_convert where appropriate, but seemingly not eps_makeproxy first. What am I missing?! --=20 P. C. Newble Fenwood, Church Street, Stoke by Nayland, Colchester CO6 4QP, UK Tel. +44(0)1206 262946; Mob. +44(0)7944 816266; Fax +44(0)870 055 8343 http://www.newble.com/ =B7 peter@newble.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 25 22:10:18 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HACnM-083000-07-ECR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:10:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HACnM-083000-07-ECR; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:10:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HACnM-083000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:10:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HACnI-0004Cs-8f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:10:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF82C5BBFE3 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12599-07 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A1C05BC234 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 199E55BBFE3 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12453-03-7 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5682C5BC154 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HACmT-000KvX-5F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:09:17 +0000 Message-ID: <8DzD2kFLpSuFFwYk@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:08:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com>, P C Newble writes >definitely calling eps_convert where appropriate, but seemingly >not eps_makeproxy first. >What am I missing?! I'll investigate... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 26 11:56:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAD6M-3EZ000-08-DtR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:56:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAD6M-3EZ000-08-DtR; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:29:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAD6M-3EZ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:29:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAD6K-0002lf-QR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:29:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CADEF5BC2BB for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16946-02 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 218E35BC363 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:27:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FBB75BC1F4 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16695-05 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C2EC5BC2CC for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HAD5b-000K0v-C6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:29:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:28:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <8DzD2kFLpSuFFwYk@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8DzD2kFLpSuFFwYk@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <8DzD2kFLpSuFFwYk@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >In message <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com>, P C Newble >writes >>definitely calling eps_convert where appropriate, but seemingly >>not eps_makeproxy first. >>What am I missing?! >I'll investigate... One catch is that the EPS file has to be a "real" file, i.e. you can't drag it from a save box in Edit, it has to be coming from disc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 26 11:56:32 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HADpH-2eX000-03-DAW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:56:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HADpH-2eX000-03-DAW; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:16:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HADpH-2eX000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:16:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HADpH-0003ja-Ed for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:16:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FC395B5E49 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26151-07 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 427775B60E5 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:14:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4445B5E49 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26038-02 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DE095B5DF8 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HADoZ-000Bkz-JE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:15:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eaaf418e3peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <8DzD2kFLpSuFFwYk@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In article , David Pilling wrote: > One catch is that the EPS file has to be a "real" file, i.e. > you can't drag it from a save box in Edit, it has to be > coming from disc. Yes, they were. --=20 P. C. Newble Fenwood, Church Street, Stoke by Nayland, Colchester CO6 4QP, UK Tel. +44(0)1206 262946; Mob. +44(0)7944 816266; Fax +44(0)870 055 8343 http://www.newble.com/ =B7 peter@newble.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 26 11:56:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAJTS-0GrVbs-08-G2r.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:56:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAJTS-0GrVbs-08-G2r; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:18:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAJTS-0GrVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:18:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAJTR-00022D-UJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:18:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E7495BC12A for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31804-07 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 294ED5BB849 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2FD95BBA72 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31553-01 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B9445BB8A1 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 00:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HAJSg-0004gP-GU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:17:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:17:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eab153825peter@newble.com> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > In article , David > Pilling wrote: > > This is a new applet that gives you the chance to generate > > your own preview for an EPS file. > > I've not tried using GhostScript with it... In article <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com>, P C Newble wrote: > I must be missing something obvious here, but I've not had > much success yet. . . . Grovelling apologies -- I've cracked it and I /had/ misunderstood. I had been trying to import an EPS file just by dragging into an empty frame in the normal way. That still uses the supplied TIFF preview or none at all, as before. I hadn't realised that you need to shift-drag the EPS into an existing empty frame, as if creating a proxy from the start for any other kind of image file, then tick the 'Proxy' and 'Reference' boxes in the normal way (except that the options in the menu alongside have no effect, of course). /Then/ eps_makeproxy() is called. Having got this far, I had more problems with eps_makeproxy still not being called until I realised that 'Reference' /must/ be selected as well as 'Proxy'. Having established that, I would suggest the following definition for eps_makeproxy() in !OEPS.Library.!EPSCode: int eps_makeproxy(string & name,string & preview,int x0,int y0,int x1,int y1,string & to) { return(osclis("wimptask .gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sOutputFile="+to+" -sDEVICE=spr -r150 -dEPSCrop "+name)); } (where -r150 gives an output resolution of 150dpi) Mostly this seems to work, but I have run into (apparently) memory-related problems when an EPS which GhostScript succesfully converts without error in a taskwindow seems to fail to produce a proxy image in Ovation Pro. Also, once an EPS has been attempted which GhostScript doesn't like, it the conversion process then fails consistently until the machine is reset. I need to extend this function a bit to include a yes/no confirmation box confirming that the EPS includes a preview, and asking whether to use it. Of course an unreferenced image with a TIFF preview can be created just by dragging the file into a frame but, as soon as you decide to reference the image, eps_makeproxy is used, so as it stands a referenced image using the TIFF preview isn't possible. More elaborate would be a dialogue box to allow the proxy resolution and type to be chosen, but I haven't done anything that elaborate as an Ovation Pro script before . . . From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 26 12:36:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAQD8-1IpGPo-04-9JB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:36:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAQD8-1IpGPo-04-9JB; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:29:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAQD8-1IpGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:29:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAQD6-0006Hu-My for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:29:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E4C35BBCB9 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14970-06 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23A375BC0A4 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:27:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 689A75BBCB9 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14813-05 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34A195BBA0C for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HAQCL-000KCa-6l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:28:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:27:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4eab153825peter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eab153825peter@newble.com>, P C Newble writes >Grovelling apologies All round, I had not realised that a referenced image was necessary. I'll look into it. >int eps_makeproxy(string & name,string & preview,int x0,int >y0,int x1,int y1,string & to) >{ > return(osclis("wimptask .gs -q -dBATCH >-dNOPAUSE -sOutputFile="+to+" -sDEVICE=spr -r150 -dEPSCrop >"+name)); >} I don't like people calling osclis() with a literal string. The thing is that osclis() returns an error message in its string argument. I know that some of the code written by Beebug does the above, but I would write it: string s="wimptask .gs -q -dBATCH >-dNOPAUSE -sOutputFile="+to+" -sDEVICE=spr -r150 -dEPSCrop >"+name; return(osclis(s)); >Mostly this seems to work, but I have run into (apparently) >memory-related problems when an EPS which GhostScript succesfully >converts without error in a taskwindow seems to fail to produce a Perhaps the size of the -next slot - task manager or you could bracket the osclis() above with calls to increase and decrease its size. The fact that once it goes wrong it keeps going wrong might be due to the string point above. Or if a machine boot really is needed, lost memory - eyeball the task manager, dynamic areas down at the bottom. >eps_makeproxy is used, so as it stands a referenced image using >the TIFF preview isn't possible. Easy to fix though with the preview argument above: if(preview=="") return(osclis(...)) return(1) >More elaborate would be a dialogue box to allow the proxy >resolution and type to be chosen, but I haven't done anything >that elaborate as an Ovation Pro script before . . . Not very difficult, plenty of examples amongst the applets. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 27 17:53:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAYsR-20P000-08-9AO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:53:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAYsR-20P000-08-9AO; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:44:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAYsR-20P000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:44:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAYsM-0005uB-O5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:44:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E3C95BD0AD; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17482-03; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A8815BD097; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E90F5BCDED for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17320-02 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECE505BC3E5 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HAYrG-00010o-49 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:43:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:42:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , David Pilling writes >In message <4eab153825peter@newble.com>, P C Newble >writes >>Grovelling apologies > >All round, I had not realised that a referenced image was necessary. >I'll look into it. I've tweeked the EPS applet and uploaded it. Same place as yesterday (and same version number) http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/eps.zip It is a lot more complicated than one would hope. An EPS file can appear in a DDL file, in that case there is no file on disc to feed into a conversion program. There is also the case I mentioned when the EPS comes from another app via RAM transfer. Anyway these two cases excepted you should now have a file to process. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 27 17:54:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAgQv-4Os000-01-A8Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:54:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAgQv-4Os000-01-A8Q; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:49:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAgQv-4Os000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:49:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAgQu-0004UW-Nc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:49:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 121E25BC383; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22520-05; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C68885BC3F4; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2E6A5BC283 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22360-01 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DD245B6363 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HAgQD-000MR6-I2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:48:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: P C Newble To: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:48:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > I don't like people calling osclis() with a > literal string. > In message <4eab153825peter@newble.com>, P C Newble > writes > >Mostly this seems to work, but I have run into (apparently) > >memory-related problems > Perhaps the size of the -next slot - task manager or you could > bracket the osclis() above with calls to increase and > decrease its size. Yes, the greater the wimpslot the more reliable it is. But this is GhostScript's problem, not Ovation Pro's. > The fact that once it goes wrong it keeps going wrong might be > due to the string point above. Yes, since re-writing that line that problem seems to be solved -- thanks. In article , David Pilling wrote: > I've tweeked the EPS applet and uploaded it. Same place as > yesterday (and same version number) > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/eps.zip That does the trick, thanks very much. I can now import EPSs using all the possible methods I can think of: i) dragging a file into an empty frame ii) Embedding a file by dragging it into a text frame iii) Shift-dragging to invoke the referencing dialogue box iv) Altering the filename of an existing referenced file to change to a new file and in each case I can choose whether or not to use the existing TIFF preview if there is one, and, if not, to choose an appropriate resolution for the proxy sprite. > It is a lot more complicated than one would hope. An EPS file > can appear in a DDL file, in that case there is no file on > disc to feed into a conversion program. No, but since the proxy isn't created by the usual method that's unavoidable. It's a minor point, I would say > There is also the case I mentioned when the EPS comes from > another app via RAM transfer. Well, some applications handle that better than others on RISC OS, so it's not something that I would be relying on -- it would be nice to be able to import JPEGs be dragging them from an ftp window, for instance, but I can't do that so it's not something I'd try with an EPS either. I suppose it's similar to the problem that came up recently (in the context of OPW) of referencing an image which has been imported via a transfilter. If it has been through a transfilter then Ovation Pro itself only sees a temporary filename rather than a real, permanent file, so can't reference it > Anyway these two cases excepted you should now have a file to > process. Much appreciated, thanks. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 27 21:33:16 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAv7z-27TGPo-05-CUO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:33:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAv7z-27TGPo-05-CUO; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:30:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAv7z-27TGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:30:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAv7z-00023h-7y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:30:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F6E05B6155; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27882-05; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AF2B5BE3D3; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:28:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 327C65B6155 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27657-02 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F38475BCCC8 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HAv7I-0009Cs-45 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:29:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:28:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com>, P C Newble writes >OS, so it's not something that I would be relying on -- it would >be nice to be able to import JPEGs be dragging them from an ftp >window, for instance Is that an Ovation Problem, or to do with FTP? I would guess that OP can load JPEGs via RAM transfer or a scrap file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 11:25:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAwQn-1qI000-06-BBa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:25:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAwQn-1qI000-06-BBa; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:53:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAwQn-1qI000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:53:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAwQm-0002aR-BX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:53:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1AE75BC9EB; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19940-01; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F1EB5BCCE8; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 448185BCA8D for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19702-04 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1036F5BC921 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HAwQ3-0001IW-Dn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:53:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:52:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com>, P C Newble > writes > >OS, so it's not something that I would be relying on -- it would > >be nice to be able to import JPEGs be dragging them from an ftp > >window, for instance > Is that an Ovation Problem, or to do with FTP? > I would guess that OP can load JPEGs via RAM transfer or a scrap > file. I have just tried a few tests. Using FTPc with one of my own sites. 1. Opro quietly ignores any JPEG files dragged directly from the FTPc window. 2. TechWriter also fails but gives an error message about not being able to load the file from Wimp$Scrap. 3. Zap loads the jpg int a text window 4. DPlingScan ignores the drag 5. SwiftJPEG loads and displays the file dragged directly from FTPc window. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 11:25:55 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HAxpF-3riknw-03-9n8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:25:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HAxpF-3riknw-03-9n8; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:23:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HAxpF-3riknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:23:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HAxpE-0006Bp-Q0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:23:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 813BA5BD7D7; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11126-03-2; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07FC85BDFC3; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F6215BD9F8 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10848-05 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 511435BD7B8 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HAxoW-0005dU-JL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:22:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:21:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eac01cd2eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > I have just tried a few tests. > Using FTPc with one of my own sites. > 1. Opro quietly ignores any JPEG files dragged directly from the FTPc > window. So do PrivateEye and Variations. > 2. TechWriter also fails but gives an error message about not being > able to load the file from Wimp$Scrap. > 3. Zap loads the jpg int a text window StrongED loads the JPEG and displays in dump mode. > 4. DPlingScan ignores the drag > 5. SwiftJPEG loads and displays the file dragged directly from FTPc > window. So do Photodesk, Thump and Netsurf (via .FTPc), but Oregano 2 fails to find the file in scrap. Paint 1.96 on the Iyonix gives an error - File type of 'x__' not recognised. Interesting. Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 11:25:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HB4N4-1XN000-04-Blp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:25:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HB4N4-1XN000-04-Blp; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:22:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HB4N4-1XN000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:22:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HB4N4-0007T2-6s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:22:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AE885BE89C; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15412-03; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E68035BE835; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:20:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1D625BE2D6 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15289-04 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4F6E5BDE7F for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.11]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2007 07:21:53 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAObdu0XUSnIL/2dsb2JhbAA Received: from [88.105.223.64] (port=10222 helo=dave.nom) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HB4MK-0005Cb-Tm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:21:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) Message-ID: <4eac275d4ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eac01cd2eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4eac01cd2eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4eac01cd2eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > I have just tried a few tests. > > Using FTPc with one of my own sites. > > 1. Opro quietly ignores any JPEG files dragged directly from the FTPc > > window. > So do PrivateEye and Variations. > > 2. TechWriter also fails but gives an error message about not being > > able to load the file from Wimp$Scrap. > > 3. Zap loads the jpg int a text window > StrongED loads the JPEG and displays in dump mode. > > 4. DPlingScan ignores the drag > > 5. SwiftJPEG loads and displays the file dragged directly from FTPc > > window. > So do Photodesk, Thump and Netsurf (via .FTPc), but > Oregano 2 fails to find the file in scrap. > Paint 1.96 on the Iyonix gives an error - File type of 'x__' not > recognised. > Interesting. > Evan. Interesting... Must try this on RO Select 4.39. Paint 2.56 will not load. Reporting "Paint cannot load this type of file." Even though it is a legit Jpeg. Draw 2.27 again a Select 4.39 version *will* load the same Jpeg dragged from FTPc. Vector 1.50 will load the dragged from FTPc Jpeg. Draw+ will not load it. ProArt24 will not load it, just ignores the drag. PhotoDesk 3.04 will load it. Studio24 Pro 2.13 will load it. Thump 1.47 will load it. Now to the browsers: Netsurf (09 Jan 2007) will load. Oregano (2 2.18 rev.3) will not load (Attempted, failed and but Put up error detail) Oregano 1 (V1.10 (js) Will load. Fresco 2.13 Will not load if dropped onto icon bar icon, but will load if dragged to an open Fresco window. WebsterXL attempted, but failed at the display. Imp Publisher 4.13 catastrophic failure, needed Alt-Break to exit. OvPro as reported. MS-Windows OvPro 2.92 loads okay Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 11:26:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HB6C4-1uk000-05-9wp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:26:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HB6C4-1uk000-05-9wp; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:19:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HB6C4-1uk000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:19:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HB6C4-0000BE-29 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:19:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B7AD5BDF6D; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06655-03; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B28D25BE1AC; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:17:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50EB05BDF6D for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06534-04 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D488C5BDE32 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l0S9IUU8027115 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:18:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro intermittent crashes? Message-ID: <4eac32fac1lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I /think/ I may have found a cause of Louie's random crashes but I'm a bit puzzled so wonder if anyone else who's been having odd crashes with OvPro might be able to shed some light on.....? I've located what appears to be a corrupted font on the Iyonix, which although it appears to display ok, has none the less resulted in no crashes so far, since I moved it out of the !Fonts directory. It was the "Walrod" font (originally from Harry Decker I think). I removed it a couple of days ago and Louie says the machine has not crashed since, so I wonder if something odd about this font was causing problems? Viewing it in !FontEd displayed a weird 'blob' obscuring part of the "A" character (although A appeared fine on screen!!). Using FontEd, I've now corrected the font so that it appears and loads correctly into FontEd so I may re-install and see if the crashes reappear or anything. However, I was wondering if anyone else with the Walrod font is suffering from the odd, unexpected crash - in which case it might be worth also removing it to see if any improved reliability is observed..... Thought this may interest peeps. Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) Some people are only alive because it's illegal to shoot them. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 14:15:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBAhP-2fjGPo-07-Dy0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:15:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBAhP-2fjGPo-07-Dy0; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:08:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBAhP-2fjGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:08:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBAhP-0004aK-4q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:08:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36D975BEABB; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10273-01-3; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE6CE5BEAD3; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 499615BEA7D for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10058-03 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13C125BE852 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from helvellyn (84-12-195-27.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [84.12.195.27]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA9A2B8F77 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:07:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:06:53 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet Message-ID: References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <1bgBA4BHnLuFFwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1bgBA4BHnLuFFwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 25 Jan, David Pilling wrote in message <1bgBA4BHnLuFFwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk>: > In message <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt > writes > > > I get it, too, with 2.77 on a standard Iyonix (RO 5.10). Some > > documents seem to do it more than others (it never seems to crash with > > Archive templates, for example, while a relatively complex newsletter > > I edit can crash Ovation every other minute if I'm unlucky). > > One thing about software is that it can be used in different ways. Over > my career I've seen a few bugs which depended on how people typed or > pressed the mouse button. Hopefully we've moved beyond that level of > problem, but with a program like Ovation Pro there is such huge scope > that any user may be the only one to use a certain feature in a certain > way, and that may reveal a bug. As a software author, I'm all too well aware of that. > In other words what *you* are doing is not normal. Again, I appreciate that, but it doesn't reduce the problem in any way. The fact that the problem reappears even if I rebuild the layout from a new, blank document suggests that it isn't /that/ specific a problem. Sadly, there's no repeatable set of actions that will trigger a crash. > > I keep seeing mention of a 'known' frame overlap bug, but I've never > > seen a mention of what this bug is or what kinds of layout to avoid. > > The newsletter contains a lot of overlaid frames, which I why I'm > > wondering about it. > > I have it mind to sort this out immediately - not because of your email, > I'd already started. My preliminary investigations show that it does not > occur with rectangular frames. I'm sure the problem is with frames > composed of lines and curves, triggering it relies on positioning being > just right - to within a 1000th of an inch. Could the problem also affect frames which once contained lines and curves, but have been returned to rectangular (or, at least, now consist of four right-angled lines)? If not, I suspect that I'm not seeing the same problem. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 14:25:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBAqs-03c000-07-DoX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:25:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBAqs-03c000-07-DoX; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBAqs-03c000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBAqr-0003No-Hv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 610095BE419; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12972-01; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 328045BD247; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:15:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 379955BE245 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12620-05-10 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D25F5BE31F for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1HBAq8-0002H9-1E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:17:04 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro intermittent crashes? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:16:52 GMT Message-ID: <0d4b4eac4e.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4eac32fac1lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4eac32fac1lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eac32fac1lists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > I /think/ I may have found a cause of Louie's random crashes but I'm a bit > puzzled so wonder if anyone else who's been having odd crashes with OvPro > might be able to shed some light on.....? > > I've located what appears to be a corrupted font on the Iyonix, which > although it appears to display ok, has none the less resulted in no crashes > so far, since I moved it out of the !Fonts directory. > > It was the "Walrod" font (originally from Harry Decker I think). I removed > it a couple of days ago and Louie says the machine has not crashed since, > so I wonder if something odd about this font was causing problems? > > Viewing it in !FontEd displayed a weird 'blob' obscuring part of the "A" > character (although A appeared fine on screen!!). Using FontEd, I've now > corrected the font so that it appears and loads correctly into FontEd so I > may re-install and see if the crashes reappear or anything. > > However, I was wondering if anyone else with the Walrod font is suffering > from the odd, unexpected crash - in which case it might be worth also > removing it to see if any improved reliability is observed..... I don't have the Walrod font but I occasionally get OvPro crashing. Using: ----- Iyonix PC with RISC OS 5.11 rel 3 and 512MB memory Ovation Pro 2.77 20 Jan 2007 All for now. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 16:46:04 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBD1Y-0YWknw-07-Bdr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:46:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBD1Y-0YWknw-07-Bdr; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:37:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBD1Y-0YWknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:37:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBD1Y-0001FZ-I9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:37:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99D475BE5F8; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16027-04; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 781F35BE58A; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AE3A5BE5F8 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15752-03 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECE195BE4CA for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HBD0r-0001Cm-Bm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:36:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:35:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet References: <4ea5c82c40louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <4ea6315ea8lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4ae169aa4e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <1bgBA4BHnLuFFwIh@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Steve Fryatt writes >Could the problem also affect frames which once contained lines and >curves, but have been returned to rectangular (or, at least, now consist >of four right-angled lines)? If not, I suspect that I'm not seeing the >same problem. In OP four lines which make up a rectangle are different to a rectangular frame. The Object->Shape menu gives you a choice of rectangle or regular polygon with four sides. It is fairly easy to see the difference because you can't use the path edit tool on rectangular frames. I probably over did it with my previous comments, I just meant that there are many causes of bugs. Sometimes what causes a problem for one person is something which no one else ever sees. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 16:46:05 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBD8n-3jh000-01-BWc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:46:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBD8n-3jh000-01-BWc; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:44:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBD8n-3jh000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:44:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBD8l-0002Tq-Pn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:44:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B779B5BE13E; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18204-01-8; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 770815BE326; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:42:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A9415BC290 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17916-03 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDF155BE01B for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HBD83-0006ed-0m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:43:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:42:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: with TIFF preview (Ovation Pro for RISC OS) References: <4ea9ed0d9cmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <+EUzHhBZq0tFFwBK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4eaa3d3e6dpeter@newble.com> <4eaa7915eepeter@newble.com> <4eaae88bd3peter@newble.com> <4eab153825peter@newble.com> <4eab9be4b1peter@newble.com> <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4eac01cd2eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <4eac275d4ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4eac275d4ddfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4eac275d4ddfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >In article <4eac01cd2eevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, > Evan Clark wrote: >> In article <4eabf9b1fcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, >> Chris Johnson wrote: > >> > I have just tried a few tests. >> > Using FTPc with one of my own sites. Interesting results on loading JPEGs. They don't amount to placing the blame on OP. On the other hand the file transfer protocol is complex and it is easy to get things wrong - I have done in the past. I'm guessing that FTPc has to do something non-standard because of the context. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 18:16:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBEQV-1wHknw-01-AEu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:16:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBEQV-1wHknw-01-AEu; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:06:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBEQV-1wHknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:06:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBEQS-0006bC-1X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:06:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B5715BED9F; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08797-02; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02D335BEE1B; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 643E85BED9F for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08558-01-7 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB4165BEDC6 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HBEPh-00093P-48 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:04:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.92 (27th. January 2007) Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, A new version of Ovation Pro for Windows at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe This just echoes the changes to the Colour Supplement and EPS applets for RISC OS during last week. You could seek out the applets and download/install them, I'd say it was easier to update the whole program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 28 19:36:12 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBFix-4W0knw-04-8wS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:36:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBFix-4W0knw-04-8wS; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:29:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBFix-4W0knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:29:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBFix-0000Zn-6t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:29:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 404325BE67E for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30505-03-5 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD4965BE516 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A79C15BD503 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30335-03 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E9025BE2E7 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HBFiG-000Jup-9l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:29:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:29:58 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (27th. January 2007) Windows Message-ID: <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >Hi, > >A new version of Ovation Pro for Windows at: > >http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > >This just echoes the changes to the Colour Supplement and EPS applets >for RISC OS during last week. > >You could seek out the applets and download/install them, I'd say it was >easier to update the whole program. > > David I'm on 2.76 Risc OS..... how much do I need to send you to U[grade to latest version? David Mills No 3104 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 29 12:08:11 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBIO1-2b7GPo-07-Enu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:08:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBIO1-2b7GPo-07-Enu; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:20:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBIO1-2b7GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:20:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBIO1-0004F7-J7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:20:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 687585BE2E5 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09119-02 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A2E95BDD8B for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC39D5BE2E5 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08930-04 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AAA95BE332 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HBINJ-0002L1-Df for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:19:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:18:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (27th. January 2007) Windows References: <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk>, David W Mills writes >I'm on 2.76 Risc OS..... how much do I need to send you to U[grade to latest >version? If you want to "upgrade" to the Windows version then the price is ukp 60 and you can order via my web site. If you're just looking at the version numbers and thinking 2.76 is a lot smaller than 2.92, about a year ago I inserted a gap between the Windows and RISC OS versions, so that people wouldn't be able to compare the version numbers... Latest RISC OS version is 2.77 (20th. January 2007) and you can upgrade for free from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 29 12:08:45 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBTUT-4N1knw-05-CDy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:08:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBTUT-4N1knw-05-CDy; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:11:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBTUT-4N1knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:11:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBTUR-0007CZ-JB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:11:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7549F5BF8FB for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14713-05 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BB335BF203 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2F4F5BF8FB for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14480-05 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42CD95BF620 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 05:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.220.9] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1HBTTj49GN-0005sH; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:11:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Layout sheet To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:11:56 +0100 Message-ID: <3ab4bbac4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <200701242322.33214.david@boddie.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9W9N5QsF2vVvyz+iVlcnlKHhTRjCE65RSgvFz9qAMqcl0OgBHJV0X/rHetnqc9SZXuDMUlKPsW4a7S7u9DWUAU+YrYWQy4MHClrKQjw3xkWWfwzL6lrI3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Ray Dawson wrote: > David Boddie wrote: > >> The report of what the printer said sounded pretty vague to me, but I'm >> not terribly interested in getting to the bottom of that problem. I only >> responded because you used such a condescending tone with Martin. > > Not at all. Martin appeared to be rubbishing the printer's comments about > layers by dismissing their concept in PDF files. Which is misinformation. My information was based on the PDF specification. To the best of my knowledge there is no other authoritative source of information about the PDF format. Furthermore, I spent a lot of time researching and composing the message that you call "misinformation". I will not continue commenting on this topic here - it is not really relevant to this list. >> I suggest you take a look at the PDF Reference and suggest a workaround >> for the problem. >> > If there is a hidden layer which is interfering with the image, the only > courses of action are to either (a) see if you can remove it in the RISC > OS application which created it - such as Photodesk or, (b) get a friendly > PC or Mac person with Acrobat installed to do it for you. > > It may be that (b) is the easiest and Paul may have it on his Mac. I suggest avoiding such a waste of time. Instead, it would be a good idea to find out what the problem really is. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 29 17:57:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBacZ-2tU000-02-DcO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:57:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBacZ-2tU000-02-DcO; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:48:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBacZ-2tU000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:48:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBacP-0005Wq-5R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:48:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E5785C14D3 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03447-05 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6B175C147A for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24C5F5C06BC for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03333-02 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4570D5C1457 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.134) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 458247CF006C1171 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:38:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Leading calculation for lines of differing sizes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:38:51 +0100 Message-ID: <2e9fe4ac4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <001401c73cf5$f73a0fa0$9601a8c0@PC01> "John Grogan" wrote: > Hello, David, > > When using relative leading between lines of differing sizes, I note > that (for Homerton Medium font) the actual leading is the given > percentage of the size of the line above the leading plus > approximately 0.225 * ( size of line below - size of line above ). Is > this how the leading is calculated? If so, is the 0.225 (a) correct, > (b) universal for all fonts and sizes and (c) arbitrary - or does it > have some deep mystical significance? I refer to other mailings. > PS: I couldn't find any reference to the subject in the manual but I > did notice a couple of typos in the section about relative leading. > In the first paragraph, it says that the line spacing is 45pt + 20% of > 54pt (instead of 45pt) and in Fig 5.7 it shows the results of this > calculation as 54.09pt (instead of 54pt). Interesting and correctly observed. Different to my initial text file. I cannot trace the origin of these faults but now observe the following: 1) The 1st paragraph should have stated " .... 45pt + 20% of 45pt gives 54pt." As it is now the document 05_Format is corrupt. Trying to use CS_Q to change the 54 to 45 leads to miniature 5 and a disappearing 4. You can reverse this and 54 appears again. I have the manual as a single document. If in this document I try to proceed as stated in the preceding paragraph, OvationPro hangs. One needs Alt-Break (on the Iyonix) to regain control of the computer. So somewhere something went wrong with the production of paragraph 5. Sorry about that. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 30 11:44:42 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1HBexJ-23b000-02-9He.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:44:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1HBexJ-23b000-02-9He; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:26:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1HBexJ-23b000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:26:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1HBexI-0000oA-7g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:26:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F18F5C0F0E for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07151-08 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8B0A5C147F for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 475A15C152E for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07003-03 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 158FD5C1428 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HBewX-0004Fx-GB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:25:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:25:28 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.92 (27th. January 2007) Windows Message-ID: <79dcfeac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 191 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >In message <53f56aac4e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk>, David W Mills > writes >>I'm on 2.76 Risc OS..... how much do I need to send you to U[grade to latest >>version? > >If you want to "upgrade" to the Windows version then the price is ukp 60 >and you can order via my web site. Not yet.....I don't have my own Windows machine and school have their headfs in the mickys. mud still...and I retire end of March. when you could well get your 60GBP;-) > [snip] > >Latest RISC OS version is 2.77 (20th. January 2007) and you can upgrade >for free from: > >http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > > > Thanks! Done that now! Still the best and easiest DTP programme I know! David m