From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 3 18:24:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbL0y-0cHGPo-05-AEx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:24:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbL0y-0cHGPo-05-AEx; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:19:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbL0y-0cHGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:19:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FbL0x-0000Op-Nv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 17:19:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9036A30FBB1 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27097-09-3 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7052C310C6F for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 May 2006 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C0EA30FBB1 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26863-05 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54FC22E1375 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FbL06-0007CF-7L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:18:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:18:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Transferring a mail-merge document from RISCOS to WinXP Message-ID: <4e215341b9badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I'm using Ovation Pro RISCOS 2.76 and Win Ovation Pro 2.90 I have a mail-merge document created in RISCOS which uses the following merge fields codes to strip out empty lines in the final document. {macv=merge_strip2(3,1,9)} {macv=merge_strip2(3,2,9)} {macv=merge_strip2(3,3,9)} etc. I have copied this document to my WindowsXP PC and set up a csv file. However, when I try to >mail merge>First the following error appears: Error:Unknown identifier merge_strip2 at line 1 in macro This error repeats - it's only possible to escape by closing WinOvnPro via the Task Manager. Presumably I need to re-phrase the macro statements... can anyone advise me in what way. Thanks Richard -- Richard Brock From colinc@argonet.co.uk Wed May 3 19:04:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbLf6-2WkGPo-02-9ap."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:04:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forward@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbLf6-2WkGPo-02-9ap; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:01:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbLf6-2WkGPo-02 for forward@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:01:20 +0000 Received: from [212.241.248.30] (helo=ds2052.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with smtp id 1FbLf6-0004Ww-P9 for forward@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:01:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 29945 invoked by uid 68); 3 May 2006 18:08:23 -0000 Delivered-To: davidpilling-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Received: (qmail 29943 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 18:08:23 -0000 Received: from colinc@argonet.co.uk by ds2052.dedicated.turbodns.co.uk by uid 1005 with qmail-scanner-1.22 ( Clear:RC:0(81.103.221.49):. Processed in 0.020511 secs); 03 May 2006 18:08:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) (81.103.221.49) by cp.spellings.net with SMTP; 3 May 2006 18:08:23 -0000 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060503180113.EITW27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:01:13 +0100 Received: from pickwick ([82.4.220.234]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060503180113.BZA24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@pickwick> for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:01:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 19:01:07 +0100 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Transferring a mail-merge document from RISCOS to WinXP Message-ID: References: <4e215341b9badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4e215341b9badger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Centre Stage User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e215341b9badger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: > Hi > > I'm using Ovation Pro RISCOS 2.76 and Win Ovation Pro 2.90 > > I have a mail-merge document created in RISCOS which uses the following > merge fields codes to strip out empty lines in the final document. > > {macv=merge_strip2(3,1,9)} > {macv=merge_strip2(3,2,9)} > {macv=merge_strip2(3,3,9)} > etc. > > I have copied this document to my WindowsXP PC and set up a csv file. > However, when I try to >mail merge>First the following error appears: > > Error:Unknown identifier merge_strip2 at line 1 in macro > > This error repeats - it's only possible to escape by closing WinOvnPro > via the Task Manager. > > Presumably I need to re-phrase the macro statements... can anyone advise > me in what way. > > Thanks > > Richard > I think this is because the merge-strip funtion exists in a library file in !OvnPro.Library on RISC OS. I have two such files on my RO machine - MergeLib and MergeLib2, and this latter contains the merge_strip2 function. OPW has two library folders - C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\Library and C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\CustomLibrary - and on my (demo) copy of OPW, MergeLib2 is in the CustomLibrary folder. Maybe you don't have the file? Hope this helps Colin -- Colin Carnegie colinc@orpheusmail.co.uk www.centre-stage.biz From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 3 22:34:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbOxf-3x6knw-02-Eom."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:34:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbOxf-3x6knw-02-Eom; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:32:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbOxf-3x6knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:32:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FbOxf-0002tY-GC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:32:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07F09310A39; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19754-04; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5B47310BBA; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 May 2006 17:31:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4C21310A39 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19641-03 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B78D8310C43 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FbOwv-0005lB-1f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:31:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:30:25 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Script for numbering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Non-member submission to closed-post list. >From andymarks@dsl.pipex.com Mon May 1 08:24:05 2006 Hi, I wondered if anyone can help with a little scripting issue. Being a complete programming novice (well, I can still remember how to do the "Hello World" stuff!!!), I can't work out how to script a little routine I need for a booklet. I need to number pages (which I CAN do via Insert...) but I only need to number every other page, starting from page 3. So, to clarify, page 3 needs to be numbered 1, page 5 numbered 2, page 7 numbered 3 etc. I guess, something along the lines of "Insert page number minus 3" would suffice. But I'm clueless, can anyone help? Andy -- See obvious spamtrap in address if replying directly... From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 3 22:54:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbPHJ-00sVbs-04-EV8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:54:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbPHJ-00sVbs-04-EV8; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:53:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbPHJ-00sVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:53:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FbPHJ-0004bW-6k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:53:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08B843109B3; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23571-09; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7A4430F205; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 May 2006 17:52:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E15143109B3 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23461-10 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9E622E0E2E for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FbPGW-000AWr-8B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:52:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:50:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transferring a mail-merge document from RISCOS to WinXP References: <4e215341b9badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4e215341b9badger.sett@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Error:Unknown identifier merge_strip2 at line 1 in macro You need the library that contains this command installing Funny thing I've got a reply to this question from Colin Carnegie floating before my eyes, but he's send it to the old mail list address so I've no idea if everyone on the list has received it. By default the Windows version of the program has the standard !Mergelib installed. However that library does not contain the above command... Off hand I don't recall the above function? Is it in a third party improved version of !Mergelib? Going over to Colins reply: >MergeLib2, and this latter contains the merge_strip2 function. So there's a file MergeLib2 >OPW has two library folders - >C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\Library Yes. >and >C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\CustomLibrary NO! > - and on my (demo) copy of OPW, MergeLib2 is in the CustomLibrary >folder. Maybe you don't have the file? All this is news to me. There is a Custom applet, and inserting a new MergeLib in the Library folder of that would be reasonable. >This error repeats - it's only possible to escape by closing WinOvnPro >via the Task Manager. I guess it will clear if you hold down Return long enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 3 23:04:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbPPk-0KiVbs-03-EMh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:04:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbPPk-0KiVbs-03-EMh; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:01:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbPPk-0KiVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:01:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FbPPk-0001yw-Dz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:01:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFF25310CE9; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25156-01; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4FF8310BC2; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 May 2006 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD87A310CB3 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25073-05 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC440310C90 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FbPP1-000BL0-6X for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 22:00:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:59:32 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Script for numbering References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I need to number pages (which I CAN do via Insert...) but I only need >to number every other page, starting from page 3. So, to clarify, page >3 needs to be numbered 1, page 5 numbered 2, page 7 numbered 3 etc. I >guess, something along the lines of "Insert page number minus 3" would >suffice. But I'm clueless, can anyone help? It depends what you want. In the sense you could type in the page numbers by hand, but that would probably be irritating if the pages changed. So presumably you want some sort of automatic page numbering. I'm aware that someone has done a mail merge macro that allows things like page X of N to be printed, so extending that maybe one solution. Alas I can't bring to mind the exact location of that script? There might be tricks to fit your exact situation, for example construct a document with left and right hand pages, have an auto link frame on the left hand page only, and then at the end of the day print left hand pages only. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 4 15:06:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbeRE-4SJ000-07-GOF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:06:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbeRE-4SJ000-07-GOF; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:04:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbeRE-4SJ000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:04:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FbeRD-0004zr-3d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 14:04:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6067931067B; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13417-01; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C26FE310443; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 May 2006 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97D5331022E for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13041-08 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 472C630FFBC for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (81-179-93-171.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.93.171]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0D6E000310 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:14 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 14:58:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Script for numbering Message-ID: <4e21c4bc25rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Non-member submission to closed-post list. From > >andymarks@dsl.pipex.com Mon May 1 08:24:05 2006 > ........ > I need to number pages (which I CAN do via Insert...) but I only > need to number every other page, starting from page 3. So, to > clarify, page 3 needs to be numbered 1, page 5 numbered 2, page 7 > numbered 3 etc. I guess, something along the lines of "Insert page > number minus 3" would suffice. But I'm clueless, can anyone help? How about this: Make a frame on the master page which is just big enough for one line, and autolink it to itself. Make a text file of your desired numbers on alternate lines (perhaps with a spreadsheet if there are lots of them). Drag this file into the first page's number frame. I've been using the system for ages to make tickets. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 4 19:56:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FbisD-2F4knw-03-BxG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:56:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FbisD-2F4knw-03-BxG; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:48:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FbisD-2F4knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:48:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FbisD-0006Qd-JI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:48:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40EFB3104F2; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16913-04; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 111982D956C; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 May 2006 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53CBD3105F6 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16726-09 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45913310177 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060504184738.OMCU29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:47:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [82.11.52.56]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060504184738.EIDY19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:47:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:47:36 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Script for numbering Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28h (Qt/3.3.6) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pbready@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > > I need to number pages (which I CAN do via Insert...) but I only need to > > number every other page, starting from page 3. So, to clarify, page 3 > > needs to be numbered 1, page 5 numbered 2, page 7 numbered 3 etc. I > > guess, something along the lines of "Insert page number minus 3" would > > suffice. But I'm clueless, can anyone help? > > It depends what you want. In the sense you could type in the page numbers > by hand, but that would probably be irritating if the pages changed. So > presumably you want some sort of automatic page numbering. > > I'm aware that someone has done a mail merge macro that allows things like > > page X of N > > to be printed, so extending that maybe one solution. Alas I can't bring to > mind the exact location of that script? > > There might be tricks to fit your exact situation, for example construct a > document with left and right hand pages, have an auto link frame on the > left hand page only, and then at the end of the day print left hand pages > only. > > > Hi I think I was responsible for this years ago, although it has been a long time since I've had to use OvnPro, but still dip in and out of here from time to time. You'll find it at http://www.bulldog.u-net.com/ovationpro/hints.html#pagexofy where it states: ---- Is there any way to get Ovation Pro to put "page x of y" automatically on each page (i.e., page 1 of 4 on the first page, 2 of 4 on the second, etc)? Can I insert the document filename into the document automatically? Can I insert the current time into a document? Put the MERGE commands shown below into a file, set its type to OVPDDL, open a blank Ovation Pro document and drag the OVPDDL file to it. Then use Misc/Insert/merge tag to insert the necessary merge fields. You can then preview the document using File/Mail Merge, clicking on the 'First' button to see the results. The merge commands given allow you to also insert a filename, and a current time. MERGE_02={merge 901 "time" "{gettimestring(\"%24:%MI:%SE\", macv)}"} MERGE_03={merge 902 "filename" "{fileinfo(currentfile(), macv)}"} MERGE_04={merge 903 "numpages" "{int i,n,f,c; f=currentfile(); c=documentchapters(f); for(i=0; i for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:56:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fbiuj-3CYknw-07-Buk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:51:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fbiuj-3CYknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:51:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fbiui-0005BC-SE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:51:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DB493100FC; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17258-05; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33855310181; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 May 2006 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AD523100FC for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17108-10 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (B.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5833230FCDB for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.226.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.226.10] helo=RISCPC20) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fbitz-0008IV-9a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 May 2006 19:50:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 19:50:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Script for numbering Message-ID: <4e21df77f7philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e21c4bc25rkp@par.me.uk> References: <4e21c4bc25rkp@par.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 04 May, Richard Partridge wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: > > >Non-member submission to closed-post list. From > > >andymarks@dsl.pipex.com Mon May 1 08:24:05 2006 > > ........ > > I need to number pages (which I CAN do via Insert...) but I only need > > to number every other page, starting from page 3. So, to clarify, > > page 3 needs to be numbered 1, page 5 numbered 2, page 7 numbered 3 > > etc. I guess, something along the lines of "Insert page number minus > > 3" would suffice. But I'm clueless, can anyone help? > How about this: > Make a frame on the master page which is just big enough for one line, > and autolink it to itself. > Make a text file of your desired numbers on alternate lines (perhaps > with a spreadsheet if there are lots of them). > Drag this file into the first page's number frame. > I've been using the system for ages to make tickets. > Regards, > Richard Partridge. Now that is sweeeeeet. Just had to try it.. Phil -- This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 4 20:06:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fbj0s-2l4knw-08-Bob."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:06:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fbj0s-2l4knw-08-Bob; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:57:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fbj0s-2l4knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:57:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fbj0s-0001W5-7a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1B7E3107EC; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18301-05; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81D303108FC; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 May 2006 14:56:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C95563105FB for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18089-05 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5292C2D958B for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060504185631.CDIE29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:56:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [82.11.52.56]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060504185631.TWDZ24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:56:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 19:56:27 +0100 From: Pete Bready To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Script for numbering Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28h (Qt/3.3.6) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pbready@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Pete Bready wrote: > > MERGE_05={merge 904 "page-3" "{macv=pagenum() - 3}"} > Just reread your query and the above(if it works at all will only give you a page number three less than you need. So maybe you need somthing like the following in the curly brackets - maybe Mr P can translate this into OVNPro macro-speak: IF pagenum() > 2 and MOD(pagenum(),2)=1 THEN macv = pagenum()/2 ELSE macv = "" ENDIF If at first you don't succeed.. -- Pete Bready From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 5 02:26:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fbow7-3Lg000-03-EPs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 5 May 2006 02:26:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fbow7-3Lg000-03-EPs; Fri, 05 May 2006 01:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fbow7-3Lg000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 May 2006 01:16:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fbow7-0000Eq-CQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 May 2006 01:16:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6813310882; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04219-02; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0F4E3105F2; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 May 2006 21:16:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EECB31091F for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04104-04 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B5B2310882 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FbovO-000JWz-0R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 May 2006 01:16:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 02:14:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Script for numbering References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 267 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >IF pagenum() > 2 and MOD(pagenum(),2)=1 THEN The technique of having an auto link chain and dropping into it a list of numbers is fine. A variation is to use auto numbering of paragraphs. The snag is that you may have to adjust the length of the text file of numbers by hand - being auto linked there will always be as many pages as there are numbers in the list. The mail merge technique (thanks for refreshing my memory about this) - problem is I can't think of a way of determining the current page number - your pagenum() function above. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 10 17:30:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FdUNW-09kGPo-08-DGf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:30:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FdUNW-09kGPo-08-DGf; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:44:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FdUNW-09kGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:44:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FdUNS-00040V-B3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:44:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8265F31A7ED; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00303-05-3; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F0E231A7F3; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 May 2006 11:34:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F29B531A748 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32556-08 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7C0531A71B for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.126.151.112] (helo=standalone.denyswells.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FdUDg-000O25-8q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:33:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:36:05 +0100 From: Denys Wells To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Printing from PDF files Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: denyswells@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) A recent experience of mine may be of interest to anyone planning to create a PDF file for subsequent commercial printing involving the use of Acrobat to render it. I created (in Ovation Pro) a double-sided A4 leaflet, mostly text (all fonts -Type 1 where available - embedded), but with three B&W graphics, one sprite, one Draw file, one JPEG. This was converted to PDF (v. 1.4) with !PrintPDF and Ghostscript 8.53. Conversion was straightforward, and the resulting PDF rendered OK *on screen* in !GView (v. 1.51), !PDF (v. 3.00.1.17), !RiScript (v. 5.02) in RISCOS, and also in Acrobat7 with Windows XP. The file printed OK from !PDF and !RiScript, but from Acrobat7 the sprite printed with *B&W inverted, and some grey regions in the new white area*. All printing was on the same HP1100 laser printer (I have a RISCube machine with Virtual RPC Adjust, using UniPrint/!Printers for the RISCOS side, and the WinXP printer driver for the PC side). Since I hope to have the file printed by a local firm using PC's with Acrobat, this was an unexpected problem, which would not have shown up had I not had Acrobat7/WindowsXP at hand to try it out. Investigation showed that the sprite was an old 4bpp version: knowing the problems with low resolution sprites and !Printers, I changed it to 24bpp, and to JPEG (to reduce size). The new PDF file made after this change printed perfectly from Acrobat7, as well as being some 100k smaller than the old one. Moral: unless/until someone can sort out the problems of !Printers with low res. sprites, be extra sure to check all old sprites are PDF friendly! -- Denys Wells From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 12 01:45:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FeLk2-14R000-08-B3F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:45:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FeLk2-14R000-08-B3F; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:42:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FeLk2-14R000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:42:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FeLk0-0004gG-7p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:42:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82B3E31DC86; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18063-05-4; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5696E31DC76; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D925C31DB9D for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17815-10 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A698331DB84 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FeLjE-0004ie-10 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:42:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 01:40:50 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from PDF files References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >printed OK from !PDF and !RiScript, but from Acrobat7 the sprite printed with >*B&W inverted, and some grey regions in the new white area*. All printing was >on the same HP1100 laser printer (I have a RISCube machine with Virtual RPC >Adjust, using UniPrint/!Printers for the RISCOS side, and the WinXP printer >driver for the PC side). I wonder how it would have printed if you'd used your HP in PCL mode (as opposed to presumably PostScript). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 12 14:11:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FeNAf-3rz000-02-9cc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:11:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FeNAf-3rz000-02-9cc; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:14:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FeNAf-3rz000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:14:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FeNAf-0000AR-0y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:14:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC66F31D8AA; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02485-10; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC7E931D90A; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:13:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DCE931D8AA for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02325-04 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from filter.bordernet.com.au (filter.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6BE231D7CE for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:13:38 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1147400006-4571-881-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://203.221.25.5:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au (unknown [203.123.117.198]) by filter.bordernet.com.au (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 4ABFE2497E for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:13:30 +1000 (EST) X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from PDF files Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from PDF files To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:15:03 +0900 Message-ID: <20899d254e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 X-Virus-Scanned: by BorderNET Spam Security System at bordernet.com.au X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-2.02 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.12506 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>printed OK from !PDF and !RiScript, but from Acrobat7 the sprite printed with >>*B&W inverted, and some grey regions in the new white area*. All printing was >>on the same HP1100 laser printer (I have a RISCube machine with Virtual RPC >>Adjust, using UniPrint/!Printers for the RISCOS side, and the WinXP printer >>driver for the PC side). My only problems when creating PDF with !PDF and !Ghostscript on an Iyonix seems to relate to some of the images, or should I say types. Often several large images (data size) seem to overload the system and don't appear on the output. By using !ChangeFSI to make the image size 200k instead of 1200k for example seems to correct the problem with the missing images 're-appearing' on the next output attempt (without any really visible deterioration of quality) The other types of images that seem to cause some problems relate to scanned images below 16bpp - the black and white types. Rescanning with the option set to coloured cures that, even if they then need to be reduced in data size with !ChangeFSI Some of my PDF's have been around 120 pages and heavily laden with images - a draft of a book. Ross -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 12 16:11:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FeZDO-1BgGPo-07-Ecv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:11:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FeZDO-1BgGPo-07-Ecv; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FeZDO-1BgGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FeZDM-0004oj-Hd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D6FD31E61B; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17081-07; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 171BB31E922; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27B5A31E61B for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16837-08 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from florence.spa.umn.edu (florence.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06A8031E00D for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu ([128.101.220.230]) by florence.spa.umn.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FeZCb-000NX0-2p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:05:13 -0500 Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4CF5CnS011380 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:05:12 -0500 Received: (from allan@localhost) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4CF5C8m011379 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:05:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:05:12 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from PDF files Message-ID: <20060512150512.GC31823@physics.umn.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: allan@physics.umn.edu Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 01:40:50AM +0100, David Pilling wrote: > >printed OK from !PDF and !RiScript, but from Acrobat7 the sprite printed > >with > >*B&W inverted, and some grey regions in the new white area*. All printing > >was > >on the same HP1100 laser printer (I have a RISCube machine with Virtual > >RPC > >Adjust, using UniPrint/!Printers for the RISCOS side, and the WinXP > >printer > >driver for the PC side). > > I wonder how it would have printed if you'd used your HP in PCL mode (as > opposed to presumably PostScript). I don't think the Laserjet 1100 does PostScript. Although, as an aside, we have seen LOTS of problems between recent Acrobat versions and HP "PostScript" printers, probably due to HP's long-ago switch from Adobe to their own Postscript clone. Many PDF files when printed from Acrobat 7 will simply crash recent HP printers. In some cases this can be fixed with a firmware upgrade for the printer, either by download or buying a DIMM, but in some the problem remains with most recent firmware (eg Color Laserjet 4500), and some are not really upgradable (eg Laserjet 4000, though you can swap in the formatter board from a 4050). Interestingly, ancient printers such as Laserjet 4M/5M, which still had real Adobe Postscript, have no issues with these files. That's very off-topic but a source of much annoyance for me so I couldn't resist! Graham From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 12 20:11:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FecyL-2z2Vbs-07-Ary."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:11:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FecyL-2z2Vbs-07-Ary; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FecyL-2z2Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FecyK-0002wZ-Nu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:06:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EDB831EA2E; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01321-08; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCD4F31E9F6; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF1AF31EA2E for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01176-03 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E61FA31EADA for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586A94C6490 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:05:55 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:01:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from PDF files Message-ID: <4e25ff207abric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <20060512150512.GC31823@physics.umn.edu> References: <20060512150512.GC31823@physics.umn.edu> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <20060512150512.GC31823@physics.umn.edu>, Graham Allan wrote: [Snip} > Although, as an aside, we have seen LOTS of problems between > recent Acrobat versions and HP "PostScript" printers, probably > due to HP's long-ago switch from Adobe to their own Postscript > clone. ... Interestingly, ancient printers such as Laserjet > 4M/5M, which still had real Adobe Postscript, have no issues > with these files. > That's very off-topic but a source of much annoyance for me so > I couldn't resist! And useful general knowledge in any case. Thanks. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 12 23:31:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Feg5B-2ry000-01-GHe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 12 May 2006 23:31:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Feg5B-2ry000-01-GHe; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:26:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Feg5B-2ry000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:26:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Feg58-00005Z-0u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:26:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A12431E793; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07541-09; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D25C31EA68; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1598131E793 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07009-05-3 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67A5A31E7DB for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Feg4I-000F7X-4l for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:25:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:23:59 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing from PDF files References: <20060512150512.GC31823@physics.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: <20060512150512.GC31823@physics.umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Although, as an aside, we have seen LOTS of problems between recent >Acrobat versions and HP "PostScript" printers, probably due to HP's >long-ago switch from Adobe to their own Postscript clone. Many PDF >files when printed from Acrobat 7 will simply crash recent HP printers. >In some cases this can be fixed with a firmware upgrade for the >printer, either by download or buying a DIMM, but in some the problem My experiments reveal that Acrobat reader generates its own PS code, rather than using the Windows PS drivers - probably not very surprising. The implication is that PS printing is going to be unlike non-PS printing. I have noticed that there are a lot of configuration options for the PS generated, one thing they do is let you tune the printer memory usage of the PS produced. If a printer is not PS then presumably the application is using standard Windows graphics calls. However (as I have found out the hard way) not all printer drivers support all of them. For example HP printers don't support all the bitmap plotting functions. Ideally one would get the latest driver off HP (fat chance?) If the problem is non-PS printing, then firstly it is unlikely to affect a print shop. Second you could print to a PS file, and then use e.g. GhostScript to render that PS as a bitmap (or can it do HP PCL?). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 15 17:53:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FfgBS-0kmGPo-05-Dqz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:53:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FfgBS-0kmGPo-05-Dqz; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:44:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FfgBS-0kmGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:44:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FfgAT-0001Rq-5Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 May 2006 16:44:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97052320053; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28616-04; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EF80320321; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98BBD320053 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28527-02 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.fireflyinternet.com (server206-54.live-servers.net [213.171.206.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 04950320025 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([62.69.57.81]) by smtp.fireflyinternet.com (Merak 8.0.3) with SMTP id XP108951 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:41:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?rod=A0a?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:40:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and OvHTML Message-ID: <4e277dcd2erod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e276e59e5rod@argonet.co.uk> References: <4da189deabsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e276e59e5rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rod@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Third time lucky? I sent this first to ovationpro@liststs.... then to softwarelist@davidpilling... so now here goes again! On 15 May, rod@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I asked a question in 2002 about getting HTML INTO > OvationPro.... clearly ideas take their time to sink > in with me... now I ask the reverse. > I use OvHTML quite often to produce HTML attachments > for emails. I have two problems: > Problem 1. > I need to write a lot of lines > like this > with only a > few words on > each line > and, for instance, they should all be in blue. > What I find is that the first line comes out > in blue and all the rest in black. > Now I can get over this by selecting each line > of words separately and 'turning them blue'. > Am I doing something wrong? > Problem 2. > Though the documentation of OvHTML suggests that > you can export text in several fonts (e.g. monospaced, > serif, sans and 'fancy' at least), I cannot get this to > work at all. > When I examine the HTML file produced, it does not show > any mention of fonts ... if some text is in Homerton > amongst a lot of Trinity and I examine the HTML file > there is no 'font switched on' before the Homerton > or 'switch off' after. > I wonder if anyone has any idea on this. Probably, > on past records, if this problem can be solved, > I won't be back with the next question till 2010- > if I live that long! -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 15 18:23:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FfglG-2kFGPo-05-DHB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:23:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FfglG-2kFGPo-05-DHB; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:21:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FfglG-2kFGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:21:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FfglG-00046A-BB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 May 2006 17:21:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D563A31FEF9; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02935-06; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66E6631FEE2; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 May 2006 13:20:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CE73320026 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02840-03 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B997431FDFF for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl213-218-239-66.as15444.net [213.218.239.66]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4FHKdJc021666 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 18:20:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and OvHTML To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:20:24 +0100 Message-ID: <746c81274e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4da189deabsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <4e276e59e5rod@argonet.co.uk> <4e277dcd2erod@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e277dcd2erod@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.066, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 275 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 15 May 2006 rod=A0a wrote: > Third time lucky? > I sent this first to ovationpro@liststs.... > then to softwarelist@davidpilling... > so now here goes again! >=20 > On 15 May, rod@argonet.co.uk wrote: >=20 >> I asked a question in 2002 about getting HTML INTO >> OvationPro.... clearly ideas take their time to sink >> in with me... now I ask the reverse. >=20 >> I use OvHTML quite often to produce HTML attachments >> for emails. I have two problems: [snip] Not a straight answer, but I hope helpful. I have bad memories of OvHTML, which I could never make work=20 satisfactorily. Why not try Ray Favre's !meDDLe, from=20 http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html which works much better, IMHO? With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 16 17:15:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg24R-09VVbs-07-912."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg24R-09VVbs-07-912; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:06:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg24R-09VVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:06:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg24R-0000nn-EI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:06:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E84FE325847; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28366-01; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A841A325828; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BDDE3257E6 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28174-04 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D558232582B for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3#vanderhoff$org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.217) id 4469f86a.15240.5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:06:02 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:06:01 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Manual Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Where can I find the current/latest Ovation Pro Manual (Risc OS), please? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 16 20:16:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg4zL-0Op000-05-Ece."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:16:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg4zL-0Op000-05-Ece; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:13:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg4zL-0Op000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:13:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg4zK-0002Rt-37 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:13:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13B213255AA; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04386-03; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28B053255A3; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:12:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 855A0325472 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04088-10 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50D0432519C for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fg4yW-0009Ed-CZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:12:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:11:29 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 277 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Tony van der Hoff writes >Where can I find the current/latest Ovation Pro Manual (Risc OS), please? > On your Ovation Pro CD... It is not online if that is the thrust of your question. There have been some minor changes since the majority of the CDs shipped, but so minor as to be not worth putting the thing on line. Now it would be easy to put it all online, so if people are really bothered I could do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 16 20:36:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg5Kn-1Mh000-06-EHC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:36:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg5Kn-1Mh000-06-EHC; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:35:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg5Kn-1Mh000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:35:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg5Kk-0004Gp-Po for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:35:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D79E03220B7; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09194-04; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AC5F320D69; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B4F9321853 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08899-05 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B52D7320D11 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony*pop3#vanderhoff*org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 446a2966.96a.7b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:35:02 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:35:02 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 278 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message > In message , Tony van der > Hoff writes > > Where can I find the current/latest Ovation Pro Manual (Risc OS), > > please? > > > > On your Ovation Pro CD... > > It is not online if that is the thrust of your question. There have been > some minor changes since the majority of the CDs shipped, but so minor as > to be not worth putting the thing on line. > > Now it would be easy to put it all online, so if people are really > bothered I could do that. > > It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. Thanks -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 16 20:46:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg5PJ-1P3000-03-ECg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:46:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg5PJ-1P3000-03-ECg; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg5PJ-1P3000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg5PI-0005gk-Rg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:40:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0F1324AFB; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10088-01; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66ADD324B89; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63AF13220B7 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09920-10 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F2DF320B68 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fg5OY-0005NC-JR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:39:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:42:10 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Message-ID: <4b3d12284e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: [snip] > > Now it would be easy to put it all online, so if people are really > > bothered I could do that. > > > > > It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. > I concur! David > From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 16 22:36:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg7A7-1WSknw-05-CRs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:36:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg7A7-1WSknw-05-CRs; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:33:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg7A7-1WSknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:33:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg7A6-0004je-6m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:33:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F20932518D; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03814-05; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC1BB3244A0; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC9B8324502 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03213-02-6 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA3E9324A88 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fg795-0002AI-HJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:31:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:30:31 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. Thou jest. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 16 23:46:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg8Hj-4Puknw-06-BKG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:46:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg8Hj-4Puknw-06-BKG; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:44:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg8Hj-4Puknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:44:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg8Hi-0007Ts-Vo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:44:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E541325082; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18505-08; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 572FF32527F; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED673325082 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18426-05 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A7FD3252D4 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony#pop3&vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 446a55b9.578d.6f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:44:09 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:44:07 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message > > It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. > > Thou jest. > Not really... -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 00:36:16 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fg92F-1BWVbs-01-AZk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:36:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fg92F-1BWVbs-01-AZk; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:33:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fg92F-1BWVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:33:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fg92F-0006NZ-L2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:33:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DA15324A28; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29273-03-9; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0914A324AF5; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2641324360 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28984-03 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.dentaku.gol.com (smtp01.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2496324795 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www-data by smtp01.dentaku.gol.com with local (Dentaku) id 1Fg91W-00079L-4s for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:32:18 +0900 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Received: from 58.93.42.193 (auth. user plattir@gol.com@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:32:18 +0900 X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: <2RhxA9KN.1147822338.1341020.plattir@gol.com@gol.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:32:18 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 282 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16/5/2006, "Tony van der Hoff" wrote: >David Pilling wrote in message > > >> > It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. >> >> Thou jest. "Thou jesteth", surely ;-) Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 01:56:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgABz-3HpVbs-01-9Q0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:56:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgABz-3HpVbs-01-9Q0; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:47:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgABz-3HpVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:47:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgABy-0006Qr-ST for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56EFB3207E1; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12468-02; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 314BE32010D; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 May 2006 20:46:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCD58325256 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12094-05 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A957325178 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FgABE-000Hya-BE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:46:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:44:47 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Tony van der Hoff writes >David Pilling wrote in message > > >> > It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. >> >> Thou jest. >> >Not really... Well obviously it displays shortcomings in the program (and perhaps in HTML), that there is no quick way convert from OP to HTML and get perfect results. The other point is, why use HTML when you've got OP to display the documents. Taken to the logical conclusion there's no need for OP or OP documents, just use HTML for everything. How much HTML to use has been a long running issue. On the Windows CD I've used quite a bit more. I'm starting to be argumentative above. I can see that if you're away from your CD and trying to find information somewhere without OP then HTML documents would be a great help. Maybe PDF would do? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 13:44:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgHTU-0vcVbs-05-Af1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:44:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgHTU-0vcVbs-05-Af1; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:33:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgHTU-0vcVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:33:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgHTP-0001gy-UJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:33:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CFE23249E4; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21942-04; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F80D32438B; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 May 2006 04:32:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A81313243A1 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21566-01 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22CE5324225 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3*vanderhoff&org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 446adfac.16fa.54 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:32:44 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:32:41 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message > In message , Tony van der > Hoff writes > > David Pilling wrote in message > > > > > > > > It would be handy, please, particularly if it's HTML. > >> > > > Thou jest. > >> > > Not really... > > Well obviously it displays shortcomings in the program (and perhaps in > HTML), that there is no quick way convert from OP to HTML and get perfect > results. > > The other point is, why use HTML when you've got OP to display the > documents. Taken to the logical conclusion there's no need for OP or OP > documents, just use HTML for everything. > > How much HTML to use has been a long running issue. On the Windows CD I've > used quite a bit more. > > I'm starting to be argumentative above. I can see that if you're away from > your CD and trying to find information somewhere without OP then HTML > documents would be a great help. Maybe PDF would do? > Ooh, far be it from me to argue with the likes of yourself :-) I'm sure some of the above was tounge-in-cheek, as was my earlier reply. Far be it from me to try to teach grandmother to suck eggs, but as you must be very well aware, Ovation and HTML fulfil entirely different purposes. Picking the right tool for the job is - hopefully - part of the design process. OPro is simply the most excellent document-composition package I have ever come across, and I use it a lot. I have even had to get my risc-pc repaired, simply to support this one application. However, increasingly in my work, I'm turning to hypertext documentation, because that's what its best at. Loading up a major monolithic document, be it PDF or OPro, or even Word to search for a particular bit of informaton is simply non-productive. Compare that to, say, the mySQL documentation at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/index.html, with easily navigated links to just about any topic, which is exactly what HTML was designed to do. No matter which platform I'm currently using, clicking on an HTML link to take me quickly to a salient piece of information is truly productive; PDF manuals, and their ilk are only to be accessed in despaeration. I'm sure opinions will vary on this... Yes, I appreciate the oPRO manual was written using oPro, because it was intended as a paper manual, and anyway, HTML wasn't about when it was first written. I know there is no easy way to convert it, so it's unlikely to happen, other than by some dedicated soul sitting down to do it. I believe there are now some tools to help with that job. Anyway, that doesn't stop me wishing... Now, dare I mention something else that I've been wishing for; running oPro under Linux? I know you've been looking into it, but that was some while ago - any progress? Cheers, Tony. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 13:44:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgIM3-0UCGPo-04-9mS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:44:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgIM3-0UCGPo-04-9mS; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:30:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgIM3-0UCGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:30:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgIM3-0002bO-19 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:30:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A418324174; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31047-10; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42D09324175; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 May 2006 05:29:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5145A324174 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30809-10 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 789AE324142 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FgILF-0002WG-NX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:29:17 +0100 Message-ID: <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:29:40 +0100 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Importing Impression Documents References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 285 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@penniceard.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) How do I import impression documents into OvnPro for Windows. The Transfilter is installed. Does the impression file have to have a suffix like OvnPro has .dpd if so what. At present I am going back to RISC-OS to import them. Thanks Roger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 13:44:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgJaA-3nl000-01-8YL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 13:44:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgJaA-3nl000-01-8YL; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:48:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgJaA-3nl000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:48:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgJa1-0003hr-Jc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:48:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DF95324281; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10160-06; 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Wed, 17 May 2006 11:47:35 +0100 Received: from [82.44.100.114] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgJZ0-0006ky-Fa for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 11:47:34 +0100 Message-ID: <01d601c6799f$67bba6f0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <2RhxA9KN.1147822338.1341020.plattir@gol.com@gol.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ian Platt wrote: >> David Pilling wrote in message >>> Thou jest. > "Thou jesteth", surely > ;-) That would be 'Thou jestest'; 'jesteth' is third person. ;-) Bruce (out-pedanting in training for the next Olympics) From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 14:04:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgLZ0-3TTVbs-06-F61."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:04:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgLZ0-3TTVbs-06-F61; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:55:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgLZ0-3TTVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:55:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgLYu-0005K3-2j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:55:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F401325D35; 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Wed, 17 May 2006 08:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FgLVk-000DSC-KW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:52:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:51:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression Documents References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 287 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk>, Roger Penniceard writes >How do I import impression documents into OvnPro for Windows. The >Transfilter is installed. Does the impression file have to have a >suffix like OvnPro has .dpd if so what. At present I am going back to >RISC-OS to import them. Impression document files should have extension .imp Impression document folders have to be dropped into an OPW window, document files should be opened using the File->Open menu entry. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/filters.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 14:04:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgLcH-3gnVbs-06-F2k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:04:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgLcH-3gnVbs-06-F2k; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:59:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgLcH-3gnVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:59:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgLc3-0006pW-20 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:59:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6707B325D14; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31534-10; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4229A325EC4; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 May 2006 08:56:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9E47325D14 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31496-03 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BE163257E5 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FgLZ0-000EJA-Lw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:55:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:54:12 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Tony van der Hoff writes >Now, dare I mention something else that I've been wishing for; running oPro >under Linux? I know you've been looking into it, but that was some while ago >- any progress? Well yes progress. I freed up a PC for the job, installed a new hard disc and then got SUSE on to it. However I've not got as far as finding or installing Linspire (Lindows?). Frankly I've been playing with non-computer things in the last couple of months. I've no doubt I'll work it out, but how do I go about installing Lindows? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 15:04:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgMbB-0XC000-06-E3q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:04:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgMbB-0XC000-06-E3q; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:02:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgMbB-0XC000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:02:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgMb1-0001wS-60 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:02:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 137AE326415; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11680-07; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB810325D57; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C2BF325F43 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11429-05 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E641A325E88 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony$pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 446b2c75.d7f2.b3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:00:21 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:00:04 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 289 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message > In message , Tony van der > Hoff writes > > Now, dare I mention something else that I've been wishing for; running > > oPro under Linux? I know you've been looking into it, but that was some > > while ago - any progress? > > Well yes progress. I freed up a PC for the job, installed a new hard disc > and then got SUSE on to it. > > However I've not got as far as finding or installing Linspire (Lindows?). > Frankly I've been playing with non-computer things in the last couple of > months. > > I've no doubt I'll work it out, but how do I go about installing Lindows? > Um, I don't think you mean Linspire, that's a distro, like SUSE, which you've already got. AFAIK, it won't do much for you. I think what you want is WINE, http://www.winehq.com/ which provides an environment for Windows system calls to X-windows under Unix/Linux. You just download the package, read the readme, and run the confgurator, and Bob's your proverbial. The good news is that OPro is almost usable under WINE, but there are a number of annoyances which prevent it from being suitable as a production environment. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 17 15:34:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgN1a-2Lb000-04-DdR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:34:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgN1a-2Lb000-04-DdR; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:29:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgN1a-2Lb000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:29:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgN1Y-0007KG-Tc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:29:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4265325BBC; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16887-07; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA87B3264AB; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EC2A325BBC for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16670-08-4 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from florence.spa.umn.edu (florence.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C976325AA8 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu ([128.101.220.230]) by florence.spa.umn.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FgN0S-000Djl-1O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:28:08 -0500 Received: from peevish.spa.umn.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4HES7tp031737 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:28:07 -0500 Received: (from allan@localhost) by peevish.spa.umn.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4HES7Qp031736 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:28:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:28:06 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual Message-ID: <20060517142806.GR31823@physics.umn.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: allan@physics.umn.edu Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:00:04PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Um, I don't think you mean Linspire, that's a distro, like SUSE, which > you've already got. AFAIK, it won't do much for you. > > I think what you want is WINE, http://www.winehq.com/ which provides an > environment for Windows system calls to X-windows under Unix/Linux. > You just download the package, read the readme, and run the confgurator, and > Bob's your proverbial. > > The good news is that OPro is almost usable under WINE, but there are a > number of annoyances which prevent it from being suitable as a production > environment. There's also Crossover Office, http://www.codeweavers.com/ (based on WINE, and costs money, though not much) - has anyone tried Ovation Pro under that? We use it here for MS-Office under Linux and it works very well indeed. G. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - allan@physics.umn.edu - (612) 624-5040 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 18 13:18:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgdbO-0ImVbs-07-E6f."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:18:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgdbO-0ImVbs-07-E6f; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:11:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgdbO-0ImVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:11:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgdbO-0001tK-2M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:11:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AD8832A348; Thu, 18 May 2006 04:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12532-10; Thu, 18 May 2006 04:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2151E32A3A1; Thu, 18 May 2006 04:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 May 2006 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E09B32A348 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12351-05 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 049AA32A2F1 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 04:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060518081035.MSRW29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:10:35 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.165.42]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060518081035.ILGG24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 09:10:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression Documents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:10:12 GMT Message-ID: <820de0284e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 291 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk>, Roger Penniceard > writes >>How do I import impression documents into OvnPro for Windows. The >>Transfilter is installed. Does the impression file have to have a >>suffix like OvnPro has .dpd if so what. At present I am going back to >>RISC-OS to import them. > > Impression document files should have extension .imp > > Impression document folders have to be dropped into an OPW window, > document files should be opened using the File->Open menu entry. > > See: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/filters.html > > I use OPro on Riscos and Opro on my PC (it is wonderful) can I interchange them. Can I install OPro on my Hospital computor (PC) and take a Ovation File from my Riscos by using a pen or emaiing it and work on it on the hospital PC and visa versa? Yes I would need to buy another copy for my PC at the hospital. Blessings Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 18 13:28:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FghYL-1fWVbs-07-A9i."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:28:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FghYL-1fWVbs-07-A9i; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:24:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FghYL-1fWVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:24:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FghYH-0004Jy-0b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:24:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E1F932A5A4; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30141-02; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DC9632A581; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 May 2006 08:23:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E65B32A201 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29886-04 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1EE432A1DD for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FghXB-0003yZ-0Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:21:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression Documents References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk> <820de0284e.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <820de0284e.alan@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I use OPro on Riscos and Opro on my PC (it is wonderful) can I >interchange them. Can I install OPro on my Hospital computor (PC) and >take a Ovation File from my Riscos by using a pen or emaiing it and >work on it on the hospital PC and visa versa? Yes. I can see no reason why not. We might have a private chat about the status of your "Hospital Computer", it might come under your existing licence to use OPW. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 18 19:18:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgmzU-1wl000-08-DF5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:18:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgmzU-1wl000-08-DF5; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:12:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgmzU-1wl000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:12:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgmzR-0004Wt-Hb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:12:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E24132B46F; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06067-04; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DF1F32B4AB; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 May 2006 14:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E171E32B4A7 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05903-06 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 424CF32AFBA for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 14:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [87.114.14.34] (helo=Time1) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FgmyI-00042r-8P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:11:38 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c67aa6$91c5d8a0$220e7257@Time1> From: "Keith Hampton" To: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk> <820de0284e.alan@ntlworld.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression Documents Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:12:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: keith@hamptoncastles.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Alan I regularly do this between a RiscPC (RISC OS 4.39) and Windows XP SP2 PC, both at home. The Windows PC has an 'All-in-One' printer, scanner, copier attached and digital camera input. You need to remame your file to have a '.dpd' extension on the PC otherwise OPro will not recognise it. You also need to be careful of the fonts you choose to ensure that both versions appear the same. Other issues are print margins but these are common when transferring any file between computers. I find the PC version particularly good for creating PDF files as this can be reliably done for free. I use PDFCreator. All the best Keith Hampton, New Malden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Leighton" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression Documents > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <446AED04.8080509@penniceard.co.uk>, Roger Penniceard >> writes >>>How do I import impression documents into OvnPro for Windows. The >>>Transfilter is installed. Does the impression file have to have a >>>suffix like OvnPro has .dpd if so what. At present I am going back to >>>RISC-OS to import them. >> >> Impression document files should have extension .imp >> >> Impression document folders have to be dropped into an OPW window, >> document files should be opened using the File->Open menu entry. >> >> See: >> >> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/filters.html >> >> > I use OPro on Riscos and Opro on my PC (it is wonderful) can I > interchange them. Can I install OPro on my Hospital computor (PC) and > take a Ovation File from my Riscos by using a pen or emaiing it and > work on it on the hospital PC and visa versa? > > Yes I would need to buy another copy for my PC at the hospital. > > Blessings > > Alan > > -- > Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) > Priory Lodge > 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 14/05/2006 > > From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 18 20:58:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FgoW1-29Tknw-03-BiY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:58:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FgoW1-29Tknw-03-BiY; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:50:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FgoW1-29Tknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:50:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FgoVr-0001wS-OK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:50:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CE5D32AF93; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26647-05; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CB5732AA9A; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 May 2006 15:48:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6A5632A873 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26483-05 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9654D32BCE3 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.59) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 446982DD00029D33 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 21:44:58 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:46:08 +0200 Message-ID: <43461a294e.janvred@smile.ch> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: [snip some] > > > Far be it from me to try to teach grandmother to suck eggs, but as you must > be very well aware, Ovation and HTML fulfil entirely different purposes. > Picking the right tool for the job is - hopefully - part of the design > process. OPro is simply the most excellent document-composition package I > have ever come across, and I use it a lot. I have even had to get my risc-pc > repaired, simply to support this one application. Showing that you are an experienced user of this program. [snip some more] > > Yes, I appreciate the oPRO manual was written using oPro, because it was > intended as a paper manual, ..... The 1st edition: yes. The 2nd edition: no. As stated in the 3rd paragraph of page 1.3 of the manual it was intended that the User can investigate how certain styles/effects/etc. are created. By using the info present in the electronic manual. If only a written manual had been intended, all pictures would simply have been jpeg's or sprites without *any* information being available for the info palette (as this does not appear in a written manual). Now, as it is, the whole manual-2 is a kind of advanced Tutorial as well, with dynamic information. Especially useful for non-experts and beginners. I understand your ideas about a HTML document on Ovation Pro, but I believe HTML info is just as static as the info within a PDF document. Another important point at the time that Manual-2 was written was that still many RiscOS users had computers with limited RAM (which is maybe still true to this day). Therefore the production of the manual in separate chapters. Not exactly a friendly way if you need to find something. My present computer has ample RAM. I therefore created the whole manual as a single multi-chapter document (approx. 14Mb) and find that using the index, then going to the page in the manual is almost as fast as having a HTML file. Of course, it takes time to create this single document. And of course you then use a copy. Regards, JohnvV P.S. There are two ways to create a single document. The easy way is by copying chapters into a single document, the hard way is by Alt-dragging/drop first the text and then all pictures from the separate chapters to the single document. I advise the latter especially if you want to do testing on the (copy of the) manual. -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 18 23:29:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fgqum-0Z4GPo-07-9Jn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:29:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fgqum-0Z4GPo-07-9Jn; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:24:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fgqum-0Z4GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:24:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fgquf-000668-0v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:24:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 695DE32BB65; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20960-05; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40F9F32BB49; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 May 2006 18:22:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A935032BB65 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20856-05 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA6E232B239 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FgqtF-000J2i-Am for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 23:21:23 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual References: <43461a294e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <43461a294e.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > My present computer has ample RAM. I therefore created the whole >manual as a single multi-chapter document (approx. 14Mb) and find that >using the index, then going to the page in the manual is almost as >fast as having a HTML file. Of course, it takes time to create this >single document. And of course you then use a copy. For Windows there is a PDF of the complete manual which is useful for searching. http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Documentation/Pdf/manual.pdf > There are two ways to create a single document. The easy way is by >copying chapters into a single document, the hard way is by >Alt-dragging/drop first the text and then all pictures from the >separate chapters to the single document. I advise the latter >especially if you want to do testing on the (copy of the) manual. I've never been one for doing things the easy way, but what is the advantage of the hard way in this case? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 22 17:53:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FiDdh-07oVbs-04-9q2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:53:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FiDdh-07oVbs-04-9q2; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:52:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FiDdh-07oVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:52:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FiDdY-0004WX-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:52:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C07AF33135E; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32711-09; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46AF9331711; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:51:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B00CE32E901 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32386-05 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4DA933295B for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.75) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4469834D00091CD8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:50:26 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:01:59 +0200 Message-ID: <689a0f2b4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <43461a294e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >> My present computer has ample RAM. I therefore created the whole >>manual as a single multi-chapter document (approx. 14Mb) and find that >>using the index, then going to the page in the manual is almost as >>fast as having a HTML file. Of course, it takes time to create this >>single document. And of course you then use a copy. > > For Windows there is a PDF of the complete manual which is useful for > searching. > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Documentation/Pdf/manual.pdf > Indeed, but no experimenting is possible. > >> There are two ways to create a single document. The easy way is by >>copying chapters into a single document, the hard way is by >>Alt-dragging/drop first the text and then all pictures from the >>separate chapters to the single document. I advise the latter >>especially if you want to do testing on the (copy of the) manual. > > I've never been one for doing things the easy way, but what is the > advantage of the hard way in this case? When you copy a chapter, it is copied as a separate window on top of the window frame. If you do this with a draft document(s), you get problems when resizing the master frame as the copied chapter does not follow the changed size. (Discovered this while experimenting for a new layout of the manual as a single document.) Greetings JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 22 20:53:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FiGNC-16B000-06-Fd3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:53:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FiGNC-16B000-06-Fd3; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FiGNC-16B000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FiGN7-000065-Ju for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 268813348BA; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28528-06; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE443335212; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B8323348BA for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28393-06 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3FDC334877 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FiFda-000BPT-0H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:00:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:58:50 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual References: <43461a294e.janvred@smile.ch> <689a0f2b4e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <689a0f2b4e.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <689a0f2b4e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch writes >When you copy a chapter, it is copied as a separate window on top of >the window frame. If you do this with a draft document(s), you get >problems when resizing the master frame as the copied chapter does not >follow the changed size. (Discovered this while experimenting for a >new layout of the manual as a single document.) I'd not say that. If you copy a chapter things are simple, there is a new chapter in the destination document and it behaves like the original chapter in the source document. It does not overlap anything. I don't understand "copied as a separate window on top of the window frame". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 24 14:00:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FipsW-0dIVbs-05-EDn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 24 May 2006 14:00:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FipsW-0dIVbs-05-EDn; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:42:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FipsW-0dIVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:42:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FipsW-0007Hl-45 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:42:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0F09339F47; Wed, 24 May 2006 05:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08117-04; Wed, 24 May 2006 05:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78B6C33D4C9; Wed, 24 May 2006 05:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 May 2006 05:41:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B6B0339F47 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 05:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07926-10 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 05:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD29B33C508 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 05:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony#pop3$vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 44742a3f.15c84.31e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:41:19 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:41:19 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Style Palette Applet Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is it possible to attach the style palette applet window to the main editing window in OPro (RISC OS)? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu May 25 13:25:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjAIX-1DNknw-08-Aqo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:25:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjAIX-1DNknw-08-Aqo; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:30:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjAIX-1DNknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:30:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjAIW-0001VL-Tj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:30:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EAB533D749; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21162-01; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A12733D27E; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 May 2006 03:29:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D66633D3BD for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20953-07 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boppity.fulladsl.be (mx02-out.fulladsl.be [83.217.75.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AE1233D33B for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 03:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.riscos.be (86-39-25-159.customer.fulladsl.be [86.39.25.159]) by boppity.fulladsl.be (Postfix) with SMTP id E93D44BDAA for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:28:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:28:25 +0200 (BST) From: Frank Vandekerkhove Subject: [softwarelist] [www.riscos.be] Dutch translation ov Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank.vandekerkhove@sito5.be Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dutch translation of Ovation Pro After testing a lot of software on the beta A9home, I found myself faced with the fact that almost all this software is in English. No problem for me, but if we want to continue to promote RISC OS and all its products into the world, then we must put some energy in multi-language programs. We? Why not me? Unfortunately, there is no standard way to translate programs. Since Ovation Pro is only available in English and German, I took on the challenge of translating it into Dutch. In fact this was a big job but after some months of work I am proud to release the first version. The RISC OS Road Show 2006 on the 17th June in Nieuwegein near Utrecht in the Netherlands looks the ideal moment to release this Dutch version of Ovation Pro into the world! Especially for newcomers to Ovation Pro I considered it important to translate the tutorial and I will have a colour printed version of it at the show. Of course this and other things have cost me money. At the RISC SO Road Show I will sell the translation for 15 euro. For this money you get a CDROM with the translation of the "!messages file, the templates, the !Macros bottons, the helpfile and the tutorial. The tutorial will also be colour printed. On the CD you will also find the latest version of the Dutch dictionary by J. van Vredenburch. But if you buy (or upgrade) the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro before the 14th of June via David Pilling's website you will get all this for free. To do this use the "Optional extra information" field in the checkout page and state "Ovation Pro + free Dutch translation & Tutorial". You will receive Ovation Pro in the normal way and to get the Dutch translation you have to see me at the stand of RISCOS.be during the RISC OS Raod Show 2006. Frank Vandekerkhove e-mail:frank.vandekehove@sito5.be web:www.riscos.be David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net Dutch RISC OS Roadshow 2006 http://www.riscos.com/news/news_items/PR270406.htm Advantage Six / A9home http://www.thea9.info From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 16:17:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjdxJ-3VtVbs-06-FI6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:17:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjdxJ-3VtVbs-06-FI6; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:10:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjdxJ-3VtVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:10:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjdxJ-0000Ye-Ek for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:10:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED27533BE90; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08750-10; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0C6A341365; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37E2B33BE90 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08631-04 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2503341273 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060526150934.MNQF29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:09:34 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com ([81.106.122.147]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060526150934.HDVX16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:09:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Twain problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Steve Ellacott X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:09:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am trying to use an Epson Perfection 1650 scanner with my Iyonix. I am using the Epson GT twain 2 driver and DPlingScan 1.22. I have tested the scanner on a PC and it works OK. But when I try to use it from the Iyonix, the 'Scanning' window appears, and then the machine freezes completely: it will not even respond to Alt-Break. Unpluging the USB connection makes the green bar go across the Scanning window, but does not return control. Any help gratefully received. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: 01273 885845 Office: 01273 642544 Fax: 01273 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 16:27:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjeBi-4WHVbs-02-F3h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:27:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjeBi-4WHVbs-02-F3h; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:25:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjeBi-4WHVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:25:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjeBh-0001SW-Ub for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:25:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 706D2341408; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11540-02; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2810E33EEE9; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38D60341535 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11240-06 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 762333415B7 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjeAv-0004hZ-H6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:24:29 +0100 Received: from [213.48.114.42] (helo=localhost.com.nom) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjeAt-000196-7H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:24:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:23:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem Message-ID: <4e2d20f168Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > I am trying to use an Epson Perfection 1650 scanner with my Iyonix. I > am using the Epson GT twain 2 driver and DPlingScan 1.22. I have > tested the scanner on a PC and it works OK. But when I try to use it > from the Iyonix, the 'Scanning' window appears, and then the machine > freezes completely: it will not even respond to Alt-Break. Unpluging > the USB connection makes the green bar go across the Scanning window, > but does not return control. > Any help gratefully received. Try !USBKick first as it will check the scanner is responding and try and correct it. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 16:37:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjeFU-07qGPo-04-Ezv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:37:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjeFU-07qGPo-04-Ezv; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:29:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjeFU-07qGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:29:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjeFS-0002bZ-Gj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:29:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B9D13413E3; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12327-01; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EA42341464; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B3CB340DA5 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12160-01 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id C944F33EF69 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([82.112.139.203]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id EUA43742 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:26:42 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:26:44 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 26 May 2006, at 16:09, Steve Ellacott wrote: > I am trying to use an Epson Perfection 1650 scanner with my Iyonix. I > am using the Epson GT twain 2 driver and DPlingScan 1.22. I have > tested the scanner on a PC and it works OK. But when I try to use it > from the Iyonix, the 'Scanning' window appears, and then the machine > freezes completely: it will not even respond to Alt-Break. Unpluging > the USB connection makes the green bar go across the Scanning window, > but does not return control. > > Any help gratefully received. I had this. David Pilling kindly sorted it out. You just need DPling Scan 1.23 M.J.T. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 16:37:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjeKE-0SvGPo-01-EvB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:37:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjeKE-0SvGPo-01-EvB; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:34:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjeKE-0SvGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:34:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjeKE-00000I-26 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:34:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71374340CF9; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13168-01; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F6C133EF2F; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D793D33F402 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12908-05 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65E6133F690 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony$pop3*vanderhoff&org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 44771fb1.15c84.131a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:33:05 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:33:04 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tony van der Hoff wrote in message > Is it possible to attach the style palette applet window to the main > editing window in OPro (RISC OS)? > I take it the answer is "no", then :( -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 19:27:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjgwd-3Usknw-08-CIm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:27:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjgwd-3Usknw-08-CIm; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjgwd-3Usknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjgwa-0002lR-Hd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BA3B341AFE; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10665-02-5; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9573D341AF3; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 14:20:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECEE03419EE for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10401-02-4 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1894034199A for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fjgv7-000Oij-1r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:20:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:19:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I had this. David Pilling kindly sorted it out. >You just need DPling Scan 1.23 I've always been surprised how people mix up TWAIN and DPlingScan. They are separate, different things. A new DPScan is not going to fix a problem with the scanner driver. Anyway thanks for pointing out the fact that there are various versions of the Epson driver around. I'd be happy to email Steve a copy. No idea if it will fix the problem. USB firmware is another obvious possibility. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 19:28:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjgxA-3SDknw-01-CIF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:28:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjgxA-3SDknw-01-CIF; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:22:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjgxA-3SDknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:22:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjgx8-0002CK-NF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:22:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 831A7341A31; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10766-10; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BB113416D1; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D7B8341AEB for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10625-03-2 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02EAB33E91E for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fjgvm-0006lw-3S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:21:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:19:47 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I take it the answer is "no", then :( As far as I know it is. I thought I'd let others have their say. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 22:48:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjk9J-1rDGPo-05-966."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:48:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjk9J-1rDGPo-05-966; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:47:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjk9J-1rDGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:47:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjk9I-0001pH-WD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:47:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DCDC34140D; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19432-10; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09EC533F4EC; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D115534140D for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19288-10 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52B6B340DEC for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060526214627.VQXE27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:46:27 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com ([81.106.122.147]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060526214627.CCNM24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:46:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Steve Ellacott X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:46:10 +0100 Message-ID: <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>I had this. David Pilling kindly sorted it out. >>You just need DPling Scan 1.23 > > I've always been surprised how people mix up TWAIN and DPlingScan. > > They are separate, different things. A new DPScan is not going to fix a > problem with the scanner driver. > > Anyway thanks for pointing out the fact that there are various versions > of the Epson driver around. I'd be happy to email Steve a copy. No idea > if it will fix the problem. USB firmware is another obvious possibility. > > I am using Twain 2.12. It says copyright 1993 but presumably is more recent as is recognises USB. I only bought it from CJE Micros this afternoon, but if there is another version, where can I find it? I will upgrade DPScan, but, as you say, it is unlikely to make a difference. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: 01273 885845 Office: 01273 642544 Fax: 01273 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 26 23:28:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjkdv-0sR000-07-8bU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 26 May 2006 23:28:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjkdv-0sR000-07-8bU; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:18:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjkdv-0sR000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:18:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjkdv-0004yu-98 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:18:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 720183415FC; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26470-03; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 219DF341264; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2B60341545 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26280-06 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B68393414B4 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fjkd4-0004xb-8E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:16:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I am using Twain 2.12. It says copyright 1993 but presumably is more >recent as is recognises USB. I only bought it from CJE Micros this >afternoon, but if there is another version, where can I find it? I >will upgrade DPScan, but, as you say, it is unlikely to make a >difference. I've just emailed you the contents of the latest version of the Epson disc. It's all a bit tricky. The main reason for new versions of the disc is that the Simtec driver has the id codes for scanners hardwired in to it. However there have been some changes over the years. But we're talking about a substantial time ago. Looking just now the last change to the Castle driver appears to be something like November 2004. Try the version I have just sent. If it fails then read on The 1650 (which is the model I have) has sometimes been a bit difficult. I'd be interested to know if after one hang, if you try it again does it work (problem here is waking up the scanner which is a 1650 speciality). When it hangs what are you clicking on? Have you used the device menu to set the correct device (i.e. USB)? Have you installed the Castle version of the driver (as opposed to the Simtec)? Was TWAIN already installed on your computer? Regardless of TWAIN, does the scanner show up on your Iyonix - USBInfo or whatever? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 13:39:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjqoq-1GYVbs-03-Ax5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:39:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjqoq-1GYVbs-03-Ax5; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:54:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjqoq-1GYVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:54:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjqoq-0001mb-7A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:54:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B81E23418DA; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25397-09; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A983340F2D; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 00:53:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28D573418DA for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25282-03 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF6793415EF for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060527045345.GMQC29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:53:45 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com ([81.106.122.147]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060527045345.DSHA24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:53:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Steve Ellacott X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 05:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> S.W.Ellacott@bton.ac.uk wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>>I had this. David Pilling kindly sorted it out. >>>You just need DPling Scan 1.23 >> >> I've always been surprised how people mix up TWAIN and DPlingScan. >> >> They are separate, different things. A new DPScan is not going to fix a >> problem with the scanner driver. >> >> Anyway thanks for pointing out the fact that there are various versions >> of the Epson driver around. I'd be happy to email Steve a copy. No idea >> if it will fix the problem. USB firmware is another obvious possibility. >> >> > > I am using Twain 2.12. It says copyright 1993 but presumably is more > recent as is recognises USB. I only bought it from CJE Micros this > afternoon, but if there is another version, where can I find it? I > will upgrade DPScan, but, as you say, it is unlikely to make a > difference. I have upgraded DplingScan and installed the version of Twain supplied by David. But still no joy. Only progress is that switching off the scanner sometimes returns control. Turning it back on and using USBkick then reports the device as Frozen(&0110). Kicking it again reports it as working, but then trying to scan still causes the freeze. So maybe it is the USB firmware. Looks like a trip to CJE MIcros is in order. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: 01273 885845 Office: 01273 642544 Fax: 01273 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 13:39:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjr2n-1eNVbs-01-Aj8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:39:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjr2n-1eNVbs-01-Aj8; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjr2n-1eNVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjr2m-0004r0-Mk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39D8D340C54; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28262-07; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFC53340D85; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0541E340C54 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28073-06 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C344633E9B2 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fjr24-000GVw-JZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:08:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 06:12:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem Message-ID: <4e2d6cc6c6charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > I have upgraded DplingScan and installed the version of Twain supplied > by David. But still no joy. Only progress is that switching off the > scanner sometimes returns control. Turning it back on and using > USBkick then reports the device as Frozen(&0110). Kicking it again > reports it as working, but then trying to scan still causes the > freeze. So maybe it is the USB firmware. Looks like a trip to CJE > MIcros is in order. Is the scanner switched on when you boot up the Iyonix? According to the CD Rom instrucions that come with the scanner, that is the way you are meant to use it. Trouble is you need a Windows machine to read the CD. -- >From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 13:39:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjria-2biVbs-02-A3L."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:39:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjria-2biVbs-02-A3L; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:52:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjria-2biVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:52:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjria-0003PM-7h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 05:52:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF9E340C90; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01341-02; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3614F341269; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 01:51:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E96A1340C90 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01249-05 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B047F340EFB for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fjrhn-0004aP-Hk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:51:19 +0100 Received: from [213.48.225.193] (helo=localhost.com.nom) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fjrha-000253-Te for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:51:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 06:50:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem Message-ID: <4e2d704b40Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 310 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > In message <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> > S.W.Ellacott@bton.ac.uk wrote: > > In message David Pilling > > wrote: > > > >>>I had this. David Pilling kindly sorted it out. You just need DPling > >>>Scan 1.23 > >> > >> I've always been surprised how people mix up TWAIN and DPlingScan. > >> > >> They are separate, different things. A new DPScan is not going to > >> fix a problem with the scanner driver. [Snip] > I have upgraded DplingScan and installed the version of Twain supplied > by David. But still no joy. Only progress is that switching off the > scanner sometimes returns control. Turning it back on and using > USBkick then reports the device as Frozen(&0110). Kicking it again > reports it as working, but then trying to scan still causes the > freeze. So maybe it is the USB firmware. Looks like a trip to CJE > MIcros is in order. Check the !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!Install file, all usbtimeout references should read 'usbtimeout20000'. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 13:39:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjsF2-3VFVbs-08-9Wt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:39:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjsF2-3VFVbs-08-9Wt; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:25:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjsF2-3VFVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:25:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjsF2-0003aB-3F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:25:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 761A63418AC; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04976-10; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20D9734189A; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 02:24:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E02D3418AC for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04790-09 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26C1D341880 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060527062445.ZSHZ27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:24:45 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com ([81.106.122.147]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060527062445.EBGA24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:24:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Steve Ellacott X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:24:31 +0100 Message-ID: <7768732d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > > The 1650 (which is the model I have) has sometimes been a bit difficult. > I'd be interested to know if after one hang, if you try it again does it > work (problem here is waking up the scanner which is a 1650 speciality). > No. > When it hangs what are you clicking on? Preview or Scan > Have you used the device menu to > set the correct device (i.e. USB)? Have you installed the Castle version > of the driver (as opposed to the Simtec)? Yes. The selected device is USB(Castle). USB(Simtec) is greyed out. > Was TWAIN already installed on > your computer? > No > Regardless of TWAIN, does the scanner show up on your Iyonix - USBInfo > or whatever? Yes. See my other email for more about this and USBkick. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: 01273 885845 Office: 01273 642544 Fax: 01273 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 13:39:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjuGo-0AG000-07-G1d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:39:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjuGo-0AG000-07-G1d; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:35:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjuGo-0AG000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:35:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjuGo-00075I-6K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:35:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A62903410CD; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20411-03; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DBC6340DB4; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 04:34:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA52E3410CD for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20110-06 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E6E1340F7D for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony#pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.218) id 44780f2b.de2c.1e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:34:51 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:34:51 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message > > I take it the answer is "no", then :( > > As far as I know it is. I thought I'd let others have their say. > Well, not here. It appears in a seperate, floating window. Ideally I'd like it to be attached to the right hand side of the editing window, at the same z-depth; and move around with the editing window. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 13:49:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjyCi-0g3Vbs-03-C5j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:49:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjyCi-0g3Vbs-03-C5j; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:47:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjyCi-0g3Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:47:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjyCh-0004S4-Jd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:47:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CE8E33FC20; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11277-09; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB11633FC2E; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A9A233FC20 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11183-03 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C833033E898 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FjyBx-000PB4-8m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:46:53 +0000 Message-ID: <27dPSjAynEeEFw$v@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:45:38 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> <7768732d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <7768732d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 313 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> The 1650 (which is the model I have) has sometimes been a bit difficult. Afterwards I thought the above was an interesting comment. In other words I have a 1650 and an Iyonix, so of all the possible combinations, this is the one which is going to work. I'm not sure how to address the USB firmware issue. I've not kept up with Castle upgrades and ISTR there is a paid upgrade to USB 2.0. Presumably there is a version number for USB firmware? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 14:19:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FjyZG-1QGVbs-01-BjB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:19:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FjyZG-1QGVbs-01-BjB; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:10:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FjyZG-1QGVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:10:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FjyZG-0004JK-FJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:10:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D89B4340E0F; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13734-08; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93FC4341004; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 659B1340E0F for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13640-05 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30C8C34119A for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjyYW-0004HY-46 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:10:12 +0100 Received: from [213.48.226.223] (helo=localhost.com.nom) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjyYU-0001Se-Ra for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:10:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:09:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem Message-ID: <4e2d98869cIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <27dPSjAynEeEFw$v@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> <7768732d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> <27dPSjAynEeEFw$v@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 314 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <27dPSjAynEeEFw$v@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> The 1650 (which is the model I have) has sometimes been a bit > >> difficult. > Afterwards I thought the above was an interesting comment. In other > words I have a 1650 and an Iyonix, so of all the possible combinations, > this is the one which is going to work. > I'm not sure how to address the USB firmware issue. I've not kept up > with Castle upgrades and ISTR there is a paid upgrade to USB 2.0. > Presumably there is a version number for USB firmware? Current modules are in ROM 5.11 (22 Feb 06*) USBDriver 0.47 / OHCIDriver 0.29. The optional USB2 EHCIDriver is 0.14. * Make sure you have this version (rel3) as there was a scanner issue with the initial 5.11 release. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 15:19:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fjzb1-3kOVbs-01-AhQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:19:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fjzb1-3kOVbs-01-AhQ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fjzb1-3kOVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:16:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fjzae-0003jS-O3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:16:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 982C13415FD; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21046-01; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A2E8341546; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA50F341257 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20637-07 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D962341259 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060527141459.UJMP29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:14:59 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com ([81.106.122.147]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060527141459.ZIP19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@192.168.1.5.s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:14:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Twain problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Steve Ellacott X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:14:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <99DD5639-3C78-4810-B832-6FB0C0123416@talibard.com> <83f3432d4e.Steve@s.w.ellacott.ntlworld.com> <4e2d704b40Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4e2d704b40Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 315 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks for all the suggestions. The problem is finally solved with some help from CJE. It seems there is a bug in some versions of the USDdriver under 5.11. It is essential to have release 3. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, Computing, Mathematical and Information Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: 01273 885845 Office: 01273 642544 Fax: 01273 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 15:49:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fk04u-0K6GPo-06-ADX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:49:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fk04u-0K6GPo-06-ADX; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:47:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fk04u-0K6GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:47:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fk04p-0004MK-QR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:47:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9D74341C04; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26186-04; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39DF2341C0B; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 10:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47EE1341BC8 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25786-09 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02DF8341B89 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.246) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4473C0B100057AC3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 16:46:41 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro Manual To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:46:19 +0200 Message-ID: <58831d2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <43461a294e.janvred@smile.ch> <689a0f2b4e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 316 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry for the late response. Was out of town a few days. In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <689a0f2b4e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch > writes >>When you copy a chapter, it is copied as a separate window on top of >>the window frame. If you do this with a draft document(s), you get >>problems when resizing the master frame as the copied chapter does not >>follow the changed size. (Discovered this while experimenting for a >>new layout of the manual as a single document.) > > I'd not say that. If you copy a chapter things are simple, there is a > new chapter in the destination document and it behaves like the original > chapter in the source document. It does not overlap anything. David, you are quite right. I should have checked on the *present* situation. My info was based on the experience I had just after you introduced the Chapter copy facility which is already quite some time ago. I tried to reproduce this (as proof) using older versions of OvPro but have not succeeded. It can also have been a problem with the computer at that time. So to make a single document: copy all the chapters in one document (Menu > Page > Copy chapter and then Menu > Page > Paste chapter, then select Before or After current chapter. Save the whole document while the caret is at the beginning of the Index (= last chapter); then when loading the document opens with a view on the Index. > > I don't understand "copied as a separate window on top of the window > frame". Instead of "window" read "frame". JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat May 27 19:29:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fk3OY-0CKknw-01-FQP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 27 May 2006 19:29:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fk3OY-0CKknw-01-FQP; Sat, 27 May 2006 18:20:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fk3OY-0CKknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 18:20:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fk3OX-0007K8-IY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 May 2006 18:20:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BF1433F762; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28363-02; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBE8B340D07; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 May 2006 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 017B433F762 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28200-09 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B87BB33F681 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.54) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4473C0B10005A706 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 May 2006 20:19:27 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:50:20 +0200 Message-ID: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 317 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > David Pilling wrote in message > > >> > I take it the answer is "no", then :( >> >> As far as I know it is. I thought I'd let others have their say. >> > Well, not here. It appears in a seperate, floating window. Ideally I'd like > it to be attached to the right hand side of the editing window, at the same > z-depth; and move around with the editing window. > I second that. With the Page palette above it. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 28 16:48:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkNUo-3sG000-05-CNB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:48:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkNUo-3sG000-05-CNB; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:48:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkNUo-3sG000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:48:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkNUo-0004iq-B5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:48:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C41663418EB; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31839-02; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BA0F341856; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC5473418EB for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31750-01 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 433E0341251 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 86165 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 15:47:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.110 with plain) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 15:47:16 -0000 Message-ID: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 16:47:37 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Importing TIFFs into OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've encountered two problems with TIFF images imported into OPW ... TIFFs created in Adobe Photoshop CS2 and saved with LZW compression, when dropped into a OPW picture frame, result in two warning messages. The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) ignored". This is a minor irritation ... until you try to reference pictures, and then whenever the screen redraws a page containing a picture frame, the warning messages appear once more. If you happen to have several picture frames on a page, then the warning messages appear for EACH picture frame. The second problem is do do with memory. I have an OPW document with about 20 TIFF pictures. Current file size is around 300 Mb. I want to add 3 more pictures, but can't because of "not enough memory". Is there a way of increasing the memory directly available to OPW? Referencing the pictures doesn't help, not least because of the warning messages already referred to. -- Clive Bonsall OPW 2.90 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 28 18:18:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkOs8-271knw-04-Azr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:18:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkOs8-271knw-04-Azr; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:16:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkOs8-271knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:16:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkOs4-0003BZ-2N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:16:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FD25341864; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11963-01-2; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 421B13419DE; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 13:14:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A41A8341864 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11599-09 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B79234190A for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FkOqQ-000LIY-8U for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:14:26 +0000 Message-ID: <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:13:01 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 319 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK >brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) >ignored". This is a minor irritation ... until you try to reference >pictures, and then whenever I agree with this. I recently added a feature to DPScan for Windows that lets you turn off warnings. I will change the filter. >The second problem is do do with memory. I have an OPW document with >about 20 TIFF pictures. Current file size is around 300 Mb. Interesting. How much memory does your machine have - physical and virtual? I have created OPW documents of 512MB. There is another issue which is address space, on 32bit windows, typically an application can have only 2GB of address space. So even if your swop file is 4GB you will still hit this limit. Memory and address space use is shared between all open documents and things like the clipboard, as well as other workspace. OPW also holds documents in a single block of memory - in other words fragmentation of the programs 2GB space may reduce what can actually be used. It is possible to configure Windows to run with a 3GB address space for each application and this is becoming more common with the larger files around these days. Long term solution of course is 64 bit Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 28 20:18:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkQlj-1I3Vbs-02-96G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:18:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkQlj-1I3Vbs-02-96G; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:17:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkQlj-1I3Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:17:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkQli-0007NI-Ot for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:17:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44F4D3416C4; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00750-05; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED9C33416FE; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34B9C3416C4 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00648-07 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B69D7341597 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59047 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 19:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.110 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 19:16:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:17:24 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK >> brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) >> ignored". This is a minor irritation ... until you try to reference >> pictures, and then whenever > > I agree with this. I recently added a feature to DPScan for Windows that > lets you turn off warnings. I will change the filter. What causes the warnings -- is this expected behaviour with TIFF files? I find I can save the pictures (line art) out of OPW as Draw files and get round the "warnings" problem, but the files are just as big (if not bigger) as the original TIFFs. >> The second problem is do do with memory. I have an OPW document with >> about 20 TIFF pictures. Current file size is around 300 Mb. > > Interesting. How much memory does your machine have - physical and virtual? 1GB physical, 1535 MB virtual (set by Win XP) -- should I increase it? And if so, by how much? From what you say below, if I increase it to 3GB, as things stand OPW will only be able to use up to 2GB (?) > There is another issue which is address space, on 32bit windows, > typically an application can have only 2GB of address space. So even if > your swop file is 4GB you will still hit this limit. > > Memory and address space use is shared between all open documents and > things like the clipboard, as well as other workspace. OPW also holds > documents in a single block of memory - in other words fragmentation of > the programs 2GB space may reduce what can actually be used. > > It is possible to configure Windows to run with a 3GB address space for > each application and this is becoming more common with the larger files > around these days. Is there a website that explains how to do this? > Long term solution of course is 64 bit Windows. In an ideal world, perhaps ... But does it do what it says on the box? 32-bit Windows is supposed to address 4GB of physical memory and my motherboard has a capacity of 3GB, but if I install more than 1GB the whole system collapses :( -- Clive Bonsall OPW 2.90 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 28 21:08:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkRR1-2VxVbs-04-GxU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:08:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkRR1-2VxVbs-04-GxU; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:00:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkRR1-2VxVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:00:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkRR0-0000Eh-Go for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:00:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC7CE340ED9; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06671-06-3; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A90A8340D0F; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 15:59:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA121340CF9 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06419-07 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5321B340F03 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73677 invoked from network); 28 May 2006 19:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.110 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2006 19:59:31 -0000 Message-ID: <447A0130.3030403@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:59:44 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 321 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK >> brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) >> ignored". This is a minor irritation ... until you try to reference >> pictures, and then whenever > > Interesting. How much memory does your machine have - physical and virtual? Sorry, to correct my previous email -- 1GB physical, 2GB virtual (Drive_C). 1535 MB is the total paging file size for all drives in the computer ... or so it says in System Properties. Tho' I'm not sure how it can be less than the value for Drive_C. -- Clive Bonsall OPW 2.90 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 28 23:18:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkTXu-15pGPo-01-Eqb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 28 May 2006 23:18:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkTXu-15pGPo-01-Eqb; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:15:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkTXu-15pGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:15:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkTXt-0005j0-P6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:15:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A4C4341427; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02223-08; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7017F3413FD; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E565341427 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02029-04 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21BB0341250 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FkTX8-0005Wu-De for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:14:50 +0000 Message-ID: <+dctLbC2BieEFwcd@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:13:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 322 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What causes the warnings TIFF files contain tags (that is what the T stands for). No one understands or knows what every single tag represents. The warnings tell you that a tag which is not understood has been seen. Usually this will do no harm. > -- is this expected behaviour with TIFF files? Yes. > I find I can save the pictures (line art) out of OPW as Draw files and >get round the "warnings" problem, but the files are just as big (if not >bigger) as the original TIFFs. As expected. When you drop a TIFF file into a frame it is converted into a sprite in a Draw file. >1GB physical, 1535 MB virtual (set by Win XP) -- should I increase it? >And if so, by how much? Sounds like plenty. It really depends what else you want to run at the same time as OP. > From what you say below, if I increase it to 3GB, as things stand OPW >will only be able to use up to 2GB (?) >Is there a website that explains how to do this? http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx >In an ideal world, perhaps ... But does it do what it says on the box? >32-bit Windows is supposed to address 4GB of physical memory and my >motherboard has a capacity of 3GB, but if I install more than 1GB the >whole system collapses :( 32 bits gives you a 4GB address space. Usually this is split 2GB for Windows and 2GB for the application. By setting a switch when Windows boots you can change this to 1GB for Windows (with potentially a performance hit) and 3GB for apps. This is address space. Actual memory is another matter. There is another question, Windows does not allow any old app. to access 3GB because (shades of RISC OS) many don't like "negative addresses" i.e. addresses which have the top bit (bit 31) set. I don't know at this instant if I have built OP with the necessary flags that tell Windows that it is 32 bit safe. XP 64 does give you a much bigger address space. Presumably one day everyone (and everything) will move to 64 bits. However so far I've only done a 64 bit version of DPScan - and with no evidence that anyone has used it, I'm not in a hurry to undertake the conversion of OPW. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 29 00:49:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkUu0-0CD000-05-DUV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 29 May 2006 00:49:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkUu0-0CD000-05-DUV; Sun, 28 May 2006 23:42:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkUu0-0CD000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 23:42:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkUu0-0004Mp-56 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 May 2006 23:42:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4DE23409D9; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21724-03; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F7E5340DD9; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00C80340CEF for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21496-07 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from filter.bordernet.com.au (filter.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A26E733FDD1 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:41:46 -0400 (EDT) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1148859695-28947-348-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://203.221.25.5:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Received: from Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au (unknown [203.123.117.198]) by filter.bordernet.com.au (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id E5A3052503 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:41:38 +1000 (EST) X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [softwarelist] Importing TIFFs into OPW Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 07:44:02 +0900 Message-ID: References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.0000 1.0000 -2.0210 X-Virus-Scanned: by BorderNET Spam Security System at bordernet.com.au X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=-2.02 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.13592 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > I've encountered two problems with TIFF images imported into OPW ... > SNIP Is there any particular reason for such large images? I have found that even smallish (200-400Kb) jpegs give good enough quality when printed I can't understand the printers demand for minimum 600dpi (gigabyte sized) images. When I've had the sort of memory problems you refer to I use !ChangeFSI (or !FSI_Batch) to reduce the size of the images without any loss of definition. > > The second problem is do do with memory. I have an OPW document with > about 20 TIFF pictures. Current file size is around 300 Mb. I want to > add 3 more pictures, but can't because of "not enough memory". Is there > a way of increasing the memory directly available to OPW? Referencing > the pictures doesn't help, not least because of the warning messages > already referred to. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 29 02:29:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkWSA-2Mh000-03-BwL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 29 May 2006 02:29:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkWSA-2Mh000-03-BwL; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:21:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkWSA-2Mh000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:21:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkWS9-0001t6-IJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:21:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E51FB341252; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03584-07; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FDA0340FCE; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F94E341274 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03469-06 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46EE2340FD7 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FkWRO-0009Sj-37 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 29 May 2006 01:21:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 02:19:57 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <+dctLbC2BieEFwcd@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+dctLbC2BieEFwcd@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OK, I've tweeked the filter pack so that the TIFF filter does not complain about tags it does not understand. The new version is available from http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallFilter.exe I have investigated, it seems the current versions of OPW are not flagged as 3GB aware, I will change this. Given the RISC OS experience it should work with no changes, but I'd really like to test it before launching it upon the world. If you're really keen, you can use /LARGEADDRESSAWARE with editbin.exe to set the relevant flag in the OPW .exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 29 17:24:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkkTx-4J4Vbs-02-Exa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:24:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkkTx-4J4Vbs-02-Exa; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:20:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkkTx-4J4Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:20:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkkTx-0001jA-7M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:20:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A55E134201E; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14300-08; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59B3733F46A; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:19:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62DBB34201E for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14093-01 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id CAD6834202A for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13890 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.110 with plain) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:19:55 -0000 Message-ID: <447B1F44.6010203@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:20:20 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ross McGuinness wrote: > In message <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> I've encountered two problems with TIFF images imported into OPW ... >> > SNIP > > Is there any particular reason for such large images? I have found > that even smallish (200-400Kb) jpegs give good enough quality when > printed I can't understand the printers demand for minimum 600dpi > (gigabyte sized) images. When I've had the sort of memory problems you > refer to I use !ChangeFSI (or !FSI_Batch) to reduce the size of the > images without any loss of definition. Until the images are in their final form, I prefer to keep them as 1200dpi TIFFs, which makes for a very large OPW document. Ultimately, however, I should be able to reduce the image size. -- Clive Bonsall OPW 2.90 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 29 17:34:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FkkXd-4SQVbs-01-Etu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:34:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FkkXd-4SQVbs-01-Etu; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:24:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FkkXd-4SQVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:24:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FkkXd-0000lq-Bn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:24:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E220F341FF7; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14842-10; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B538341FC8; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3592341FF7 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14777-03 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 27B78342028 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20565 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 16:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.110 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 16:23:44 -0000 Message-ID: <447B202A.3090308@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:24:10 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <+dctLbC2BieEFwcd@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 326 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > > OK, I've tweeked the filter pack so that the TIFF filter does not > complain about tags it does not understand. The new version is available > from > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallFilter.exe That's very helpful. Thanks. > I have investigated, it seems the current versions of OPW are not > flagged as 3GB aware, I will change this. Given the RISC OS experience > it should work with no changes, but I'd really like to test it before > launching it upon the world. > > If you're really keen, you can use > > /LARGEADDRESSAWARE with editbin.exe to set the relevant flag in the OPW > .exe OK, I may give that a whirl. I'll try playing with the VM settings first. -- Clive Bonsall OPW 2.90 C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 29 20:44:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fknep-0iGknw-04-Bmi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:44:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fknep-0iGknw-04-Bmi; Mon, 29 May 2006 19:44:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fknep-0iGknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 19:44:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fknep-0002c2-76 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 May 2006 19:44:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF3DD341DA1; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16246-08; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81AA1341D90; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 May 2006 15:43:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F3C1341DF4 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16047-08 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3761341D96 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-124-102.as15444.net [82.163.124.102]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TJP9xY011867 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:25:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:13:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet Message-ID: <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.021, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Well, not here. It appears in a seperate, floating window. Ideally I'd > > like it to be attached to the right hand side of the editing window, > > at the same z-depth; and move around with the editing window. > I second that. With the Page palette above it. But if the effort needed to do that is a problem, then would it be possible to edit a config file somewhere so they open at the edge of the screen rather than in the middle? John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 31 19:23:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FlVCZ-0nyknw-01-ArY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 May 2006 19:23:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FlVCZ-0nyknw-01-ArY; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FlVCZ-0nyknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FlVCY-0001Ki-VA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 259C1344235; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23893-10; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7F2534422B; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71433441DC for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23815-04 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CCE6344142 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.87) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4473C0B1000BA334 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:13:03 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:54:48 +0200 Message-ID: References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > >> > Well, not here. It appears in a seperate, floating window. Ideally I'd >> > like it to be attached to the right hand side of the editing window, >> > at the same z-depth; and move around with the editing window. > >> I second that. With the Page palette above it. > > But if the effort needed to do that is a problem, then would it be possible > to edit a config file somewhere so they open at the edge of the screen > rather than in the middle? For RiscOS version: load the templates file in a template editor, click on pagepal_m. The Page Pallette window appears on screen. Drag it to the position you want it to open, then resave the templates file. I would be very interested to know if something similar exists for the windows version. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 31 22:03:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FlXhm-3tSVbs-08-Gsr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:03:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FlXhm-3tSVbs-08-Gsr; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:54:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FlXhm-3tSVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:54:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FlXhS-0006mK-JW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:54:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E10E9344E0C; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19608-02; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F86E344DF6; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5815D344CBB for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19176-05 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13288344CAE for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.47) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4473C0B1000BC6DF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:33:15 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:29:50 +0200 Message-ID: <8624d02f4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > >> > Well, not here. It appears in a seperate, floating window. Ideally I'd >> > like it to be attached to the right hand side of the editing window, >> > at the same z-depth; and move around with the editing window. > >> I second that. With the Page palette above it. > > But if the effort needed to do that is a problem, then would it be possible > to edit a config file somewhere so they open at the edge of the screen > rather than in the middle? Follows a corrected version of my earlier reaction: For RiscOS version: load the templates file in a template editor, click on stylepal_m. The Ovation Pro Styles window appears on screen. Drag it to the position you want it to open, then resave the templates file. You can do the same with the Page Palette. I would be very interested to know if something similar exists for the windows version. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 31 22:13:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FlXrD-4HUVbs-02-GjQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:13:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FlXrD-4HUVbs-02-GjQ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:03:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FlXrD-4HUVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:03:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FlXrD-0000gT-5s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:03:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F12C343428; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23454-01-3; 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31 May 2006 22:01:19 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAGedfUSBTIgELA Received: from 88-105-188-99.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.188.99]:10039 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FlXk6-000CSP-AW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:56:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:55:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet Message-ID: <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > I would be very interested to know if something similar exists for the > windows version. > JohnvV Try Resource Hacker. http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/ Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 1 21:55:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Flu7z-3WQ000-02-BVg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FEF6343815 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30813-05-5 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-07.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11AE53439DD for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.153) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4473C16900086F9B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:49:56 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:25:05 +0200 Message-ID: <7a9c1c304e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > >> I would be very interested to know if something similar exists for the >> windows version. > >> JohnvV > > Try Resource Hacker. > http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/ > Thank you. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 2 13:51:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fm7Jn-2cH000-03-FMu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:51:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fm7Jn-2cH000-03-FMu; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fm7Jn-2cH000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:55:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fm7Jm-000067-DT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:55:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5B4C345561; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24192-09; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 735C43455F9; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 06:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E54F1345569 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23915-05 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 836A03455E8 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fm7Iv-0002a3-3k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:54:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:54:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW Message-ID: <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've only just caught up with this thread, so sorry for the delay. Clive Bonsall wrote: > The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK > brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) > ignored". FYI: Tag 700 = XML packet containing XMP metadata. Tag 34665 = A pointer to the Exif IFD. > What causes the warnings -- is this expected behaviour with TIFF files? As David has explained, TIFFs contain tags that allow all sorts of extra data to be included within the file. When programs get a TIFF file to deal with, there will be a certain number of tags that they will recognise and some they won't. How the image/output may be affected by those tags depends on what the tags are. For example, if your TIFF, saved from Photoshop, contains colour profile data, is then processed by an application that ignores that profile then final output when printed may be effected from what you were expecting. > I find I can save the pictures (line art) out of OPW as Draw files and > get round the "warnings" problem, but the files are just as big (if not > bigger) as the original TIFFs. The reason they are bigger than the original TIFFs is that they won't have any LZW compression. Out of interest, you say these pictures are line art - so have they been created at 1bpp colour depth? If not, and they are say at 24bpp, then you have images that are excessive in size for the data they need to contain. The reason I ask, is because of the tag that contains the Exif IFD pointer, which suggests to me that the image may have originated from a 8 or 24bpp JPEG. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 2 14:11:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Fm9Iw-2W2Vbs-05-DNl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:11:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Fm9Iw-2W2Vbs-05-DNl; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:03:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Fm9Iw-2W2Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:03:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Fm9Iv-0002nC-Up for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:03:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D69934558E; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25961-08-3; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DC0F3456A8; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E00A934558E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25627-04 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A2EB3456F7 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Fm9I9-000Awz-A6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:02:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:01:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style Palette Applet References: <515c2e2d4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e2ec17d01john@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e2fd27ae3dfs@ukgateway.net> <7a9c1c304e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <7a9c1c304e.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I keep forgetting to answer this thread. On Windows it is very difficult to avoid the child - parent model of windows. The style palette position relative to the document window is automatically stored. So if you want to position it relative to the document window there's nothing more to do. Changing the position in the "templates" (Reshacker etc) won't have any effect. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 2 21:21:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FmG1x-2wI000-02-FBG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:21:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FmG1x-2wI000-02-FBG; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:14:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FmG1x-2wI000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:14:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FmG1h-0004EZ-7F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:14:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71018346645; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30782-05; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23396346620; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:11:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05226346645 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30572-01 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 45189346664 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20473 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 20:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.110 with plain) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 20:10:33 -0000 Message-ID: <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:11:35 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 334 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Gavin Crawford wrote: > I've only just caught up with this thread, so sorry for the delay. > > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> The first is "unknown field with tag 700 (0x2bc) ignored". Clicking OK >> brings up a second message: "unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) >> ignored". > > FYI: > Tag 700 = XML packet containing XMP metadata. > Tag 34665 = A pointer to the Exif IFD. Thanks for this ... >> What causes the warnings -- is this expected behaviour with TIFF files? > > As David has explained, TIFFs contain tags that allow all sorts of extra > data to be included within the file... [snip] ... and this. > Out of interest, you say these pictures are line art - so have they > been created at 1bpp colour depth? If not, and they are say at 24bpp, > then you have images that are excessive in size for the data they need > to contain. The reason I ask, is because of the tag that contains > the Exif IFD pointer, which suggests to me that the image may have > originated from a 8 or 24bpp JPEG. They are 8bpp grayscale images, scanned at 1200dpi in Photoshop CS2. Interestingly, neither OvPro nor AW2 will import the TIFF files ("File could not be converted") altho' TranTiff+ is installed. They have to be converted to sprite files using DPIngScan, first. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 2 22:41:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FmHKi-0o0knw-02-DsV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:41:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FmHKi-0o0knw-02-DsV; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FmHKi-0o0knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FmHKi-0000bO-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91B3634288B; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16041-04; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4349C344162; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8862D34288B for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15942-03 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 420B8339976 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FmHJu-000ACk-6J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:36:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:35:21 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing TIFFs into OPW References: <4479C619.3080403@ed.ac.uk> <$SGdo5AdodeEFwM5@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4479F744.4010706@ed.ac.uk> <4e30a31f40gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44809B77.3020501@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 335 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Interestingly, neither OvPro nor AW2 will import the TIFF files ("File >could not be converted") altho' TranTiff+ is installed. They have to be >converted to sprite files using DPIngScan, first. That's interesting. After the last burst of upgrading the TIFF code, both RISC OS and Windows, DPScan and TransTIFF I would have expected all versions on all platforms to have the same capabilities. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941