From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:25:05 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:25:05 +0200 Message-ID: <7a9c1c304e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > >> I would be very interested to know if something similar exists for the >> windows version. > >> JohnvV > > Try Resource Hacker. > http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/ > Thank you. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:54:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:54:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I've only just caught up with this thread, so sorry for the delay. Clive Bonsall wrote: > The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK > brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) > ignored". FYI: Tag 700 = XML packet containing XMP metadata. Tag 34665 = A pointer to the Exif IFD. > What causes the warnings -- is this expected behaviour with TIFF files? As David has explained, TIFFs contain tags that allow all sorts of extra data to be included within the file. When programs get a TIFF file to deal with, there will be a certain number of tags that they will recognise and some they won't. How the image/output may be affected by those tags depends on what the tags are. For example, if your TIFF, saved from Photoshop, contains colour profile data, is then processed by an application that ignores that profile then final output when printed may be effected from what you were expecting. > I find I can save the pictures (line art) out of OPW as Draw files and > get round the "warnings" problem, but the files are just as big (if not > bigger) as the original TIFFs. The reason they are bigger than the original TIFFs is that they won't have any LZW compression. Out of interest, you say these pictures are line art - so have they been created at 1bpp colour depth? If not, and they are say at 24bpp, then you have images that are excessive in size for the data they need to contain. The reason I ask, is because of the tag that contains the Exif IFD pointer, which suggests to me that the image may have originated from a 8 or 24bpp JPEG. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:01:08 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:01:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> <7a9c1c304e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <7a9c1c304e.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I keep forgetting to answer this thread. On Windows it is very difficult to avoid the child - parent model of windows. The style palette position relative to the document window is automatically stored. So if you want to position it relative to the document window there's nothing more to do. Changing the position in the "templates" (Reshacker etc) won't have any effect. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:11:35 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:11:35 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 334 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Gavin Crawford wrote: > I've only just caught up with this thread, so sorry for the delay. > > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK >> brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) >> ignored". > > FYI: > Tag 700 = XML packet containing XMP metadata. > Tag 34665 = A pointer to the Exif IFD. Thanks for this ... >> What causes the warnings -- is this expected behaviour with TIFF files? > > As David has explained, TIFFs contain tags that allow all sorts of extra > data to be included within the file... [snip] ... and this. > Out of interest, you say these pictures are line art - so have they > been created at 1bpp colour depth? If not, and they are say at 24bpp, > then you have images that are excessive in size for the data they need > to contain. The reason I ask, is because of the tag that contains > the Exif IFD pointer, which suggests to me that the image may have > originated from a 8 or 24bpp JPEG. They are 8bpp grayscale images, scanned at 1200dpi in Photoshop CS2. Interestingly, neither OvPro nor AW2 will import the TIFF files ("File could not be converted") altho' TranTiff+ is installed. They have to be converted to sprite files using DPIngScan, first. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:35:21 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:35:21 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 335 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Interestingly, neither OvPro nor AW2 will import the TIFF files ("File >could not be converted") altho' TranTiff+ is installed. They have to be >converted to sprite files using DPIngScan, first. That's interesting. After the last burst of upgrading the TIFF code, both RISC OS and Windows, DPScan and TransTIFF I would have expected all versions on all platforms to have the same capabilities. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:24:17 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:24:17 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: >> Interestingly, neither OvPro nor AW2 will import the TIFF files ("File >> could not be converted") altho' TranTiff+ is installed. They have to >> be converted to sprite files using DPIngScan, first. > > > That's interesting. After the last burst of upgrading the TIFF code, > both RISC OS and Windows, DPScan and TransTIFF I would have expected all > versions on all platforms to have the same capabilities. > > I gave this another whirl. Same TIFF image (created in Photoshop CS2) as before, but saved without LZW compression, in 8bpp and at both 1200dpi and 600dpi. I dropped the 1200dpi (53Mb) and 600dpi (13Mb) files into OP and AW2 on my Iyonix (512Mb) and in VRPC-Adjust with memory set to the maximum 256Mb. After complaining about unknown tags ... The 1200dpi/53Mb file will not load into either AW2 or OP on either system ("File could not be converted"). The 600dpi/13Mb file will load, but it takes quite a few seconds -- my impression is that it was significantly quicker with VRPC than on the Iyonix. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:36:34 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:36:34 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 337 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >After complaining about unknown tags ... The 1200dpi/53Mb file will not >load into either AW2 or OP on either system ("File could not be >converted"). The 600dpi/13Mb file will load, but it takes quite a few >seconds -- my impression is that it was significantly quicker with VRPC >than on the Iyonix. Thanks for the example. My guess is this. The actual file conversion program (convert inside TransTIFF) can handle the image, however it is not being given enough memory. These are big files. What may help is to set your next slot (task manager) to e.g. 128MB. That doesn't work for me, but I only have 128MB on the Iyonix, and the snag is that OP calls the trans shell (128MB gone) which then calls the conversion program (another 128MB). Writing this makes me think there should be a solution... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:20:04 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:20:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.77 for RISC OS - for new ArtWorks applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 338 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've just uploaded a new version of Ovation Pro for RISC OS. The sole point of this is that Martin Wuerthner has improved the rendering of ArtWorks files by third party applications. To harvest the benefit of this travail you need to: (1) Upgrade to Ovation Pro 2.77 from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip (2) Install the new ArtWorks applet version 1.12 from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/aw.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:33:17 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:33:17 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 339 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: >> After complaining about unknown tags ... The 1200dpi/53Mb file will >> not load into either AW2 or OP on either system ("File could not be >> converted"). The 600dpi/13Mb file will load, but it takes quite a few >> seconds -- my impression is that it was significantly quicker with >> VRPC than on the Iyonix. > > Thanks for the example. > > My guess is this. The actual file conversion program (convert inside > TransTIFF) can handle the image, however it is not being given enough > memory. These are big files. What may help is to set your next slot > (task manager) to e.g. 128MB. Using the slider I can only increase the Next value to a maximum of 28MB -- on both the Iyonix and VRPC. The 1200dpi/53MB file will still not load. Is there a way of increasing Next to a higher value from the command line? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:16:09 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:16:09 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 3 Jun 2006 Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Using the slider I can only increase the Next value to a maximum of 28MB >> -- on both the Iyonix and VRPC. The 1200dpi/53MB file will still not >> load. Is there a way of increasing Next to a higher value from the >> command line? > > Not while Aemulor is running. If I quit Aemulor (completely) I still can't move the Next slider beyond 28MB on the Iyonix (and, of course, Aemulor doesn't come into the equation with VRPC). Are you saying it's possible to increase the Next value to >28MB from the command line? If so, how? Regards -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:20:43 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:20:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 342 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 3 Jun 2006 Clive Bonsall wrote: > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 3 Jun 2006 Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >>> Using the slider I can only increase the Next value to a maximum of 28MB >>> -- on both the Iyonix and VRPC. The 1200dpi/53MB file will still not >>> load. Is there a way of increasing Next to a higher value from the >>> command line? >> >> Not while Aemulor is running. > > If I quit Aemulor (completely) And the module too? AFAICR quitting from the icon bar doesn't remove the module, but I may well be wrong. > I still can't move the Next slider beyond 28MB on the Iyonix (and, of > course, Aemulor doesn't come into the equation with VRPC). Are you > saying it's possible to increase the Next value to >28MB from the > command line? No. > If so, how? Sorry, no idea! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:31:13 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:31:13 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 3 Jun 2006 Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Dr Peter Young wrote: >>> On 3 Jun 2006 Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>>> Using the slider I can only increase the Next value to a maximum of 28MB >>>> -- on both the Iyonix and VRPC. The 1200dpi/53MB file will still not >>>> load. Is there a way of increasing Next to a higher value from the >>>> command line? >>> Not while Aemulor is running. >> If I quit Aemulor (completely) > > And the module too? AFAICR quitting from the icon bar doesn't remove > the module, but I may well be wrong. Yes, the module too -- that's what I meant by "completely". Unless it's possible to set the Next slot to a higher value from the cammand line, then it seems to me there is a physical limit of 28MB. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:52:09 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <53c61b314e.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.10 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 3 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote: [snip] > Yes, the module too -- that's what I meant by "completely". Unless it's > possible to set the Next slot to a higher value from the cammand line, > then it seems to me there is a physical limit of 28MB. No Aemulor on this 128MB RAM Iyonix, and I can drag the next slot to the extent of the free memory. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------ "Fish - visionary genius, or just a big haddie?" From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:02:08 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:02:08 +0200 Message-ID: <65b01c314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >>> After complaining about unknown tags ... The 1200dpi/53Mb file will >>> not load into either AW2 or OP on either system ("File could not be >>> converted"). The 600dpi/13Mb file will load, but it takes quite a few >>> seconds -- my impression is that it was significantly quicker with >>> VRPC than on the Iyonix. >> >> Thanks for the example. >> >> My guess is this. The actual file conversion program (convert inside >> TransTIFF) can handle the image, however it is not being given enough >> memory. These are big files. What may help is to set your next slot >> (task manager) to e.g. 128MB. > > Using the slider I can only increase the Next value to a maximum of 28MB > -- on both the Iyonix and VRPC. Ah, that explains everything. Aemulor limits the amount of memory each application can use. Some versions of Aemulor do that for the complete session, even after Aemulor is quit, some are said to restore memory handling to normal when quit. You are strongly advised to not boot Aemulor automatically - it cripples applications by limiting the amount of memory they can claim. Only load Aemulor when you really need it to run a specific application. VRPC emulates a 26-bit system, so the memory per application is limited to 28MB anyway, which is precisely the behaviour Aemulor introduces on the Iyonix. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:10:45 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 for RISC OS - for new ArtWorks applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:10:45 +0200 Message-ID: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > I've just uploaded a new version of Ovation Pro for RISC OS. > > The sole point of this is that Martin Wuerthner has improved the > rendering of ArtWorks files by third party applications. To harvest the > benefit of this travail you need to: > > (1) Upgrade to Ovation Pro 2.77 from: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > > (2) Install the new ArtWorks applet version 1.12 from: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/aw.zip Many thanks David for offering this upgrade! It makes OvationPro the application with the most comprehensive ArtWorks rendering support - OP now even supports some future features that have not yet been implemented in AWRender. To clarify, the current improvements relate to rendering ArtWorks files with transparency, so they only affect AWRender 2, the chargeable upgrade supporting Crystal transparency in ArtWorks files. AWRender 2 is shipped with ArtWorks 2.6, but it is available separately, too. Most notably, OvationPro 2.77 with the ArtWorks applet 1.12 can blend transparent ArtWorks objects into solid colour frame backgrounds. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:14:10 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:14:10 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <80ca1d314e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <53c61b314e.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <53c61b314e.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 3 Jun, Brian Howlett wrot= e: > On 3 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 > [snip] >=20 > > Yes, the module too -- that's what I meant by "completely". Unless i= t's > > possible to set the Next slot to a higher value from the cammand line= , > > then it seems to me there is a physical limit of 28MB. >=20 > No Aemulor on this 128MB RAM Iyonix, and I can drag the next slot to=20 > the extent of the free memory. And I can get my Next slot to over 400 Mbytes. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:16:30 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4481617E.9000909@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:16:30 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <65b01c314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <65b01c314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>>> After complaining about unknown tags ... The 1200dpi/53Mb file will >>>> not load into either AW2 or OP on either system ("File could not be >>>> converted"). The 600dpi/13Mb file will load, but it takes quite a few >>>> seconds -- my impression is that it was significantly quicker with >>>> VRPC than on the Iyonix. >>> Thanks for the example. >>> >>> My guess is this. The actual file conversion program (convert inside >>> TransTIFF) can handle the image, however it is not being given enough >>> memory. These are big files. What may help is to set your next slot >>> (task manager) to e.g. 128MB. >> Using the slider I can only increase the Next value to a maximum of 28MB >> -- on both the Iyonix and VRPC. > > Ah, that explains everything. Aemulor limits the amount of memory each > application can use. Some versions of Aemulor do that for the complete > session, even after Aemulor is quit, some are said to restore memory > handling to normal when quit. > > You are strongly advised to not boot Aemulor automatically ... > > VRPC emulates a 26-bit system, so the memory per application is > limited to 28MB anyway, which is precisely the behaviour Aemulor > introduces on the Iyonix. Thanks. That's useful to know. Having removed Aemulor from the Boot sequence of my Iyonix and increased the Next slot to 128MB, I can report: 1. The 1200dpi/53MB TIFF will load into OP 2. However, it will not load into AW2.61. When I attempt this I get an hourglass on an otherwise blank screen for about 75s, then a blank screen without hourglass for a further 10s. When the desktop (and AW2 window) finally reappears, there is a message: "Overflow while transforming point. When you press continue the view will be closed to prevent further errors". If you want to see the (compressed) TIFF file, Martin, just let me know. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:34:26 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:34:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <65b01c314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4481617E.9000909@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4481617E.9000909@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 349 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4481617E.9000909@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > 2. However, it will not load into AW2.61. When I attempt this I get an > hourglass on an otherwise blank screen for about 75s, then a blank > screen without hourglass for a further 10s. When the desktop (and AW2 > window) finally reappears, there is a message: "Overflow while > transforming point. When you press continue the view will be closed to > prevent further errors". > > If you want to see the (compressed) TIFF file, Martin, just let me know. Thanks, I do not think this will be necessary. There is a known limitation in ArtWorks regarding the number of pixels supported in each dimension of a bitmap. You are not likely to reach the critical size with any reasonably shaped full colour bitmap (you simply cannot have that amount of memory), so the only reported cases so far were monochrome scans. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:38:07 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4481668F.1000108@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:38:07 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <65b01c314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4481617E.9000909@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 350 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4481617E.9000909@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> 2. However, it will not load into AW2.61. > > There is a known > limitation in ArtWorks regarding the number of pixels supported in > each dimension of a bitmap. Thanks. For future reference, what is the limit? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:19:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:19:18 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 3 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote in message <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk>: > Dr Peter Young wrote: > > > And the module too? AFAICR quitting from the icon bar doesn't remove > > the module, but I may well be wrong. > > Yes, the module too -- that's what I meant by "completely". You may need to take Aemulor out of your boot sequence and re-start the machine, as the 28Mb WimpSlot limit (which is a hangover from the old 26-bit systems) may not clear just by quitting Aemulor. IIRC, at least. The point is that, if you load Aemulor automatically in your boot sequence, you need to disable this to check. > Unless it's possible to set the Next slot to a higher value from the > cammand line, then it seems to me there is a physical limit of 28MB. Not without Aemulor, there isn't. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:02:24 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:02:24 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net That was interesting. I had completely forgotten that there used to be a 32MB limit on the wimp slot. In fact I was not aware that they'd removed it on Iyonix, I just got carried away and dragged the sliders as far as they would go. Now all we need is for someone to work out how to change the slot and then put it back when the transloader is run... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:25:13 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:25:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 353 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sandfordjm@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > > That was interesting. I had completely forgotten that there used to be a > 32MB limit on the wimp slot. > > In fact I was not aware that they'd removed it on Iyonix, I just got > carried away and dragged the sliders as far as they would go. > > Now all we need is for someone to work out how to change the slot and > then put it back when the transloader is run... > > See *help wimpslot John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:57:15 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: <23b537314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > That was interesting. I had completely forgotten that there used to be a > 32MB limit on the wimp slot. Slightly less than 28MB actually. The 26-bit mode RISC OS memory map reserves the logical space between &8000 and 28M for application space. > In fact I was not aware that they'd removed it on Iyonix, I just got > carried away and dragged the sliders as far as they would go. On the Iyonix, each application's slot can grow up to 512MB. Unfortunately, the A9Home, despite running a 32-bit RISC OS still has the old memory map, which limits application space to less than 28M. > Now all we need is for someone to work out how to change the slot and > then put it back when the transloader is run... Surely, the TransLoader should have its own WimpSlot command, start with a small amount of memory and then grab the memory it needs rather than relying on the Next slot? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:41:42 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:41:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <23b537314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <23b537314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Surely, the TransLoader should have its own WimpSlot command, start >with a small amount of memory and then grab the memory it needs rather >than relying on the Next slot? I think the story is that the transloader came from Windows and just uses malloc(). So, I think there's a command in Acorn C to enable malloc to change the slot size... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:32:59 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:32:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <4e314b758fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk><4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawfo d-print.co.uk><44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk><23b537314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Surely, the TransLoader should have its own WimpSlot command, start > >with a small amount of memory and then grab the memory it needs rather > >than relying on the Next slot? > I think the story is that the transloader came from Windows and > just uses malloc(). So, I think there's a command in Acorn C to > enable malloc to change the slot size... Surely malloc() in AcornC\C++ extends the wimp slot anyway without having to use any specific command. -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:37:23 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACtggUSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:37:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 357 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Today, after many years or prevarication I did the deed and upgraded the SARPC of SWMBO from RO 4.02 to Select 4.39. It went mostly to plan, but as it was quite a few years ago I upgraded mine to the first release of Select RO and subsequent other versions, I had a few minor niggles to sort out... And pleased to say they are all sorted out now... With the exception of one remaining problem that despite my best efforts I cannot resolve, so time to ask for help. :-) I'm an OvPro person, and she is an Impression Publisher person, and occasionally if my machine is busy doing something Filer intensive, (Or more likely out of action because I've been messing...) I'll use her machine. So I also have a copy of OvPro installed on it for when I need it. The problem is this: The copy of OVPro on her machine is exactly the same as the one on mine. The Transloaders on her machine are exactly the same as mine. They all do the business with the exception of TransFSI. Well it'll load Jpegs and Tiff files into an OvPro frame, but will not do the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be converted." I've tried this with a variety of PNGs saved from different sources and sizes, including from DPLngscan, same answer. CFSI 1.27 has been seen by the filer, and it can load the PNGs. On my machine I can load a PNGs into an OVPro frame without any problems. The setups are identical... I'm now lost. Anyone please, have any useful thought on the matter? Cheers Dave S Both SARPCs running Select RO 4.49 OvPro version 2.77 CFSI version 1.27 All Transfilters on both machines run during the boot sequence from !Boot-Configuration-Run at Startup. D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:45:16 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADtngUSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:45:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e314c9554dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Both SARPCs running Select RO 4.49 Blaaa! That should read 4.39. Dave -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:16:28 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:16:28 +0200 Message-ID: <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > They all do the business with the exception of TransFSI. > > Well it'll load Jpegs and Tiff files into an OvPro frame, but will not do > the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be converted." TransFSI in its default state will not be used for PNG files, unless you have modified it (nor will it actually be used for JPEG and TIFF files although it advertises its services for these types). > I've tried this with a variety of PNGs saved from different sources and > sizes, including from DPLngscan, same answer. > CFSI 1.27 has been seen by the filer, and it can load the PNGs. > > On my machine I can load a PNGs into an OVPro frame without any problems. > The setups are identical... I'm now lost. Have you modified TransFSI to deal with PNGs? If not, then something else is dealing with them on your machine. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:52:56 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAHqRgUSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:52:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > They all do the business with the exception of TransFSI. > > > > Well it'll load Jpegs and Tiff files into an OvPro frame, but will not > > do the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be converted." > TransFSI in its default state will not be used for PNG files, unless > you have modified it (nor will it actually be used for JPEG and TIFF > files although it advertises its services for these types). > > I've tried this with a variety of PNGs saved from different sources > > and sizes, including from DPLngscan, same answer. CFSI 1.27 has been > > seen by the filer, and it can load the PNGs. > > > > On my machine I can load a PNGs into an OVPro frame without any > > problems. The setups are identical... I'm now lost. > Have you modified TransFSI to deal with PNGs? If not, then something > else is dealing with them on your machine. > Martin Yup! as per the instructions. The setup file in TransFSI is: ******************* | Sets up types and server variables for TransFSI Set TransFSI$Dir Set TransFSI$Path . Set File$Type_695 GIF Set File$Type_69C BMP Set File$Type_C85 JPEG Set File$Type_FF0 TIFF Set File$Type_B60 PNG Set FFGServer$TransFSI -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir ******************* Both machines have TransTIFF+ Both machines have the CCShared TransTIFF commented out. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:15:49 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:15:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Anyone please, have any useful thought on the matter? Different size for the next slot in the task manager? 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:23:52 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:23:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4480BA91.1040405@ed.ac.uk> <44813B3D.1030201@ed.ac.uk> <44814549.3010207@ed.ac.uk> <448148D1.3060909@ed.ac.uk> <5c3f29314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <23b537314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e314b758fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e314b758fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Surely malloc() in AcornC\C++ extends the wimp slot anyway without >having to use any specific command. I've had a look at the documentation tonight, and apparently it does - as long as the wimp slot has not been changed by the code. The TIFF loader is quite simple it does not change the slot size, it relies on just malloc(). So I'm stuck. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:25:51 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:25:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 for RISC OS - for new ArtWorks applet References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, Slight snag with this new version. I was told some weeks ago that the latest version of RISC OS i.e. on the A9 requires transient utilities with special headers. I've written these, I've just not included them in the latest version. Anyway, is anyone bothered about this? - I presume you can get your transient utilities updated elsewhere. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:56:05 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAOsIgkSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:56:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3189ffb2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Anyone please, have any useful thought on the matter? > Different size for the next slot in the task manager? > 8-) Sorry David, No prize this time. :-( To within a few K the Next Slots are the same, (10 MBytes) the test PNG is very small, only 56K. After your suggestion, I upped her Next slot size, no change, it still can't do the business. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:58:51 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 for RISC OS - for new ArtWorks applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Lowry X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:58:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25S) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@lowrys.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Slight snag with this new version. I was told some weeks ago that the > latest version of RISC OS i.e. on the A9 requires transient utilities > with special headers. > > I've written these, I've just not included them in the latest version. > > Anyway, is anyone bothered about this? - I presume you can get your > transient utilities updated elsewhere. > > David. At present only the A9 is running this version of RISC OS although it will shortly be available as Select 4 for RiscPCs. The reason why no-one has spotted your omission is that there is a configuration optionto ignore the lack of AIF headers in transient utilites which, by default, is on. We are expected to switch this off at some point in the near future when most utilities have the correct headers. With the option off,OPro fails to accept images, so I, for one, am grateful that you have made the necessary changes; and look forward to downloading the updates. Hwyl Ian -- Anything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:22:47 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:22:47 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> >> Dave Symes wrote: > >>> They all do the business with the exception of TransFSI. >>> >>> Well it'll load Jpegs and Tiff files into an OvPro frame, but will not >>> do the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be converted." With the modification detailed below, this is also what I find on my Iyonix 512Mb ... but read on. [snip] >> Have you modified TransFSI to deal with PNGs? If not, then something >> else is dealing with them on your machine. >> Martin > > Yup! as per the instructions. > The setup file in TransFSI is: > ******************* > | Sets up types and server variables for TransFSI > Set TransFSI$Dir > Set TransFSI$Path . > > Set File$Type_695 GIF > Set File$Type_69C BMP > Set File$Type_C85 JPEG > Set File$Type_FF0 TIFF > Set File$Type_B60 PNG > Set FFGServer$TransFSI -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &B60 &FF9 > -R TransFSI$Dir > > ******************* > > Both machines have TransTIFF+ > Both machines have the CCShared TransTIFF commented out. > Cheers > Dave S I made the above modification on both my Iyonix and VRPC-Adjust. In VRPC if I drop a PNG file into an OP2.77 frame I get the error message: "Shared C library is out of date". If I then open !Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules and double-left-click the CLib module ... and then drop a PNG file into an OP frame, it loads! Can someone explain that to me??? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:10:04 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:10:04 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 4 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote in message <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk>: > I made the above modification on both my Iyonix and VRPC-Adjust. > > In VRPC if I drop a PNG file into an OP2.77 frame I get the error > message: "Shared C library is out of date". If I then open > !Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules and double-left-click the CLib > module ... and then drop a PNG file into an OP frame, it loads! > > Can someone explain that to me??? Yes: either there's a fault in your boot sequence, or you didn't follow the installation instructions for the 32-bit Shared C Library correctly, so it isn't getting initialised when the machine starts. Leaving it in this state isn't a good idea, because loading new copies of the CLib module while the machine is in use is risky (if you do it twice, you can easily lock the machine completely). The easiest way to sort it out is to get a copy of the 32-bit SCL from http://www.iyonix.com/32bit/system.shtml and re-run the install (you need to run the SysMerge file, and *not* just merge the !System directory using the tools in Configure). If that doesn't sort things, there's a fault in your !Boot sequence. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:06:46 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAONngkSBTYgMLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:06:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31abefa9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > > >>> They all do the business with the exception of TransFSI. > >>> > >>> Well it'll load Jpegs and Tiff files into an OvPro frame, but will > >>> not do the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be > >>> converted." > With the modification detailed below, this is also what I find on my > Iyonix 512Mb ... but read on. > [snip] [Snip] > > Yup! as per the instructions. > > The setup file in TransFSI is: > > ******************* > > | Sets up types and server variables for TransFSI > > Set TransFSI$Dir > > Set TransFSI$Path . > > > > Set File$Type_695 GIF > > Set File$Type_69C BMP > > Set File$Type_C85 JPEG > > Set File$Type_FF0 TIFF > > Set File$Type_B60 PNG > > Set FFGServer$TransFSI -T > > &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir > > > > ******************* > > > > Both machines have TransTIFF+ > > Both machines have the CCShared TransTIFF commented out. > > Cheers > > Dave S > I made the above modification on both my Iyonix and VRPC-Adjust. > In VRPC if I drop a PNG file into an OP2.77 frame I get the error > message: "Shared C library is out of date". If I then open > !Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules and double-left-click the CLib > module ... and then drop a PNG file into an OP frame, it loads! > Can someone explain that to me??? Clive, That's probably because, even though you have the later version of Clib in ....310 Modules, the one in ROM is still active. I don't have this problem and Clib 5.53 is active on this machine (and hers) overiding the ROM CLib. I can't remember who posted the fix I use, Druck I think... In ...!Boot.Resources.!System.!Run add the line: If Boot$OSVersion >= 310 Then RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib That's all one line with a single space between RMload and System Cheers Dave S PS: I also have a cople of other lines as well that force later versions of both FPEmulator and CallASWI. D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:44:01 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:44:01 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 4 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote in message > <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk>: > >> I made the above modification on both my Iyonix and VRPC-Adjust. >> >> In VRPC if I drop a PNG file into an OP2.77 frame I get the error >> message: "Shared C library is out of date". If I then open >> !Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules and double-left-click the CLib >> module ... and then drop a PNG file into an OP frame, it loads! >> >> Can someone explain that to me??? > > Yes: either there's a fault in your boot sequence, or you didn't follow > the installation instructions for the 32-bit Shared C Library correctly, > so it isn't getting initialised when the machine starts. > > The easiest way to sort it out is to get a copy of the 32-bit SCL from > http://www.iyonix.com/32bit/system.shtml and re-run the install (you need > to run the SysMerge file, and *not* just merge the !System directory using > the tools in Configure). If that doesn't sort things, there's a fault in > your !Boot sequence. Thanks, but I've already done that ... I still get "Shared C library is out of date". One thing I do notice is that Castle's website says the version of CLib in its System update is 5.53. However, the ReadMe file with the update says its CLib 5.47. Is the ReadMe file out of date, or has an older version of CLib been provided? The other unanswered question is ... why will PNG files load into OP2.77 under VRPC but not on the Iyonix? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed/ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:16:31 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAIhrgkSBTYgMLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:16:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31b2524ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 4 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote in message > <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk>: > > I made the above modification on both my Iyonix and VRPC-Adjust. > > > > In VRPC if I drop a PNG file into an OP2.77 frame I get the error > > message: "Shared C library is out of date". If I then open > > !Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules and double-left-click the CLib > > module ... and then drop a PNG file into an OP frame, it loads! > > > > Can someone explain that to me??? > Yes: either there's a fault in your boot sequence, or you didn't follow > the installation instructions for the 32-bit Shared C Library correctly, > so it isn't getting initialised when the machine starts. Leaving it in > this state isn't a good idea, because loading new copies of the CLib > module while the machine is in use is risky (if you do it twice, you can > easily lock the machine completely). > The easiest way to sort it out is to get a copy of the 32-bit SCL from > http://www.iyonix.com/32bit/system.shtml and re-run the install (you > need to run the SysMerge file, and *not* just merge the !System > directory using the tools in Configure). If that doesn't sort things, > there's a fault in your !Boot sequence. That's what we would assume Steve, but even after doing it as required, the 5.53 CLib just wasn't being loaded and the older ROM version remained active. Actually the same thing happened with her machine yesterday, after I'd upgraded the OS and was sure it was working okay, I updated her modules from the link you quote... Same problem, CLib 5.53 was not being loaded from ...ADFS::HD4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules, and I had to apply the same fix to her !Systen !Run file as I'd used on mine. Now TransFSI problems aside, everything works okay. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:17:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAIhrgkSBTYgMLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:17:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31b27137dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Thanks, but I've already done that ... I still get "Shared C library is > out of date". One thing I do notice is that > Castle's website says the version of CLib in its System update is 5.53. > However, the ReadMe file with the update says its CLib 5.47. Is the > ReadMe file out of date, or has an older version of CLib been provided? > The other unanswered question is ... why will PNG files load into OP2.77 > under VRPC but not on the Iyonix? > -- > Clive Bonsall Clive, the version inside the archive is 5.53 the readMe is in error. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:48:37 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4482D6A5.5000902@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:48:37 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4e31abefa9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e31abefa9dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 372 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4482A667.6030200@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Dave Symes wrote: > > [Snip] > >> In VRPC if I drop a PNG file into an OP2.77 frame I get the error >> message: "Shared C library is out of date". If I then open >> !Boot.Resources.!System.310.Modules and double-left-click the CLib >> module ... and then drop a PNG file into an OP frame, it loads! > >> Can someone explain that to me??? > > Clive, That's probably because, even though you have the later version of > Clib in ....310 Modules, the one in ROM is still active. > > In ...!Boot.Resources.!System.!Run add the line: > > If Boot$OSVersion >= 310 Then RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad > System:Modules.CLib > Cheers > Dave S That's done it, thanks. It hadn't occurred to me that the emulator would have a "ROM", which I tend to think of as hardware. I'm still curious to know why PNG files will load into OP running under VRPC, but not on an Iyonix (?). Cheers -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:53:29 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4482D7C9.4060508@heleigh.org.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:53:29 +0100 From: Martin Devon User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk> <4e31b27137dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e31b27137dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 373 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > >> Thanks, but I've already done that ... I still get "Shared C library is >> out of date". One thing I do notice is that >> Castle's website says the version of CLib in its System update is 5.53. >> However, the ReadMe file with the update says its CLib 5.47. Is the >> ReadMe file out of date, or has an older version of CLib been provided >> It may be a way round the problem to put a copy of the new CLIb into !Boot.Choices.Default.Boot.PreDesk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:55:01 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:55:01 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <1ad5c0314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4e31abefa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4482D6A5.5000902@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4482D6A5.5000902@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 4 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote in message <4482D6A5.5000902@ed.ac.uk>: > Dave Symes wrote: > > > Clive, That's probably because, even though you have the later version > > of Clib in ....310 Modules, the one in ROM is still active. > > > > In ...!Boot.Resources.!System.!Run add the line: > > > > If Boot$OSVersion >= 310 Then RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad > > System:Modules.CLib > > That's done it, thanks. That's precisely what re-installing the SCL update (as I suggested) would have done, as part of the installation process. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:55:45 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:55:45 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <35e6c0314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk> <4e31b27137dfs@ukgateway.net> <4482D7C9.4060508@hele gh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4482D7C9.4060508@heleigh.org.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 4 Jun, Martin Devon wrote in message <4482D7C9.4060508@heleigh.org.uk>: > It may be a way round the problem to put a copy of the new CLIb into > !Boot.Choices.Default.Boot.PreDesk Not even vaguely a good idea, for a number of reasons. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:12:15 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKyxgkSBTIgMLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:12:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31cd65a7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4482D7C9.4060508@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk> <4e31b27137dfs@ukgateway.net> <4482D7C9.4 60508@heleigh.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4482D7C9.4060508@heleigh.org.uk>, Martin Devon wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <4482C781.30705@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > > > >> Thanks, but I've already done that ... I still get "Shared C library > >> is out of date". One thing I do notice is that Castle's website says > >> the version of CLib in its System update is 5.53. However, the > >> ReadMe file with the update says its CLib 5.47. Is the ReadMe file > >> out of date, or has an older version of CLib been provided > >> > It may be a way round the problem to put a copy of the new CLIb into > !Boot.Choices.Default.Boot.PreDesk Interesting thought, but I would have thought safer to leave it in place and explicitly load it from the !System !Run file. I'd be interested to hear some additional comments from some of the other knowledgeable RO folks, like Druck, Andrew Hill and others, though I believe Druck isn't talking to me at ATM... Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:59:15 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44832D83.9000509@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:59:15 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <91704f314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4482A667.60302 0@ed.ac.uk> <4e31abefa9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4482D6A5.5000902@ed.ac.uk> <1ad5c0314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1ad5c0314e.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 4 Jun, Clive Bonsall wrote in message > <4482D6A5.5000902@ed.ac.uk>: > >> Dave Symes wrote: >> >>> Clive, That's probably because, even though you have the later version >>> of Clib in ....310 Modules, the one in ROM is still active. >>> >>> In ...!Boot.Resources.!System.!Run add the line: >>> >>> If Boot$OSVersion >= 310 Then RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.17 RMLoad >>> System:Modules.CLib >> That's done it, thanks. > > That's precisely what re-installing the SCL update (as I suggested) would > have done, as part of the installation process. But I did ... and it didn't :( -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:56:31 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:56:31 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3189ffb2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3189ffb2dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Sorry David, No prize this time. :-( It's got to be ChangeFSI... although you say that the version on the machine that won't load PNGs is the same as the one on the machine that will, could it be that you have two copies of ChangeFSI on the problem machine? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:15:17 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAOzpgkSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:15:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Strange business... I think insanity has set in. Yesterday I could load a PNG into an OvPro frame on this machine, today for some reason I cannot fathom, it will not do it, reporting: Message from Transloader File could not be converted. Eh! Nothing has been changed. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:27:12 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:27:12 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Yesterday I could load a PNG into an OvPro frame on this machine, today >for some reason I cannot fathom, it will not do it, reporting: >Message from Transloader >File could not be converted. >Eh! Nothing has been changed. A big step forward, you've now got consistency. If the problem was why the machines behaved differently, you no longer have it. More good news, once you solve the problem on not loading on one machine, you'll solve it on the other. Things are really looking up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:25:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:25:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be converted." What that means is that the trans loader shell has called up the conversion program (ChangeFSI in this case) but no output file has appeared. The conversion program has failed in other words. >CFSI 1.27 has been seen by the filer, and it can load the PNGs. However is CFSI 1.27 the one that is pointed to by the system variables? (this is just what I said about two copies on the same machine) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:34:24 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:34:24 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 for RISC OS - for new ArtWorks applet References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >With the option off,OPro fails to accept images How do you mean? My understanding is that as part of !Run (i.e. running OP) a TU is executed, so I'd expect you to never get as far as having the program on the icon bar. The other major use of TUs are applets, just about every one has a TU called !Run which toggles the name (i.e. adding or removing a '-') when you double click the applet. If by images you mean, graphics files, then the next question is what type? (yet more transloader fun?) My opinion was that the TU changes were going to create a lot of upset for little gain. If a more robust OS is the aim, then there are lots more relevant changes, however such changes would cause a lot more trouble. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:54:57 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADrxgkSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:54:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 384 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Yesterday I could load a PNG into an OvPro frame on this machine, today > >for some reason I cannot fathom, it will not do it, reporting: > >Message from Transloader > >File could not be converted. > >Eh! Nothing has been changed. > A big step forward, you've now got consistency. If the problem was why > the machines behaved differently, you no longer have it. > More good news, once you solve the problem on not loading on one > machine, you'll solve it on the other. > Things are really looking up. If only things were that simple David... I've checked on both machines, there is only one copy of ChangeFSI installed. I've taken the PNG file and dropped it on the CFSI Icon bar icon, CFSI displays it okay. In the *Show listing for CFSI I have... ChangeFSI$Cache : 256K ChangeFSI$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.Apps.!ChangeFSI ChangeFSI$PCDIndex : 3 ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) [What does this line mean?] Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:54:29 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADrxgkSBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:54:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e31e73c2adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 383 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >the business with a PNG... reporting "File could not be converted." > What that means is that the trans loader shell has called up the > conversion program (ChangeFSI in this case) but no output file has > appeared. The conversion program has failed in other words. > >CFSI 1.27 has been seen by the filer, and it can load the PNGs. > However is CFSI 1.27 the one that is pointed to by the system variables? > (this is just what I said about two copies on the same machine) There is only one copy of CFSI. Yes the version in ...Apps is the only version and is 1.27 Dropping the PNG onto CFSI works okay. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:18:53 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:18:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) > [What does this line mean?] That could be useful. Lets say you load a GIF file into OP, and this line changes to a null string. Then you load a PNG and it changes to the above. If that is true then the above is an error message caused by loading the PNG. All we'd then have to do is look at line 43890 and see what is going on at that point in ChangeFSI. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:37:59 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAIxvg0SBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:37:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) > > [What does this line mean?] > That could be useful. Lets say you load a GIF file into OP, and this=20 > line changes to a null string. Then you load a PNG and it changes to the=20 > above. > If that is true then the above is an error message caused by loading the=20 > PNG. > All we'd then have to do is look at line 43890 and see what is going on=20 > at that point in ChangeFSI. Mmnn! It says... 43890 base%!(10*4)=3Dpanic<<27 =84 nx<<1 =84 ny<<14 =84 = 1:base%+=3Dbase%!(8*4) Not being a programmer, but an abuser/user of other folks programmes, I have no idea what it means or says. :-( With regard to what you note above... When the machine is first booted the settings are: ChangeFSI$Cache : 256K ChangeFSI$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.Apps.!ChangeFSI ChangeFSI$PCDIndex : 3=20 After a Jpeg action into OvPro: No change. After attempting the PNG action: As I posted yesterday. ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) Just for fun, I dug out a copy of CFSI 1.25 from my store/backup disk. Did the stuff. Same answer/result... Line number a little different (43882) but err code the same. Also noting that this 1.25 version of CFSI will work on a PNG double clicked or dropped on its icon bar icon. What's got me boggled is... Saturday and previous on my machine, I could drop a PNG into an OVPro frame and it all worked, suddenly on Sunday it didn't work. Cheers Dave S --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:13:17 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77 for RISC OS - for new ArtWorks applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ian Lowry X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:13:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1e651a324e.Ian@lowrys.demon.co.uk> References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Matchstick User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25S) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ian@lowrys.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >>With the option off,OPro fails to accept images > > How do you mean? > > My understanding is that as part of !Run (i.e. running OP) a TU is > executed, so I'd expect you to never get as far as having the program on > the icon bar. Sorry, I can no longer reproduce yesterday's behaviour. As you say, OP fails to run at all [snip] > If by images you mean, graphics files, then the next question is what > type? (yet more transloader fun?) > I was using TIFFs to test and they load with no problems now. Regards Ian -- This message made of recyclable electrons From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:22:17 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:22:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >After a Jpeg action into OvPro: >No change. Snag is that by default JPEG files do not go via TransFSI, they're loaded as JPEGs and remain as JPEGs in the document. So you need to test it with a file type that TransFSI does handle - in addition to PNG. (perhaps .bmp is another). However I'll go and investigate on my machines. You've given me something to work on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:32 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > They are 8bpp grayscale images, scanned at 1200dpi in Photoshop CS2. Is there a need to use such big images? You said in a previous posting that they were line art, if that is the case, then line art only needs to be 1bpp (i.e. black and white). If the images are in fact 8bpp and use more than 2 colours, then I doubt you need them at 1200dpi - certainly not is that is the final output resolution. I seems to me that you are using excessively large images than you need to be using. Maybe you could say what the intended production method is for this document? It helps to know how a job is to be printed so you can make the correct judgement on image resolutions etc. I know this is not really relevant to the discussion of the problems with loading TIFFs but once it is clear how the job is being printed people can give helpful suggestions as to what sizes the images need to be. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:27:09 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAAzng0SBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:27:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >After a Jpeg action into OvPro: > >No change. > Snag is that by default JPEG files do not go via TransFSI, they're > loaded as JPEGs and remain as JPEGs in the document. So you need to test > it with a file type that TransFSI does handle - in addition to PNG. > (perhaps .bmp is another). > However I'll go and investigate on my machines. You've given me > something to work on. Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:11:36 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:11:36 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does NOT >do the business, and gives the same err message. That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI causes trouble. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:33:27 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALEThESBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:33:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does > >NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. > That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI > causes trouble. David, I don't know if this helps or not.... I've just hoiked an older version of TransFSI out of my backups, and after making the needed modification to the !Setup file, to recognise PNGs and running it, the thing now works. BMP and PNG. So I think we can say it is the latest version of TransFSI having the problem. Cheers Dave S PS: I'm trying to fathom exactly what version of TransFSI I've dug out... It seems to indicate Rob Clark June 1996 but has been modified with a new !Server file in Aug 1999 D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:22:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACNEhESBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:22:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukg teway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 394 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 05 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does > > >NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. > > That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI > > causes trouble. > David, > I don't know if this helps or not... > I've just hoiked an older version of TransFSI out of my backups, and > after making the needed modification to the !Setup file, to recognise > PNGs and running it, the thing now works. BMP and PNG. So I think we can > say it is the latest version of TransFSI having the problem. > Cheers > Dave S > PS: I'm trying to fathom exactly what version of TransFSI I've dug out... > It seems to indicate Rob Clark June 1996 but has been modified with a > new !Server file in Aug 1999 > D. I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. Modified the !Setup file, it also works correctly on PNG and BMP Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:58:06 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:58:06 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >I've just hoiked an older version of TransFSI out of my backups, and after >making the needed modification to the !Setup file, to recognise PNGs and >running it, the thing now works. BMP and PNG. That sounds very likely. i.e. new versions of ChangeFSI don't accept the command line parameters that TransFSI passes on. You can change the parameters. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:11:34 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:11:34 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so >it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. > >Modified the !Setup file, it also works correctly on PNG and BMP I tried loading some GIF and TIFF files on my Iyonix (using TransFSI) and it failed. I eventually worked out that TransFSI had been changed when the Iyonix came out - the correct version is on the OP CD or: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transfsi.zip As it says on: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/resource.html "Bug fixed for RISC OS 5" Slight worry is that you may have said "TransFSI" (which is my loader) when you meant ChangeFSI. I only have ChangeFSI 1.21 on my Iyonix, where does one obtain later versions? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:50:03 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAPq5hESBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:50:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 397 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so > >it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. > > > >Modified the !Setup file, it also works correctly on PNG and BMP > I tried loading some GIF and TIFF files on my Iyonix (using TransFSI) > and it failed. I eventually worked out that TransFSI had been changed > when the Iyonix came out - the correct version is on the OP CD or: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transfsi.zip > As it says on: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/resource.html > "Bug fixed for RISC OS 5" > Slight worry is that you may have said "TransFSI" (which is my loader) > when you meant ChangeFSI. > I only have ChangeFSI 1.21 on my Iyonix, where does one obtain later > versions? Okay. I've downloaded the above and it does work on my machine (I'm leaving hers until I'm sure mine is okay). TransFSI or CFSI. Be assured I mean your TransFSI. The more recent versions of ChangeFSI come with the Select upgrades. I'll send you the TransFSI that won't play the game to look at, though as far as I can see it's the same as the one I've just downloaded that does work. Thanks for your help Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:00:23 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > On 05 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >> In article , >> David Pilling wrote: >> > >Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does >> > >NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. > >> > That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI >> > causes trouble. > >> David, >> I don't know if this helps or not... > >> I've just hoiked an older version of TransFSI out of my backups, and >> after making the needed modification to the !Setup file, to recognise >> PNGs and running it, the thing now works. BMP and PNG. So I think we can >> say it is the latest version of TransFSI having the problem. > >> Cheers >> Dave S > >> PS: I'm trying to fathom exactly what version of TransFSI I've dug out... > >> It seems to indicate Rob Clark June 1996 but has been modified with a >> new !Server file in Aug 1999 > >> D. > > I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so > it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. > > Modified the !Setup file, it also works correctly on PNG and BMP > > Cheers > Dave S > That sounds very good. My TransFST wont do this. Please could you let be has the DS version. Blessings Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:22:03 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAPq5hESBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:22:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32998a7adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so > > it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. > > > > Modified the !Setup file, it also works correctly on PNG and BMP > > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > > That sounds very good. My TransFST wont do this. Please could you let > be has the DS version. > Blessings > Alan I assume Alan, you did modify the !Setup file to accomodate PNGs I'll send some notes privately. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:37:20 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAC6/hESBTIgLLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:37:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 06 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: [Snip] > Okay. I've downloaded the above and it does work on my machine (I'm > leaving hers until I'm sure mine is okay). > TransFSI or CFSI. Be assured I mean your TransFSI. > The more recent versions of ChangeFSI come with the Select upgrades. > I'll send you the TransFSI that won't play the game to look at, though as > far as I can see it's the same as the one I've just downloaded that does > work. > Thanks for your help > Cheers > Dave S David, I've discovered another interesting problem... In that the new downloaded version does and doesn't work ;-) I don't have time to test it out as unfortunately work, work, calls, but I'll test and write up later. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:51:04 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 07:51:04 +0100 Message-ID: <94329c324e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32998a7adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32998a7adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 400 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e32998a7adfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> >> Dave Symes wrote: > > [Snip] > >> > I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so >> > it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. >> > >> > Modified the !Setup file, it also works correctly on PNG and BMP >> > >> > Cheers >> > Dave S >> > > >> That sounds very good. My TransFST wont do this. Please could you let >> be has the DS version. > >> Blessings > >> Alan > > I assume Alan, you did modify the !Setup file to accomodate PNGs > > I'll send some notes privately. > > Cheers > Dave S > Err no. Dont know how to 8-( Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:18:44 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAI56hUSBTIgM MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:18:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.ne > In-Reply-To: <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 06 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > On 06 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > [Snip] > > Okay. I've downloaded the above and it does work on my machine (I'm > > leaving hers until I'm sure mine is okay). > > TransFSI or CFSI. Be assured I mean your TransFSI. > > The more recent versions of ChangeFSI come with the Select upgrades. > > I'll send you the TransFSI that won't play the game to look at, though > > as far as I can see it's the same as the one I've just downloaded that > > does work. > > Thanks for your help > > Cheers > > Dave S > David, I've discovered another interesting problem... In that the new > downloaded version does and doesn't work ;-) > I don't have time to test it out as unfortunately work, work, calls, but > I'll test and write up later. > Cheers > Dave S Okay, off we go again. The Transnnn filters on this machine are run at Bootup, from !Boot, configuration, Boot, Run, Run at startup. Which as I understand it, on the New Boot system is the correct place to put things, replacing the old Tasks Desktop boot file. When run from there TransFSI doesn't work and thus the BMP or PNG file dropped into an OvPro frame don't display and error out. If I now manually double click TransFSI the graphics will get translated and load into an OvPro frame. I've changed the order of then in Run at startup to see if that made any difference, No change upon a machine reboot, as per usual... Message from Transloader, "File could not be converted". I've put an entry in a Tasks Desktop Boot file to Run TransFSI, makes no difference, File could not be converted. I've created a bog standard Obey file to Run TransFSI and put that in Tasks, as I understand it anything, like an Obey file in tasks will be automatically run during the Boot up process... Well in this case it's not as TransFSI still doesn't do the business, if however I manually double click the Obey File, then TransFSI, BMP/PNG into OvPro frame works. My knowledge has run out, time for others to comment. Summary: Any attempt to Auto Run TransFSI fails, but manually double clicking it, or an Obey File to run it works. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:58:45 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:58:45 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > >> On 05 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >>> In article , >>> David Pilling wrote: >>>>> Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does >>>>> NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. >>>> That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI >>>> causes trouble. >>> David, >[snip] >> I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so >> it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. [snip] > > That sounds very good. My TransFST wont do this. Please could you let > be has the DS version. > Alan Alan - are you using TransFSI on a RiscPC or an Iyonix? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:03:21 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:03:21 +0100 Message-ID: <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 402 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> >> Dave Symes wrote: >> >>> On 05 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >>>> In article , >>>> David Pilling wrote: >>>>>> Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does >>>>>> NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. >>>>> That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI >>>>> causes trouble. >>>> David, >>[snip] > >>> I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so >>> it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. > > [snip] >> >> That sounds very good. My TransFST wont do this. Please could you let >> be has the DS version. > Alan > > Alan - are you using TransFSI on a RiscPC or an Iyonix? An Iyonix my friend Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:28:32 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:28:32 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 403 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Alan Leighton wrote: >>> In message <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> >>> Dave Symes wrote: >>> >>>> On 05 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >>>>> In article , >>>>> David Pilling wrote: >>>>>>> Okay I've just tried dropping a small BMP into a OvPro frame, it does >>>>>>> NOT do the business, and gives the same err message. >>>>>> That is interesting. It helps. It now sounds like any use of TransFSI >>>>>> causes trouble. >>>>> David, >>> [snip] >>>> I've just dug out another version of TransFSI this one is dated 2002 so >>>> it's inbetween the 1996 and current versions. >> [snip] >>> That sounds very good. My TransFST wont do this. Please could you let >>> be has the DS version. > Alan >> Alan - are you using TransFSI on a RiscPC or an Iyonix? > > An Iyonix my friend > Alan That may be the source of the problem. In this thread a few days ago I asked why I could get PNG files to load into OP and CFSI on a VRPC (RiscOS 4) but not on an Iyonix (RiscOS 5). I got no response ... but further delving on the Internet led me to the following page: http://www.iyonix.com/iyonix/features/503notes.shtml This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with PNG files and OP/CFSI? Perhaps someone with more technical knowledge of these matters would like to comment ...? -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:04:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:04:50 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28k (Qt/3.3.6) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:f909b1a3f885f64e5fcc88b64a0e9854 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > > The Transnnn filters on this machine are run at Bootup, from !Boot, > configuration, Boot, Run, Run at startup. Which as I understand it, on > the New Boot system is the correct place to put things, replacing the > old Tasks Desktop boot file. > I have mine in System.Resources, where they seem to work OK. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:08 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-ME-UUID: 20060606201141989.F1AA51C00091@mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 406 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > On 06 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >> On 06 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > >> [Snip] > >> > Okay. I've downloaded the above and it does work on my machine (I'm >> > leaving hers until I'm sure mine is okay). > >> > TransFSI or CFSI. Be assured I mean your TransFSI. > >> > The more recent versions of ChangeFSI come with the Select upgrades. > >> > I'll send you the TransFSI that won't play the game to look at, though >> > as far as I can see it's the same as the one I've just downloaded that >> > does work. > >> > Thanks for your help >> > Cheers >> > Dave S > >> David, I've discovered another interesting problem... In that the new >> downloaded version does and doesn't work ;-) > >> I don't have time to test it out as unfortunately work, work, calls, but >> I'll test and write up later. > >> Cheers >> Dave S > > Okay, off we go again. > > The Transnnn filters on this machine are run at Bootup, from !Boot, > configuration, Boot, Run, Run at startup. Which as I understand it, on > the New Boot system is the correct place to put things, replacing the old > Tasks Desktop boot file. > > When run from there TransFSI doesn't work and thus the BMP or PNG file > dropped into an OvPro frame don't display and error out. > > If I now manually double click TransFSI the graphics will get translated > and load into an OvPro frame. > > I've changed the order of then in Run at startup to see if that made any > difference, No change upon a machine reboot, as per usual... Message from > Transloader, "File could not be converted". > > I've put an entry in a Tasks Desktop Boot file to Run TransFSI, makes no > difference, File could not be converted. > > I've created a bog standard Obey file to Run TransFSI and put that in > Tasks, as I understand it anything, like an Obey file in tasks will be > automatically run during the Boot up process... > > Well in this case it's not as TransFSI still doesn't do the business, if > however I manually double click the Obey File, then TransFSI, BMP/PNG into > OvPro frame works. > > My knowledge has run out, time for others to comment. I wonder whether ChangeFSI has to have been seen before TransFSI? You could try putting that into Look At as well. > > Summary: > Any attempt to Auto Run TransFSI fails, but manually double clicking it, > or an Obey File to run it works. > > Cheers > Dave S > -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:52 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CANt+hUSBTIgM MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 407 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > That may be the source of the problem. In this thread a few days ago I > asked why I could get PNG files to load into OP and CFSI on a VRPC > (RiscOS 4) but not on an Iyonix (RiscOS 5). I got no response ... but > further delving on the Internet led me to the following page: > http://www.iyonix.com/iyonix/features/503notes.shtml > This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. > I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions > of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with > PNG files and OP/CFSI? > Perhaps someone with more technical knowledge of these matters would > like to comment ...? > -- > Clive Bonsall Clive, I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more graphic filetypes. ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:49:43 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:49:43 +0100 Message-ID: <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 408 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> That may be the source of the problem. In this thread a few days ago I >> asked why I could get PNG files to load into OP and CFSI on a VRPC >> (RiscOS 4) but not on an Iyonix (RiscOS 5). I got no response ... but >> further delving on the Internet led me to the following page: >> http://www.iyonix.com/iyonix/features/503notes.shtml > >> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >> I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions >> of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with >> PNG files and OP/CFSI? > >> Perhaps someone with more technical knowledge of these matters would >> like to comment ...? >> -- >> Clive Bonsall > > Clive, > I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it > doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) > that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more > graphic filetypes. > > ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. > > Dave S > CJE are you following this you sold it to me Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:10:31 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAPeMhUSBTIgM MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:10:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32eae1d8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> 4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway. et> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgat way.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 409 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Ray Dawson wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > > > The Transnnn filters on this machine are run at Bootup, from !Boot, > > configuration, Boot, Run, Run at startup. Which as I understand it, on > > the New Boot system is the correct place to put things, replacing the > > old Tasks Desktop boot file. > > > I have mine in System.Resources, where they seem to work OK. > Cheers, > Ray D Ray, thanks for the input, I don't have System.Resources on this machine, only a !Boot.Resources, and despite not writing it up in my previous posting, that was one of the first thing I tried, and it didn't work. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:18:57 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAPeMhUSBTIgM MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:18:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <467 e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 410 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > I wonder whether ChangeFSI has to have been seen before TransFSI? > You could try putting that into Look At as well. Thanks for the input Alan. Again though I'd not written it up in my previous post, I'd already been there, unfortunately no change. It doesn't matter if CFSI is seen or even run, TransFSI doesn't respond to being auto run... Manually double clicked, yes. The thing that's got my head in a spin is after an auto run, a *Show in a Task window shows that TransFSI has been registered TransFSI$Dir : The full path to it. TransFSI$Path : The full path to it. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:45:53 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:45:53 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 411 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> They are 8bpp grayscale images, scanned at 1200dpi in Photoshop CS2. > > Is there a need to use such big images? You said in a previous posting > that they were line art, if that is the case, then line art only needs > to be 1bpp (i.e. black and white). If the images are in fact 8bpp and > use more than 2 colours, then I doubt you need them at 1200dpi - > certainly not is that is the final output resolution. > > I seems to me that you are using excessively large images than you need > to be using. Maybe you could say what the intended production method > is for this document? It helps to know how a job is to be printed so you > can make the correct judgement on image resolutions etc. > > I know this is not really relevant to the discussion of the problems > with loading TIFFs but once it is clear how the job is being printed > people can give helpful suggestions as to what sizes the images need to > be. Thanks for this. Undoubtedly, I am using bigger images than I need to. But I'm unsure about the optimum mode/dpi setting to use, so advice would be appreciated. For non-colour stuff, I tend to scan everything at 8bpp grayscale and the highest resolution (dpi) that my computer can manage, because I can always reduce the images to 1bpp and/or lower resolutions, as/when required. The JOB is this ... a book DTP'd using OPW, which will contain lots of line drawings and B&W photos. It will be sent to a commercial printer either as camera-ready copy or as a series of PDF files. For the line drawings what would be the optimum resolution -- e.g. is there anything to be gained by having the images at 1200dpi or even 2400dpi, or will 600dpi suffice? In the process of generating a PDF, downsampling of images normally occurs. In Acrobat Distiller, if bicubic downsampling for monochrome images is set to 1200dpi (as in Distiller's press quality mode), is there any point starting off with an image that is larger than that? For information, these are the guidelines issued by CUP for a publication I contributed to recently: "All illustrations, either as CRC (line figures), prints/transparencies (photographs) or as digital images. If you're submitting the images digitally then they should be saved at a minimum resolution of 1200 dpi for line figs/300 dpi for photographs, when saved at the size at which they'll be reproduced in the book. TIFF or EPS files, please." In this case I found that my computer (Athlon 2600+, 1GB memory) couldn't even manage to save 1200dpi TIFFs of some of the illustrations (those that included grey tones) -- 800dpi was its limit. Yet this is what many publishers are asking for. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:52:58 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4485F93A.90606@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:52:58 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 412 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> That may be the source of the problem. In this thread a few days ago I >> asked why I could get PNG files to load into OP and CFSI on a VRPC >> (RiscOS 4) but not on an Iyonix (RiscOS 5). I got no response ... but >> further delving on the Internet led me to the following page: >> http://www.iyonix.com/iyonix/features/503notes.shtml > >> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >> I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions >> of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with >> PNG files and OP/CFSI? > >> Perhaps someone with more technical knowledge of these matters would >> like to comment ...? >> -- >> Clive Bonsall > > Clive, > I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it > doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) > that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more > graphic filetypes. > > ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. Thanks, that's useful to know. I had wondered what was meant by "PNG support", tho' I assumed it was something more than CFSI and TransFSI. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:57:25 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:57:25 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 413 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >For non-colour stuff, I tend to scan everything at 8bpp grayscale and >the highest resolution (dpi) that my computer can manage, because I can >always reduce the images to 1bpp and/or lower resolutions, as/when >required. Perhaps an old point, there is no point scanning at a higher resolution than the optical resolution of your scanner. It's an old point because these days 1200 dpi is all too likely to be the optical res. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:38:34 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <448603EA.6010609@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:38:34 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 414 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote: >> For non-colour stuff, I tend to scan everything at 8bpp grayscale and >> the highest resolution (dpi) that my computer can manage, because I >> can always reduce the images to 1bpp and/or lower resolutions, as/when >> required. > > Perhaps an old point, there is no point scanning at a higher resolution > than the optical resolution of your scanner. > > It's an old point because these days 1200 dpi is all too likely to be > the optical res. Point taken ... I use an Epson Perfection 4870 Photo which is claimed to have an optical resolution of 4800dpi, and a max resolution of 12800dpi. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:55:03 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <041001c689bc$3f251690$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:55:03 +0100 Organization: Perfect Page Publishing Services MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 415 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Clive Bonsall wrote: > "All illustrations, either as CRC (line figures), > prints/transparencies (photographs) or as digital images. If you're > submitting the images digitally then they should be saved at a > minimum resolution of 1200 dpi for line figs/300 dpi for photographs, > when saved at the size at which they'll be reproduced in the book. TIFF or > EPS files, please." > In this case I found that my computer (Athlon 2600+, 1GB memory) > couldn't even manage to save 1200dpi TIFFs of some of the > illustrations (those that included grey tones) -- 800dpi was its > limit. Yet this is what many publishers are asking for. It's worth noting that an illustration that includes grey tones is *by definition* not a line figure because it is not pure black/pure white: it will therefore have to be reproduced as a half-tone (with a screen). So a mere 300 dpi would have sufficed for these. Bruce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:02:17 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-ME-UUID: 20060606230238189.2E504C400082@mwinf3216.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:02:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 416 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote: >> In article <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk>, >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >>> They are 8bpp grayscale images, scanned at 1200dpi in Photoshop CS2. >> >> Is there a need to use such big images? You said in a previous posting >> that they were line art, if that is the case, then line art only needs >> to be 1bpp (i.e. black and white). If the images are in fact 8bpp and >> use more than 2 colours, then I doubt you need them at 1200dpi - >> certainly not is that is the final output resolution. >> > "All illustrations, either as CRC (line figures), prints/transparencies > (photographs) or as digital images. If you're submitting the images > digitally then they should be saved at a minimum resolution of 1200 dpi for > line figs/300 dpi for photographs, when saved at the size at which they'll > be reproduced in the book. TIFF or EPS files, please." > The key phrase here is probably: "when saved at the size at which they'll be reproduced in the book." Let's suppose you are scanning a drawing full A4 size, or about 11" by 8". In the book, it will be reproduced as a 6" by 4" figure. At 1200 dpi, that is 7200 by 4800 pixels. To obtain that when scanning requires 7200/11 dpi, or about 700dpi. In other words the more you reduce the finished size, the lower the initial scan resolution needs to be. The catch is that you need to know the finished size before scanning them in, otherwise scanning at a much higher resolution is the only safe way. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:02:34 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Arthur Taylor X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: <2324f5324e.Arthur@ribbonwood.plus.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32eae1d8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32eae1d8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 417 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: arthur@ribbonwood.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net [snip the problems of loading png files into OPro frames on a Risc PC running Select/Adjust] FWIW I thought it might be interesting to try this out on the A9Home, running with Flash2 and OS4.42. I created a 3.5Mb PNG from a jpeg photo using !DPingScan. !TransFSI was run from Configure/Boot/Run. Firing up !OPro (2.77) after a reboot, I dropped the png into the default frame and it loaded OK, so seemingly no problem with the A9 - at anyrate, with mine. Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:39:23 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:39:23 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 418 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >It doesn't matter if CFSI is seen or even run, TransFSI doesn't respond to >being auto run... Manually double clicked, yes. Two comments which clear up things. PNG support appears to be part of Select, it does not work on the Iyonix - regardless of which version of ChangeFSI. Second, TransFSI does not cache the path to ChangeFSI, so the status of ChangeFSI at the time you boot TransFSI does not matter. Once upon a time, system variables were being corrupted on my machine. F12, then *show * would end up badly. If it really is the case that the TransFSI variables are being set up to the same values when booted and when double clicked (incidentally they include FFG* as well as TransFSI*) then you do start to wonder. However the error message points to ChangeFSI failing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:41:02 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAFvvhUSBTIgL MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:41:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 419 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > If it really is the case that the TransFSI variables are being set up to > the same values when booted and when double clicked (incidentally they > include FFG* as well as TransFSI*) then you do start to wonder. > However the error message points to ChangeFSI failing. I'm just going slightly mad... (To paraphrase a line from Freddy Mercury) Mnnn! I know we've seen the error message from the Transloader, and the CFSI err, ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) Why I'm going mad is... It doesn't work when TransFSI is auto loaded, but it does work if TransFSI is double manually clicked. Yet a *Show, shows the variables are set up in the Auto Run, but they don't change after a double click and it now works. Whaaaaaa! I want my mummy! Dave S PS: And an answer to cure it. :-) D. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:32:52 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAJwghkSBTIgL MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:32:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 420 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > If it really is the case that the TransFSI variables are being set up > > to the same values when booted and when double clicked (incidentally > > they include FFG* as well as TransFSI*) then you do start to wonder. > > However the error message points to ChangeFSI failing. > I'm just going slightly mad... (To paraphrase a line from Freddy Mercury) > Mnnn! I know we've seen the error message from the Transloader, and the > CFSI err, ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] > (code 7330) > Why I'm going mad is... It doesn't work when TransFSI is auto loaded, > but it does work if TransFSI is double manually clicked. > Yet a *Show, shows the variables are set up in the Auto Run, but they > don't change after a double click and it now works. > Whaaaaaa! I want my mummy! > Dave S > PS: And an answer to cure it. :-) > D. I suppose the question I'm now after is: What is the difference in Auto Running an application at Boot up, and double clicking the app after the machine is running? The fix up I'm using ATM is to have a shortcut to TransFSI on my Pinboard, so I can double click it without delving into directories to find it first. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:03:37 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:03:37 +0200 Message-ID: <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 421 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > >> In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, >> Clive Bonsall wrote: > >>> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >>> I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions >>> of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with >>> PNG files and OP/CFSI? >> >> I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it >> doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) >> that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more >> graphic filetypes. >> >> ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. > > CJE are you following this you sold it to me Sorry, I cannot understand what you mean. Did CJE promise to you that your machine would have all RISC OS Select features? Surely not. ChangeFSI on the Iyonix does not handle PNGs - big deal, there are other programs out there that can handle it and it would be fairly trivial to create a TransPNG TransLoader that used spr2png instead. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:03:08 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:03:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <4485F93A.90606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4485F93A.90606@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 422 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4485F93A.90606@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > >> I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it >> doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) >> that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more >> graphic filetypes. >> >> ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. > > Thanks, that's useful to know. I had wondered what was meant by "PNG > support", tho' I assumed it was something more than CFSI and TransFSI. It is. Select comes with a module to do PNG conversion and it comes with an upgraded version of ChangeFSI that uses this module. So, PNG support in the Select version of ChangeFSI (and hence in TransFSI) is just the tip of the iceberg. PNG support in the OS makes it easier for programs to load/create PNGs. Though it is a nice things to have it is by no means essential to have that functionality in the OS. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:19:40 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:19:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <467 e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420ba fs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 423 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> In article , >> David Pilling wrote: > >> > If it really is the case that the TransFSI variables are being set up >> > to the same values when booted and when double clicked (incidentally >> > they include FFG* as well as TransFSI*) then you do start to wonder. > >> > However the error message points to ChangeFSI failing. > >> I'm just going slightly mad... (To paraphrase a line from Freddy Mercury) > >> Mnnn! I know we've seen the error message from the Transloader, and the >> CFSI err, ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : Unknown or missing variable [43890] >> (code 7330) > >> Why I'm going mad is... It doesn't work when TransFSI is auto loaded, >> but it does work if TransFSI is double manually clicked. > >> Yet a *Show, shows the variables are set up in the Auto Run, but they >> don't change after a double click and it now works. Have you checked *all* variables or just the TransFSI ones? What, for instance, happens to the FFG* variables? What does TransLoader$Tail contain after an unsuccessful attempt to drop in a PNG file? > I suppose the question I'm now after is: > What is the difference in Auto Running an application at Boot up, and > double clicking the app after the machine is running? Well, not surprisingly, the difference is that in the first case, the program is run when you boot up and in the second, it is run when you double-click on it. This can make a big difference if some other program changes something that TransFSI sets up. By the way: There is no point in *running* TransFSI during boot-up. Just "looking at" it is enough. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:51:20 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAMtKhkSBTIgL MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:51:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <467 e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420ba fs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 425 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snip] > By the way: There is no point in *running* TransFSI during boot-up. > Just "looking at" it is enough. > Martin Martin, thank you for your input, it prompted me to look at something else in the equation, and glad to report my machine, Transloaders and OvPro are back to where we were on Saturday last. I use an Application called "TempDir" from Quantum Software, and since Sunday, when I was attempting to sort out Fay's machine (Upgraded to Select 4.39) I have lots of different copies of TransFSI in the various Day directories (I have a 4 day expiry set) so all the current four days, including Sunday had copies of TransFSI. This application (TempDir) is Run to the icon bar after the Boot Run has completed, so it seems the current days contents are seen by the filer... Anyway suffice to say, having now deleted all copies of TransFSI except the one in the Filter directory, it now works as expected. As you are the expert, I'll take your advice and move the filters from Boot Configuration Run to Look at. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:00:41 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:00:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <4e3336e30dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 424 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Thanks for this. Undoubtedly, I am using bigger images than I need to. > But I'm unsure about the optimum mode/dpi setting to use, so advice > would be appreciated. > For non-colour stuff, I tend to scan everything at 8bpp grayscale and > the highest resolution (dpi) that my computer can manage, because I can > always reduce the images to 1bpp and/or lower resolutions, as/when > required. > The JOB is this ... a book DTP'd using OPW, which will contain lots of > line drawings and B&W photos. First, I think it's important to distinguish between the two different types of images you will be using in your book. Lets start with the easy ones - B+W photos. These are in fact grey-scale images and you will want these at 8bpp to give you the range of grey tones you'd expect in a photo. What can often cause confusion is that one person may refer to black and white while describing a grey scale image (such as a photo), while somebody else will take it to mean a 1bpp image. A 1bpp image is referred to as 'line art' and is ONLY black and white with no other tonal (grey) levels. If there are other grey values in the image then it cannot be called line art, even if the picture is drawn as lines. > It will be sent to a commercial printer > either as camera-ready copy or as a series of PDF files. For the line > drawings what would be the optimum resolution -- e.g. is there anything > to be gained by having the images at 1200dpi or even 2400dpi, or will > 600dpi suffice? There are some general guidelines that many people work to when producing artwork/origination for printed mater. In reality there are many factors that come into play when deciding on image resolutions, such as printing method (litho, screen, digital press, di press etc). Factors like device resolution and halftone screen frequency account for most of the decisions. But as a general rule many designers stick to the following: 1bpp line art at 1200 dpi colour or grey scale images at 1.5 to 2 times the lpi halftone screen frequency. So for most sheet-fed litho printed jobs 300 dpi is more then sufficient. For line art I most often use 600 dpi when being printed to our imagesetter, for most jobs this is set at 2400 dpi and 150 lines per inch screen frequency. There is no apparent visible gain in using 1200 dpi over 600. And I'd use 300 dpi when setting grey scale images. > In the process of generating a PDF, downsampling of > images normally occurs. In Acrobat Distiller, if bicubic downsampling > for monochrome images is set to 1200dpi (as in Distiller's press > quality mode), is there any point starting off with an image that is > larger than that? No. But then that's the clue - 1bpp monochrome images don't need to be over 1200dpi when being printed on a press. > For information, these are the guidelines issued by CUP for a > publication I contributed to recently: > "All illustrations, either as CRC (line figures), prints/transparencies > (photographs) or as digital images. If you're submitting the images > digitally then they should be saved at a minimum resolution of 1200 dpi > for line figs/300 dpi for photographs, when saved at the size at which > they'll be reproduced in the book. TIFF or EPS files, please." These are the same values I've written above and are used in most print specs. But what should be carefully noted here (and goes for all the specs I've already written) is that these values are applicable to the image at the size it is to be printed - i.e. when they are in the document and scaled to the final size you require. Ovation Pro has the very handy feature of providing the Picture info dialogue which clearly shows the resolution, in dpi, of the image in the frame at its current scaling - i.e. what it will be when printed. A good method to get your final image sizes down is this: Drop in your overly large scan into the frame and scale it to the desired size. Look at Picture -> Info... and see what the resolution is. Load the image into DPScan, and with the Select/pointer tool selected enter this dpi value into the dpi writable icons and press return. Use Edit -> Resize... and set the Resolution values to the final required values (1200/300 depending on image type) and hey presto you have the required image size when you load it back into OPW. [for RISC OS/DPlngScan use Edit -> Scale, Resample] > In this case I found that my computer (Athlon 2600+, 1GB memory) > couldn't even manage to save 1200dpi TIFFs of some of the illustrations > (those that included grey tones) -- 800dpi was its limit. Yet this is > what many publishers are asking for. Thats the confusion over the terminology being used. Anything with tones only needs to be 300dpi, 1bpp line art at 1200 dpi. One final point - avoid saving images with anti-aliasing turned on - especially when you have areas of solid black against pure white, such as text. It seems to be a very common mistake these days and it can turn a nice design into an instantly poor printed job. I'm just trying to think if I've covered everything. Probably not, so if you are not sure just ask. Having spent over 20 years in the prepress/print industry I find it difficult to sum up that experience into a few paragraphs when someone asks me 'how do you want it?'. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:08:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:08:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <4e334d9ac4nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e3336e30dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> <4e3336e30dgav@cra ford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 426 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Jun, Gavin Crawford wrote: [Snip] > I'm just trying to think if I've covered everything. > Probably not, so if you are not sure just ask. Having spent > over 20 years in the prepress/print industry I find it > difficult to sum up that experience into a few paragraphs > when someone asks me 'how do you want it?'. Very useful information Gavin. Thank you. -- besters.. Ned === North Worcestershire UK skype:nedabell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:31:51 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:31:51 +0100 Message-ID: <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 427 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> > Alan Leighton wrote: > >> In message <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> >> Dave Symes wrote: >> >>> In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >>>> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >>>> I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions >>>> of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with >>>> PNG files and OP/CFSI? >>> >>> I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it >>> doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) >>> that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more >>> graphic filetypes. >>> >>> ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. >> >> CJE are you following this you sold it to me > > Sorry, I cannot understand what you mean. Did CJE promise to you that > your machine would have all RISC OS Select features? Surely not. Well they sold me an Iyonix and the ChangeFSI and it may have pleased me to know right from the start that they would not handle PNGs. No big deal, I still cant get a few images to work easily with OP and the Iyonix. Alan > > ChangeFSI on the Iyonix does not handle PNGs - big deal, there are > other programs out there that can handle it and it would be fairly > trivial to create a TransPNG TransLoader that used spr2png instead. > > Martin -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:36:03 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAArUhkSBTIVdgjEs MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:36:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e336b9044dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 428 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snip] > > Sorry, I cannot understand what you mean. Did CJE promise to you that > > your machine would have all RISC OS Select features? Surely not. > Well they sold me an Iyonix and the ChangeFSI and it may have pleased > me to know right from the start that they would not handle PNGs. No > big deal, I still cant get a few images to work easily with OP and the > Iyonix. > Alan > > > > ChangeFSI on the Iyonix does not handle PNGs - big deal, there are > > other programs out there that can handle it and it would be fairly > > trivial to create a TransPNG TransLoader that used spr2png instead. > > > > Martin It is a great convenience to have things done automatically, but as Martin notes there are other things that'll do the job, but only manually. DPlngscan for example, is the app I use most for manual graphic file conversion. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:15:31 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <448741F3.2090709@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:15:31 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawf rd-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> <4e323a2ff5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk> <4e3336e30dgav@cra ford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e3336e30dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 429 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4485F791.9000609@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Thanks for this. Undoubtedly, I am using bigger images than I need to. >> But I'm unsure about the optimum mode/dpi setting to use, so advice >> would be appreciated. > >> For non-colour stuff, I tend to scan everything at 8bpp grayscale and >> the highest resolution (dpi) that my computer can manage, because I can >> always reduce the images to 1bpp and/or lower resolutions, as/when >> required. > >> The JOB is this ... a book DTP'd using OPW, which will contain lots of >> line drawings and B&W photos. > > First, I think it's important to distinguish between the two different > types of images you will be using in your book. > > Lets start with the easy ones - B+W photos. These are in fact grey-scale > images and you will want these at 8bpp to give you the range of grey > tones you'd expect in a photo. > > What can often cause confusion is that one person may refer to black and > white while describing a grey scale image (such as a photo), while somebody > else will take it to mean a 1bpp image. A 1bpp image is referred to as > 'line art' and is ONLY black and white with no other tonal (grey) > levels. If there are other grey values in the image then it cannot be > called line art, even if the picture is drawn as lines. > >> It will be sent to a commercial printer >> either as camera-ready copy or as a series of PDF files. For the line >> drawings what would be the optimum resolution -- e.g. is there anything >> to be gained by having the images at 1200dpi or even 2400dpi, or will >> 600dpi suffice? > > There are some general guidelines that many people work to when > producing artwork/origination for printed mater. In reality there are > many factors that come into play when deciding on image resolutions, > such as printing method (litho, screen, digital press, di press etc)... [snip] > I'm just trying to think if I've covered everything. Probably not, so if > you are not sure just ask. Having spent over 20 years in the > prepress/print industry I find it difficult to sum up that experience > into a few paragraphs when someone asks me 'how do you want it?'. Gavin - this is all extremely helpful to me, and I'm sure it will be appreciated by other subscribers to the Softwarelist. Many thanks! Thanks also to Alan Adams for his input yesterday. One comment ... Re. getting image sizes down to the dimensions required by a publisher. I use Photoshop for scanning and it's easy to change the dimensions of a scanned image without changing the dpi setting. I never really thought of doing this in OP(W) + DPScan using the method you suggest, but it's interesting to know it can be done that way. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:33:44 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:33:44 +0200 Message-ID: <06d870334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 430 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > >> In message <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> >> Alan Leighton wrote: >> >>>> In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, >>>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>>>> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >>>> [...] >>> CJE are you following this you sold it to me >> >> Sorry, I cannot understand what you mean. Did CJE promise to you that >> your machine would have all RISC OS Select features? Surely not. > > Well they sold me an Iyonix and the ChangeFSI and it may have pleased > me to know right from the start that they would not handle PNGs. By "they" you mean the Iyonix and ChangeFSI? That does not make sense. Of course, the Iyonix handles PNGs fine (e.g., using Spr2Png). As far as ChangeFSI is concerned, there is an infinite number things it does NOT do. Did you really expect anyone to tell you all of them? You would still be there listening. And for each of the other applications that come with RISC OS there is an equally large number of things it does NOT do. I am certain you do not want to know all of them nor could anyone tell you all of them in a lifetime. So, unless you specifically asked for PNG handling when buying your machine I cannot see how you could blame CJE for anything. The fact that you cannot load PNG files into OvationPro is not a limitation of your version of RISC OS but a limitation of the software setup you have on your machine. If you really want that feature you may want to ask whether someone wants to provide a solution. As I pointed out it would be relatively easy to provide such a solution working on any version of RISC OS. Your Iyonix can do a lot of things that a machine with RISC OS Select cannot do - and vice versa. On neither system an out of the box copy of OvationPro will load PNG files nor has OvationPro ever been advertised as being capable of loading PNG files. RISC OS Select happens to have a software setup that allows this feature to be added to OvationPro relatively easily, but it could just as well be done for the Iyonix, just in a slightly different way. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 8 Jun 2006 01:19:37 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 01:19:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 431 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Anyway suffice to say, having now deleted all copies of TransFSI except >the one in the Filter directory, it now works as expected. Thank goodness for that... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:03:44 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAOpOh0SBTIgPLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:03:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 432 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Anyway suffice to say, having now deleted all copies of TransFSI except > >the one in the Filter directory, it now works as expected. > Thank goodness for that... Indeedy, and I'll take this opportunity to thank everyone for their input. Thanks. *But*, the original problem that prompted my initial posting still exists, and now my machine is back in order, I must start to work on hers. Even though, as far as I can see, hers and mine are now very similar in setup, OS, OvPro, TransFSI, ChangeFSI, I still cannot get a PNG or BMP to load into an OvPro frame. Same old messages... And there are no errant copies of TransFSI laying around her HD. Later today after I've done some work, work, I'll have a look at it in more detail. If anyone has any addition thought on the matter, please I'd appreciate them. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:49:20 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:49:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e339e37c0steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <06d870334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> <06d870334e martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 433 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 07 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Your Iyonix can do a lot of things that a machine with RISC OS Select > cannot do - and vice versa. On neither system an out of the box copy > of OvationPro will load PNG files nor has OvationPro ever been > advertised as being capable of loading PNG files. It's probably pertinent that PNG support in Select is a recent thing. Even more pertinent that ROL have been promising (well vaguely mentioning the possibility) to produce a version of Select for all machines. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:18:59 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:18:59 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukg teway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> <85fae832 e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <103160334e.alan@ntlworld.com> <06d870334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e339e37c0steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e339e37c0steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 434 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 8 Jun, Steven Pampling wrote= : > On 07 Jun, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > Your Iyonix can do a lot of things that a machine with RISC OS Select= =20 > > cannot do - and vice versa. On neither system an out of the box copy=20 > > of OvationPro will load PNG files nor has OvationPro ever been=20 > > advertised as being capable of loading PNG files. >=20 > It's probably pertinent that PNG support in Select is a recent thing. >=20 > Even more pertinent that ROL have been promising (well vaguely mentioni= ng > the possibility) to produce a version of Select for all machines. What I heard at Wakefield was really rather categoric that ROL were going to do Select for Iyonix, though possibly in stages and probably as an add-on rather than a ROM replacement. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:41:51 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:41:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 435 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >*But*, the original problem that prompted my initial posting still exists, Oh. 8-( Well when you've had a tinker, re-summarise the problem. I've lost track. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:59:53 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:59:53 +0200 Message-ID: <1c9fd0334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325 23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32 fb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 436 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: >>*But*, the original problem that prompted my initial posting still exists, > > Oh. 8-( > > Well when you've had a tinker, re-summarise the problem. I've lost > track. Dave's problem was that with two seemingly identically setup machines, one allowed PNGs to be imported into OP and one does not. Dave, could you try the following: Boot up both machines and on each machine load OP, create a new document, drop in a PNG to verify that one machine does indeed allow you to import the PNG and the other one does not. On both machines, open a TaskWindow and type: *Show FFG* *Show Trans* *Show ChangeFSI* *Info .ChangeFSI *Filer_Run .!Run The last line makes a copy of ChangeFSI appear on the icon bar. Go to its Info entry on the menu and let us know the version number and post the contents of the task window after typing all the above things. By the time you have done that you might have found out yourself what causes the different behaviour, but if not, we will probably be able to tell. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:18:52 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44886A0C.8050303@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:18:52 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <1cad26334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 437 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <85fae8324e.alan@ntlworld.com> > Alan Leighton wrote: > >> In message <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> >> Dave Symes wrote: >> >>> In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>>> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >>>> I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions >>>> of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with >>>> PNG files and OP/CFSI? [snip] > ChangeFSI on the Iyonix does not handle PNGs - big deal, there are > other programs out there that can handle it and it would be fairly > trivial to create a TransPNG TransLoader that used spr2png instead. ... which would add to the functionality of RO5. So, would you be willing to write the TransLoader? I would certainly be willing to contribute to the cost. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:28:15 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CALoFiESBTIgOLHY MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:28:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 438 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: Dave Symes wrote: > >*But*, the original problem that prompted my initial posting still > >exists, > Oh. 8-( > Well when you've had a tinker, re-summarise the problem. I've lost > track. Me too. So here goes. My machine is a SARPC, Select RO 4.39 CFSI version 1.27 Ovation Pro 2.77 and now as previous to this past Sunday I can drop BMP or PNG files into an Ovation Pro frame and they display okay. Her machine is a SARPC, Select RO 4.39 CFSI version 1.27 Ovation Pro 2.77, If I drop a BMP or PNG into an Ovation Pro Frame, we get the old error messages. "Message from TransLoader." "File could not be converted." This adds a new entry to the ChangeFSI list in *Show ChangeFSI* ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : PNG conversion failed (out of memory) [15882] (code 7330) It's worth noting the PNG in question is just over 25K in size. She has the same Select translator modules as I have, so if a PNG or BMP is manually dropped onto CFSI it opens and displays them correctly. *Show for relevant entries on both machine are pasted in below. Dave's Machine from a Task window: ********************** *Show TransFSI* TransFSI$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransFSI TransFSI$Path : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransFSI. * * *Show FFG* FFGServer$OvHTML : -T &FAF &B25 -R OvHTML$Dir FFGServer$TransData : -T &FFD &B25 -R TransData$Dir FFGServer$TransDDF : -T &707 &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI : -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &FF0 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI_2 : -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransIMP : -T &BC5 &B25 -T &2000 &B25 -R TransIMP$Dir FFGServer$TransPCD : -T &BE8 &FF9 -R TransPCD$Dir FFGServer$TransRTF : -T &C32 &B25 -R TransRTF$Dir FFGServer$TranTIFF+ : -T &FF0 &AFF -R TranTIFF+$Dir * *Show TransLoader$Tail TransLoader$Tail : S32,90,90r { > null: } * *Show ChangeFSI* ChangeFSI$Cache : 256K ChangeFSI$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.Apps.!ChangeFSI ChangeFSI$PCDIndex : 3 * Fay's Machine from a Task window: --------------------------------- Show TransFSI* TransFSI$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransFSI TransFSI$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransFSI. * *Show FFG* FFGServer$TransData : -T &FFD &B25 -R TransData$Dir FFGServer$TransDDF : -T &707 &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI : -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &FF0 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI_2 : -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransIMP : -T &BC5 &B25 -T &2000 &B25 -R TransIMP$Dir FFGServer$TransPCD : -T &BE8 &FF9 -R TransPCD$Dir FFGServer$TransRTF : -T &C32 &B25 -R TransRTF$Dir FFGServer$TransWord : -T &AE6 &B25 -R TransWord$Dir FFGServer$TranTIFF+ : -T &FF0 &AFF -R TranTIFF+$Dir * *Show TransLoader$Tail* * *Show ChangeFSI* ChangeFSI$Cache : 256K ChangeFSI$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!ChangeFSI ChangeFSI$PCDIndex : 3 * ***************************** And then after a failed attempt the extra line in ChangeFSI* ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : PNG conversion failed (out of memory) [15882] (code 7330) I really don't know where to go from here. Anyone any additional useful thoughts please. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:33:21 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:33:21 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 439 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> That may be the source of the problem. In this thread a few days ago I >> asked why I could get PNG files to load into OP and CFSI on a VRPC >> (RiscOS 4) but not on an Iyonix (RiscOS 5). I got no response ... but >> further delving on the Internet led me to the following page: >> http://www.iyonix.com/iyonix/features/503notes.shtml > >> This indicates that RO 5.03 had no PNG support, unlike RiscOS 4 select. >> I'm not aware that PNG support has been provided in subsequent versions >> of RO5. Does this perhaps explain why neither of us has had any joy with >> PNG files and OP/CFSI? > >> Perhaps someone with more technical knowledge of these matters would >> like to comment ...? Clive Bonsall > > Clive, > I would assume, because the Iyonix version of RISC OS is a retro OS, it > doesn't contain the additional graphic convert modules (ConvertPNG 0.37) > that the RO Select/Adjust versions have, that enable CFSI to convert more > graphic filetypes. > > ConvertPNG, BMP, etc. > Dave S Thanks. Anyone know where ConvertPNG is located on a VRPC? Related question ... is there a utility that will search for files on a VRPC. ISTR that I've tried Steve Fryatt's !Locate, and it doesn't work with VRPC. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:56:58 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CANMMiESBTIgOLHY MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:56:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e33e653cedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <1c9fd0334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325 23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32 fb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> 1c9fd0334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 442 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1c9fd0334e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>*But*, the original problem that prompted my initial posting still > >>exists, > > > > Oh. 8-( > > > > Well when you've had a tinker, re-summarise the problem. I've lost > > track. > Dave's problem was that with two seemingly identically setup machines, > one allowed PNGs to be imported into OP and one does not. > Dave, could you try the following: Boot up both machines and on each > machine load OP, create a new document, drop in a PNG to verify that > one machine does indeed allow you to import the PNG and the other one > does not. > On both machines, open a TaskWindow and type: > *Show FFG* > *Show Trans* > *Show ChangeFSI* > *Info .ChangeFSI > *Filer_Run .!Run > The last line makes a copy of ChangeFSI appear on the icon bar. Go to > its Info entry on the menu and let us know the version number and post > the contents of the task window after typing all the above things. By > the time you have done that you might have found out yourself what > causes the different behaviour, but if not, we will probably be able > to tell. > Martin Thank for the note Martin, the required are pasted in below, and aside from an extra TransWord filter in her list ,I can see no difference. Cheers Dave S PS: I don't have it installed on my machine. And it is worth noting, as a test I have uninstalled it on her machine and rebooted, but the PNG into OvPro still fails. ****************************** Dave's Tasks: *Show FFG* FFGServer$OvHTML : -T &FAF &B25 -R OvHTML$Dir FFGServer$TransData : -T &FFD &B25 -R TransData$Dir FFGServer$TransDDF : -T &707 &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI : -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &FF0 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI_2 : -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransIMP : -T &BC5 &B25 -T &2000 &B25 -R TransIMP$Dir FFGServer$TransPCD : -T &BE8 &FF9 -R TransPCD$Dir FFGServer$TransRTF : -T &C32 &B25 -R TransRTF$Dir FFGServer$TranTIFF+ : -T &FF0 &AFF -R TranTIFF+$Dir * *Show Trans* TransData$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransData TransData$Path : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransData. TransDDF$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransDDF TransFSI$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransFSI TransFSI$Path : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransFSI. TransIMP$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransIMP TransIMP$Path : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransIMP. TransPCD$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransPCD TransPCD$Path : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransPCD. TransRTF$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransRTF TransRTF$Path : ADFS::HD4.$.WP_App.OvationPro.Filters.!TransRTF. * *Show ChangeFSI* ChangeFSI$Cache : 256K ChangeFSI$Dir : ADFS::HD4.$.Apps.!ChangeFSI ChangeFSI$PCDIndex : 3 * *Info .ChangeFSI ChangeFSI WR/ BASIC 19:25:35 22-Mar-2004 177 Kbytes * *Filer_Run .!Run * CFSI version 1.27 (06 May 2003) **************************** Fay's Task: *Show FFG* FFGServer$TransData : -T &FFD &B25 -R TransData$Dir FFGServer$TransDDF : -T &707 &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI : -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &FF0 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransFSI_2 : -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir FFGServer$TransIMP : -T &BC5 &B25 -T &2000 &B25 -R TransIMP$Dir FFGServer$TransPCD : -T &BE8 &FF9 -R TransPCD$Dir FFGServer$TransRTF : -T &C32 &B25 -R TransRTF$Dir FFGServer$TransWord : -T &AE6 &B25 -R TransWord$Dir FFGServer$TranTIFF+ : -T &FF0 &AFF -R TranTIFF+$Dir * *Show Trans* TransData$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransData TransData$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransData. TransDDF$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransDDF TransFSI$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransFSI TransFSI$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransFSI. TransIMP$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransIMP TransIMP$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransIMP. TransPCD$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransPCD TransPCD$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransPCD. TransRTF$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransRTF TransRTF$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransRTF. TransWord$CharTrans : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransWord.!CharTrans TransWord$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransWord TransWord$Path : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.WPs.OvPro.Filters.!TransWord. * *Show ChangeFSI* ChangeFSI$Cache : 256K ChangeFSI$Dir : ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Apps.!ChangeFSI ChangeFSI$PCDIndex : 3 * *Info .ChangeFSI ChangeFSI WR/ BASIC 19:25:35 22-Mar-2004 177 Kbytes * *Filer_Run .!Run * CFSI version 1.27 (06 May 2003) ********************** -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:59:42 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:59:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325 23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32 fb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> 4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 440 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Fay's Machine from a Task window: > --------------------------------- > *Show TransLoader$Tail* > * > And then after a failed attempt the extra line in ChangeFSI* > > ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : PNG conversion failed (out of memory) [15882] (code > 7330) So, what about TransLoader$Tail after a failed attempt on Fay's machine? The above would imply that it still is not defined. If so, then this would indicate that the copy of TransFSI is not the same as on your machine. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:28:43 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAOsoiESBTIgPLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:28:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e33eeba55dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 441 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: [Snip] > Thanks. Anyone know where ConvertPNG is located on a VRPC? > Related question ... is there a utility that will search for files on a > VRPC. ISTR that I've tried Steve Fryatt's !Locate, and it doesn't work > with VRPC. It's part of the OS, do Ctrl+ f12 and in the task window write Modules, when it has finished writing to screen scroll back up to somewhere around position 147. Alternatively, use a Module filer programme like !Verma or the one I'm sending you privately. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:48:29 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAOsoiESBTIgPLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:48:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e33f08995dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325 23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32 fb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> 4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 443 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > Fay's Machine from a Task window: > > --------------------------------- > > *Show TransLoader$Tail* > > * > > And then after a failed attempt the extra line in ChangeFSI* > > > > ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : PNG conversion failed (out of memory) [15882] > > (code 7330) > So, what about TransLoader$Tail after a failed attempt on Fay's > machine? The above would imply that it still is not defined. If so, > then this would indicate that the copy of TransFSI is not the same as > on your machine. > Martin Mmnn! early this morning, I deleted the copy of TransFSI in her Filters directory and put a copy out of mine in to replace it, strange business. I've done the process again, and what I'm now getting on her machine with a *TransLoader$Tail* is TransLoader$Tail : 28r { > null: } Compared to my machine TransLoader$Tail : S32,90,90r { > null: } But the difference is because she generally uses a C256 Mode and I use a C16M colour mode. Worth noting, if I change her machine screen mode resolution to C16M then do a TransLoader$Tail the reply is the same as my machine TransLoader$Tail : S32,90,90r { > null: } But it doesn't make any difference to the failure to convert the file. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:25:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:25:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : PNG conversion failed (out of memory) [15882] (code >7330) I've had little luck with this problem... but the above strikes me as the interesting bit. Firstly it is different to what you quoted a few days ago. That error: > >Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) was a bit opaque. This one seems clearer. I wonder what the error is when a BMP fails to load? You've given us a run down on his and her machines, but do they have the same amount of memory in? I could imagine something like ChangeFSI is grabbing all the memory in the machine leaving not enough for the module based PNG code. Do the machines have the same setting for the 'next' slot and what is it? You've said she is an Impression user, the transloaders should also work on Impression, allowing a PNG (or BMP) to be loaded into that... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:35:12 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAP+uiESBTIgOLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:35:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 445 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : PNG conversion failed (out of memory) [15882] (code > >7330) > I've had little luck with this problem... but the above strikes me as > the interesting bit. > Firstly it is different to what you quoted a few days ago. That error: > > >Unknown or missing variable [43890] (code 7330) > was a bit opaque. This one seems clearer. > I wonder what the error is when a BMP fails to load? Well there isn't an error, I've been concentrating on PNGs as they are my file of choice, and the main problem, so I'd forgotten about BMPs. I've just tried a small BMP and it loads into Both an OvPro frame and a Publisher frame on her machine. On her machine, even if I force the error by reducing the Next slot (See My Machine below (xx)) the ChangeFSI$ReturnCode : error is not presented. > You've given us a run down on his and her machines, but do they have the > same amount of memory in? No. Mine has 96+2MB (64+32+2 VRAM) and I have a Viewfinder card. She has 32+2 (16+16+2 VRAM) and no Viewfinder card. > I could imagine something like ChangeFSI is grabbing all the memory in > the machine leaving not enough for the module based PNG code. Do the > machines have the same setting for the 'next' slot and what is it? Ah well, so as not to muddy the water and keep things simple, I've not reported everthing I've been looking at. [Her Machine]************* Normal circumstances after a Boot up: 1048K Next slot. 19560 Free Slot. After opening OvPro, Free has 17116K availiable. I have tried various thing, like closing down all none essential apps to increase the available memory... No change. Increased the Next slot a lot... No change. Yes! CFSI or whatever is doing the conversion, is grabbing all of the available Free allocation, that applies with either BMP or PNG, and no matter what I manually set it to, it still grabs the lot and won't convert the tiny PNG [My machine]************** 10MB allocated to the Next slot. 72MB Free slot. The same process happens on my machine during the conversion, in that whatever I've allocated to the Next slot is grabbed by whatever is doing the translation. Even up to 28MB. (xx) Interestingly (The same PNG test file is being used on both machines) I can get my Next slot down as low as 184K and the conversion still works on this particular file; Below that and it fails and presents the Transloader error: "File could not be converted". The above also applies to the Test BMP on my machine, and the same test BMP one her machine. > You've said she is an Impression user, the transloaders should also work > on Impression, allowing a PNG (or BMP) to be loaded into that... Yes tested that before as well... The transloader will load the test BMP into Impression, but presents the same problem with the PNG.. I'm hoping you can devine some clue from the above, because I'm well past my knowledge base... :-( Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:33:13 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:33:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 446 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >No. Mine has 96+2MB (64+32+2 VRAM) and I have a Viewfinder card. >She has 32+2 (16+16+2 VRAM) and no Viewfinder card. So she does have quite a bit less memory... The test PNG, how big is it in expanded form? e.g. if you load it into DPScan, what size does it report. Just that you can have a very small PNG that expands to a very large sprite. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:47:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAISIiUSBTIgMLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:47:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 447 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >No. Mine has 96+2MB (64+32+2 VRAM) and I have a Viewfinder card. > >She has 32+2 (16+16+2 VRAM) and no Viewfinder card. > So she does have quite a bit less memory... > The test PNG, how big is it in expanded form? e.g. if you load it into > DPScan, what size does it report. Just that you can have a very small > PNG that expands to a very large sprite. I thought I'd mentioned that previously, in case not... It's just a thumbnail, 56K in expanded form. It's worth pointing out that the BMP that will load into an OvPro frame on her machine, is the same file converted in DPlngscan from PNG to BMP and is obviously much bigger. Cheers Dave -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:17:29 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:17:29 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 448 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >It's worth pointing out that the BMP that will load into an OvPro frame on >her machine, is the same file converted in DPlngscan from PNG to BMP and >is obviously much bigger. Looking at ChangeFSI, it does set its memory slot within bounds. I wonder if there is anything to be gained from twiddling any of the other memory allocations - I was thinking of the module area. I don't know where the PNG module gets its memory from. Another test (I'd have to work out the details for you) would be to try and convert a PNG to Sprite, using ChangeFSI from the command line. That is very close to what the transloaders are doing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:04:38 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CADzzi0SBS4gNLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:04:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 449 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It's worth pointing out that the BMP that will load into an OvPro frame > >on her machine, is the same file converted in DPlngscan from PNG to BMP > >and is obviously much bigger. > Looking at ChangeFSI, it does set its memory slot within bounds. > I wonder if there is anything to be gained from twiddling any of the > other memory allocations - I was thinking of the module area. I don't > know where the PNG module gets its memory from. Interesting you should mention that, because that's one of the things I've tried... Dragging the memory allocated much larger... Still no go though. As to where the PNG module gets its memory from... Pass! > Another test (I'd have to work out the details for you) would be to try > and convert a PNG to Sprite, using ChangeFSI from the command line. That > is very close to what the transloaders are doing. Ah yes well, I'm aware that CFSI can be command line run. but I've never actually managed to get it to do anything, obviously not written the command string correctly. :-( Thanks for still mulling the problem over. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:55:16 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:55:16 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 450 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Ah yes well, I'm aware that CFSI can be command line run. but I've never >actually managed to get it to do anything, obviously not written the >command string correctly. :-( The stuff between the cut marks is a typical command line. You can save it as an obey file. Then if you have a file called test/png in the same folder as the obey file you just created, then when the obey file is double clicked a sprite file should appear. ----------------------------------8<------------------------- .ChangeFSI .test/png .test/spr 28r { > null: } ----------------------------------8<------------------------- You could also open a task window, or F12 and type the command. In that case miss out . and have the test/png in the current directory. Working this out brought out the point that what I said in the previous email was wrong - when TransFSI calls up ChangeFSI no slot setting goes on. So what you set for the next slot is important. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:46:34 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:46:34 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Replacement Transient Utilities (A9, new RISC OS) References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 451 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >> Slight snag with this new version. I was told some weeks ago that the >> latest version of RISC OS i.e. on the A9 requires transient utilities >> with special headers. >grateful that you have made the necessary changes; and look forward to >downloading the updates. OK, the great TU (transient utility) thing. Which only worries you if you are using an A9 with protection against transient utility code with no headers turned on. Otherwise relax. I've redone Ovation Pro 2.77. The upgrade is available from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip All that's gone on here is that I've uploaded a new upgrader, which in addition to the last version copies over the new IfExists utility. Given this you might be better to read on... There is an archive of replacement transient utilities here: http://www.davidpilling.net/apptu.zip This covers the three TUs which are used in many of my programs. IfExists IfIs2D !Run the latter is used in almost all Ovation Pro applets. So if you're fussed, you can upgrade your TU files. Applets are going to be a complete picnic, because for years to come you will be getting applets which don't use the new !Run TU. I will upgrade the applets on my web site only when new versions appear for other reasons besides the new TUs. I can't justify spending the time just for these TUs. I don't control all applets, there are many produced by third parties. Some of these authors are no longer active in the RISC OS world. The good news is that the TU is only used if you double click an applet to toggle it on/off. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:13:42 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAH6jjESBS4gNLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:13:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 452 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Ah yes well, I'm aware that CFSI can be command line run. but I've never > >actually managed to get it to do anything, obviously not written the > >command string correctly. :-( > The stuff between the cut marks is a typical command line. You can save > it as an obey file. Then if you have a file called test/png in the same > folder as the obey file you just created, then when the obey file is > double clicked a sprite file should appear. > ----------------------------------8<------------------------- > .ChangeFSI .test/png .test/spr 28r { > null: } > ----------------------------------8<------------------------- > You could also open a task window, or F12 and type the command. In that > case miss out > . > and have the test/png in the current directory. Thanks David. I set this up on my machine as an obey file and tested it, it works as expected. Transferred to her machine and it doesn't work. (Obey and test/png were in the same dir). > Working this out brought out the point that what I said in the previous > email was wrong - when TransFSI calls up ChangeFSI no slot setting goes > on. So what you set for the next slot is important. Yes, and as noted in a past posting I've tested with a variety of amounts alocated to the Next slot. Again, with the Obey CLI CFSI test, I've varied the amount of the next slot up to 10Mbytes, it still will not do the business. This is very baffling. Thanks Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:07:36 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:07:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacement Transient Utilities (A9, new RISC OS) Message-ID: <4e35ba3879Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 453 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > The good news is that the TU is only used if you double click an > applet to toggle it on/off. Wouldn't it be simpler just to replace each of these with a short BASIC program that does the same thing? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:24:30 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:24:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e35bbc483Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e35aa4caddfs@ukg teway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 454 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > I set this up on my machine as an obey file and tested it, it works as > expected. > Transferred to her machine and it doesn't work. (Obey and test/png > were in the same dir). That command: .ChangeFSI .test/png .test/spr 28r { > null: } generates some output which is written to "null:" ie just thrown away. If you change the command to, say: .ChangeFSI .test/png .test/spr 28r { > RAM::0.$.CFSIout } and inspect the output, is thre anything useful in it? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:27:25 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:27:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e35bc089dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e324 9c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ kgateway.net> <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Related question ... is there a utility that will search for files on > a VRPC. ISTR that I've tried Steve Fryatt's !Locate, and it doesn't > work with VRPC. Why not? Surely, if !Locate uses standard RO services, it should do. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:21:39 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:21:39 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4E35C0FFC9%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32479c18dfs@ukg teway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343dfs@ukgateway.net> <44886D71 70205@ed.ac.uk> <4e35bc089dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e35bc089dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 4.12 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 456 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e35bc089dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > Related question ... is there a utility that will search for files on > > a VRPC. ISTR that I've tried Steve Fryatt's !Locate, and it doesn't > > work with VRPC. > Why not? Surely, if !Locate uses standard RO services, it should do. Version 89b works fine on my VRPC (RO 4.39). -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net Everyone stopping by with unsought advice will see your mistake From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:54:40 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:54:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacement Transient Utilities (A9, new RISC OS) References: <767a1d314e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4e35ba3879Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e35ba3879Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 457 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Wouldn't it be simpler just to replace each of these with a short BASIC >program that does the same thing? That's a fair comment. The utilities are more efficient - time and memory used. However at this point, the difficulty is deployment not coding. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:59:03 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:59:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 458 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >I set this up on my machine as an obey file and tested it, it works as >expected. >Transferred to her machine and it doesn't work. (Obey and test/png were in >the same dir). That is an interesting result. As Jeremy Nicoll said, it would be interesting to see the output of the command. This should be the same as the ChangeFSI result string you've quoted before. Getting the same problem from an obey file is a step forward because you remove all the complications with OP and the transloaders. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:47:23 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKw9jUSBS4gOLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:47:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e35e9ce97dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 459 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I set this up on my machine as an obey file and tested it, it works as > >expected. Transferred to her machine and it doesn't work. (Obey and > >test/png were in the same dir). > That is an interesting result. > As Jeremy Nicoll said, it would be interesting to see the output of the > command. This should be the same as the ChangeFSI result string you've > quoted before. > Getting the same problem from an obey file is a step forward because you > remove all the complications with OP and the transloaders. She's doing some work on her machine ATM, but later this eveining when she's finished, I'll give it a test. I've just tried it on my machine and it doesn't produce anything much. 00000000 : 0016 : V0 And that's it. On her machine it produced 00000000 : Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:48:42 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAKw9jUSBS4gOLA MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:48:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e35e9ed6fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e35bbc483Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32969c61dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e329af0cbdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32bfb075dfs@ukgateway.net> <4672e5324e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4e32eba7addfs@ukgateway.net> <4e331420badfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3323dc65dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e333607f0dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e339a0ad5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e33e3b2b6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3426408bdfs@ukgateway.net> <0R7v4mAZkeiEFwcA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e3479cea3dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e356d0b14dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e35aa4caddfs@ukg teway.net> <4e35bbc483Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e35bbc483Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4e35aa4caddfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I set this up on my machine as an obey file and tested it, it works as > > expected. > > Transferred to her machine and it doesn't work. (Obey and test/png > > were in the same dir). > That command: > .ChangeFSI .test/png > .test/spr 28r { > null: } > generates some output which is written to "null:" ie just thrown away. > If you change the command to, say: > .ChangeFSI .test/png > .test/spr 28r { > RAM::0.$.CFSIout } > and inspect the output, is thre anything useful in it? Thanks for that bit 'O info Jeremy. I'll try that out on her machine later this evening when she's finished her work. I've just tried it on my machine and it doesn't produce anything much. 00000000 : 0016 : V0 And that's it. On her machine it produced 00000000 : Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:14:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAK64kkSBS4gf MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:14:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3801284adfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 461 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I'm continuing to faf about with her machine and I seem to be wasting more and more time, and getting grumpier and grumpier, trying to fathom out why, whatever, will not shove a very small PNG file into Ovation Pro or even Imp Publisher. I assume from the silence, no one else has had any additional thoughts? Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:44 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <44956F88.4000902@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:44 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders References: <4e314bdcbadfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e3a5c8dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e31e74764dfs@u gateway.net> <75EsCNEth3gEFw+Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e321727dfdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e32 79c18dfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3258aaaddfs@ukgateway.net> <4e325d23b5dfs@ukgateway.net> <4485B445.3030700@ed.ac.uk> <35bfd9324e.alan@ntlworld.com> <4485C950.5090600@ed.ac.uk> <4e32e58343d s@ukgateway.net> <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk> <4e35bc089dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4E35C0FFC9%mik.towse@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <4E35C0FFC9%mik.towse@xemik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Mik Towse wrote: > In article <4e35bc089dJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: >> In article <44886D71.70205@ed.ac.uk>, >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> Related question ... is there a utility that will search for files on >>> a VRPC. ISTR that I've tried Steve Fryatt's !Locate, and it doesn't >>> work with VRPC. >> Why not? Surely, if !Locate uses standard RO services, it should do. > Version 89b works fine on my VRPC (RO 4.39). So it does ... my apologies. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:47:22 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAO+GokSBSohW MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:47:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3e3d2729dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 463 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Just wondering if anyone has anymore thoughts on the matter, as on Her machine I just cannot get PNGs to load into OvPro or Publisher frames. I have no avenues left. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:08:14 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-ME-UUID: 20060628220909338.52B974800086@mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Date calculations in OPro? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:08:14 +0100 Message-ID: <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 464 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Each year we run a camp. Each year I produce the 24-page handbook using OPro on RISC OS. 90% of the content is the same as the previous year, with the dates adjusted. Each year I forget to update at least one of the dates. Is there a way to set up these dates so that they are calculated using offsets from one date field, and displayed as dates? For example the equipment loading might be D-1, the departure day D, thefirst day in camp D+1, to use a system more common among the military. D+1 would then be shown as Monday 24th July this year, then Monday 23rd July next year, because the origin date will be changed. I appreciate it's easy in a spreadsheet, and I could therefore mailmerge them in, but I wondered whether there was an applet for example which could do this? Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:38:29 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:38:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Date calculations in OPro? Message-ID: <4e3e9f3783gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > Each year we run a camp. Each year I produce the 24-page handbook > using OPro on RISC OS. 90% of the content is the same as the previous > year, with the dates adjusted. > Each year I forget to update at least one of the dates. > Is there a way to set up these dates so that they are calculated using > offsets from one date field, and displayed as dates? [Snip] I don't know of any applets for doing what you want, but you could easily add some bookmarks to the document at each of the dates, then next year, you can bounce through the bookmarks to check you've altered them all. Also, (depending on the design of your book) you could create a new colour based on yellow, but make it non-printing. Then create a new style with it's scope set to Selection. Set only the Background colour of the text and set it to use your new non-printing yellow. You now have a highlighter style that you can apply over the dates and clearly see them within the document so you won't miss any, and the yellow highlighter colour won't show on your printout. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:12:15 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMADu1o0SBSohY MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:12:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transloaders Message-ID: <4e3eb2c9dcdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4e315dc3bcdfs@ukgateway.net> <4e3e3d2729dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e3e3d2729dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 28 Jun, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has anymore thoughts on the matter, as on Her > machine I just cannot get PNGs to load into OvPro or Publisher frames. > I have no avenues left. > Cheers > Dave S Well another alleyway came into focus... damn strange business. I've found a way to do it, not so convenient as just dropping into an OvPro (etc) frame, but it'll do as a temp measure. OvPro window open, and required frame created. Run CFSI to Icon bar, drop PNG onto it... Gets processed and displays... Over the resulting display picture, do Menu -Copy to clipboard. Click the mouse pointer inside the OvPro frame and do Ctrl-V and hey magico the PNG is now in the OvPro frame. But of course, I still can't drop a PNG onto the OvPro frame and get it to display. Doh! Dave S --